It sure looks like it. From TPM:
While Senator Schumer and the White House were trying to revive some skinny version of the BBB and climate legislation with Joe Manchin Senator McConnell tried to scuttle those talks with a threat. He would pull GOP support from the China competition/CHIPs bill if the Democrats did not drop those negotiations. As it happened, Manchin scuttled the deal so the threat became moot. Then the CHIPs bill passed the Senate yesterday and then within like an hour – voila – the Manchin deal was back and somehow finalized. Senate Republicans were clearly pissed but the bill had already passed the Senate.
It certainly seems like Senate Democrats pulled a fast one on their Republican colleagues. As surprising as it may seem, it’s hard to see how Manchin wasn’t in on it at some level. House Republicans certainly seem to think so. They’ve now switched to whipping members to vote against the bill. Notwithstanding the fact that it actually has broad bipartisan support, as well as strong support from the semiconductor industry and the foreign policy and national security community. But the House isn’t the Senate. Democrats don’t need Republicans to break a filibuster. They probably don’t need Republicans at all.
The Republicans hope to scuttle the CHIPs bill by getting House progressives to follow Bernie Sanders’ lead and vote against it on the grounds that it’s too corporate friendly. But Progressive Caucus Chair Pramila Jayapal probably has her members on board. We won’t know until the votes are counted, but the House Progressive Caucus are team players, so it’s likely to pass.
Valued commenter Jim, Foolish Literalist shared a link to this epic self-womp in the thread downstairs:
"They sucked Republican votes up like a Hoover Deluxe and then got their votes [on CHIPS] and then bam, announced this new tax increase…We look like a bunch of – well, I’m not going to say what we look like."@SenJohnKennedy on @Sen_JoeManchin/Schumer's BBB double-cross: pic.twitter.com/mokMqV4fbP
— John Cooper (@thejcoop) July 28, 2022
Ha! Open thread.
Lyrebird
Love my President!
And yes I will do whatever I can to get MORE D Senators elected!
Old Man Shadow
After all the shit the GOP has done since the 80s, they can eat shit.
H.E.Wolf
Electoral-Vote blog has a detailed article on this, as the first item in today’s posting. They include a list of possible hurdles and the E-V bloggers’ opinion on those hurdles’ possible severity.
https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2022/Senate/Maps/Jul28.html#item-1
Note: the two bloggers at E-V take turns. The article above is by Z (the other blogger is V). Their bios are here: https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2022/Info/votemaster-faq.html
zhena gogolia
@Old Man Shadow: The words Garland and Barrett come to mind.
Baud
I don’t know if we punked them, but I’m ok with people thinking that we punked them.
zhena gogolia
You look like an asshole no matter what, Sen. Kennedy.
Cameron
Democrats best watch out – an enraged turtle has been unleashed! Isn’t the senator quoted above the faux-Cletus from Louisiana?
West of the Rockies
Poor Republicans… it’s called politics, baby!
eclare
@zhena gogolia: Something about chickens and roosting….
Dangerman
It’s about time they tasted what a shit sandwich tastes like. Mitch has been serving them up for years.
germy shoemangler
Pramila Jayapal, the chairwoman for the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said Wednesday she hadn’t whipped her members over the legislation, but highlighted discussions with Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo, whose been the Biden administration’s chief advocate for the package, as a sign that progressives will likely back it.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: We’ll see how it all turns out, but I could see Schumer having a talk with Manchin about punking McConnell. “Joe, you just do what you’ve been doing and this time it really fucks with McConnell.” No one likes McConnell.
Lacuna Synecdoche
Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) via Betty Cracker @ Top:
If you weren’t such sore fucking losers, Kennedy, you’d look like a party that knows when to compromise for the good of the country.
Instead, because you and your peers can’t stop whining whenever Democrats succeed at helping the country, you look like whinging jackasses complaining about losing an opportunity to screw the country and getting cheated out of your own cheating.
eclare
@Cameron: Yes. He studied at Oxford and other elite universities but talks like a drunk Foghorn Leghorn.
Alce_e_ardillo
He won’t say but I will– they look like gullilble assholes– which they are.
germy shoemangler
WaterGirl
Betty, I just put up a post for Biden’s LIVE speech at noon, but I don’t expect anyone to head over there until noon, so hopefully this is okay.
