Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

I conferred with the team and they all agree – still not tired of winning!

Fight them, without becoming them!

Battle won, war still ongoing.

It’s easier to kill a dangerous animal than a man who just happens to have different thoughts/values than one’s own.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

This fight is for everything.

A snarling mass of vitriolic jackals

Accountability, motherfuckers.

I’m sure you banged some questionable people yourself. We’re allowed to grow past that.

Republicans: slavery is when you own me. freedom is when I own you.

Good lord, these people are nuts.

Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.

They were going to turn on one another at some point. It was inevitable.

I really should read my own blog.

There are no moderate Republican – only extremists, and cowards.

The GOP couldn’t organize an orgy in a whorehouse with a fist full of 50s.

Come on, media. you have one job. start doing it.

“In the future, this lab will be a museum. don’t touch it.”

Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

Ah, the different things are different argument.

I’ve spoken to my cat about this, but it doesn’t seem to do any good.

It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.

Balloon Juice has never been a refuge for the linguistically delicate.

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(h/t Siubhan Duinne)

A few easy laughs from the recent plethora of Konservative Klown Kar banana-peel pratfalls:

*Somebody’s* not enjoying the triumphal book tour to which he felt entitled…

Not *technically* part of the official GOP conglomerate:

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  2. 2.

    Baud

    and taking a photograph even of the covers purely for gratuitous public use (i.e., for no reasonable or legal purpose), is a grossly negligent use of classified documents

    What’s most sinister is how they goaded Trump into filing a stupid motion for a Special Master just so they could have an excuse to release it to the public.

  6. 6.

    Baud

    Peter Baker is trash, but I believe the authors don’t write the headlines. Some other idiot in the bowels of the NYT does that.

  8. 8.

    OzarkHillbilly

    i understand people don’t like this account and that’s fine but sometimes they nail it and this is that

    Doug J rules

  10. 10.

    hueyplong

    The phrase “sometimes they nail it” strongly implies that sometimes they don’t.  I have not yet stumbled across an example.

  12. 12.

    Spanky

    @Baud: Baby Ben trying to sound all growed up and using big “words”.

    Also,”reify” like it’s a common word.

    (“Hey! I reified my mortgage this week!”)

  14. 14.

    Marmot

    Damn, that last DougJ one: “The things Joe Biden says about the GOP are true. But he shouldn’t say them.”

    That was the outraged — incensed! — reaction to What’s the Matter with Kansas, back in the day. (2004)

  15. 15.

    Mimi

    Of course tfg doesn’t throw classified documents on the floor. If he did that on a regular basis there’s be…stains. Shoeprints, at least. 

  16. 16.

    p.a.

    Nice work if you can get it:

    Party A’s public proof of Party B’s criminality endangers society by instigating Party B to the violence they’ve espoused for a generation anyway.

  18. 18.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Matthew Sheffield@mattsheffield
    1/2: In 2020, Trump called Democrats “fascists” in ’20 while surrounded by military officials.

    No one remembers it bc Dems didn’t feel threatened by his false claim.

    Today, MAGA Republicans are angry at President Biden for a similar remark. Because they know it’s true.

  20. 20.

    2liberal

    conservative writers explaining why the empire were the good guys

     

    also they should include the Klingons!

  21. 21.

    Nicole

    i understand people don’t like this account and that’s fine but sometimes they nail it and this is that

    How could anyone not like that account is beyond me.  I lived for DougJ’s comments here, back in the day, when he would pose as a conservative in the comments.

  22. 22.

    Suzanne

    @Baud:

    imagistics? 

    INORITE?! WTF, just say aesthetics.

    I am staying in town this weekend because I am going to NoVA for three days next week (work), then heading straight to NYC for four days with Spawn the Elder (fun). And I got back from Cleveland on Thursday (work). So very busy. I am also planning to enjoy the Pittsburgh Labor Day parade. It’s been canceled for the past two years, so this will be my first one.

  24. 24.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Sweet Jeebus…

    Austin Bellamy, 20, climbed high into a lemon tree in Ripley, Ohio, last Friday to help trim it when he mistakenly cut into a bees’ nest, his mother, Shawna Carter, has recounted, in addition to authorities’ accounts of his injuries.

    “When he started cutting them, that’s when the bees came out, and he tried to anchor himself down, and he couldn’t … He was hollering, ‘Help! Help me! Help!’ And nobody would help him,” his grandmother, Phyllis Edwards, told the Cincinnati Enquirer.

