Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.

If you still can’t see these things even now, maybe politics isn’t your forte and you should stop writing about it.

Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.

If you tweet it in all caps, that makes it true!

So very ready.

Find someone who loves you the way trump and maga love traitors.

Dear legacy media: you are not here to influence outcomes and policies you find desirable.

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires Republicans to act in good faith.

Wow, I can’t imagine what it was like to comment in morse code.

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

Fucking consultants! (of the political variety)

This fight is for everything.

Do not shrug your shoulders and accept the normalization of untruths.

Damn right I heard that as a threat.

Stamping your little feets and demanding that they see how important you are? Not working anymore.

Our job is not to persuade republicans but to defeat them.

Jack be nimble, jack be quick, hurry up and indict this prick.

Narcissists are always shocked to discover other people have agency.

’Where will you hide, Roberts, the laws all being flat?’

Fight them, without becoming them!

I would try pessimism, but it probably wouldn’t work.

Everything is totally normal and fine!!!

Today’s gop: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

There are some who say that there are too many strawmen arguments on this blog.

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Marc Short is a lifelong ‘conservative MBA’ for the Republican party (i.e., not a good person), but unlike Liz Cheney, he’s not giving up on the rotted GOP structure just yet. Bring in a team of professional exterminators, he figures, shoot the diseased raccoons and rabies-carrying bats that have taken up residence in the attic — maybe hire one of those companies that provides hazmat fumigation after a murder / suicide — plenty of good years left in the old place, in lieu of burning it to the ground. (Or in lieu of burning Marc Short’s career to the ground, at least.)

If you believe Tim Miller, Short’s GOP colleagues are not gonna make it easy…

We are all, by now, familiar with the most appalling, “boy did that age poorly” anonymous quote in the history of American politics, published by the Washington Post less than two months before the deadly siege of the U.S. Capitol and the attempted assassination of the vice president:

“What’s the downside for humoring him?” they mused…

The quote was rattling around my brain last Thursday night as I watched Liz Cheney ruthlessly eviscerate her cowering colleagues like a lioness gnawing on a carcass in an NC-17 nature documentary. But it was during that savage meal that something rather alarming occurred to me.

Liz might be winning the argument for history and in my living room. But in present-day Republican politics, that anonymous “what’s the downside for humoring him” moron actually won the day. And not just that day, but today. Because despite how brutally and blatantly their strategy in managing Trump’s psychopathy failed, Senior Republican Officials (SROs) are still employing it…

The SRO’s argument was premised on the (wildly off-base) presupposition that the former guy was just gonna stomp his feet and smear his ketchup on the wall and then move on from the whole coup thing after a few weeks of sucking on his Bedminster-branded pacifier.

You see, back in November 2020, at least the SROs thought that there was an expiration date on their cowardice. They figured that, come January 20, 2021, Trump would be gone and they would no longer have to humor him.

Today the strategy has been modified only in the removal of an expected end date.

The new posture the GOP Smart Set has settled on for dealing with Trump is: “What’s the downside for humoring him . . . until he dies.”…

The obvious subtext to this argument is that even in a hypothetical scenario where DeSantis or someone of his ilk were to dispatch Trump, that victorious candidate would still be forced to continue humoring Trump’s mania in the general election and beyond so as to keep the coalition together.

You wouldn’t want to do anything that might limit the enthusiasm of the Very Fine People who came to the National Mall on January 6th, right? Right?…

After all, the downside for humoring him for just a little more time is likely to be felt by other people. And the upside of humoring? That accrues directly to the Republicans who want power.

But don’t worry. Eventually they’ll be able to tell the truth. Probably.

As long as he’s the one who croaks first.

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  4. 4.

    Alison Rose 💙🌻💛

    Gaetz really has some fucking chutzpah, in the worst way possible.

    OT but speaking of non-cowards, Zelenskyy was awarded the Winston Churchill Leadership Award and it was a really moving video. Some dude from the awarding society spoke first followed by Johnson, Zelenskyy’s remarks start at about the 11:30 mark. It was lovely to hear the praise and recognition from the other guys, for him and for the whole of Ukraine.

  6. 6.