Old School
“The Democrats tricked us into doing something good for the United States!”
germy shoemangler
@eclare:
eclare
@germy shoemangler: That was great, thanks!
jnfr
They are assholes, true, but also so whiny.
Subcommandante Yakbreath
To quote the late great efgoldman: fuck ’em.
Geminid
It’s fun to see Schumer change from Hapless Charlie Brown to Clever Chuck.
I believe the House will vote on the Chip bill today. I’m interested in seeing how many Republicans cross their crack leadership team of McCarthy, Scalise and Stephanik and vote Yea. I think a few will.
piratedan
will await the breathless commentary of our collective media betters who will point out this scandalous behavior of Senate Democrats in voting for legislation that the majority wants without giving the minority the control over the legislation as the time honored tradition that is the accepted norm when Democrats are nominally in control.
Ken
I don’t suppose this will cause the Republican Senate caucus to re-consider their leadership.
brantl
This doesn’t get us even for the 3 shitty SCROTUSs, but it’s a start.
Roger Moore
It would be nice if they punked Republicans this way, but it would have been better to hold the vote in the House before springing it. Unless they’ve already counted the votes, know it can pass, and want to be able to use the Republicans’ “No” votes against them in November. That would be 11-D chess.
Cameron
@Alce_e_ardillo: You mean they’re finally identifying with their voters?
Geminid
@Ken: Republicans don’t have anyone who can do better than McConnell. They just have a bad strategy: basically “if we can’t govern no one can.” They can’t make it stick, though, without help from our side.
There could be a change after the midterms if Democrats hold the Senate. McConnell might tell his colleagues, “All right, you lazy fucks. One of you has to work now.”
J R in WV
Our power went off in a mighty violent thunderstorm last night, so we’ve been wet and running the Generac for electric. It isn’t strong enough to run the A/C but it’s still only about 74 inside… also no power next door to the network center, so no internet at all.
So this morning I read a Travis McGee novel for the first time in a long time. I’m into the second one just long enough for a good friend of McGee to be murdered by knife, the victim was involved with solid gold pre-Colombian objects, mostly stolen from him. So that one sounds good too. We have almost all MacDonald’s McGee novels, and spent time in FLA where John D MacDonald lived so can relate to his bitter view of FLA. Also learned MacDonald had an MBA from Hahvahd Bidness school!
Thanks, everyone, for keeping the Intertubes full while we were off-line!!! Now to catch up on things before leaving for Wife’s P T later on.
zhena gogolia
@germy shoemangler: Love that!
rikyrah
Makes me smile everytime I read it.
No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) tweeted at 6:19 PM on Wed, Jul 27, 2022:
McConnell said Republicans wouldn’t let the CHIPS bill pass if Democrats try to pass a lower drug price/climate bill.
Rs ultimately let CHIPS pass—minutes later, Dems announced a deal with Manchin on lower drug prices/climate.
Democrats may have just out-McConnelled McConnell.
(https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1552433558580502531?t=JN-K5KVphXwmsTfNao643A&s=03)
Jackie
@germy shoemangler: Yes, he did! Schumer and Manchin (along with Biden, I bet) set The Turtle up perfectly! I’m still chuckling – and awaiting McConnell’s response. I doubt he’ll be gracious enough to say *touche!
lowtechcyclist
@Old Man Shadow:
Seconded.
SiubhanDuinne
There’s an opinion piece in the WaPo titled “Most Third Parties Have Failed. Here’s Why Ours Won’t.” Its authors are Christine Todd Whitman, David Jolly, and Andrew Yang, and the piece is every bit as bad as you imagine. Straw men everywhere and the worst kinds of Broderesque false equivalency and whataboutism. WaPo should — but won’t — be ashamed of itself.
Baud
@Roger Moore:
That would be sweet. But we need to get both bills passed. It’s not over yet.
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne:
Well, that’s a group you don’t see every day.
RandomMonster
This is really made my day. I’m hoping this isn’t a single ratfuck for Republicans, but a Willard-movie horde of flesh-eating rats.
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
Mercifully.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: To which I say, “Hooray!”