    According to Carter, Bellamy was unable to get down from the tree because he was harnessed. Edwards watched from below alongside Bellamy’s uncle as they were unable to climb the ladder since they were also under attack by the bees.

    “I was going to try and climb the ladder to get to Austin … I see how high he was … but I couldn’t get to him because I was surrounded [by] bees,” Edwards said.

    Paramedics and the Ripley fire department responded to the scene and had to cut Bellamy out of the tree.

    “He was just covered in bees … screaming and yelling, crying for help,” said Carter. “It was just too much for me to take. It looked like he had a black blanket on his head down to his neck, down to his arms.”

    Over 20,000 stings.

    On Wednesday evening, Bellamy woke up from a medically induced coma and is expected to make a full recovery, Carter said.

  26. 26.

    matt

    I liked Biden’s speech. I see Republicans upset about the lack of civility are photoshopping Nazi stuff over Biden and twitter posting with hashtag PedoHitler. Not sure if their efforts will pay off.

  27. 27.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    @2liberal: The Klingons are actually a lot more complicated, especially because they dug into them a lot more on The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. You saw idealism, cynicism, and corruption, through the eyes of Worf, who was raised to believe the best of his culture – to believe the myths.

    The Empire was a lot simpler: rule by fear, kill without remorse, incidentally providing a modern cultural example of Machiavelli’s warning that if you can’t get the people to love you, fear works as an alternative, but you absolutely do not want the people to come to hate you.

  31. 31.

    eversor

    @Baud:

    You aren’t allowed to photograph the coversheets or the fucking room they are in either!  How do these idiots not know this?  How?  Go to the Pentagon, they have tours.  They have people on the roof with sniper rifles, not even hiding from you.  The guys at the gates even after you ID in have MP5 submachine guns standing by the fucking escalators.  Any sort of SCIF is behind multiple doors and you check all your stuff before you go in and if your ass gets caught with a camera in there or walk out with a coversheet you’re ass is going straight to one of the holding cells in there.

    There’s no “taking pictures of the coversheets to look cool”.  That’s a one way trip to a PFPA holding cell and then federal jail.

  40. 40.

    hueyplong

    @Geminid: “Ten dollar words can’t hide a two bit argument.”

    Add an unflattering reference to bow ties and you’ll have summarized George Will’s career in a single sentence.

  42. 42.

    thruppence

    @eversor: What are you even doing here? Do you think you’re convincing anybody? Or is this just a paid gig? Whatever you’re being paid, it’s not enough.

  43. 43.

    geg6

    @eclare:

    The Secret Service won’t let him march in the parade (as he has done many times in the past).  So he’s going to speak at the HQ of one of the local labor unions, I believe.

  46. 46.

    Kay

    Good question:

    Matthew Downhour
    @MatthewDownhour
    ·Sep 1
    Joe Biden is the most anti-war president of the war on terror, and probably the most peaceful since Carter. He’s paying a political price among hawks, without much countervailing support from anti-war activists – which may discourage future doves

    One would think that organizations and outlets that had admirably opposed the invasion of Iraq and other excesses of the War on Terror would be rushing to shore up the position of the best advocate of their positions in two decades

  48. 48.

    germy shoemangler

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    A monkey believed to be responsible for attacks against 56 people, including a baby girl, in the Japanese city of Yamaguchi was killed, the authorities said.

    Human-macaque conflict has become more common as Japan’s macaque population grows. https://t.co/NMNcrzp4wv

    — The New York Times (@nytimes) July 27, 2022

    “Others will take its place”

  51. 51.

    geg6

    @thruppence:

    Yeah, I agree.  I’m a pretty in-your-face atheist and I also believe religion is mostly an evil thing.  But I am not willing to tell others what to believe, nor am I wanting to disappear all religionists.  It’s almost as bad as what the Trumpnazis say about those they hate and fear.  I don’t hate anyone other than Trumpnazis.

  52. 52.

    germy shoemangler

    @geg6:

    I’d actually like Democrats to win some more elections.  I’m not sure if “Ban the bible, shut down your church” would be an effective message.

  54. 54.

    Suzanne

    @eclare: It was announced that Joe would be in PGH “for the parade” but different sources are saying he will or will not actually be in it. Whatever. Shapiro and Fetterman will be in it. Maybe the motorcade will be in it? The route goes adjacent to the United Steelworkers building, so maybe he’ll be there? The Steamfitters union hall is also very close. Whatever happens, it will be a good time.

