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You are here: Home / Elections / 2022 Elections / Elections 2022 Open Thread: Senator Warnock Is the Real Deal

Elections 2022 Open Thread: Senator Warnock Is the Real Deal

by Anne Laurie|  August 18, 202210:01 pm| 78 Comments

This post is in: 2022 Elections, Excellent Links, Local Races, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat

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New this morning for @POLITICO and @POLITICOMag. https://t.co/2MINcDZEqJ

— Michael Kruse (@michaelkruse) August 5, 2022

If you haven’t yet read this whole article, it’s well worth doing so — even if is Politico:

… I’ve watched over the years countless candidates’ set-piece speeches — never, though, one that deliberately elevated a pedestrian piece of potential political pork into a nearly holy totem of American democracy. In a recent week of campaign events, official events and church events, it wasn’t the only time I saw him do this, and it always conjured something Democratic Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey told me earlier this summer when he called to talk about Warnock: “There’s never been anybody like him in the United States Senate.”

Neither has there ever been a race like the race he’s running right now. Warnock, of course, is facing Herschel Walker, the former football player and University of Georgia star — not only pitting two Black men for a seat in the Senate, itself a matchup that is vanishingly rare, but two Black men who present a contrast that’s almost impossibly stark…

In 2020 and (in the run-off that extended into the first week of) 2021, Warnock won with the mantra to “remain the reverend” — a campaign that combined a faith-based social-justice heart with a careful prebutting of Republicans’ race-laced attempts to cast Warnock as radical by calibrating a benign look and vibe. He wore a puffer vest. He was in ads showing him walking a dog (that wasn’t his) on the sidewalks of identifiably suburban streets. He presented the even keel that’s been a Warnock hallmark from the time he was a teen.

This time, though, according to more than 50 interviews with officials, insiders and operatives from both parties and campaigns, Warnock is doing all that and then some — running in a way that’s every bit as disciplined but in a year that’s considerably more difficult. After earning by two points the last two years of the late Republican Johnny Isakson’s term, Warnock is a low-ranking member of an often stalemated, 50-50 Senate from a mostly riven, more-or-less 50-50 state. While continuing to push for voting rights even as Democrats’ signature bills have been stopped and stalled — the franchise has been the most elementally important issue for Warnock forever — his legislative efforts and accomplishments have focused on lowering the cost of insulin and other prescription drugs, investing in infrastructure, agriculture and manufacturing, and prioritizing seniors, farmers, servicemembers and veterans and the lower- and middle-class Georgians he most conspicuously aims to serve. He talks about Covid relief in terms of “tax cuts.” He talks about other spending bills in terms of “jobs, jobs and jobs.” And he seldom so much as says the name Joe Biden — frustrating foes trying to tie him in ads to the deeply unpopular president. “He is a very gifted politician,” Stephen Lawson, the head of a pro-Walker Super PAC, told me — a compliment not necessarily meant to be. “We fully understand,” Lawson said, “that he’s going to be very difficult to unseat.”

More broadly, though, the way Warnock has operated in the last year and a half in the Senate as well as the way he’s vying now for a full six-year term are natural extensions of the tensions that have animated his life and his work — the “double-consciousness” of the Black church, as he describes it in the 2014 book drawn from his doctoral dissertation, the “complementary yet competing sensibilities” of “revivalistic piety and radical protest,” the saving of souls and the salvation of society, what King called “long white robes over yonder” and “a suit and some shoes to wear down here.” In strictly political terms, this tension and connection might be expressed as purity versus pragmatism. And for Warnock, ever the reverend, the balancing act between the high and the low, the eternal and the utterly quotidian, sometimes means taking a run-of-the-mill legislative compromise — one that doesn’t even allocate any actual money for the asphalt — and attempting to frame it as the apotheosis of our ongoing experiment of representative self-government…

The eleventh of 12 children, he grew up in Kayton Homes public housing in an apartment with four bedrooms, a single bathroom and a set of World Book encyclopedias. His parents were Pentecostal pastors, his father straining to make ends meet by selling to a steelyard old, abandoned cars — but, “thanks to the assistance of the federal government,” Warnock recalls, “my family never lived outdoors, we never went hungry, and I never missed out on an opportunity to learn.”…

… [F]rom what is one of the country’s most important pulpits, Warnock has spoken out against voter suppression, the war in Iraq, the overincarceration of Americans but especially Black Americans, and the death penalty — “state-sanctioned murder,” in his words, and “the final fail-safe of white supremacy.” He wore a hoodie in the pulpit after the killing of Trayvon Martin. He was arrested at the state Capitol and again at the U.S. Capitol protesting for access to affordable health care. He hosted an interfaith meeting on climate change with former Vice President Al Gore. He was the spokesman and then the chair of Stacey Abrams’ New Georgia Project…

Warnock formally introduced himself to his new colleagues in his maiden speech in March of last year. The eleventh Black United States senator ever, he told them he has a seat that was held when he was born by a staunch segregationist. He told them his mother who “used to pick somebody else’s cotton went to the polls in January and picked her youngest son to be a United States senator.”

