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You are here: Home / Politics / The Vote: Hoping This Day Would Come, and Now It’s Here

The Vote: Hoping This Day Would Come, and Now It’s Here

by WaterGirl|  August 12, 20223:40 pm| 232 Comments

This post is in: Biden Administration in Action, Climate Change, Democratic Politics, Politics

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Those of us who had hope that a bill in the neighborhood of this one would actually pass were mocked and accused of being naive.

Well, this day is finally here, and I am all for it.

Here’s the link, if someone finds this on youtube or some other site that allows me to embed video, let me know. (thanks Another Scott!)

Live.House.gov

C-SPAN Link

Open thread.

 

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232Comments

  1. 1.

    Baud

    August 12, 2022 at 3:42 pm

    👍👍👍

  2. 2.

    dmsilev

    August 12, 2022 at 3:46 pm

    Not sure about embeddable, but here’s C-SPAN’s live feed:

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?522233-1/house-debates-tax-policy-health-care-climate-change-bill&live

  3. 3.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 12, 2022 at 3:50 pm

    [insert spiking a football gif here]

    Victory lap and all that.  Now let’s get to work on winning in November.  Something else that some of us have always thought possible.

  4. 4.

    C Stars

    August 12, 2022 at 3:50 pm

    Finally, thank God (or FSM)

  5. 5.

    Elizabelle

    August 12, 2022 at 3:50 pm

    @dmsilev:   Be forewarned:  at the moment it’s Kevin McCarthy shouting.  Talking about failed plans.

    Hard pass

    ETA:  “Why do you keep harming the American public, and you think doing the exact same thing ….”

    The projection is strong with this one.

  6. 6.

    Alison Rose 💙🌻💛

    August 12, 2022 at 3:52 pm

    @dmsilev: Oh God, I tuned in right as McCarthy is speaking. Never closed a tab so fast in my life.

  7. 7.

    trollhattan

    August 12, 2022 at 3:52 pm

    @Elizabelle: Kevin McCarthy shouting seems as probable as Greg Abbott booting a soccer ball. Does not compute.

  8. 8.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 12, 2022 at 3:53 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    He equates voting by mail with voting by proxy.

  9. 9.

    Elizabelle

    August 12, 2022 at 3:53 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:   You are a stronger person than me.  Like Alison Rose, I gave it 10 seconds, hit mute, then looked in again.  And, mute again.

    I do think his remarks are so pathologically obvious, it might be fun to scan the transcript after the little darling has exhausted himself.  Emphasis on “scan.”

  10. 10.

    Bupalos

    August 12, 2022 at 3:56 pm

    This is huge. The way the green initiatives are structured so that lower income folk are able to participate, and in fact technologies that will save them money immediately and for a decade to come will be free for them… that seems really quite unprecedented to me.

    That’s where these things do the most good and are the hardest to get to adopt this stuff because they are cash-strapped and can’t make that investment even though it’s simply a good investment. Air sourced heat pumps are going to be literally free for a lot of people. For most people, in fact.

    The EV subsidies too, they’re targeted at the lower end of the market. These things are usually “here’s a tax credit, if you’re rich enough to use it and have enough cash on hand to buy this very expensive tech.”

  11. 11.

    TaMara

    August 12, 2022 at 3:57 pm

    @Alison Rose 💙🌻💛: This! I hit that mute button so fast I almost popped the key off the keyboard.

  12. 12.

    rikyrah

    August 12, 2022 at 3:58 pm

     

    Go Nancy Smash👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  13. 13.

    Captain C

    August 12, 2022 at 3:58 pm

    @trollhattan: Perhaps he’s worried about a significant portion of his party being exposed as outright traitors in the coming weeks and months, while already having to win elections when it’s become obvious even to ‘normies’ that the Democrats are the do something party and the Republicans are the do-nothing doo doo traitor/white supremacy party.

  14. 14.

    Dangerman

    August 12, 2022 at 3:59 pm

    @Alison Rose 💙🌻💛: Brain damage caused by the aromatic mixture of petroleum leaks and cow shit.

    ETA: I wonder if the Bakersfield Visitors Bureau is accepting applications. Its actually not that bad a place. Well, excluding the refineries and cow shit.

  15. 15.

    PAM Dirac

    August 12, 2022 at 3:59 pm

    @Elizabelle: I’m not sure there is a more pathetic loser in politics today than McCarthy. He really is a terrible speaker and his sucking up to drumpf only to get thrown under the bus time and time again might elicit some sympathy if he wasn’t such a horrible person.

  16. 16.

    Another Scott

    August 12, 2022 at 4:00 pm

    Here’s another YouTube live link (from Reuters). No closed-captioning available there.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  17. 17.

    Elizabelle

    August 12, 2022 at 4:00 pm

    @PAM Dirac:   McCarthy and Mark Meadows are in a foot race there.

    No sympathy for either, or any, of them.

    Who knows what these weasels are saying to themselves in private? They are probably at panic stage.

  18. 18.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 4:01 pm

    @dmsilev: Yeah, you can’t embed C-SPAN or house.gov, but thanks for the span link – i added it up top.

  19. 19.

    Elizabelle

    August 12, 2022 at 4:01 pm

    McCarthy is still bloviating.

    Gonna run an errand.

  20. 20.

    Geminid

    August 12, 2022 at 4:01 pm

    @trollhattan: McCarthy might as well make the most of his moment in the sun. This time next year he’s not going to be Speaker, or Minority Leader either I think.

  21. 21.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 4:02 pm

    @rikyrah: Can only the Rs talk at this point?  Every time I tune in, it’s a Republican spewing lies.

  22. 22.

    Geminid

    August 12, 2022 at 4:03 pm

    @PAM Dirac: Kevin McCarthy is a hollow man.

  23. 23.

    Baud

    August 12, 2022 at 4:03 pm

    @Geminid:

    👍

  24. 24.

    Another Scott

    August 12, 2022 at 4:03 pm

    @Captain C:

    The golden oldie (from 2016) –

    “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016, exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.

    House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.

    Before the conversation, McCarthy and Ryan had emerged from separate talks at the Capitol with Ukrainian Prime Minister Vladi­mir Groysman, who had described a Kremlin tactic of financing populist politicians to undercut Eastern European democratic institutions.