    Kropacetic

    Marc Short is a lifelong professional ‘conservative MBA’ for the Republican party (i.e., not a good person), but unlike Liz Cheney, he’s not giving up on the rotted GOP structure just yet. Bring in a team of professional exterminators, he figures, shoot the diseased raccoons and rabies-carrying bats that have taken up residence in the attic

    He looked from rabid bat to self, then self to bat, then bat to self again and could not tell which was which.

  7. 7.

    Raoul Paste

    It will be a strange day when Trump actually dies.  Celebrations on one hand, and every moneymaking scam conceivable on the other.
    The usual suspects will think, “how do I monetise this?”   Mark my words

  8. 8.

    UncleEbeneezer

    New: Former Trump acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller testified to Jan. 6 committee “there was no order” from Trump to have 10,000 troops on the ready for January 6, debunking what Meadows claimed on Fox News.

  9. 9.

    Elizabelle

    @Raoul Paste:   I just want it to be from prison.

    And sounds like some of those Secret Service critters belong in there too, protecting his orange (jumpsuit!) ass.

  10. 10.

    RobertB

    @schrodingers_cat: I’ve never eaten mayo on a hot dog.  Can one of you cool kids out there tell me if that’s part of the joke?  Or are the kids these days eating mayo on hot dogs?

    Although I like mayo, I’m not eating it on a hot dog.

  12. 12.

    SpaceUnit

    @Suzanne:

    Unless they want to deliver wheelbarrows full of urinal cakes to the gravesite every day they ought to bury him secretly in a giant landfill.

  14. 14.

    Elizabelle

    @Suzanne:   Not Arlington.  No way.  Does not belong.  Would bring dishonor to the whole cemetery.

    Believe he might be thinking of the NJ Trump golf course?  Anyway, prison first.  For a long time.   Lots of court, lots of perp walks, lots of  the whole family getting cash shaken out of their pockets.

  17. 17.

    Another Scott

    ObOpenThread – RollCall:

    […]

    The bill is a trimmed-down version of a broader economic competitiveness package the Senate passed last year. After bicameral conference negotiations to resolve differences between that measure and a House-passed version hit snags, including on trade, the Senate pulled out chips and science provisions with the hopes of wrapping up a package by the time lawmakers left for their summer break.

    The chips-plus package includes $54 billion in five-year grants for semiconductor manufacturing and research as well as 5G wireless deployment, a 25 percent tax credit for investments in semiconductor manufacturing facilities through 2026, funding authorization for the National Science Foundation and other science-focused measures from a bill Schumer worked on with Republican Sen. Todd Young of Indiana.

    Schumer added the science provisions back into the package after holding a test vote last week to gauge their GOP support. The motion to proceed was adopted on a 64-34 vote, with 16 Republicans on board.

    The vote tally shifted somewhat Tuesday after several senators tested positive for COVID-19, meaning they’ll need to isolate for several days. Sens. Joe Manchin III, D-W.Va., and Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, both announced Monday that they had tested positive.

    […]

    As senators prepared to move ahead on the smaller package Tuesday, Schumer said lawmakers will continue working on pieces of the original Senate and House packages that didn’t make it into the trimmed chips and science bill. He said he intends to put a final product of the conference committee on the Senate floor at some point.

    […]

    Get it done, take the win, celebrate it, and make it clear that more can happen with more Democrats in the Senate.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  20. 20.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    @Elizabelle:

     I just want it to be from prison.

    Rudy Ghouliani, Mark Meadows, John Eastman, and Sydney Powell belong in prison as well.

  24. 24.

    Ken

    @RobertB: I have tried mayo on the bun, then grill it – sort of like grilling with butter. It was OK but not something I’d bother with again. I’d seen it on some cooking show and thought, why not try it once?

  25. 25.

    Jeffro

    @Elizabelle: I think I read something about that, a while ago (re: trumpov wanting to be buried in a well-protected spot at Bedminster, his NJ golf course)

    Even HE must know that if the public can access it, he’s going to end up floating in a warm yellow bog for all eternity

  27. 27.

    DesertFriar

     

     

    @schrodingers_cat: Take a look at the comedian Nigel Ng on youtube playing ‘Uncle Roger’.  Uncle Roger watches and comments on British Chefs (a chef from the BBC, Gordan Ramsey, and Jamie Oliver).  He comments on their recorded cooking.  He is especially devistating to Jamie Oliver making Thai Red Curry.  He also goes after Rachel Ray’s Pho.  It is really funny while getting the point across of taking an Asian dish, and completely screwing it up.

