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You Must Leave Now, Take What You Need

by $8 blue check mistermix|  July 6, 20224:47 pm| 157 Comments

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I’m by no means deeply interested in UK politics, but I am getting quite a bit of enjoyment watching the slow, grinding process by which the Tories are scraping the Boris barnacle from their hull. He sure is a tenacious fucker, I’ll give him that. The latest from the Guardian live feed is that the cabinet ministers are in No 10 waiting for him to arrive, that they’ll resign en masse if he doesn’t quit, and that Boris has arrived. Nobody thinks he’s going to last the rest of the day, but I’m sure not betting against him.

Edited to add: Keir Starmer’s remarks at question time this morning, and Boris’ shambolic responses, are worth a watch. (They’re at the top of this story.)

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  1. 1.

    Betty Cracker

    July 6, 2022 at 12:52 pm

    He’s Netanyahu-like, damn it! Maybe today is finally the day…

  2. 2.

    scav

    July 6, 2022 at 12:55 pm

    @Betty Cracker: He was described as Rasputin yesterday.

  3. 3.

    Old School

    July 6, 2022 at 12:58 pm

    If Boris does resign, who takes over?

  4. 4.

    R-Jud

    July 6, 2022 at 12:58 pm

    Imagine having Grant Shapps show up to tell you you’re bad at your job. Imagine.

  5. 5.

    Baud

    July 6, 2022 at 12:59 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    OT. Via reddit.

    Largest teachers union: Florida is 9,000 teachers short for the upcoming school year

  6. 6.

    mistermix

    July 6, 2022 at 1:00 pm

    @Old School: Short-term, don’t know.  Mid-term, I think the Tories need to elect another leader.   I hope it is that insufferable twit Jacob Rees-Mogg.  That would be entertaining, at least.

  7. 7.

    RinaX

    July 6, 2022 at 1:00 pm

    So there’s some sort of sex scandal that’s causing his party to finally turn on him? I’m trying to figure out what brought this on.

  8. 8.

    Spanky

    July 6, 2022 at 1:01 pm

    @Baud: Jesus will provide.

  9. 9.

    germy shoemangler

    July 6, 2022 at 1:02 pm

    @mistermix:

    when I first saw Rees-Mogg a few years ago, I thought he was someone Monty Python cooked up.

  10. 10.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 6, 2022 at 1:02 pm

    Not to nitpick, but is there as reason you moved the comma in front of the word “now?”

  11. 11.

    mistermix

    July 6, 2022 at 1:04 pm

    @RinaX: I’m sure those who follow this stuff can explain it better, but as I understand it a guy called Pincher (“Pincher by name, pincher by nature” according to Boris) groped a young man at a Tory club.  Boris still appointed him to a position despite knowing about it, and his government lied about it.  A lot of his cabinet are shocked, shocked that Boris lied to them about this and are quitting, but the bottom line is that Boris was ready to go.  The Keir Starmer video that I linked in the post pretty much sums it up.

  12. 12.

    R-Jud

    July 6, 2022 at 1:04 pm

    @mistermix: The role of the deputy prime minister is nebulous, as it is with a lot of things pertaining to the UK’s unwritten constitution, but I think he would probably step in during a leadership fight to ensure someone is making decisions at the top.

    Sadly, the current Deputy PM is Dominic Raab.

  13. 13.

    Baud

    July 6, 2022 at 1:05 pm

    @RinaX:

    What brought it on is that Tories were losing elections.

    There’s a lesson in there somewhere.

  14. 14.

    Alison Rose

    July 6, 2022 at 1:05 pm

    @RinaX:

    So there’s some sort of sex scandal that’s causing his party to finally turn on him?

    I initially read this as “turn him on” and I was like, ew.

  15. 15.

    germy shoemangler

    July 6, 2022 at 1:06 pm

    “The public rightly expect government to be conducted properly, competently, and seriously… I believe these standards are worth fighting for, and that is why I am resigning,” Sunak wrote.  “In preparation for our proposed joint speech on the economy next week, it has become clear to me that our approaches are fundamentally too different.”

    “The tone you set as a leader, and the values you represent, reflect on your colleagues, your party, and ultimately the country,” former health minister Sajid Javid said. “I served you loyally as a friend, but we all serve the country first. When made to choose between those loyalties there can be only one answer.”

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boris-johnson-cabinet-resignations-uk-official-accused-sexual-misconduct/

    Country first instead of politics? Sounds like a foreign country.

  16. 16.

    Chief Oshkosh

    July 6, 2022 at 1:08 pm

    ““He is only in power because he has been propped up for months by a corrupted party defending the indefensible,” Starmer said. “Anyone with anything about them would be long gone from his frontbench. In the middle of a crisis, doesn’t the country deserve better than a Z-list cast of nodding dogs?””

    Could be describing TFG from 2016-2020.

  17. 17.

    Ramalama

    July 6, 2022 at 1:09 pm

    Bravo for the title of this post. And also the news explaining some resignation letter from someone over there in the UK that’s been circulating on twitter.

  18. 18.

    mistermix

    July 6, 2022 at 1:09 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Just a typo, fixed.

    @R-Jud: Judging by his cabinet, the Tories have no shortage of second rate imbeciles like Naab.

  19. 19.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 6, 2022 at 1:10 pm

    @germy shoemangler: How not E.M. Forster of Javid.

  20. 20.

    Betty Cracker

    July 6, 2022 at 1:11 pm

    @Baud: Gosh, I wonder why?

  21. 21.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 6, 2022 at 1:11 pm

    @mistermix: Okay, I was trying to parse the meaning of moving the comma.  I was getting nowhere.

  22. 22.

    R-Jud

    July 6, 2022 at 1:15 pm

    @mistermix: Everyone in government right now is a character escaped from rejected drafts of The Thick of It.

  23. 23.

