"Patriot front" incels training in Utah.
Where do I begin with this. My grandma hits harder.
you can see the rest of the clips on https://t.co/q8EetLwF5D pic.twitter.com/Dzoxiip3YQ— ALT-immigration (@ALT_uscis) July 21, 2022
3/ if you ant to dive into the patriot front data leak. link below.
I spent to hours on it and I can't stop laughinghttps://t.co/oEHfWbpFcA— ALT-immigration (@ALT_uscis) July 21, 2022
There are gaming stores in Utah, guys!
you laugh but this is why they need guns with high-capacity magazines https://t.co/wK4WkQfgP3
— Sen. Lemon Gogurt (I – Podcastia) (@Ugarles) July 21, 2022
If I didn't know better I'd think this was about current events. https://t.co/tVbItCQYCl
— K. Chen (@tznkai) July 21, 2022
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Penn
As an SCA-person and a LARPer, that’s the first time I’ve heard either called sensible. In the context I guess it fits though. :)
HumboldtBlue
Ya know what? Fuck these jamokes.
Here’s Pepper Persley as a sideline reporter for the WNBA. Pepper is 11.
Anne Laurie
Many of my (our) dearest friends from college are SCAdians! We had a medieval-themed wedding, back in the early 1990s, because if I was gonna spend that much money on a dress, I wanted one I could use again!
(But actually, the title is a personal call-back to an old Doonesbury strip, where Virginia asks her aspiring boyfriend Clyde, Wouldn’t a Gremlin have been more sensible? )
sab
@HumboldtBlue: Why are all the best reporters in sports? Very good, and even younger than Ezra Klein when he started.
eclare
My cousin is heavily involved with SOLAR which is an SCA type group. I asked why he wasn’t in SCA, and he said SCA is a 501(c)(3) group, so they have to do a number of charitable projects. SOLAR is not.
Now that he is around sixty, he said he plans to stop participating and to sell the two branches that he owns.
eclare
@HumboldtBlue: Impressive young lady!
sab
Re SCA : What is the medievalist society that was not focused on nobility? My baby sister used to be active in that one.
HumboldtBlue
@sab:
Because it’s one of the best ways to learn how to report.
Sports reporting offers one great advantage for reporters.
You know who is playing, you know when they are going to play, and you have a general sense of who is actually going to play that game.
You have some advance knowledge of what will take place at a basic level — a high school coach hands you a lineup card — and in the end there will be a result, a concrete result, win or lose, that gets reported.
It’s a great training ground. Reporting is hard, daily news reporting is very hard, and daily sports news reporting is a great way to learn how hard it is.
The interviews, the pre-game calls, the in-game notes, the post-game chase for a reaction, a word, a quote.
Sports is theater, drama, conflict, learning how to watch and understand that dynamic means you can then learn to report on the courts (known players, conflict, result) or the legislature, or the water board, wherever there is conflict, you’ve learned that there is always another story to tell.
There is always something more.
sab
@HumboldtBlue: And their audience wants facts, not spin
ETA I got goosebumps watching her. So young, so professional.
SpaceUnit
Lotta anger boils up when a dude realizes deep down that he’ll
probablynever get laid.sab
@SpaceUnit: Idiot. Cheapskate. There are professionals out there.
ETA Incels can always get laid. They will just have to pay for it. This isn’t rocket science.
Soprano2
I read on Twitter that at the Turning Point conference TFG said he wanted to give himself the Congressional Medal of Honor but was told it would be inappropriate. 🤮🤮🤮🤮 That is so gross. How anyone who has been in the military can support him I will never understand.
eclare
@Soprano2: In 2004 somehow John Kerry’s service in Vietnam became a negative. I have no idea.
sab
@Soprano2: What a demented jerk. If you give yourself a medal it means nothing beyond you like yourself.
We really should focus on not electing madmen to run our country.
SpaceUnit
@sab:
Please. These bozos live in their moms’ basement. They can barely afford bus fair to the klan meeting.
ETA: And if they ever got a windfall they’d blow it on guns.
sab
@SpaceUnit: You have a point. Maybe Mom should spend money on hookers not assault rifles.
HumboldtBlue
Women’s 4×100 Team USA world champions!
sab
@HumboldtBlue: Everyone can say that we had home field advantage, but these guys broke many world records.
I wasn’t much interested, but my spouse was a high school track star, and he has been thrilled. The girls outran everything he ever did. While jumping hurdles. He is so proud of them.
Mallard Filmore
@sab:
That is sad, and I mean that without scorn. The only human comfort they will know is what they can buy.
sab
@Mallard Filmore: Sad, but better than them mass slaughtering in frustration.
HumboldtBlue
Speaking of sports reporting, here’s Jim Salisbury.
Castellanos if he heard the boos tonight. “No man I lost my hearing…that’s a stupid question.” Big Money Bum has lost his hearing and his ability to hit.
