Now doing business as ‘The 1776 Restoration Movement‘!
(I’m writing this in the wee hours, so it may be outdated by the time you read it, but IMO still risible.)
So, they had a busy holiday…
F*cked around, finding out:
D.C. Metropolitan Police also impounded Riddell’s black big rig. https://t.co/4MC0R9q23m
— Zachary Petrizzo (@ZTPetrizzo) July 6, 2022
12:55pm- I'm back after a fantastic lunch break, it doesn't seem like I've missed much. I tuned back in just in time to hear a bunch of the #1776RM crew scream "freedom" & chant USA. The WaPo has an article out about the protest & Riddell's arrest. 28 of n https://t.co/4YPt5XlVzy
— QRR (@QRemedyResearch) July 6, 2022
The 1776 Restoration Movement is a splinter movement formed after the People's Convoy ended in May. TPC would never have gotten off the ground without the support of anti-vaxx orgs based in California. See @NarcTranslator's feed for more details. 40 of n https://t.co/0BJzsil9IX
— QRR (@QRemedyResearch) July 6, 2022
The Moar You Know
A “precipitating event” in the battle between good and evil?
Truth is nobody gives a shit about them.
People posting on the twitter is the most publicity they will ever get.
Parfigliano
Seriously other then govt programs (they hate em) how do these unemployed scum survive?
Paul in KY
Some people live such sad & aimless lives that they feel compelled to do stupid & antisocial shit just to tamp down the voice in their head that tells them the truth: That they are a worthless POS. Mr. Riddell is probably one such person.
Glad he was arrested. Hope his very few deluded minions can do something productive with their sad lives.
Benw
Obligatory
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lqYTX7parRw
Just One More Canuck
On the other side of the pond, the Benny Hill theme is playing outside Parliament while some spokesman is rattling on. Apparently set up by Hugh Grant (or Tony Jay, but they could be the same)
Baud
This is the first I’ve heard of it.
Good.
Spanky
@Just One More Canuck: For real? Yakety Sax?
Awesome.
brantl
Nelson Munse Laugh for his truck getting impounded.
Mike in NC
“The People’s Convoy” name sounded a tad Communist, so it had to go.
Most people probably forgot about the “1776 Project” in the dying days of the Trump maladministration, which was basically an attempt to throw together a white supremacist manifesto. Being another rancid Trump product (Trump Vodka, Trump Steaks, Trump University, etc.) meant it was destined to fail.
This country seems to have a surplus of fat, hairy white men. They’d tell us what they’re angry about but even they don’t really know.
Amir Khalid
The 1776 Restoration Movement deserves to have its own TV show. I’m thinking, maybe a Seinfeld-like sitcom.
Parfigliano
@Paul in KY: Im not so charitable and have had it with all MAGA idiots. After Judicial proceedings I want his rig civilly forfeited. They are not deluded they are true believers and far to gone to ever change. I want nothing but misery for them all.
Spanky
@Mike in NC:
Well, I have a modest proposal…
different-church-lady
Yeesh, I wish I had that kind of time to waste.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
These people are idiots. Goes without saying, of course. I’m legitimately shocked there isn’t some trucker’s convoy who’d be harping on the cost of diesel fuel. Most people have moved on from COVID (for better or worse)
different-church-lady
@Spanky: God Bless America is to Star Spangled Banner what Yakkity Sax is to God Save the Queen.
oatler
“People’s” Convoy? Sounds Comuniss to me.
l
Baud
@different-church-lady:
You’re here, aren’t you?
At least one can Juice from the comfort one’s own home.
SFAW
@Spanky:
I wonder how
swiftlyquickly you came up with that proposal.But frankly, after you render them down, I expect there won’t be much left.
different-church-lady
@Parfigliano:
But he’s not a minority!