  28. 28.

    UncleEbeneezer

    BREAKING: THE DOJ IS INVESTIGATING MARK MEADOWS

    The Justice Department is investigating President Donald Trump’s actions as part of its criminal probe of efforts to overturn the 2020 election results, according to four people familiar with the matter.

    Prosecutors who are questioning witnesses before a grand jury — including two top aides to Vice President Mike Pence — have asked in recent days about conversations with Trump, his lawyers, and others in his inner circle who sought to substitute Trump allies for certified electors from some states Joe Biden won, according to two people familiar with the matter. Both spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.

    The prosecutors have asked hours of detailed questions about meetings Trump led in December 2020 and January 2021; his pressure campaign on Pence to overturn the election; and what instructions Trump gave his lawyers and advisers about fake electors and sending electors back to the states, the people said. Some of the questions focused directly on the extent of Trump’s involvement in the fake-elector effort led by his outside lawyers, including John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani, these people said.

    In addition, Justice Department investigators in April received phone records of key officials and aides in the Trump administration, including his former chief of staff, Mark Meadows, according to two people familiar with the matter. That effort is another indicator of how expansive the Jan. 6 probe had become, well before the high-profile, televised House hearings in June and July on the subject.

  29. 29.

    Ohio Mom

    @Suzanne: Maybe Trump will be buried in the New Jersey golf course property, next to or near Ivana? Of course, what is the next owner going to do with the Trump family burial plot.

    My FIL wanted to be cremated, and he was, but what to do with the ashes? My MIL buried them in the backyard, which I didn’t give a moment of thought to, but then twelve years later, she sold the house, and with it, Albert’s remains.

  31. 31.

    Jeffro

    @schrodingers_cat: it seems like every 2-3 weeks some random person posts a picture of a fully decked out Chicago hot dog on Twitter and gets a gazillion likes, replies, etc.

    Like it’s the most controversial thing EVER

  32. 32.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Elizabelle: thanks!  Am drinking some Priorat with my salmon (got to mix it up sometimes!) and starting planning a surprise trip for my wife (don’t tell her—she posts here as “Omnes”).

  34. 34.

    Elizabelle

    @UncleEbeneezer:  Music to my ears, but not a surprise to me.

    Looked at the WaPost website.  Big photo of TFG up front and center.

    He looks embalmed.  Seriously.  My mother looked better.

  37. 37.

    Baud

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    I look forward to the day when the screams of Twitter liberals that “Garland isn’t doing enough!” are replaced by screeches of media pundits that “Garland is going too far!”

  38. 38.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    @Matt McIrvin:

     Donald Trump’s parents lived to be 88 and 93.

    Trump has a very unhealthy diet, so I wouldn’t be so certain about him living into his upper 80’s.

  39. 39.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Another Scott:

     

    Get it done, take the win, celebrate it

    I suggested that earlier today to the union I am negotiating with. A 2% increase is more than generous!

  40. 40.

    David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    Short vs Gaetz: They’re killing each other. This white-on-white crime is an indictment of their permissiveness, their lack of responsibility, their absentee fathers, their culture, and especially their music.

  42. 42.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    Mike Pence – The biggest ass kisser in the history of American politics

    You have to love Pence’s modesty for not mentioning that he and Trump probably differ on whether or not he should be hanged.

    Pence spoke at the Young America’s Foundation’s National Conservative Student Conference on Tuesday, where he called for a nationwide abortion ban as he outlined his vision for America’s future. During the event, Pence took a question from a Gettysburg College student who remarked on “a divide between [you and Trump] on your outlook on what the future of the conservative movement might be.”

     

    “Do you think that this divide extends to the rest of the conservative movement?” The student asked. “What do you think we can do to alleviate it?

     

    Pence answered by saying “I couldn’t be more proud of the record of the Trump-Pence administration.” He touted the previous administration’s agenda before adding” I’ll always be grateful for the opportunity to serve as vice president.”