The speech is worth reading or watching or listening to in full, but Warnock landed hardest on the right to vote. “The right to vote is preservative of all other rights. It is not just another issue alongside other issues,” he said. “This issue — access to voting and preempting politicians’ efforts to restrict voting — is so fundamental to our democracy that it is too important to be held hostage by a Senate rule, especially one historically used to restrict the expansion of voting rights” — the filibuster. He called democracy “the political enactment of a spiritual idea: the sacred worth of all human beings, the notion that we all have within us a spark of the divine and a right to participate in the shaping of our destiny,” he said. He conjured the image of John Lewis on the Edmund Pettus Bridge and the Bloody Sunday beatings. “And we in this body would be stopped and stymied by partisan politics? Short-term political gain? Senate procedure?”…

What Warnock’s done, though, is what he can, and also what is pretty much politically necessary in a hard cycle in a purple state. He’s focused most on nuts-and-bolts problems like supply chain issues and shortages of semiconductor chips and other “kitchen-table” concerns. As a member of the Agriculture Committee, the Commerce Committee, the Banking Committee, the Joint Economic Committee, and the Special Committee on Aging, he’s zeroed in on gas prices and the cost of prescription drugs and has positioned himself as a champion of the recently passed CHIPS and jobs and competition bills. At times bucking the Biden administration, he’s pushed for more student debt relief and teamed with Republican congressman Buddy Carter of Georgia to prevent the closure of a military facility in Savannah, with Republican Sen. Tommy Tuberville of Alabama to try to help the peanut farmers of Georgia and with Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida to earn increased funding to try to reduce maternal mortality. He has been measurably one of the more bipartisan members of the Senate.

“He is clearly trying to play this moderate role,” said Lawson, the head of a pro-Walker Super PAC. “But he’s still sort of lockstep with Biden and is seen that way. I mean, I think his voting record with Biden is over 95 percent.” It’s 96.2…

And then, of course, there’s his opponent… a former football star / ‘troubled individual’ imported from Texas by the GOP in hopes of exceeding the Crazification Factor:

Herschel tonight: “It’s time that we had leaders in Washington that gonna make the right leader for you. Because we brought people to the table, but all they’ve done at the table is just sit there. They haven’t moved the stick at all.” pic.twitter.com/ndm3siNdq2

— Ron Filipkowski ???? (@RonFilipkowski) August 18, 2022

This is really disgusting. On so many levels. Herschel is a terrible candidate, appears to be a bad guy too, but this blatant exploitation reeks to high heaven, as well. Painful to watch.

— Don Lewis (@DonLew87) August 17, 2022

Nothing much to see here

Just two good buddies, Rudy Giuliani and Herschel Walker, hanging out in September 2020 chatting about insurrections a few months before an insurrection ?? pic.twitter.com/Ze9KyQLCsc

— Qondi (@QondiNtini) August 18, 2022

No one is better at raising money for Raphael Warnock than Herschel Walker.

— BluePartyGuy???? (@IsMyHandleOk) August 18, 2022

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  1. 1.

    Ken

    August 18, 2022 at 10:15 pm

    The parallels to the 2004 Obama/Keyes senate race are striking. One little-mentioned effect of this will be to give us an updated measure of the crazification factor.

  2. 2.

    stacib

    August 18, 2022 at 10:21 pm

    @Ken: As clueless as Keyes was, I think Herschel actually has him beat in the saying stupid shit department.  But, yeah, the GA race does kinda remind you of that race.

  3. 3.

    Elizabelle

    August 18, 2022 at 10:21 pm

    @Ken:   Good point re the crazification factor.

  4. 4.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 18, 2022 at 10:24 pm

    @stacib: Keyes was nuts, but a kind of political nuts we’re more or less used to. Walker is .. well I”m not a doctor so I’ll just way, it’s concerning.