    (Emphasis added.)

    Everything’s connected…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  25. 25.

    PAM Dirac

    August 12, 2022 at 4:05 pm

    @WaterGirl: I’m not sure what the schedule is. For a while they were trading 1 and 2 minute segments. I wasn’t paying close attention, but someone asked how much time was left and it was 4 min for R and 5 min for D. I guess those ran out and now the minority leader gets a bigger chuck of time. I would guess Nancy Smash would probably have some time, but I suspect she might want to just get on with it.

  26. 26.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 4:07 pm

    @Geminid:

    Kevin McCarthy is a hollow shell of a man.

    I didn’t exactly fix that for you, but maybe improved on it a bit.

  27. 27.

    Citizen Alan

    August 12, 2022 at 4:07 pm

    @Bupalos: And yet that won’t stop the fucking Greens for one second in trying to sandbag the Dems — a Green asshole just got on the ballot to day in (I think) North Carolina in a tight Senate race even though the bastard flat-out admits he doesn’t have a chance of winning.

  28. 28.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 4:07 pm

    @Another Scott: Thank you!  Embedded the video up top.

  29. 29.

    Benw

    August 12, 2022 at 4:08 pm

    Good news! I’m out of the loop, has this already passed the Senate?

  30. 30.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 4:09 pm

    @PAM Dirac: Thanks for all the info!

    I’m guessing that in this historic moment, Nancy SMASH may indeed take some time, for the record.  For posterity.

  31. 31.

    Ken

    August 12, 2022 at 4:09 pm

    @PAM Dirac: I would guess Nancy Smash would probably have some time, but I suspect she might want to just get on with it.

    I would also accept staring at McCarthy for thirty seconds of silence, saying “Sir, this is a Wendy’s”, and calling for the vote.

  32. 32.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 4:09 pm

    @Benw:

    YES!

  33. 33.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 12, 2022 at 4:09 pm

    I confess, I gave up on the possibility of this day coming to pass, a while back.  I just couldn’t see Manch-enema doing the right thing.  I underestimated Schumer, Pelosi, Manchin and Synema.  I also thought Biden’s belief in passing major legislation with Bi-Partisan support (gun bill, infrastructure, CHIPS, PACT etc.) was a bit naive.  Very glad to admit that I was wrong!!

    Now let’s expand our hold of Congress so we can do Voting Rights, Abortion Rights etc.

  34. 34.

    Eunicecycle

    August 12, 2022 at 4:09 pm

    @Benw: yes!  It passed Sunday.

  35. 35.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 12, 2022 at 4:10 pm

    @Benw:

    Yes, it’s a Senate-written bill.

  36. 36.

    Geminid

    August 12, 2022 at 4:11 pm

    @Benw: The Senate passed the bill on Sunday afternoon, 50-50 with Vice President Harris breaking the tie after an all-night session.

  37. 37.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 12, 2022 at 4:11 pm

    @WaterGirl: The Dems will speak with their votes.

  38. 38.

    PAM Dirac

    August 12, 2022 at 4:11 pm

    @Ken: LOL. I was thinking of gaveling into silence and saying “You are just too stupid to continue”.

  39. 39.

    divF

    August 12, 2022 at 4:11 pm

    McCarthy has been blathering on for at least 30 min. Will he ever shut up ?

  40. 40.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 12, 2022 at 4:12 pm

    @Ken: ​ 

    Nancy’s not in the chamber, she’s voting proxy, McCarthy just spent 8 miutes whining about that.

  41. 41.

    CaseyL

    August 12, 2022 at 4:12 pm

    I just have it open, volume muted, and check back in now and then to see if Minority Leader & Traitor Enabler McCarthy is still yapping.

  42. 42.

    Baud

    August 12, 2022 at 4:15 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Is she sick? She’s come back from her trip.

  43. 43.

    Jackie

    August 12, 2022 at 4:15 pm

    I wonder how McCarthy can focus on this, while inwardly freaking out about his bbf possibly being indicted for espionage against the USA lol

  44. 44.

    Geminid

    August 12, 2022 at 4:16 pm

    @divF: Earlier today Lauren Boebert ran past her time and got gaveled down with her mic cut off. Observers noted that this is unusual, but Boebert’s a real motormouth.

  45. 45.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 4:17 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: I didn’t give up, I just quite held my breath, for several months.  And tried very hard not to pay attention to Manchin and Sinema.

  46. 46.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 12, 2022 at 4:17 pm

    Qevin is approvingly citing Bernie Sanders ‼️

  47. 47.

    PAM Dirac

    August 12, 2022 at 4:17 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: Did you by any chance catch who was acting speaker?

  48. 48.

    Benw

    August 12, 2022 at 4:17 pm

    @WaterGirl: huzzah! Thanks everyone. Climate action, TFG raided, even the FTFNYT is saying nice things about inflation and the economy, lawsuit against TFG organization is allowed to proceed: it feels almost like living in a real, functioning country for a change; it’s nice!

    Let’s fucking go in November! And I’m on the way to see fucking Rage Against the Machine! Let’s rock!

  49. 49.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 4:17 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: Do we know why she is voting Proxy?  I hope she’s not sick.  Maybe just being extra careful after all the travel?

  50. 50.

    tam1MI

    August 12, 2022 at 4:17 pm

    A bit of good news from Michigan:

    https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2022/08/half-of-michiganders-hesitant-to-vote-for-candidates-who-downplayed-jan-6-riot.html

    Roughly 52% of Michiganders say they would be less likely to vote for a candidate that downplayed the events of the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol or opposed Congress’ work in investigating it.

    That’s according to data released by the Defend Democracy Project, which also indicated both Michigan voters at large (49%) and independent voters specifically (46%) believe the riot did not just stem from former President Donald Trump’s encouragement, but because of Republicans who are staunchly loyal to him.

  51. 51.

    raven

    August 12, 2022 at 4:18 pm

    @dmsilev: Great, just in time to see that fucking moron McCarthy.

  52. 52.

    Baud

    August 12, 2022 at 4:21 pm

    @Benw:

    And I’m on the way to see fucking Rage Against the Machine! Let’s rock!

     
    Out: Rage Against Manchin!
    In: Rage Against the Machine!