JML
Pelosi and her team know how to count. (It’s the single most important job in leadership in either chamber) they’ll know exactly how many votes they have in the bank and will release members of the Progressive Caucus only as needed. And the progressives are smart enough to not demand 100% fidelity in order to get things that they want out of the Senate.
It’s not everything we would have wanted, but a) it will make a difference, b) it’s on the right path, and c) it’s a success that we can talk about on the campaign trail. Pass them both, and flip Moscow Mitch the double birds as you walk past his office.
JustRuss
Halle-damn-lujah.
WereBear
@J R in WV: Love Travis McGee. He was ahead of his time.
New girlfriend every book, yes. But they were career women of some sort who were as equal as they could be back then.
And they varied in both looks and talents. They were real people who had a good relationship.
Jinchi
Wait. Did Sanders vote against it? If so how did it pass?
Betty
@Cameron: It seems they tanked the burn pit bill as revenge. A pretty stupid move.
Baud
@Jinchi: It has a good amount of GOP support.
Jinchi
@Betty: I guess they felt they had to kick someone, so why not kick veterans?
And now 25 Republicans have to explain voting against a popular bill they already voted yes on.
Baud
@Betty:
Not clear if it’s tanked or just delayed.
Omnes Omnibus
@Betty: Unbelievably petty.
Jinchi
@Baud: The Manchin-Schumer deal? They can’t complain that they got punked if their own people are voting for it.
Baud
@Jinchi:
No. Chips is a separate bill from the Manchin-Schumer deal.
J R in WV
How can you love the Veterans if you keep letting them die of horrible exposure to government created toxic chemistry?? No one should take the Theocratic Fascists seriously when they say they love the Veterans!!
They don’t love the military either, but like to steal money from the bloated defense budget, which is why the Navy warships keep hitting freighters at 2 am. The mid-watch is the worst time of day on any Navy ship!
trollhattan
@SiubhanDuinne: “How to win as a third party: be more like George Wallace.”
Andrew Yang’s sell-by date is long, long past but people continue pointing cameras at him anyway.
HumboldtBlue
@H.E.Wolf:
Thanks for that link.
Betty Cracker
@Jinchi: The CHIPs bill is bipartisan, but McConnell was holding it up because he didn’t want Dems to pass a reconciliation bill with climate change provisions. After Manchin (seemingly?) blew up negotiations with Schumer recently and it looked like there wasn’t going to be a reconciliation bill, McConnell allowed Republicans to support CHIPs. Then Schumer and Manchin announced agreement on a reconciliation bill that has spending on climate.
Manchin is a liar who has damaged Biden’s presidency, IMO, so it’s hard to believe he was in on this trickery. But I guess he had to be? The timing is just too perfect for it to be otherwise. Maybe he hates McConnell even more than he hates his own party.
satby
@Baud: I linked to info about that from Heather Cox Richardson on the morning thread. It was tanked.
HumboldtBlue
While Senate Dems were busy punking Senate dipshits, protestors were clowning Marge Greene and Gaetz at yet another bullshit press conference about nothing
Roger Moore
@Baud:
The worry is we’re going to start seeing them every day.
satby
@J R in WV: @WereBear: love John D MacDonald and his Travis McGee series! A good mystery is forever.
Baud
@satby:
Thanks. Hopefully they pay a price.
UncleEbeneezer
Fingers crossed that this actually passes and gets signed, but maybe, just maybe Schumer has never been the naive dope that many portrayed him to be, all along.
HumboldtBlue
@Betty Cracker:
What do you make of this, Betty?
Huge story coming on a DOJ National Security Division investigation linked to the Executive Office of Ron DeSantis.
sdhays
@Betty Cracker: He’s a liar, but it seems this time he was lying for us instead of to us. I don’t know why he seems to like lying so much, but apparently Schumer has figured out how to channel that fetish for good.
Baud
@satby:
I wonder if the Dems will try to add it back to the Defense Authorization Act. That’s usually considered must pass.
Betty Cracker
@SiubhanDuinne: I read that this morning. What a bunch of dopes. Luckily, they’re such low-wattage personalities that they’re not likely to cause a great deal of damage, but who knows? Yang attracted attention in 2020 with the UBI proposal, but now that he’s yoked himself to center-right numpties Whitman and Jolly, he probably won’t come up with another gimmick like that.