    I’d say Georgia is pretty purple, and Illinois is probably bluer than it was in ’04, but Obama definitely had a friendlier terrain over all than Warnock. This race shouldn’t be close

    ETA: Keyes really faded after that race. Sometimes they do go away. Bay Buchanan is selling real estate. So I guess there are limits to wing nut welfare

  5. 5.

    WaterGirl

    August 18, 2022 at 10:25 pm

    @stacib: Except that there’s so much more at stake here.  This is not the same Republican party.

  6. 6.

    WaterGirl

    August 18, 2022 at 10:27 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I agree.  This race isn’t about the caliber or worthiness if the candidates.  It’s pure party, Republicans vs. Democrats.  Good vs. evil.  Democracy vs. Authoritarianism.  It’s like a death match for the soul of America.

    It’s distressing that it’s this close.

  7. 7.

    Ramona

    August 18, 2022 at 10:29 pm

    I do hope that Warnock’s few points over of Walker in current polls turns into a gaping chasm in November’s election.

  8. 8.

    RaflW

    August 18, 2022 at 10:34 pm

    That Noem video has all the warmth and authenticity of a late night hair-growth supplement endorsement. I suppose it might appeal to a certain skittish southern white woman who just generally doesn’t, y’know, vote for people quite exactly like that Mistah Walker there (not that she has other options but to skip the ballot line or stay home, but either of those are disaster for the GOP).

  9. 9.

    SpaceUnit

    August 18, 2022 at 10:41 pm

    Herschel Walker’s campaign managers would have to be stupid or insane to allow him to debate Senator Warnock on live television.  Obviously the good news is that Herschel’s campaign staff are probably all stupid and insane.

  10. 10.

    RaflW

    August 18, 2022 at 10:43 pm

    I read a nice little piece in the New Yorker this evening that said there’s some reason for optimism. It very genteelly poked at the CW merchants like Amy Walter. Those folks all think inflation and even gas prices will be determinate.

    I’m not so sure.

    And there is good economic news. Frequently.
    Like, this: Minnesota had a blockbuster July with the addition of 19,100 jobs while its unemployment rate held steady at a historic low of 1.8% (star tribune)

  11. 11.

    bbleh

    August 18, 2022 at 10:45 pm

    A major part of Trump’s 2016 victory was his 15+ years on TV, playing a role that was commensurate with his personality and loosely connected to reality.  Most of what a large fraction — perhaps even the majority — of his supporters thought they knew was mostly or entirely formed by his TV role.

    The Republicans are attempting to replicate that with Walker (and also Oz, but that’s a separate matter).  The thinking is that most voters won’t know much at all about his campaign, his positions (such as he has) or his capabilities (ditto and equally minimal).  They’re betting on his celebrity and the ‘R’ after his name.  I would guess they’d prefer he never opened his mouth in public.

    We’ll see whether the combination of voter ignorance, negative campaigning, and Republican sabotage of election administration will be enough to pull him through.  At this point, I’d call it a coin-flip.  (And yeah I know what Cook said, but that assumes fair administration.)

  12. 12.

    SpaceUnit

    August 18, 2022 at 10:53 pm

    @RaflW:

    I’m feeling optimistic as well.

     

    And it’s not really in my nature.

  13. 13.

    AJ of the Mustard Search and Rescue team

    August 18, 2022 at 10:53 pm

    @Ramona: from your lips to God’s ear 🙏🏻

  14. 14.

    AJ of the Mustard Search and Rescue team

    August 18, 2022 at 10:57 pm

    I wish Manchin and Sinema would surprise us with a filibuster carve out for voting rights.

    After IRA I don’t mind risking disappointment. That was really a freaking miracle.

  15. 15.

    Ramona

    August 18, 2022 at 11:06 pm

    @Ramona:

     

    @AJ of the Mustard Search and Rescue team: Amen!

    But I agree with the poster who said that such a slim lead in the polls is distressing given the discrepancy in character between Warnock and Walker.

  16. 16.

    Origuy

    August 18, 2022 at 11:08 pm

    Musical diversion

    Don’t Stop Believing with three female bagpipers

  17. 17.

    Amir Khalid

    August 18, 2022 at 11:10 pm

    @SpaceUnit:

    On the other hand, it seems to me that debate performance has much less effect on a candidate’s popularity compared to their opponent’s, than it does on morale among their own supporters. Hillary outclassed TFG in their debates, but didn’t win over any significant number of TFG’s voters. Similarly, Democratic voters will enjoy seeing the obvious contrast between Raphael  Warnock and Herschel Walker, but I don’t see it shifting votes from Walker to Warnock.

