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You are here: Home / Domestic Terrorism / Tuesday’s Jan6 Committee Hearing Open Thread: Early Notes

Tuesday’s Jan6 Committee Hearing Open Thread: Early Notes

by Anne Laurie|  July 13, 20222:10 am| 116 Comments

This post is in: Domestic Terrorism, Jan 6: Hearings, Jan 6: Insurrection, Open Threads

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Excellent summary, IMO. Rep. Cheney is not gonna settle for less than a Red Wedding reenactment:

If there’s one member of the Jan. 6 committee most focused on guiding the Justice Department to charge former president Donald Trump, it’s Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.). Cheney was the first, back in December, to preview the crime that the committee would ultimately focus on: obstruction of an official proceeding of Congress. Cheney later objected when Jan. 6 committee Chairman Bennie G. Thompson (D-Miss.) said the committee wouldn’t be making a criminal referral to the Justice Department. Cheney said last week that, in fact, multiple criminal referrals could be on the way…

“Now, the argument seems to be that President Trump was manipulated by others outside the administration, that he was persuaded to ignore his closest advisers and that he was incapable of telling right from wrong,” Cheney said.

She added: “The strategy is to blame people his advisers called, quote, ‘the crazies’ for what Donald Trump did. This, of course, is nonsense. President Trump is a 76-year-old man. He is not an impressionable child.”

She said the record, in fact, showed quite the opposite — that he was told over and over again that he had in fact lost his reelection. The committee has shared lots of evidence that he had been told this, and it would play new evidence to that effect Tuesday.

Then came the key line from Cheney: “No rational or sane man in his position could disregard that information and reach the opposite conclusion. And Donald Trump cannot escape responsibility by being willfully blind.”…

But some close to the situation continue to push the idea that ne’er-do-wells were whispering in Trump’s ear and manipulating him — a view that’s consistent with how aides have long talked anonymously about how Trump’s worst impulses came to be. Cheney laid down a marker, asserting that the committee won’t settle for that, even if it could conceivably be used to prove Trump broke the law.

Encrypted communications obtained by the committee show that the leader of the Florida Oath Keepers spoke directly with Roger Stone about security on January 5 and 6 pic.twitter.com/HHp0sBud9Z

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 12, 2022



Raskin shows posts from https://t.co/xTQUUymOxm organizing violence on January 6 following Trump's December 19 tweet pic.twitter.com/nQadIVsIRc

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 12, 2022

the irony of this line being used to explain why someone turned on Trump is rich https://t.co/p40lJd9Q5i

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 12, 2022


"Thank you, but f?ck you for being there.” – D.C. police officer Michael Fanone on his response to the few rioters who helped when others were trying to kill him pic.twitter.com/sObht9raY7

— Jason E. Dunlap, Valeyard (@Red_eyedjedi) July 12, 2022

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Sidebar: Mehdi Hasan and his DO SOMETHING!! besties can now shut up, forever:

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  1. 1.

    trollhattan

    July 12, 2022 at 10:23 pm

    Beginning to think this Rep Cheney is not Donald Trump’s biggest fan.

  2. 2.

    sab

    July 12, 2022 at 10:23 pm

    Small thing in the scheme of thimgs, but Mehdi Hassan certainly is clueless most of the time. Why does he have a show in the USA?

  3. 3.

    zhena gogolia

    July 12, 2022 at 10:23 pm

    Angry Staffer’s tweet is wrong. That guy wasn’t a former Oath Keeper.

  4. 4.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 12, 2022 at 10:24 pm

    Medhi Hassan is a fucking tool, a bellowing blowhard. I don’t know why this has to be pointed out over and over again, but apparently it does.

    ETA: @sab: I can’t remember if I’ve read this or it’s just my notion based on their similar sympathies and worldviews, but I hold to the theory that Chris Hayes is his big booster at MSNBC

  5. 5.

    James E Powell

    July 12, 2022 at 10:25 pm

    The joke is that MSNBC is considered to be the Democratic equivalent of FOX.

  6. 6.

    zhena gogolia

    July 12, 2022 at 10:26 pm

    @sab: Wow, those tweets are bad, aren’t they? I sometimes get sucked into the Mehdi thing because his accent is so cute. But that’s bad.