  53. 53.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 12, 2022 at 4:21 pm

    @Baud: @PAM Dirac: @WaterGirl:

    I do not know and I muted McCarthy as he was saying it, but I assumed that her voting by proxy means she’s not in chambers, so that’s my guess and it could very well be wrong.

  54. 54.

    Lapassionara

    August 12, 2022 at 4:22 pm

    @Another Scott: I’m old enough to remember a time when an accusation like that would have ended a politician’s career. How far have we fallen, that a good portion of the electorate is drawn to a con man whose foreign policy centered on “Putin good,” “NATO bad.”

  55. 55.

    divF

    August 12, 2022 at 4:22 pm

    @WaterGirl: The chamber looks pretty empty – it may be that most of the members have already gone home and are voting by proxy. Judging from the two procedural votes taken already, there seems to be nothing to worry about – everyone is voting.

  56. 56.

    trollhattan

    August 12, 2022 at 4:24 pm

    @Geminid: Bakersfield, we turn our lonely eyes to you. :-)

  57. 57.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 12, 2022 at 4:25 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Qevin is approvingly citing Bernie Sanders

    I wish there were some way to do a twitter search for the overlap between “Democrats suck at messaging!” and “LEAVE BERNEEE ALONE!”

  58. 58.

    West of the Rockies

    August 12, 2022 at 4:26 pm

    After four years of pure Trumpian shit, this timeline is now epic!

  59. 59.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 4:26 pm

    This speech by McCarthy is extraordinarily incoherent.

  60. 60.

    PAM Dirac

    August 12, 2022 at 4:27 pm

    @Fake Irishman: I have the sound off and he still comes across as stupid and incoherent

     

    ETA: and it keeps going on and on

     

    And he seems to be done! Steny Hoyer up.

  61. 61.

    Benw

    August 12, 2022 at 4:28 pm

    @Baud: I chortled!

  62. 62.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 4:29 pm

    Pallone speaking now. He has quietly been a rock on health care.

  63. 63.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 12, 2022 at 4:30 pm

    “The gentleman yields! The gentleman’s time has expired!”

    Narrator: And not a moment too soon.

  64. 64.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 12, 2022 at 4:30 pm

    Steny Hoyer is up, seems Pelosi will follow.

  65. 65.

    Old School

    August 12, 2022 at 4:31 pm

    Nancy Pelosi held her weekly news briefing earlier today, so she doesn’t seem to be sick.

  66. 66.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 4:32 pm

    Hoyer has a good old-man glower.

  67. 67.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 12, 2022 at 4:33 pm

    @Old School:

    She was on MJ for quite a while yesterday (or day before? — can’t remember). She sounded fine and looked spectacular in a bright red suit.

  68. 68.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 12, 2022 at 4:35 pm

    @WaterGirl: Me too.  I always held out a sliver of hope but basically had already accepted the fact that passage was extremely unlikely.

  69. 69.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 4:35 pm

    I love the “magic-minute” speeches where leaders can make their one minute speeches last forever.

  70. 70.

    trollhattan

    August 12, 2022 at 4:35 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: If only the good gentleman would mimic his expiring time.

  71. 71.

    PAM Dirac

    August 12, 2022 at 4:37 pm

    Hoyer: The Rs are the party of “you’re on your own”

  72. 72.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 12, 2022 at 4:37 pm

    Hoyer is bringing it!

  73. 73.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 12, 2022 at 4:38 pm

    Thread from emptywheel, worth a read

  74. 74.

    Mike in NC

    August 12, 2022 at 4:39 pm

    Kevin McCarthy, the buffoon from Bakersfield. Never had the urge to visit when I was stationed in California. Assumed it to be a shithole. First heard about it in a Rolling Stones tune.

  75. 75.

    CindyH

    August 12, 2022 at 4:40 pm

    @Benw: enjoy!  But be careful – my brother in law just went and got covid

  76. 76.

    Frankensteinbeck

    August 12, 2022 at 4:41 pm

    Does anyone know what the minimum tax actually does?  The name sounds encouraging, sure, but the devil is always in the details and I don’t know any of those details.  I mean, obviously the only question here is ‘how good of a good thing is this?’

  77. 77.

    C Stars

    August 12, 2022 at 4:42 pm

    @Mike in NC: Bakersfield is shockingly horrible. You can’t really imagine how bad it is until you get there. I’m sure people who live in the suburbs/rural areas around it find qualities to love. But my god, the city itself is full of freeways that end in piles of dirt and porn stores at every intersection, and the air is barely breathable.

  78. 78.

    raven

    August 12, 2022 at 4:45 pm

    @C Stars:
    Dwight Yoakam & Buck Owens ~ “Streets of Bakersfield”

  79. 79.

    PAM Dirac

    August 12, 2022 at 4:47 pm

    I don’t know if there is some rule that if you give up your time, someone else gets to grab it, but come on Steny, you’ve had your say, let’s vote!

  80. 80.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 4:49 pm

    @PAM Dirac:

    the party leaders get a “magic minute” that extends as long as they speak on a bill.

  81. 81.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 4:49 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: I had way more than a sliver of hope, but it sounds like we were both holding our breath.

  82. 82.

    Suzanne

    August 12, 2022 at 4:50 pm

    @Benw:

    And I’m on the way to see fucking Rage Against the Machine! 

    I just saw them! They were so good! Enjoy!

    They are the band I need right now.

  83. 83.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 4:53 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: It essentially puts a floor under what they have to pay. So they can’t simply use a bunch of deductions to reduce their effective rate to zero. It will bring in several hundred billion over a decade.

  84. 84.

    C Stars

    August 12, 2022 at 4:53 pm

    @raven: Yeah…kinda seems like the sort of place where some people end up who couldn’t make it anywhere else (eg Kevin McCarthy). I had heard about it but didn’t think it could be as bad as the rumors claimed until I had occasion to spend the night there two years ago, on the run from wildfire smoke.

     

    Drove far enough down the 5 to get out from under the smoke and then a half hour later promptly found myself in the smog and feedlot haze of Bakersfield. And then it was time to sleep uneasily while adult men riding child-sized dirtbikes circled the cars in the hotel parking lot all night and cops hung out at the gas station next door

     

    ETA ooh i hadn’t seen the video, thanks!

  85. 85.