  18. 18.

    Another Scott

    August 18, 2022 at 11:13 pm

    @RaflW: Thanks for the pointer.  From the cited Susan Glasser piece at the NewYorker:

    Rosenberg sees this fall as a genuinely competitive election, not a foregone conclusion. And his predictions for the long-term fate of the Trumpified G.O.P. are bleak. Republicans have lost the popular vote in seven of the past eight Presidential elections, and Trump was the first incumbent President running for reëlection since Herbert Hoover to have his party lose the White House, Senate, and House in just four years. Rosenberg said he remained convinced that divisive primaries, such as the Wyoming election this week, are disastrous for the Republican Party in general elections—even if pro-Trump candidates beat out the few Liz Cheneys every time. “The Republican coalition,” he asserted flatly, “is cracking.” At this rate, he insisted, the Trump party could even become just as much of a “noncompetitive national entity” as the post-Hoover G.O.P. of the nineteen-thirties and forties.

    I think he’s right. TFG has been and continues to be a disaster for them. But, as we know, wounded animals are dangerous…

    Remember the 2017 Women’s March (the day after TFG was sworn in)? People – especially women – saw – and continue to see – the threat. Kansas tells us that, also too.

    We haven’t seen motivation like this in a long time in American politics. Maybe the 2003 Iraq War protests were larger, but it took longer for that sentiment to have political effect (Kerry lost in 2004). Maybe we’d need to go back to the early ’70s for comparable focused, effective activism.

    CBSNews (from July 20):

    About $513 million was raised through ActBlue, the Democratic Party’s online fundraising platform for small dollar donors, between April 1 and June 30, according to numbers first shared with CBS News.

    The platform brought in $20.6 million on the day the Supreme Court released its ruling in the Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization case, which overturned Roe v. Wade and returned the question of whether abortion would remain legal back to states.

    Overall, in the six days immediately following the June 24 decision, Democratic candidates, committees and progressive organizations brought in $89 million through ActBlue.

    […]

    The platform says that eight out of the 10 largest days for first-time donors occurred in the days after the Supreme Court’s Dobbs draft opinion leaked, the Uvalde, Texas, shooting and after the Dobbs decision.

    The huge sum is more than double the amount raised in the second quarter of the 2018 midterm cycle. The number of individual donors also doubled from that cycle: 2.79 million in 2022 versus 1.4 million in 2018. The average contribution this quarter was $43.31.

    Cycle to date, more than $2.1 billion has been raised for Democratic candidates and organizations through ActBlue. By comparison, nearly $2.3 billion has been raised at this point in the 2020 cycle, a presidential election year.

    By comparison, WinRed, ActBlue’s main Republican online fundraising counterpart, processed $155.8 million in the second quarter of 2022. While ActBlue was first launched in 2004, WinRed was founded in 2019 but already has processed donations for more than 5,000 campaigns in its first three years, compared to ActBlue’s more than 16,000 in the second quarter of 2022 alone.

    ActBlue’s numbers match up with a pattern of high fundraising numbers fby Democratic candidates and incumbents with tough races in November. Sen. Raphael Warnock of Georgia raised $17.2 million in the second quarter, Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona raised $13.6 million, Lieutenant Governor John Fetterman of Pennsylvania raised $11 million and Rep. Val Demings of Florida raised $12.2 million for her run for the Senate.

    We have to stay motivated, stay strong, and keep pushing forward.

    I like our chances.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  19. 19.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 18, 2022 at 11:16 pm

    Chelsea Handler handles Boebert.

  20. 20.

    Stacib

    August 18, 2022 at 11:19 pm

    @WaterGirl: I’m putting ALL of my chips on the Black folks in GA. They know firsthand the cost of losing that seat, and I believe they will “show up and show out”. Even with the attempts at voter suppression, I’m not worried a bit about Senator Warnock not being a strong voice in the U.S. Senate for at least the next six years

    Adding: I’m not sure GA can get both Abrams and Warnock elected, but I don’t think both loses.

  21. 21.

    dmsilev

    August 18, 2022 at 11:27 pm

    I found it. The stupidest op-ed of the month: What Biden could gain from pardoning Trump

    There’s an endgame that would avert that destabilizing prospect: If Attorney General Merrick Garland’s Justice Department indicts Trump, President Biden could intervene with the exercise of his pardon power.