  55. 55.

    eversor

    @thruppence:

    Did that work for you?  You feeling good about now?  Your balls drop a bit and you have hair in funny places?  You want an Amazon pirate flag for a mission complete?  Or you going to settle for a morning beer, smug look, and jerk one off for telling someone off?

  56. 56.

    eversor

    @geg6:

    The Trumpists are religious, the same religious we have always had, who carried Christian battle flags on Jan 6, laid hands on Trump, and prayed during their raids.   Trumpists = the Church.

  57. 57.

    geg6

    @Suzanne:

    It’s a party for sure.  Haven’t gone in years but, as a kid, my parents would always take us.  Mom would stay with us while my dad marched with the rest of his union. USW Local 1211.

  58. 58.

    Geminid

    The post’s item from Ron Filipkowski is just one of the many good tweets he puts out. Filipkowski is a ex-Republican who has turned on his former party with a vengeance.

    I’ll be checking out @RonFilipkowski this afternoon. He won’t attend the upcoming trump rally in person, but he typically follows reporting by a right wing internet outlet that will be interviewing ralliers. There has been a sameness with trump rallies this year, but the one tonight in Wilkes-Barre could be different. It’s trump’s first public appearance since the FBI search.

    As it happens, the rally is in the middle of three visits to Pennsylvania by Joe Biden. The President spoke in Wilkes-Barre earlier this week, in Philadelphia on Thursday, and will attend  Pittsburgh’s Labor Day parade on Monday.

  59. 59.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    @Baud: According to my FBI buddy, that photo is standard evidence gathering procedure. You number the container, take stuff out, put a marker to show what container it came out of, and photograph it.

  60. 60.

    Betsy

    Someone on here was saying yesterday that with each passing day the judge who has been asked to appoint a special master becomes less likely to do so.

    Who was that? Does anyone remember where that was?

  64. 64.

    Suzanne

    @geg6: I have to admit that I am so annoyed by the local coverage of the event. I am new here, so I am trying to figure out the best way to get there, where to park, where to sit on the route, etc. And everything just says, “route is the same as previous years”. FOR FUCK’S SAKE. This place doesn’t seem to know what to do with newcomers!

  65. 65.

    TurnItOffAndOnAgain

    @eversor:

    So you understand that getting rid of religions wouldn’t do anything, because people will just make more, or make/find suspiciously similar substitutes.

    Even if you want to throw the First Amendment out with the trash, it won’t stop people. There are plenty of scams across the country and the world that wouldn’t be classified as “religions” but still function the same as a cult anyway, as Trumpism has.

    What your constantly proposing A) can’t be done and B) shouldn’t be done, and C) wouldn’t even fix anything anyway.

  66. 66.

    Eunicecycle

    @Spanky: it’s probably because people don’t recognize it as parody. You can tell from some of the comments! At least the people behind the comments are on our side. Although I saw that David Brooks (I think) said almost the exact same thing so once again DougJ nails it.

  70. 70.

    Shalimar

    @Baud: In the old days 40 years ago, the editor who set the page wrote the headline.  Not sure how they do it now that all the typesetting is on the computer.  In theory, the major reason the writer didn’t write the headline, that the headline size depended on the space available on the page, is no longer applicable.

  71. 71.

    Geminid

    @Kay:  I  was struck by the silence of peace advocates on the ongoing truce in Yemen. They fiercely rallied around the issue of the Saudis using US provided arms in that conflict. Now a ceasefire has been in place since April, and their interest in Yemen seems to have vanished. My cynical side tells me that some anti-war activists only cared about Yemeni suffering as a club with which to beat the Biden administration.

  72. 72.

    Brachiator

     

    Why did President Trump take home top secret documents?

    One answer is obvious and right under everyone’s nose.

    Without the means to force Mr Trump to hand over the documents, the archives took the matter to the DOJ. That referral led to a DOJ investigation, which eventually led to a search of Mr Trump’s Mar-a-Lago property, where yet another trove of classified and secret documents was found. An inventory of the search that was unsealed on Friday revealed that agents seized more than 100 “unique documents with classification markings”, including three stored in Mr Trump’s desk, as well as 90 empty folders that had once held extremely sensitive documents.

