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You are here: Home / Open Threads / ‘Let justice be done upon him…’

‘Let justice be done upon him…’

by Betty Cracker|  August 10, 20225:00 pm| 130 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics

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Is it really still Wednesday? This week is eternal. Anyway, it looks like we could use a new thread, and here’s an illustration for it courtesy of valued commenter Steeplejack in the thread downstairs:

I’m no Sauron fan, but here’s why forming a fellowship to raid Mount Doom and destroy the One Ring is going to enrage his base

— Jokin Rokin Rokin Tolkien 🗡️🏹🪓 (@joshcarlosjosh) August 9, 2022

The Jokin Tolkien tweeter may have been referring to Andrew Yang’s much-ratioed hot take on the Disgraceland raid. Or maybe it was one of the many pundits who also expressed alarm at how MAGA dopes will react now that that rarest of guests has stepped through the gate at a Trump property: accountability.

Here’s a take in that vein from Tim Alberta at The Atlantic, who is alarmed at where all this may lead, specifically, to Civil War 2.0:

We don’t know exactly what the FBI was looking for at Mar-a-Lago. We don’t know what was found. What we must acknowledge—even those of us who believe Trump has committed crimes, in some cases brazenly so, and deserves full prosecution under the law—is that bringing him to justice could have some awful consequences.

Is that justice worth the associated risks? Yesterday, the nation’s top law-enforcement officers decided it was. We can only hope they were correct.

I’ve always been more of a “let justice be done though the heavens fall” kinda gal, so I can’t really relate to this kind of fretting, though I don’t think it’s unwarranted or improper to speculate about it. It’s an important question.

But the way I look at it, if a third or so of our fellow citizens are truly ready to go to war unless their political idols can commit crimes with impunity, maybe it’s best to hash it out before the anti-democracy party has another crack at executive and legislative power at the federal level.

Open thread.

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  1. 1.

    Miss Bianca

    August 10, 2022 at 5:06 pm

    And yet, what has actually happened, so far? Have the MAGAts started rioting in the streets over the raid? A lot of whining and posturing and pouting, yeah, but not that.

    Actually, I’m hoping that the “actions have consequences, motherfuckers, even *for* motherfuckers” message is starting to sink in to the MAGAtariat.

  2. 2.

    Josie

    August 10, 2022 at 5:08 pm

    I agree completely, BC. I don’t want to live in a country where we must fear the threats of a crazy minority. I do worry about the people most at risk in the next few months, but all of us must figure out ways to protect them.

  3. 3.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 10, 2022 at 5:09 pm

    to my mind, such as it is, the very real risk of political violence, even if it’s well short of civil war, increases the burden of that sliver of Republicans who know what trump is and have stuck their necks part of the way out to oppose him. Romney, god help us, should be their leader. I am not optimistic.

    (Tim Alberta and Mitt Romney… I’m too tired for a side-rant)

  4. 4.

    JaySinWA

    August 10, 2022 at 5:10 pm

    @Miss Bianca: There was a collection of the rowdy deplorables outside MAL. I haven’t heard whether they have been embraced or shooed away. I had visions of a Bundyville happening.

  5. 5.

    Scout211

    August 10, 2022 at 5:10 pm

    A little humor from Andy Borowitz.

    PALM BEACH (The Borowitz Report)—F.B.I. agents swarming over Donald J. Trump’s Florida estate reported that they have so far been unable to locate the health-care plan that he had promised to deliver while President.
    “Trump said that the plan was terrific and beautiful and far better than Obamacare,” Harland Dorrinson, the lead F.B.I. agent searching the estate, said. “If we could get our hands on it, that would be a game changer for our country.”
    Agents cracked open the former President’s safe but were frustrated in their attempts to find any documents with the words “health” or “care” in them.
    “It’s got to be around here somewhere,” one F.B.I. agent said.
    As of late Monday night, a Bureau spokesman indicated that the agents had also been unable to find a prescription-drug plan, an infrastructure plan, or the framework for a peace treaty with North Korea.

  6. 6.

    Frankensteinbeck

    August 10, 2022 at 5:10 pm

    The bravest and most hardcore among them, gathered from around the nation, were just barely brave enough to stampede over lightly armed police they outnumbered 100 to 1, then mill about randomly as soon as they lost an obvious target.  Oh, and it turned out afterwards they did it because they were convinced they would face no consequences.  No, there’s no chance whatsoever of this starting a civil war.  Every time they lose something conservatives launch into these violent fantasies.  Chickenshit bravado is a keystone of their culture.

  7. 7.

    Baud

    August 10, 2022 at 5:11 pm

    I think the most you can hope for is random acts of domestic terrorism.

  8. 8.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 10, 2022 at 5:13 pm

    Kurt Anderson said on this topic a few minutes ago on MSNBC: A coupla dozen old people wandered around outside the gates of MAL for a couple of hours. I laughed. OTOH, NBC’s dark-internet reporter (Ben Collins?) has been saying that trumpy internet hasn’t been so angry since the run-up to 1/6

    I’m more concerned than Anderson, but as Dan Pfeiffer of the O’Bros always says: worry about everything, panic about nothing

  9. 9.

    Baud

    August 10, 2022 at 5:13 pm

    @Scout211:

    👍

  10. 10.

    JaySinWA

    August 10, 2022 at 5:14 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I see more stochastic violence in our future. We may see more organized problems from Militias and similar groups, but hopefully the J6 convictions have started to tamp that down or even culled some of the more ardent followers and leaders.

  11. 11.

    schrodingers_cat

    August 10, 2022 at 5:14 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: Well said. I agree with you 💯. MSM insistence of how we need to be afraid of these clowns is tiresome

  12. 12.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 10, 2022 at 5:15 pm

    Eric Swalwell:

    LISTEN to this death threat against my children. Since the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago, Trump, McCarthy, and MAGA Republicans are stoking violent rhetoric against lawmakers and law enforcement. Someone is going to get killed.

  13. 13.

    schrodingers_cat

    August 10, 2022 at 5:15 pm

    @Baud: Yes that too.

  14. 14.

    Pittsburgh Mike

    August 10, 2022 at 5:16 pm

    Love the Borowitz.