    Hear me out. I’m not naive enough to think modern politicians are in the habit of sacrificing their own political interests to reduce polarization or strengthen “norms.” But it isn’t clear that pardoning Trump would hurt Biden politically. On the contrary, making such a startling move could put the weary president back in the center of the political universe, scramble political alignments and make his former rival — if he accepts the humbling offer — appear small and weak

    It, somehow, gets worse from there.

  22. 22.

    Jackie

    August 18, 2022 at 11:27 pm

    @WaterGirl: It’s only this close NOW. Hopefully, Stacey keeps closing the gap with Kemp. Abortion rights will definitely help!

    And, Warlock should expand his lead especially after the debate(s) – if Walker follows through. Even the Repubs (other than hardcore Trumpies) know he’s a loser.

  23. 23.

    WaterGirl

    August 18, 2022 at 11:28 pm

    @Stacib: That makes me feel better about Warnock.  He elevates the Senate in so many ways.  It would be tragic if he doesn’t win.

  24. 24.

    Ken

    August 18, 2022 at 11:36 pm

    @dmsilev: Sadly, my own editorial — “Iä Cthulhu! How Biden Can Increase His Approval Rating by Sacrificing Members of the White House Press Corps to the Great Old Ones” — has been rejected by every news outlet I’ve tried.

  25. 25.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    August 18, 2022 at 11:40 pm

    Raphael Warnock is one of the brightest lights in the Democratic Party.  The more I see him, the more I like him.

    Herschel Walker’s idiocy is astounding and breathtaking.  He sounds dumber and more clueless with each successive video clip I see.

    I can’t imagine a greater travesty in the midterms than a class act like Warnock losing to a goddamn moron like Walker.

  26. 26.

    Cameron

    August 18, 2022 at 11:42 pm

    @dmsilev: I could only stand a couple of paragraphs of it.  Just the first few assumptions were too weird for me.

  27. 27.

    dmsilev

    August 18, 2022 at 11:44 pm

    @Ken: Perhaps we could seek the middle ground and replace the WH Press Corps with some Shoggoths. It couldn’t be any more shambolic.

  28. 28.

    Bupalos

    August 18, 2022 at 11:47 pm

    Warnock might be president. He’s a talent like that.

    Thank you ms. Laurie for using the word exploitation with walker. This whole thing has made me very uncomfortable. Walker likely has CTE,  he clearly has no attachment (and barely familiarity) with the words he’s been told to say. It’s grotesque. He was used for white people’s entertainment untill he was used up, and now he’s being used to both exploit and stereotype black people.

    And living out in exurban ohio, I wish more people would come to understand that this is also roughly the position many if not most Trumpers occupy. A lot of them are, I guess, what we’ve decided are “bad people.”  And alot of them are identifiably just being exploited. And you’ll never sort out the one from the other, or be able to explain where these lines lie. Because at heart, “bad people” are people who didn’t get what they needed to make them good.

    Come work with the kids of the Trumpers and you’ll understand what I mean.

  29. 29.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    August 18, 2022 at 11:49 pm

    @dmsilev:

    The stupidest op-ed of the month: What Biden could gain from pardoning Trump

    One of the stupidest op-eds of the year.  Jason Willick is out of his goddamn motherfucking mind.

    Aside from his numerous crimes, 500,000 people died because of Trump’s epic incompetent response to COVID.

    Trump deserves to die in prison and Jason Willick can go fuck himself.

  30. 30.

    Cameron

    August 18, 2022 at 11:49 pm

    @dmsilev: Actually, my first thought of fictional characters was of President Blackadder being given a cunning plan by this yoyo.

  31. 31.

    WaterGirl

    August 18, 2022 at 11:49 pm

    After my winning streak on Quordle, Quordle just told me to “step it up” because I missed 3 out of 4 words.  In case I didn’t already know it’s time for bed, I know it now

    I’m just gonna listen to the latest Randy Rainbow one more time.  He’s not a favorite of mine by a long shot, but this one is so good. In case you missed it.

    Let's rock 'n' roll, Mr. Garland! 👮🏻‍♀️🎶 #LockHimUpYesterday #NewVideo pic.twitter.com/itdTtTnk3O

    — Randy Rainbow (@RandyRainbow) August 18, 2022

  32. 32.

    Amir Khalid

    August 18, 2022 at 11:52 pm

    @dmsilev:

    An impressive display of boneheadedness from that WaPo columnist.  Evev I can see that the dumbest and most dangerous thing Biden could do is setting TFG free to wreak more damage on the republic. Biden would alienate a lot of Democrats if he pardoned TFG, and he’s for damn sure not going to win over any Republican voters.

