President Biden receives a standing ovation after calling out Republicans over 1/6 response:
“Don’t tell me you support law enforcement if you won’t condemn what happened on the 6th … You can’t be pro-law enforcement and pro-insurrection … What are we teaching our children?” pic.twitter.com/wYEDkquasW
— The Recount (@therecount) August 30, 2022
He gave his pro-rule-of-law speech before last night’s big news, and now the media has a whole day to lose its tiny collective mind before his prime-time speech on ‘the soul of America’ tomorrow…
Every single Republican member of Congress voted against the support for law enforcement in the American Rescue Plan. Every single one.
— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) August 31, 2022
You can’t claim to be for law and order and call the people who attacked the police on January 6th “patriots.”
— President Biden (@POTUS) August 30, 2022
cons keep thinking they're gonna own biden with this stuff but in reality they're setting themselves up for corn pop round 2. black voters love this dude. https://t.co/YYJBxoebzB
— atticus goldfinch (@AtticusGF) August 31, 2022
you can get away with a fair amount if people are pretty sure you don't hate them https://t.co/RpqVvK5UXN
— Andreas Schou (@revhowardarson) August 31, 2022
kind of an amazing self-own if you think about it.
black people know they often live in shit neighborhoods, morons. their stance and the democratic stance is (correctly) that they have centuries of systematic oppression working against them.
you absolute morons
— atticus goldfinch (@AtticusGF) August 31, 2022
Dark Brandon is definitely real https://t.co/FxR9cvb7wX
— Yakov Feygin ?????????? (@BuddyYakov) August 31, 2022
Biden: It's semi-fascism
Trump: It's late August 2022 and I demand to either be declared president or have an immediate 2020 election do-over before the FBI gangsters charge me
Assorted pundits: My goodness, I can't believe Biden went there. A very divisive rhetorical choice
— Adam Weinstein (@AdamWeinstein) August 30, 2022
People have asked me my opinion of President Biden's criticism of "semi-fascism." Well, I can't overstate my disapproval of the inappropriate use of "semi."
— Mike Godwin (@sfmnemonic) August 28, 2022
You just have to laugh at these people. Sure, the black Muslim and the scary lady were antichrists trying to genocide the right, we get it. But they try the same thing with Joe Biden and everyone just cracks up. This one's desperately trying not to grin behind the tweet. https://t.co/Onor16UqVT
— I, Fred, will knock you all down!! (@LesserFrederick) August 31, 2022
germy shoemangler
germy shoemangler
Baud
@germy shoemangler:
Mississippi will never recover as long as white Mississippians cling to the Republican party.
Gin & Tonic
Three drunk russian soldiers in a bar in Kherson. FSB agents reprimand them for drinking in uniform, so the soldiers start firing their AK’s.
Final score, FSB 3-0.
True story.
Baud
@Gin & Tonic:
The shootings will continue until morale improves.
Chief Oshkosh
@Baud: White Mississippi is doing just fine. In fact, their bidness model is working out great. They keep taxes low on the middle and upper class whites, never tend to infrastructure. When it starts to fail, it always starts in poor black communities. Then the white rulers demand or whine for federal dollars to fix it. They then update white infrastructure to perfectly modern levels. When the first round of money is gone, they beg for more to fix the black communities, claiming that those communities couldn’t manage the first round of money properly. They then use these funds as a cudgel to further strip rights from the black communities, and maybe half-ass fix the original infrastructure problem.
So no, whites don’t need to de-embrace the Republican Party in Mississippi. They’re doing just fine.
Andrew Abshier
@Chief Oshkosh: I saw those stark differences when I lived in Gulfport. It was clearly nicer on the waterfront and the white neighborhoods. The predominantly black areas were disastrous.
BTW I worked for Marine Life Aquarium when I was living there. The owner of the aquarium invited staff to his big waterfront house for a party, but didn’t want us to enter through his front door (?). Staff was predominantly white, but even then Mr. Jacobs was imposing a class system. I refused to attend under those terms.
Baud
@Chief Oshkosh:
I’m sure white Mississippi is doing better than black Mississippi. I don’t know how well white Mississippi is doing compared to white people nationally.