SFAW
@different-church-lady:
And yet, here you are …
ETA: Shakes fist ineffectually at Baud
different-church-lady
@Baud: To be sincere for a second, it’s more like my brain has reached a state where I can only concentrate on work for five or ten minutes at a time before I have to go back to web dopamine hit just so I don’t curl into a fetal ball. It might seem like I’m here all the time, but I’m really playing frequent micro-hooky from my endless, depressing, soul-numbing quotidian obligations.
different-church-lady
@SFAW: Try shaking the treat jar instead, it’s much more effective.
Baud
@different-church-lady:
Me too.
SiubhanDuinne
@SFAW:
You are brilliant!!
StringOnAStick
I noticed that the reddish but turning bluer by in-migration town 20 miles North of us banned anything except the US flag for the 4th of July parade this year. Last year the loudest local wing nut activist there had a confederate flag bedecked vehicle and that pissed off even some normies who felt it was “divisive and inappropriate” . I figured they’d do it again anyway, but nope. Apparently setting rules works
different-church-lady
@SiubhanDuinne: Yup, approaching Firesign Theater level.
Old Man Shadow
The 1776 Restoration Project: We’re scared of Black people, women, and progress.
Baud
@different-church-lady:
I am salivating already.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@StringOnAStick: sad to say but I think it’s true that it’s progress if Normies recognize the Confederate flag as “divisive and innappproriate”.
StringOnAStick
And if Betty Cracker should read this comment, I read that Big Bad Bald Bastard passed away suddenly about a week ago. I have no idea what happened; only 53 and a fine, caring man.
Cameron
“People’s Convoy” makes me think of Bob Backlund, “The People’s Champion.” Nothing about these bozos makes me think there’s anything more left about them than being left behind.
mali muso
@different-church-lady: Yeah, this all the way. Can’t concentrate on anything these days. :/
West of the Rockies
Christ… it sounds like a regeneration of the Tea (Baggers) Party movement. Are the 1776 trucker clown brigade protesters wearing Make America Great (White) Again tricorns?
West of the Rockies
@StringOnAStick:
Who is BBBB? Is that a Florida Man character?
trollhattan
Fake news! He was arrested for tshirt abuse.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@StringOnAStick:
Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Cool! That’s definitely progress! I’m going on vacation to Gatlinburg Tennessee in a few months and for years (since I was a child, so at the very least 20+ years ago), there has been a Dukes of Hazard museum, called Cooter’s Place and Museum in Pigeon Forge. It’s still there, apparently, and I just can’t for the life of me ever understand why anybody could’ve thought that the Dixie Diaper was something harmless enough to incorporate into a TV show
trollhattan
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): $6.50/gallon or so, in these parts. How many gallons does each of those tanks hold?
different-church-lady
@trollhattan: Yeah, I hope that thing is a structural garment.
different-church-lady
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): It was the 70s, it was a different time. Gas was expensive, the president was under investigation, inflation was rampant and… uh, wait a minute…
Baud
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
I would go for the Daisy Dukes.
No one gave it a second thought because the views of black people didn’t matter. Same with Granny’s “The South shall rise again” on the Beverly Hillbillies.
All of which is before your time.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@trollhattan:
According to the Google, about 120-150 gallons. So, it’s easily $780-$975 to fill up
Baud
@different-church-lady:
Dukes was 80s, I think.
trollhattan
@The Moar You Know:
As a historical reminder, Charlie Manson thought the Tate murders would launch racial war. Big thinkers, these people are not and a small batch of lazy ideas seem persistent at the bottom of the pond in which they dwell.
different-church-lady
@Baud: “Please do not touch the exhibits.”
Villago Delenda Est
Too bad Riddell has a low melanin count. If it was higher, the po-po would have been obligated not to be so gentle with him.
Paul in KY
@Parfigliano: I sure hope he loses that rig! Actions have consequences…
trollhattan
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Sounds like the perfect opportunity for some pleasure driving! Think of those thousands as “pre-bought miles.”
Baud
@different-church-lady:
Paul in KY
@Spanky: I have recently watched Sonic 2 more times than I care, as our 5 year old is enamoured with it. Maybe we could use one of those ring thingys to send them to the mushroom planet?
Villago Delenda Est
@Old Man Shadow: They’re also afraid of the Enlightenment, which is irony on steroids.