  33. 33.

    Steeplejack

    August 18, 2022 at 11:55 pm

    Here’s Stephen Lawson, the head of the “pro-Walker super PAC.” He has a predictably punchable face and quite the client list—Florida GOP, Rick Scott, Kelly Loeffler, Ron DeSantis. I’m sure he and everyone else involved in Herschel Walker’s campaign have their beaks dipped deep.

  34. 34.

    WaterGirl

    August 18, 2022 at 11:57 pm

    @Ken: I would publish that!

  35. 35.

    dmsilev

    August 18, 2022 at 11:57 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Yep, and it’s not like Trump would feel or act chastened by any pardon; he’d instead take it as vindication.

  36. 36.

    justinb

    August 18, 2022 at 11:59 pm

    OT (not really, since open thread, and BJ)

    Can someone suggest a band / vocalist that’s led by a woman – the edgier side of rock? I’d like to explore something I probably haven’t heard of so… @Omnes, SteveATL, Immet(…), anybody?

  37. 37.

    Damien

    August 19, 2022 at 12:00 am

    Dear WaterGirl, can I please beg for a dark mode for this website? It’s so bright

  38. 38.

    Bupalos

    August 19, 2022 at 12:01 am

    Wait no I want to modify that last bit.

    Don’t come work with the kids of the Trumpers. Rather reflect on the reality that YOU AREN’T GOING TO DO THAT, NO ONE IS GOING TO DO THAT, AND NO ONE HAS  BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS

    There are some new chickens coming home to roost, America.

  39. 39.

    Steeplejack

    August 19, 2022 at 12:02 am

    Is it just me, or does Kristi Noem sound condescending referring to Walker only by his first name? Ugh.

  40. 40.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 19, 2022 at 12:08 am

    Aaron Rupar @atrupar

    Rudy Giuliani tells Newsmax that Trump was just trying to preserve documents by putting them in a safe place.

    so…. not planted? not because he was packing in a hurry? not careless underlings? not that he didn’t know what was in those boxes? I think there have been a couple more excuses

  41. 41.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    August 19, 2022 at 12:09 am

    @Steeplejack:

    Is it just me, or does Kristi Noem sound condescending referring to Walker only by his first name?

    I didn’t get that impression. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump chose Noem to be his running mate.

  42. 42.

    ian

    August 19, 2022 at 12:10 am

    @dmsilev: Its a former WSJ and Forbes writer, somehow landed on WAPO.  A quick google of his work shows he is a typical right wing hack.  His other big thing going is that because Canada is allowing euthanasia, it proves that liberals want to genocide all people with disabilities.  That might top this op-ed in sheer stupidity.

  43. 43.

    Jackie

    August 19, 2022 at 12:12 am

    @Steeplejack: She sounded like she was forced to *support* him.  TFG probably dangled VP if she complied.

    I see Wyatt Salamanca and I are thinking the same!

  44. 44.

    Bupalos

    August 19, 2022 at 12:13 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: they’re fishing you in, my friend. You can’t “gotcha” this. The very idea is to toss out so many contradictory and orthagonal lines of smoke, leaving everyone saying contadictory and orthagonal “AHA! AHA! AHA’s”…until the very idea of truth disappears

    It’s not an argument or explanation. Of course it’s not.

  45. 45.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 19, 2022 at 12:14 am

    @Wyatt Salamanca: first-namification is so out of control (and I am not a cranky old man!) that I don’t know if it was condescending, but in spite of all the “my friend… my friend…”, I was put in mind of a car-dealer’s second wife who wanted to be on TV and a fading local star athlete who was used to doing TV and thought, “Free car? What the hell?”

  46. 46.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    August 19, 2022 at 12:14 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Rudy doesn’t know when to STFU.  Time magazine’s decision to name him “Person of the Year” clearly has not aged well.

  47. 47.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 19, 2022 at 12:14 am

    @Bupalos:

    they’re fishing you in, my friend.

    not really, I just found it amusing

  48. 48.

    Amir Khalid

    August 19, 2022 at 12:15 am

    @justinb:

    How about St. Vincent?

  49. 49.

    H.E.Wolf

    August 19, 2022 at 12:17 am

    @Stacib: @WaterGirl: I’m putting ALL of my chips on the Black folks in GA. They know firsthand the cost of losing that seat, and I believe they will “show up and show out”.

