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Sunday Morning Open Thread: Never Know When You’ll Need A Helmet…

by Anne Laurie|  August 28, 20226:50 am| 178 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republicans in Disarray!, Show Me On the Doll Where Rahm Touched You

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Thank you, Kalakal:

The campaign is produced for the Danish Road Safety Council by NewLand Film and &Co 2021

Ask these Repubs!

Senator Rick Scott wrote the only election-year plan the GOP has this year—in it, he wants to require Congress to vote on the future of Social Security every 5 years.

Do you want to put your Social Security into the hands of Ted Cruz or Marjorie Taylor Greene?

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) August 26, 2022

Senator Ron Johnson wants Social Security and Medicare on the chopping block every year. He's the same guy who said if Republicans get control of Congress, they'll try to get rid of the ACA again—denying insurance to people with preexisting conditions.

These guys never stop.

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) August 27, 2022


Some of Our Media Betters, also showing signs of closed-head trauma:

trump lost the house, senate, and white house while his voters were maximally engaged, the first president to do that since herbert hoover. why would his presence improve that.

what if people just don’t like the republican party right now. https://t.co/scBbIj2vA2

— World Famous Art Thief (@CalmSporting) August 24, 2022

a republican congress will pass a national ban on abortion. just tell that to your dumbfuck friends that don’t vote. it has the virtue of being true. they don’t need to understand how the veto works. get those turds to vote. https://t.co/8HYkckuSHH

— World Famous Art Thief (@CalmSporting) August 24, 2022

if the dem strategy is to stack _all_ of their wins right ahead of the midterms, denying conservative groups the chance to seize the narrative for any of them, it’s brilliant lmfao lesson learned

— pessimist functor (@htpyFiber) August 26, 2022

It wasn’t the plan all along. But that this is where it ended up is shocking only to people who don’t follow politics much, or do follow politics but are nitwits & jackasses. https://t.co/SYHPIuCNTK

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) August 27, 2022

Student loan stuff is only bc of the election. If he was truly progressive he would have proposed a $1.8 trillion plan w expanded child tax credit, free pre-K & community college, subsidized family leave, support for child care & family/medical leave, &…oh, wait, he actually did

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) August 27, 2022

one of the craziest common beliefs is "we should work to find common cause with the people whose core belief is that we should be killed by the state rather than the people whose core belief is that they should immediately concede and leave power if outvoted." https://t.co/i29c3SdM0G

— Andreas Schou (@revhowardarson) August 19, 2022

It's worth paying attention to who gets angry whenever people who need help receive even a tiny bit of it from the state, and also to how angry they get about it. Not because it tells you anything about like Rep. Jim Jordan that you didn't already know, but because it is funny.

— David Roth (@david_j_roth) August 24, 2022

hmm i wonder whose fault that is https://t.co/gvcuKfM2A3

— Jort-Michel Connard ?? (@torriangray) August 26, 2022

Mulvaney got pushback, pushback that could cost him $$$ from Trump world, for suggesting Trump shouldn't be 2024 nominee. Thus this tweet.

Yes, the search was about documents. Would Mick be happier if the FBI had said they were also looking for a dead body in the storage room? https://t.co/m21Pfz8FSV

— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) August 26, 2022

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  1. 1.

    The Thin Black Duke

    August 28, 2022 at 6:56 am

    I really like this “no fucks left to give” Joe Biden.

  2. 2.

    Baud

    August 28, 2022 at 7:08 am

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    Yep. Those tweets are great.

  3. 3.

    Baud

    August 28, 2022 at 7:12 am

    So the GOP did a lot of bad redistricting after their big 2010 victory, but we still won something like 40 seats in 2018 under those district maps.  It really does mostly depend on who shows up.

  4. 4.

    Brachiator

    August 28, 2022 at 7:12 am

    Student loan stuff is only bc of the election. If he was truly progressive he would have proposed a $1.8 trillion plan w expanded child tax credit, free pre-K & community college, subsidized family leave, support for child care & family/medical leave, &…oh, wait, he actually did

    Yes, yes, yes.

    I will quote this whenever super progressives start whining about how “disappointed” they are with Biden.

  5. 5.

    Baud

    August 28, 2022 at 7:13 am

    Dana Houle

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    Aug 26, 2022

    @DanaHoule
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    If you’re saying something like “whoa, Biden really changed,” you’re not saying what you should say: “I was wrong. I don’t know shit about politics.”

    This is a marriable tweet.

  6. 6.

    germy shoemangler

    August 28, 2022 at 7:15 am

    So glad Biden finally switched from indica to sativa

    — Alex Blagg (@alexblagg) August 26, 2022

  7. 7.

    p.a.

    August 28, 2022 at 7:17 am

    Poor W, if only he’d said the racist stuff through a megaphone, maybe he’d have been as loved as tRump after showing himself a miserable failure too.

  8. 8.

    Baud

    August 28, 2022 at 7:17 am

    WRT legislative victories, yes, a lot of them happen just before the election because Congress is on a clock too, and deadlines force legislators to fish or cut bait.

    No way Joe wanted didn’t want BBB back in 2021.

  9. 9.

    germy shoemangler

    August 28, 2022 at 7:20 am

    The audacity of Curt Schilling — who took $75 million in government-backed loans, then bankrupted his company, stiffed his employees, and left Rhode Island taxpayers holding the bill — to lecture anyone else about debt forgiveness is truly breathtaking. pic.twitter.com/pR7ZrRd02Q

    — OrcishLibrarian (@BibliovoreOrc) August 25, 2022

  10. 10.

    Geminid

    August 28, 2022 at 7:25 am

    @Baud: 2018 Democrat pickups on Republican maps included 3 in Virginia, 2 in Texas, 1 each in Georgia, South Carolina, Oklahoma and Kansas. There were 2 seats flipped in Michigan, but I’m not sure Republicans drew that map.

    The seats in South Carolina and Oklahoma were retaken by Republicans in 2020.

  11. 11.

    Ken

    August 28, 2022 at 7:25 am

    It still feels more than a little weird to agree with Bill Kristol. I’m debating whether I want to scroll through his twitter feed. What if I agree with him on many things, not just the few tweets BJ front-pagers copy over here?

    I also like that Jort-Michel Connard tweet, but I thought Jort was a cat?

  12. 12.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    August 28, 2022 at 7:26 am

    Yesterday, a friend was telling me about a guy she works with who was a lifelong R but left the party because he thinks the current Rs are nuts. He not only left the Rs, but is actively working for the Ds. His only complaint is that the local Iowa Ds are disorganized.

    @p.a.: That is sadly true.