    I have to admit that crap like Tim Alberta’s really pisses me off.  It makes us look weak when we won’t stand up to brazen law breaking.  In this particular case it also looks stupid, because Mr Alberta actually doesn’t have a clue what the FBI was looking for, so he’s just whining abstractly, worrying that we better not piss off the MAGA hats, or they might come back and drive around the DC beltway again, though probably not until gas drops below $3/gallon.

  15. 15.

    satby

    August 10, 2022 at 5:16 pm

    @Baud: Not sure “hope” is the word we would want to use there. Maybe anticipate or expect. But on the larger point I agree, I doubt much more than random nutters will actually act on their civil war fantasies. And we as a nation deal with that kind of random terrorist at least weekly now anyway.

  16. 16.

    NotMax

    August 10, 2022 at 5:17 pm

    @Scout211

    “My God. It’s full of stars Big Macs!”

    //

  17. 17.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 10, 2022 at 5:18 pm

    All we need is for people in government to simply do their jobs.  It really isn’t complicated.

  18. 18.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 10, 2022 at 5:18 pm

    @JaySinWA: It’s FL so my understanding is that we can run them over, right?

  19. 19.

    hells littlest angel

    August 10, 2022 at 5:20 pm

    It would be a damned shame if we had to kill all the fascists. A damned shame.

  20. 20.

    trollhattan

    August 10, 2022 at 5:20 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Which is more dangerous, methed-up Trumpers or an Iranian hit squad going for John Bolton? Experts disagree.

  21. 21.

    scav

    August 10, 2022 at 5:21 pm

    They don’t even know what the search was about — as they go on and on and on about at great volume — but they are simultaneously adamant the individual is manifestly innocent of whatever the hell it is.  Reminds me of the idiot who insisted there were no Christmas parties at N° 10 during lockdown and, if there were, they followed all the rules.

  22. 22.

    narya

    August 10, 2022 at 5:21 pm

    Since it’s an open thread and this is a full-service blog: The running thing I’ve been doing used to send out a “medal” with every state you finished, in addition to the state-shaped magnet. I have no use for these–EXCEPT! they’re hexagonal, and wood, and if I could glue them together would actually be useful as trivets. What’s the best glue to use for this project? (The sides a a little finished, but I’m assuming I could sand if need be.)

  23. 23.

    Chief Oshkosh

    August 10, 2022 at 5:21 pm

    But the way I look at it, if a third or so of our fellow citizens are truly ready to go to war unless their political idols can commit crimes with impunity, maybe it’s best to hash it out before the anti-democracy party has another crack at executive and legislative power at the federal level.

    I agree. Possibly this is saying the same thing, or something similar, but I think it’s important that that third be shown that there are consequences for breaking “the rules” — for breaking the law. Many of the red holes I have to work with (and several of my family members) who are part of that “third or so of our fellow citizens” truly believe that it’s not illegal, or even wrong, if you’re never caught and punished. I know for that a significant portion of that group of droolers that even full prosecution and full punishment of their orange false god will not even suggest to them that he (and they) have done anything wrong, but there are some who will get it. Further, it’s important to the rest of us, the two-thirds of us, that the rule of law prevail. And it’s important for the rest of the world to see this happen as transparently and decisively as possible.

  24. 24.

    dm

    August 10, 2022 at 5:22 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: Yes, I expect a lot of this.

    Adam Kinzinger has been getting such threats against his children for a while.  And so have poll watchers and election officials.

    It’s easy to quote Ben Franklin about choosing security over liberty and ending up with neither when it’s not your kids on the receiving end of death threats.

    But what choice do we have?  Surrender?

    On the other hand, we’ve been through this before.  Some of us have always been going through it.

  25. 25.

    billcinsd

    August 10, 2022 at 5:25 pm

    What idiots like Tim Alberta fail to take into account are the troubles we have if we don’t strive for justice

  26. 26.

    Bupalos

    August 10, 2022 at 5:26 pm

    “But the way I look at it, if a third or so of our fellow citizens are truly ready to go to war unless their political idols can commit crimes with impunity, maybe it’s best to hash it out before the anti-democracy party has another crack at executive and legislative power at the federal level.”

    It’s impossible not to say amen here. At the same time it could be that slimeballs feed off the energy. That if we really can just kind of ignore them and actually crank out policy and reinvigorate the idea that a better future is possible and on the way, they might wither on the vine?

    I really don’t know. Obviously this was Biden’s original plan, and I wasn’t too enthusiastic about it until last week when it actually looked like patience and grinding were paying off. Then of course it goes 900mph off the rails.

  27. 27.

    brendancalling

    August 10, 2022 at 5:26 pm

    I despise the “if we bring him to justice his fanboys might act out” line of thinking. It’s doing the abusers’ work for them.
    of course they’re going to act out. So what? Prosecute them when they do. Doing nothing enables the criminals.

  28. 28.

    David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 10, 2022 at 5:27 pm

    Liberal F.B.I. is out of control

  29. 29.

    satby

    August 10, 2022 at 5:28 pm

    @dm: well the dumbshit who left that message for Swalwell didn’t disguise his voice and probably used his own phone, so the FBI will be able to track him down without too much trouble. And soon I hope.

  30. 30.

    brendancalling

    August 10, 2022 at 5:28 pm

    @hells littlest angel: very very sad. Sadder than the saddest song in Sadville.

  31. 31.

    Ksmiami

    August 10, 2022 at 5:30 pm

    @hells littlest angel: the only good fascist is a dead one

  32. 32.

    Redshift

    August 10, 2022 at 5:30 pm

    I’m seeing some strong parallels between these kind of takes and the “if we let Putin have something to save face, surely he won’t take it as a signal to grab for more” on Ukraine.

    Some TFG’s followers may get violent if he’s investigated/indicted/prosecuted, but he absolutely will commit more crimes if he thinks he’s immune from prosecution. The people who worry about the violence or the “unprecedented” nature of the action never seem to reckon with that half.

  33. 33.

    Frankensteinbeck

    August 10, 2022 at 5:30 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Now, they do go all-in on harassment, because they can do 99% of it anonymously from their arm chair, and they know the cops shrug and do nothing.  It is the chickenshit’s violence.

  34. 34.

