Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

There is no right way to do the wrong thing.

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

Insiders who complain to politico: please report to the white house office of shut the fuck up.

Don’t expect peaches from an apple tree.

A democracy can’t function when people can’t distinguish facts from lies.

A last alliance of elves and men. also pet photos.

These days, even the boring Republicans are nuts.

Motto for the House: Flip 5 and lose none.

Republicans choose power over democracy, every day.

He imagines himself as The Big Bad, Who Is Universally Feared… instead of The Big Jagoff, Who Is Universally Mocked.

When I decide to be condescending, you won’t have to dream up a fantasy about it.

“Cheese and Kraken paired together for the appetizer trial.”

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

The revolution will be supervised.

Today’s GOP: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

‘Museums aren’t America’s attic for its racist shit.’

In short, I come down firmly on all sides of the issue.

Everybody saw this coming.

Republicans want to make it harder to vote and easier for them to cheat.

“That’s what the insurrection act is for!”

Too often we confuse noise with substance. too often we confuse setbacks with defeat.

Fuck these fucking interesting times.

If you are still in the GOP, you are either an extremist yourself, or in bed with those who are.

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  2. 2.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    When Alex Wagner said she would be having the newest Democratic member of Congress on her show, my first thought was it was Pat Ryan (NY-18), but of course, it was Mary Peltola (AK-AL).

    So, yeah, I can see them getting rattled. I’m not complacent, not counting chickens, but the ground has shifted, I think

  3. 3.

    bbleh

    Per earlier comment, once again Joe rises to the occasion.

    And definitely concur in all OP and upthread comments re the squealing that has followed.

    “Oh, sorry, hit a nerve there?”

  4. 4.

    lollipopguild

    A lot of the loudmouths on the right are performance artists and costume players. I am hoping that the one’s who try something end up like the guy who attacked the FBI office.

  7. 7.

    Doc Sardonic

    Somebody needs to yank the “electric cord of liberty” out the iron and wear Kevin McCarthy’s ass out with it.

  13. 13.

    Westyny

    @sanjeevs: Peter Baker is an energy vampire, like Colin in What We Do in the Shadows.  Christ, what an asshole.  Glad to see he’s getting dragged in the thread.

  15. 15.

    Matt McIrvin

    Charles Johnson went waaaay into the darkness back in the day and he can recognize it when he sees it by now.

  16. 16.

    M31

    the account of the first tweet quoted seems to have been deleted, I hope that the author of it didn’t get harassed or threatened by magats :-(

  19. 19.

    matt

    I thought it was great. Biden gave the Republicans a lot of really hard smacks. And basically he said here’s your offramp, don’t hang there with the Magas.

  21. 21.

    James E Powell

    Key moment for every living Democrat: Repeat what Your President just said. Don’t back down. Don’t equivocate. Push the narrative.

  23. 23.

    danielx

    I never did give them hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell. – Harry Truman
    They are unanimous in their hate for me–and I welcome their hatred. – Franklin Roosevelt

    When Republicans are squealing, you’re doing something right. Good for Joe – has finally recognized nothing was ever going to get done by appealing to Republicans’ better natures, they don’t have any. More please!​

  24. 24.

    Hilbertsubspace

    So many choices…

    The sparking electric cord of liberty still reaches our hearts in the waters of America.

    The piano wire of freedom shines brightly around the throat of justice.

    The nail bat of cooperation sinks firmly into the skull of decency.

    The anthrax and tire rims of bipartisanship feed those who hunger for a peaceful ending.

  27. 27.

    Eolirin

    I feel like this is almost as much of condemnation of the media as the Repubicans. Without their enabling these issues are far less severe.

    So they’re never going to properly evaluate it. It’d require examining themselves and they’re never gonna do that.

  29. 29.

    Ruckus

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    The ground has shifted.

    Joe shifted it.

    Hard left.

    I’m here for it, I’m figuratively shouting from the roof tops.

    This was/is always necessary, to give concise, easy to understand dimensions to the problem, and to the solution. We’ve been here before, not as far into the woods but this is part of having a free country. Some do not like that this country is for all the people. Some only like a country when is enriches themselves and no one else – it makes them feel special, when in fact they are anything but.

    It won’t make for smooth sailing, but if we all pull together, for bettering all of us, it will get far better than it is or would have been for only those that were willing to steal everything.

    IOW, we’ve been here before, not as far down the road. But dad knows what to do, how to get to the other side.