Not that I expect anything to change anytime soon.
Matt McIrvin
In the run-up to 2020, in the aftermath of all the unrest over police brutality of the previous several years, there was a lot of concern that Biden’s support of the draconian crime law that contributed to so much mass incarceration and militarized policing back in the 90s would hurt him. But I remember those days and at the time, that bill had a lot of African-American support, because those neighborhoods were hurting and the people in them wanted something to be done. It might not have been the right action.
You can acknowledge the reality without insisting that the cause was some inherent pathology of Black people or Black culture.
WereBear
When I heard the African-Americans in South Carolina were behind Biden, I said to myself, “They know far more about fighting fascism than I. Will listen.”
And I don’t know who first realized “set an old white guy to catch an old white guy” but in this case, it worked.
It turns out their weapons are useless when the target is coded as one of their own!
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
“It’s not fair that only black people get to use the N-word.”
Modified to apply to Biden.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone😊😊😊
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
rikyrah
@Baud:
Uh huh😒😒😒
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: Mississippi will never recover as long as white Mississippians cling to pre Civil War ideals.
FTFY.
germy shoemangler
“How it feels to be a white conservative woman”
Matt McIrvin
@germy shoemangler: I’ll believe that when I see it happen.
Baud
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: Haysoos F’n Chrispo, arrest and charge a 7 yr old for playing with guns while letting the responsible parties skate. What a f’n country we live in.
Suzanne
The other thing that kills me about the GOP’s race rhetoric is that they never seem to call out white people for their pathological behavior. There are tons of white people and white communities who go criming, get hooked on drugs, don’t do well in school, don’t get or stay married when they have kids, can’t stay employed, spend money on guns, etc etc etc. All that same shit that is evidence of social pathology. The GOP is thrilled to criticize minorities for it, but when white people engage in the exact same behavior…..crickets.
The dude who broke into my house naked? A low-potential criming drug-using white dude.
Chief Oshkosh
@Baud:
The whites that “matter” are doing very, very well. The poor whites? Well, as LBJ said (sorry Raven): “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”
As others have written in posts upstairs, the inequalities along racial lines are staggering. And in my limited work experience there, LBJ was spot on.
germy shoemangler
germy shoemangler
@Matt McIrvin:
I think this was his prediction HRC would beat him in the general election.
I believed the same thing at the time. I laughed when he got the nomination.
germy shoemangler
Matt McIrvin
@Suzanne: Well… the pundits can do it, to some extent, as long as they’re punching down at the poorest white people. Charles Murray’s big followup to The Bell Curve was a book about how welfare was turning poor white people into lazy criminals. J. D. Vance made his reputation on a book about how his family back in the holler were a bunch of pathological losers. Of course they always blame the government for coddling them and demand tough love.
Matt McIrvin
@germy shoemangler: You know what has an UNBELIEVABLE range, though? My hybrid car. Close to 600 miles on a tank. Obviously the conservatives with long commutes should all get hybrids.
Chief Oshkosh
@Suzanne:
Suzanne, are you the documentarian that visited my last family reunion?
;)
mrmoshpotato
@germy shoemangler: I see Erick Erickson is still a dumbass.
germy shoemangler
Geminid
@Baud: Those parents would likely be charged if they were in Virginia. One of the six gun safety laws passed in 2020 made leaving an unsecured firearm in a home where minors are present a Class One misdemeanor with a sentence to up to a year in jail.
Republicans retook the lower House of Delegates last year and tried to repeal several of the new gun safety laws (the Democratic Senate majority blocked them). Republicans did not try to repeal the law regarding unsecured firearms, though.
germy shoemangler
@Matt McIrvin:
You’re happy stomping all over their talking points??
gene108
@Baud:
I think around 90% of white people in MS vote Republican.
They just need a bit of withdrawal to like 60% or 70% support for Republicans, and MS should be a lot more competitive given the state’s large AA population.
different-church-lady
@germy shoemangler:
His job is to tell the world his shitty thoughts! You can do that from nearly anywhere nowadays!
rikyrah
My mother was born and raised in Mississippi. Small Town between Jackson and Vicksburg.
Jim Crow Mississippi.
I had to go there three times a year until I went to college.