    In a clip of an interview with a right wing news outlet, Trump angrily asks if anyone expected him to sit down for hours reading classified documents or hiring someone to sit down for hours to read classified documents?

    We know that Trump is too lazy to read. We also know that with Trump, an accusation is a confession. So yeah, he hired someone to read classified documents.

    A clip on MSNBC provides more answers. Trump is to crass and too stupid to care about a Trump presidential library. Also he is all about immediate gratification. The quick buck.

    And so sure enough in one of his hotels there is a bar called 45. Inside along the walls and in cases are photos, memorabilia and at least one of the empty Top Secret memo covers.

    I will bet in some of his restaurants, the idea is that guest would be handed a Top Secret folder with a menu inside it.

    That’s the kind of guy Trump is.

    He is probably also working on a new TV series called Presidential Apprentice. Contestants would read copies of classified papers as part of team challenges.

    And a few documents were probably sent to Trump’s best buddy Putin.

  73. 73.

    eclare

    @rikyrah:   I’m surprised she got the surgery in TN.  The ban here does not include an exception to save the mother’s life.  The law states that a dr can use that as a defense if he/she is criminally charged for performing an abortion.

  77. 77.

    Kay

    @Geminid:

    They fiercely rallied around the issue of the Saudis using US provided arms in that conflict. Now a ceasefire has been in place since April, and their interest in Yemen seems to have vanished

    Agreed. I’ve been wondering about it since the Afghanistan withdrawal. It’s a really glaring absence and it makes them look like they’re full of shit – not just incoherent or inconsistent but also not serious about the issue.
    Also-why haven’t any of them asked this good question from within their own ranks? Is this question not allowed?

  78. 78.

    Geminid

    @TurnItOffAndOnAgain: I would add that Republicans would like nothing better than for Democrats to advocate rooting out the Christian religion.

    I saw this anti-Christian sentiment expressed while I was visiting Daily Cuss in May, when this site was in hiatus. A poster put up a long statement about the proper place of Christians in that community, and why they needed to know their place and keep it. There was pushback by some, but others endorsed the poster’s bigotry. This was one of several things that made me feel the site was not for me.

  79. 79.

    Brachiator

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Over 20,000 stings.

    Jesus! Brings back memories. Years ago when I was a kid, some friends and I were playing in a wooded area near our homes.

    We soon discovered a hornets nest in some bushes. One kid decided that it would be fun to pee on it. Others of us started backing away and then ran for home as one kid started screaming. Soon fire trucks responded and the Pee Kid ended up in the hospital for a while.

    I learned never to be the person who does incredibly stupid and dangerous crap just to see what might happen.

  81. 81.

    Bupalos

    So it looks like we’re just about about through the phase where they throw out so many conflicting angles that idea of there being any truth wrt Trump’s theft of intelligence material is drowned out in a confusing cacophony.

    We’re moving on to where they weaponize the confusion, and the more singular line here is that what trump is being charged with, the thing these disgusting animals are trying to make the unfaithful believe with their deep-state raid and staged, planted photos, is that Trump is messy.

    It’s actually amazing to see how this works. The psychological manipulation is astounding.

  87. 87.

    Thor Heyerdahl

    @Geminid: RIP Harvey Korman & Slim Pickens.

    Hedley Lamarr:
    My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

    Taggart:
    God darnit Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.

    https://youtu.be/37v-6Zs5T10

  88. 88.

    TurnItOffAndOnAgain

    @Geminid: To brush off an older internet tradition: this. It’d be a real strategic misstep to target the religious anyway, in the same way it would be for Biden to paint all Republicans with the MAGA brush in his speeches, even though it would be very well deserved.

  89. 89.

    Brachiator

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR:

    The Empire was a lot simpler: rule by fear, kill without remorse, incidentally providing a modern cultural example of Machiavelli’s warning that if you can’t get the people to love you, fear works as an alternative, but you absolutely do not want the people to come to hate you.

    As much as I loved Trek, I don’t think the showrunners depicted the Klingons well. It was clear that the writers didn’t care for Klingons and never showed how their Empire actually worked. But this was almost OK since you rarely saw any of the Federation, apart from Star Fleet vessels.

    But fans loved the Klingons and fed off their leather biker alien Viking persona and the ultimate warrior posturing.

    Later, DS9 was much better at depicting working evil empires in their depictions of the Cardassians and the Dominion.

  90. 90.

    Ken

    @Baud: What’s most sinister is how they goaded Trump into filing a stupid motion for a Special Master just so they could have an excuse to release it to the public.