    Baud

    July 6, 2022 at 1:16 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    I guess lots of people wanna say gay.

  24. 24.

    Miss Bianca

    July 6, 2022 at 1:17 pm

    @R-Jud: I don’t know who Grant Shapps is, but his name does have that unfortunate “two pork chops hitting the ground” sound that characterizes Matt Schlapp’s.

    And that can’t portend anything good.

  25. 25.

    Old Man Shadow

    July 6, 2022 at 1:18 pm

    @Baud: Can’t imagine why.

    But I wouldn’t worry. DeSantis will probably sign an order allowing fundie teachers without accreditation or degrees or training to come in and read from the textbook and Bible for $10/hr.

  26. 26.

    germy shoemangler

    July 6, 2022 at 1:18 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I never read him so I’m not getting your reference.

  27. 27.

    germy shoemangler

    July 6, 2022 at 1:18 pm

    @Old Man Shadow:

    Hell, all those new police can do it.  The ones who quit their jobs in other states because they didn’t want no vaccine

  28. 28.

    cope

    July 6, 2022 at 1:19 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I had lunch with two of my teaching buddies yesterday.  Two of us are retired, the young guy is still in the business and only because he works at the county level and not in the classroom any more.  We two retirees opined that, were we not retired (each of us could still be teaching), we would be bailing from the profession, at least here in The Mildew State.

  29. 29.

    Old Man Shadow

    July 6, 2022 at 1:20 pm

    @Old School: “Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the Second is tired of your shit and has decided to lead her government until such time as you all stop sucking.”

  30. 30.

    geg6

    July 6, 2022 at 1:20 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    LOL, I had the same thought.

  31. 31.

    germy shoemangler

    July 6, 2022 at 1:21 pm

    The Queen may primarily identify as a horse girl, but unfortunately she is also the Head of State, and now her country romp is ruined thanks to these bloated idiots. As she sulks on her way to the helipad next to her dresser and confidante Angela Kelly, I have a word of advice for the woman who’s overseen 14 prime ministers’ reigns: chin up, hon. For every Winston Churchill you deal with, you’re going to get a Boris Johnson or two. He may be gone for good at the end of today, but you’ll live forever.

    https://www.gawker.com/politics/another-fucken-crisis-for-the-queen

  32. 32.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 6, 2022 at 1:23 pm

    @germy shoemangler:

      “If I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country.”

    E.M. Forster

  33. 33.

    Redshift

    July 6, 2022 at 1:23 pm

    Tony Jay ranted about the multiple scandals here. (You may want to take the election losses as read and skip down to the Scandal Hits Home and Pinchergate sections.)

  34. 34.

    germy shoemangler

    July 6, 2022 at 1:25 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Ah, I see.

  35. 35.

    Miss Bianca

    July 6, 2022 at 1:26 pm

    @RinaX: It involves boys (or men, I’m using the term “boys” loosely here), so if course *that* shit will not stand.

  36. 36.

    divF

    July 6, 2022 at 1:28 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    I don’t know who Grant Shapps is, but his name does have that unfortunate “two pork chops hitting the ground” sound that characterizes Matt Schlapp’s.

    I’m just imagining what Mad Magazine’s Don Martin could have done with this.

  37. 37.

    Miss Bianca

    July 6, 2022 at 1:29 pm

    @divF: lol, YES!!

  38. 38.

    Redshift

    July 6, 2022 at 1:30 pm

    @mistermix:

    I’m sure those who follow this stuff can explain it better, but as I understand it a guy called Pincher (“Pincher by name, pincher by nature” according to Boris) groped a young man at a Tory club. Boris still appointed him to a position despite knowing about it, and his government lied about it.

    As Tony Jay explained it, appointed him to a position that gave him leverage over Tory MPs, including, you know, a lot of young men.

    So part of this is not just another round of obvious lying, it’s “screw over the country, fine, but screwing us over personally is the last straw.” Plus the growing certainty that they’ll be more likely to stay in power with the same horrible policies and less obviously horrible person as the face of it.

  39. 39.

    kalakal

    July 6, 2022 at 1:30 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Grant Shapps aka Michael Green, Corrine Stockheath, Sebastian Fox  is a spiv who ran a lot of dodgy companies hence the aliases. A quality hire by Johnson

  40. 40.

    Martin

    July 6, 2022 at 1:31 pm

    @Baud: I’m guessing that will get worse as we get closer to the school year. Some of the new district policies I’ve seen are going to cause a lot of teachers to just nope out of that job.

  41. 41.

    kalakal

    July 6, 2022 at 1:32 pm

    Most accurate quote I’ve seen yet

    As Tory MP Alec Shelbrooke came out of the 1922 Committee meeting, he was asked if the prime minister would still be in post by Monday. He replied: “Have you met anyone in the building that thinks that?

  42. 42.

    NotMax

    July 6, 2022 at 1:33 pm

    British schools no longer include lessons about Mr. Profumo and Ms Keeler?

    //

  43. 43.

    Mai Naem mobile

    July 6, 2022 at 1:36 pm

    @mistermix: my niece lives in the UK. I haven’t talked to her about British politics in a while but last year she said Rishi Sunak would be the next Tory candidate. She’s a laborite but she’s met Sunak  at work and is pretty impressed by him.

  44. 44.

    scav

    July 6, 2022 at 1:37 pm

    @Redshift: The Arse Pincher thing also feeds into a general growing scandal about sexual abuse in the Commons as a whole so that’s also hitting a bit closer to home to Tory members (along with the purely Jonhson inspired diminishing odds of being re-elected).

  45. 45.

    Miss Bianca

    July 6, 2022 at 1:37 pm

    @kalakal: OMG, this *is* starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch. All we need is for Spiny Norman to rise up over the roof of Number 10 Downing Street.

  46. 46.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 6, 2022 at 1:43 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Dinsdale!

