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Who knew that damned ‘Hawlin’ Arse’ clip would be so widely broadcast for the delectation of a cruel world?

He’s been making plans since at least last year… and even then, snarksters were, shall we say, dubious:


“As a conservative, we’ve got to call men back to responsibility.”

Actual military guy:

These Repubs are really desperate for a Strong Daddy figure…

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  2. 2.

    The Golux

    I’m a lumberjack
    And I’m OK
    I sleep all night and I work all day
    I cut down trees
    I skip and jump
    I like to press wild flowers
    I put on women’s’ clothing and hang around in bars

  5. 5.

    RaflW

    I’m just delighted that Josh Hawley had an editor and publisher who were also so totally sleepwalking into such a farce.

    The J6 hearing really took him down many pegs.
    Good.

  8. 8.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    <snark-attempt>how can it be on sale in May? Didn’t he already sell it?  Oh, yeah, grift.

  9. 9.

    Hoosierspud

    Also on Trump’s masculinity: “Memory” from the musical Cats was played to calm him down.

  11. 11.

    Adam L Silverman

    @RaflW: It’s Regnery. They’re publishing it because they know his campaign and his leadership PAC will buy enough copies to guarantee them a profit and then give the books as thank you to wealthy donors. They also expect that groups like cpac and turning point and similar orgs will buy them to give then out when Hawley gives speeches at their events. Conservative political publishing is a major scam.

  12. 12.

    Alison Rose 💙🌻💛

    Is he gonna add “no homo” stickers to the books because good Lord.

    Also gender is made up and masculinity and femininity are just stupid games we designed and for which the rules are constantly shifting and mean nothing.

  19. 19.

    Splitting Image

    Hawley’s book will be a perfect match for the one David Brooks wrote with the woman he dumped his wife for. It was called “Character”, if I remember correctly.

  20. 20.

    DMcK

    @DMcK: Anyway, given the right’s weird obsession over how to be a manly fuckin’ man, I expect we can look forward to a masterpiece of unintentional homoeroticism.

  21. 21.

    Amir Khalid

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I am genuinely curious and would to know: does anyone actually sit down to read these vanity books that come out of Regnery? Are they ever reviewed in any reputable news publication? Does anyone quote stuff from them in any kind of political conversation? Or do they disappear into warehouse storage; into the goodie bags given out at right-wing political events; or do they wind up being re-gifted around and around in RW circles, in keeping with Hobbit tradition?

  22. 22.

    Redshift

    @Alison Rose 💙🌻💛:

    Also gender is made up and masculinity and femininity are just stupid games we designed and for which the rules are constantly shifting and mean nothing.

    Yes, but the entire premise of conservatism all over the world is the promise of a return to an idealized past that never was. It is of no consequence to them that masculinity is entirely made up and that it isn’t something that existed unchanging for all of human history until liberals broke it. They’ll fight reality on that to their last breath.

  23. 23.

    SpaceUnit

    First rule of Encel Penis Club is never stop talking about being a member of Encel Penis Club.

  24. 24.

    Redshift

    @Amir Khalid: From what I understand, they are displayed on bookshelves to indicate the strength of ones tribal devotion. They’re like the Bible and the Constitution, things conservatives claim to have read, but actually just rely on what authority figures tell them they say.

  25. 25.

    Dangerman

    @DMcK: Which reminds me, what became of the Tucker Carlson “Manly Man Nad Tanner and Scanner” (to facilitate dick pics, which I assume is masculine behavior)

  29. 29.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    Hawley has no demographic, he’s a bore.

     

    He’s Rick Santorum without the sweater.

  30. 30.

    Lacuna Synecdoche

    Tom Nichols via Anne Laurie @ Top:

    Sen. Josh Hawley tells #AxiosOnHBO that he’ll make masculinity a signature political issue, because he claims “the left” is telling men: “You’re part of the problem…Your masculinity is inherently problematic.”

    If Josh Hawley is the representative of your manhood, then, yes, your masculinity is inherently problematic.