  13. 13.

    oatler

    August 28, 2022 at 7:26 am

    I always thought it was funny that none of the handsome leads wore helmets during battles in LOTR.

  14. 14.

    Baud

    August 28, 2022 at 7:27 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    His only complaint is that the local Iowa Ds are disorganized.

     
    Welcome to the party, pal.

  15. 15.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 28, 2022 at 7:27 am

    Blech. Another sleepless night.

  16. 16.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    August 28, 2022 at 7:28 am

    There’s a piece on Kos saying the judge is going to give TFG his special master. Is that true? How would that even work? It’s so late. And there’s a bunch of highly classified material involved.

  17. 17.

    Baud

    August 28, 2022 at 7:29 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Hearing is in September.  No final decision yet.

  18. 18.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    August 28, 2022 at 7:30 am

    @Baud: That was more or less what I said.

    Was it Will Rogers who said “I’m not a member of an organized party. I’m a Democrat”?

  19. 19.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 28, 2022 at 7:30 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: @Baud:

    “I Am Not A Member Of Any Organized Political Party — I’m A Democrat”

    -Will Rogers

  20. 20.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    August 28, 2022 at 7:31 am

    @Baud: Thanks.

    By that point, surely whoever is sorting the material will have looked at it all. So I guess I don’t get the point.

  21. 21.

    Amir Khalid

    August 28, 2022 at 7:31 am

    @oatler:

    Didn’t Gimli wear one? … Oh wait, you said none of the handsome leads.

  22. 22.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 28, 2022 at 7:32 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: The FBI had a special master from the gitgo, but he wasn’t trump’s, I guess. Not that this one will be either.

  23. 23.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2022 at 7:33 am

    @DanaHoule

    If you’re saying something like “whoa, Biden really changed,” you’re not saying what you should say:

     

    “I was wrong. I don’t know shit about politics.”

    Say it louder for those in back, and the thick-headed idiots!

  24. 24.

    Ken

    August 28, 2022 at 7:34 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: It won’t happen, but I can dream this will backfire like a genie wish:

    “ORDERED, that a Special Master be appointed to examine all documents in the possession of Donald J. Trump, to determine if any of them are the property of the United States Government, and to return any such documents to the Government;

    “FURTHER ORDERED, that all homes, offices, and other locations owned or controlled by said Donald J. Trump be now sealed, and no person be admitted to, or allowed to remove any material from, any such location until it has been inspected by the Special Master.”

  25. 25.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    August 28, 2022 at 7:34 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yeah, I thought that was the case. They deal with criminals all the time, so they’ve had to sort attorney communications before.

    There are days when the sheer amount of stupid gets me down.

  26. 26.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 28, 2022 at 7:36 am

    Scott Seiss
    @ScottSeiss

    “quiet quitting”

  27. 27.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2022 at 7:38 am

    David Marcus

    @BlueBoxDave

    The investigations into Trump will never end. This is the rest of our lives now.

    David, sit down.  I have something to tell you – “Well, if the orange shitstain would stop committing crimes!”

  28. 28.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 28, 2022 at 7:38 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Yep, and this time they were gonna make sure to dot ALL their i’s and cross ALL their t’s. No mistakes mf’ers.

  29. 29.

    Baud

    August 28, 2022 at 7:39 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    They could stop caring about Trump.  Then the investigations wouldnt bother them so much.

  30. 30.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    August 28, 2022 at 7:40 am

    To my dismay, “promoted” posts show up in my twitter feed. One today reads: “Neither scientists nor biologists can explain these scary trail cam photos captured in the woods”

    Way to give a gratuitous slap to biologists!

  31. 31.

    Suzanne

    August 28, 2022 at 7:43 am

    The investigations into Trump will never end. This is the rest of our lives now.

    There they are, threatening me with a good time again.

    This is another perfect time for the gif of Michael Jackson eating popcorn.

  32. 32.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 28, 2022 at 7:43 am

    @Baud: But but but to do that they’d have to admit that they aren’t the victims of FBI overreach.

  33. 33.

    The Thin Black Duke

    August 28, 2022 at 7:43 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I think what Trump is trying to do is delay, delay, and delay some more until the midterm elections. He knows that if the GOP takes the House and Senate, the Republicans will make all his problems go away, because they don’t give a shit about treason.

  34. 34.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2022 at 7:44 am

    @germy shoemangler: What’s this guy – a Republican?

  35. 35.

    Suzanne

    August 28, 2022 at 7:48 am

    @The Thin Black Duke: I just fundamentally do not understand. Shit, if I could retire yesterday, I would. All these ex-presidents get a great pension and can fly around the world giving speeches and rake in big dollars for very little work. That sounds great. Being the president sounds fucking terrible. I don’t understand why he wants to do it again. (To say nothing of how terrible it was for all of us citizens.)

  36. 36.

    Baud

    August 28, 2022 at 7:50 am

    @Suzanne:

    Being president is terrible for people who take the work seriously.

  37. 37.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2022 at 7:52 am

    @Baud: Baud McClane, is that you?

    Also, where’s the pizza?

  38. 38.

    Ken

    August 28, 2022 at 7:52 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Way to give a gratuitous slap to biologists!

    Payback for the way they treat sociologists, according to this handy XKCD scale.

  39. 39.

    Lapassionara

    August 28, 2022 at 7:53 am

    @Geminid: I think that seat in SC should be winnable for Ds again. Keeping my fingers crossed.

  40. 40.

    The Thin Black Duke

    August 28, 2022 at 7:54 am

    @Suzanne: Trump knows that the presidency is the only thing that will protect his bloated carcass now.

  41. 41.

    germy shoemangler

    August 28, 2022 at 7:55 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    “staunch” apparently

  42. 42.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2022 at 7:58 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Also, we will judge if they’re scary, dammit!  Or if it’s just clickbait garbage for which several handfuls of slaps should be handed out.

    ETA – also, what about the makers of the trail cams?  Analysis is impossible?

    Someone (probably several people) need(s) a Sunday morning slap.

  43. 43.

    Nelle

    August 28, 2022 at 8:00 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: The Polk County, Iowa Democrats are really organized, particularly in Urbandale.  Where is your friend?  They might want to look at our Neighbor to Neighbor plan.  I can give contact numbers.

  44. 44.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2022 at 8:05 am

    @Suzanne:

    Being the president sounds fucking terrible. I don’t understand why he wants to do it again. (To say nothing of how terrible it was for all of us citizens.)

    Vlad and Bonesaw are probably demanding more state secrets.

  45. 45.