BeautifulPlumage
Oof, went down the rabbit hole…one file has 63 images of lost & found items, probably a PF camping thingy. Looks like the incels left sleeping bags, tents, tent parts, neck pillows…a very organized bunch.
And watching them flail about trying to hang a banner on an overpass? Lovely.
left tents, sleeping bags, tent parts, neck pillows,
something fabulous
I will say, I was actually *in* a Ren Faire for two summers in the 90s and we had to learn stage combat for the various melees and things, and all of our wenches and drunken sailors and mud beggars looked far more ferocious than this, in costume OR in sweatpants still in rehearsal.
Huzzah.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Soprano2: That would’ve have been hilariously bizarre if Trump had done that. I can see him having the medal on a cardboard cut out of himself.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
If they these Patriot Front bois joined something like the SCA/HEMA/MMA they would be involved in an actual martial art, with rules and lots of people are who more skilled at it than they are, plus the usual, get your ars kicked a lot until you get good. This way they can pose as bad ass in their own little pond without having to work at it.
NotMax
@Soprano2
The word Congressional is outright strike one; award nominees are voted on by act of Congress. That it applies only to recipients active in the military at the time of their achievement(s) (the c-in-c is not a military rank, it is a civilian status position), that’s strike two. The standards for consideration are strike three:
Theoretically* the Congressional Gold Medal could be voted on to be awarded.
*(much //)
Tony Jay
Is the SCA the one that’s “The Middle Ages as they should have been”?
Tell you what, though. In the event of civilisational collapse and the kind of ‘freedom to be yourself’ these incels think they crave, my money is on the guys and gals in the chainmail and surcoats.
Rusty
@sab: They could meet someone, but that would require being a decent person, thinking of the other person, compromise and more. It’s also requires being realistic. They won’t, like the rest of us, be dating a supermodel, and that person isn’t going to cater to your every need. That all take work and change. They would go up a lot just in the attempt. There is someone out there for each of them, they are just to lazy and self centered to find them.
Marmot
Are PF members self-described incels?
eclare
@Marmot: What does PF mean? I googled it, no luck.
Tony Jay
@eclare:
Patriot Front. The paramilitary cosplay wing of Reddit’s Incel sub-culture.
eclare
@Tony Jay: Thanks! I was trying to work out how it could be Proud Boys with no luck.
raven
@Soprano2: Maybe because there is no such thing as “The Congressional Medal of Honor”?
Geminid
@BeautifulPlumage: In the aftermath of 31 Patriot Front members getting arrested in Cour D’Alene(sp?) Idaho, reporters Patrick Malone and Jim Brunner of The Seattle Times wrote an article about Patriot Front and its local members. It’s a good, long article titled “Patriot Front arrests in Idaho unmask a new generation of hate groups” June 19 2022.
Evidently most PF members have jobs, and a few have girlfriends. PF members are told to keep their affiliation on the downlow; when they go on these weekend trainings they are instructed to tell family or girlfriends that they are just going camping.
The exercise in the first video looks like it’s directed at imaginary Antifa opponents. This may never amount to more than a recruiting and bonding exercise, but I think the organizers have bigger things in mind for the future. Then they won’t be leaving their firearms at home.
Something else that stands out in these videos is that the PF guys favor khakis and polo shirts even for training, and they also affect the hitler haircut- long on top and short on the sides
Tony Jay
@eclare:
From the looks of it these are the runts who couldn’t get into the Proud Boys because their fake IDs weren’t convincing enough to fool the doormen at Hooters.
raven
Shalimar
@sab: Even the most pathetic, worthless guys make a positive impression on a handful of women a year, and vice versa. It’s about finding someone we’re happy with, not winning a beauty contest.
Incels’ problem is they obsess so much about “hot” women who can’t stand them that they can’t pick up signals from those who might be interested with any effort at all.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
A good analysis of that sort of mindset can be found by feeding the term “Objectivist jerky” into your search engine of choice. John Scalzi is discussing taxes-as-theft libertarians, but the analysis is also good for these Patriot Front cosplay guerillas.
Alternatively, play through the original Bioshock.
Feathers
@Rusty: And one of the tragedies is that if one of them does meet an actual human woman who would make a good life partner, the guy’s friends will bully him and run her off. Saw it happen many times. An actual woman who is a match in attractiveness is a danger to the fantasy of the perfect woman (and the friend group) so there is huge pressure about how ugly she is and he can do better. Tragic.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
And as for TFG awarding himself a Medal of Honor, I’m reminded of the old Soviet joke:
MagdaInBlack
@BeautifulPlumage: I fell down that rabbit hole too. That was probably me you heard snickering and snorting in disgust.
Ken
To steal a line from Neil Gaiman, if they really wanted to re-create the Middle Ages, they’d spray you with shit as you walk through the gate.
(Hob Gadling in “Sunday Mourning“.)
Tony G
These dweebs re-enacting their favorite gladiator movies.