  47. 47.

    NotMax

    July 6, 2022 at 1:45 pm

    ‘@kalakal

    Ever heard of Michael Green?
    Corrine Stockheath?
    Sebastian Fox?
    Grant Shapps?
    How about Betty Jo Bialosky?
    :)

  48. 48.

    oatler

    July 6, 2022 at 1:45 pm

    @divF:

    Katoonga!

  49. 49.

    Danielx

    July 6, 2022 at 1:46 pm

    @mistermix:

    If ever there was a name straight from a Monty Python movie…

  50. 50.

    Miss Bianca

    July 6, 2022 at 1:48 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: seriously, tho! This character sounds like a missing Piranha Brother. Or several of them, come to that.

  51. 51.

    kalakal

    July 6, 2022 at 1:57 pm

    Well for many years Private Eye has called Johnson ‘Boris the Jackal’ after he was recorded on tape telling a chum that he could arrange to get a pesky journalists legs broken to stop an investigation.

    An old chum called Darius Guppy ( I’m not making this up) had turned to insurance fraud after running through mummy and daddy’s money and asked Johnson for help

    How johnson avoided prison is a disgrace

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darius_Guppy

  52. 52.

    NotMax

    July 6, 2022 at 1:58 pm

    ‘@Danielx

    Has always sounded like a decidedly minor entity from Lovecraft to these ears.

  53. 53.

    Anotherlurker

    July 6, 2022 at 1:59 pm

    @NotMax: You mean Audrey Farber?

  54. 54.

    M31

    July 6, 2022 at 2:00 pm

    @divF: I’m just imagining what Mad Magazine’s Don Martin could have done with this.

    a crooked finger on a teacup but it turns out to be a toe?

  55. 55.

    JGreen

    July 6, 2022 at 2:01 pm

    I’ve mentioned this before, but a real good source of info on the doings of Boris Johnson and his bunch while waiting for the next masterpiece by Tony Jay is A Different Bias on YouTube. Phil Moorhouse does a daily video about 10-15 minutes long on the latest doings in UK politics and it’s always very informative as well as amusing, His view is very similar to Tony’s; he’s just not as creative with the wordplay.

    From what I gather, it’s not just the scandal with Pincher that’s bringing Flobalob (h/t Tony Jay) down. The Pincher scandal is just the culmination of an enormous list of scandals, particularly ones connected with parties the Tories and Johnson were having while the UK was in strict lockdown because of COVID. People couldn’t see dying relatives because there were supposed to be no gatherings, but Johnson ignored it and then lied about like he lies about everything (sound familiar?)

    Phil Moorhouse’s point is that Johnson’s only value to the Tories is as a campaigner–he doesn’t really want to govern and is lazy and dishonest. But he did lead them to major gains in Parliament in 2019. Now, he’s a liability as was shown in recent by-elections which Tony described recently, so now they want him gone and they’re going to push him out somehow. He won’t resign, so they have to find some other way.

    Really–check out A Different Bias. You may have to spend some time catching up on past videos, but it’s well worth it if you want to know what’s going on. He’s also really good about the mess that Brexit is causing.

  56. 56.

    R-Jud

    July 6, 2022 at 2:01 pm

    @NotMax:  I am pretty sure JRM retires to the Upside-Down via a haunted mirror every night.

  57. 57.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 2:11 pm

    @R-Jud:

    That’s just what he wants you to think.

    In reality he’s a beer-swilling former welder from Glasgow called Jimmy ‘The Pipe’ McTaggert who started popping down to London once a week in the mid-80s  to pick up consignments of uncut heroin and, one day, decided to kill time with a spot of Edwardian Cosplay.

    It all just got a wee bit out of hand.

  58. 58.

    Fair Economist

    July 6, 2022 at 2:13 pm

    I’m not so eager to have Boris gone because the Tories will appoint somebody at least as bad but the media will jump to fluffing them for “turning the Tories around”.

    And in the tinfoil hat department, I wonder if the Russians and their money are helping push this.

  59. 59.

    MisterForkbeard

    July 6, 2022 at 2:16 pm

    I think Boris learned the Trump lesson really well: just refuse to leave or apologize and keep going and the media will decide it’s normal and acceptable. Because if it was really bad, he’d leave… right?

  60. 60.

    Tom Levenson

    July 6, 2022 at 2:23 pm

    @Tony Jay:  Given the verisimilitude with which our Glaswegian pipe fitter inhabits the Rees-Mogg persona, I suspect the heroin he was muleing was very far from uncut. Stepped on like a centipede stomps a leaf.

  61. 61.

    R-Jud

    July 6, 2022 at 2:24 pm

    @Tony Jay:  That explains the names he’s given his children, then.

  62. 62.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 6, 2022 at 2:26 pm

    @Tom Levenson: He’s very Method.

  63. 63.

    phdesmond

    July 6, 2022 at 2:28 pm

    at 2:40 in that video from Prime Minister’s Questions, the speaker dropped the phrase “a zed-list cast of nodding dogs”  i had to screech to a halt and google in order to grasp the meaning.

  64. 64.

    evodevo

    July 6, 2022 at 2:28 pm

    @germy shoemangler: ​
      You should watch Tracy Ullmann’s take on him – hilarious, but true to form

  65. 65.

    sab

    July 6, 2022 at 2:37 pm

    @Baud: It has been more than half a century since I was a student in Florida, but back then a lot of our best teachers were retirees from other states who already had pensions. So quitting would be easy. They mostly kept teaching because they loved it. Current Florida policies would take a lot of the joy out of teaching.

  66. 66.

    kalakal

    July 6, 2022 at 2:40 pm

    Boris Johnson’s success is all Angus Deaton’s fault.