  7. 7.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 12, 2022 at 10:27 pm

    Harry Dunn is coming up on MSNBC to discuss this whole apology business, and I imagine sort a few things out.

  8. 8.

    cain

    July 12, 2022 at 10:31 pm

    Mehdi’s tweet was certainly rage inducing. All these clowns were screaming “do something” and now the story is all changed.

    That said, kudos to Cheney for going for the jugular – her father has taught her well.

  9. 9.

    cain

    July 12, 2022 at 10:32 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Chris Hayes is also getting his ass kicked.

  10. 10.

    Ken

    July 12, 2022 at 10:32 pm

    No rational or sane man

    Ah, well, there’s your mistake….

  11. 11.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 12, 2022 at 10:33 pm

    Kamala Harris was prescient about the threat the Orange Error posed back in 2019.

    There is a reason that the mean girls (and guys) of the media hate her, she called out their bff in 2019.

  12. 12.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 12, 2022 at 10:34 pm

    @zhena gogolia: I have never heard him speak only seen his annoying mug on my Twitter feed when mutuals quote tweet him.

  13. 13.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 12, 2022 at 10:38 pm

    @James E Powell: It is the leftist equivalent FOX as in attacks Ds but from the left.

  14. 14.

    sab

    July 12, 2022 at 10:40 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Kamala Harris has been prescient a lot. Wondering to myself why she was always my second choice candidate but never my first.

  15. 15.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 12, 2022 at 10:42 pm

    Speaking of Do-Somethingists, blowhards and Chris Hayes

    Will Bredderman @WillBredderman
    NEW, from me: @CorbinTrent @AOC‘s former comms head and a co-founder of @JusticeDems and @BrandNew535, launched @NoExcuses_PAC in 2021 to end the filibuster and pressure Manchin and Sinema. But for more than a year, it’s done little but pay Trent himself.’

    article’s paywalled, but it looks like a not uncommon story, he pays himself and hired a friend’s company to help him pay himself. I’m sure it’s a huge relief to Manchin and Sinema that this political jeenyus is distracted from “pressuring” them by his grift.

    Centrism Fan Acct @Wilson__Valdez

    I turned on MSNBC primetime a few days after the Roe ruling to see what they were saying and for some inexplicable reason @chrislhayes had this Justice Dems grifter on as a guest to discuss it. Turned that garbage off quickly.

    “He’s deeply unpopular. He’s old as shit. He’s largely been ineffective, unless we’re counting judges or whatever the hell inside-baseball scorecard we’re using. said Corbin Trent, co-founder of the progressive No Excuses PAC and former communications director for Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)

    Hayes turns to this little “unless we’re counting judges or whatever the hell” nitwit to discuss the trump-Bush (because I’m feeling nice) Court

  16. 16.

    sab

    July 12, 2022 at 10:43 pm

    An important part of management is hiring good people. Anyone noticing how good Biden’s hires are?

  17. 17.

    piratedan

    July 12, 2022 at 10:43 pm

    out of the names named at Coup Club, anyone there that was a surprise for anyone?

    I speculated in a prior thread about what Nona Pelosi might do, is hoping that expulsion and barring from holding future and current office is on the table.  Might as well put down a marker and make them choose, the big lie or the country.

  18. 18.

    HumboldtBlue

    July 12, 2022 at 10:44 pm

    Mother Jones has obtained NEW revelations about Steve Bannon: Leaked audio shows the former White House strategist detailing Trump’s plan to declare election victory, even if he was losing.

  19. 19.

    Splitting Image

    July 12, 2022 at 10:45 pm

    I’ll give Hasan credit for this: in two tweets he has perfectly captured how the news media depicts the Democratic party and why the professional left is so consistently disappointed in it.

    When faced with an important decision and more than one course of action which can be taken, the wise course is to draw up a list of advantages and disadvantages for each. The news media does this, waits until the Democrats commit to an action, then lists the disadvantages of what they did and the advantages of the other option. Presto: Democrats in disarray! Again.

  20. 20.

    Layer8Problem

    July 12, 2022 at 10:50 pm

    Um, did a WaterGirl post just poof into non-existence?

  21. 21.

    UncleEbeneezer

    July 12, 2022 at 10:51 pm

    Hassan is trying to give Elie Mystal a run for his money as most annoying member of MSM Do Something Twitter

  22. 22.