    Brachiator

    August 28, 2022 at 8:08 am

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    I think what Trump is trying to do is delay, delay, and delay some more until the midterm elections. He knows that if the GOP takes the House and Senate, the Republicans will make all his problems go away, because they don’t give a shit about treason.

    The DOJ and FBI will continue to pursue Trump, as will New York state prosecutors. He may avoid a deeper look into January 6 issues, but his problems are not going away anytime soon.

    Hell, there will probably be more stuff, since Trump really does not understand that he is a FORMER president. His ego kept pushing boundaries.  And the chickens keep coming home to roost.

  46. 46.

    Suzanne

    August 28, 2022 at 8:10 am

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Vlad and Bonesaw are probably demanding more state secrets. 

    That’s probably true.
    Depressing to consider.

    God, I could never be a criminal. It sounds like too much effort and stress.

  47. 47.

    germy shoemangler

    August 28, 2022 at 8:11 am

    In a Friday rant against President Joe Biden’s student-loan forgiveness plan, Texas Republican Ted Cruz insisted that “slacker baristas” with debt will come out to support Democrats in the midterm elections. “If you are that slacker barista who wasted seven years in college studying completely useless things, now has loans and can’t get a job, Joe Biden just gave you 20 grand,” Cruz said his Verdict with Ted Cruz podcast. “Like, holy cow! 20 grand. You know, maybe you weren’t gonna vote in November, and suddenly you just got 20 grand.” The Texas Republican continued: “And you know, if you can get off the bong for a minute and head down to the voting station… or just send in your mail-in ballot that the Democrats have helpfully sent you, it could drive up turnout, particularly among young people.”

    You mad, bro?

  48. 48.

    MagdaInBlack

    August 28, 2022 at 8:12 am

    @mrmoshpotato: I suspect you misunderstand his sarcasm at upper management and their expectations. Scott is on our side

    ( i may have misunderstood your comment tho, I’m pre-coffee)

  49. 49.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2022 at 8:13 am

    @Suzanne: Of course, Dump also wants the attention again, too.

    Good grief, what a bloated sack of personality disorders.  Fred must’ve been a monstrous father.

  50. 50.

    Brachiator

    August 28, 2022 at 8:16 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Blech. Another sleepless night.

    I sympathethize. I have a leg and knee injury that won’t let me get good sleep.

  51. 51.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2022 at 8:17 am

    @MagdaInBlack:

    ( i may have misunderstood your comment tho, I’m pre-coffee) 

    Drink a cup, then tell me who Scott is because I is confoozed. 😁

  52. 52.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    August 28, 2022 at 8:17 am

    @Nelle: My friend is in the Quad Cities. I passed along her story without asking her, so I think I won’t tell her about your kind offer!

  53. 53.

    MagdaInBlack

    August 28, 2022 at 8:19 am

    @germy shoemangler: Fuck right off into the sunset, Ted.

  54. 54.

    MagdaInBlack

    August 28, 2022 at 8:21 am

    @mrmoshpotato: No, I’ll just pretend to delete my post, cause I replied to the wrong comment.  More french roast  please.

    (erase erase erase)

  55. 55.

    sab

    August 28, 2022 at 8:21 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Those promoted tweets are Twitters way of protecting you from being too much in your own only  people who think like you bubble.

  56. 56.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    August 28, 2022 at 8:21 am

    @germy shoemangler: I hope everyone having student debt forgiven hears Cruz’s rant and lets it affect their vote. You gonna let this guy insult you???

  57. 57.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    August 28, 2022 at 8:22 am

    @sab: I figure they must pay twitter’s bills since I’m paying them anything.

  58. 58.

    germy shoemangler

    August 28, 2022 at 8:23 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    “Contempt for the audience.  That’s what killed Dennis Day”

  59. 59.

    rikyrah

    August 28, 2022 at 8:24 am

    Good Morning, Everyone😊😊😊

  60. 60.

    rikyrah

    August 28, 2022 at 8:24 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: 😪😪😪😪

  61. 61.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 28, 2022 at 8:25 am

    @Brachiator: Yeah, both my shoulders are shot and my hips are going. Being a side sleeper, the pain wakes me up every hour or so to roll over.

    I wish that was what I’m dealing with now. I am waking up at 11 or 12, and that’s it. My brain kicks into gear and I just can’t shut it off. Sometimes Planet Earth can help. Sometimes a book can help. Sometimes a glass of milk can help. Sometimes drugs can help. The last 2 nights, nothing helped.

  62. 62.

    NeenerNeener

    August 28, 2022 at 8:25 am

    @Ken: Jorts with an “s” is a cat. Jort-Michel is a person, as near as I can tell.

  63. 63.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2022 at 8:26 am

    @MagdaInBlack: No worries.

  64. 64.

    Barbara

    August 28, 2022 at 8:31 am

    @germy shoemangler: ​ It’s a refrain I can’t get out of my head — it’s like they don’t know what country they actually live in, and are stuck with the idea that “working class” means not college educated, working in a “heavy” job like manufacturing or construction. Never mind that manufacturing increasingly relies on people with the capacity to understand and use computers (i.e., post-high school education or training) or that non-blue collar jobs in hospitality and health care are psychologically and sometimes physically demanding.

    It is very unfortunate that the press perpetuates this view when it opines on “working class voters,” by which it almost always means white men working in mining and manufacturing, and maybe construction trades — the latter being the only category that has not diminished greatly over the last two decades.

  65. 65.

    Baud

    August 28, 2022 at 8:31 am

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning.

  66. 66.

    Baud

    August 28, 2022 at 8:32 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Sadly Republicans have been insulting people for a long time with little pushback.  Hope this time is different.

  67. 67.

    Shalimar

    August 28, 2022 at 8:33 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: The judge is gonna name Jared as special master.  He’s cleared for all that special stuff, and he’s officially ambivalent about his dad-in-law.

  68. 68.

    kalakal

    August 28, 2022 at 8:33 am

    One thing that cheers me up is that every morning Turtle McTurtleface wakes up and the first thought in his head will be

    ” Oh God, what’s that moron done while I was sleeping?”

    If only he had a copy of my new book

    Reputational Damage Control for Scheming Bastards

  69. 69.

    Soprano2

    August 28, 2022 at 8:34 am

    @mrmoshpotato: There are a bunch of replies to that tweet just like yours, with a few that say “You haven’t proven any crimes”. TFG’s supporters are willfully blind, because him having those documents, lying about it, then refusing to give them back ARE ALL CRIMES! Even if he waved his magic hand and said they were all unclassified it would still be a crime for him to have them!

  70. 70.