    Brachiator

    August 12, 2022 at 4:54 pm

    Those of us who had hope that a bill in the neighborhood of this one would actually pass were mocked and accused of being naive.

    I don’t think this is quite right. Senator Manchin had appeared to be firmly opposed to any version of this bill, even alternatives that conformed to his earlier demands. I don’t think that anyone saw a breakthrough coming.

    The bill is a good start.

  86. 86.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 12, 2022 at 4:54 pm

    Pelosi!

  87. 87.

    Another Scott

    August 12, 2022 at 4:54 pm

    Pelosi is up for “one minute”.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  88. 88.

    PAM Dirac

    August 12, 2022 at 4:54 pm

    And now Pelosi for 1 minute.

  89. 89.

    Ruckus

    August 12, 2022 at 4:54 pm

    @Dangerman:

    Grew up in San Gabriel Valley and the elementary school I went to had a dairy next to the playground. Aromatic to say the least. Always good shots of cow ass as well, through the chain link fence. That is now all homes, a friend not far from there lived next to orange groves as far as one could see looking east across the street when they moved into their new house in 1949-50. It’s been homes for miles and miles for decades now. When I was discharged from the navy the XO told me I’d be back, my kind always comes back and I told him I’d rather shovel cow shit every single day for the rest of my life at that dairy than come back and work for people like him. And then walked out of his compartment and off the ship for the very last time.

  90. 90.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 4:54 pm

    I’m not sure I’ve ever seen Nancy look more excited!

  91. 91.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 4:55 pm

    And here’s Nancy….

  92. 92.

    PAM Dirac

    August 12, 2022 at 4:55 pm

    @WaterGirl: And she sounds great!

  93. 93.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 12, 2022 at 4:56 pm

    Well, here’s Nancy in the Chamber. Nancy SMASH! herself, not a proxy. Dunno what Qevin was nattering on about.

  94. 94.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 12, 2022 at 4:58 pm

    Newsom just signed free lunch bill into law for all California schoolkids, goes into effect in September. It really is nice to live in a super-majority blue state.

  95. 95.

    C Stars

    August 12, 2022 at 5:01 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: It’s weird how a small thing could mean so much. Went to a back to school open house type of thing at my 9 year old’s elementary school last night and when it was announced that all kids would be getting free lunch again this year all the parents just sort of looked around at each other cheered a bit. It’s so nice not to have to pack a lunch every freakin’ day, and it does make a big difference financially for a lot of people. More money to spend on a healthy dinner that night.

  96. 96.

    Brachiator

    August 12, 2022 at 5:02 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    The tax applies to the adjusted financial statement (book) income of US corporations with 3-year average adjusted book income above $1 billion, as well as foreign corporations with average US income above $100 million.

    There is a good article about it here.

  97. 97.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 12, 2022 at 5:04 pm

    She is super energised today! And rightly so. She and the Dems have every right to their victory dance!

  98. 98.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 5:04 pm

    Here we go….

  99. 99.

    raven

    August 12, 2022 at 5:06 pm

    @C Stars: You mighta drove the Grapevine!

  100. 100.

    PAM Dirac

    August 12, 2022 at 5:06 pm

    Go Nancy SMASH!  Now the vote. The ayes have it. Now someone requests the yays and nays so 15 min vote.

  101. 101.

    EarthWindFire

    August 12, 2022 at 5:08 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Qevin was giving Faux News another Ministry of Truth clip. That’s all.

  102. 102.

    Old School

    August 12, 2022 at 5:09 pm

    Can’t each party just designate one person for proxys to eliminate the repetitiveness of this?

  103. 103.

    raven

    August 12, 2022 at 5:09 pm

    @Ruckus: When we moved to Whittier in 59 there was nothin but orange groves in Orange County.  When I was a kid we’d drive up to Baldy (through Pomona I think) !

  104. 104.

    raven

    August 12, 2022 at 5:11 pm

    @Old School: Relax

  105. 105.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 5:13 pm

    @Old School:

    Enjoy it. We’re going to win.

  106. 106.

    PAM Dirac

    August 12, 2022 at 5:14 pm

    I note that the supposed “moderate” Rs that voted for impeachment are all voting no. Assholes.

  107. 107.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:15 pm

    @PAM Dirac: I just checked back in on the video to see how much time they had left and saw 5:41 – and I wondered for a second how they could have 5:41 left when they were only supposed to have 5 minutes to begin with.

    Time moving backwards?  Then I remembered that it was 15 minutes. :-)

  108. 108.

    SoupCatcher

    August 12, 2022 at 5:15 pm

    Lou Correa bringing the Southern Californians.

  109. 109.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 12, 2022 at 5:15 pm

    @Old School:

    I rather enjoy it, TBH.

  110. 110.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 12, 2022 at 5:15 pm

    @Brachiator: I put down a marker last fall that some form of BBB would pass and that it would be something that Dems could run this fall.  Some people agreed with me. Many did not.

  111. 111.

    Mike E

    August 12, 2022 at 5:16 pm

    Wow I’m actually getting tired from all the winning! I think I will take a victory bicycle ride in a little bit, though. Heh.

  112. 112.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:17 pm

    2 minutes of the 15 minute time period remaining.

  113. 113.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:18 pm

    what’s the senate amendment they are voting on now?

  114. 114.

    Geminid

    August 12, 2022 at 5:18 pm

    @SoupCatcher: Lou Corea, from the Blue Dog kennel!

  115. 115.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 5:18 pm

    @PAM Dirac: this was always going to be a party line vote.

  116. 116.

    J R in WV

    August 12, 2022 at 5:18 pm

    @Benw:

    …has this already passed the Senate?

    Yes, 50-50, Madam VP Harris broke the tie in favor of passage. Was historic!

  117. 117.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:19 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I remember being mocked and called naive in a front page post!

  118. 118.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 5:19 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    this is the senate bill amending the house version of BBB. They are concurring with the Senate bill, hence passing it and sending to Biden’s desk. This vote is for all the marbles.

  119. 119.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:20 pm

    Today’s speaker sounds very excited, too!

  120. 120.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:20 pm

    time remaining: 0

  121. 121.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:21 pm

    @Fake Irishman: So it’s not an amendment at all, it’s the actual bill they are voting on?

    I have had my head buried in work for at least 3 weeks so I am fuzzy on the details.

  122. 122.