Villago Delenda Est
@West of the Rockies: Big Bad Bald Bastard, who was among other things a commenter at and friend of Wonkette.
different-church-lady
@Baud: Hard to do the second without the first.
Baud
@different-church-lady:
Sometimes it pays to be specific.
StringOnAStick
@West of the Rockies: BBBB was part of the very small crew of commenters at Rumproast, the blog Betty wrote at before coming to BJ. That’s how I ended up here after Rumproast basically shuttered. B4 was a truly kind man, friend to semi feral cats at his workplace and volunteer teaching martial arts to kids.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
So I am voting snark of the day about Boris Johnson is “This what happens when you order a Winston Churchill from Wish.”
Mike E
A Philadelphia declaration but this time extending a hand out to England
different-church-lady
@Baud: Sometimes it pays to avoid the point where it’s necessary.
Villago Delenda Est
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Epic.
Paul in KY
@Baud: Pigeon Forge is like Myrtle Beach without the beach, nice bars & seafood restaurants. Gatlinburg, however, is nice & so, so close to the majestic beauty of the Smokey Mountains. Have had some fine times in Gatlinburg.
CliosFanBoy
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Went there as a kid a lot and the Mrs and I had our honeymoon there some 30 years ago. We’d be afraid to go back now. Probably infested with MAGA-nuts.
Baud
@Mike E: That is funny.
Baud
@different-church-lady: Sometimes.
mrmoshpotato
This shit again?
NotMax
‘@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Hazzard.
Strzok.
;)
Kent
This is such a perfect geographic demonstration of the right wing echo chamber. These dipshits do this sort of flag protest in their own shitty little right wing small towns and everyone cheers them or at least tolerate them and dips their hats. So they start believing their own bullshit.
But then show up in to a highly diverse city with a metro population of 6.5 million where people actually have shit to do and work for a living and suddenly no one has any use for their bullshit.
Alison Rose
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Kudos to whomever came up with that gem!
raven
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): What a fucking nightmare Pigeon Forge is. My outfit from Korea had a meetup there a couple of years back and I couldn’t get out of there soon enough.
Captain C
@Mike in NC:
To the extent they do know, it’s that they can’t have all the money, status, and goodies and do whatever they want when they want to, while the [womenfolk] and [nonwhites] do what they’re told, for free. Those who are self-aware to know this also know that it’s not a point of view that will gain them much traction with anyone outside their TFG*-idolizing affinity groups.
*I think at this point it may be the idea of TFG; the actual TFG’s rallies seem listless at this point on the part of all parties concerned.
Kent
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): You have my sympathies.
I have a MAGA cousin who owns a timeshare in Gatlinburg TN with her husband so I get the treat of seeing her annual Gatlinburg vacation facebook photos and get to enjoy it vicariously. The line dancing, the whisky tasting. The riding rented ATVs. The pics of lots of overweight white people in bars. The view of trees from her room. And every year like clockwork I get to live it all over again!
raven
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Sunrise can be nice a bit south of there!
Gravenstone
Was going to ask if “Give Send Go” was some dime store GoFundMe, but I see they’re actually a wingnut ripoff with added grifting overtones. Seems appropriate.
Barney
Shouldn’t a “1776 Restoration Movement” be in favour of the British monarchy, soldiers billeted in households, and so on? If they’d called themselves the “1783 Restoration Movement” they’d have had a bit more of a point, even if a profoundly regressive, racist and misogynist one.
Feathers
@trollhattan: I was utterly fascinated when I learned that Charles Manson and his Family were right wing racists. Sure, they were into drugs, but full on misogynist white supremacism was their driving force. I read Emma Cline’s book “The Girls,” a novel about the women in a Manson-type cult for a book group. I really disliked the fact that part of the reimagining of the Manson cult was that the group in the book was totally anti-racist. Racism was part of the reason why they were looking to overthrow the normies. I mean, if you are looking to humanize the women who joined the Manson cult, you have to be honest about who they were. Pretending that they were anti-racist is to make readers (and the author) feel comfortable, not at all about finding the truth of these women. It was weird and creepy, but nobody else seemed to think so. I only lasted one more book. The Girls came out in 2016. It would have been nice to have a book about how the beautiful young white women you want to reclaim and imagine yourself being were, in fact, racist as hell.