  33. 33.

    Tony Jay

    Isn’t ‘Manhood’ just a polite euphemism for ‘Dick’?

    So they got that right.

    Also, too, Trump’s image is just fascist Liberace without the charisma or the talent.

  35. 35.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    So Hauley wants to run on p0rn and masculinity and all this time we were told “economic anxiety” was the driving factor.

  37. 37.

    ColoradoGuy

    @Tony Jay: At least Liberace had style, in the sense of 110% Las Vegas, and his glittery outfits were made just for him. No pretense of masculinity whatsoever. What you saw was what you got, pure essence of Vegas.

    T**** was always a cartoon of a mobbed-up businessman, with his 3-foot ties, atrociously tailored suit, and lifted shoes. The closest real-world analog to T**** was Biff Tanner in the Back to the Future movies.

    T****’s cartoonishness was actually an effective cover for the depth of his psychosis.

  40. 40.

    mrmoshpotato

    What kind of insecure motherfucker do you have to be to write a book called “Manhood?”  Seriously!  These fuckers…

  41. 41.

    mrmoshpotato

    Sen. Josh Hawley tells #AxiosOnHBO that he’ll make masculinity a signature political issue

    And what in Sam hell does this even mean?

  44. 44.

    Tony Jay

    @ColoradoGuy:

    That’s what I meant by ‘charisma’.

    I was actually just talking to a friend yesterday about a related topic. Back when we were kids in the late 70s and early 80s the world of popular light-entertainment was literally awash with openly gay ‘men of fabulous campness’. Dick Emery. Larry Grayson. Duncan Norvelle. On a Saturday night you couldn’t  move for all the arched eyebrows and obvious non sequiturs.

    Same with Liberace over there. I mean, how gay is too gay? But he was huge. Probably one of the most famous Americans of all time.

    It’s funny how these days the simple fact that the open, obvious gayness is no longer something to be winked at but never mentioned is such a MASSIVE SOCIETAL PROBLEM for certain people. I guess it’s no longer cosy family entertainment when the poofs step out of their “it’s awful, but I like it” lane.

  45. 45.

    JWR

    From Politico:

    Silent Sinema stresses Dems as they race to pass Manchin-blessed deal

    Almost every Senate Democrat is locking arms to push their $700 billion-plus climate, tax and health care bill past the chamber’s strict rules for avoiding a filibuster. Kyrsten Sinema is still a question mark.

    […]

    Still, one person who spoke to Sinema described her as “frustrated” at not being looped in, while another person who talked to her said she was “totally shocked.” And Republicans think she’s their only chance at stopping the deal.

    […]

    And some don’t think Sinema has any other option but to support the deal in the end. Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.) said “her state is going to need her on this” and she “politically doesn’t have a choice.”

    I guess the only question now is whether or not Sinema’s willing to be the lone holdout. Grijalva says that, politically speaking, she has no choice, but how sure can he be that she’s not gonna flip the bird at a constituency that’s likely to do the same to her in 2024? Sure, she has a choice. A good choice, and a bad choice. Too bad we can’t feel reassured that she’ll support Dem priorities, but I guess that’s just what a Centrist does. She’s Mavericky, doncha know?

  48. 48.

    Amir Khalid

    @Tony Jay:
    I remember reading somewhere that Liberace once sued a British newspaper columnist for merely hinting that he, Liberace, was gay — and was awarded damages.

  49. 49.

    EmbraceYourInnerCrone

    @Alison Rose 💙🌻💛: thank you for saying it much better than I could. While I am enjoying the hell out of watching Harley get dragged, I am really depressed that a lot of the jokes and insults have to do with saying he likes things that are traditionally coded as feminine. Which according to society (still) is weaker, emotional, likes shopping and makeup and reading romance novels.
    call him a coward or a hypocrite. But I am tired of the “run away like a scared little girl” comparisons.  My niece was a combat medic for eight years. She likes makeup, shopping, video games and romance novels. She  is five foot nothing. And she knows about 12 ways to kill a person in hand to hand combat. Can we fucking retire the Pusey, wussy, whiny bitch flavor of insults.  I’m fucking done with it.