  30. 30.

    mvr

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: ​  Oh God! Rod Stewart. So much to love. So much to hate. Or as I get older, so much to regret. He was so fucking good when he was in his prime. And it got frittered away.The stuff he’s done since would not annoy me if it wasn’t that he could have done so much more.​

    But on the main topic, that was a good speech for its intended purpose. I’ve heard prettier. I’ve heard more interesting. But I haven’t really heard blunter or more to the point. And we need that point.

  31. 31.

    Ruckus

    @Eolirin:

    Do you think the media owners are liberals, just waiting for whatever to get engaged in this? Sorry to break it to you but the media is owned mostly by people who are only worried about their bank balances. Everything else they can purchase as long as their bank balances get bigger, not smaller. They are not all faux news but they aren’t the liberal nirvana either.

  32. 32.

    Gravenstone

    @sanjeevs: Here’s a thought, Peter – if you don’t believe the threat of violent extremism is an issue, then you might just be a part of the problem yourself.

  35. 35.

    piratedan

    @Ruckus: i really believe that the J6 hearings primed the ground, by exposing what the media had ignored or were attempting to bury with their preferred narratives, they reminded us all (and those still recovering from the pandemic hangover) of what took place and ran full in the face of what the media was selling to us as a GOP takeover as a foregone conclusion.

    That got more people’s attention and when the Roe and Dobbs decisions were dropped, we had a political flash bomb.  The media continues to try and both sides this but more and more of the public is refusing to buy their framing because it’s equally as myopic as what the GOP is selling.

  36. 36.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    BIDEN: I’m not talking about ALL Republicans, I’m just talking about the racist ones who support political violence

    TUCKER CARLSON: How dare you attack us

    — Ben Wexler (@mrbenwexler) September 2, 2022​

  37. 37.

    columbusqueen

    I went to Marion, Ohio to hear Biden speak the Saturday before the ’08 election. Afterwards, I shook his hand on the rope line, & as I was I said, “I’d tell you to give them hell, but you already are.” He chuckled & replied, “I always do!”

    Thanks, Joe, for dishing it out again.

  38. 38.

    Martin

    I thought the speech was okay. It would have been better focusing more on the threat of democracy and less on being a Dem stump speech (nothing wrong with that, but it took away from the speech in the same way that ‘if democracy is in such peril, why are you closing up Congress for a month to go fundraise?’)

    But nothing on the ground has changed. The white nationalists will not tolerate any other cultures out of fear they will become a minority. They started a war over that once. It’s going to take a LOT of work to knock them out of this effort, and they’re too deep down the hole to just walk away. Remember point #11:

    “Everybody is educated to become a hero“, which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, “[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death.”

    They all own ARs for a reason.

  39. 39.

    opiejeanne

    @piratedan: I saw one pundit opining that the righteous anger of women about the Dobbs decision might fade away before November. That was in a discussion of Mary Peltola’s victory over Sarah Palin.

    I think women’s memories are a bit longer than that.

  40. 40.

    opiejeanne

    @Martin: I’ve been wondering  if  the asshole who lives next door has an AR. My nephew took my rifle and my shotgun and has cleaned and repaired them for me, but I haven’t gotten them back yet. I’ve never fired either of them but he has promised to take me to a shooting range to learn how to handle them.

    Many years ago I did spend some time out in the desert with some friends firing a rifle, shooting at tin cans on a rock. I think it was a .22. I have forgotten everything I learned that day.

  42. 42.

    eclare

    @opiejeanne:   I think women’s memories are longer than that, and also with each passing month more horror stories will come out about the real life consequences of these horrible state rules.

  45. 45.

    West of the Rockies

    I wonder if Joe knows an indictment is coming for TFG and is sort of readying America for it, framing it as genuine patriots vs insurrectionists.

  46. 46.

    Tony Jay

    The greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the Left that they couldn’t accurately describe the Right without offending the Centre.

  47. 47.

    JoyceH

    Hey, if we’re talking about speeches, content and delivery, can we talk about Kevin McCathey’s “prebuttal”? I’ve noticed about him before – guy is just about the most unconvincing speaker I’ve ever heard! Especially when he’s trying to display passion or anger – worst actor ever!

  49. 49.

    sab

    @Tony Jay: I wish you could convince Tim Ryan in Ohio, tacking to the center again after the primary and before the general election.

    Grrr…Centrists never win in Ohio. We will actually vote for a sincere leftist, but why vote for a Democratic ” Republican Lite” when the Republicans are running the actual creature?

  50. 50.

    lowtechcyclist

    @sanjeevs: ​
     

    Never change NYT.