Absolutely hate the State.
There are three of us. My middle sister and I hate it, and when our last close relative died, vowed never to return. We have kept that promise.
My oldest sister still goes every year.
My mother loved it. Because, it was home.
If you are Black AND EDUCATED, and can deal with Mississippi, you can live VERY WELL.
The key is being Black and EDUCATED.
Because of family, I have been around the entire state. From Tunica to Gulfport and Biloxi.
Had numerous family reunions there.
Go this city…that one..nope, all Mississippi
Hate it all
OzarkHillbilly
@germy shoemangler:
IF that is true, and that is a big IF, it’s his own damn fault. He drove 421 miles to some place Saturday, and drove back Sunday? For what? Giving him Friday or Monday or both for an extended wkend, that is still a drive he chose to make of his own free will and I’m pretty damned certain it was for personal business, not work related.
Quit yer whining mf’er.
Matt McIrvin
@germy shoemangler: Ecstatic.
(I looked it up–actually the monster conventional pickups with shitty gas mileage are competitive with hybrids on range because they have options for truly colossal fuel tanks. You’re gonna pay a lot at the pump, though…)
Baud
@gene108:
10% of white Mississippians are awesome.
Suzanne
@Matt McIrvin: Oh shit, I see a lot of white people who are Real Sad and think “the government” should help care for/save/provide treatment for their opioid-addicted family members….but then are reaaaaaaal critical of anyone else who receives any sort of support. Including student loan forgiveness.
Honestly, I know none of the politicians want to say it, but part of the reason college should be much less expensive is to incentivize people to go, in part because there is a lot less of this behavior from college grads.
rikyrah
@gene108:
I believe that Mississippi is a voter suppressed State
I think that with strong Black support, a candidate could win with only 20% White support.
Only 20 out of 100.
OzarkHillbilly
@Matt McIrvin: Every time I fill up my tank it’s over $100. I drive it so little tho, I only need to fill it up once a month.
Matt McIrvin
@rikyrah: And yet, getting from 10 to 20 is likely a big ask.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@germy shoemangler:
Their F.B.I. file says when the Monkees “walk down the street, they get the funniest looks from everyone they meet”
Suzanne
@germy shoemangler:
What a dumbfuck.
I have many rebuttals to this, but really, he’s just a dumbfuck.
It’s just a vehicle, not a penis extension.
Matt McIrvin
@Suzanne: Yeah, I suppose that’s the other thing. “MY government aid is the only legitimate government aid.” Like my Medicare, or my abortion.
Similar to the people who insist that the only legitimate function of government is cops, or the military, or space rockets, or whatever specific thing they happen to like, and the rest of the welfare state is a damnable money-suck taking funds away from that one thing.
Matt McIrvin
@Suzanne: Aside from everything else, assuming your personal situation is the only universal norm of humanity that matters is pretty much the standard Republican stance, I suppose.
But even so, he could easily make that two-way commute with many modern electric cars if he has a decent place to plug in every night. There are plenty that can do twice that.
Baud
@Suzanne:
Exactly. Guns are the penis extensions.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I woke up to the DoJ filing on the Mar-a-Lago search. I’m going to go read the previous thread now, but so far, my morning is bright!
mrmoshpotato
@germy shoemangler: 😲 I wanna find out what massive threat The Monkees were to ‘Murica!
mrmoshpotato
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Enjoy ‘Der Furor’ before it too.
germy shoemangler
@mrmoshpotato:
According to the file, they hung out with known troublemakers like John Winston Lennon.
germy shoemangler
It’s sad, really. Because when he wants to return home he has to circle the globe. No way an electric vehicle would be feasible.
Matt McIrvin
@OzarkHillbilly: It does explain why all the Suburbans and Escalades and F150s I see lining up with me at BJ’s take so long at the pump.
JPL
I’m curious how many times Hunter was mentioned on Fox today.