    SoupCatcher

    August 12, 2022 at 5:21 pm

    @WaterGirl: Yes!  I’m loving her energy.

  123. 123.

    planetjanet

    August 12, 2022 at 5:22 pm

    @WaterGirl: The suspense is just killing me.  Why don’t all the Democrats line up and vote already.  Be seen.  Be proud.

  124. 124.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 12, 2022 at 5:22 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    It does a great job of reminding of the names of who is in the House.

  125. 125.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:23 pm

    How can they still be voting if the clock has run out?

  126. 126.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 5:23 pm

    Look at the Dems hanging around and the GOPers heading for the exits.

  127. 127.

    Fair Economist

    August 12, 2022 at 5:23 pm

    Weird to see voting continuing after the timer counts to 0.

  128. 128.

    PAM Dirac

    August 12, 2022 at 5:23 pm

    @WaterGirl: Have we figured out who it is?

  129. 129.

    The Thin Black Duke

    August 12, 2022 at 5:23 pm

    Trump doesn’t own the news cycle anymore. Bwahahaha! Damn, that felt good. 

  130. 130.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 5:23 pm

    I wonder what Pelosi and Clyburn are discussing.

  131. 131.

    raven

    August 12, 2022 at 5:24 pm

    @WaterGirl: If getting “mocked” is the worst thing that ever happens to you count yourself lucky.

  132. 132.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:24 pm

    @Fake Irishman: I just saw the two of them gabbing and wondered the same thing, myself!

  133. 133.

    Benw

    August 12, 2022 at 5:24 pm

    @Suzanne: yes!! I’m not having any expectations, but I’m hoping for a little catharsis

  134. 134.

    raven

    August 12, 2022 at 5:24 pm

    @Fake Irishman: Tee times.

  135. 135.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 12, 2022 at 5:24 pm

    @WaterGirl: This is it.  Don’t worry about the procedural posture that got us here.  Next step is Biden’s desk for signature.

  136. 136.

    Another Scott

    August 12, 2022 at 5:25 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    My linky – from October:

    Another Scott

    OCTOBER 2, 2021 AT 1:20 PM

    @germy: Yes, there is that tweet:

    We need to make health care more affordable, lower prescription drug prices, and fix the problems in the system – not go back to letting insurance companies call all the shots. #AZSen pic.twitter.com/rlGiOGyeBf

    — Kyrsten Sinema (@kyrstensinema) March 9, 2018

    But there’s a LOT of wiggle room there. One could read that as she wants to go after insurance companies rather than drug companies. It’s not a specific proposal for, say, Medicare to negotiate most/all drug prices. There’s nothing specific in that tweet – by design.

    I get that people are upset with her. I think she’s being too coy with her voters, myself. But if it weren’t her and Manchin, it would be someone else demanding their pound of flesh before the RB is passed. It’s a huge, must-pass, bill that will pass and with a 50-50 senate every senator has the best opportunity they will ever have to press for what they want (for reasons good or ill). It’s the way politics works when every single vote matters.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

    (RB == Reconciliation Bill)

    My record on political prognostication is really bad, but I’m enjoying today. :-)

    Congratulations to you (and everyone else ;-) as well!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  137. 137.

    Fair Economist

    August 12, 2022 at 5:26 pm

    @WaterGirl: Yeah, the House has already passed the bill. They are voting to amend it the same way the Senate has, which will mean both houses have passed the legislation with the same text and to Biden it goes!

  138. 138.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 5:26 pm

    3…2…1

    …and that’s 216! Enough for a majority!

  139. 139.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:26 pm

    @PAM Dirac: I haven’t.  I imagine that everyone’s “day” as speaker is assigned well in advance, and she just hit the jackpot by getting to have that role today.  Just a guess.

  140. 140.

    PAM Dirac

    August 12, 2022 at 5:26 pm

    216. With vacanices I think that does it. Not that there was a doubt.

     

    Cheers in the House!

  141. 141.

    Fair Economist

    August 12, 2022 at 5:27 pm

    And it’s 218 and the House cheers! We did it!

  142. 142.

    Benw

    August 12, 2022 at 5:27 pm

    @CindyH: hope it was a mild case!

  143. 143.

    Another Scott

    August 12, 2022 at 5:27 pm

    @WaterGirl: The vote clock is always aspirational.  Remember the Medicare Part D 15 minute vote under W that lasted many hours (with all the arm-twisting).

    ;-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  144. 144.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:27 pm

    Did we just hit a magic number?  I hear applause.

  145. 145.

    moonbat

    August 12, 2022 at 5:27 pm

    Praise Jeebus! I am happy to see this day!

  146. 146.

    SoupCatcher

    August 12, 2022 at 5:28 pm

    All 220 Ds vote yes.

  147. 147.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 12, 2022 at 5:28 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Yup. And for all McCarthy’s bleating about how all the Democrats were at their vacation homes and too lazy to vote in person, there sure did seem to be plenty of Republicans voting by proxy as well!

  148. 148.

    divF

    August 12, 2022 at 5:29 pm

    @SoupCatcher: Nancy can whip her caucus when the need arises.

    ETA: More relieved than elated.

  149. 149.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 12, 2022 at 5:29 pm

    THIS IS A GREAT DAY!!!!

  150. 150.

    Baud

    August 12, 2022 at 5:29 pm

    @SoupCatcher:

    👍

  151. 151.

    H.E.Wolf

    August 12, 2022 at 5:30 pm

    And THIS is why we get out the Democratic vote in every Congressional election! :-)​
     

    ETA: Congrats to the Dems!

  152. 152.

    Cameron

    August 12, 2022 at 5:30 pm

    @Old School: I think it’s useful to have each person individually associated with their vote – I want a photo of Rep. Dickhead Sourass voting “no.”

  153. 153.

    West of the Rockies

    August 12, 2022 at 5:30 pm

    @raven:

    Any wild chance you remember the Tradewinds barber shop?   That was my dad’s place. Situated in an unextraordinary strip mall.

  154. 154.

    Brachiator

    August 12, 2022 at 5:31 pm

     

     

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Does anyone know what the minimum tax actually does?

    The link I tried to provide to an explainer might not be good. As you note, the devil is in the details.

  155. 155.

