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Who Wants A Site Update?

by WaterGirl|  July 25, 20222:59 pm| 83 Comments

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Who wants a site update?

I needed to write something up so I can update Cole and I figured why not update everyone?

I had to clear away a bunch of debris after the merge in order to get a better feel for where things stand, and I thought this might be a good time for an update.

The has been a bit like trying to untangle a very fine chain necklace that has turned into a big, fat tangled knot.  You have to work around the edges until you find a way in, and then work slowly from there.  So that’s where we are now; I have done some of that untangling so the picture is getting clearer.

50 posts were dated 1970, so I had to track each one of those down and fix them.  done!  *That was fun.

750 draft posts were published during the merge :-( so I had to track those down and corral them back into drafts.  done!

There were a boatload of posts that showed “[email protected]” as the author, but that number should have been zero since they had authored no posts before the merge.   Thank goodness for standard posts like the Covid posts, Medium Cool, David Anderson, etc.  After that I had to do track most of them down one by one.  done!

There are no images in the Media Library until 2008, and I find it hard to believe that it took 6 years for Cole and Tim to figure out how to add an image to the post.  The developers say they have never been there and it’s true that they are not in the “20 years of balloon juice” server I still have access to, but with the months testing I did before the site rebuild I KNOW I would have noticed no images until 2008.  So this is all I’ve got on that.  🤷‍♀️

It appears that many/most of the posts until 2006 had zero comments, which, again, I certainly don’t recall that being the case past the first year or so as I was doing all the site testing, but I am seeing the same thing on the restored “20 years of balloon juice” site I still have access to.  So this is all I’ve got on that.  🤷‍♀️

On the road is a total **clusterfuck after the merge, well at least the ones since we got new-old Balloon Juice on May 29.  It is unclear if/how/whether that can get sorted.  The devs are thinking about what they can do/whether they can do anything about that.  Fingers crossed.

All the @replies from new-old Balloon Juice are broken – in all 572 posts that have a total of 50,000 comments.  The @replies work by referencing the comment # you are replying to, and when we merged, all the comment numbers changed.  Damn the laws of physics that say you must have only have one comment with any particular number.  This is not fixable.  I knew we were in trouble when I saw that the @replies were broken – because I couldn’t see any way that that could be fixed – but even so I was hoping that the site dev who is an amazingly clever programmer might have a way.  He does not.  So it is what it is.

I’d like to finish with two things.

First: Compared to thinking that we had lost everything, that we had lost all our history, that we had lost all 20 years of Balloon Juice, this stuff is small potatoes.  I am infinitely grateful to have Balloon Juice back.

Second: Now that the broken glass has mostly been swept away and I have a better sense of where we stand, feel free to share any new oddities you have noticed now that we have a new mother ship for Balloon Juice.  I’m not talking about things like duplicate or near-duplicate categories or rotating tags.  There is still a lot of cleanup to be done.  But if you notice a pattern or notice something unusual, this is the place to say so.  And now is the time to say it while I still have access to the 3 previous iterations of Balloon Juice  so I can check on the originals.

*Please feel free to add “that was fun” to the end of each line in this post, because this has not been one of the most fun things ever.

** Clusterfuck is a technical term.

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    July 25, 2022 at 3:03 pm

    I emailed Cole that he needs to dock your pay until Recent Comments comes back.  I miss that feature.

  2. 2.

    scav

    July 25, 2022 at 3:05 pm

    Absolutely that was fun.

    Somehow I also find the @situation very mopping-naked-with-mustard in-an-empty-field-too-near-the-willow kind of appropriate.

  3. 3.

    Adam Lang

    July 25, 2022 at 3:07 pm

    I’ve fixed comment ids before, by going into one of the databases pre-merge and adding 10 billion to every ID in every table, and every column that refers to those IDs. It took some doing, but it worked.

  4. 4.

    PST

    July 25, 2022 at 3:07 pm

    Thank you a million times over, WG. You don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone.

  5. 5.

    Miss Bianca

    July 25, 2022 at 3:09 pm

    I’m still just so boggled that you have been able to deal with the clusterfuck as competently and cheerfully as you have done, WG. Thank you for your service!

  6. 6.

    Motivated Seller

    July 25, 2022 at 3:09 pm

    I’ve noticed that there is no longer a link to the previous post, and the following post, that appears at the bottom of some of the newest blog posts.  I use(d) that navigation tool every time I read the blog and I miss it.

  7. 7.

    lowtechcyclist

    July 25, 2022 at 3:12 pm

    I’m just amazed that just about everything’s back, just about the way it’s supposed to be.  WTG, WaterGirl!