Ohio Mom
We stopped in Pigeon Forge about seven years ago, on the way to Asheville for my niece’s wedding. It was shockingly shabby, you could see its best days were far behind it. Beautiful countryside though. Dollywood is down the road and I bet that’s nice if you are into amusement parks.
Now those truckers. They drive all that way to D.C. which is full of fabulous things to see and ignore all of it. Inspiring monuments and whatever you are interested in, there is bound to be an exhibit on it somewhere on the Mall, especially of course, American history. What a waste of gas.
Immanentize
@trollhattan:
— Jim Carroll (Dead you know)
Gravenstone
@trollhattan: Google sez 125-300 gal, so $812.50-1950.00 a pop.
raven
@Feathers: Squeaky!
raven
@Feathers: Have you seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?
SFAW
@SiubhanDuinne:
Spanky deserves the praise, not I. I merely let him/her know that I got the joke.
Tony Jay
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
LOL
cope
@raven: That’s what I was going to say about Gatlinburg having been there exactly one time in the ’70s as T.A. on a geology field trip over spring break. That proved enough for me although it does sit amongst some wonderful geology.
Also, thanks for suggesting “The Bear”. Who would have ever guessed that a show about my most favorite sandwich ever would merit a series of its own? My wife thought the first episode was a bit frantic and hard to follow but I really enjoyed it.
raven
@Ohio Mom: Me and my boys on a ridge overlooking PF!
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Baud:
Mostly 80s. It premiered in 1979, so it started out as a vaguely late 70s show. The Dead Kennedys did a funny song riffing on the Dukes about how people who like them who exist in real life are actually violent, redneck thugs and not nearly as noble as the Dukes
@different-church-lady:
Everything old is new again. I read this lengthy investing newsletter that was posted on the Bogleheads forum recently and it was an interesting analysis on this recent bout of inflation. The basic gist of it was this:
This current high inflation resembles the 1940s moreso than the 1970s. However, the global population, particularly in the developed world, is far older than it was in the 1940s, which will likely slow down growth. Additionally, the Federal Reserve may squelch inflation by raising interest rates, perhaps by causing a recession, but as soon as the global economy recovers, high inflation will likely return unless and until more oil refining capacity is added because nations like India and China are driving a lot of demand.
Here’s an excerpt that discusses the most important points the author is making. The whole piece is much longer than this:
What do you all think?
raven
@cope: Yea it’s pretty nuts. My local beef joint in Villa Park was our hangout inn high school. When we didn’t have enough Doug for a beef we got a “gravy sandwich”, no meat just gravy and bread. When I was in Nam they had my picture on the wall along with the other saps who were there. When I came home and grew my hair the told me to “getta fuck out here, we don’t want your kind in here. “
AxelFoley
@Baud: Dukes ran from like 1978 to 1984.
cope
I know the feeling. In ’70-’71, I was working second shift, full time in a factory in Galesburg while also attending a full schedule of classes in college. I was the only long haired male among hundreds of employees and had to deal with a lot of catcalls on the way to my station on the line.
The Moar You Know
@Kent: Wow. To think, I’d pay good money to never have to go there. The mind reels.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Kent:
Thanks lol. My folks own a timeshare there who bought it the late 80s/early 90s; fairly nice, recently rebuilt from the wildfires there a few years back. I’ve gone there on vacation since I was a kid and the last time I was there was 2010-2012 so I guess things have changed since then
Gatlinburg itself is fairly nice, much nicer than Pigeon Forge. It’s a beautiful area for sure, being in the mountains. The amazing Biltmore Estate is also relatively nearby and that was I treat when I visited back in 2007
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@raven:
Beautiful! That’s the view I remember from when I was there
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@NotMax:
Ha! I guess I must’ve been having a stroke to leave off that second “z”
Paul in KY
@Kent: There are alot of trees surrounding Gatlinburg. She does capture that element. Also fat white people. Lot of those there too.