    JaySinWA

    July 12, 2022 at 10:54 pm

    @Layer8Problem: I think it just traveled back in time.

  23. 23.

    Ken

    July 12, 2022 at 10:55 pm

    @Layer8Problem: If you mean the hearings 1-7 post, it’s still there, but a month ago. Timey-wimey stuff. There’s a link in the sidebar.

  24. 24.

    Shalimar

    July 12, 2022 at 10:57 pm

    @piratedan: I had never heard of Brian Babin before.  Other than that, it was all the worst House members except Mo Brooks. And I guess Boebert, who would have been included if it had been a few months of her trolling-for-attention later.

  25. 25.

    Jim Appleton

    July 12, 2022 at 10:58 pm

    So witness Ayers is shown on video entering the Capitol in a helmet and what looks like body armor.

    None of which is relevant to his testimony?

  26. 26.

    Layer8Problem

    July 12, 2022 at 10:59 pm

    @JaySinWA:  Like when I tried to make instant coffee in the microwave . . .

  27. 27.

    Jay

    July 12, 2022 at 11:00 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    even before Citizen’s United, PAC’s were god’s gift to grifters.

  28. 28.

    sab

    July 12, 2022 at 11:03 pm

    @Jay: I had an internship at a big manufacturing /chemical corporation in 1978, and upper management was absolutely giddy about PACs.

  29. 29.

    sab

    July 12, 2022 at 11:05 pm

    Where’s Goku? Probably working. I want to know if he knows Stephen Ayres. Same county. They must know each other.

  30. 30.

    pat

    July 12, 2022 at 11:05 pm

    Isn’t is obvious by now?  Liz Cheney is trying to SAVE the republican party.

  31. 31.

    sab

    July 12, 2022 at 11:10 pm

    @pat: We do need two parties. I just wish the other one still was Lincoln’s. I am not sure Cheney is on board with that.

    She believes Antifa is an equal menace. The Antifa kids I know are just tolerant punkers who get in fights with racist punkers. What am I missing?

  32. 32.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 12, 2022 at 11:10 pm

    Whether this is Autocorrect Gone Wild or merely journalistic ignorance, I do not know, but it’s one of the finest entries in the “Are There No Editors?”sweepstakes I’ve seen in a long time. Take it away, Washington Post:

    When he arrived on the Ellipsis, Ayres said, he didn’t plan to march to the Capitol.

  33. 33.

    sab

    July 12, 2022 at 11:11 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Yikes!

  34. 34.

    HumboldtBlue

    July 12, 2022 at 11:15 pm

    I am rarely gobsmacked (well, that shit changed 2015 or so) and yet Oklahoma is always a gold mine for gobsmackingly absurd stories. Like, Florida’s younger, much stupider cousin. And to be honest, if I’m gonna kill somebody, they better call me the “mad butcher” or “slasher McGee” and not the fucking “noodler.”

    A noodler has been arrested on a murder complaint after he confessed to killing another fisherman for trying to feed him to Bigfoot along a river in southeast Oklahoma, an OSBI agent reported.

  35. 35.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 12, 2022 at 11:17 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Like, Florida’s younger, much stupider cousin.

    That’s harsh, but… just based on that quote, maybe harsh but fair

  36. 36.

    sab

    July 12, 2022 at 11:17 pm

    Normies shouldn’t go to marches.

    I am an Ohioan but I have been to a lot of marches to DC and I am not particularly radical or active. And I always knew, from age 15, that if people start bashing other people or knocking down barriers  or attacking cops you get the hell out of there.

    This isn’t rocket science.

    Trump politicized non-voters. The results weren’t pretty.

  37. 37.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 12, 2022 at 11:17 pm

    @sab:

    Right?

  38. 38.

    ian

    July 12, 2022 at 11:18 pm

    @sab: Well, that sent me googling.  He is a British born naturalized US citizen.  He has been a fairly prolific writer working for several US based magazines and websites before TV.  He has a show in the USA because NBC hired him.

    Here is an interesting guardian article about why Brits get so many media jobs in US. Link

  39. 39.

    Ken

    July 12, 2022 at 11:21 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: I recently read Nellie Bly’s “10 Days in a Madhouse”, and was shocked by how bad the treatment of the mentally ill was back then. But I can’t say that it’s better to let them wander around, dodging imaginary Bigfoots and voting, until they kill someone.