OzarkHillbilly
@Matt McIrvin: Yep. When I was working I always had some thing that got good gas mileage.
different-church-lady
@JPL:
All of them, Katie.
different-church-lady
I’m kinda hoping the most surprising thing of the day is finding out I missed Peter Tork dying.
mrmoshpotato
@different-church-lady: Way to ensure that won’t happen! 😁
opiejeanne
@mrmoshpotato: Probably the same as the lyrics of “Louie Louie”
Geminid
There is an article in Politico today about Alaska’s new voting system titled “Inside the novel voting system that could sink Palin’s comeback bid.” Alaska’s new open primary/ranked choice-runoff system was passed by ballot referendum in 2020, probably on the strength of the state’s Independent vote (they number 57% of registered voters).
In a special election earlier this month, Palin trailed Democrat Mary Peltola on first choices. All ballots in the special election to fill the late Rep. Don Young’s seat will be counted and ranked choices distributed today, so we should know by tonight who will be Alaska’s new Representative.
A primary to fill the seat for the next Congress was held at the same time as the special election and Peltola, Palin, Nick Begich and fourth candidate will advance to the general election this November. So will four Senate candidates including Senator Lisa Murkowski.
The article also describes this fall’s Nevada ballot initiative that would institute a similar system but with the top 5 finishers advancing to a runoff. The initiative is sponsored by an outfit named “Fight for Five,” and the organization’s disparate backers are described. The Nevada measure must pass twice, this year and in 2024, to become law.
For reasons I can’t quite articulate, when I look at Alaska’s system I think, “Interesting, let’s see how this works out,” but when I look at the one proposed for Nevada I think, “That’s too many!”
Citizen Alan
@Baud:
Mississippi will never recover, period. It has been a shit hole since approximately 1866, and it will continue to be a shit hole long after we are dead and buried. This this is because the majority of people who live here would actively prefer to live in a shit hole then in a decent and prosperous society where they had to share the benefits of that prosperity with people they hate.
WaterGirl
@germy shoemangler: Hopefully, it just too longer than he anticipated.
Geminid
This morning’s Politico Playbook leads off with discussion of last night’s DOJ filing. There is also an item about the President’s midterm campaign plans. They include three appearances in Pennsylvania, including one at Pittsburgh’s Labor Day parade this Monday.
WaterGirl
@germy shoemangler:
So it’s your fault!
Soprano2
@germy shoemangler: I don’t think Lindsey knew how right he was when he said that.
MattF
I think the MAGAs bought the ‘Biden is senile/sleepy’ lie & and are now wondering wtf is going on. Comparison with their hero is causing dissonance.
Soprano2
@different-church-lady: I cannot wrap my mind around this, I guess because I don’t live in an area where the price of housing is out of sight. I can’t imagine driving more than 60 miles one way to my job every day!
Citizen Alan
@gene108:
15% of the white vote would turn Mississippi blue for statewide elections. I’m just not sure that’s achievable.
Baud
@WaterGirl:
I think a lot of people laughed, and that caused them to not take Trump seriously, and made them think they had a free shot at Hillary. Not Juicers, but others.
matt
@germy shoemangler: At least now we know what Erickson’s fuckin’ problem is.
Geminid
@MattF: trump’s supporters can get a good picture of his mental fitness this Saturday night. He’s scheduled to appear at a rally in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania at the Mohegan Sun Casino’s convention center, along with Oz and Mastriano.
As it happens, Wilkes-Barre was the site of President Biden’s speech yesterday.
evodevo
@Suzanne:
yes. This. I keep telling Mr Evodevo this – even a couple years of comm college expands minds past the hs levels of thought. Helpful in countering the winger mindset they would otherwise be locked into for life.
Suzanne
@Soprano2:
Eh. If you live in a city where housing prices are that high, there’s certainly public transit options. (Not in richie-rich mountain communities of second homes, but cities.) I have certainly had longer-than-81-mile commutes to jobsites. Or you could, you know, decide to live closer in, but that means your kids might meet a minority or a gay person.
geg6
@Geminid:
Our Labor Day parade is one of the largest, if not the largest (I think it is, but not sure), Labor Day parades in the country. Still a pretty big union town here. Biden, Fetterman and Shapiro will all be here for it.
Baud
@Suzanne:
Moving closer also means less space the the “Fuck Biden” signs.