    So, I don’t know that our movement is that divided. I don’t know that the president and I differ on issues, but we may differ on focus. I truly do believe that elections are about the future, and that it’s absolutely essential at a time when so many Americans are hurting, so many families are struggling, that we don’t give way to the temptation to look back. But I think the time has come for us to offer a bold positive agenda to bring America back and I’ll continue to carry that message all across this nation.

    h/t mediaite.com/tv/pence-who-trump-supporters-tried-to-hang-i-dont-know-that-our-movement-is-that-divid…

  43. 43.

    eclare

    @Suzanne:   I figure his resting place will be a private, 24/7 guarded area at Bedminster or Mar a Lago.  Otherwise people will be lining up to piss on it.

  44. 44.

    prostratedragon

    @RobertB:  Was watching it with sound muted, and yelled “Stop!” when she picked up the mayo jar. Not too pleased with ketchup there either, but the mayo made it seem like it might be parody.

  45. 45.

    geg6

    @rikyrah:

    A bit too much “stuff” for me.  And that neon relish is off putting.  If I’m gonna have a hotdog, I want brown mustard, dill relish and red onions or just some really good Bavarian sauerkraut with a little brown mustard.

    ETA: Of course I forgot the specialty of the local hot dog chain, a chili and cheese sauce hotdog.  They have their own hotdog recipe and have them custom made.  Perfect snap!

  46. 46.

    sab

    @schrodingers_cat: My sister’s Chinese mother-in-law, when she first came to America knew perhaps ten words of Englsh. She was an excellent cook. She used to watch cooking shows on TV in Ohio, but she couldn’t understand anything said or written about the ingredients since no English.

    One time she made us a delicious beef stew that looked like something any midwestern diner would have been proud to serve. But a basic seasoning, which gave it its rich brown color, was the soy sauce base. Midwestern WASP appearance and texture,  sort of Chinese taste. It was delicious but extremely weird.

  48. 48.

    narya

    Thanks to the folks who clarified Mearshimer’s comments for me this morning. I haven’t spoken to him in years, so it was useful to learn wtf he’s been saying. And, tbh, I don’t know his work or politics, but those explanations are not a recommendation for either, by a long shot.

  49. 49.

    Raoul Paste

    @Suzanne:

    Whichever location allows a larger monument.   I’m pretty sure it won’t be a small simple cross, such as Edward Kennedy has

  50. 50.

    David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    @eclare: ​
      they might as well bury him on the 2nd hole of a golf course considering all the people who will be making a number 2

  52. 52.

    J R in WV

    In WV hot dogs come with chili, mustard, onions, and cole slaw.

    That’s a dog with everything, although some pervs put bottled tomato sauce (ketchup) on it too.

    I have been to baseball parks where the dogs were German sausages served with mustard and sauerkraut and those were really good too. Different, completely diff, but good.

  53. 53.

    Kropacetic

    @sab: To my mind, nothing wrong with making your best attempt at dishes from other cultures, adapting the techniques to make new things, fusing ideas.

    A lot of now traditional dishes were likely themselves developed that way. We don’t need to separate cultural items and let them ossify. As long as your treating the originator culture with respect.

  55. 55.

    different-church-lady

    “What’s the downside for humoring him?” they mused…

    A colleague told me a story about a boss he once had. The boss kept a photo of the flaming Hindenburg on his desk. The photo was turned towards the boss, and if anyone on the other side of the desk said, “What’s the worse that can happen?” the boss would turn the photo around an point at it.

  58. 58.

    sab

    Grand Rapids Michigan has the famous wet burrito, a burrito with gravy. Mexican meets Dutch cuisine. Of course the gravy is more of a mole’ sauce, so it’s not as bad as it sounds.

  62. 62.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @Baud: Nah, it’ll be “it shoulda happened sooner!”  And any/all convictions will be just a “slap on the wrist!” Etc.

  67. 67.

    RobertB

    @J R in WV: Not as far north as Morgantown.  Blew my in-laws minds when I put slaw on a hot dog.  Same thing happened when I made a barbecue sandwich.

  72. 72.

    sab

    @RobertB: My husband won’t eat a hotdog without some kind of cabbage on it, slaw in summer, saurkraut in winter. He’s Ohio Irish-German.

  74. 74.

    sab

    @Omnes Omnibus: You don’t think mayo goes on food at all. But for once we agree on this aspect of mayo. I will put it on most things, but never on a hotdog.

    My husband eats mayo peanut butter sandwiches, which makes me gag just thinking about it. With a pickle ( really, he does.)

  82. 82.