    Old School

    August 12, 2022 at 5:31 pm

    @Cameron: Complete with an exaggerated thumbs down preferably.

  156. 156.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 12, 2022 at 5:32 pm

    @Another Scott: Funny, mine was from September 29, but I said that I was agreeing with you.  On my phone so linking is an issue.

  157. 157.

    TerryTime

    August 12, 2022 at 5:35 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: It seemed like a walk in the park compared to the ACA but people have short memories. The Democrats were practically in lockstep this time.

  158. 158.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:35 pm

    @Fair Economist: Ah, thank you.  I knew the Senate had passed it but I missed the amendment.

    I’d like to see Biden sign the bill in about 45 minutes! :-)

  159. 159.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 5:35 pm

    @WaterGirl: I suspect that is true, but sometimes for big bills they’ll rotate the speakers a bit. For example, Pelosi made a point to ensure John Dingell was in the chair during part of the ACA debate in recognition of his long support of good healthcare legislation (not to mention his role in developing Medicare and Medicaid)

  160. 160.

    Cameron

    August 12, 2022 at 5:36 pm

    @Old School: Make it so!

  161. 161.

    raven

    August 12, 2022 at 5:36 pm

    @West of the Rockies: Dang, we left there in about 1960. I remember Nixon’s Big Boy on Whittier Boulevard!  My old man was the football and basketball coach at Cal-Hi.

  162. 162.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:36 pm

    @Fake Irishman: Interesting.  So maybe she is an up-and-comer!

  163. 163.

    David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 12, 2022 at 5:37 pm

    I don’t criticize Democrats. There’s nothing to be gained by it.

    Privately I didn’t think Schumer was up to the job.

    But he has made me a believer.

  164. 164.

    Fair Economist

    August 12, 2022 at 5:38 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I’d like to see Biden sign the bill in about 45 minutes! :-)

    Tempting, but I expect them to delay a few days so it’s not overshadowed by revelations about Trump committing espionage.

  165. 165.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:38 pm

    Are there 4 Republicans hiding in the bathroom?

    Or maybe they can’t decided whether to switch at the last minute/

  166. 166.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:39 pm

    @Fair Economist: Nancy SMASH said Joe is going to sign the bill tonight.

  167. 167.

    Another Scott

    August 12, 2022 at 5:39 pm

    They’re still waiting for 4 GQPers to vote.  Maybe they left without turning in their red cards at the desk or something.  :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  168. 168.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 5:39 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    it is pretty arcane.

    Its both. It’s the senate bill, which is structured as an amendment to the original house BBB bill (HR 5376). The house is voting to concur with the Senate amendments.

     

    @WaterGirl:

  169. 169.

    dmsilev

    August 12, 2022 at 5:39 pm

    @Fair Economist:

    Tempting, but I expect them to delay a few days so it’s not overshadowed by revelations about Trump committing espionage.

    So, a month or so from now?

  170. 170.

    Cameron

    August 12, 2022 at 5:42 pm

    @David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: I think the combo of Biden, Pelosi and Shumer has established that the passage of good legislation (especially against formidable odds) represents the triumph of experience over hope.

  171. 171.

    Fair Economist

    August 12, 2022 at 5:42 pm

    Money shot! The motion is adopted! Nancy Smash!

  172. 172.

    Betty

    August 12, 2022 at 5:42 pm

    Done!

  173. 173.

    Anyway

    August 12, 2022 at 5:42 pm

    wheeeeeeeeee!

  174. 174.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 12, 2022 at 5:43 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I was wrong. I thought Manchin just didn’t want to get to yes, and same for Sinema

  175. 175.

    Another Scott

    August 12, 2022 at 5:43 pm

    And it’s done.

    [ Kermit_Yay.gif ]

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  176. 176.

    H.E.Wolf

    August 12, 2022 at 5:43 pm

    Motion officially carried, Speaker Pelosi gavels us out. Woohoo!​
     

    ETA: hat tip to Another Scott :)

  177. 177.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:43 pm

    So proud to be a Democrat!

  178. 178.

    PAM Dirac

    August 12, 2022 at 5:43 pm

    Nancy SMASH smashes the gavel and it’s on to Biden’s desk.

  179. 179.

    Jackie

    August 12, 2022 at 5:44 pm

    Scoop: GOP plans effort to sabotage Inflation Reduction Act
    https://www.axios.com/2022/08/12/gop-plans-sabotage-inflation-reduction-act

    I do believe The House changed the rules for voting by proxy during the height of Covid.

  180. 180.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 5:44 pm

    @WaterGirl:  we can check the minutes at house.gov to figure out who she was.

  181. 181.

    West of the Rockies

    August 12, 2022 at 5:46 pm

    @raven:

    My sisters went to Fullerton Union High where, I believe, Nixon went.  Blahhh.

  182. 182.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 5:47 pm

    If I hadn’t already put up the last 2 posts, I would put up a post right now with the title:

    This is a Big Fucking Deal.

  183. 183.

    Fair Economist

    August 12, 2022 at 5:48 pm

    Gotta say the House can clip right along on these minor resolutions coming up after the IRA passes.

  184. 184.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 5:48 pm

    Sara jacobs of California. I have not heard of her, but even if she’s just a back bencher for a few terms, she’s got a story to tell her grand kids.

    @WaterGirl:

  185. 185.

    delphinium

    August 12, 2022 at 5:49 pm

    Awesome-it is done!

  186. 186.

    Bupalos

    August 12, 2022 at 5:49 pm

    Who here is still burning fossil fuels or resistive electric for your heating? Because with this bill, you should definitely stop that in 2023.

    Air source heat pumps will be nearly free for most situations. Those of you who can handle some costs, look into geothermal, an even better investment but you’ll probably be on the hook for about half of that installation.

  187. 187.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 5:49 pm

    @WaterGirl:  might be a good one for Cole.

  188. 188.

    Fair Economist

    August 12, 2022 at 5:50 pm

    @dmsilev:

    So, a month or so from now?

    LOL. Seriously, they can’t wait more than 15 days or whatever, and I think it needs to be signed by August 17th or so for the provisions on Obamacare subsidies to be active for the coming year, which is very important.

  189. 189.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 12, 2022 at 5:51 pm

    @Bupalos: Tell my landlord.