     Amen. One of my guiding principles, these past 5 years and more, is to follow the political lead of Democratic Black women, and Democratic Black folks more generally.​
     

    ETA: I hope to see Rev. Warnock become one of the lions of the Senate. And I’d be proud to call Stacey Abrams “Madam President” someday.

  50. 50.

    SpaceUnit

    August 19, 2022 at 12:18 am

    @justinb:

    Hands Off Gretel.  Their last album I Want the World is a masterpiece.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o71wASUMdWI

  51. 51.

    Redshift

    August 19, 2022 at 12:18 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    On the other hand, it seems to me that debate performance has much less effect on a candidate’s popularity compared to their opponent’s, than it does on morale among their own supporters.

    Despite “swing voters” being the unicorns our political media like to seek out, almost nothing switches voters from one candidate to the other these days; the shifts are almost all about turnout. So Warnock making his supporters and potential supporters feel proud and motivated, and Walker making his feel uncomfortable and embarrassed, is probably a pretty good result to get out of the debates or other public appearances.

  52. 52.

    Bupalos

    August 19, 2022 at 12:20 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: yeah I get that. But acting like entertaining clowns is part of the deal too.

    Every so often I have to remind myself  that Trump palpably and baldly  and elaborately lied  ABOUT THE WEATHER. To people who had just witnessed and been out in that weather.

    It’s taken me a long time to get on that wavelength.

  53. 53.

    Bupalos

    August 19, 2022 at 12:23 am

    @H.E.Wolf:

    I’m hoping the turnout kicker here is that running Walker is a kind of deep down personal insult.

    Republicans look like they are flat out scorning black people.

  54. 54.

    Redshift

    August 19, 2022 at 12:31 am

    @justinb:

    Can someone suggest a band / vocalist that’s led by a woman – the edgier side of rock? I’d like to explore something I probably haven’t heard of so… @Omnes, SteveATL, Immet(…), anybody?

    How current are you looking for? Blondie and Joan Jett immediately come to mind. Annie Lennox/Eurythmics, also Florence + the Machine. Pink is hit-or-miss, but her good stuff is fun.

  55. 55.

    Redshift

    August 19, 2022 at 12:33 am

    @Bupalos:

    Every so often I have to remind myself that Trump palpably and baldly and elaborately lied ABOUT THE WEATHER. To people who had just witnessed and been out in that weather.

    It’s taken me a long time to get on that wavelength.

    I found Harry Frankfurt’s “On Bullshit” very helpful. (I read it when I was trying to understand why Shrub and his people were telling obvious lies even when the didn’t have to.)

  56. 56.

    Joe Falco

    August 19, 2022 at 12:36 am

    @Wyatt Salamanca:

    I can’t imagine a greater travesty in the midterms than a class act like Warnock losing to a goddamn moron like Walker.

    I think of Alabama and how the voters there chose Tommy “Dumb as a Sack of Potatoes” Tuberville over Doug Jones, a decent man who has done more to advance justice than Potatotown ever could, even when given the chance to impeach Trump. Tommy had a R after his name and coached college football at Auburn, and that’s all he needed to win election in Alabama.

    Democrats in Georgia were able to do so much already by replacing cardboard cut-out Kelly Loeffler with Warnock. I hope this November we can prove again to the rest of the nation Georgians can and will vote competence over celebrity. Give Warnock as many terms in the Senate as he wants.

  57. 57.

    James E Powell

    August 19, 2022 at 12:48 am

    @RaflW:

    And there is good economic news. Frequently.
    Like, this: Minnesota had a blockbuster July with the addition of 19,100 jobs while its unemployment rate held steady at a historic low of 1.8% (star tribune)

    But in this diner in Zumbro Falls . . .

  58. 58.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    August 19, 2022 at 12:49 am

    @Joe Falco:

    The Alabama race is a great analogy.  Tommy Tubberville can certainly give Heschel Walker a run for his money in terms of stupidity.

  59. 59.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    August 19, 2022 at 12:54 am

    @Redshift:

    Given that Trump is the biggest bullshit artist in our nation’s history, a copy of Harry Frankfurt’s “On Bullshit” belongs in the drawer of every single hotel and motel room in America right next to the bible.

  60. 60.

    phdesmond

    August 19, 2022 at 12:54 am

    went to the dentist for my regular cleaning, but i just saw my dentist in passing, so we said hi.

    ran across this stanza from emily dickinson.  copied it and sent the dentist this text:
    Narcotics cannot still the Tooth
    That nibbles at the soul –

    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47653/this-world-is-not-conclusion-373

    half an hour later she emails back,

    How have I never heard that before?
    Very true!
    Always a pleasure!
    Dr S

    So, if you like your dentist, you have my permission!