  50. 50.

    Baud

    @JWR:

    Whatever she does, she’ll milk it for the drama. Don’t expect an answer before the vote happens.

  51. 51.

    lowtechcyclist

    I didn’t really ‘grow up,’ so to speak, until I was in my late 20s. Sure, I was long gone from my parents’ house, paying my own rent and bills, but basically drifting until I finally realized I just couldn’t do that anymore.  I used to joke that I got my mid-life crisis out of the way when I was 27-28 years old.

    I came out of that period, though, with some thoughts about what it meant to be a man.  Stuff like making your own way in the world, and doing what you could for those around you – a helping hand, a listening ear, an encouraging word.

    Then I realized that none of that was gender-specific in the least, and I decided I was fine with that.

    Josh Hawley has been far from the only wingnut to go on about manhood and masculinity in the past few years.  But it’s brought back all those thoughts I had about manhood from four decades back, that turned out not to be about masculinity at all, but really about being an adult, a grownup, generally.

    So I’m kinda curious what virtues they define as masculine that don’t apply equally well to anyone.  Unless they’re basically telling women that they shouldn’t have to run their own lives, they should let a man do that for them, in which case fuck that noise.

    I don’t even think that would really fly with conservative evangelical women.  From what I see of their world, there are plenty of responsible men, but also a fair number of men who are totally unreliable and undependable.  They can see in their own world that a woman has to be able to look after herself.  Hell, herself and her children, without the help of the man who sired them.  So Hawley and all those others can take their masculinity bullshit and shove it up their nether orifice.

  53. 53.

    Barbara

    @EmbraceYourInnerCrone: ​Apparently when Hawley introduced this theme at a speech, many women in the audience were unimpressed. Not liberals like us, but religious conservative types. Maybe it appeals as a slogan but the details rankle. Gaming isn’t masculine? What universe is he living in?
    Share your disdain for using symbols of the feminine and/or gay as proxies for being weak or bad.​

  54. 54.

    Barbara

    @lowtechcyclist: ​I assume that the subtext here is that Josh Hawley is the guy who will reinforce that there are different genders with different roles in life.

  55. 55.

    Geminid

    .   Voters in Hawley’s state will pick their Senate nominees Tuesday, and a SurveyAmerica poll shows Hawley-endorsed Congresswoman Vicky Hartzler in 3rd place. State Attorney General Eric Scmidt leads with 28%, disgraced former Governor Eric Greitens has 20%, Hartzler 14%, and Congressman Buddy Long trails with 8%. 44% of likely primary voters say a trump endorsement would influence them to vote for a candidate.

    On the Democratic side, philanthropist and former RN Trudy Busch Valentine leads former Marine lawyer Lucas Kuntz 40%-14%. General election matchups show Schmitt leading Valentine 36%-30%, while Valentine polls a point behind Hartzler and even with Greitens. Former U.S. Attorney and J6 Commitee investigator John Wood is running as an Independent and pulls in 9-10%.

    The survey was conducted July 24-27 and polled 1981 registered voters.

  56. 56.

    MattF

    I bet his book has pronouns, which makes it unacceptable. Speaking of which, a RWNJ claimed that the Constitution doesn’t have pronouns… which is true… except for the first word.

  57. 57.

    Tony G

    In a rational world, Hawley would now be attracting so much ridicule that his political career would be over and he’d have to find another way to make money.  In this world, however, tens of millions of Americans look up to Donald Trump — a pampered rich boy who has no “masculine” virtues, no “masculine” appearance, and no virtues at all — as a “tough” and “manly” hero.    So Hawley will probably be fine, and he’ll probably gain some advantage by whining about those mean libtards who are trying to “cancel” him.

  58. 58.