  40. 40.

    HumboldtBlue

    July 12, 2022 at 11:21 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    That’s harsh, but… just based on that quote, maybe harsh but fair

    Look at it this way, Jimmy, these chucklefucks think Bigfoot lives in Oklahoma!

  41. 41.

    Fake Irishman

    July 12, 2022 at 11:24 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    a noodler is some one who fishes for large catfish by sticking out a finger and wiggling it in muddy water. Think 20lbs plus. A very Oklahoma thing to do. Perhaps Ozark can fill us in on the finer points as it’s also pretty popular in his neck of the woods.

  42. 42.

    Jay

    July 12, 2022 at 11:25 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    “noodler’s” hand fish catfish by sticking their arms into hollow logs, undercut banks, rockpiles, log jams and caves. When the catfish bites onto you, you grab him back, ( because your hand is deep in it’s mouth), and try to haul it out.

    They are a little bit territorial about good noodling spots.

  43. 43.

    sab

    July 12, 2022 at 11:25 pm

    @ian: Well I didn’t know that he is a US citizen. He needs to restudy his civics class.

    Since he is one of us now I’ll cut him some slack, but maybe he should get another job until he learns the ropes. Our government structure is insanely complicated and nothing like the UK, but nevertheless it is what it is. That’s the parameters within which responsible, knowledgeable reporters report, because that is the parameters within which politicians must try to govern.

  44. 44.

    HumboldtBlue

    July 12, 2022 at 11:30 pm

    @Fake Irishman: @Jay:

    Oh, I am aware of noodling, the term just doesn’t give off an air of danger and menace.

    Although, now that I think about it, it does give off a whiff of “wicked uncle Ernie” and that’s disturbing.

    Then again, we are discussing the preferred name one would like if they were a serial killer.

  45. 45.

    West of the Rockies

    July 12, 2022 at 11:35 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    What is a noodler

    Never mind… already answered.

  46. 46.

    West of the Rockies

    July 12, 2022 at 11:37 pm

    @Fake Irishman: noodles?

    20 lbs…

    That’s a big-ass finger!

  47. 47.

    SFAW

    July 12, 2022 at 11:40 pm

    @Layer8Problem:

    Like when I tried to make instant coffee in the microwave . . .

    Did you also grow up in Burlington (MA)?

  48. 48.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 12, 2022 at 11:40 pm

    Here, have a Samwise!

    Get a load of this distinguished gentleman pic.twitter.com/TcPcXVSxpu

    — ☕️ (@TynanPants) July 13, 2022

  49. 49.

    SFAW

    July 12, 2022 at 11:41 pm

    @Jay:

    Maybe I’m just intolerant, but “noodling” (and its practitioners) sound(s) pretty fucked up.

  50. 50.

    James E Powell

    July 12, 2022 at 11:42 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    When he arrived on the Ellipsis (sic), Ayres said, he didn’t plan to march to the Capitol.

    Instead of “he said” insert “he now claims” –

    Note to reporters & editors:  pretend it’s Hillary Clinton then do what you always do.

  51. 51.

    SFAW

    July 12, 2022 at 11:42 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: ​
     
    He is such a handsome/beautiful boy.

  52. 52.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 12, 2022 at 11:45 pm

    @SFAW: lots of videos of noodling on YouTube, if you’re curious

  53. 53.

    MisterForkbeard

    July 12, 2022 at 11:45 pm

    @SFAW: He rocks the bowtie much better than other media personalities, I give him that. :)

  54. 54.

    RaflW

    July 12, 2022 at 11:46 pm

    I get the sense that Liz is still serious about running for president in ’24. Wyoming is too much of a cipher for me to get a sense if ‘crossover Dems’ will show up enough for her to keep her seat, but she’s sure raising her profile.

    None of that is to say her J6 work isn’t solid and important. But I think it helps that she’s ambitious (and maybe a little too full of herself like her daddy).

  55. 55.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 12, 2022 at 11:48 pm

    @RaflW: I hadn’t heard that she’s planning a presidential run. As we’ve learned, a candidate focused on running against one other person as opposed to for the presidency can do a lot of damage to that person. I don’t know if there’s room in the GOP for that kind of campaign, but it might be fun to watch. I can’t deny she has a presence.

    Of course, Ron DeSantis might be the actual beneficiary if it worked.