Paul in KY
@Feathers: Charlie Manson grew up in Bumfuck, Kentucky back in the 30s. Whole lot of racist attitudes there, even if hardly no black people (who had the sense to stay the hell away).
JustRuss
Reminded of Brando’s iconic line:
“What are you rebelling against?”
“Whatta ya got?”
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@raven:
I admit Pigeon Forge is the more tacky of the two between it and Gatlinburg. I’m just looking forward to getting away from work for awhile, eating out at some nice restaurants, going to Dollywood, etc.
trollhattan
@Feathers: “The better Manson of our imagination” is simply a vile construction. To your point he was who he was and his followers, at least the non-Stockholm syndrome ones, all bought in.
“Helter-Skelter” was his code for the coming race war and it’s little comfort the song is literally about a playground slide–it’s right there in the first verse.
When I get to the bottom
I go back to the top of the slide
Where I stop and I turn and I go for a ride
‘Til I get to the bottom and I see you again
Yeah, yeah, yeah, ha-ha-ha!
Feathers
@Kent: Patrick Wyman, host of the wonderful The Tides of History and The Fall of Rome podcasts, has written about these awful people as the American Gentry. I’ve been doing an Agatha Christie re-read and it seems apt. The books are about a certain class of people. The servants are mentioned and may even be characters, but only in the dimension where they interact with their employers. That there is a larger population of people surrounding them who might as well not exist is a fascinating consideration that keeps popping into my head while reading. Note: Wyman has a PhD in History, with a dissertation on the Fall of Rome. He grew up in central Washington state and was a sports writer and wrestling announcer before going back to school. Has a fascinating perspective on all of this. Current season of Tides of History is on pre-history from the development of agriculture to the Bronze Age Collapse. THere’s a lot to catch up on, but it breaks down into histories of various areas of the world, which can be gone through fairly independently.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@The Moar You Know:
TBF, my folks bought the timeshare 30 years ago. The MAGA stuff wasn’t around yet, they used to live in North Carolina (born and grew up in Ohio) so it was nearby, and the veneer of the New South was still in place
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
So for what it’s worth, as some of you know, I picked up symptomatic COVID at the Kentucky Bar Association convention on 6/15. I know the day because I had a violent immune response that night (thought it was a reaction to a second cigar), was basically OK the following day and then felt like dogshit the day after that. After stopping for a nap for 40 minutes in the middle of my 2.5 hour drive home, I immediately grabbed a test because I knew what I had by then. Felt like shit ever since, passed it along to wife and doze off at work.
I’d scheduled some sort of cardiac thing for 7/1 a couple of months ago, a CT scan looking for coronary plaque (something about calcium) at the insistence of the wife. Got the read back yesterday, and it appears that I took some lung damage – there are some areas of collapse and some other recent COVID associated abnormalities. I have appointments scheduled, and I don’t know when (if ever) I’ll be cleared to dive again to the specifications of PADI or the dive insurers.
Even worse, I seem to have moderate plaque which will hand my beloved the excuse she’s been looking for over the years to completely ruin my reasons for living – she’s gonna throttle my access to salt, pork, red meat, butter, dairy, alcohol and cigars.
I mean, I’ll live longer, but what’ll be the point?
Anyway, if you’ve had symptomatic COVID, get your lungs checked.
trollhattan
@Paul in KY:
I always thought the Limehouse character was a great addition to “Justified” with the way “his people” lived in that holler, as they had since the Civil War ended. Everybody was wary of one another, with good reason.
Paul in KY
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): There are a couple nice steak houses in Gatlinburg. One of them sorta looks like a lodge and is not too far from where the main road leaves Gatlinburg to go on into the national park.