    Deaton was a successful comic and actor who hosted ‘Have I got News for You’ , a satirical comedy show. In 2002 the tabloids monstered him in a cocaine and call girls scandal. Despite the public supporting him he was dropped and the program had a series of guest hosts. Johnson did his scatterbrained ‘Gosh!Crikey’ animated haystack schtick and became probably the best known politician in the country. Also a lot of people liked him because he made them laugh.

    The MSM have provided cover and boost ever since.

  67. 67.

    karensky

    July 6, 2022 at 2:41 pm

    @mistermix: Thanks for the Guardian video.  I realized halfway through that I was watching it with my mouth wide open.  Great theater.

  68. 68.

    realbtl

    July 6, 2022 at 2:52 pm

    Will Florida refuse to hire a teacher with the same last name as Marvin Gaye?  Could be tricky.

  69. 69.

    CaseyL

    July 6, 2022 at 2:56 pm

    Well.  Johnson is refusing to resign and if they push him, says he will go to the Queen and ask for an early election.

    Definitely Trumpian.

  70. 70.

    sdhays

    July 6, 2022 at 3:03 pm

    @CaseyL: LOL. The Leopard is eating his party’s face!

  71. 71.

    Miss Bianca

    July 6, 2022 at 3:04 pm

    @CaseyL: It really seems like shamelessness has become a hallmark of modern conservatism. What once would have sunk a politician or other public figure beyond recall is now met with either a “meh” or a “whatcha gonna do about it…punk?” from the figures in question. And also from their voters.

  72. 72.

    PaulB

    July 6, 2022 at 3:05 pm

    While I’m delighted to hear about Johnson’s troubles and the likelihood of his being forced out, I’m not sure it will make all that much difference. My understanding of UK politics is limited but I can’t help thinking that, like Trump, the problem is not just with the man, it’s with the party.

    Until this latest kerfuffle, the UK media haven’t been very aggressive about documenting Johnson’s personal failings and have been doing even less with respect to the Tory party’s abhorrent policies. Until and unless that changes, I’m skeptical that real change is coming. You’d need the media to step and the public to wake up. Any signs of that happening?

  73. 73.

    NotMax

    July 6, 2022 at 3:06 pm

    ‘@CaseyL

    and ask for an early election

    “How does Your Majesty feel about next Wednesday?”

    //

  74. 74.

    CaseyL

    July 6, 2022 at 3:06 pm

    @sdhays:  @Miss Bianca:

    I think he’s down to three or four Cabinet Ministers at this point.

    Any minute now, he’s gonna go to some posh neighborhood and stroll the street, asking random people if they want to be a Minister.

    ETA:  And to @PaulB: ‘s point, if Johnson does brazen it out, how much you want to bet the Tories will fall silent, and the UK media will worship him for it?

  75. 75.

    trollhattan

    July 6, 2022 at 3:09 pm

    Young Boris and young Donny were half a degree apart, if that. From a teacher at Eton:

    In the letter, obtained by author Andrew Gimsom, Mr Hammond said: “Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies.

    “[He] sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the school for the next half).

    “I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation that binds everyone else.”

  76. 76.

    Baud

    July 6, 2022 at 3:10 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

     It really seems like shamelessness has become a hallmark of modern conservatism

     
    The hallmark of modern conservativism is daring people to vote for the opposition party. They know that most people in the middle think they’re tough but actually are quite afraid.

  77. 77.

    karen marie

    July 6, 2022 at 3:11 pm

    @germy shoemangler:   You’re not that gullible, right?

  78. 78.

    NotMax

    July 6, 2022 at 3:12 pm

    Wondering what odds the bookmakers are giving on Boris becoming the next steward of the Chiltern Hundreds?

  79. 79.

    patrick II

    July 6, 2022 at 3:17 pm

    Boris is terrible in most ways — but he has been a leader in the war in Ukraine.  He was the first foreign head-of-state to visit Kyiv and has been aggressive in sending British weaponry.  Does anyone know what will happen when he is gone?  Do these policies run deep in the Torie government?

  80. 80.

    Ken

    July 6, 2022 at 3:18 pm

    @CaseyL: Johnson is refusing to resign and if they push him, says he will go to the Queen and ask for an early election.

    What are her options if that happens?  I suppose having him beheaded is off the table.

    I see her reserve powers include refusing to dissolve Parliament, dismissing a Prime Minister, and appointing a PM of her choosing. So I suppose she could say “No, We would prefer to try forming a new Government, and We will be asking Sir Ed Davey and Nicola Sturgeon to try to assemble a coalition….”

  81. 81.

    CaseyL

    July 6, 2022 at 3:22 pm

    God damn.  Now one Minister who was pushing Johnson to resign has shifted sides and is OK with him staying

    ETA: Zahawi and Patel sticking with him.

  82. 82.

    Baud

    July 6, 2022 at 3:25 pm

    @Ken:

    What are her options if that happens?  I suppose having him beheaded is off the table.

     
    The Queen is feckless. We need her to lead!

  83. 83.

    Ksmiami

    July 6, 2022 at 3:25 pm

    @Miss Bianca: I was thinking more Benny Hill

  84. 84.

    NotMax

    July 6, 2022 at 3:26 pm

    ‘@CaseyL

    “Why not support Sunak?”

    “Too Vulcan.”

    //

  85. 85.

    The Moar You Know

    July 6, 2022 at 3:28 pm

    Well.  Looks like Johnson is going to call everyone’s bluff and it looks like enough of them are gonna fold, mostly so as to keep their jobs.  That’s really too fucking bad.  I want that asshole gone.

    This is why government by cowards doesn’t work.  See also, United States, 2016-2020

  86. 86.

    scav

    July 6, 2022 at 3:29 pm

    He’s got a solid case of Après moi, la déluge going, plus an infestation of believing he has the mandate of heaven.  He may very well be loving this stage of All the cameras on HIM more than the actual daily grind of actually prime ministering.