    Ksmiami

    August 10, 2022 at 5:30 pm

    @brendancalling: drone strikes work…

  35. 35.

    RSA

    August 10, 2022 at 5:31 pm

    Selective enforcement of the law prompts calls for violence…

    In this case, of course, it’s about Donald Trump and the far right, but I can’t help being reminded that this is what they said (mostly without justification) was the problem with the BLM movement.

  36. 36.

    Baud

    August 10, 2022 at 5:31 pm

    @Bupalos:

    At the same time it could be that slimeballs feed off the energy.

    For the vast majority of them, they want to provoke a violent response rather than instigate one themselves.  Then they will run and hide behind law enforcement while it does its thing.

  37. 37.

    Bupalos

    August 10, 2022 at 5:32 pm

    @brendancalling: I think this is right. You can’t let the threat of tantrums affect accountability.

    At the same time, it would be good if the spectacle of the tantrums was lessened. Like if we stopped raising our voice at it.

    Easier said than done. There’s a reason their toddler-strategy works.

  38. 38.

    Chief Oshkosh

    August 10, 2022 at 5:33 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Absolutely agree. I couldn’t care less if this latest Cheetoh Cha-Cha upsets them. Actually, who am I kidding. I LOVE LOVE LOVE that this upsets them — puts ’em one day closer to the cardio event that will make the world a better place.

  39. 39.

    Ken

    August 10, 2022 at 5:34 pm

    Tim Alberta’s argument wouldn’t even be made if the terrorists were foreign instead of domestic. No one was saying “Look at what al Qaeda did on September 11, we daren’t risk going after bin Laden or they might do worse.”

    We don’t even make it when other states are involved. We haven’t capitulated to the Russians’ demands out of fear they’ll launch their nukes, and no one is saying we have to turn over John Bolton to the Iranians lest they do us some harm (thanks for the example, trollhattan).

  40. 40.

    Redshift

    August 10, 2022 at 5:35 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    No, there’s no chance whatsoever of this starting a civil war. Every time they lose something conservatives launch into these violent fantasies. Chickenshit bravado is a keystone of their culture.

    I agree, but I have less confidence ever since, as a lifelong DC-area resident, I confidently assured worried out of town friends that Jan 6 was nothing to worry about; there are never as many of them as they claim.

    So no, no civil war, they’re not organized enough and most of them will never get off their asses, but more random violence. (Though against our current backdrop of random gun violence, it may not even be noticeable.)

  41. 41.

    David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 10, 2022 at 5:38 pm

    I can’t take Vichy Tim Alberta seriously, especially on these matters:

    Romney’s actions caused one prominent political writer [Tim Alberta] to advance an argument that many conservatives have embraced in the Trump era — that Democratic attacks on Romney during the 2012 presidential campaign are to blame for the GOP’s radicalization and the emergence of Trump.

    If we had only bowed to vulture capitalist St. Mittens who wanted to bankrupt the auto industry there would be no Dump.

    Wrong. Dump isn’t the result of not appeasing the right. He’s the result of millionaires and billionaires and corporations whipping up paranoia and hate through their propaganda channels for 50 years, since the Powell memo in 1971.

    Alberta and the party of personal responsibility wants to blame everyone except those who committed the crimes.

  42. 42.

    Kent

    August 10, 2022 at 5:38 pm

    When it comes to Trump and Trump world, I have found that there is absolutely NOTHING the government can do or not do that will be somehow be spun into enabling Trump and encouraging his base.

    Let him get away with 1/6 and all his crimes?   That just encourages him and his base.

    Investigate Trump?  That just encourages him and his base

    Try and convict Trump?  That just encourages him and his base.

    Since no matter what the government does it will be spun up into some sort of encouragement for Trump and his base, they government might as well just ignore the politics and actually DO THE RIGHT THING.

  43. 43.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 10, 2022 at 5:39 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    True.

    @Kent:

    These motherfuckers go into rages over pronouns!

  44. 44.

    Redshift

    August 10, 2022 at 5:40 pm

    @JaySinWA:

    There was a collection of the rowdy deplorables outside MAL. I haven’t heard whether they have been embraced or shooed away. I had visions of a Bundyville happening.

    Yet another reason the FBI was smart to carry out the search warrant while Orangemandias wasn’t there (though it was probably just standard procedure.) They drive some pickups up and down in front of the Winter Palace, but he’s not there, the FBI isn’t there, and there’s nothing to sustain the energy.

  45. 45.

    Josie

    August 10, 2022 at 5:40 pm

    Coincidentally, I just read on Political Wire that pro-Trump extremists on message boards, etc., are threatening the judge who signed the warrant

  46. 46.

    Kevin

    August 10, 2022 at 5:41 pm

    Half these fuckers know he’s guilty of something (no one is saying he’s innocent they’re all just railing on the libs) and ain’t gonna risk losing their crap in a civil war. Except for the truly crazy who will probably just keep doing random stuff like threatening politicians or coming up with half baked plans to kidnap governors. Which is obviously also bad.  As long as the 1/6 committee keeps tossing enough of them in jail that should be a sufficient deterrent.

    Don’t negotiate with terrorists.

  47. 47.

    Kent

    August 10, 2022 at 5:42 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:The bravest and most hardcore among them, gathered from around the nation, were just barely brave enough to stampede over lightly armed police they outnumbered 100 to 1, then mill about randomly as soon as they lost an obvious target.  Oh, and it turned out afterwards they did it because they were convinced they would face no consequences.  No, there’s no chance whatsoever of this starting a civil war.  Every time they lose something conservatives launch into these violent fantasies.  Chickenshit bravado is a keystone of their culture.

    Exactly.  The pathetic Freedom Convoy that ended with a row of trucks in Central DC following a lone bicyclist at 5 mph is how these things usually end.  They start out with the assumption that EVERYONE is with them based on their incoherent and imaginary grievances.  Mainly because all their information comes from a hermetically sealed MAGA echo chamber.  And then when no one actually gives a shit or is just annoyed they get all confused and desperate.