    I repeat my theory: They have a psychological workup of Trump that’s as good or better than the one Putin uses, and know how he’ll react. Someone used that to get him to make all these demands in court, and thereby have a months-long drip… drip… drip… of little tastes of treason.

    I also repeat my conclusion: That person deserves a Medal of Freedom.

  92. 92.

    Brachiator

    @Amir Khalid:

    Ben Shapiro labours under a rare burden: being a child prodigy who grew up to become a peevish, blithering idiot

    What did Shapiro do as a kid?

    He talks very fast with an emotionless affect and seems to believe that he has logically worked out the proof of the existence of God and of the transcendental  excellence of conservative values.

  93. 93.

    Geminid

    @Ken: I have another theory about the classified documents at Mar-a-Loco: that the CIA and NSA saw evidence that the classified documents had made their way into foreign hands, and gave the FBI a heads up. The DOJ’s investigation may be in part reverse engineering, so to speak, aimed at establishing through legal process facts they already know (of course they had to secure the documents too).

    This is one reason I’m not especially concerned about how soon the grand jury hands down indictments. I want them to develop a fuller story about the involvement of trump and his henchmen. This story may turn out to be far more devastating than what we know now.

  96. 96.

    2liberal

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR:The Klingons are actually a lot more complicated, especially because they dug into them a lot more on The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine.

     

    I’ve got a shallow understanding of the Trek universe in general and the Klingons in particular. I saw TOS and some of the movies but not much of the various TV series.

  97. 97.

    oatler

    @Spanky:

    It’s more like we’re the Daddy Party because the infantile fires they set say “Notice me ! I know Nazis are bad, let’s see you bail me out of jail now!”

  100. 100.

    dnfree

    @Shalimar: in the old days fifty years ago, someone (human) did page layout—where on the page, how much space, size of headline for each story.  News stories were written so the most important information came first.  If the reporter had written an eight-column-Inch story and the page layout allowed six column-inches, the bottom two inches was cut—no rewrite.  The size of type and number of lines for the headline was specified, and in those days the letters had different widths, so if you wanted to use a “w” it took the most space, and an “I” took the least.  Working on the copy desk, you had to come up with an appropriate title for the story that also fit the space and line layout, and you didn’t have much time to do it. Headlines were an art in those days.  That’s how headlines got “jab” instead of “shot” or “injection”.

  102. 102.

    sdhays

    @Brachiator: The only reason I think Trump might not have sold classified documents is that he’s a shitty businessman and probably gave them away for free. If, miraculously, none have made their way to enemy intelligence services, it’s because he didn’t comprehend the value of what he had and said intelligence services are, frankly, embarrassingly incompetent.

    On the other hand, I’m convinced that Jared sold stuff to the Saudis, at least, although that may have happened while his father-in-law was still squatting in the Oval Office. I wonder when we’ll find out about that.

  103. 103.

    Brachiator

    @Geminid:

     I would add that Republicans would like nothing better than for Democrats to advocate rooting out the Christian religion.

    Mainstream Democrats don’t care. However, many evangelicals and other conservatives are hot to bring religion back into the public sphere. They are eager to reinstate school prayer and believe that deeply held Christian values should have priority over other beliefs in the workplace.

  104. 104.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Brachiator: I first got stung by a wasp when I was 4 yo standing in line at a NF outhouse. 3 people ahead of me but I got it right on the neck. Took off screaming like a banshee and almost got run over by a car. My older brother got swarmed by yellow jackets once, I don’t remember the particulars of that. The result for both of us was that we hated all stinging insects with an unquenchable white hot rage. When ever we found a nest, we had to destroy it. It didn’t matter if we got stung or how often, we were going to kill as many as we could.

    I’m a little more live and let live now but if I find a nest in an area that I frequent, I’m killing it.

  105. 105.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Bupalos: He is messy. He’s a disgusting f’n pig who has never had to clean up after himself. That’s what maids and lawyers are for.

  107. 107.

    Brachiator

    @sdhays:

    The only reason I think Trump might not have sold classified documents is that he’s a shitty businessman.

    Agreed. Trump is basically a small time grifter who, as has already been proven, mainly wants to use the Top Secret covers as stupid knick knacks at various Trump properties.

    But because he is essentially a mentally unstable child he believes that he has a right to plunder and keep any government material he desires.