    It’s all just a fucking game to them, isn’t it?

    I need to listen to the speech today. Stuff going on in my own life kinda got in the way last night.

  51. 51.

    sab

    “Stuff going on in my own lfe kinda got in the way last night…”

    That’s my life too lately. Spouse still alive and mobile, though, so I am good.

  53. 53.

    sab

    @Baud: Sherrod Brown, multiple times.

    ETA In the past when DeWine ran as a deranged nutjob he lost ( most recently to Sherrod Brown.)  Rob Portman always presented himself as a moderate, which he isn’t. But the press went along.

  57. 57.

    sab

    @Baud: He is a long-standing incumbent because he is an outspoken sincere Democrat who cares about his constituents. He has never been a Republican lite or DLC type. He is what he is and he says what he is and we like that.

    ETA I think Tim Ryan pivoting for the general is a bad idea. Makes him look waffling. He has genuinely changed his mind on important issues over the years. If he waffles on minor stuff it makes him look like he has no actual values. Bad impression, wrong impression, but here we are. Al Gore revisited. Democrats have no beliefs.

  59. 59.

    eclare

    @oatler:   That retired judge who spoke to the J6 committee also used the phrase “clear and present danger.”

    Googled, Michael Luttig.

  61. 61.

    sab

    Sunrise here in Ohio looks very red. Oops. Weather should fuck up my plans yet again. Glad I don’t actually sail.

    Anxious pitbull chewing on her quilt again.

  62. 62.

    sab

    @Baud: No he couldn’t. But he is what he is and we trust that.

    Tim Ryan needs to stop remakimg himself all the time. He has been my congressman for twenty years. I have a pretty good idea of what he is. He needs to present that, not change all the time. The rest of Ohio will be confused. His opponent is JD Vance. Could we possibly have at least one honest guy who is not a cipher in this election.

  63. 63.

    sab

    @Baud: I may be wrong. Ryan does have his ear to the ground in Ohio. I should probably trust his instincts. My LWNJ husband has been shrieking at his commercials, the same ones that pissed me off in the primary. Husband then told me to calm down. Now he shrieks at the TV. Who knows?

  66. 66.

    Tony Jay

    @sab:

    It’s when faced with a conundrum like that that I try to get a sense of who (insert the name of the malfunctioning politician here) is being funded by. The answer to “why are they reinventing the wheel, here?” usually has a green tinge to it.

  67. 67.

    Mustang Bobby

    “these guys yelling “f**k Joe Biden” are kinda proving the premise of Biden’s speech about unhinged and dangerous MAGAs”

    The closer you get to the bacon, the more the pigs squeal.

  68. 68.

    sab

    @Tony Jay: I really do not think he is corrupt. Not just optimism. I just don’t think that is him. I do think he grew up in an area way to his own right, and he is always compensating.

  69. 69.

    RevRick

    My parents both served in the American embassy in Berlin before WW2. They heard the ugly, hateful, violent rhetoric daily, which my mom said made the hair on the back of her neck stand up. They witnessed Kristallnacht, the terroristic attack on the Jews. They understood the dark and dangerous road of fascism.
    What President Biden said last night was right on target. MAGA is a fascist impulse let loose in our nation and must be opposed with every fiber in our being.

  71. 71.

    sab

    @sab: He married a school teacher with her own kids. I think his coming to his senses on guns and abortion is he has an actual wife who has to deal with female reproductive issues, and a wife who works in the venues where crazy adolescents might murder a roomful of kids. It’s not just politics anymore.

  73. 73.

    RevRick

    @Martin: when you compare the features of fascism to MAGA Republicanism, there’s a sickening correspondence.
    Traditionalism – and what is that AGAIN in Make America Great Again all about?
    Contempt for women – anti-abortion laws!

    Belief in a plot – Q-Anon!
    Irrationalism – Climate science denial, anti-vaxx!

  74. 74.

    Ken

    @eclare: That retired judge […] also used the phrase “clear and present danger.”

    Now all we need is someone from the legislative branch to say it. The trifecta activates the sections of the Constitution that give the President absolute power to imprison without trial anyone that he deems a danger to the nation.

    Just kidding. Everyone knows it’s the Patriot Act that grants that power.

  75. 75.

    germy shoemangler

    Biden has created a real opportunity for Republicans to appeal to all Americans! As David Harsanyi tweeted:

    ”Basically a smear of 70 million people— in front of the flag and military on primetime tv” GOP should seek to unify Americans tired of lies and hate from Biden.

    — Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) September 2, 2022

    Testify, Newt!

  77. 77.

    Ken

    (Gingrich): Biden has created a real opportunity for Republicans to appeal to all Americans!

    By which he means all Americans who think that “we will overthrow the government if we don’t get our way” is an acceptable political position.

  78. 78.

    Betsy

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Great observation.

    And women have far more doctor visits than men, starting from an earlier age.  Many guys hardly see a doc in the years between between their pediatrician and their cardiologist, unless something goes symptomatically  wrong, whereas women have an annual repro exam every year (generally or ideally) starting at 16-18 and continuing. Plus reminders from our systems every few weeks

  80. 80.

    Matt McIrvin

    ”Basically a smear of 70 million people”

    Anyone who complains about this and has ever heard any American President since Reagan talk about Democrats can kiss my ass.

  82. 82.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    Employers added 315,000 jobs last month on a seasonally adjusted basis, the Labor Department said Friday. That was down from 526,000 in July, though it still represented a strong pace of growth. The unemployment rate rose to 3.7 percent.

    Economists have been saying for months that job growth was likely to slow as the economy comes down from last year’s vaccine-fueled boom and as higher borrowing costs make it harder for businesses to expand. Instead, the labor market remained red hot even as other parts of the economy, such as the housing market, turned sharply lower. The data released Friday indicated the long-delayed slowdown may finally have begun

    “I think stability is very welcome right now for the economy,” said Michelle Meyer, chief U.S. economist for Mastercard. “If we have a glide path there, if we take these steps from 500,000 jobs to 300,000 to 200,000, that’s a better outcome than if we have a dramatic shock where suddenly next month we have negative job growth.”​

  83. 83.

    Another Scott

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: CalculatedRiskBlog.com take:

    The headline monthly jobs number was above expectations; however, employment for the previous two months was revised down by 107,000, combined.

    The headline unemployment rate increased to 3.7% due to the increase in the participation rate.

    Overall, this was another solid employment report.

    Kai Ryssdal noted on Marketplace yesterday that the numbers this time of year are subject to revisions because the response rate to the survey is low (~70%) because of vacations.  So revisions aren’t surprising.  Still, the numbers are good.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  84. 84.

    oatler

    This quarrel is scaring the kids. They’ve sought refuge in the 1980s, with “Stranger Things” to comfort them.

  85. 85.

    opiejeanne

    @eclare: I’m a little worried about him. He’s about our age (70s) was the kind of guy who would do anything for you, but went nuts when Obama was elected. We haven’t spoken with him since Trump announced he was running for President, so he might actually like Biden, we just don’t know. We do know that he watches Fox News because we can hear it sometimes, and all of his insanity about Obama was Fox talking points.

  88. 88.

    J R in WV

    I have read the King James Bible, and paid particular attention to the teachings direct from Jesus. No one can be a member of the theocratic right wing and still be an actual Christian — can’t be done.

    • Hate the others? Nope, not according to Christ!
    • Unwilling to give to charity, to help the homeless? Nope, not according to Christ!
    • Lock women in a subservient role? Nope, not according to Christ, who invites prostitutes to the party!
    • Attempt to stop people from fleeing to America to seek a better life? Nope!
    • Hate Jews? Come on, Jesus WAS a Jew!! Double Nope!
    • Hate black people as a white supremacist? Nope… Jesus was pretty dusky too, If you know what I mean…

    No one who is a white supremacist, is also a Christian. No one! No one hating on refugees can be a Christian, Christ was a refugee himself! These MAGA Republicans are NOT Christian, and the Theocratic Calvinist Pastors aren’t either. That’s why so many of them commit sexual predation on people less powerful than them… women and children, little boys and girls. Amazingly frequently, given the lack of power women and kids have in Theocratic Calvinist organizations.

    Michael Gerson, in the WaPo said recently:

    Given the evidence of sexual abuse in the Southern Baptist Convention, the corruption and sexual scandal at Liberty University, the sex scandal in the Hillsong ministry, the sexual exploitation revealed in Ravi Zacharias’s ministry, and the years of sexual predation at the (Christian) Kanakuk summer camps, Americans increasingly identify the word “evangelical” with pretense, scandal and duplicity. In the case of the SBC, victims (mostly women) were ignored, intimidated, dismissed and demeaned.

    These folks are not Christians, not by any definition of that understanding. They’re barely human. They certainly shouldn’t be telling other people how to behave, nor what is right and wrong. And their support of Donald Trump is so fitting, as they are fascist haters, just as TFG is.

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