    Kropacetic

    @eclare: People put molasses on grits?  To me the only acceptable grits are cheese grits.

    I like cheese on gritz, also maple syrup or that meaty gravy they used at this one restaurant in Florida.

  83. 83.

    Steve in the ATL

    @sab: because I love salmon and I hate white wine.  Though if you put a gun to my head I might choke down a Chenin Blanc.

    ETA: also, I’m totally a rebel!

    not really. I just hate white wine.

  84. 84.

    different-church-lady

    I like that these comments can be read sequentially:

    “Is it possible your husband is pregnant?”
    “That’s the joke.”

  85. 85.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @sab: It is true that I personally hate the stuff, but I think that all sentient people will agree with me on this one.  A Chicago dog, sure.  Chili-cheese dog, no problem.  NY dirty water with  mustard, fine.  Or just do it right with brown mustard and onions and/or kraut.  But then, at that point, why not just have a brat like God intended.

  89. 89.

    ian

    @RobertB:

     Blew my in-laws minds when I put slaw on a hot dog.

     

    Although I like mayo, I’m not eating it on a hot dog.

     

    You know what most coleslaw sauce is made of, right?

  92. 92.

    different-church-lady

    @Steve in the ATL: ​
      “Mable was perfectly fine with her husband until she found out he refused to eat grits with “BLANK”.”

    [70s funk music while celebrities write on index cards…]

  95. 95.

    schrodingers_cat

    @Omnes Omnibus: It was funny to me who has seen many recipes from India mangled to an unrecognizable mess. So I  guess you are not the audience for the joke.

    America’s Test Kitchen and now Milk Street excels at this and it is considered “serious” TV

  96. 96.

    Just One More Canuck

    @Raoul Paste: Once the fat asshole finally dies, Mar a Lago or wherever they plant him will make Graceland look graciously understated

  109. 109.

    ian

    @RobertB:  Coleslaw is part mayo.  Putting coleslaw on a hotdog is putting mayo on a hot dog.

    (Not that I think mayo is wrong for hot dogs, but it needs to be in small amounts and mixed with other things)

  111. 111.

    sab

    @Omnes Omnibus: Mayo does not belong anywhere near anything that resembles a sausage or hot dog. I do not know why I feel so strongly about that, but I do. I wonder how the Belgians cope?

  116. 116.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @sab: Belgians don’t put mayo on mussels.  I checked.  And they will leave the mayo off of other things if asked.

  117. 117.

    prostratedragon

    @eclare: ​ Mmmm yeah, them too. Molasses needs something hefty to stand up to it. Buckwheat or multigrain pancakes too.

  118. 118.

    schrodingers_cat

    @eclare: Somebody made paratha (unleavened bread that you roast on a griddle) and called it a balloon bread and then acted like they had discovered a bread eaten by millions every day.

     

    @Omnes Omnibus: Agreed with peas in the guac. I  don’t particularly seek these screwed up recipes out but I follow a lot of foodies and these things appear on my timeline. Check out the WebMD recipe for chai. The amount of spices in it is ridiculous.

  128. 128.

    eclare

    @sab:   You don’t order mussels for the mussels, although I do like them.  You order them for the rich butter/wine/herb broth that you dip bread into.  Yum!  OK I’m officially hungry now.

  131. 131.

    lashonharangue

    In Chile they serve hot dogs with mayo, ketchup, and guacamole.  They call it a completo.

  136. 136.

    different-church-lady

    I dunno how to break it to you folks, but a lot of these foods are tasty no matter how you eat them.

  141. 141.

    Jay

    @sab:

    love mussels, never had a sand issue, never found them fishy.

    left in a bucket of clean salt water for half a day, they purge themselves of sand.

    that’s both bought mussels and harvested mussels.

    pit dug in the sand, filled with potatoes, covered with sand, fire built on top, at the coal stage, layer of damp seaweed and corn on the cob, another layer of damp seaweed and mussels, then topped with another layer of seaweed.

    when the mussels are open, the corn is cooked, the potatoes are cooked, just butter needed, ( no salt or pepper),

    $1.25 per serving. Beer is extra.

  143. 143.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Jay: alternative: bury the mussels in tue sand as directed, then leave them there and eat grilled salmon instead. With red wine!

  144. 144.