  8. 8.

    Rob

    July 25, 2022 at 3:14 pm

    I have nothing to say other than thank you, WaterGirl, for dealing with all of this!

  9. 9.

    WaterGirl

    July 25, 2022 at 3:14 pm

    @Adam Lang: Yeah, we tried to have a conversation on Friday about whether to back up a step, go back to new-old balloon juice, and start the merge again at a later date, but the devs weren’t willing to have that conversation.

  10. 10.

    Lapassionara

    July 25, 2022 at 3:15 pm

    Many many thanks, WaterGirl.

  11. 11.

    Old School

    July 25, 2022 at 3:16 pm

    Thanks for all your work putting the site back together, WaterGirl! Everybody owes you a cupcake.

  12. 12.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    July 25, 2022 at 3:16 pm

    WG, you are a wonder!  Thank you for all your work and the time you have put into this restoration.

  13. 13.

    eclare

    July 25, 2022 at 3:17 pm

    Thank you so much for all of your hard and dedicated work on this WaterGirl!  We would be in a no-man’s land without you.

    The feature from before the fire that I miss the most is getting an auto tweet from Cole that there was a new post.  I don’t know how that worked or if that is technically site related, but it was very helpful to me.  I have to think at least a few others liked that too.

    Small potatoes in the grand scheme, but thought I would mention it.

  14. 14.

    WaterGirl

    July 25, 2022 at 3:18 pm

    @Motivated Seller: I still have that on my laptop.  I just checked and i still have that on my iPad.

    And I checked and I still have that on my phone.

    What device are you using?

    edit: Also, are you talking about the arrows at the top in the white menu bar?  Or the fly-outs at the side?

  15. 15.

    NotMax

    July 25, 2022 at 3:20 pm

    Well, that was fun.

    :)

  16. 16.

    Alison Rose 💙🌻💛

    July 25, 2022 at 3:20 pm

    Dang, woman. If I lived near you, I’d supply you with your daily double cupcake dose for the next six months. Thank you for all the tedious work you’ve done to get this place all spruced up again!!

  17. 17.

    Dangerman

    July 25, 2022 at 3:20 pm

    Curiously, Cole’s been busy clearing things as well.

  18. 18.

    WaterGirl

    July 25, 2022 at 3:24 pm

    @eclare:

    …that I miss the most is getting an auto tweet from Cole that there was a new post.

    Not to worry, that will be back.  Every post since 5/14 was being tweeted out at the beginning of the merge process, so John deactivated his twitter and we turned that plugin off.

    Trying to figure out how to turn that back on without the plugin playign catch-up on 550 posts!

  19. 19.

    Benw

    July 25, 2022 at 3:28 pm

    U Rawk Watergirl!

  20. 20.

    NotMax

    July 25, 2022 at 3:29 pm

    Is there any reason the temporary interim jackal action replacement site data couldn’t be separated from the archives and placed into its own segregated enclave? It would still be there but function more like an appendix to the main site.

  21. 21.

    frosty

    July 25, 2022 at 3:29 pm

    Unknotting the chain sounds like some of the unpleasant tasks I had to do at work, like trying to figure out why my project was over budget. I called it Foremsic Spreadsheets.

    And yes, “that was fun” certainly applied.

    Thanks for all your hard work. I don’t know what we’d do without you and I’m  happy to report that I see no glitches.

  22. 22.

    trollhattan

    July 25, 2022 at 3:30 pm

    I was amazed to learn that clusterfuck and star cluster are two completely different things.

    And thank you for your service, WG.

  23. 23.

    WaterGirl

    July 25, 2022 at 3:32 pm

    @NotMax: What would the point be?

  24. 24.

    Xantar

    July 25, 2022 at 3:33 pm

    I remember some talk about legal action being taken against the web host? Has anything happened with that

  25. 25.

    HeleninEire

    July 25, 2022 at 3:34 pm

    Thank you for everything, WaterGirl. You are the BEST!

  26. 26.

    Baud

    July 25, 2022 at 3:34 pm

    OT. Biden felt well enough to hold a zoom conference today.  👍

  27. 27.

    stinger

    July 25, 2022 at 3:34 pm

    I’m surprised how much I miss the Recent Comments feature. It quickly answered the question “Where is everybody?”  But that’s not a criticism! You have done an amazing job putting huge amounts of scrambled data back together.  (My IANAD where D = Developer take on things.) Thank you a thousand times!

  28. 28.