Leto
@HumboldtBlue: At this point, I’ll be more shocked when I learn that Republicans aren’t wholly funded by foreign subsidiaries, nor all their “advisors” aren’t foreign agents.
sdhays
@HumboldtBlue: That is quite a story. Is it politically problematic for your spokesperson to be a foreign agent who neglected to disclose the fact for several years? And what else is there under this particular rug?
eachother
@J R in WV: OT: Is your generator at least 30 amps? Possibly more? Is your air conditioner 30 amps? Hopefully not more.
In other words, the generator may be big enough to run the air. Some circuit management may be required. While daylight, turn off what you don’t need providing almost all its output for refer and air.
Depends on gen electrical output, air electrical load etc.
Is the air circuit connected to the gen? May not be. Keep refer closed if you are stealing its circuit for air.
Betty Cracker
@HumboldtBlue: I hope there’s something to it because there are few people more loathsome than Ron DeSantis’s FL taxpayer supported Twitter troll Christina Pushaw. But I am skeptical of anything hyped by Occupy Democrats. They, along with outfits like Palmer Report (I think? I muted it ages ago so many be misremembering the account name) are always raising “this time we got ’em” scenarios that fail to pan out.
HumboldtBlue
@Leto: @sdhays:
At this point I’m convinced the GOP is run by the Russians, I think they’re all compromised.
@Betty Cracker:
I didn’t realize Stern was with Occupy, that does dampen the mood a bit.
Betty Cracker
From the WSJ, describing the reaction of Democrats to Schumer’s announcement:
So Princess Sparkle Pony wasn’t in the loop. I hope that doesn’t inspire mischief.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
My theory has been that she won’t block a bill as the lone holdout. Looks like we’ll get to test that theory soon.
OGLiberal
@germy shoemangler: Both Lousiana Senators were Democrats well into their adulthood, with Kennedy switching as recent as 2007. Wonder what made them switch? Hmmmm…….
Miss Bianca
@HumboldtBlue: How can this be?! When I’ve been repeatedly assured that Merrick Garland’s DOJ is as useless as tits on a bull!
HumboldtBlue
@Miss Bianca:
Hah!
Betty Cracker
@Baud: IIRC, there are corporate tax hikes in the agreement, which have the same effect on Sinema that garlic has on Dracula, but the same is generally true of Manchin, and the tax components were fairly tame, so hopefully she’ll go along.
HumboldtBlue
Jon Stewart has some words for the Senate Gopers
horatius
Let’s just say I’m digging the method acting of Joe Manchin, at least for the time being.
Roger Moore
@J R in WV:
It’s 100% typical of Republicans. They love veterans- and troops, babies, etc.- only as abstract concepts that can be used for campaign slogans. They don’t give a damn about the actual human beings.
HumboldtBlue
Betty Cracker
@HumboldtBlue: Ha! I pasted that tweet under Rick Scott’s tweet about making care packages. How precious.
HumboldtBlue
@Baud:
This is from the HE Wolf link above.
@Betty Cracker:
Perfect!
Ruckus
@Old Man Shadow:
“After all the shit the GOP has done since the 80s, they can eat shit.”
I think that may be too good for them…
What’s below shit on the what they can eat scale?
Roger Moore
@Ruckus:
Ricin
Ruckus
@Lacuna Synecdoche:
If you weren’t such sore fucking losers, Kennedy, you’d look like a party that knows when to compromise for the good of the country.
Instead, because you and your peers can’t stop whining whenever Democrats succeed at helping the country, you look like whinging jackasses complaining about losing an opportunity to screw the country and getting cheated out of your own cheating.
That deserves a gold plaque somewhere in DC.
Ruckus
@Roger Moore:
Shoulda known you’d know the answer….
Ruckus
@eclare:
How do you know he’s not?
Paul in KY
@HumboldtBlue: I hope that foreign spy gets it! Also her liege lord DeSatanis the Cruel.
Baud
@HumboldtBlue:
I hope he regrets the Rally for Sanity.