JPL
@different-church-lady: He lives in Macon, which is a choice. It wasn’t that long ago; Erik and his wife became ill. He atoned for all his sins. When his health returned to normal, he started spouting the same old bull. I’m waiting for the day when he has to atone once more.
jonas
@Suzanne:
Well, that was basically J.D. Vance’s schtick until Thiel dangled a bunch of cash in front of him to get him to go all MAGA. Now all those meth-addled hillbillies are “real Americans” being kept down by snobby coastal elites — you know the ones who went to Yale and work for big venture capital firms. Oh, wait.
Starfish
@Chief Oshkosh: You forget the graft and giving the money to some relation who is a developer who is never going to finish the job
MisterForkbeard
@Suzanne: I drive ti work maaaybe twice a week, but it’s about a 80mi drive. I use an electric car and it takes about 20-25% of my battery each way.
But this would be doable even on a 5 day job. Because you charge overnight. We keep a Hybrid for long trips and that makes it easier, but you can easily make a longer trip in CA with the amount of charging stations.
Kay
Classic moral panic:
I did a paper in law school on the satanic child abuse panic of the 1980s. I recently read an essay exporing the moral panic around the “Frivolous McDonalds Hot Coffee Lawsuit” which was 100% bullshit but did serve far Right interests by protecting corporations from consumer lawsuits.
Every “liberal” or “centrist” who fell for this “woke panic” bullshit should be ashamed. Dopes. Not smart or sophisticated or thinking people.
They’re now on the side of DeSantis and “Libs of Tic Toc” attacking anyone associated with a public school. Just say you’re Right wing Republicans, woke warriers. I don’t want you on my team. You’re morons and actively detrimental to civil rights and progress. Can we pay them to go work on the other side?
WereBear
@MattF: They do have to suppress a lot of cognitive dissonance. I think it comes out in meanness.
We should do it more, Captain Kirk-style.
WereBear
@evodevo: Absolutely. Why Will Bunch’s new book is about the Republican War on education for everyone.
Soprano2
@Kay: I remember the McMartin Preschool freakout, where an innocent man did jail time. I watched the HBO movie about it – just insane, how that happened. Is it fear of societal change that causes these moral panics? It seems to me that these people want to make the world “comfortable” for themselves again – no more openly gay people on TV or in the movies, no open talk about doing something about racism, let’s make it OK to sexually harass women in the workplace again, and so on. They are extremely uncomfortable in today’s world, and I think things like this are a reaction to that.
ETA – on another front, I still listen to Bill Maher’s podcast, and I think it’s strange how this alleged “free speech warrior” still has not said one word about the wave of book bannings that is sweeping the country right now. He manages to mention the “scourge” of “wokeness” on almost every show, but nothing about book bannings. It’s almost as if he really doesn’t care about free speech!!!
Starfish
@rikyrah: it is. The list of permanently disenfranchising felonies is very long. They are closing polling locations. Didn’t bother to do census correctly so they can close more polling places, lose more money, etc
Kay
Here’s the moral panic/McDonalds essay. All moral panics follow a pattern.
Kay
@Soprano2:
It was Right wing backlash to middle class and upper middle class women leaving the home and working. Of course lower class women have always worked outside the home, but they’re not a threat so no one care where their children went.
The idea was to scare the shit out of women who dared to have a child and a career by turning day cares into scary places, exactly like they’re now doing with public schools.
Suzanne
@evodevo: I know that it is hard to say — without appearing to shit one anyone’s lifestyle — but this country would be a better place if everyone who wanted to go to college (and if more people wanted to go) could go….. even if there were no rewards in the labor market. There WOULD be rewards in the labor market, but even if there were not, higher education is still a public good.
Suzanne
@jonas:
Not to mention, once you even scratch the surface of the criming and the guns, it implicates a lot of men. I think I shared that I was going Christmas shopping with Spawn the Younger last year, and we pulled up to a stoplight, and while we were waiting, two men jumped out of their cars and started fighting right there in the street. One grabbed a baseball bat from his trunk. Both were white dudes in their 20s or so. Like, what kind of human garbage do you have to be to get into a fight in public like that?!
Suzanne
@MisterForkbeard: I don’t like commuting, so I wouldn’t call 80 miles each way, five days a week doable…. but you are correct that the limiting factor is not the electric car range.