    Narya

    August 28, 2022 at 8:34 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: 10 percent happier app has some sleep meditations that have helped me a bit, especially with mind-churn.

  71. 71.

    Soprano2

    August 28, 2022 at 8:38 am

    @Suzanne: He wants to be a dictator. Plus, he knows it keeps them from investigating all his crimes. I think it’s who he is, he can’t stop wanting power over people. When he was president he didn’t do much work anyway, mostly he watched TV and tweeted.

  72. 72.

    Brachiator

    August 28, 2022 at 8:40 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Yeah, both my shoulders are shot and my hips are going. Being a side sleeper, the pain wakes me up every hour or so to roll over.

    Yeah. Lying down wasn’t working, still pressure on my leg. So I tried sleeping in a comfortable chair. Inconsistent results.

  73. 73.

    Soprano2

    August 28, 2022 at 8:42 am

    @germy shoemangler: Wow, I guess he thinks “barista” isn’t a job. He better never go to a coffee shop again! He’s obviously never done a really hard day of work in his life.

  74. 74.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 28, 2022 at 8:42 am

    @Narya: Heh, thanx but I don’t have a smart phone.

  75. 75.

    Ramalama

    August 28, 2022 at 8:43 am

    @kalakal:

    Reputational Damage Control for Scheming Bastards

    Love the title.

  76. 76.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 28, 2022 at 8:46 am

    @Brachiator:

    I will quote this whenever super progressives start whining about how “disappointed” they are with Biden.

    Anyone on the left who’s still disappointed with Biden wouldn’t have been satisfied if he’d walked on water while turning it into wine.  Fuck ’em.

  77. 77.

    Geminid

    August 28, 2022 at 8:47 am

    @Brachiator: Have you tried advil pm or an equivalent? It includes an antihistamine to calm brain activity. They work for me, but everyone is different when it comes to sleeping.

  78. 78.

    germy shoemangler

    August 28, 2022 at 8:48 am

    @Soprano2:

    The news media routinely portray Democrats as snobbish elites looking down their noses at working people.

    You won't read this quote in the New York Times or The Atlantic. t.co/RmmdcE65or

    — Jamison Foser (@jamisonfoser) August 26, 2022

  79. 79.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 28, 2022 at 8:48 am

    @Brachiator: Same here, especially if I’m having a charley horse night. I’m closer to the ice packs, not waking my wife up with fits of cursing and hopping around etc. Eventually, I might fall asleep. Or not.

    6 or 7 hours of broken sleep feels pretty good in the AM. 4-5 is sufficient to get me till I can have a nap. 1 or 2? That sucks donkey d.

  80. 80.

    Steeplejack

    August 28, 2022 at 8:48 am

    @germy shoemangler:

    First comment: “Dank Brandon.”

  81. 81.

    Percysowner

    August 28, 2022 at 8:50 am

    @The Thin Black Duke: ​
     They don’t give a shit about treason. The Jan.6 commission will go away if they retake the House. But we have Biden for another 2 years and his DOJ can keep on keeping on and there is no way Biden will pardon Trump so there’s at least that.

  82. 82.

    Soprano2

    August 28, 2022 at 8:50 am

    @Barbara: They should watch my servers, cooks and bartenders working when it’s busy to see what hard work is. We helped by busing tables last night because it was busy and we only had one server and one bartender! It’s been slow the past few Saturday nights (summer, grrrr) so our manager only scheduled one of each last night, then there was an unscheduled group and it was pretty busy otherwise. He did a great job, too.

  83. 83.

    Brachiator

    August 28, 2022 at 8:50 am

    @Barbara:

    It’s a refrain I can’t get out of my head — it’s like they don’t know what country they actually live in, and are stuck with the idea that “working class” means not college educated, working in a “heavy” job like manufacturing or construction.

    I am seeing that this is very similar to a hard core attitude of many British people. There is a distinction between working class and middle class. Working class is defined by manual labor and minimal education. And so a pharmacist or lawyer is resented as not being working class. This is sad because it quickly becomes self-defeating.

    In the US young people, especially men, with only a high school education are more likely to vote Republican, without regard to their income. These people may be less likely to have student loans, so the GOP may try to stoke resentment.

  84. 84.

    germy shoemangler

    August 28, 2022 at 8:50 am

    @Steeplejack:

    “this edible is malarkey…..”

  85. 85.

    Suzanne

    August 28, 2022 at 8:53 am

    @Barbara:

    It is very unfortunate that the press perpetuates this view when it opines on “working class voters,” by which it almost always means white men working in mining and manufacturing, and maybe construction trades — the latter being the only category that has not diminished greatly over the last two decades. 

    Right?! Like apparently they cannot see hair stylists and child care workers and hotel maids and hospital cleaning staff and department store sales staff. It mystifies me.

  86. 86.

    Suzanne

    August 28, 2022 at 8:55 am

    @Brachiator:

    the GOP may try to stoke resentment

    Shocked face!

  87. 87.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 28, 2022 at 8:57 am

    @Baud: ​
     

    If you’re saying something like “whoa, Biden really changed,” you’re not saying what you should say: “I was wrong. I don’t know shit about politics.”

    Well, something about him sure changed since he helped push through the abominable Bankruptcy ‘Reform’ Act of 2005.

    Someone would have to do some serious convincing to convince me that the Joe Biden of 2005 and the Joe Biden of 2022 are coming from basically the same place, because that makes no fucking sense at all. Would love to hear how Dana Houle argues that they’re consistent.

  88. 88.

    Soprano2

    August 28, 2022 at 8:58 am

    @Suzanne: They used to call those “pink collar jobs”, and they were taken much less seriously than the “physically hard” blue collar jobs. Those were seen as easier, more “cushy ” jobs not deserving of the blue collar moniker because they were mostly done indoors by women and gay men. I think that’s how a lot of the press and conservatives still think of them. Look at how Cruz felt comfortable sneering at baristas!

  89. 89.

    MagdaInBlack

    August 28, 2022 at 8:58 am

    @Suzanne: oh they see them/us……as the servant class, and so unworthy of notice or respect.

  90. 90.

    prostratedragon

    August 28, 2022 at 8:59 am

    @Suzanne:  One argument against the notion of the criminal mastermind.

  91. 91.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 28, 2022 at 9:00 am

    @Soprano2: ​Now they’re done by “heroes”.

  92. 92.

    Anne Laurie

    August 28, 2022 at 9:00 am

    @Ken: I also like that Jort-Michel Connard tweet, but I thought Jort was a cat?

    Jorts are ‘jean shorts’ (aka ‘cutoffs’); the cat of the famous twitter feed was named Jorts because he was adopted to keep office cat Jean company.