  48. 48.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 10, 2022 at 5:43 pm

    @Josie: ​ 

    Far-Right Extremists Are Violently Threatening the Trump Search-Warrant Judge

  49. 49.

    brendancalling

    August 10, 2022 at 5:45 pm

    @Bupalos: Yes. Arrest them, prosecute them, put them in jail for a long time and forget about them. Or let the NG mow them down, that’s also fine by me.

    General Sherman had the right idea.

  50. 50.

    Kent

    August 10, 2022 at 5:47 pm

    @JaySinWA:@Miss Bianca: There was a collection of the rowdy deplorables outside MAL. I haven’t heard whether they have been embraced or shooed away. I had visions of a Bundyville happening.

    It is hurricane season and hot as hell on that strip of asphalt.   No one with money sticks around that neighborhood during August.  August is the low season on the Florida coast.

    Let them all stay there and become hurricane bait.  Who gives a shit.  Nature will take care of it.

  51. 51.

    brendancalling

    August 10, 2022 at 5:47 pm

    @Ksmiami: And very efficiently.

    Like I said in the comment about, Sherman had the right idea.

  52. 52.

    trollhattan

    August 10, 2022 at 5:48 pm

    @David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:

    Attacks on Mittens such as, “Please proceed, governor.”

    Willard’s bespoke loafer inserted in the mouth of the Willard was the essence of how he was so badly whupped. “Gosh fellas, now who let these dogs free?”

  53. 53.

    Uncle Cosmo

    August 10, 2022 at 5:49 pm

    Open thread, so just for the record: At roughly 9:02 PM this past Monday evening on the U.S. East Coast**, the planet marked its 77th full year since any human being has been attacked with an atomic weapon.

    Considering the tens of thousands of these monstrosities that were built and fielded, most of them at least as powerful as Little Boy and Fat Man, and considering the number of ways and means and opportunities we humans have devised to kill one another in large numbers…that is IMO pretty damned remarkable, and a reason to look to the future with hope.

    ** As near as I can figure.

  54. 54.

    different-church-lady

    August 10, 2022 at 5:50 pm

    is that bringing him to justice could have some awful consequences.

    Of course what’s being missed here is not bringing him to justice also has some awful consequences.

  55. 55.

    Old School

    August 10, 2022 at 5:51 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: I think he’s got his slurs mixed up.

  56. 56.

    different-church-lady

    August 10, 2022 at 5:53 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: You may turn out to be right about all-out actions. But we should be more worried about the individual Timothy McVey kinds of things — there’s no question GOP support of the Trump personality cult greatly fans that kind of smolder.

  57. 57.

    different-church-lady

    August 10, 2022 at 5:54 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Shit. We’re fucked.

  58. 58.

    Ken

    August 10, 2022 at 5:55 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: These motherfuckers go into rages over pronouns!

    Or “Happy Holidays”.

    (Stolen from some twitterer, as quoted in one of yesterday’s threads.)

  59. 59.

    dmsilev

    August 10, 2022 at 5:55 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Willard’s bespoke loafer inserted in the mouth of the Willard was the essence of how he was so badly whupped. “Gosh fellas, now who let these dogs free?”

    A fond memory of the 2012 campaign: Someone in my parents’ hometown spent most of that fall driving around with a huge stuffed-animal dog strapped to the roof of their car. No sign or anything, as that would have been entirely superfluous.

  60. 60.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 10, 2022 at 5:56 pm

    @Old School:

    He also can play only one note.

  61. 61.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 10, 2022 at 5:56 pm

    @hells littlest angel:

    It would be a damned shame if we had to kill all the fascists. A damned shame.

    If the answer to our political problems turns out to be “commit a mass murder 7 or 8 times as large as Hitler’s”, that’s a problem.

  62. 62.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 10, 2022 at 5:59 pm

    @different-church-lady:  Mot at all.  What we see happening is because people are doing their jobs.  No ad libs and no bullshit.  It works.

  63. 63.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 10, 2022 at 6:01 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Our blood-thirsty chorus of usual suspects would disagree.

  64. 64.

    Elizabelle

    August 10, 2022 at 6:02 pm

    bringing [Trump] to justice could have some awful consequences.

    Is that justice worth the associated risks? Yesterday, the nation’s top law-enforcement officers decided it was. We can only hope they were correct.

    Shall we send Tim Alberta a big package of Depends?

    Jeezus.  Does Alberta have any clue what went on in the 1930s and 1940s?

    Appease the aspiring domestic terrorists and vote suppressors in our midst?  I think not.

    Not gonna waste an Atlantic click on Alberta’s article.  Is it more nuanced than the pull quote (which is pretty bad)?

  65. 65.

    Steeplejack

    August 10, 2022 at 6:04 pm

    @Chief Oshkosh:

    I know for that a significant portion of that group of droolers that even full prosecution and full punishment of their orange false god will not even suggest to them that he (and they) have done anything wrong [. . .].

    I’m not sure they have to believe that. It might be enough that they know, or have a very strong belief, that if they fuck around they will find out in a very painful way. In my (mercifully limited) experience with shitbirds, they rarely ever take any blame or responsibility for their actions—it’s always the other guy’s fault or “The Man is downin’ me!”—but they can be trained (in a Pavlovian way) to avoid doing stuff that lowers the boom on them.

  66. 66.

    Fair Economist

    August 10, 2022 at 6:04 pm

    What the people supposedly worrying about “what will the MAGATs do” are *really* worried about is that they’ll do what we’re seeing now – a few old fogies waving flags in front of random government offices * – and supporters of America will become more confident in getting Trump to face the justice he has so long deserved. It’s just another of the fake moderates’ increasingly desperate tactics to derail the investigation.

    It’s pretty lame, too, because Merrick Garland certainly doesn’t give a toot, and I don’t think Tish James or the Fulton County DA care either.

    * The OC protest is supposed to be at the county courthouse, which has nothing to do with the FBI.

  67. 67.

    Elizabelle

    August 10, 2022 at 6:07 pm

    The fired Rocky Mount VA police officer (Thomas Robertson, who ordered dozens of guns while out on bail for J6 charges and ended up jailed for months before his trial) is up for sentencing soon.  Prosecutors have asked for eight years.

    I wonder if this crap will actually motivate the judges/juries to throw the books at these losers.

    You do not appease people who tried to overthrow the government, and are likely to do it again.