    Eunoia

    July 25, 2022 at 3:35 pm

    That is why I do not use blogging tools. Just handwritten html and css. Much more stable.

  29. 29.

    Eunoia

    July 25, 2022 at 3:35 pm

    That is why I do not use blogging tools. Just handwritten html and css. Much more stable.

  30. 30.

    eclare

    July 25, 2022 at 3:37 pm

    @WaterGirl:   Thank you!

  31. 31.

    HumboldtBlue

    July 25, 2022 at 3:41 pm

    Can’t say thank enough or too loudly. So thank you so much, WG, just having the site back is enough to get up and dance.

  32. 32.

    Motivated Seller

    July 25, 2022 at 3:41 pm

    @WaterGirl: Never mind.  I was confusing Balloon Juice navigation set up with another site that I regularly visit. (D’OH!)

  33. 33.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    July 25, 2022 at 3:42 pm

    @trollhattan: Star clusters are amazing things, clusterfuck, not so much.

  34. 34.

    Ken

    July 25, 2022 at 3:43 pm

    Thank you for all your hard work on this.  I admit that if I were faced with the blog equivalent of

    The has been a bit like trying to untangle a very fine chain necklace that has turned into a big, fat tangled knot.  You have to work around the edges until you find a way in, and then work slowly from there.

    I might have gone with the “eh, the big knot looks OK” approach.

  35. 35.

    NotMax

    July 25, 2022 at 3:44 pm

    @WaterGirl

    Got the impression from your post that replication of comment numbers was proving to be a headache. This would sidestep that bugaboo.

  36. 36.

    Baud

    July 25, 2022 at 3:45 pm

    @Ken: Same.

  37. 37.

    Ken

    July 25, 2022 at 3:48 pm

    @Eunoia: That is why I do not use blogging tools. Just handwritten html and css. Much more stable.

    For stability, I prefer .txt files.

    Besides, HTML+CSS is Turing-complete, and once that happens you can’t promise anything at all.

  38. 38.

    Doug R

    July 25, 2022 at 3:49 pm

    Noting the comment number changes- about a decade ago my bank, one of the largest in Canada decided to do an update. Since they are 5 1/2 time zones and millions of transactions a day, they decided to go with assigned numbers instead of timestamps seeing as satellite hookups and computer clocks can wobble.
    The whole system crashed on Tuesday when every Ontario government employee got paid and it only got worse on Thursday when every Federal employee got paid.
    Took over a week to clear, it was so bad the bank was offering no service charge overdraft.
    So it could be worse.

  39. 39.

    Dr. Daniel Price (Saint Vincent)

    July 25, 2022 at 3:52 pm

    Thank you for your work on this project.

  40. 40.

    Scout211

    July 25, 2022 at 4:01 pm

    To: WaterGirl and the whole backstage crew

    From: Scout211

    I am very happy with whatever you do.

    And very grateful.

    ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

  41. 41.

    MomSense

    July 25, 2022 at 4:03 pm

    Let’s all email Cole WELL THAT WAS FUN
    He will probably think we are talking about his day.

    Thanks, WG for doing all of this. You’re amazing!

  42. 42.

    WaterGirl

    July 25, 2022 at 4:06 pm

    @Xantar: No legal action against the web host. Legal action BY the web host against the cloud data center provider.  It’s going, no updates.

  43. 43.

    WaterGirl

    July 25, 2022 at 4:07 pm

    @Motivated Seller: So you can get to previous and next posts here okay?

    How does the other site do it that you love so much?

  44. 44.

    WaterGirl

    July 25, 2022 at 4:08 pm

    @NotMax: Ah.  We would still have to have pulled in new-old Balloon Juice.

  45. 45.

    Adam Lang

    July 25, 2022 at 4:20 pm

    @WaterGirl: Blah. ‘We’re sorry, we don’t want to do any more work for you, it’s icky’ is a hard thing to fight with.

  46. 46.

    lashonharangue

    July 25, 2022 at 4:26 pm

    Thanks WG for tackling this and for all the other things you do to keep the lights on for the FPers and the rest of us.

  47. 47.

    eachother

    July 25, 2022 at 4:32 pm

    Is there a page for Balloon-Juice beginners?

    Six, seven years. Still a beginner.

    Thanks WaterGirl.  🐠🐠

  48. 48.

    PAM Dirac

    July 25, 2022 at 4:33 pm

    @Ken: Off topic, but you were wondering about Derek Lowe’s take on the beta-amyloid mess, it’s now up.

  49. 49.

    Jackie NC

    July 25, 2022 at 4:35 pm

    The Amazon link is gone again.