    The human with the twitter feed was originally ‘Jean-Michael Connard’, but he liked Jorts-the-union-cat’s twitter feed so much he changed his own nym in solidarity.

    All the best humor is — IMO — let’s call it orthogonal.

  93. 93.

    satby

    August 28, 2022 at 9:00 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I block all promoted posts and all advertising posts. It teaches the algorithm not to prioritize those on your feed (you’ll still get some occasionally) and cleans it up nicely.

  94. 94.

    delphinium

    August 28, 2022 at 9:01 am

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    He knows that if the GOP takes the House and Senate, the Republicans will make all his problems go away, because they don’t give a shit about treason.

    Precisely this-keep delaying things in hopes someone or something will save his sorry ass.

  95. 95.

    germy shoemangler

    August 28, 2022 at 9:01 am

    The last 24 hours of this app has just been people posting stuff like, "Let me get this straight: the urinal cleaners of my community owe hipsters $10,000 now?" and then a reply that says, "This you?" and it's a PPP loan receipt for their podcast Reassessing Franco.

    — Michael Arria (@michaelarria) August 25, 2022

  96. 96.

    prostratedragon

    August 28, 2022 at 9:01 am

    @mrmoshpotato:  Fred was, but tfg has been out of his control for decades now.

  97. 97.

    Brachiator

    August 28, 2022 at 9:02 am

    @lowtechcyclist:

    Anyone on the left who’s still disappointed with Biden wouldn’t have been satisfied if he’d walked on water while turning it into wine.

    Yeah. I generally ignore these people,  but whenever I run across some comments or a YouTube clip, I see that they keep falling back to their standard “Republicans, Democrats, no difference” nonsense. Worse, I note that the worst of them ignore women’s reproductive rights because it is not part of their reductive focus on making a fetish of the working class.

     

  98. 98.

    artem1s

    August 28, 2022 at 9:06 am

    @Suzanne:

    . I don’t understand why he wants to do it again.

    Private plane and helicopter. Unlimited personal security, wait staff and executive staff. All paid for by either the GOP or the taxpayers. Not to mention the non-stop grifting and graft opportunities. He was pretty much living the same miserable life he always had, only someone else was footing the bill.

  99. 99.

    Mokum

    August 28, 2022 at 9:06 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:” three people and a Belgian woman died in the car crash” is a classic in this area.

  100. 100.

    Brachiator

    August 28, 2022 at 9:12 am

    @Geminid:

    Have you tried advil pm or an equivalent? It includes an antihistamine to calm brain activity. They work for me, but everyone is different when it comes to sleeping.

    Just regular extra strength Acetaminophen. It does help a little bit.

  101. 101.

    satby

    August 28, 2022 at 9:13 am

    @lowtechcyclist: his constituents in 2005 were based in Delaware (banks) and there was a not insignificant amount of people running up huge student loans they had no intention of paying back and then filing for bankruptcy to evade them. I remember a lot of medical school graduates were prime offenders. Joe was repping his constituents then, and now his constituents are the entire nation. It’s perfectly consistent. Plus, we gain wisdom as we age, if we’re the right kind of people, and Joe clearly is.

  102. 102.

    David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 28, 2022 at 9:15 am

    BernieBros are mad at Biden for making people’s lives better by canceling $20,000 of student loans because it denies them the ability to say Biden betrayed them.

    How sick.

  103. 103.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 28, 2022 at 9:16 am

    @sab: ​
     

    Those promoted tweets are Twitters way of protecting you from being too much in your own only people who think like you bubble.

    My in-laws suffice, even though I only see them a few times a year.

  104. 104.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 28, 2022 at 9:21 am

    @Brachiator: ​
     

    Worse, I note that the worst of them ignore women’s reproductive rights because it is not part of their reductive focus on making a fetish of the working class.

    And even taking that into account, the Dems at least tried to get a minimum wage hike through Congress last year. (And with a few more Senators and holding the House, they’ll probably do it next year.) I’ve been paying attention to politics since the 1960s and I can’t remember a single instance of the GOP trying to raise the minimum wage. It’s always been the Dems.

  105. 105.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    August 28, 2022 at 9:23 am

    @Suzanne: Those people are women. They’re undoubtedly working for pin money. /

  106. 106.

    germy shoemangler

    August 28, 2022 at 9:24 am

    @artem1s:

    Also, Obama had two terms.

    There’s no way FPOTUS will be satisfied until he can have two terms, too.  Otherwise he was “beaten by the black guy”

  107. 107.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    August 28, 2022 at 9:25 am

    @satby: One of the most egregious things about the current student loan standards is that you can’t clear them through bankruptcy. That needs to be changed.

  108. 108.

    MisterDancer

    August 28, 2022 at 9:26 am

    @satby: Thank you!

    Joe has changed. He’s said his view on Race changed a lot, working with Obama. He got another dose — the dose he says compelled him to run this term — with Charlottesville, which he’s said he never believed could happen in America, but did.

    Biden has always been a flawed vessel, but one with good intentions. I recall my Dad defending Biden’s School Busing approach back when Harris attacked him for it; he pointed out that politically it was a very different time, and a lot of the best solutions the Black community had did look a lot like what Biden was supporting — back then. And my Dad said this as a Harris supporter, at the time!

    I know it’s Standard Operating Procedures to crap on any literally old pol, but a number of them did get into this to make things better, not just to line their pockets. And Joe, in my estimation, is one of them — even when I personally disagree with his approach.

  109. 109.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    August 28, 2022 at 9:27 am

    @MisterDancer: You learn better, you do better.

  110. 110.

    David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 28, 2022 at 9:28 am

    Shitstain Jonathan Turley went on Fox and conceded Dump didn’t respond to repeated government requests for documents but says that doesn’t mean he was “uncooperative”.

    If Dump went into a bank and waved a gun and said “give me all the money”, Turley would say that wasn’t a robbery but a loan application.

  111. 111.

    geg6

    August 28, 2022 at 9:30 am

    @MisterDancer:

    Yes, this.

  112. 112.

    Geminid

    August 28, 2022 at 9:31 am

    @David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: Some of that set are saying Biden’s initiative was a good one (although they give their own “activists” the credit). I’m speaking here of Justice Democrats spokesman Walid Shaheed and a lefty journal I call Common Screams. They say they will keep fighting for more extensive relief.

    For others, it’s on to “abolish medical debt!” That isn’t neccesarily a bad idea on its merits, but for many of these people it’s just another club to beat Democrats with.

  113. 113.