  56. 56.

    Jay

    July 12, 2022 at 11:52 pm

    @SFAW:

    big Catfish hide out during the day. Most people who fish for catfish in coloured water, use trotlines at night.

    I have guddy tickled trout, char and salmon.

    There is something about catching a fish with nothing but your bare hands that is unique.

  57. 57.

    debbie

    July 12, 2022 at 11:56 pm

    @RaflW:

    I think she’s realistic enough she knows she has no chance there in ’22 and will bide her time, watching how her successor and DeSantis’s GOP fare. God help them all if they don’t meet her rigorous standards, because she will be back if needed,

  58. 58.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 13, 2022 at 12:01 am

    @MisterForkbeard: he’s due for a new one. We usually buy them in Japan which has been closed for a couple years unfortunately.

  59. 59.

    Layer8Problem

    July 13, 2022 at 12:02 am

    @SFAW:    Nah, that was Steven Wright, but coincidentally I did take a database administration course in Burlington MA quite a few years ago.

  60. 60.

    RaflW

    July 13, 2022 at 12:08 am

    @Jay: I get widdgy if a bluegill takes a tiny, toothless nibble on me when I swim in a lake. I get that the catfish don’t have (what we think of as) teeth, but jiminy. Not my thing. At all.

  61. 61.

    RaflW

    July 13, 2022 at 12:11 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I would not say she’s planning a run just yet. But there have certainly been rumblings that she’s interested. And I believe she appraises herself as capable (she probably is. And I’d vote against her for so, so many reasons!).

  62. 62.

    Jay

    July 13, 2022 at 12:13 am

    @RaflW:

    they can tear up your skin pretty bad, but there is a big difference between a bluegill hunting you while enjoying a peaceful float, ( stay away from their spawning beds),

    and you deliberately hunting a fish.

    I would avoid it because snapping turtles often hide in similar spots.

  63. 63.

    NotMax

    July 13, 2022 at 12:14 am

    ‘@RaflW

    Wyoming is too much of a cipher for me to get a sense if ‘crossover Dems’ will show up enough

    All eight of them?

    //

  64. 64.

    danielx

    July 13, 2022 at 12:21 am

    Once again, I wonder why ‘fuck those guys’ is not a rotating tag line.

  65. 65.

    ian

    July 13, 2022 at 12:25 am

    @RaflW: There are not enough of us ‘crossover dems’ here in Wyo to carry the load alone.  Wyoming is about 4:1 Republican to Dem, and if Cheney has a good day, she may get 1/2 of the Dems to do so (I filled out my absentee ballot for her the other day).

    Her ads here on radio (I assume TV as well, I don’t watch, and most the local TV is Colorado based) heavily use on her conservative record and second amendment fetish.  I don’t think I have heard the J6 committee mentioned in an ad.  Some ads do mention loyalty to the constitution, which is about as veiled a reference to Trump as she can go here.  Her best bet is elderly Wyomingites (state skews heavily older) who have been voting for Cheneys for years continue to do so.  I hope she pulls it out, her main opponent Hageman is full into the Big Lie

     

    Edit: @ Notmax

    All eight of them?

    Basically.  Give us time.  The only two parts of the state growing in population voted for Biden.  The other 21 counties are deep red, but shrinking.

  66. 66.

    Kent

    July 13, 2022 at 12:25 am

    @RaflW:

    I get the sense that Liz is still serious about running for president in ’24. Wyoming is too much of a cipher for me to get a sense if ‘crossover Dems’ will show up enough for her to keep her seat, but she’s sure raising her profile.

    None of that is to say her J6 work isn’t solid and important. But I think it helps that she’s ambitious (and maybe a little too full of herself like her daddy).

    I expect she is, at a minimum, angling for a major cabinet position in the next Democratic administration.

  67. 67.

    Kent

    July 13, 2022 at 12:29 am

    @NotMax: My daughter spent the past winter working at the Jackson Hole ski resort in the NW corner of Wyoming next to Yellowstone.  There are a lot of lefty types in that little town.  It actually went solidly for Biden in 2020.

    There is also the Wind River reservation (Shoshone and Arapaho) which is solidly blue.

    Of course eastern Wyoming ranch and coal country solidly outvote those places.

  68. 68.