  190. 190.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 12, 2022 at 5:51 pm

    @WaterGirl: ​ 

    Do IT! We need an open thread, so much activities to talk about!

  191. 191.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 5:51 pm

    @Bupalos: Alas, I merely chose to upgrade my gas furnace last year when I put in a new air conditioner (it was $7,000 more for the heat pump). But my gas water heater is on borrowed time and will be replaced by a heat pump model.

  192. 192.

    Fair Economist

    August 12, 2022 at 5:53 pm

    @Bupalos: Husband put in a new gas heater here a few years ago, over my objections. Southern California, so I’m inclined to let somebody else get the no doubt limited supply in 2023.

  193. 193.

    CaseyL

    August 12, 2022 at 5:53 pm

    Ya HOOO!  Go, Dems!!

    This is fantastic.

    And what a juxtaposition: Democrats working hard for the American people, Republicans working hard for the traitor they coddled for 4 achingly long years.

  194. 194.

    Bupalos

    August 12, 2022 at 5:53 pm

    Anyone need a new car? Let me introduce you to the 238 mile range 2003 Chevy Bolt, which depending on what state you’re in (that may have extra incentives up to 5k) should be able to be had for 15-20k out of your pocket. And should save you well over 10k in fuel costs over its life.

  195. 195.

    Bupalos

    August 12, 2022 at 5:55 pm

    @Fair Economist: In southern cal I imagine you’re not really burning much of anything anyway.

    Can I interest you in a heat pump water heater? Or clothes dryer?

  196. 196.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 12, 2022 at 5:55 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Please do.

    ETA: Ah! You did!

  197. 197.

    Bupalos

    August 12, 2022 at 5:56 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: You tell your landlord. There are incentives for him to do this stuff too. It is a KICK ASS BILL!!

  198. 198.

    JCJ

    August 12, 2022 at 5:57 pm

    @Benw:  I went to the first show on the tour (before Zack de la Rocha got injured)  It was amazing.

  199. 199.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 5:57 pm

    @Bupalos

    Also, Anyone thinking about putting solar panels on your house? Or adding a backup battery system? The feds are paying for 30 percent of that.

  200. 200.

    Fair Economist

    August 12, 2022 at 5:57 pm

    @Fake Irishman:

    But my gas water heater is on borrowed time and will be replaced by a heat pump model.

    One thing I’ve wondered about is “smartifying” the various within-house heat pumps like water heater and fridge, so they pump either to the house or the outside, depending on which is more efficient.

  201. 201.

    Kent

    August 12, 2022 at 5:58 pm

    @Bupalos:Anyone need a new car? Let me introduce you to the 238 mile range 2003 Chevy Bolt, which depending on what state you’re in (that may have extra incentives up to 5k) should be able to be had for 15-20k out of your pocket. And should save you well over 10k in fuel costs over its life.

    Are you selling your 19 year old car?  Or were you referring to a new 2023 Chevy Bolt?

    I’m looking at a possible EV purchase in the next 2 years if I end up sending my daughter to college with my 10 year old Prius.  In addition to the Bolt I have my eye on the Nissan Ariya and other logical non-Tesla models.

    If Musk wasn’t such an uber-Douche and the Tesla fan-boys around here not also the same I’d be interested in Teslas too.  But the two people on my block who have bought Teslas are such MAGA douches (the upscale Northwest version of MAGA) I can’t see myself buying a Tesla anymore.

  202. 202.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 12, 2022 at 5:58 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I was just gonna say.

  203. 203.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 5:58 pm

    Hey everyone, are we tired of winning yet?

  204. 204.

    Bupalos

    August 12, 2022 at 6:00 pm

    Worried you’ll need to upgrade your electric? We’ve got you covered, half off your electricians bill. Oh, you’re on a lower income and things are tight? OK, we’ll pay ALL of your electricians bill then.

    It is a KICK ASS BILL.

    DEMS ROCK!

    WE DO GOOD SHIT!!!

  205. 205.

    Fair Economist

    August 12, 2022 at 6:01 pm

    @Bupalos: Ooh, clothes dryer, I think so!

    Quite apart from CO2 considerations, I’d be happy not to have explosive gas pumped through my house. I know actual problems are quite rare, but I feel so much safer with an electric oven/induction range.

  206. 206.

    Fake Irishman

    August 12, 2022 at 6:01 pm

    My youngest kid rolled over for the first time on the day that Manchin blew up initial negotiations over BBB. I get to rock her to sleep tonight secure in the knowledge that my votes, contributions, and campaigning have helped a little bit toward securing her future.

    Today is beautiful, we’ll get back in the horse and continue the fight next week.

  207. 207.

    Bupalos

    August 12, 2022 at 6:02 pm

    @Kent: Well you caught me there, but funny you should mention that if you are interested in an used EV (including up to 2021 model year) we’ve got $4000 here for you.

  208. 208.

    WaterGirl

    August 12, 2022 at 6:02 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Your comment pushed me over the line. :-)

  209. 209.

    Bupalos

    August 12, 2022 at 6:04 pm

    @Fair Economist: And most people forget, if you can get rid of all the gas stuff and thus delete the account, you’ll save whatever the service fee is. Which in our case here is about $300 a year.

  210. 210.

    Fair Economist

    August 12, 2022 at 6:05 pm

    In terms of kick ass bills, California is currently considering a bill for a HUGE tax credit for going car-light. $2500 for each adult for whom the household had no street-legal vehicle registered other than an electric bike. Currently through the Senate and through Assembly committee.

  211. 211.

    Geminid

    August 12, 2022 at 6:05 pm

    @CaseyL: I haven’t heard yet if any Republicans defected to the Yea side. It sounds like it was  a straight party line vote.

    Some of the Republicans voting Nay may have that vote come back to bite them in November. The provisions in this bill are very popular. People who won’t benefit directly will have friend or family who do.

  212. 212.

    Bupalos

    August 12, 2022 at 6:13 pm

    What I love most about the politics of the way the green subsidies are structured is that it’s going to allow a lot of people who really haven’t been able to participate in greening up their life because of costs do so. In the past it’s always been if you have the MONEY and commitment, we’ll help you a bit. This approach is different. It’s removing a barrier to entry. Just care. If you care, you can do something.

