My 4 year old: Why’s Joe Biden mad?
Me: He has to defend democracy, buddy. #bidenspeech pic.twitter.com/a7mERJAJg3— christina (@christinaweina) September 2, 2022
“You can't love your country only when you win,” President Joe Biden#bidenspeech
— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) September 2, 2022
these guys yelling "f**k Joe Biden" are kinda proving the premise of Biden's speech about unhinged and dangerous MAGAs pic.twitter.com/EMYqz3Cmfb
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 2, 2022
Can you imagine being an American citizen and hearing your own president talk about you like this? Surely the people of California, Chicago and Baltimore cannot possibly imagine
— Adam Vann (@vannadam) September 2, 2022
Fact check: 100% true. https://t.co/emMCStMVyf
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 2, 2022
I am loving how Biden keeps hammering home that *we* are the fucking optimists who are working for the future, while MAGA Republicans are the pessimists who want to go backwards. Go Joe!#bidenspeech
— Allyson Ford – #IStandWithUkraine (@AFinLA) September 2, 2022
Biden's right. Election '22 is about the battle for the soul of the nation. He's set the terms of the fight tonight as only a @POTUS can do & in circumstances like this must do. Making his case, he demonstrated what a US leader can be & how that contrasts w/the MAGA alternative.
— David Rothkopf (@djrothkopf) September 2, 2022
THERE WAS AN ATTEMPTED COUP. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE https://t.co/EBgv69BXPf
— David Mack (@davidmackau) September 2, 2022
“The toaster of patriotism browns the bread of freedom.” https://t.co/fFUkeiMGQz
— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) September 1, 2022
Maybe you shouldn't have egged on an insurrection if you can't handle stern disapproval from grandpa.
Maybe if you said everyone who was concerned about it was being hysterical, people will be less inclined to believe you when they say the old man is going to gas you all.
— Starfish In Charge Of WB Tax Evasion Dept. (@IRHotTakes) September 2, 2022
I see McCarthy wants Biden to apologize for calling the GOP "semi-Fascist" and he should; including the "semi" was disrespectful to the hardworking right-wing extremists in the party
— ProofOfBurden (@ProofofBurden) September 1, 2022
Sister Golden Bear
Lotta hit dogs hollerin’
Oh, and frist!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
When Alex Wagner said she would be having the newest Democratic member of Congress on her show, my first thought was it was Pat Ryan (NY-18), but of course, it was Mary Peltola (AK-AL).
So, yeah, I can see them getting rattled. I’m not complacent, not counting chickens, but the ground has shifted, I think
bbleh
Per earlier comment, once again Joe rises to the occasion.
And definitely concur in all OP and upthread comments re the squealing that has followed.
“Oh, sorry, hit a nerve there?”
lollipopguild
A lot of the loudmouths on the right are performance artists and costume players. I am hoping that the one’s who try something end up like the guy who attacked the FBI office.
eclare
That phrase about the electric cord of liberty is just…weird! Great comments in the thread.
Chetan Murthy
worth the click, really (h/t LG&M)
Doc Sardonic
Somebody needs to yank the “electric cord of liberty” out the iron and wear Kevin McCarthy’s ass out with it.
sanjeevs
Peter Baker on Twitter: “Rather than a referendum on his own presidency, which has been hurt by high inflation and low public morale, Biden wants to make the election a choice between “normal” and an “extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic,” as he put it. https://t.co/x2aM5zP6XU” / Twitter
Never change NYT.
Amir Khalid
@eclare:
One should stay well away from a sparking electric cord. I hope Kevin McCarthy is aware of this.
dmsilev
It was a good speech, and all the whining about it just reinforces that assessment
dmsilev
@Amir Khalid: I dunno, I think we should encourage the likes of Kevin McCarthy to firmly grasp the sparking cord, preferably by biting down on it.
Barbara
@dmsilev: While standing barefoot in a puddle.
Westyny
@sanjeevs: Peter Baker is an energy vampire, like Colin in What We Do in the Shadows. Christ, what an asshole. Glad to see he’s getting dragged in the thread.
Westyny
@sanjeevs: Peter Baker is an energy vampire, like Colin in What We Do in the Shadows. Christ, what an asshole.
@sanjeevs:
Matt McIrvin
Charles Johnson went waaaay into the darkness back in the day and he can recognize it when he sees it by now.
M31
the account of the first tweet quoted seems to have been deleted, I hope that the author of it didn’t get harassed or threatened by magats :-(
prostratedragon
@sanjeevs: Really going for all DougJ’s glory there.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Rod Stewart has a sense of humor. and is it Sir Rod by now?
matt
I thought it was great. Biden gave the Republicans a lot of really hard smacks. And basically he said here’s your offramp, don’t hang there with the Magas.