  87. 87.

    NotMax

    July 6, 2022 at 3:33 pm

    ‘@CaseyL

    Zahawi and Patel</blockquote.

    Sounds like one of those old school concerns.

    "Provisioners to the Crown of chutney since 1857."

    //

  88. 88.

    Feathers

    July 6, 2022 at 3:34 pm

    A reminder that the Prince of Wales accepted a suitcase with 1 million Euros in cash from Qatar’s Prime Minister.

    Seems to fit right in with the government. Going to be very interesting once the Queen is gone.

  89. 89.

    Baud

    July 6, 2022 at 3:35 pm

    @Feathers:

    Who does Prince Charles think he is? Jared Kushner?

  90. 90.

    RaflW

    July 6, 2022 at 3:39 pm

    If we had a functioning press corps here, this would be the news peg upon which to hang a review/refresh of Trump Admin dalliances with the Russians. Alas.

    @ShehabKhan ITV
    This is mental – floodgates are open I guess – Boris Johnson admits he “probably did” meet Alexander Lebedev in Italy when he was Foreign Sec.

  91. 91.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 3:41 pm

    Ha, why do I have to be such a busy bee tonight? I should be basking in this joyful chaos, instead I have to nip in and out whenever I get the chance like a bee sipping nectar from a particularly lovely flower.

    Anyway, quick take.

    Given that Flobalob has stuck his lip out and refused to let anyone else play with his toys…

    And given that he more or less threatened to call a General Election if MPs insisted on frustrating his popular mandate…

    And given that some of the ministers who were amongst the Get Out delegation are now saying they’ll stay in post…

    And given that his line of argument is that he wants to stay on, not out of personal ambition, but because without him the Tories will be forced to call an autumn/winter election – that they will lose…

    And given that the Brextremists are about to launch a takeover of the 1922 Committee and force a new leadership vote…

    I think he’s either trying to squeeze the maximum payoff for him going quietly (cash, shares, guaranteed House of Lords seat, basically a gold plated retirement package) or he’s laying the groundwork for calling a General Election to ‘protect’ the Tory Party from making a catastrophic mistake by defenestrating the man who won them 14 million votes and saved the country from Corbynism.

    Ah, it’s a saga now.

  92. 92.

    NotMax

    July 6, 2022 at 3:42 pm

    ‘@Feathers

    “Euros? What the bloody hell are we supposed to do with those?”

    //

  93. 93.

    Miss Bianca

    July 6, 2022 at 3:44 pm

    @patrick II: Yeah, bad as BoJo has been, his one redeeming facet, far as I’m concerned, has been his support for Ukraine. Maybe it was all based on a cynical bid for kudos. But then again…maybe not. And maybe the next PM will be worse on that issue. That’s my fear.

  94. 94.

    Birdie

    July 6, 2022 at 3:46 pm

    @Fair Economist: Ha, I was wondering the same thing and worried that I was becoming a conspiracy theorist.

  95. 95.

    Timill

    July 6, 2022 at 3:50 pm

    The game must be up now: https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1544370237432381441

  96. 96.

    CaseyL

    July 6, 2022 at 3:52 pm

    Johnson is going to stay in power, the Ministers who quit will come crawling back, Tories demanding his ouster will fold, and the news will be all about Johnson’s strength of will. (Nothing at all about why people wanted him out; nothing about the unending series of scandals…)

    Holy shittakes.

  97. 97.

    Alison Rose

    July 6, 2022 at 3:53 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Even if it was a PR thing, to me that doesn’t matter–help is still help no matter the motivation. It’s like when corporations plant trees or something and people are like IT’S ONLY SO THEY LOOK GOOD but like…trees still got planted, you know?

    I don’t know enough about UK politics to comment on anything else regarding Johnson’s work, but like you say, on Ukraine he has been a real leader and to me at least, it seems to be genuine.

  98. 98.

    Kropacetic

    July 6, 2022 at 4:01 pm

    @Baud: Florida is 9,000 teachers short for the upcoming school year

    But Florida has been nurturing such a positive environment for teachers to work in…

  99. 99.

    trollhattan

    July 6, 2022 at 4:02 pm

    @Tony Jay:

    To think it’s just lunchtime here. He’s dug in those bespoke heels.

    ITV’s deputy political editor Anushka Asthana tweets that she’s been told the PM is “absolutely defiant and is not going to resign”.
    “Sources tell me he told Cabinet colleagues that it was a choice between summer focused on economic growth or chaos of a leadership contest – followed by massive pressure for general election,” she writes.
    Asthana says she’s been told the PM put his 14 million votes at the last general election on the table – and that those around him “think they will lose a couple more from cabinet but not all”.

    Fourteen million, or about half of a Florida. Good luck, UK.

  100. 100.

    trollhattan

    July 6, 2022 at 4:03 pm

    @Kropacetic:

    Critical race theory (whatever that is): out, armed teachers: in.

    “We’re also welding shut all but one door.”

  101. 101.

    kalakal

    July 6, 2022 at 4:05 pm

    The European Press has some choice phrasing regarding Johnson’s travails

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/06/boris-johnson-european-media-react-ship-of-fools?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

  102. 102.

    Msb

    July 6, 2022 at 4:10 pm

    Johnson is trying the old Nixon line – I could leave but I have to do the harder thing and stay, so as not to deprive the country of my wonderfulness.

    His Cabinet – what Starmer called “the charge of the lightweight brigade” – may stick by him because they know they’d never be ministers in any other Tory government. BUT, nobody is more ruthless than the Tory Party in dispatching a leader past their sell-by date. This is likely to get equally nasty and entertaining. The only certainty is that Johnson won’t go voluntarily. Like trump, he’ll need to be dragged out, kicking and screaming. But sufficiently scared Tories will be willing to do the dragging.