    Thanks for all you do

  50. 50.

    H.E.Wolf

    July 25, 2022 at 4:35 pm

    Renewed thanks for everything you’ve done to bring the site back! Truly a labor of skill, persistence, and love.

  51. 51.

    Old School

    July 25, 2022 at 4:38 pm

    It appears that many/most of the posts until 2006 had zero comments

    Over the next week, everybody needs to go back and repost their comments from 2006 and earlier to help with the rebuild.

  52. 52.

    WaterGirl

    July 25, 2022 at 4:42 pm

    @Alison Rose 💙🌻💛: I did have to make some more chocolate cupcakes this weekend.

    I guess there’s a worse drug of choice?

  53. 53.

    WaterGirl

    July 25, 2022 at 4:44 pm

    @Jackie NC:   Thanks!  All better?

    You’ll have to try it and let me know if it works.

  54. 54.

    Suzanne

    July 25, 2022 at 4:47 pm

    We call clusterfucks cornflakes in polite company.

  55. 55.

    Alison Rose 💙🌻💛

    July 25, 2022 at 4:48 pm

    FYI, I’m now getting a pop-up window asking me to sign in any time I use the navigation arrows to the previous or next post or post a comment. I can just click cancel and it goes away, but wanted to let you know. I’m using Chrome on desktop on a Macbook.

  56. 56.

    Old School

    July 25, 2022 at 4:53 pm

    @Alison Rose 💙🌻💛: I’m getting the pop up as well.

  57. 57.

    Albatrossity

    July 25, 2022 at 4:53 pm

    WG, you deserve chocolate, for sure! I’m sure most of us have absolutely no clue about the amount of work you’ve already done. Once Cole comes out from under the anesthesia, and gets some more fiber in his diet, he should send you a lifetime subscription to some chocolatier monthly care package!

  58. 58.

    WaterGirl

    July 25, 2022 at 4:53 pm

    @Baud: @stinger:

    We had a custom Recent Comments created during the site rebuild, but that has disappeared.

    Until I can get an answer from our site development people about why that disappeared, I have added a generic Recent Comments.

    Maybe that will tide you guys over.

  59. 59.

    WaterGirl

    July 25, 2022 at 4:55 pm

    @Alison Rose 💙🌻💛: Are you referring to the fly-outs on the side?  Or the right and left arrows in the white menu bar at the top?

  60. 60.

    WaterGirl

    July 25, 2022 at 4:56 pm

    @Alison Rose 💙🌻💛: @Old School:

    When did this start?

  61. 61.

    Gin & Tonic

    July 25, 2022 at 4:56 pm

    @WaterGirl: I get the sign-in prompt on pretty much anything that refreshes the page

    ETA: Started within the last 45 minutes or so. Was out amusing the dogs, so can’t be sure.

  62. 62.

    Bill Arnold

    July 25, 2022 at 4:56 pm

    @Alison Rose 💙🌻💛:
    Likewise, got the login popup. (Cancel worked, IIRC) When I went back to check before pressing Post Comment just now, the popup was gone

    ETA popup is back.

  63. 63.

    Alison Rose 💙🌻💛

    July 25, 2022 at 5:00 pm

    @WaterGirl: The little arrows at the top of the screen. Just started happening maybe in the last hour or so.

  64. 64.

    WaterGirl

    July 25, 2022 at 5:00 pm

    Everyone:  Is the popup gone now

    Okay, yay it’s gone!  That was my fault, something I did when I put the Amazon links in the side.  (oops, no chocolate for me)

    Thanks to all who let me know ASAP.

  65. 65.

    Old School

    July 25, 2022 at 5:01 pm

    @WaterGirl: Pop-up is gone.

  66. 66.

    Bill Arnold

    July 25, 2022 at 5:02 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Appears to be gone, yes.

  67. 67.

    Gin & Tonic

    July 25, 2022 at 5:04 pm

    @WaterGirl: Yes.

  68. 68.

    Ken

    July 25, 2022 at 5:05 pm

    @PAM Dirac: Thank you, I saw it earlier. Interestingly, he doesn’t feel the (alleged) fraud caused much waste of research dollars, in that people were already focusing on the amyloids.

  69. 69.

    Redshift

    July 25, 2022 at 5:07 pm

    I have one quirk that is not from the merge, but started (I think) after the “real” version of the temporary site got going and continues to this day.

    On desktop Firefox, I click on a reply button, I intermittently get a comment box with no @name and that I can’t type into. If I do a hard refresh on the page (cmd-shift-R), it starts working, but will often be broken again after I post a comment.