Baud
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
That sucks, man. Take care of yourself.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
So sorry this happened to you. COVID is no joke for many, and so many people have forgotten and refuse to acknowledge it. Hope you recover and get better
trollhattan
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
Fuuuuuuuuuck. Sorry to hear this and hope you and the docs can assemble an effective treatment and rehab regime.
The earliest covid variants were brutal on the heart and lungs.
Paul in KY
@trollhattan: My dad is from a small town in Pike Co. that is about as ‘Eastern Kentucky’ as one could ever stand. For him, WW II was a great event, as it got him the hell away from that area. His mom had told him to leave ‘as there’s nothing for you here…’
He ended up marrying an English lass, so it was fortunate for me too.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@trollhattan:
What was weird was that I never got it up until June. I assume it’s Omicron, but who knows.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Paul in KY:
I’ll have to look that one up. My favorite is the Peddler, right next to a river
Immanentize
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
Is that an annual problem?
Do get all the tests, but don’t give up pork
trollhattan
@Paul in KY: Good outcomes, both.
Forever grateful to my folks for getting us the heck out of Iowa when I was a wee lad–growing up in Seattle made we kids vastly different people and opened windows to an entirely different world.
NW Iowa is stifling and capable of smart moves like Congressman Steve King. Grandma lived the rest of her life there and everybody managed to play nice during many visits, but where the hell does a Steve King come from, if not their hearts?
Geminid
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): There is a lot of scenic beauty in that area. I bet there’s more than one easily accessable waterfall in the nearby National Forest. Sometimes these places are not at all crowded. The southern Appalachian forests are really special.
Feathers
@raven: I saw the movie and thoroughly enjoyed it. Went looking for the publication date of The Girls and I saw that the novel no longer has a waitlist at the library. I’ve heard from several people that the novel is worth reading if you liked the film. Tarantino used to read the novelizations of movies and decided to write one. I’m of the age where I don’t remember the murders, but I do remember reading about the appeals and such in the 70s.
There is also a biography of Manson that came out in 2013 that is supposed to be good.
debbie
I didn’t think a stupider group than the Tea Party was possible. When will I ever learn?
rikyrah
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
Prayers for you.
Geminid
@debbie: These guys are the Tea Party. They never went away, just got older.
Jager
@raven:
The woman who did the upholstery in my restored Jeep was Squeaky’s cellmate at the Federal Prison in Dublin, CA. They shared a cell for almost a year and seldom spoke, what blew her away was the amount of fan mail, Lynette got. (Squeaky preferred to be called Lynette)
Ken
@Barney: After reading through the comments, it doesn’t seem anyone here is clear on what “1776 Restoration” wants to restore. Fair enough, since they’ve not been exactly clear on it since the first time they started driving in circles.
debbie
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
I just got over a collapsed lung, and I hope you recover in a more mature and better fashion than I did. It hurts like a bitch, but lung-related less critical stuff like pleurisy do too.
debbie
@Geminid:
No, these are their stupid step-siblings.
Geminid
@debbie: Well, I don’t see any tri-corner hats so maybe you’re right.
Paul in KY
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Peddler is very nice. Have ate at that one.
Paul in KY
@trollhattan: A friend of mine grew up in small town Iowa. Summed it up with a saying she heard alot back then “If you ain’t Dutch, you ain’t much”.
She and her family were not Dutch.
Paul in KY
@trollhattan: My wife has visited Seattle a couple of times. She loves it & maybe some day we will move there.
WhatsMyNym
Stop reading random newsletters. If you want to learn about investing, subscribe to the American Association of Individual Investors (www.aaii.com).
Raven
@Feathers: Did you see The Maid on Netflix? Margaret Qualley was the hitching chick in Once Upon and she’s good in the series.
zhena gogolia
@Raven: Andie MacDowell’s daughter.
Omnes Omnibus
@Immanentize: He is one of many people who died. Just saying.
Uncle Cosmo
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I think whoever scribbled that doesn’t know a fucking thing about how chess is played by anyone with a Class B or higher rating.
raven
@Jager: Yea, she got over the Squeaky stuff pretty quickly. She and Sarah Jane More were quite a pair!