  103. 103.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 4:13 pm

    ETA – He doesn’t give a fuck about Ukraine, any more than he gives a fuck about Britain. He was in very hot water for being a bought and paid for tool of Russian oligarchs when the invasion started and questions were starting to be asked about Russian state interference in UK elections and referendums, including Brexit, so painting himself as The Leader of The Free World where Ukraine was concerned (it’s not his money he’s throwing at it) was purely a cynical PR move. Nothing more, nothing less.

    And just to be clear, I don’t expect him to actually lead the Tories into a General Election as much as I expect him to ramp up the threat of calling one to frighten those who want him out into backing off (maybe, worth a shot) and, if they don’t back off, to threaten to actually do it as a parting fuck-you to the Party that dared to betray him unless they show him the money.

    Yes, this would lead to a Constitutional crisis (does an outgoing PM who doesn’t command the support of his own MPs have the authority to call an Election?) but it serves them right for defying the World King, doesn’t it?

  104. 104.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 4:18 pm

    ETA – He doesn’t give a fuck about Ukraine, any more than he gives a fuck about Britain. He was in very hot water for being a bought and paid for tool of Russian oligarchs when the invasion started and questions were starting to be asked about Russian state interference in UK elections and referendums, including Brexit, so painting himself as The Leader of The Free World where Ukraine was concerned (it’s not his money he’s throwing at it) was purely a cynical PR move. Nothing more, nothing less.

    And just to be clear, I don’t expect him to actually lead the Tories into a General Election as much as I expect him to ramp up the threat of calling one to frighten those who want him out into backing off (maybe, worth a shot) and, if they don’t back off, to threaten to actually do it as a parting fuck-you to the Party that dared to betray him unless they show him the money.

    Yes, this would lead to a Constitutional crisis (does an outgoing PM who doesn’t command the support of his own MPs have the authority to call an Election?) but it serves them right for defying the World King, doesn’t it?

  105. 105.

    trollhattan

    July 6, 2022 at 4:18 pm

    @kalakal: Heh, I’m not used to Germans having such skewering turns of phrase, but Der Spiegel brings the heat.

    In Germany, Der Spiegel writes that Johnson “obviously failed to see the calamity that had been building for the past few days. But why would he have done? Compared to the populistic and perfidious rack and ruin of the past three Johnson years, the latest scandal … was almost pardonable. Nothing more than a pale comet’s tail in the cosmos of lies of Boris Johnson”.
    Of the case of Christopher Pincher, the deputy chief whip who was appointed by Johnson despite the prime minister having known of past complaints about his alleged sexual behaviour, Der Spiegel writes: “The Pincher case, as the two resignation letters reveal, just happened to be the last drop in a bucket full to the brim of stinking pigswill at the door of the office of the British premier.”

    “Cosmos of lies” “stinking pigswill” don’t hold back now.

  106. 106.

    Gin & Tonic

    July 6, 2022 at 4:18 pm

    Boy, today’s Wordle sucked donkey balls. Got it in 6, but it pissed me right off.

  107. 107.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 4:20 pm

    @trollhattan:

    I like the cut of Der Jib

    Oh, and he’s just sacked Michael Gove, which is basically sticking two fingers up to Murdoch.

    Christ, the tell-all books coming out of this are going to be luminescent.

  108. 108.

    Gin & Tonic

    July 6, 2022 at 4:21 pm

    @Tony Jay: Like I said, I don’t give a shit why he did it, but the weapons systems Ukraine is getting are damn good.

  109. 109.

    Kropacetic

    July 6, 2022 at 4:23 pm

    @trollhattan: Critical race theory (whatever that is): out, armed teachers: in.

    “We’re also welding shut all but one door.”

    It disgusts me how they’re refusing to educate or protect children. “Pro-life party” my Granny’s wrinkly booty.

  110. 110.

    karen marie

    July 6, 2022 at 4:27 pm

    @kalakal:  I remember when Johnson was elected mayor of London.  He was lauded as being a “man of the people.”  How did that happen?

  111. 111.

    CaseyL

    July 6, 2022 at 4:28 pm

    @Tony Jay:  Things have simply gone insane over there. I guess Johnson thinks if he spills enough blood, he’ll cow the rest – and considering the dubious quality of persons he brought in, that’s not a bad bet.

  112. 112.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 4:28 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Perfectly fine. I wouldn’t expect you or any Ukrainian to care about the why of it. That’s not why I’m saying it.

    But credit, he deserves none. He’s just buying good press and PR. If they weren’t on the table he’d be as disinterested as he was back when Putin first invaded.

  113. 113.

    germy shoemangler

    July 6, 2022 at 4:29 pm

    The Queen knew. #BorisTheLiar pic.twitter.com/P9ITP3b5oS

    — T☕m Chitty™ (@tomchitty) January 11, 2022

  114. 114.

    Kropacetic

    July 6, 2022 at 4:29 pm

    @karen marie: I remember when Johnson was elected mayor of London.  He was lauded as being a “man of the people.”  How did that happen?

    I suspect not by doing anything to help the people, but rather being “relatable.”

    I could see myself having a beer with that tosspot.

  115. 115.

    karen marie

    July 6, 2022 at 4:30 pm

    @patrick II:   How soon we forget.  Johnson visited Ukraine because he was in the middle of the uproar over COVID parties. He supports Ukraine solely because it is useful to him to do so.

    @Baud:  The Queen has cut back her “official duties” significantly because she’s – apparently – in increasingly frail health.

  116. 116.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 4:31 pm

    @CaseyL:

    It’s gone too far now. Too many resignations, too few loyal sycophants. He’s got a gun to the Party’s head and a list of demands, and if they’re not met, he’ll pull the trigger without a second thought.

  117. 117.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 6, 2022 at 4:32 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Got it in 5 but agree with the assessment. That was a difficult word.

  118. 118.