    But yeah, other people in his circle would have no problem with selling off classified documents. Young Jared and others know that they are sitting on a gold mine.

  108. 108.

    gwangung

    @Kay: Because the followers are not well informed and take cues from their leaders, who are more interested in clubbing the established powers, which would enable the leaders to gain more influence.

    Like right wing ideologues, it’s a matter of grabbing more power and not the issue itself.

  109. 109.

    opiejeanne

    @OzarkHillbilly: That’s terrible!

    Lemon trees in Ohio? Tall ones? I think the Guardian got the species of tree wrong because the biggest ones only grow to about 20 feet tall.

  110. 110.

    Amir Khalid

    @Brachiator:

    Per his Wikipedia entry, he skipped third and ninth grades, and graduated high school at 16, before going on to college and Harvard Law. Also, too, he started a nationally syndicated column when he was 17 and had written two books by age 21. He is also a mediocre-at-best violinist and a hopelessly untalented writer of fiction.

  111. 111.

    Elizabelle

    @Brachiator:

    who, as has already been proven, mainly wants to use the Top Secret covers as stupid knick knacks at various Trump properties.

    That has not been proven AT ALL.  However, it is very much what the FTF NY Times, and many other enablers, want us to think.

    Is there proof for your assertion?  Trump could have many reasons for holding those documents, beyond interior decorating.

  112. 112.

    Kay

    Ken Thomas
    @KThomasDC
    ·46m
    New @WSJ
    poll shows more support for legalized abortion following the Supreme Court’s overturning of Roe v. Wade, potential impact on midterms

    Big, big miss by political media and pundits, deciding that womens agency and autonomy didn’t matter to voters.
    They’re out of touch with the country. Political media are much more conservative and rigidly conventional than most Americans are on womens rights.

  115. 115.

    Geminid

    @Brachiator: I understand the need to combat the imposition of religion in our civic life. But going on a more general campaign of suppressing the Christian religion, as the commenter advocates, would be  very much a losing political strategy.

  116. 116.

    Kay

    @gwangung:

    The absence of commentary is always a good test. Not what they put in. What they leave out. They care deeply about Yemen and drone strikes, right? So wouldn’t they notice (and back) a cease fire and fewer drone strikes?  Why would any politician take a political risk like Biden did on Afghanistan if anti war people can’t be bothered to back the politician up?

    They should have flooded with backup to somewhat push back against pro-war media and Republicans who ferociously attacked Biden for months for daring to end that war. They suck as political allies.

  117. 117.

    sdhays

    @Kay: Don’t worry. They’ll address this failure by hiring more former Trump administration officials as “analysts”.

  119. 119.

    germy shoemangler

    @sdhays:

    “The View” recently hired Alyssa Farah Griffin as their full-time conservative.

    Wanda Sykes was scheduled as a guest but she refused to appear because she didn’t want to be part of Griffin’s reputation laundering.  Good for Wanda.

  120. 120.

    CaseyL

    Good morning from the Left Coast!

    Drizzly day so far here in Seattle, which is good because I have sworn a mighty oath to do some floor cleaning today. (I’m not the world’s worst housekeeper, but can’t rank any higher than middle quintile.) Also laundry. Those are my two goals for the day.

  122. 122.

    Kay

    @Baud:

    I will never forget how all of political media just blithely dismissed basic bodily autonomy and agency for women. They all lined up to insist that inflation was much more important. Jesus. Talk about telling on yourself.

    They haven’t invested anything in covering it as an issue. It’s all unpaid opinion pieces where women have to basically open a vein and reveal their most personal stories in orer to get printed and it’s free to the outlet. They don’t even fucking pay us for writing.

    In order to get the NYTimes to cover this NATIONAL issue women must reveal some incredibly personal story about their own pregnancy and expose themselves to all kinds of backlash and exposure.

  124. 124.

    Mike E

    @2liberal: I heartily recommend the animated Trek: Lower Decks, the junior officers embrace Klingon culture to the point of playing (pirated knockoff) Klingon RPGs, fun

  125. 125.

    geg6

    @Suzanne:

    Stop anyone on the street and ask directions and you’ll get something like “go dahn ‘at street and make a left then a quick right where the Isaly’s used to be.  That’s a one way street so you have go ‘round the block to where the Gulf station used to be and park near there.  But if there’s a parking chair, you’ll have to find another space.  Go Stillers!”

  127. 127.