Origuy
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Made me look it up. Yes, he was awarded a CBE in 2007 and promoted to Knight Bachelor in 2016. The KB is what gives him the right to be called “Sir”. Ordinary CBE’s aren’t Sirs.
James E Powell
Key moment for every living Democrat: Repeat what Your President just said. Don’t back down. Don’t equivocate. Push the narrative.
Kelly
@Doc Sardonic: Sparking electric cord can burn down the house.
danielx
When Republicans are squealing, you’re doing something right. Good for Joe – has finally recognized nothing was ever going to get done by appealing to Republicans’ better natures, they don’t have any. More please!
Hilbertsubspace
So many choices…
The sparking electric cord of liberty still reaches our hearts in the waters of America.
The piano wire of freedom shines brightly around the throat of justice.
The nail bat of cooperation sinks firmly into the skull of decency.
The anthrax and tire rims of bipartisanship feed those who hunger for a peaceful ending.
James E Powell
@Barbara:
And holding hands with Mitch McConnell
Origuy
Rick Steves produced a one-hour documentary called The Story of Fascism in Europe a couple of years ago.
Eolirin
I feel like this is almost as much of condemnation of the media as the Repubicans. Without their enabling these issues are far less severe.
So they’re never going to properly evaluate it. It’d require examining themselves and they’re never gonna do that.
sukabi
@Amir Khalid: I hope he’s not…
Ruckus
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
The ground has shifted.
Joe shifted it.
Hard left.
I’m here for it, I’m figuratively shouting from the roof tops.
This was/is always necessary, to give concise, easy to understand dimensions to the problem, and to the solution. We’ve been here before, not as far into the woods but this is part of having a free country. Some do not like that this country is for all the people. Some only like a country when is enriches themselves and no one else – it makes them feel special, when in fact they are anything but.
It won’t make for smooth sailing, but if we all pull together, for bettering all of us, it will get far better than it is or would have been for only those that were willing to steal everything.
IOW, we’ve been here before, not as far down the road. But dad knows what to do, how to get to the other side.
mvr
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Oh God! Rod Stewart. So much to love. So much to hate. Or as I get older, so much to regret. He was so fucking good when he was in his prime. And it got frittered away.The stuff he’s done since would not annoy me if it wasn’t that he could have done so much more.
But on the main topic, that was a good speech for its intended purpose. I’ve heard prettier. I’ve heard more interesting. But I haven’t really heard blunter or more to the point. And we need that point.
Ruckus
@Eolirin:
Do you think the media owners are liberals, just waiting for whatever to get engaged in this? Sorry to break it to you but the media is owned mostly by people who are only worried about their bank balances. Everything else they can purchase as long as their bank balances get bigger, not smaller. They are not all faux news but they aren’t the liberal nirvana either.
Gravenstone
@sanjeevs: Here’s a thought, Peter – if you don’t believe the threat of violent extremism is an issue, then you might just be a part of the problem yourself.
Gravenstone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: The replies are just *chef’s kiss
Ruckus
@sanjeevs:
FTFNYT. Worse than useless assholes.
piratedan
@Ruckus: i really believe that the J6 hearings primed the ground, by exposing what the media had ignored or were attempting to bury with their preferred narratives, they reminded us all (and those still recovering from the pandemic hangover) of what took place and ran full in the face of what the media was selling to us as a GOP takeover as a foregone conclusion.
That got more people’s attention and when the Roe and Dobbs decisions were dropped, we had a political flash bomb. The media continues to try and both sides this but more and more of the public is refusing to buy their framing because it’s equally as myopic as what the GOP is selling.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
columbusqueen
I went to Marion, Ohio to hear Biden speak the Saturday before the ’08 election. Afterwards, I shook his hand on the rope line, & as I was I said, “I’d tell you to give them hell, but you already are.” He chuckled & replied, “I always do!”
Thanks, Joe, for dishing it out again.
Martin
I thought the speech was okay. It would have been better focusing more on the threat of democracy and less on being a Dem stump speech (nothing wrong with that, but it took away from the speech in the same way that ‘if democracy is in such peril, why are you closing up Congress for a month to go fundraise?’)
But nothing on the ground has changed. The white nationalists will not tolerate any other cultures out of fear they will become a minority. They started a war over that once. It’s going to take a LOT of work to knock them out of this effort, and they’re too deep down the hole to just walk away. Remember point #11:
They all own ARs for a reason.
opiejeanne
@piratedan: I saw one pundit opining that the righteous anger of women about the Dobbs decision might fade away before November. That was in a discussion of Mary Peltola’s victory over Sarah Palin.