    Amir Khalid

    @DesertFriar:
    Nigel Ng’s comedic persona, Uncle Roger, is a 60-something Chinese-Malaysian man, which is why Uncle Roger’s way of talking is so familiar to me.
    I like Ng’s way of skewering British celebrity chefs, among others, for the jarring inauthenticity of their re-creations of Asian food favourites. (Jamie Oliver made Malaysian laksa with chicken instead of its signature ingredientfish, and put bacon — shudder — in Indonesian mee goreng, a dish made and eaten mostly by Muslims. Sheesh.)

  147. 147.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Steve in the ATL: The traditional method of going to Constantinople was to sail across the Black Sea from Kherson or Mykolaiv, which may not be suitable this October/November.

  150. 150.

    Anotherlurker

    @eclare: Try mussels steamed in White and Pesto. Make sure you have plenty of crusty Italian Bread.

    To die for! (using my best LI, NY accent)

  152. 152.

    geg6

    @sab:

    I make a great mussels marinara.  And a local restaurant has a to die for appetizer of mussels in a garlic cream sauce.  You’ve not had them properly prepared!

  155. 155.

    Anne Laurie

    @sab: Who even eats mussels? They are very fishy and full of sand.

    Not if the kitchen knows what they’re doing.  The only seafood I will eat voluntarily are scallops, tuna salad (because mayonnaise hides much), New England clam chowda, and (very occasionally, because only at high-end restaurants) mussels.

    If the mussels tasty ‘fishy’, they’re spoiled.  I’d send them back, but that’s why I’m picky about ordering them.  (Last time I did was… wow, close to 20 years ago, when the Senior VP in our division took the whole team out to a Back Bay bistro… )

  160. 160.

    Jay

    @Steve in the ATL:

    salmon is hard to come by here, the populations are in collapse.

    on the other hand, every rock has mussels, just pay attention to both the red tide warnings and the fecal  coliform counts.

     

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Quite often, the mix is mussels, clams, oysters, crab. No need for a boat.

  161. 161.

    prostratedragon

    @sab:  I’ve had them with butter as an appetizer and in paella.  Not bad, but if I never eat another I won’t mind.

  162. 162.

    Anotherlurker

    @eclare: Really easy and very tasty! Most people make the mistake of overcooking seafood.   I highly recommend James Beard’s “Fish Cookery”.  He uses the Canadian Cooking method for fish:  10minutes of cooking/1″ of filet thickness.

    For shellfish it is cook until the shell opens. No more cooking than that.

  163. 163.

    geg6

    @RobertB:

    I have never had Popeye’s but that makes me think about trying them if I ever get the chance or have the need again.  I love a good vinegar coleslaw.  It’s very common locally.  Perhaps due to a rather large German or possibly Eastern European influence?  But the Primantis, I presume, were Italian.  Hmmmm, maybe the truck drivers they invented the sandwich for were of German or Eastern European extraction?  Anyway, vinegar coleslaw is ubiquitous here.

  165. 165.

    prostratedragon

    @Jay:  Mmmm, clambake with mussels. Can be augmented with lobsters  or packets of fish like sunfish.

  166. 166.

    Jay

    @Anne Laurie:

    yurp.

    used to be a Portuguese Restaurant on Commercial Drive that had a wonderful choppino. In shell clams, mussels, along with shelled oysters, crab, halibut and salmon, potatoes, all in a white wine/tomato/onion/garlic/butter broth, served with a big basket of crustini.

    Sadly, it burned down and was never rebuilt.

    When I lived on the Drive, every Friday, ( when it wasn’t raining), after work in the summer, I would meet T there, for choppino and mohito’s on the patio.

  167. 167.

    eclare

    @geg6:   It is very refreshing when it’s hot outside.  Which is every day this summer

    I’ll find the recipe in my file in a day or so and when I catch you on a thread I’ll type it up for you.  It uses unusual veggies, red bell pepper, bok choy, and English cucumber, but I’m sure the dressing would go with whatever you prefer.

  171. 171.

    raven

    @geg6: If you get the chicken sammy don’t start with the hot!

     

    Unlike some coleslaw recipes, Popeye’s Coleslaw dressing does not have any buttermilk or lemon juice. It’s still packed with flavor from sweet pickle relish, dill pickle relish, and white vinegar. A little sugar and lot of mayonnaise make it a slightly sweet, creamy coleslaw.