Matt McIrvin
@Baud:
I think there was still a lot of lingering “let bygones be bygones” sentiment left over from the period when the UDC was putting up all the Confederate monuments, and then during the world wars, tolerating unreconstructed Reb sentiment was (a bit paradoxically) a way of maintaining national unity. The baby historical literature I read as a kid was still very big on emphasizing the Civil War as a tragic fight of brother against brother with heroes on both sides, etc. People would sort of squint and interpret it as an innocuous symbol of regional pride.
This is even AFTER the civil-rights movement, when the Confederate battle flag became a symbol of massive resistance… but as you say, whites generally didn’t give a damn what black people thought about all this.
Matt McIrvin
(Like I’ve said before, we think of “increasing polarization” as a function of Republicans getting more and more insane, but I think that shortchanges the sheer amount of horrific bullshit on race/sex/gender stuff that white liberals used to put up with or actually promulgate without blinking. We really did get more extreme on the cultural material. But it’s not like we can easily go back. The “old normal” was BAD.)
Omnes Omnibus
@Matt McIrvin: Granny was also a figure of fun, someone we weren’t supposed to take seriously.
Yutsano
Oh good. The Manson Family came up. The only contribution I have to that discussion is that Sharon Tate, at one time, was my dad’s babysitter.
HumboldtBlue
raven
@HumboldtBlue: Hey, I looked up a bunch of stuff about Johnston Atoll! Crazy duty!
HumboldtBlue
@raven:
It was a great time.
raven
@HumboldtBlue: Did they have the mockup of the “freedom bird” at Hickam when you were there?
HumboldtBlue
@raven:
Yes,
trollhattan
@Paul in KY: :-)
We were German vermin, I suppose.
Farmers were kings of the roost, you either owned land or were beholden to those who did.
bjacques
@Yutsano: my mom told me once that Sirhan Sirhan’s mom babysat me, in Altadena, late 1963 or 1964.
Ksmiami
@Spanky: there’s not enough Kansas City bbq sauce in the entire US to make them taste good….so – nah
Soprano2
@Paul in KY: We went there in October 2014. I agree, it was beautiful. I was still able to find the taffy logs my grandparents brought us every time they went there, which was a lot. We climbed to the top of Clingman’s Dome; it had already snowed up there!
Liminal Owl
The Thin Black Duke is safely home!
Geminid
@Liminal Owl: That’s great news!
I hope you go easy on the packing for a while. Hire pros if you can afford it. They’re fun to see in action.
I’d help if I wasn’t 500 miles away. Moving is tough!
stinger
@raven: Beautiful.
Juju
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: Boy did I read that wrong. My first thought was why is he giving that much detail? Then I reread. I’m a terrible person.
Ladyraxterinok
@trollhattan:
I grew up in Tulsa Oklahoma but went to college in Houston and then the grad school on the peninsula South of San Francisco. I was there during the 60s
Living in Iowa from 68 to 89 ( fairly liberal In central Iowa at the time) and then back to Oklahoma in 89—my Outlook on politics is quite different from my brothers and their wives and the people I still have contact with from my high school days in Tulsa
Steeplejack
@NotMax:
Smoky Mountains.
debbie
@Liminal Owl:
Bestest news today!
Ben Cisco
@Liminal Owl: Glad to hear this!!
Denali
‘@Goku,
If you can change your plans, go to Townsend – not far from Pigeon Forge but much quieter and very scenic. Take the Loop Drive around Cades Cove for some beautiful views and a sense of the life of the people who lived in the Smokies. You can still drive to Newfound Gap and hike to the top of Mt. LeConte if you are so inclined. There are also shorter hikes to waterfalls and vistas.
Felanius Kootea
@Liminal Owl: Oh that’s wonderful news!
Paul in KY
@Soprano2: Clingman’s Dome is something to visit! Took my parents up there one morn & didn’t think about fog. Got up to the ‘spaceship’ and you couldn’t see a thing! That is a good, tough walk from the parking lot.
Paul in KY
@Liminal Owl: Yay!!!