I think women’s memories are a bit longer than that.
opiejeanne
@Martin: I’ve been wondering if the asshole who lives next door has an AR. My nephew took my rifle and my shotgun and has cleaned and repaired them for me, but I haven’t gotten them back yet. I’ve never fired either of them but he has promised to take me to a shooting range to learn how to handle them.
Many years ago I did spend some time out in the desert with some friends firing a rifle, shooting at tin cans on a rock. I think it was a .22. I have forgotten everything I learned that day.
prostratedragon
“Little Threepenny Music” suite by Kurt Weill, played by … chamber ensemble of the President’s Own USMC Band?!
(For some reason the person who published the playlist appended a 2-hour anime at the end. Beware.)
eclare
@opiejeanne: I think women’s memories are longer than that, and also with each passing month more horror stories will come out about the real life consequences of these horrible state rules.
eclare
@opiejeanne: Are you worried about your neighbor?
A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)
@opiejeanne: A male pundit, am I right? Of course.
West of the Rockies
I wonder if Joe knows an indictment is coming for TFG and is sort of readying America for it, framing it as genuine patriots vs insurrectionists.
Tony Jay
The greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the Left that they couldn’t accurately describe the Right without offending the Centre.
JoyceH
Hey, if we’re talking about speeches, content and delivery, can we talk about Kevin McCathey’s “prebuttal”? I’ve noticed about him before – guy is just about the most unconvincing speaker I’ve ever heard! Especially when he’s trying to display passion or anger – worst actor ever!
sab
@West of the Rockies: I doubt it. I think Biden and Garland both agree DOJ shouldn’t be a political tool of the Presidency.
sab
@Tony Jay: I wish you could convince Tim Ryan in Ohio, tacking to the center again after the primary and before the general election.
Grrr…Centrists never win in Ohio. We will actually vote for a sincere leftist, but why vote for a Democratic ” Republican Lite” when the Republicans are running the actual creature?
lowtechcyclist
@sanjeevs:
It’s all just a fucking game to them, isn’t it?
I need to listen to the speech today. Stuff going on in my own life kinda got in the way last night.
sab
“Stuff going on in my own lfe kinda got in the way last night…”
That’s my life too lately. Spouse still alive and mobile, though, so I am good.
Baud
@sab:
When has Ohio voted for a lefty?
sab
@Baud: Sherrod Brown, multiple times.
ETA In the past when DeWine ran as a deranged nutjob he lost ( most recently to Sherrod Brown.) Rob Portman always presented himself as a moderate, which he isn’t. But the press went along.
Baud
@sab:
He’s a long-standing incumbent.
Ksmiami
@dmsilev: only if he’s standing in a puddle of water at the same time
eclare
@sab: Good to hear.
sab
@Baud: He is a long-standing incumbent because he is an outspoken sincere Democrat who cares about his constituents. He has never been a Republican lite or DLC type. He is what he is and he says what he is and we like that.
ETA I think Tim Ryan pivoting for the general is a bad idea. Makes him look waffling. He has genuinely changed his mind on important issues over the years. If he waffles on minor stuff it makes him look like he has no actual values. Bad impression, wrong impression, but here we are. Al Gore revisited. Democrats have no beliefs.
oatler
The site I hate-monitor is reacting to Biden’s speech in raw terror.
https://ricochet.com/1307446/biden-warns-that-maga-republicans-pose-clear-and-present-danger-to-nation/
eclare
@oatler: That retired judge who spoke to the J6 committee also used the phrase “clear and present danger.”
Googled, Michael Luttig.
Baud
@sab:
I’m not defending Ryan, but I question whether Brown could get elected as a newbie today.
sab
Sunrise here in Ohio looks very red. Oops. Weather should fuck up my plans yet again. Glad I don’t actually sail.
Anxious pitbull chewing on her quilt again.
sab
@Baud: No he couldn’t. But he is what he is and we trust that.
Tim Ryan needs to stop remakimg himself all the time. He has been my congressman for twenty years. I have a pretty good idea of what he is. He needs to present that, not change all the time. The rest of Ohio will be confused. His opponent is JD Vance. Could we possibly have at least one honest guy who is not a cipher in this election.
sab
@Baud: I may be wrong. Ryan does have his ear to the ground in Ohio. I should probably trust his instincts. My LWNJ husband has been shrieking at his commercials, the same ones that pissed me off in the primary. Husband then told me to calm down. Now he shrieks at the TV. Who knows?
zhena gogolia
@Origuy: Yeah, really good.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@opiejeanne: It isn’t even just a case of women having long memories. Dobbes isn’t an over-and-done-with event. It’s ongoing. We’re reminded of it every time we go to the doctor.