    Jackie

    July 13, 2022 at 12:33 am

    @Major Major Major Major: Ahhh, Samwise! I feel my BP dropping. My son’s gray kitta does the same.

    Thank you for the respite!

  69. 69.

    sab

    July 13, 2022 at 12:36 am

    Stepson had a traffic issue six months ago. He deserved it. Not drunk, but high on zantax. Driving very erratic, could have killed people.  Threw the book at him.

    Our book is slow and convoluted. Eventually they pulled his license. He lives on other side of town. Retired dad has bee++n driving him to work and elsewhere for the last at least six months.

    Meanwhile dad desperately needs back surgery. Finally got a slot. July.

    Stepson finally got through all the court stuff and got his mandatory five day jail time. Husband drove him to there and home.

    Stepson of course tested Covid positive. Dad has been driving him everywhere. Masked but in his car always.

    I have cut these kids a lot of slack over the last twenty years, but I am done with them. If husband misses his back surgery slot because he cleaned up after them then he can move in with them. I am done with the whole lot of idiots

    ETA To remind everyone, this kid also has a mother and a stepfather. But my husband has had to pick up the slack all year, even with impending back surgery.

  70. 70.

    HumboldtBlue

    July 13, 2022 at 12:42 am

    @Ken:

    But I can’t say that it’s better to let them wander around, dodging imaginary Bigfoots and voting, until they kill someone.

    Indeed.

  71. 71.

    Jay

    July 13, 2022 at 12:44 am

    @sab:

    sorry Sab. I’ll keep y’all in my thoughts.

  72. 72.

    West of the Rockies

    July 13, 2022 at 12:54 am

    @sab:

    Adult children who are 25 or 35 going on 14 are so damn annoying.  Best of luck.

  73. 73.

    JoyceH

    July 13, 2022 at 12:56 am

    @SFAW: How do you feel about “chicken necking”? Sounds really hinky, but it’s basically tying a string to a raw chicken neck and dropping it into the bay or river, crab latches onto it and you pull it out and collect the crab.

  74. 74.

    HumboldtBlue

    July 13, 2022 at 12:57 am

    @sab:

    Damn. All the best and have some love.

  75. 75.

    JoyceH

    July 13, 2022 at 12:58 am

    Open thread topic – have you folks seen the “I’m Dave” commercial? Am I imagining things or have they created an app for payday loans?

  76. 76.

    sab

    July 13, 2022 at 12:59 am

    @West of the Rockies: Thanks.

  77. 77.

    sab

    July 13, 2022 at 1:00 am

    @HumboldtBlue: Thank you.

  78. 78.

    sab

    July 13, 2022 at 1:00 am

    @Jay: Thank you so much.

  79. 79.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 13, 2022 at 1:07 am

    @JoyceH: used to do that for crawfish, with liver, which the butcher would give you for free. One of those stories that makes me feel like an old man lol.

  80. 80.

    sab

    July 13, 2022 at 1:11 am

    II whine a lot, and I get annoyed a lot. But I try avoid vivid anger (not helpful.) But husband, after twenty or forty years ( dependending on how you count) is missing or postponing much needed back surgery because his people were completely selfish idiots (of course they were. Aren’t they always?)

    Next time step son wants to borrow money he can go elsewhere. This whole mess wouldn’t have happened woth a litle more control on his part.

    Probably not fair, but I am incandescently angry.

  81. 81.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    July 13, 2022 at 2:37 am

    Whether to support or condemn Liz Cheney is a bit complicated, but as far as I can see, it boils down to this: the Neocons, the Dominionists, and the Trumpists are all enemies of the America we were taught to believe in. But they’re not all on the same side. The Trumpists are the most immediate threat; if we can’t take them out then we’re all doomed anyway. There still needs to be a reckoning with the Dominionists and the Neocons, but for now, we have to deal with Cheney like FDR and Churchill dealt with Stalin: as an ally in the current war but not a friend in the long term.

    As Lord Vetinari said, “there aren’t good people and bad people; there are only the bad people, but sometimes they’re on different sides.”

    And to quote Saving Private Ryan: “You’ve got to take Caen so you take St. Lo. Got to take St. Lo to take Valognes. Valognes you get Cherbourg, Cherbourg you get Paris, Paris you get Berlin, and then that big boat home.”