  61. 61.

    Calouste

    August 19, 2022 at 12:58 am

    @justinb: Garbage, the Breeders, L7, Skunk Anansi

  62. 62.

    JCJ

    August 19, 2022 at 1:02 am

    @justinb: A few come to mind, but I am not very up to date.  Paramour, The Pretty Reckless, In This Moment.  I think Evanescence has a new album.  Also, you can never go wrong with Garbage

  63. 63.

    hilts

    August 19, 2022 at 1:06 am

    @phdesmond:

    You can never go wrong with Emily Dickinson!

  64. 64.

    phdesmond

    August 19, 2022 at 1:29 am

    @hilts:

    apparently!

  65. 65.

    Anyway

    August 19, 2022 at 3:59 am

    @justinb:

    In addition to those mentioned already — Hole (discussed recently on BJ), TLC, Cranberries

  66. 66.

    raven

    August 19, 2022 at 6:18 am

    @justinb:
    Amanda Shires – Hawk For The Dove

  67. 67.

    Geminid

    August 19, 2022 at 6:23 am

    @Redshift: Yes, the Georgia races depend a lot on base mobilization. Relatedly, this year voter registation efforts may make the difference.

    There still are “swing voters,” just not as many as 20 or 30 years ago. Georgia’s election will be a good test of their numbers. Polling is showing a significant number of Kemp yes, Walker no” respondents. Kemp’s way ahead of Walker in terms of candidate quality, and factors of mysogyny and racism may weigh against Abrams. And Georgia is doing well fiscally and economically and a little of this will rub off on the incumbent Governor.

    The differential between Walker and Kemp could narrow by election day, but I think it is still likely that Kemp will poll 3-5% ahead of Walker. This doesn’t neccearily mean Kemp will win.

  68. 68.

    justinb

    August 19, 2022 at 7:19 am

    @Amir Khalid: That’s it, exactly! Thank you!

  69. 69.

    justinb

    August 19, 2022 at 7:27 am

    @SpaceUnit: I didn’t like the first 30 seconds or so, and that started to color my opinion, but man, that sucks you right in. Wow. I’ll definitely be checking out some other stuff

  70. 70.

    Sheldon Vogt

    August 19, 2022 at 7:27 am

    @Redshift: No love for Chrissie Hynde and the Pretenders?

  71. 71.

    justinb

    August 19, 2022 at 7:30 am

    @Redshift: Those are on my list – high school for me. I’m mostly looking for current stuff along those same lines. The same idea, just current

  72. 72.

    justinb

    August 19, 2022 at 7:32 am

    @Anyway: I absolutely love the cranberries! I used to drive the facilities guy nuts playing it loud on my office with the door open, but everybody liked it, so it wasn’t disturbing anybody

  73. 73.

    justinb

    August 19, 2022 at 7:34 am

    So many great suggestions!!! Thank you all :)

  74. 74.

    Skepticat

    August 19, 2022 at 9:22 am

    @dmsilev: The stupidest op-ed of the month

    This was both infuriating and disgusting.

  75. 75.

    frosty

    August 19, 2022 at 10:09 am

    @justinb: Dead thread, but Halestorm and Evanescence are two favorites of mine. Might be a little too metal for you but give them a try.

  76. 76.

    Chris Johnson

    August 19, 2022 at 10:20 am

    @Redshift: Edgy female rock frontwoman? Chrissie Hynde of the Pretenders, first album. If you don’t know that, it’s exactly what you asked for. Outrocks white boys handily. Precioussss…

    Also, PJ Harvey.

    Also someone mentioned In This Moment. I think they’re more metal, but In This Moment is SO good <3

  77. 77.

    Steve in the ATL

    August 19, 2022 at 11:20 am

    @justinb: in case you are still monitoring this thread:

    Cocktail Slippers

    Luscious Jackson

    Veruca Salt

    Vibeke Saugestad (ok, not too edgy, but fun!)

    The Primitives (maybe not edgy musically, but the lyrics are bitter!)

    The Vibrators

    Dog Party

    CTMF (too obscure?)

    Juliana Hatfield

  78. 78.

    S Cerevisiae

    August 19, 2022 at 3:44 pm

    @justinb: Halestorm is awesome!

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