    Soprano2

    @Geminid: I’m surprised Valentine is that far ahead of Kunce; she’s from St. Louis, so that helps her. I’ve been seeing attack ads by both of them the past week. On the Republican side who knows, if TFG makes a last- minute endorsement that will make a difference. We already know he won’t endorse Hartzler. Schmitt has spent a lot of time attacking public schools by suing them for all kinds of things. CRT, guns, crime, transpeople and immigration are in all their ads obsessively. Their ads continue to be silly.

  59. 59.

    PST

    There is an depressing article in The Atlantic about the use of masculinity in gun advertising to create and radicalize a new breed of customer who will buy and buy and buy. One quotation:

    “The Bushmaster Man Card declares and confirms that you are a Man’s Man, the last of a dying breed, with all the rights and privileges duly afforded,” the ad copy read. If you’re hearing there, in “dying breed,” an anticipatory echo of the “Great Replacement” theory that inspired the alleged killer in May’s mass shooting in Buffalo, New York, you’re not mistaken: The conclusion that this type of marketing has contributed to creating today’s radical violent extremists is inescapable.

  61. 61.

    MattF

    Recall that one of Putin’s favorite routines was to display his manly manliness. It’s not politically innocent.

  62. 62.

    PST

    @EmbraceYourInnerCrone:

    Can we fucking retire the Pusey, wussy, whiny bitch flavor of insults. I’m fucking done with it.

    Amen. I’d love to see fewer genital metaphors in serious discussions of issues and public figures. If I never again hear, “She’s got more balls than any of the guys,” it’ll be too soon, likewise making compensatory dick length jokes a feature of gun safety debate. It’s tired tired tired tired tired.

  63. 63.

    Feathers

    @Tony Jay: It’s not just the gays. A similar case can be made for the fact that the Hollywood production code fell at roughly the same time as the civil rights movement, the Vietnam war protests, and also shortly after the introduction of the Pill and just before Roe v Wade. The Code placed severe restrictions on what could be depicted in movies, banning material that offended Catholic sensibilities. It probably wasn’t terribly dangerous at the time, because most people realized the movies didn’t reflect real life. But for the next generation, whose idea of the past was shaped by the stories they saw on screen, this all white, all law abiding, women as devoted homemakers fantasy past where none of the “terrible” things of today happened was the “real” past. It’s undoubtedly a big part of the reason why people seem to think there was no abortion before Roe v Wade, no gays before Stonewall, no sex before the pill, and all wars were righteous, fought by valiant men.

  65. 65.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Barbara:

    ​I assume that the subtext here is that Josh Hawley is the guy who will reinforce that there are different genders with different roles in life.

    Oh sure, but unless he can get all those ne’er-do-well guys to shape up (fat chance!), the whole thing breaks down real fast in practice.

  66. 66.

    Geminid

    @Soprano2: Trump’s risk-averse so he’ll probably endorse Schmitt and claim a win. Not sure why Kunce isn’t doing better, but I read that Valentine has spent a couple million dollars on advertising. The race has heated up in the Twittersphere, with Krystal Ball and Cenk Uygur throwing their weight behind Kunce and drawing a fierce backlash, but I wouldn’t hold that against either candidate. If Schmitt wins he’ll be tough to beat it sounds.

    The MO CD-1 race between Rep. Cori Busch and state Senator Steve Roberts could be close. Roberts has former Congressman Lacy Clay’s endorsement, plus slick TV ads and the money to run them. A very ambitious man.

  67. 67.

    AM in NC

    @EmbraceYourInnerCrone: All this.  Reifying that everything “feminine” is bad (especially when applied to men) is a problem that is still all too common, even among women.

    I also hate the word “pussy” being used as a synonym for weakness.  Show me something that is stronger, more flexible and more resilient than this body part that can accommodate birthing a motherfucking baby and then snap back into place just like that.  Calling someone a pussy should be a badge of honor.