    Jager

    August 28, 2022 at 9:31 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Osteoarthritis, neck, and both shoulders, I sleep for 90 to 120 minutes at a time. I’m at the point that the shoulder I’m not sleeping on hurts like hell. I just started doing some pool exercises, hope they help, because I’m sick of this shit.

  114. 114.

    Soprano2

    August 28, 2022 at 9:32 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: At my first job after college the general manager was open about paying men more than women because men were supporting a family while women were working for “extra money” (yeah I was single and supporting myself), plus why promote a woman when she’ll just have a baby and quit? 🙄🙄🙄 He told a woman who interviewed for the newly-created job of safety coordinator that she was the most qualified but he was reluctant to give her the job because the men in the plant wouldn’t listen to her! This was in 1987. She got the job anyway.

  115. 115.

    David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 28, 2022 at 9:35 am

    Dump doesn’t want to run again as it prevents him from playing golf all day and from “drinking” with Russian hookers.  But he panicked after the devastating 1/6 hearings and mistakenly believes running will prevent DOJ from indicting him for the coup.  Then the search happened.   He’s no longer acting like someone who thinks he has a get out of jail free card.

  116. 116.

    geg6

    August 28, 2022 at 9:38 am

    @Soprano2:

    I had this problem when I started in higher ed in the early 1990s.  Single, no kids and female.  During an annual evaluation, my boss told me I didn’t need a raise because my boyfriend made good money.

  117. 117.

    germy shoemangler

    August 28, 2022 at 9:38 am

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but Trump is now under investigation for tax fraud, election fraud, insurrection and violating the Espionage Act. And he's the Republican frontrunner for 2024

    — David Lazarus (@Davidlaz) August 27, 2022

  118. 118.

    Jager

    August 28, 2022 at 9:39 am

    @Soprano2:

    When I was in school, I had a bunch of different jobs, construction, etc. The hardest job was working in the back kitchen of a busy restaurant. When I read Bourdain’s first book, I broke out in a sweat.

  119. 119.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 28, 2022 at 9:39 am

    @satby: ​
     

    @lowtechcyclist: his constituents in 2005 were based in Delaware (banks) and there was a not insignificant amount of people running up huge student loans they had no intention of paying back and then filing for bankruptcy to evade them. I remember a lot of medical school graduates were prime offenders. Joe was repping his constituents then, and now his constituents are the entire nation. It’s perfectly consistent.

    So if his constituents had been 60% MAGAts, he’d have been a fascist? I have deep problems with that kind of consistency.

    Also, limiting the extent to which student loans were dischargeable in bankruptcy was about 1% of that bill. There’s stuff in there that basically amounts to indentured servitude. Defending that bill on the basis of student loans is like defending Mussolini because he made the trains run on time.

    Plus, we gain wisdom as we age, if we’re the right kind of people, and Joe clearly is.

    Wait, that’s my point. He’s gained wisdom, and as a result he’s no longer the sort of person who’d try to pass an abomination like that.

    Also, speaking from personal experience, the extent to which we are ‘good people’ can change substantially over time. Biden’s ‘good people’ now, but I don’t think that demonstrates that he was ‘good people’ in 2005.

  120. 120.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 28, 2022 at 9:40 am

    @Jager: I was recently diagnosed with osteoarthritis in my lower back, going to PT for it. I have hope that it will help but not much. I’ve got bone spurs on 5 of the 7 cervical vertebrate (maybe all of them now, that was 16 years ago) My neck likes to snap, crackle, and pop. Fortunately, no real pain with them now, just stiffness.

  121. 121.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 28, 2022 at 9:43 am

    @germy shoemangler: ​He forgot obstruction.

  122. 122.

    MinuteMan

    August 28, 2022 at 9:45 am

    Senator Ron Johnson wants Social Security and Medicare on the chopping block every year.

    And of course the GQP would never use that as an opportunity to take hostages—the recurring debt ceiling and budget crises are totally different.

  123. 123.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 28, 2022 at 9:46 am

    @Geminid: ​
      Hopefully Biden will move on to canceling gambling debts (asking for a friend)

  124. 124.

    Steeplejack

    August 28, 2022 at 9:49 am

    @germy shoemangler:

    Also . . .

  125. 125.

    RSA

    August 28, 2022 at 9:51 am

    @germy shoemangler:

    “Let me get this straight: the urinal cleaners of my community owe hipsters $10,000 now?”

    Not to mention that the share of federal income tax paid by individuals making $50,000 or less amounts to about 7%.  There’s some wealth transfer, sure, but there are much bigger and more egregious targets people might focus on.

  126. 126.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 28, 2022 at 9:52 am

    @germy shoemangler: ​
      Looks like DeathSantis is going to have to step up his crime spree if he wants to win Iowa.

  127. 127.

    germy shoemangler

    August 28, 2022 at 9:53 am

    You entitled Millenials getting your student loans back is an insult to the people that maintain my garden and horses

    — Haus of Decline (@hausofdecline) August 27, 2022

  128. 128.

    Mimi

    August 28, 2022 at 9:54 am

    I just want Trump to go away. Run to Putin and get disappeared to Siberia; run over by whatshisname, you know Ivana’s youngest; stroke out on the golf course.  Whatever, as long as he’s gone.

  129. 129.

    Steeplejack

    August 28, 2022 at 9:54 am

    @Suzanne:

    We live in a service economy now. Someone pointed out a while back that there are more people working just at Arby’s than there are coal miners in this country. But they’re not manly men with soot-stained faces.

  130. 130.

    Jager

    August 28, 2022 at 9:55 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Low weight-high rep exercises help with my shoulders, my neck started with a pinched nerve from a skiing mishap, a 30 mph faceplant on a beautiful Colorado day. My neck snaps and pops are so loud, when we were flying to Hawaii last week, I did some neck rolls and the guy across the aisle looked at me and said, “Jesus”…well, maybe not that loud, but …

  131. 131.

    zhena gogolia

    August 28, 2022 at 9:55 am

    @Steeplejack: I love that!

  132. 132.

    JPL

    August 28, 2022 at 10:00 am

    @germy shoemangler: That’s the republican party.

  133. 133.

    zhena gogolia

    August 28, 2022 at 10:01 am

    Made the mistake of glancing through the opinion section of the NYT. Rich Lowry, “What If the FBI Were Investigating a Democrat?”

    Fuck you, Rich. Did you sleep through 2016 or something?

  134. 134.

    Brachiator

    August 28, 2022 at 10:02 am

    @lowtechcyclist:

    And even taking that into account, the Dems at least tried to get a minimum wage hike through Congress last year. (And with a few more Senators and holding the House, they’ll probably do it next year.)