Tony G
@SpaceUnit: The irony is that most of these idiots WOULD get laid if they were willing and able to treat women like people instead of treating them like a collection of body parts. People — even these jerks — CAN change for the better if they are willing to try. But these guys are happy in their misogynistic, fascist world. They have made their choice and they do not want to change.
Liminal Owl
@sab: The Markland Medieval Mercenary Militia?
@Tony Jay: Good choice. Though, alas, it brings to mind a guy I knew in early 1980, who wanted to marshal a group of SCA fighters to go rescue the hostages in Iran. (For that matter, he was the one who told me of Marklanders.)
Anne Laurie
@Ken: As I’ve heard any time in the last fifty years: It’s the Society for Creative Anachronism, not for Compulsive Authenticity!
Tony G
@Tony G: (Why, yes — I did take Psychology 101 in 1974.)
lofgren
When I was younger, I took boxing through the YMCA and martial arts through a theater program near my house.
I don’t think these guys are starved for other ways to find male companionship and train to toughen themselves up, if that’s what they want.
Looking at them, I’d say it’s pretty clear they are not looking for companionship or training. They are looking to LARP once a month doing fake military drills.
If their goal was actually to learn a skill and make friends, they would look like people who put up their dukes more than once a decade.
Miss Bianca
@Anne Laurie: I quoted another Doonesbury cartoon at a neighbor the other night – “your loss, Toots!” – which only earned me a bemused stare and a rambling on about how his dad used to use the word “Toots”.
Oh, well. I would use the excuse, “I’m old,” for the apparent comprehension gap, but this particular neighbor is older than me. (And drunker, now I come to think of it.)
The Pale Scot
Love the CV. “Fit, not overweight, can benchpress 135lb
That’s me ……………..in eight grade
WaterGirl
@Soprano2:
Oh my god. The pathetic man is a caricature of his awful self.
CaseyL
I was involved in the SCA for a few years, as my then-boyfriend was a swordmaker. Since he was a Merchant, we didn’t get directly involved in the court drama – and, boy howdy, was there a lot of that! It struck me that people join organizations like the SCA for fun – and then, the longer they’re involved, the more seriously they take it, and bring to it all the stuff they were hoping to escape from: the status seeking, the competitiveness, the backbiting and scandal-mongering, etc. etc. It was amusing but also sad.
I was in/around the SCA long enough that I stopped thinking of the outfits we wore as “costumes,” they were just “clothes.” I do love medieval fashion, especially for women: very comfortable (no corsets!), and flattering to nearly all body types.
I love history, and enjoy being in that kind of milieu – though for a long time, I was hoping to find a similar organization that centered on the Ancient World. I would love to have found a cosplay group for, say, the Minoans/Mycaeneans. Never did, possibly because there isn’t enough information about those societies to make a framework.
Anyway, my long-winded point is one I made in the first paragraph: People sometimes get into these organizations to escape their regular-life blues, but wind up recreating the problems they had in their regular lives.
VOR
@WaterGirl: He gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to such worthies as Rush Limbaugh, Devin Nunes, and Gym Jordan.
Trine
@Liminal Owl: i was waiting for someone to name Markland! Those were good times…!
Helen
@Geminid: This is enlightening information. I think dismissing these Nazi’s as inept and laughable is wrong. They are learning and will become more skillful. We will regret ignoring the danger they represent
Taliesin WW
@CaseyL:
I don’t know how many years ago you were SCA, but in the last decade there has been a lot of expansion: we have Native American personas, more Asian and East Asian personas, as archeology digs deeper and access to it expands, we have expanded too. Also the obscure groups embedded geographically in the bread and butter groups have more focus: sure you can be Norse still, but being Sami is pretty cool also. DEI Officer is a position now. The rules about only European heraldry have been modified to include the rest of the world. And as more people do Aztec or Mongol etc., they pave the way and provide resources to the other people who wanted to but didn’t know where to start to find information.
So if you want to take a peek at your local chapter, and see if you can find some support to be Ancient Minoan or Sumerian or whatever, I can say you will most likely be the first, but that you will likely find people supporting your efforts.
Chris T.
@sab:
Sports reporters are (a) professional reporters who are (b) read by sports fans and hence must be accurate.
Other reporters meet criterion (a) but not (b): their readers know nothing of what they’re reporting on and hence they don’t have to be good. Others (e.g., bloggers) may write for fans, meeting (b), but don’t meet criterion (a).
eddie blake
@Chris T.: not to mention all the money involved. people gambling on the games need the numbers and facts straight.
Ruckus
@sab:
Yes, but. They don’t seem smart enough to actually make money working, so how are they going to pay for it?
Ruckus
@WaterGirl:
“The pathetic man is a caricature of his awful self.”
What would you expect, he’s not smart, he’s not good, and he thinks the world revolves around the stick he put up his own……
jackmac
@HumboldtBlue: As a former sportswriter I couldn’t agree more.
MinuteMan
@Rusty: Even the odious Steven Miller found a wife and together they can dream of a life where they can commit crimes against humanity together. A happy ending?