  173. 173.

    sab

    @Anotherlurker: James Beard and the Canadian Cookery method. Yes! If you follow cookbook recipes you will probably fuck it up unless you already know what you are doing. I have been doing 10 minutes per inch for fifty years and it pretty much always works, unless said fish is a shellfish.

  174. 174.

    raven

    @Jay: Cool, standup dude. My n my boys were considering a fishing trip up there but we settled on the Keys this year.

  175. 175.

    J R in WV

    @sab: ​
     

    I must admit I think mayo on fries is tasty.

    Wife worked with a reporter from Baltimore who introduced her to Mayo with hot sauce for fries… She appears to admire that combo.

  177. 177.

    prostratedragon

    @Jay:  Yeah. Little sprig of fresh herb in each, maybe a pat of butter.  Whole lobster,  don’t recall how it was layered on — it was so hot I think we all were a bit delirious.  But it was memorable.

  179. 179.

    kalakal

    @sab: Even better when it’s fritesaus – mostly mayo with some capers & anchovies. Fries are nothing without it.

  183. 183.

    raven

    Cookbooks? I’ve posted this before but what the hell!

    Bull Cook and Authentic Historical Recipes and Practices

    From the introduction: In the lumber camp days and pioneer days the cooks learned from each other and the old world cooks. Each taught the other his country’s cooking secrets. Out of the mixing came fine food, prepared as nowhere else in the world. I am putting down some of these recipes that you will not find in cookbooks plus many other historical recipes. Each recipe here is a real cooking secret. I am also publishing for the first time authentic historical recipes of great importance. For your convenience I will start with meats, fish, eggs, soups and sauces, sandwiches, vegetables, the art of French frying, desserts, how to dress game, how to properly sharpen a knife, how to make wines and beer, how to make French soap and also what to do in case of hydrogen or cobalt bomb attacks, keeping as much in alphabetical order as possible.

  186. 186.

    Jay

    @raven:

    go while you can. It’s getting worse, year after year.

    When I was a kid you could get salmon or steelhead pretty much just by going down to the “creek” in season. In 1975, over 28,000 steelhead returned to the Thompson and Upper Fraser watersheds. Last year, 120, which was 10 more than the year before.

    All the fish are getting pounded, halibut, rock cod, ling cod, salmon, spot prawns, herring, closures are now common. In a few years, the only fishing opportunities will be for squid or jellyfish.

  189. 189.

    raven

    @Jay: Damn! I know we talked a bit about the Western Flyer. The book about it is basically a chronicle of the diminishment of the fish population on the Pacific Coast. (Not that you don’t know it.)
    The Western Flyer: Steinbeck’s Boat, the Sea of Cortez, and the Saga of Pacific Fisheries
     

    As the Western Flyer herself faces an uncertain future—a businessman has bought her, intending to bring the boat to Salinas, California, and turn it into a restaurant feature just blocks from Steinbeck’s grave—debates about the status of the California sardine, and of West Coast fisheries generally, have resurfaced. A compelling and timely tale of a boat and the people it carried, of fisheries exploited, and of fortunes won and lost, The Western Flyer is environmental history at its best: a journey through time and across the sea, charting the ebb and flow of the cobalt waters of the Pacific coast.

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    Glidwrith

    @sab: I’ve had them harvested right off the rocks on the beach, Oregon coast. Did you know they make pearls like an oyster? Not good for jewelry, but fascinating.

    Also had them in any number of restaurants and paella at the local farmers market.

  193. 193.

    Citizen Alan

    @J R in WV:  In restaurants, I usually prefer ranch dressing with fries. Which is weird because I hate Ranch dressing in any other context.

  194. 194.

    Jay

    @prostratedragon:

    funny thing, I don’t eat lobster.

    Growing up in the Maritimes, in a less enlightened era, undersized lobsters could not be thrown back.

    After sizing, the under sized lobsters would be thrown in the back of the fisherman’s truck, covered with ice, and sold off the side of the highway for less a pound than the cheapest ground beef.

    I ate more than my fair share of “pounders”, aka poor food.

    SWIMBO is an Alberta Girl, so I have the steak, she has the lobster.

  197. 197.

    sab

    Husband is in the hospital tonight after serious back surgery. Hopefully home day after tomorrow.