    I hope we are stepping up security for judges and their families.  It may come to that.

  68. 68.

    Wilson Heath

    August 10, 2022 at 6:07 pm

    “I’ve got good reason to believe
    Felony evidence was retrieved
    From Disgraceland”

  69. 69.

    Van Buren

    August 10, 2022 at 6:07 pm

    In WWII, partisans took action against Germans, knowing full well that there would be violent reprisals. The alternative is acquiescence to evil.

    It takes a shitload of courage, but it is the correct course of action.

  70. 70.

    Steeplejack

    August 10, 2022 at 6:08 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Thanks for the hat tip, Betty! 👉 😺 👈 That was the funniest take I saw today and perfectly summed up the situation.

    New stuff always coming in, of course.

  71. 71.

    Geminid

    August 10, 2022 at 6:10 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: I think the effects of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were so horrible that nuclear weapons became a last resort. Had these weapons made it to the next war without being used before they might have become acceptable.

  72. 72.

    Ksmiami

    August 10, 2022 at 6:13 pm

    @brendancalling:  should have Marshall planned the South in 1866… The Confederate disease has poisoned the patient

  73. 73.

    Mallard Filmore

    August 10, 2022 at 6:14 pm

    In the previous thread, Ken said

    I suppose there’s no chance that the House Democrats would troll the Republicans, by issuing a subpoena requiring Trump to appear and release the warrant. Such stodgy sticks-in-the-mud.

    The Dems could certainly write up such a bill and then go around asking for GOP co-sponsors.

  74. 74.

    cckids

    August 10, 2022 at 6:14 pm

    Not to go all biblical on DT’s ass, but:

    “Let justice roll down like water, and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.”

    Also, damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead.

  75. 75.

    Geminid

    August 10, 2022 at 6:14 pm

    @different-church-lady: That’s what I worry about. I think that trump is a spent force even though his most ardent fans don’t know it. Maybe some future fascist will be able to get a civil war going. In the meantime it’s guys building bombs in their workshops and barns that I fear. I had my fingers crossed during the last election, hoping someone didn’t set a bomb off at a polling place.

  76. 76.

    BruceFromOhio

    August 10, 2022 at 6:19 pm

    .. that rarest of guests has stepped through the gate at a Trump property: accountability.

    BC, you been rocking the turn of the phrase of late. Do please continue so I may steal them all and use them with impunity.

    @Kent: This.

    Granted it is Politico, even if you can’t bag these guys on a full-blown RICO, conspiracy to commit a coup is gonna leave a mark. Roll the little guys to bag some big guys works either way.

  77. 77.

    BruceFromOhio

    August 10, 2022 at 6:20 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: ​
     

    These motherfuckers go into rages over pronouns!

    There HAS to be a way to weaponize that and break some rhetorical kneecaps with it.

  78. 78.

    J R in WV

    August 10, 2022 at 6:22 pm

    @Ksmiami: ​
     

    the only good fascist is a dead one

    the only good fascist is a dead one in prison for a life sentence!

  79. 79.

    trollhattan

    August 10, 2022 at 6:24 pm

    @BruceFromOhio: We can start with “sir.”

  80. 80.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 10, 2022 at 6:25 pm

    Well, it’s been real, Juicers, but I have now found my new internet hangout — The Right Way. Gonna get me some hot conservative chicks, conserva-chicks!

  81. 81.

    livewyre

    August 10, 2022 at 6:26 pm

    @J R in WV: ​I’m torn on whether this charming individual is aware of where that saying came from, or how it comes across in context. Then again, these blood fantasies are self-parodying enough that presuming awareness of context might be a bit generous. At least it’s ongoing proof of how pathetic the case is against rule of law.​​

  82. 82.

    Roger Moore

    August 10, 2022 at 6:27 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Chickenshit bravado is a keystone of their culture.

    +1. I would extend it a bit further: a core principle of Trumpism is talk is more important than action.  It applies to so much more than just chickenshit bravado.  It explains why they keep listening to sermons on the sin of adultery from preachers who have affairs, talk about how much they love babies while cutting prenatal care, use “support the troops” as a slogan while opposing healthcare for veterans who got cancer from burn pits, and on and on.  As long as you say the right things, they don’t care what you do.

  83. 83.

    Tony G

    August 10, 2022 at 6:27 pm

    “Civil War”.  What a load of bullshit.  I’m a 66 year old man.  I’ve seen plenty of men in my life who like to talk tough but who are cowards who would not risk a paper cut.  There’s a very high overlap between men like that and Trump worshippers.  These men are cowards, and these men are stupid.  They are much too cowardly to risk their personal comfort, let alone to risk their lives.  They are too stupid to plan any kind of significant terrorist campaign.  The United States Army is almost half non-white at this point.  If they fantasize that the army will support them in their Patriotic War they will be in for a rude surprise.  If these stupid, overweight white assholes were to get out of their easy chairs and try something, they will be squashed like bugs.  Fuck these assholes.  And fuck the media for treating these people with anything only than the contempt that they deserve

  84. 84.

    trollhattan

    August 10, 2022 at 6:29 pm

    @dmsilev: A fond memory of the 2012 campaign: Someone in my parents’ hometown spent most of that fall driving around with a huge stuffed-animal dog strapped to the roof of their car. No sign or anything, as that would have been entirely superfluous.

    Too funny!

    The opposite of a Garrison cartoon, where the dog, cage, car, driver’s window and possibly the road would all sport descriptive labels. “My joke, now do you get it, my very bright followers?”

  85. 85.

    Scout211

    August 10, 2022 at 6:30 pm

    This the Washington Examiner so consider the source, but I am reading many conservative media outlets are saying they requested that the Magistrate who approved the search warrant, unseal it.

    The Department of Justice must respond to motions to unseal the warrant behind the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump’shome in Mar-a-Lago, the magistrate judge who approved the unprecedented search ordered Thursday.

    Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart, who is believed to have signed the still-sealed FBI warrant approving the bureau’s Trump raid, said the DOJ must now “file a Response to the Motion to Unseal” following efforts by Albany-based news outlet the Times Unionand the conservative advocacy group Judicial Watch requesting the DOJ make the warrant public.