    Now you want to see a weak body part, where accidentally tapping it  can put the bearer on his knees?  Every dude has ’em. But we use “dick” as a synonym for asshole – someone who is a jerk, but with implied strength and power. And we use “balls” as a direct synonym for guts and strength.

    So tired of scared weak men and scared weak women denigrating women and “female” characteristics and exalting violent, stupid, thoughtless, uncaring “manhood” as the ultimate in human character.

  68. 68.

    Another Scott

    @JWR: It worked so well for Zombie-Eyed Granny Starver.  Conservatives always recycle “ideas”.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  69. 69.

    JWR

    I just google image searched the “Man Card”, and below is the text on one of them:

    WHAT’S A MAN CARD?

    In a world of rapidly depleting testosterone, the Bushmaster Man Card declares and confirms that you are a Man’s Man, the last of a dying breed, with all the rights and privileges duly afforded. You carry it in your wallet, ready to show at a moment’s notice, instantly ending the discussion for any who would doubt you.

    It includes a description of the manly powers of your Man Card:

    ADAM L IS JUST UNMANNLY

    ADAM L. DECRIES THE EATING OF RED MEAT WHILE EXTOLLING THE VIRTUES OF SOY-BASED SUBSTITUTES FOR PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE ON EARTH

    MAN CARD REVOKED.

    What do I need with a stupid gun when the card accomplishes the same thing?

  70. 70.

    Suzanne

    Josh Hawley is just trying to target the Jordan Peterson cohort. Yawn. 

    Can I say that those slim suits that were trendy for a while — and Hawley still wears, I think — have a European look to them? I don’t know if I like them or not. I feel like they’re very hit or miss. I really don’t like them with a red tie. Terrible.

    I don’t know why incels can’t figure it out: what women like it not very complicated.

  72. 72.

    Geminid

    @PST: I never understood why people use “balls” to denote courage when “guts” is so much better. Maybe its from watching crime shows, talking about toughness the way the tough guys do

  74. 74.

    Antonius

    Given the number of mass shootings, I’d say young American White men are not spending anywhere near enough time on video games and porn.

  75. 75.

    NotMax

    @MattF

    … which is true…

    Except it’s not Selected snippets (emphasis added).

    Article 1, Section 2:

    No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

    Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers,…

    The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

    Section 3:

    Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes.&#8230

    No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.

    The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

    The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the Absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.

    The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

    Section 5:

    Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members

    And so on, and so on, and so on.

  76. 76.

    chrome agnomen

    @AM in NC: I don’t disagree with any of this, but I think acknowledgement must be made that pussy usually is shorthand for pussycat, not a reference to female anatomy.

  77. 77.

    Suzanne

    @AM in NC:

    Reifying that everything “feminine” is bad (especially when applied to men) is a problem that is still all too common, even among women. 

    I don’t know why we can’t all be just whole people with a range of interests and activities, and stop fucken worrying about the whole thing.

    I do yoga and enjoy skincare. I will also kick your ass at Mario Kart.

  81. 81.

    L Boom

    @Amir Khalid: Can’t forget Paul Lynde and Charles Nelson Reilly in the States in the 70’s, either. I also remember hearing rumors that the Village People were gay as a kid growing up in the Bible Belt. Huh. Ya think?

  82. 82.

    Uncle Cosmo

    The sum total of what Lord Haw-Hawley knows about “manhood” can be written on the head of a pin with a paint roller.

  83. 83.

    Robin Goodfellow

    @Baud: I agree, it struck me as being a little “concern trollish” whatever happened to “heighten the contradictions”? If you don’t exploit your opponents weaknesses then you are giving up an advantage, something your opponents would never do for you.

    The Hawling Man meme is never going away, what the poster is suggesting is unrealistic.

    On a unrelated note, most of the medics I knew in the Army, really didn’t obsess on being able to kill people 12 different ways in hand to hand combat. They were more of the “first do no harm” type. I guess 9-11 really did change everything.

  84. 84.

    Tony Jay

    @Amir Khalid:

    That both rings a bell and drops my jaw. Really? Really, Your Honour?