    Biden and, to be fair some progressive Democrats, were not just stuck on minimum wage or bust. It still annoys me that some Democrats forget or don’t know that Biden’s American Rescue Plan enhanced the Earned Income Tax Credit and other tax credits that helped lower income people. Manchin, of course, helped kill an extension of these credits after 2021. But without the 2021 enhancement of the EITC, many lower income working people would have been worse off. Biden wisely did not focus on a single tax policy idea.

    I’ve been paying attention to politics since the 1960s and I can’t remember a single instance of the GOP trying to raise the minimum wage. It’s always been the Dems.

    Republicans tend to be against any minimum wage. They believe that market forces magically set wages.

  135. 135.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 28, 2022 at 10:04 am

    @MisterDancer: Same goes for Hillary.  The more I’ve listened to and read people who have worked with her it becomes clear that she is a fundamentally decent person who is always willing to learn and evolve.  That, to me, is even more important than where a pol stands on a particular issue right now!  It’s what I want from public servants.  And much better than the attitude that they are always right and can never evolve their understanding/stance or admit they were wrong.

  136. 136.

    germy shoemangler

    August 28, 2022 at 10:05 am

    @zhena gogolia:

    Every one of Sulzberger’s headlines should simply say “Please don’t vote for Democrats – I don’t want my taxes raised”

    Bezos, too.

  137. 137.

    Kristine

    August 28, 2022 at 10:07 am

    @germy shoemangler: If I were Cruz, I would be very careful where I bought my next cup of coffee.

    Maybe have a staffer pick it up.

  138. 138.

    germy shoemangler

    August 28, 2022 at 10:08 am

    @Kristine:

    “Name?”

    “Uh… Beto O’Rourke”

  139. 139.

    satby

    August 28, 2022 at 10:13 am

    @lowtechcyclist: So if his constituents had been 60% MAGAts, he’d have been a fascist? I have deep problems with that kind of consistency.

     

    🔥🔥🔥< your straw man is on fire.

  140. 140.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 28, 2022 at 10:22 am

    @zhena gogolia: I don’t remember even one Democrat advocating political violence against law enforcement because as a result of the FBI’s investigation of Hillary.

  141. 141.

    NorthLeft

    August 28, 2022 at 10:23 am

    It’s unfortunate that Mulvaney is only getting pushback from the right. CBS should have him explain WTF he actually meant to say in that idiotic tweet.

    While they are at it point out the stupidity of John Yoo’s idea to just dump all the documents to the public and let uninformed ignoramuses decide if these documents are important/classified. They should also highlight Yoo’s employment by UCal every time they call his idea stupid and finish with the observation that UCal seems to believe that a person as stupid, amoral, and biased as John Yoo is qualified to teach law.

  142. 142.

    zhena gogolia

    August 28, 2022 at 10:24 am

    @UncleEbeneezer: Me either.

  143. 143.

    opiejeanne

    August 28, 2022 at 10:27 am

    @David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:  My niece just told me that all of her student loans will be paid off by this forgiveness. She owes $15k and has 2 Pell grants.

  144. 144.

    sdhays

    August 28, 2022 at 10:28 am

    @Brachiator: Newt Gingrich even criticized child labor laws.

  145. 145.

    germy shoemangler

    August 28, 2022 at 10:29 am

    COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — When Democratic U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan spoke out against President Joe Biden’s student loan forgiveness plan this week, it marked a departure from both his past statements on the issue and some of his votes.

    The decision to go against a same-party president comes as Ryan tries to parlay his hometown credentials in Ohio’s working-class Mahoning Valley into the support he needs from Republicans and independents to defeat Republican JD Vance in this fall’s closely watched race for U.S. Senate.

    Ryan on Wednesday joined Republicans and a handful of fellow Democrats in criticizing the president’s executive order to erase federal student loan debt for certain borrowers as unnecessary for some people and unfair to others. The plan forgives $10,000 in federal student loan debt for those with incomes below $125,000 a year, or households that earn less than $250,000, and cancels an additional $10,000 for those who received federal Pell Grants to attend college.

  146. 146.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 28, 2022 at 10:32 am

    @germy shoemangler: Moron.

  147. 147.

    sdhays

    August 28, 2022 at 10:33 am

    Not counting any chickens yet, but now that the conventional wisdom is a lot more pessimistic about Republicans’ chances in November, perhaps the media hiring spree of Republicans so as to “be prepared” for 2023 seems premature now, no? I wonder if those people they hired, like Mulvaney, will be let go if Democrats hold both the House and Senate.

    LOL, of course they won’t. It was always a bullshit excuse to inject more Republican bias into the “mainstream”.

  148. 148.

    Baud

    August 28, 2022 at 10:34 am

    @lowtechcyclist:

    Well, something about him sure changed since he helped push through the abominable Bankruptcy ‘Reform’ Act of 2005

     
    I’m pretty sure most of the Biden Has Changed memes are looking at a two year time scale.

  149. 149.

    Danielx

    August 28, 2022 at 10:38 am

    @Suzanne:

    Well, for starters he wants to avoid being prosecuted. Then there’s being the center of attention, the guy to whom everybody has to pay attention. He likes the trappings and the perks, he doesn’t give a fiddler’s fuck about actually doing the job except for how he personally can benefit.

  150. 150.

    zhena gogolia

    August 28, 2022 at 10:39 am

    @Gin & Tonic: Indeed.

    Thanks for the explainer on Slava Ukraini! I agree that it is a totally different phrase from Slava Ukrainy.

  151. 151.

    Elizabelle

    August 28, 2022 at 10:44 am

    @germy shoemangler:   It’s Ohio.

    A crabs in a bucket state.  Like its neighbors, West Virginia.  And Indiana.

    Those swollen up people who get university educations … move right out of your community, perhaps.  Who benefits from that?

    Sad.  (FWIW, my parents’ families all hail from Indiana.  I remember attending a family reunion, decades ago.  The smartest young cousins.  Were working and living in Ohio.)

  152. 152.

    Elizabelle

    August 28, 2022 at 10:46 am

    @germy shoemangler:  

    Every one of Sulzberger’s headlines should simply say “Please don’t vote for Democrats – I don’t want my taxes raised”

    Bezos, too.

    Democracy dies in darkness tax avoidance by the owners.

    And fuck the fucking Sulzbergers. And their pinhead tool executive editors.

  153. 153.

    Elizabelle

    August 28, 2022 at 10:48 am

    @zhena gogolia:  That piece by Lowry is many days old by now.

    And, if you want to cheer yourself, click on the reader responses.

    They pillory the asshole.