    Take down the Trumpists, deal with the Dominionists. Once the Dominionists are out, deal with the Neocons.

  82. 82.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 13, 2022 at 3:11 am

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR: Well said, Bruce.

  83. 83.

    prostratedragon

    July 13, 2022 at 3:13 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: Ayres  said, after a pause, …

  84. 84.

    frosty

    July 13, 2022 at 3:13 am

    @JoyceH: Nothing wrong with chicken necking. You toss bait into the Chesapeake that you’re not going to eat and you come back with some tasty crabs. Can’t argue with that!

  85. 85.

    Ruckus

    July 13, 2022 at 5:22 am

    @Ken:

    47 yrs ago I was a mental health counselor at a city clinic and no the treatment for the mentally ill wasn’t all that good. It might have been, believe it or not, better than today. Because there are more people, there are more people that need help, but there is, as a percentage of the population, fewer low or no cost places to get help and fewer places to check people into. Yes we have more meds to treat some of the issues, but that is very often not enough. The overwhelming need of the wealthy to get far wealthier for no reasons other than ego and greed is killing people.

  86. 86.

    Ruckus

    July 13, 2022 at 5:27 am

    @sab:

    So sorry for all of this.

    Best of luck for your husband. And you.

  87. 87.

    SFAW

    July 13, 2022 at 7:21 am

    @Jay:

    There is something about catching a fish with nothing but your bare hands that is unique.

    Well, I guess “unique” is one way of looking at it.

  88. 88.

    Geminid

    July 13, 2022 at 7:22 am

    @ian: Pew Research has interesting data on Wyoming party affiliation among various demographic groups. They were using “self-identification” which is very different from party registration which shows a lopsided advantage for Republicans. Evidently most Wyomingians register as Republican because Republicans are so dominant that many people pragmatically register for the party whose primary determines the general election winner.

    By self-identification, Republicans constitute 47% of the electorate, followed by Independents at 36% and Democrats at 17%. Cheney must get votes from like minded Republicans, Independents, and Democrats to win. Those in the latter groups can reregister the day of the primary, but many are already registered Republican.

    One GOP Impeacher has already fought a Republican primary. That was Tom Rice (SC 7th CD. He was beaten fairly soundly by a Trump-endorsed challenger last month. I thought this was a bad sign fo Cheney.

    She may benefit from multiple challengers splitting the vote, although Harriet Hageman has gotten separation from the others on the strength of Trump’s endoresment. Also, I expect that Dick Cheney is working hard for Liz behind the scenes, and I do not underestimate him.

  89. 89.

    Geminid

    July 13, 2022 at 7:30 am

    @Geminid: Another data  point will be  Peter Meijar’s performance in his western Michigan primary. He’s another Impeacher challenged by a Trump-endorsed candidate. I thought his primary was yesterday, but I guess it’s next week.

    Unlike in  Wyoming, the winner of Meijar’s primary will face a viable Democratic opponent. Hilary Scholten came within 4 points of Meijar in 2020 and will be the Democratic nominee this year.

  90. 90.

    Baud

    July 13, 2022 at 7:33 am

    The one thing I can say about people like Hasan is that a decade ago, they would have received almost no pushback on social media. So in that sense, things have gotten better.

  91. 91.

    brantl

    July 13, 2022 at 7:46 am

    @HumboldtBlue: Noodlers are the idjits that lean down in bodies of watet, stick their hands under logs, etc, and wiggle their fingers, to catch behemoth catfish ON THEIR FINGERS. Not unheard of that the catfish wrench back on the hand, concuss the idjit, and he drowns.

  92. 92.

    Quinerly

    July 13, 2022 at 7:58 am

    Good Morning from Santa Fe!

    Wouldn’t it be cool if Hannity is the witness Trump called? Great for the big reveal in prime time next week.

  93. 93.

    Leenie

    July 13, 2022 at 8:01 am

    ‘@sab
    I’ve been there. Al-Anon helped a lot.

  94. 94.

    Baud

    July 13, 2022 at 8:06 am

    @Quinerly:

    Good morning from the Internet.

  95. 95.

    Quinerly

    July 13, 2022 at 8:07 am

    @Baud: anything new lately?

  96. 96.

    Baud

    July 13, 2022 at 8:08 am

    @Quinerly:

    Pretty quiet.

  97. 97.