    @Feathers:

    Is that the Hays Code? I once read a tight little short-story that took a turn from the world we know when Fatty Arbuckle’s car breaks down on the way to the party where Virginia Rappé died of complications from a botched abortion, avoiding the straw-breaking scandal that finally convinced Hays to take up the role of independent censor like the studio chiefs – who feared some kind of regulation was coming, and didn’t want it to be imposed by federal law – had been asking him to.

    No Hays Code, Hollywood steadily gets raunchier, one thing leads to another and, well, Gone With The Wind is a very different film

  85. 85.

    JaneE

    I wonder if anyone has told Hawley that supporting polluter friendly legislation and policies was the wrong thing to do if you want to get endocrine disrupters out of your gonads.

  88. 88.

    Salty Sam

    @Amir Khalid: I am genuinely curious and would to know: does anyone actually sit down to read these vanity books that come out of Regnery?

    My step-father has bookshelves full of this dreck.  Yeah, he’s an asshole.

  89. 89.

    Ken

    The mention of negging reminded me of this XKCD. I would not be surprised if Hawley has been in this situation once or twice, or ten times because he strikes me as incapable of learning.

  90. 90.

    Jinchi

    Between Josh Hawley’s “Manhood” and Tucker Carlson’s testical tanning, I’m starting to think there’s an unspoken subtext to the far right wing’s ideology.

  91. 91.

    Paul in KY

    He looks like one of Warren Jeff’s ‘love’ children. Could get movie roles as ‘Creeper #2’.

  94. 94.

    stinger

    For me, scrolling through the OP, the “of course” moment was seeing the Regnery imprint on the Cover To Be Revealed.

    ETA: Or what Adam said @ comment 11.

  99. 99.

    Benno

    @Baud:

    Balls is something you used to not be able to say on TV. Bold!

    This. Except you can now, so maybe we can all just agree to go back to guts/gutsy

  102. 102.

    Paul in KY

    @stinger: Thanks! Some of the funnier bits are when they ad lib & crack each other up. When I was a kid, The Carol Burnette show was mustsee TV.

  103. 103.

    tam1MI

    Virginia Rappé died of complications from a botched abortion

    This is not true and an example of the many misogynistic smears about Ms. Rappe that cropped up after her death, and that have been accepted far too credulously for far too long. Just because a corrupt DA went on a legal rampage against Fatty Arbuckle doesn’t make Virginia Rappe a whore. I would recommend the book ROOM 1219 by Greg Merritt as an excellent read that debunks many of the myths surrounding the scandal and gets the facts straight.

  104. 104.

    J R in WV

    @Tony Jay:

    Also, too, Trump’s image is just fascist Liberace without the charisma or the talent.

    But also without the “great wardrobe” Liberace wore…

    When I was just a kid and saw Liberace on TV I didn’t understand his schtick at all, but now that I’m a man… whoo boy!

  105. 105.

    Kevin

    The Republican candidates on MO ballot are disturbing at best. I am frankly embarrassed any Democrat opposing them is not a shoo-in. Schmitt sued school districts trying to keep kids safe and had more than one trip to go worship Trump in Florida. Greitens should be in jail. Still holding out hope we can pull off a win but it ain’t looking good.

  107. 107.

    emmyelle

    In fairness, I don’t think they are actually “doing nothing” when they are watching porn on the internet.

  108. 108.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @tam1MI: maybe a dead thread, but…. are you familiar with a novel called I, Fatty ? I just heard an interview with the author. He didn’t talk about the novel, really, but it sounded intriguing to me.

     

    @J R in WV:

    Windsor Mann @WindsorMann Jul 28

    “He wears bronzer, loves gold and gossip, is obsessed with his physical appearance, whines constantly, can’t control his emotions, watches daytime television, enjoys parades and interior decorating, and used to sell perfume.” https://theweek.com/articles/816310/least-macho-president

    ETA: D’OH! That’s what I get for starting a thread form the end up

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