Tony Jay
@sab:
It’s when faced with a conundrum like that that I try to get a sense of who (insert the name of the malfunctioning politician here) is being funded by. The answer to “why are they reinventing the wheel, here?” usually has a green tinge to it.
Mustang Bobby
“these guys yelling “f**k Joe Biden” are kinda proving the premise of Biden’s speech about unhinged and dangerous MAGAs”
The closer you get to the bacon, the more the pigs squeal.
sab
@Tony Jay: I really do not think he is corrupt. Not just optimism. I just don’t think that is him. I do think he grew up in an area way to his own right, and he is always compensating.
RevRick
My parents both served in the American embassy in Berlin before WW2. They heard the ugly, hateful, violent rhetoric daily, which my mom said made the hair on the back of her neck stand up. They witnessed Kristallnacht, the terroristic attack on the Jews. They understood the dark and dangerous road of fascism.
What President Biden said last night was right on target. MAGA is a fascist impulse let loose in our nation and must be opposed with every fiber in our being.
germy shoemangler
True.
sab
@sab: He married a school teacher with her own kids. I think his coming to his senses on guns and abortion is he has an actual wife who has to deal with female reproductive issues, and a wife who works in the venues where crazy adolescents might murder a roomful of kids. It’s not just politics anymore.
Matt McIrvin
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: That was exactly the context of Hillary Clinton’s “basket of deplorables” remark–trying to separate conservatives you could work with from terrible ones–and of course all the conservatives who heard it jumped in that basket.
RevRick
@Martin: when you compare the features of fascism to MAGA Republicanism, there’s a sickening correspondence.
Traditionalism – and what is that AGAIN in Make America Great Again all about?
Contempt for women – anti-abortion laws!
Belief in a plot – Q-Anon!
Irrationalism – Climate science denial, anti-vaxx!
Ken
Now all we need is someone from the legislative branch to say it. The trifecta activates the sections of the Constitution that give the President absolute power to imprison without trial anyone that he deems a danger to the nation.
Just kidding. Everyone knows it’s the Patriot Act that grants that power.
germy shoemangler
Testify, Newt!
lowtechcyclist
@germy shoemangler:
Indeed! If the foo shits, Newt should wear it.
Ken
By which he means all Americans who think that “we will overthrow the government if we don’t get our way” is an acceptable political position.
Betsy
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Great observation.
And women have far more doctor visits than men, starting from an earlier age. Many guys hardly see a doc in the years between between their pediatrician and their cardiologist, unless something goes symptomatically wrong, whereas women have an annual repro exam every year (generally or ideally) starting at 16-18 and continuing. Plus reminders from our systems every few weeks
Matt McIrvin
@germy shoemangler: Newt Gingrich is the guy who believes that the President should be able to send assassins out with preemptive pardons in hand so they can do war crimes.
Matt McIrvin
Anyone who complains about this and has ever heard any American President since Reagan talk about Democrats can kiss my ass.
Ken
@Matt McIrvin: Yet he would be the first to scream if someone with such a pre-emptive pardon shot him.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
Another Scott
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: CalculatedRiskBlog.com take:
Kai Ryssdal noted on Marketplace yesterday that the numbers this time of year are subject to revisions because the response rate to the survey is low (~70%) because of vacations. So revisions aren’t surprising. Still, the numbers are good.
Cheers,
Scott.
oatler
This quarrel is scaring the kids. They’ve sought refuge in the 1980s, with “Stranger Things” to comfort them.
opiejeanne
@eclare: I’m a little worried about him. He’s about our age (70s) was the kind of guy who would do anything for you, but went nuts when Obama was elected. We haven’t spoken with him since Trump announced he was running for President, so he might actually like Biden, we just don’t know. We do know that he watches Fox News because we can hear it sometimes, and all of his insanity about Obama was Fox talking points.
opiejeanne
@A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan): Yes, it was a male pundit who thinks women will be distracted by some other shiny thing by November.
Paul in KY
@Tony Jay: Well said, Tony.
J R in WV
I have read the King James Bible, and paid particular attention to the teachings direct from Jesus. No one can be a member of the theocratic right wing and still be an actual Christian — can’t be done.
No one who is a white supremacist, is also a Christian. No one! No one hating on refugees can be a Christian, Christ was a refugee himself! These MAGA Republicans are NOT Christian, and the Theocratic Calvinist Pastors aren’t either. That’s why so many of them commit sexual predation on people less powerful than them… women and children, little boys and girls. Amazingly frequently, given the lack of power women and kids have in Theocratic Calvinist organizations.
Michael Gerson, in the WaPo said recently:
These folks are not Christians, not by any definition of that understanding. They’re barely human. They certainly shouldn’t be telling other people how to behave, nor what is right and wrong. And their support of Donald Trump is so fitting, as they are fascist haters, just as TFG is.