    I have a feeling there are a lot of people who sort of subliminally don’t feel good about their fossil fuel choices, but defend those choices even to the point of political alignment because they don’t think of those choices as choices. It’s going to allow some people who couldn’t afford to be enthusiastically green to be so. I think that can actually change some people’s politics and political stances.

  213. 213.

    Eunicecycle

    August 12, 2022 at 6:13 pm

    @Bupalos: where I am it’s $600 a year! Last month we had $3 of gas and $50 in service fees!

  214. 214.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    August 12, 2022 at 6:15 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Yeah, that’s what I say when folk keep talking about the wonders of installing solar.

  215. 215.

    Bupalos

    August 12, 2022 at 6:16 pm

    @Eunicecycle: What is that, a gas stove?

    Go for induction. If you’re average to above average income, about 50% off. If you’re lower income, should be about free.

  216. 216.

    CaseyL

    August 12, 2022 at 6:17 pm

    @Bupalos: Oh, god, is that in there? I’ve been wanting to upgrade my electric panel, so I can get a heat pump installed.  I’ll have to keep an eye out for that!

  217. 217.

    Bupalos

    August 12, 2022 at 6:17 pm

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: You’re in cali though, can’t you do community solar?

  218. 218.

    Bupalos

    August 12, 2022 at 6:19 pm

    @CaseyL: INDEED IT IS IT’S A KICK ASS BILL!!!!!!

    It’s like someone actually sat down and said “how do we actually get this done, instead of tinkering around and helping out the few better-off folks who were probably going to do it anyway.”

  219. 219.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    August 12, 2022 at 6:20 pm

    @Bupalos: Doesn’t exist here.

  220. 220.

    Bupalos

    August 12, 2022 at 6:26 pm

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Hmmm, yeah I was just starting to research it…sounds like existing programs haven’t really delivered, but you’ve got a bill going through this session that might be fixing that.

    Surprising to me because the NE including PA generally has really good community solar provisions, I’d have thought cali would be leading the way.

  221. 221.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 12, 2022 at 6:29 pm

    Awesome news! : )

  222. 222.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    August 12, 2022 at 6:30 pm

    @Bupalos: Good stuff for home owners, but not for renters.  You have to remember, home owners pay for both the solar improvements and the electric bill, so there’s an incentive for the capital costs.  With renters, there’s a disconnect…the renter pays the electric bill, the landlord would shoulder the capital costs.

  223. 223.

    Fair Economist

    August 12, 2022 at 6:41 pm

    @dmsilev:

    So, a month or so from now?

    Update: Biden thinks like you! He’s going to sign it next week (for the technical reasons) but hold a celebration on September 6 – about a month!

  224. 224.

    Fair Economist

    August 12, 2022 at 6:43 pm

    @Geminid:

    I haven’t heard yet if any Republicans defected to the Yea side. It sounds like it was a straight party line vote.

    No defections on the vote count. 4 not voting; story not currently available (ducking voting against inflation reduction? Just lazy?) We’ll find out what’s up with them in a few days, I guess.

  225. 225.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 12, 2022 at 6:51 pm

    @Fair Economist:

    There was a Congresswoman (from Indiana, maybe?) who died in a car crash a couple of weeks ago, so that’s one R vacancy right there. I don’t recall any other Congressional deaths recently so have no idea about the others.

  226. 226.

    caphilldcne

    August 12, 2022 at 7:13 pm

    @PAM Dirac: it’s done but just an FYI the way it works is that there’s x minutes left but they essentially suspend the clock for the leadership so they are not actually taking time. Which is why McCarthy sneeringly said several times I have all the time I need. I think he said it twice.

  227. 227.

    caphilldcne

    August 12, 2022 at 7:16 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Rep. Jackie Walorski, R-IN. They named a clinic for her in a unanimous consent vote following the vote on reconciliation. she represented the Northwest of indiana – South Bend area. Very conservative.

  228. 228.

    caphilldcne

    August 12, 2022 at 7:18 pm

    I had to watch for my job.  Norbert’s speech was entirely out of control and got gaveled down about three times for exceeding time. McCarthy’s speech was among the most contemptuous speeches I’ve ever heard from the floor. Disgusting.

  229. 229.

    Yutsano

    August 12, 2022 at 7:52 pm

    Shut up and give me the damn money Joe. And sorry but Yellen can stuff her “no one under $400,000” directive. We need to catch the under $300K cheats too or this funding bump is worthless.

  230. 230.

    Ksmiami

    August 12, 2022 at 9:10 pm

    @caphilldcne: I just think Republican reps are just awful people and how they get elected is tragic for the country. They don’t do anything for anyone. No vision, no empathy, no basic manners. The party needs to be obliterated.

  231. 231.

    Ksmiami

    August 12, 2022 at 9:13 pm

    @Kent: Not to mention Elon shat on his main customer base so – eh the car companies will have a lot of offerings within the next few years and they can work w scalable platforms

  232. 232.

    Another Scott

    August 12, 2022 at 11:19 pm

    @Yutsano: I don’t read her letter (2 page .pdf) that way.

    Notwithstanding the changes that arose because of Republican challenges during the Byrd process, I write today to confirm the commitment that has been a guiding precept of the planning that you and your team are undertaking: that audit rates will not rise relative to recent years for households making under $400,000 annually.

    Specifically, I direct that any additional resources — including any new personnel or auditors that are hired — shall not be used to increase the share of small business or households below the $400,000 threshold that are audited relative to historical levels. This means that, contrary to the misinformation from opponents of this legislation, small business or households earning $400,000 per year or less will not see an increase in the chances that they are audited.

    Instead, enforcement resources will focus on high-end noncompliance. There, sustained, multiyear funding is so critical to the agency’s ability to make the investments needed to pursue a robust attack on the tax gap by targeting crucial challenges, like large corporations, high-net worth individuals and complex pass-throughs, where today the IRS has resources to initiate just 7,500 audits annually out of more than 4 million returns received.

    (Emphasis added.)

    As I read it, if the IRS has resources to audit many more of the richy-rich, then it will also have resource to audit more of the under $400k filers as long as the percentage of them does not go up relative to the high-filers compared to earlier years.

    She’s pushing back on the noise that the IRS is going to be auditing everyone who makes $50k a year now. She’s not saying that it’s open season on cheating as long as you don’t earn more than $400k a year.

    My $0.02.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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