    Quinerly

    July 13, 2022 at 8:10 am

    @Baud: hung with Cheryl Rofer Friday. Cool spending some time with her.

  98. 98.

    zhena gogolia

    July 13, 2022 at 8:10 am

    @schrodingers_cat: You would certainly not be charmed by his accent! A little like John Oliver.

  99. 99.

    Geminid

    July 13, 2022 at 8:11 am

    @Quinerly: Good morning from Virginia! I hope those terrible wildfires in May did not threaten your house. How is life in your new home?

  100. 100.

    Baud

    July 13, 2022 at 8:11 am

    @Quinerly:

    Very cool. Hope she’s liking LGM.

  101. 101.

    David ☘The Establishment☘ Koch

    July 13, 2022 at 8:12 am

    @Quinerly: ​
      It’s probably Patrick Byrne the ex-Overstock.com CEO who had an affair/worked with russian spy Maria Butina. He’s part of Dump’s inner-circle.

    What a surprise, someone with access to the oval office under Dump was connected to russian intelligence. (link)

    Who could have known.

  102. 102.

    Quinerly

    July 13, 2022 at 8:20 am

    @Geminid: love it here. Love my house. Wildfires were as close as 20 miles at one point since l am on that side of Santa Fe. I’m off the 285 corridor. Thanks for asking. 2PODS and my van full, JoJo and l are pretty much settled. The smoke plumes were very upsetting for weeks. Then the monsoons came. Everything is so green! Cactus are blooming. I have been working hard in the yard clearing all the dead stuff from the drought. We have several yard snakes… Beneficial Bullys. Very cool. (JoJo is not amused) Family of Scaled Quail too. JoJo is thrilled to be back in his Native Lands.

  103. 103.

    Quinerly

    July 13, 2022 at 8:22 am

    @David ☘The Establishment☘ Koch: that’s a good pick.

    I really want it to be someone from Fox. No way we can be that lucky.

  104. 104.

    Baud

    July 13, 2022 at 8:24 am

    @Quinerly:

  105. 105.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    July 13, 2022 at 8:31 am

    @David ☘The Establishment☘ Koch: I’m sometimes astounded by the amount of crazed looniness that swirls around TFG at all times. He’s a magnet for it.

     

    @Quinerly: Good to see you!

  106. 106.

    Geminid

    July 13, 2022 at 8:35 am

    @Quinerly: Did the wildfires make it into the Pecos Wilderness Area? I was hoping it escaped.

  107. 107.

    Quinerly

    July 13, 2022 at 8:36 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: thanks!

  108. 108.

    catclub

    July 13, 2022 at 9:10 am

    @James E Powell: The joke is that MSNBC is considered to be the Democratic equivalent of FOX.

     

    Who is the equivalent of Joe Scar at Fox?  Joe Scar is a florida republican.

  109. 109.

    Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)

    July 13, 2022 at 9:40 am

    @piratedan: Can we call them the “Coup Club Clan?”

  110. 110.

    misterpuff

    July 13, 2022 at 11:29 am

    @JoyceH: And Dave is a fuzzy widdle teddy bear, not a vampire squid.

    Uh-huh.

  111. 111.

    The Lodger

    July 13, 2022 at 12:20 pm

    @Quinerly: Great to see your nym again! I didn’t wait till the end of the thread because I’m already late enough to welcome you back. Cheers to you and Jojo!

  112. 112.

    Paul in KY

    July 13, 2022 at 12:36 pm

    @sab: We (and Antifaites themselves) should mention whenever they are mentioned that ‘Antifa’ means ‘Anti Fascist’. My dad was pretty Antifa back in WWII…

    I don’t think they do that enough.

  113. 113.

    Paul in KY

    July 13, 2022 at 12:38 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: I think paint thinner being drunk as alcohol might have been involved there.

    My dad was a great noodler.  He didn’t call it that. He just called it ‘fishing’ :-)

  114. 114.

    Paul in KY

    July 13, 2022 at 12:44 pm

    @SFAW: When you’re hungry, you’ll try all sorts of novel ways to secure food.

  115. 115.

    Paul in KY

    July 13, 2022 at 12:47 pm

    @sab: I hope your husband gets his needed surgery ASAP!

  116. 116.

    moops

    July 13, 2022 at 5:15 pm

    Garland keeps looking worse and worse.

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