I have also noticed that there seem to be a lot of people who seem to forget that compact and fuel-efficient cars exist as options, and always have. I remember in PHX having coworkers who had shorter commutes than me complaining about gas prices. I made an idle comment, like, “thank goodness I drive a small car!”, and the reaction was like I had asked them to chop their arms off. Like, implying that it is dumb to drive a huge pickup on a daily commute to an office is apparently emasculating.
Soprano2
@Suzanne: I see that here, too. I noticed we had fewer pickups and more smaller cars in the parking lot as gas prices got over $4.00/gal. We have a supervisor who has one of those small cars – not a Smart car, but something similar. I’m sure all the men were laughing at him behind his back – until they started having to spend over $100/week to fill their tanks! Every time they gripe about gas prices I want to say “No one made you buy a vehicle that gets 8 MPG or less, that was a choice you made”. I’m so old that I remember when almost everyone drove a sedan-type car; pickups were for farmers and people who did construction work, they weren’t considered passenger vehicles. Then someone invented the crew cab, and suddenly pickups were being used like cars.
Another Scott
@Kay: It’s tribal.
Cowboys vs the Packers.
Leno vs Letterman.
Limbaugh vs Mr Rogers.
“I like Rush, listen to him every afternoon. Hasn’t steered me wrong yet, let’s me know what’s going on in the world…”
Where you stand depends on where you sit. If you marinate in stupid, dangerous, polarizing, othering every day, you’re not going to wonder why they cover the things they do the way they do (to build Engagement – like a cult…).
Human are generally social and want to be in a group that gives them the satisfaction of being validated. That feature can be used for good or evil…
Cheers,
Scott.
MisterForkbeard
@Suzanne: Yep. I had lots of friends in high school and college who bought these hugely inefficient cars and constantly complained about fuelling them.
I had a civic. It was a fantastic car. Cheap, reliable, performant enough and fit 5 people and cost about half as much to fill up. But the complainers were highly skeptical.
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
I think it was HuffPo (possibly The Daily Beast, but Huff more likely) that early in TFG’s candidacy made the editorial decision to tag all stories about him as Entertainment rather than Politics. Not sure when they stopped — perhaps the day he clinched the nomination, maybe not until actual Election Day.
Suzanne
@Soprano2: They act like they simply have to drive a big gaz-guzzling vehicle, like it’s utterly the only option. It is not. Mr. Suzanne and I have always driven small cars and then we rent larger ones as needed, if we have to move something big or drive in conditions.
Can I also point out that it should be treated as a luxury? I know that the things men like are just rational consumer choices while the things women like are “basic” and “bitches be spending”….but once again, this is a perception.
catclub
@Chief Oshkosh:
yeah, spot on. Katrina recovery money went to … Port Expansion.
Soprano2
@Suzanne: We have a pickup, but it’s a 1987 S-10, so it gets decent gas mileage. I know there is a demand for these small pickups, because it’s a horrendous two-colored beater but I’ve had several people try to buy it from me! I don’t know why car makers stopped making them.
catclub
@Citizen Alan:
Yes. for statewide. Gerrymandering means 4 of 5 (or 3 of 4) House Reps are solid white and one is 85+% black.
I remembered that when the Democrat won Alabama for Senate, he lost 5 of 6 Representative districts.
Geminid
@Soprano2: It certainly was a mistake for automakers to move away from small trucks. Ford is now producing a smaller hybrid “Maverick” truck and orders are backed up. I think a Hawaii jackal managed to score one.
My friend Debbie has a Honda Ridgeline with a six cylinder engine, crew cab and short bed. It’s a little smaller than a full sized pickup (she and her wife also own a small Honda car). Debbie likes to haul stuff like beekeeping supplies. Tomorrow she’ll help me haul a big stash of aluminum cans to the recycling center in Orange and I’ll ask her about her truck’s gas mileage.
Central Planning
@Matt McIrvin: They could also drive a little slower. My car easily gets 40 mpg if I keep it at 65 on the thruway
A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)
@MattF: Oh right! I’d forgotten about “Sleepy Joe”, since it is so patently untrue. Biden’s energy is impressive.