    Like I said, it’s intermittent and I have a workaround for it, so I never got around to reporting it when it first started, but it ought to go on the list. I never see it on my phone, just desktop.

  70. 70.

    Redshift

    July 25, 2022 at 5:09 pm

    @Ken:

    Thank you, I saw it earlier. Interestingly, he doesn’t feel the (alleged) fraud caused much waste of research dollars, in that people were already focusing on the amyloids.

    That’s true, but I have to wonder if it made it harder for people working on non-amyloid mechanisms to get funded.

  71. 71.

    PAM Dirac

    July 25, 2022 at 5:17 pm

    @Ken: Yeah it’s  not my field, but I kind of suspected that. Amyloids were big way before 2006 so the idea that if this paper hadn’t been published, the amyoid hypothesis would have died out didn’t seem at all likely.

  72. 72.

    Alison Rose 💙🌻💛

    July 25, 2022 at 5:21 pm

    @WaterGirl: It hath been yeeted.

  73. 73.

    Ken

    July 25, 2022 at 5:33 pm

    @Redshift: @PAM Dirac: And in other off-topic (but somewhat related) news, Martin Shkreli has announced he is starting a web3 drug discovery platform. Shkreli just spent five years in prison for fraud, and been banned for life from the pharmaceutical industry.

    Announcement courtesy of Molly White’s site, and my thanks to whoever recommended that a couple of months ago.

  74. 74.

    PAM Dirac

    July 25, 2022 at 5:47 pm

    @Ken: The bullshit density in that announcement is enormous. I’m not interested enough to find out what the con is, but there is certainly no reality there.

  75. 75.

    stinger

    July 25, 2022 at 5:53 pm

    @WaterGirl: Ta ever so!

  76. 76.

    Ken

    July 25, 2022 at 6:17 pm

    @PAM Dirac: I’m waiting for him to explain it to a judge. “Yes, your honor, I have a lifetime ban from anything related to the pharmaceutical industry, but there’s absolutely no chance my web3 drug design company will ever produce anything, much less any pharmaceutical patents or products.”

  77. 77.

    Redshift

    July 25, 2022 at 6:23 pm

    @Ken: He must be like a kid in a candy shop, going to prison for committing fraud the old-fashioned way, and emerging to find there are whole new automated fraud platforms to play with!

  78. 78.

    PAM Dirac

    July 25, 2022 at 6:28 pm

    @Ken: LOL. I noticed that the announcement said there was no charge, so that’s why I knew there had to be some other con; sell the suckers services? load malware and steal god knows what?. One thing is certain. No pharmaceutical products will come out of it.

  79. 79.

    Fair Economist

    July 25, 2022 at 7:03 pm

    Thanks again for all your great work! Sounds like most of the early era problem were in either the backup or the restore. I’m guessing it’s mostly fixable, but might take some significant work. Also very possible the old provider didn’t send all the relevant files (for a number of different reasons).

    All the @replies from new-old Balloon Juice are broken – in all 572 posts that have a total of 50,000 comments.  The @replies work by referencing the comment # you are replying to, and when we merged, all the comment numbers changed.  Damn the laws of physics that say you must have only have one comment with any particular number.  This is not fixable.  I knew we were in trouble when I saw that the @replies were broken – because I couldn’t see any way that that could be fixed – but even so I was hoping that the site dev who is an amazingly clever programmer might have a way.  He does not.  So it is what it is.

    Um, if the comments are editable that’s a relatively easy fix by code if both databases are accessible. I did similar things many years ago in my previous life as a database programmer. I know programmers don’t come cheap and it might not be worth doing but it should be pretty doable.

  80. 80.

    Ivan X

    July 25, 2022 at 7:07 pm

    Well, your site update was fun.

    How do we pay you or something? I can at least pay you in adulation.

  81. 81.

    Ella in New Mexico

    July 25, 2022 at 7:35 pm

    You and all the wonderful folks who do the technical support for us are frigging heroes. Thank you so very, very much for all the suffering you’ve done to keep us afloat here.

    You are AMAZEBALLS.

  82. 82.

    Nancy

    July 26, 2022 at 3:40 am

    I didn’t know how important Balloon Juice is until I couldn’t get to it. I knew I couldn’t because something something but I forgot.

    I deeply appreciate you, WG, for your presence as well as your hard work on the site.

    Checking in gives me as much of a routine and structure as I can handle.

  83. 83.

    Baquist

    July 26, 2022 at 11:42 am

    Thank you so much for all your work on this.   You’re awesome!

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