Kevin
Good news. However the term “whipping” for votes seems very thorny. How is that still in use? Or does it have another meaning I’m not familiar with?
Baud
@Kevin: Nope. Real whip.
HumboldtBlue
@Kevin:
@Baud:
You mean this masterpiece?
Paul in KY
@HumboldtBlue: Early legislators objected to the title ‘Cat Herder’ and they settled on ‘Whip’ instead.
UncleEbeneezer
Hey everyone, please take a moment to support Biden’s proposed changes to Title IX to expand protections for Transgender people, by leaving a public comment.
It is currently getting a ton of TERF (transphobic) bullshit.
#TransRightsAreHumanRights #TransWomenAreWomen #ProtectTransKids
Baud
@HumboldtBlue: Heh. Yeah, IIRC it was chock full of both sides suck equally BS.
satby
@Baud: for your amusement:
Ken
@Baud: I look forward to the Baud!20XX replacement of that primitive means of compulsion with brain electrodes.
satby
@Baud: why? it was a parody. And besides, Roots performed!
Ruckus
@J R in WV:
Fortunately there were always a few night owls like me on the DDG I served on so we never hit anything. Also they never let me steer the ship which I assume helped as well……
J R in WV
@eachother: The genset is 22Kw, the a/c is 30 amps, so no way. It’s the largest air cooled model, which is really low maintenance compared to a water cooled unit.
Steve in the ATL
@SiubhanDuinne:
WaPo? Pretty sure this is from DougJ’s NYT Pitchbot account!
Miss Bianca
@HumboldtBlue: Ha! I didn’t realize that the term came from “whipper in,” although it makes perfect sense now that I think about it!
@Paul in KY: Herding hounds, not cats, folks!
HumboldtBlue
I just learned my West Virginia brother-in-law attended the hearing on the Veterans bill and got very angry and started yelling, and they told him to hush or leave. He was escorted out, but not before letting the GOP know how he felt.
Very out of character for a man who is normally very sedate and calm.
DaBunny
Looks like the Republican tantrum in the house failed:
House passes bill to subsidize U.S.-made semiconductor chips in win for Biden
Nice to see!
JGreen
It’s great to see the Democrats put one over on the GQP. but we should also remind everybody that the only reason Manchin is in a position to play such games is that the Republican shitheads can be counted on to vote against anything proposed by a Democrat unanimously, as sure as the sun will rise in the sky. But, unlike the sunrise, this is not a natural phenomenon; they do it consciously and deliberately to try to harm Democrats. That’s their only real reason despite the huge load of bullshit justifications they haul out when they are (infrequently) asked about it.
And, of course, this has been going on since the Obama administration, but even though it’s automatic now, it still isn’t required or anything like that. They do it mindlessly (and so many of them don’t have much of a mind to begin with).
It just should be mentioned as often as possible in hopes that we could chip away at this assumption that this is the natural order of things in US politics.
ColoradoGuy
@J R in WV: 30 amps * 240 volts (2-phase power) = 7200 watts, or 7.2 kW. Start-up current for the A/C might be somewhat higher, both start-up and steady-state current draw will be on the plate for the unit. (3 ton = 36,000 BTU.)
If your genset is really 22 kW and powers both phases, no problem with the A/C so long as you’re not using other current hogs, like an electric dryer or an electric stove. The fridge is probably well under a kilowatt.
Ruckus
@Roger Moore:
“It’s 100% typical of Republicans. They love veterans- and troops, babies, etc.- only as abstract concepts that can be used for campaign slogans. They don’t give a damn about the actual human beings.”
This deserves a repeat. Many repeats.
eachother
@ColoradoGuy: Good info ColoradoGuy. The AC compressor start up load is calculated in the 20% derated 30 amp circuit, as you know, rated at 24 amps continuous load.
The generator’s other load’s notwithstanding, AC power is available
Hopefully, the AC wiring has been included in the transfer switch and just a matter of turning it on.
As you mentioned, other loads connected to the generator need to be considered in total. A bit of load management if necessary?
And we be cool.
A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)
@JML: My thoughts exactly. The Dems wouldn’t have sprung it on The Turtle before the House passed the bill without knowing for sure it could be passed. Nancy knows what she is doing.