    MattF

    July 6, 2022 at 4:33 pm

    I just can’t get over the fact that sexual predator at the root of the current scandal is named ‘Pincher’.

  119. 119.

    kalakal

    July 6, 2022 at 4:35 pm

    @Tony Jay: Sacking Gove is the political equivalent of cutting his own throat. Gove is an ambulant pile of spittle but his Big Bad Uncle Ruperts ambulant pile of spittle

  120. 120.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 6, 2022 at 4:35 pm

    @Tony Jay: He’ll survive the day by continuing to be Boris.  Will it get him past the weekend?

  121. 121.

    Betty Cracker

    July 6, 2022 at 4:36 pm

    @trollhattan: Who do they think they are, Tony Jay?

  122. 122.

    CaseyL

    July 6, 2022 at 4:37 pm

    @Tony Jay: But they’re all courtiers, with no motivation other than personal advancement.  I see them as similar to the GOPers who once opposed DJT, then became his most slavish sycophants: they will eat any number of shit sandwiches, to keep their jobs.

    The Ministers only resigned because they believed he’d have no choice but to quit if enough of them did.  Any sane person would have thought the same.

    But they’re dealing with a solipsistic narcissist (if that isn’t a redundancy) who believes he can weather this storm simply by staying put.

    Maybe he can.

  123. 123.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 4:44 pm

    @karen marie:

    The UK Media.

    He was and is entirely a product of friendly Media promotion and the kind of reputational protection usually afforded only to the very rich or the very well-connected to ninja assassins.

    People ‘like’ him because they’ve been told for decades that ‘everyone loves Boris’ and only prudes, bores and Lefty moaners don’t find his antics funny. And when the shit he pulls can’t be massaged into a feel-good tale of cheeky rascaldom, they simply don’t report on it.

    That’s why the Tories picked him in 2019. They wanted the cover of his Media love-affair and the electability that came with it.

    They’ll never admit it though.

  124. 124.

    kalakal

    July 6, 2022 at 4:47 pm

    @Tony Jay: exactly. That and the media hated Angus Deaton

  125. 125.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 6, 2022 at 4:50 pm

    @mistermix: You meant “that insufferable twit Jerkoff Grease-Smogg,” dincha?

  126. 126.

    Chief Oshkosh

    July 6, 2022 at 4:55 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Sluff the fluff over the bluff?

  127. 127.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 5:06 pm

    @kalakal:

    It’s always been bizarre. Deaton, a TV funnyman, sacked and disgraced for the kind of sex and drugs exposé that simply wouldn’t happen in Flobby World. Not that he wouldn’t do those kind of things, even boast about them with a faked stutter and and a smirk towards the camera, but it simply wouldn’t be allowed to become a problem for him.

    Decades of having every problem dealt with by someone else, every fuck-up massaged into a laddish legend, I’m not surprised he thinks he’s the King of the World. The fucking Media crowned him as that a long time ago, he’s just come to expect it as his just rewards for being The Product.

    Getting rid of Gove is part of that. He’s Murdoch’s man, the perennial figure that’s always there on the group photograph no matter what. Booting him is a story, an event, a shocking and unexpected twist that gets you to carry on reading this real-life potboiler regardless of what you think of the plot or the characters.

    The News Media are practically wetting themselves. They just don’t want this to end. This is what they created him for, for moments like this. The drama!

    Also, I’ll just add, Sajid Javid simply can’t pull off a Geoffrey Howe moment. He looks like a Sontaran and sounds like Richard Ayowade.

  128. 128.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    July 6, 2022 at 5:07 pm

    I recall an explainer somewhere that when it comes to the British government, “theoretically, the Crown gets a veto; realistically, the Crown gets one veto” (i.e. if the Queen overrides the Government once, the laws will be changed so no monarch can ever do it again).

    Those of you who know the quirks of governance in Sunny Brexitlandia, how accurate is that? (Charles Stross keeps insisting that if QE2 didn’t invoke her veto over losing India, nothing else would come close to that threshold…)

  129. 129.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 5:08 pm

    @CaseyL:

    The Media would love this to continue, but it can’t. In the cold light of day, when the thrill of the drama has worn off and everyone has to make their sandwiches for another day of real life, it will sink in.

    He has no Government left. It’s over.

  130. 130.

    Ben Cisco

    July 6, 2022 at 5:12 pm

    @Tony Jay: 

    He looks like a Sontaran and sounds like Richard Ayowade.

    “COMPUTER! You Have Failed In Your Mission!”

  131. 131.

    MattF

    July 6, 2022 at 5:17 pm

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR: There’s a fairly specific set of conditions for Elizabeth Windsor to get involved. And she probably doesn’t want to.

  132. 132.

    Kropacetic

    July 6, 2022 at 5:19 pm

    @Tony Jay: It’s always been bizarre. Deaton, a TV funnyman, sacked and disgraced for the kind of sex and drugs exposé that simply wouldn’t happen in Flobby World. Not that he wouldn’t do those kind of things, even boast about them with a faked stutter and and a smirk towards the camera, but it simply wouldn’t be allowed to become a problem for him.

    I may need to look into this. I take occasional interest in sex scandals because of the occasional sex scandal that shouldn’t be a scandal.

  133. 133.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 5:22 pm

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR:

    It was all decided a long time ago. Parliament acknowledged that the Crown could have Absolute Power… as long as only Parliament could wield that power in the Monarch’s name. They got lives of luxury and privilege, the protection of secret deals to preserve them from having to obey the common people’s laws, and in return all they had to do was keep their mouths shut about politics and sign whatever was put in front of them.

    No monarch is ever going to fuck with that deal.

  134. 134.

    CaseyL

    July 6, 2022 at 5:22 pm

    @Tony Jay: What are his chances for cobbling together a new Cabinet?  I mean, there are plenty of conscienceless ambitious sprats available, and they don’t even have to know anything about anything, just be willing to show up at meetings!