    Reinhart said the DOJ’s response may be filed “ex parte and under seal as necessary to avoid disclosing matters already under seal,” meaning that the full response may be secret but that “the Government shall file a redacted Response in the public record” too.

  86. 86.

    Steeplejack

    August 10, 2022 at 6:30 pm

    @Josie:

    Ari Melber just pointed out that the judge’s page has been removed from (or locked down at) his court’s website.

  87. 87.

    trollhattan

    August 10, 2022 at 6:30 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: “Stuff”? Is that how the cool kids describe it now?

  88. 88.

    BruceFromOhio

    August 10, 2022 at 6:31 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: ​
      Eww. It’s like a slow-motion train-wreck. Some of the replies are hilarious.

  89. 89.

    Roger Moore

    August 10, 2022 at 6:32 pm

    @narya:

    What’s the best glue to use for this project?

    I would think any of the standard PVA wood glues would work fine.  They’re even food safe.  I would probably lean toward something like Titebond II or Titebond III, which are water resistant.

  90. 90.

    Dangerman

    August 10, 2022 at 6:32 pm

    They better get cracking on their Civil War. Football season is almost here.

  91. 91.

    JaneE

    August 10, 2022 at 6:34 pm

    But the way I look at it, if a third or so of our fellow citizens are truly ready to go to war unless their political idols can commit crimes with impunity, maybe it’s best to hash it out before the anti-democracy party has another crack at executive and legislative power at the federal level.

    What she said.

  92. 92.

    Elizabelle

    August 10, 2022 at 6:35 pm

    Lovely thunder storm rolling through now.  I love a good summer storm.  When inside and not out driving in it, etc etc etc.

    So hot today that the Botanical Garden in Richmond cancelled entrance to the butterflies exhibit.  They require more cool than we have; could not have guests swinging the doors open constantly.

  93. 93.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 10, 2022 at 6:37 pm

    @trollhattan:

    NO PRONOUNS!

    @BruceFromOhio:

    “Swipe white” got me laughing.

    Also, the Fox newsers are not handling the warrant and search very well. Particularly, Judge Three Bottles of Wine.

  94. 94.

    Redshift

    August 10, 2022 at 6:40 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    Open thread, so just for the record: At roughly 9:02 PM this past Monday evening on the U.S. East Coast**, the planet marked its 77th full year since any human being has been attacked with an atomic weapon.

    Considering the tens of thousands of these monstrosities that were built and fielded, most of them at least as powerful as Little Boy and Fat Man, and considering the number of ways and means and opportunities we humans have devised to kill one another in large numbers…that is IMO pretty damned remarkable, and a reason to look to the future with hope.

    There was a fascinating Twitter thread from a historian today (h/t Cheryl Rofer) about how, contrary to common belief, Truman’s decision to reserve to the president sole authority for using nuclear weapons was mainly about stopping the military from using them, and the anniversary shows how wise that judgment was:

    August 10, 1945, has over time for me taken on perhaps as much historical significance as August 6 and August 9, when it comes to thinking about the atomic bomb and our nuclear world. August 10 is when Truman ordered that further atomic bombing stop — and was under his authority. pic.twitter.com/mj8dgBtj93
    — Alex Wellerstein (@wellerstein) August 10, 2022

  95. 95.

    Geminid

    August 10, 2022 at 6:43 pm

    @cckids: “Damn the torpedos, full speed ahead!”: the words attributed to Admiral David Farragut during the battle of Mobile Bay. He may have said something like “Damn the torpedos, four bells!” but that’s not as snappy.

    Farragut had climbed into the rigging of his flagship Brooklyn so he could see above the smoke when the U.S. ships ran past the forts guarding Mobile Bay. The Brooklyn’s captain was afraid he might fall and sent a sailor up to lash Farrugut to the mast. Then the monitor Tecumsah hit a torpedo, or mine, and sank with 121 of the 145 sailors on board lost. The Brooklyn slowed down and that’s when Farragut gave his famous order.

    The battle of Mobile Bay was on August 5, 1864. Along with Sherman’s capture of Atlanta and Sheridan’s victory at Cedar Creek, this battle helped Lincoln win reelection by pursuading the North that the Confederacy would in fact be beaten.

  96. 96.

    Ken

    August 10, 2022 at 6:44 pm

    @Scout211: Definitely getting a “Please proceed, Governor” vibe from that request.  I’m also half-expecting Trump to file a panicky counter-motion to keep the warrant sealed.

  97. 97.

    Bill Arnold

    August 10, 2022 at 6:44 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:
    That series of death threats is a Trump advert. Near the end.
    “Trump 2024! Because the GOP rules!”
    The Base speaks.
    (Very very very … base. [1])

    [1] morally low; without estimable personal qualities; dishonorable; meanspirited; selfish; cowardly

  98. 98.

    prostratedragon

    August 10, 2022 at 6:45 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:  [sigh] I hope and assume people around the judge and his family are as unsurprised by  this as many here, and they get adequate protection.  This is going to be something to plan for for quite a while.

  99. 99.

    Roger Moore

    August 10, 2022 at 6:47 pm

    @dm:

    It’s easy to quote Ben Franklin about choosing security over liberty and ending up with neither when it’s not your kids on the receiving end of death threats.

    The one thing I would say is that anonymous threats on the Internet are a dime a dozen.  Lots of people make outlandish threats because it’s easy and apparently consequence-free.  I agree it has to be stressful for the people receiving them, since they don’t know if the threat they received is one of the tiny fraction of a percent that are serious.  The only thing to do is to turn the threats over to the appropriate authorities and try to carry on as best they can.

  100. 100.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 10, 2022 at 6:49 pm

    @Bill Arnold:

    [1] morally low; without estimable personal qualities; dishonorable; meanspirited; selfish; cowardly

    That fits them to a T.

    @prostratedragon:

    I can’t imagine what it’s like to be on the receiving end of that.

    Also, on another note, the San Francisco Giants are a terrible baseball team.

  101. 101.

    Roger Moore

    August 10, 2022 at 6:53 pm

    @David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:

    Wrong. Dump isn’t the result of not appeasing the right.