    To cheer me up, he said dinner was great. Meatloaf and mashed potatoes.

    He always says mine is the best, and halfway through his sentence he got worried about how I would take it. (Snort and laugh.)

    I told him truthfully that their cafe was fabulous, so if he’s eating out of that kitchen he’s in good hands.

    Miss him and worried. The cats are frantic. The dog is glad to have me alone  but wouldn’t go for a walk today without him. Rescues can be weird.

  200. 200.

    sab

    @Citizen Alan: I put thousand island on fish sticks because I can’t decide between cocktail sauce and tartar sauce. Otherwise I don’t much like thousand island on anything.

  201. 201.

    Tony G

    @Raoul Paste: Trump needs to die as soon as possible, but it will be a long time before the cult of Trump dies.  These are people who are still angry about the fact that the slavery states lost the Civil War, 157 years later.

  202. 202.

    Jay

    @raven:

    on the Wet Coast, the first big collapse came in the 1930’s. Runs in the millions per stream, became tens of thousands. An explosion of hatcheries caused a moderate rebound in the late 70’s and early 80’s, but then collapsed again and has not rebounded.

    Orca’s are starving to death because there are no salmon, salmon are starving to death because there are no herring, herring are raked out by the hundreds of tons for roe, ( Japan pays top dollar) while the rest is ground up for fish meal for farmed salmon, pet food and fertilizer, ( at a loss).

    So, Alaska or Northern BC while you can, won’t be around much longer.

  203. 203.

    RobertB

    @Citizen Alan: Fries dipped in a Wendy’s Frosty are a thing here in Columbus.

    There was a restaurant next to campus when I was in college, that sold fries with blue cheese sauce.  A very thinned out blue cheese.  I think J.R in WV went to Marshall, and might remember Hulio’s if he was there in the early 80’s.

  204. 204.

    Anne Laurie

    @sab: Husband is in the hospital tonight after serious back surgery. Hopefully home day after tomorrow.

    Fingers crossed everything continues to go well!

    On the positive side, I remember you were really worried the poor man would catch covid and miss out on this precious surgery slot, so that’s one thing you can cross off your late-night terrors list…

  208. 208.

    Mike in NC

    Trump is such a disgusting megalomaniac, he’ll commission a tomb larger than Grant’s but smaller than the Taj Mahal, at Mar-A-Lardass.

  214. 214.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    In addition, Justice Department investigators in April received phone records of key officials and aides in the Trump administration, including his former chief of staff, Mark Meadows, according to two people familiar with the matter. That effort is another indicator of how expansive the Jan. 6 probe had become, well before the high-profile, televised House hearings in June and July on the subject.

    But all teh times Adam Schiff told us Garland was doing nothing! ETA: “Do your job!”

    currently listening to Laurence Tribe, who should probably give up TV punditry, pretending he knew it all along

  215. 215.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @Ohio Mom: That’s what happened to my stepfather’s ashes.  He wanted them buried on my property out in the countryside.  When I buried his ashes, I planted daffodil bulbs above them (bone meal doncha know) and they bloomed very nicely. But his ashes were buried in 1998, and we sold the property in 2015, so 17 years

    I’ve got my mother’s ashes in a container in our shop on our new peoperty.  No plans on burying them.

  217. 217.

    Ruckus

    @sab:

    First time I was in Brussels I stopped at a fries stand and all they had to eat with the fries was mayo. At the time I mostly ate stuff that only very vaguely any kind of eatable food – in the navy. So I tried it. I haven’t eaten fries with katsoup since. (Yes I know that isn’t spelled correctly)

    I think that if a food tastes good to someone then it’s good. For them. Now that my sense of smell is zero – which happens to people some times – most foods have lost a lot of appeal. Our actual sense of taste is actually very limited, it is backed up by a great sense of smell. Until it isn’t.

  218. 218.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: There have always been signs that many of us pointed out, repeatedly, suggesting DOJ was heading in this direction.  And several people with real DOJ experience noticed them and urged people to be patient.  But a whole bunch of people simply dismissed them and refused to even acknowledge those signs.  I won’t hold my breath waiting for their mea culpa’s admitting that their assumptions were wrong.  Honestly, most of them clearly weren’t really following things closely based on the things they presumed or were completely unaware of.  Still a long way to go to charges or conviction, but this is a good first step.

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