  154. 154.

    zhena gogolia

    August 28, 2022 at 11:05 am

    @Elizabelle: I’m very tied to the paper paper!

  155. 155.

    Uncle Cosmo

    August 28, 2022 at 11:14 am

    @satby: Merci beaucoup, vielen Dank, diky moc, köszönöm szépen, ευχαριστώ πολύ, дуже тобі дякую – you saved me the trouble of pointing out these very simple and straightforward facts to those too young, distracted, or willfully obtuse to understand US political history.

  156. 156.

    Elizabelle

    August 28, 2022 at 11:16 am

    @zhena gogolia: Ah.  I just have a digital sub.

    And could not stand the FTFNYTimes at all if I couldn’t see that most of its readers push back against the bullshit and trial balloons it often floats.  Makes it more bearable.

  157. 157.

    O. Felix Culpa

    August 28, 2022 at 11:19 am

    @Elizabelle: Does the pushback have any effect? Or is this just part of their “engagement” business model, which allows them to continue setting the official MSM narrative for the nation whilst allowing the misguided minions to fruitlessly blow off steam in the comments?

  158. 158.

    sab

    August 28, 2022 at 11:31 am

    @Elizabelle: Now those young Ohioans are either in Chicago or California.

  159. 159.

    Elizabelle

    August 28, 2022 at 11:32 am

    @O. Felix Culpa:   Good point.  I wonder about that one, myself.

    It’s occurred to me that the readers comments are an escape valve.  Otherwise, you really would cancel your sub.

  160. 160.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 28, 2022 at 11:32 am

    @Gin & Tonic:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Thanks for the explainer on Slava Ukraini! I agree that it is a totally different phrase from Slava Ukrainy.

    I must have missed that! Was it in a recent thread?

  161. 161.

    zhena gogolia

    August 28, 2022 at 11:37 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: It was in Wednesday’s Ukraine thread. (Aug. 24

    Really should be front-paged.

  162. 162.

    WaterGirl

    August 28, 2022 at 12:00 pm

    @geg6: Holy shit, did you take that to HR?

  163. 163.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 28, 2022 at 12:25 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Thanks!

  164. 164.

    Citizen Alan

    August 28, 2022 at 12:28 pm

    @germy shoemangler:  They really do have nothing to offer except hate, don’t they. And it is very telling, I think, that while painting a word picture of the person who his audience wants to hate the most, he vomits out what what sounds to me like a caricature of AOC.

  165. 165.

    Another Scott

    August 28, 2022 at 12:34 pm

    @MisterDancer: Someone said a while ago that Biden has always been in the center of the Democratic party at the time.  As the center moves, he moves.

    I think that’s a wise take.

    Not that I don’t wish that he would move faster on some things, but he has learned the lesson very well that “politics is the art of the possible”.

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  166. 166.

    Another Scott

    August 28, 2022 at 12:38 pm

    @Steeplejack: [ snort! ]

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  167. 167.

    Another Scott

    August 28, 2022 at 12:42 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Hillary.

    He’s not stupid – he thinks his people won’t bother to remember. It’s always projection with these dolts.

    Grr…,
    Scott.

  168. 168.

    Kent

    August 28, 2022 at 12:44 pm

    @Baud:

    @Suzanne:

    Being president is terrible for people who take the work seriously.

    Exactly.  But if your entire purpose is grift then the White House is a better  place to conduct business than Mar a Lago.

  169. 169.

    Another Scott

    August 28, 2022 at 12:48 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa: Bobo (IIRC) remarked dismissively that he never reads comments about his column.  I assume the rest of them (except good guys like Krugman – he once replied to an e-mail I sent him) don’t either.

    We’re not their audience.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  170. 170.

    swordfish

    August 28, 2022 at 1:37 pm

    Just wanted to stop by to thank Anne Laurie for the helmet video.  My brother died when he rode his motorcycle around a curve in Arizona’s White Mountains and ran into an elk who was standing there.  He wasn’t wearing a helmet – he never did – and received a massive head injury when his head hit the road.  He had been riding for about 20 years, so he was no amateur.  But roads are harder than heads.  I miss him still.

  171. 171.

    Betsy

    August 28, 2022 at 1:54 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: Try this.  YouTube, search for a 45-minute video called “Rainday Antiques.”  I don’t even know what’s in the little antique store, because I never make it more than 3-4 minutes in.

  172. 172.

    WaterGirl

    August 28, 2022 at 1:59 pm

    @swordfish: There’s no way to prepare for what’s around a curve, is there.   What a terrible loss.

    I’m so sorry.

  173. 173.

    Citizen Alan

    August 28, 2022 at 3:14 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:  Even a relaxing of the Brunner test would be a big deal.  At present, to get a bankruptcy judge to sign off on a discharge of student loans, you essentially have to be injured to the point of permanent disability, and even then it’s hard.

  174. 174.

    Citizen Alan

    August 28, 2022 at 3:19 pm

    @lowtechcyclist:  If Delaware were 60% maga, Biden wouldn’t have gotten elected in the 1st place. And as a bankruptcy attorney with 15 years of experience and an LLM, I should like very much to know which part of BAPCPA you think imposed indentured servitude.

  175. 175.

    eclare

    August 28, 2022 at 3:30 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:   One of my favorite mottos.  Another is evolve or die.

  176. 176.

    Citizen Alan

    August 28, 2022 at 3:43 pm

    @geg6:

    I attribute the fact that I was raised in a solidly middle class household and that my sister and I were the first people in our extended family to go to college (and the only people until the last 15 years to do so) in large part to the fact that my mother got a job at Bell South doing electrical work that had previously been reserved for men.  Luckily, just a few years before I was born, AT&T got sued for sex discrimination, and as part of the consent decree had to open all those jobs up to women.  My mother was in the very 1st group of women in Mississippi to ever be allowed to hold that high paying Union job.  All six of my aunts in her age group group were stay-at-home mothers whose familys struggled financially for decades. None of their children ever went to college and only some of their grandchildren did.

  177. 177.

    eclare

    August 28, 2022 at 3:50 pm

    @Citizen Alan:   Very impressive.

  178. 178.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    August 28, 2022 at 3:55 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: Trump’s mother became very ill and was basically absent from childcare when he was about  2-3 years old.  Fred didn’t hire any replacement, so Donald was emotionally neglected and abused at a crucial development stage (as well as most of the rest of his childhood).  Not to excuse this vicious shitstain, but to explain a bit about the childhood trauma he (and the rest of his siblings) experienced

    ETA: TL:DR Yes. Fred was a monstrous father. And his mother was very distant when she was even present.

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