    He’s also the result of pardoning Nixon “to help the nation heal”, letting Reagan pawn off responsibility for Iran-Contra onto subordinates (who Bush I then pardoned), and generally letting the rich and powerful get away with stuff.  The culture of impunity for the haves breeds this stuff.

  102. 102.

    Geminid

    August 10, 2022 at 6:57 pm

    @Roger Moore: Titebond glue might require some compression. Gorrilla glue may be better. It’s gap filling. Gotta stay on top of the clean up, but a toothbrush and water will work. There is a Gorrilla glue now that stays clear. The original makes an orange foam but it still cleans up with water and a brush.

    @Narya

  103. 103.

    jonas

    August 10, 2022 at 6:58 pm

    @scav: The fact that they haven’t publicized the warrant is a dead giveaway. If it was clearly a bunch of vague nonsense anyone with a modicum of legal training could tell you was a wild goose chase with no substance behind it, they would release it and let everyone tear it apart and start calling for the immediate resignation of the judge who signed it all the way up to Merrick Garland.

    But no. They haven’t released the warrant and now the line is that anything that was seized was totally planted. Ok, Jan.

  104. 104.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 10, 2022 at 7:00 pm

    We don’t know exactly what the FBI was looking for at Mar-a-Lago. We don’t know what was found. What we must acknowledge—even those of us who believe Trump has committed crimes, in some cases brazenly so, and deserves full prosecution under the law—is that bringing him to justice could have some awful consequences.

     

    Is that justice worth the associated risks? Yesterday, the nation’s top law-enforcement officers decided it was. We can only hope they were correct.

    Is bitchslapping Tim Alberta worth the consequences if I ever encounter him?  The bullshit he wrote up above makes me decide that it would be.

  105. 105.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 10, 2022 at 7:02 pm

    The Little League regionals are now on TV.

    You know what that means? We get to see more 11-year-olds cry!

  106. 106.

    Baud

    August 10, 2022 at 7:05 pm

    It just occurred to me that if Trump is subject to consequences for his actions, I might be subject to consequences for my actions.

  107. 107.

    NotoriousJRT

    August 10, 2022 at 7:05 pm

    100% with you, Betty C.  No one thinks that people who think Trump is a crook will rebel if he isn’t at least held to account in some fashion. It’s anothet way the brown shirts get their way.

  108. 108.

    Elizabelle

    August 10, 2022 at 7:10 pm

    @Baud:   What is TLA?  Three Letter Acronym?

  109. 109.

    Baud

    August 10, 2022 at 7:11 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Yes.

  110. 110.

    narya

    August 10, 2022 at 7:12 pm

    @Geminid: @Roger Moore: Thank you! I was looking at the Gorilla Glue but wasn’t sure how good it would be. I’ll also check out the Titebonds.

  111. 111.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 10, 2022 at 7:13 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    The Little League regionals are now on TV. 

    You know what that means? We get to see more 11-year-olds cry!

    And this brings you joy because of what?

  112. 112.

    geg6

    August 10, 2022 at 7:15 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    That’s exactly what their religion preaches. Do anything you want as long as you are “saved” and go to your mega church and can mouth a lot of pieties and hate on anyone who doesn’t follow the pieties that you espouse but don’t live.  It’s a joke of a religion and that, in turn, makes their politics a joke.

  113. 113.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    August 10, 2022 at 7:16 pm

    I recall the Peace Protestors always said the guy at the meeting calling for for voilance is the FBI informant.   If you follow that line of reasoning one of the purposes of this raid was set off some of the dumber MAGA twits to going over the line so the FBI can arrest them before fall election.

  114. 114.

    Roger Moore

    August 10, 2022 at 7:17 pm

    @narya:
    For a trivet, you don’t need anything crazy.  As @Geminid said, Titebond does demand a tight fit between the parts to work well and clamping pressure while drying to reach maximum strength.  OTOH, I have seen people use blue painter’s tape or rubber bands to get the required pressure, so it doesn’t necessarily require something that’s beyond a (ETA: casual) hobbyist.  And yes, you should remove the finish from the surfaces you intend to glue, no matter what kind of glue you use.  Otherwise, the joint might break when the finish pulls away from the wood.​

  115. 115.

    Ksmiami

    August 10, 2022 at 7:20 pm

    @Tony G: This. These contemptible meal team sixers that carry long guns into Starbucks won’t last 2 minutes against the US military. I say bring it so they can be squashed here and now.

  116. 116.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    August 10, 2022 at 7:22 pm

    @trollhattan: Willard’s bespoke loafer inserted in the mouth of the Willard was the essence of how he was so badly whupped. “Gosh fellas, now who let these dogs free?”

    You mean “who left the dogs on the car roof”  with Mittens.  As much as Mittens was the man the 6th, a guy who leaves his own dog on the roof really isn’t cut out for leadership.

  117. 117.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    August 10, 2022 at 7:24 pm

    I’ve always been more of a “let justice be done though the heavens fall” kinda gal, so I can’t really relate to this kind of fretting

    I just heard this phrase for the first time (that I recall) said by Saul Goodman on a recent episode of Better Call Saul and immediately fell in love with it, and was the first thing I thought of when I started reading your post.  And then there it was :-) Great minds think alike I guess.

  118. 118.

    Geminid

    August 10, 2022 at 7:30 pm

    @narya: Whichever glue you use you would do well to buy two or three cheap toothbrushes for the clean up. Maybe do the glue up on a sheet of wax paper.

    It sounds like a large assembly so you may have to do it in stages, maybe dry fit the whole thing first to see if differences in the individual pieces is a factor. You can get a piece of cabinet grade plywood and glue the individual pieces to it if neccesary. Some stores sell half sheets, or a cabinet shop might cut you a smaller one out of remainders.

    Good luck! It sounds like a fun project if you take your time.

  119. 119.

    NotMax

    August 10, 2022 at 7:39 pm

    FYI. It’s teeny tiny violin time!

    Rep. Madison Cawthorn’s troubles continue, this time for what he didn’t do

  120. 120.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 10, 2022 at 7:46 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Scenes like this.

  121. 121.

    cmorenc

    August 10, 2022 at 7:54 pm

    @Geminid:

     I had my fingers crossed during the last election, hoping someone didn’t set a bomb off at a polling place.