  135. 135.

    Ruckus

    July 6, 2022 at 5:23 pm

    @germy shoemangler:

    As it turns out Monty Python wasn’t comedy, it was biographical. Well delivered, in a humorous manner, but it wasn’t comedy.

  136. 136.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 5:24 pm

    @Ben Cisco:

    “Have you tried turning it off and on again?”

  137. 137.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 5:30 pm

    @Kropacetic:

    I think it was hookers and blow. Early to mid 90s. It was a strangely puritanical time in some respects, especially when the tabloids decided you’d got too big for your boots.

    @CaseyL:

    Apparently the whips went around today asking who fancied taking advantage of these unexpected career opportunities and the response they received was, to say the least, muted. Basically a series of straight Nos followed by stronger words.

    They’d already scraped the barrel. Who in their right minds is going to want to strap themselves to this concrete-booted corpse when it’s already half submerged by the oily waters of Dead Man’s Cove?

  138. 138.

    Kropacetic

    July 6, 2022 at 5:34 pm

    @Tony Jay: I think it was hookers and blow.

    To my mind, perfectly acceptable behavior. Unless you’re both in the position of enforcing laws against such things and advocating for such laws to remain in place, see Elliot Spitzer.

  139. 139.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 5:43 pm

    @Kropacetic:

    Britain’s Media. It’s hypocrites all the way down.

  140. 140.

    Doug R

    July 6, 2022 at 5:45 pm

    @germy shoemangler:

     

    Hell, all those new police can do it. The ones who quit their jobs in other states because they didn’t want no vaccine

    You mean the ones that haven’t dropped dead from COVID:
    Washington State Patrol trooper who told Gov. Inslee to ‘kiss my ass’ over vaccine mandate dies of COVID

  141. 141.

    bjacques

    July 6, 2022 at 5:45 pm

    @Tony Jay: if the Saj looks like a Sontaran, Sunak looks like the Grand Serpent (who was also a bad ‘un in Line Of Duty).

  142. 142.

    mozzerb

    July 6, 2022 at 5:46 pm

    @Kropacetic: the problem for Angus Deayton (a founder member of the Peter Strzok Society for the Frequently Misspelt) was that as the host of HIGNFY, his schtick basically consisted of drily skewering politicians and celebs for bad behaviour. Once he was revealed to be doing exactly the same things himself, he looked ridiculous and his position as host became untenable.

    He did actually just about survive the first round of stories with a grovelling apology, but of course the tabloids had kept some back and that was that.

  143. 143.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 6, 2022 at 5:46 pm

    @Tony Jay: that’s the problem. Should have done something more high end, such as escorts and cocaine.

  144. 144.

    Doug R

    July 6, 2022 at 5:51 pm

    @phdesmond:

     

    at 2:40 in that video from Prime Minister’s Questions, the speaker dropped the phrase “a zed-list cast of nodding dogs” i had to screech to a halt and google in order to grasp the meaning.

    “Zed” is just the old tymey way of saying “Z”.
    Just picture Kathy Griffin’s Life on the D List and project from there.

  145. 145.

    Baud

    July 6, 2022 at 5:51 pm

    @Tony Jay:

    I’m told the preferred term is sex workers.

  146. 146.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 5:54 pm

    @bjacques:

    It’s true. We’ve basically got a Government of crappy Dr Who villains topped up by all of the Slitheen.

  147. 147.

    Ben Cisco

    July 6, 2022 at 5:55 pm

    @Tony Jay: Loved that show!!

  148. 148.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 5:56 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I was attempting le patois américain.

    We’d just say “It was a Tuesday”

  149. 149.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 5:57 pm

    @Baud:

    Are they Unionised?

  150. 150.

    GoBlueInOak

    July 6, 2022 at 5:57 pm

    @mistermix:  More likely will be one from among Rishi Sunak (former chancellor of the exchequer), Penny Mordaunt (former defense minister, then trade minister, and a Naval reservist), or Sajid Javid (health secretary, former chancellor of the exchequer, former home secretary) or Liz Truss (foreign secretary).

    There’s also couple of dudebros lurking in wings who have kept their heads down through all this as well, but seems those first four would, to various degrees, mark clearer breaks from BoJo.

    Personally, if BoJo successfully pushed out, I’d bet a “sober, clean break” type succeeds him & rights things with the public, and Keir Starmer winds up holding the boobie prize again.

  151. 151.

    Kropacetic

    July 6, 2022 at 5:58 pm

    @mozzerb: (a founder member of the Peter Strzok Society for the Frequently Misspelt)

    Strzok me, Strzok me…Strzok…Strzok…

    As far as the behavior; one could argue continuing to criminalize adult decisions concerning their own bodies; in this case cocaine and sex work, but not limited to that; deserves ridicule.

  152. 152.

    GoBlueInOak

    July 6, 2022 at 5:59 pm

    @Tony Jay: Oh god.  Now I can’t unsee Sajid as a Sontaran.  Like, completely cannot unsee it.

  153. 153.

    Librarian

    July 6, 2022 at 6:02 pm

    is the title a Dylan reference?

  154. 154.

    Tony Jay

    July 6, 2022 at 6:03 pm

    @GoBlueInOak:

    “I hope someday to meet you in glory of battle where I will crush the life from your worthless human form. Try and get some rest.”

    I love Strax.

  155. 155.

    kalakal

    July 6, 2022 at 6:19 pm

    The soundtrack to this should be Mambo No 5 using the resignees names

  156. 156.

    RaflW

    July 6, 2022 at 6:28 pm

    @The Moar You Know: See also Republicans 2008-present.

  157. 157.

    brantl

    July 6, 2022 at 8:56 pm

    @NotMax: I thought that was Betty Jo Bialoffsky

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