    One of the reasons that didn’t happen was because TFG had them convinced he was going to win bigly, that polling was significantly off the actual result just like 2016.  The rage didn’t really get going until it dawned on them about 12 hours or so after polling closed in 2020 and the mail-in ballots and late-counting states started coming in and whittling Trump’s initial apparent comfortable lead down to toothpick sawdust and then defeat in Michigan, Pa, Az, and Ga.

  122. 122.

    Geminid

    August 10, 2022 at 8:07 pm

    @narya: Once you lay out the assembly you could measure dimensions and a cabinet shop could cut a hexagonal piece of plywood that fit within the assembly. You’d want 1/4″” or 3/8″ plywood so the corners of the medals would be less apt to break off. Or you could have a piece of hexagonal plywood cut to the outside dimension and put some finish on the exposed portions. Either way you could use the assembly as a trivet or hang it on a wall. The right cabinet shop might cut a piece if you gave them time. They wouldn’t make a lot of money but they still might be interested. A solo woodworker might be also.

     

    @Geminid:

  123. 123.

    kalakal

    August 10, 2022 at 8:14 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: Absolutely. There’ll be stochastic terrorism from the real hardcore but the rest of the cosplay commandos are starting to learn that their shit really does have consequences, as more of them get jailed, as those higher up start getting personal visits from the FBI they’ll fold, I don’t think there’ll be a civil war, I do hope there’ll not be much violence at all

    As a real plus this does a great deal to restore faith in the country and the rule of law in everyone else, for too long these swaggering bullies have strutted around with impunity. On Jan 6th they went for the king ie The US as a democracy, and missed. Now they’re finding out.

     

    @Bupalos:

    “But the way I look at it, if a third or so of our fellow citizens are truly ready to go to war unless their political idols can commit crimes with impunity, maybe it’s best to hash it out before the anti-democracy party has another crack at executive and legislative power at the federal level.”

    Agree.

  124. 124.

    Feathers

    August 10, 2022 at 8:24 pm

    @Geminid: At my old high school, you used to be able to make these sorts of requests of the shop class. If the teacher thought it good for teaching, someone would do it. The money went towards supplies for kids with financial needs. We had voc ed and regular in the same building, so checking with your vocational high school or community college might work.

  125. 125.

    Kay

    August 10, 2022 at 8:24 pm

    Searching the 500 “cancel culture” substacks and the NYTimes editorial page but can’t find anything abut this:

    An Oklahoma State Department of Education investigation found that Tulsa Public Schools didn’t directly break a law on teaching race and gender issues before a state board voted to downgrade the district’s accreditation status. But an attorney for the Education Department still recommended punishment for the district, finding that an online teacher training course was based on “outlawed concepts,” according to a letter obtained by The Frontier.
    State Department of Education General Counsel Brad Clark wrote in a July 7 letter to the Tulsa school district that the agency had found no evidence that a training course called “Cultural Competence and Racial Bias,” violated the law.
    “Upon reviewing this information, the OSDE did not find any evidence to substantiate the allegation that the training included ‘statements that specifically shame white people for past offenses in history, and state that all are implicitly racially biased in nature,’” Clark wrote.
    However, the investigation did find that audio from the training, which Clark later declined to provide the the State Board of Education, “incorporated” or was “based on” concepts including that “societal systems, including public schools, were originally solely developed by the majority, who were then predominantly White, middle-class individuals,” that black students are more likely to be suspended than white students, and that “deeply rooted stereotypes, built over time and by history and culture, can still be found in classrooms.”
    These ideas violated House Bill 1775, a law Oklahoma enacted in 2021 that banned some teachings about race and gender in public schools, even if the concepts weren’t explicitly mentioned, Clark wrote.
    “Though there were not direct statements in the training that an individual should feel discomfort or guilt because of their race, the design and basis of the training makes it more likely than not that it incorporates and/or is based on such a concept,” the letter said.
    The state board voted last week 4-2 to downgrade both Tulsa and Mustang Public Schools to “accredited with a warning,” a harsher punishment than was originally recommended. Mustang Public Schools, which self-reported a violation from earlier this year based on a student exercise meant to increase empathy among students, received the same punishment as Tulsa for the sake of consistency, board members said last week. There is no appeals process.

    Our self proclaimed “public intellectuals” are really dropping the ball. They can’t even be bothered to fix the ongoing disaster their ridiculous, dumb panic created. Poor work ethic.

  126. 126.

    Kay

    August 10, 2022 at 8:33 pm

    Only three complaints for alleged violations of HB1775 have been filed so far, but some parents say they expect more will follow.
    Janice Danforth, chair of the Tulsa chapter of Moms for Liberty, a conservative parental rights group made up of over 700 parents in Tulsa county, told The Frontier she expects more complaints will be filed against Tulsa Public Schools in the near future.
    “There have been many questionable things that have been brought to my attention, some of them straddling the line of breaking the law and some not,” she said. “I expect there to be many cases brought forward this school year. We are better prepared to tackle questionable curriculum now and we will expose it.”
    Further violations would cause the district to first be put on probation, Berger said. If the problems aren’t resolved and more complaints are received, the district could lose accreditation and even be dissolved.

    Mission accomplished. This is the goal. “Dissolved”. The only schools available will be Right wing, Republican Christian schools. You’ll get a cheap cut rate state voucher to attend one and any family that can will supplement the voucher with household funds. Those that can’t will get 5k a year to buy some online junk.

  127. 127.

    Geminid

    August 10, 2022 at 8:35 pm

    @narya:

     

    @Feathers: A good idea.

  128. 128.

    prostratedragon

    August 10, 2022 at 8:36 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:  Nothing in sports is more mysterious than a baseball team.  Nothing.

    As for the other,  plan, meditate, hope.

  129. 129.

    Elizabelle

    August 10, 2022 at 8:37 pm

    @Kay:  I am glad you are on the case, Kay.  And education is actually a great issue for the midterms.

    Not that we lack for issues with which to differentiate ourselves from the GOP crazies.

  130. 130.

    BruceFromOhio

    August 10, 2022 at 10:49 pm

    @Kay: Like ALEC taking over the state legislatures, this slow “poison and erode” approach is designed to kill public education. These fuckers have been playing the long game, this is how it shows.

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