    Scout211

    F-POTUS responded to Barr just like you would expect. Link

    Does he have these diatribes ready to go, only needing to plug in the latest name of the former ally.  These statements are all starting to sound the same.  Boring. . .

    Why it matters: Barr was once considered an ally of Trump while serving as attorney general during his administration from 2019 to 2020.

    What he said: “Bill Barr had ‘no guts,’ and got ‘no glory.’ He was a weak and pathetic RINO, who was so afraid of being Impeached that he became a captive to the Radical Left Democrats,” Trump wrote Friday night in a TruthSocial post, suggesting Barr is a “Republican In Name Only.”

    • “Barr never fought the way he should have for Election Integrity, and so much else. He started off OK as A.G., but faded fast – Didn’t have courage or stamina. People like that will never Make America Great Again!” the former president wrote.

  128. 128.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Elizabelle: Is there proof for anybody’s speculations? I know he’s lazy, a true pig and a self indulgent moron who’s only goal in life is to assuage his manifest insecurities. Having those documents gives him bragging rights, that alone is enough for him to want to steal them. Is he capable of doing something else with them ? Given the motivation, sure. But given his aversion to reading it would not surprise me in the least if he has no idea at all what is in any of them.

    All of which in my mind makes it all worse, because some of the people around him surely do and they already have all kinds of motivations.

  131. 131.

    Raven

    @WaterGirl: CVS and Walgreens have started offering the shots. Both chains are scheduling appointments online, and say more slots will be added as they get shipments of the vaccines.

  132. 132.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Betsy: Not too bad the past few days. Thanx for the tip but I’m not sure sleeping at my desk is a good idea for my back. ;-)

  133. 133.

    sdhays

    @germy shoemangler: Yes, good for Wanda!

    What really chaps my ass is the hiring spree these assholes went on “in anticipation of the ‘inevitable’ Republican wave” coming in November. Now, the Democrats are favored to hold the Senate (at least from where I’m sitting) and the House is toss-up, with trends heading towards the Democrats.

    If you’re shocked by this turn of events and watching politics is your day job, you should just quit and go make (or just drink) wine in Oregon. I was saying this last year, when they started writing the Democratic majority’s epitaph, and I have a day job and a 3 year old. We KNEW that a major rollback on abortion rights was coming this year, at minimum. We KNEW there was more to come out about January 6. We had just witnessed how unforeseen things could all of a sudden become the most important story in the world for YEARS.

    And yet these stupid, lazy assholes just assumed “ho hum, back to the old cadence, actual events don’t matter”.

  135. 135.

    Frankensteinbeck

    I expect to hear the word ‘cudlip’ any minute now.

    @Geminid:

    I have a new theory on who tipped the FBI off as well:  I’m on team ‘Trump shows them off to feel like he’s still president’ and the tip-off came from someone he gave a signed classified document to.  It is SO easy to imagine him doing that and the recipient being horrified.  Yes, there are people sure he can’t be so bad until he gives away national secrets right in front of them.  Or the recipient just didn’t want to be legally liable.

  136. 136.

    Elizabelle

    @OzarkHillbilly:  Everything is supposition at this point.  Which is why brachiator’s blithe assertion of Trump’s “proven” reasons for retaining classified material set me off.

    Please do not explain away, by virtue of mental and personality quirks, what might have a darker reason for having occurred. Why be helpful in furthering a false narrative?

    We just don’t know.

  137. 137.

    Dave

    @Kay: If I had to guess it’s the classic “he’s not doing it the right way or for the right reasons” sure Biden is not looking for fights and is winding down a lot of the dumber ones but he doesn’t come out and say things like “The American Empire is worse than Hitler!” so it doesn’t count.  And he’s not going to cut the DoD budget by 95% etc. etc.

    So really the classic if it’s not exactly what I want it’s not only not good enough it’s worthless.

    Probably a side order of only being able to view the government as the bad guy so not really able to adapt when the government starts doing things they want or stops doing things they don’t want it to do as the case may be.

  138. 138.

    eclare

    @WaterGirl:   I read that around 1M doses were shipped on Wednesday, with more shipments next week.  I have gotten all of my vaccines at Walgreens, so I’ll start checking its website next week.

    ETA what Raven said.

  139. 139.

    WaterGirl

    @OzarkHillbilly: He outsources the reading and sorting and summarizing of documents to Jared.  Which only makes it worse, because you know Jared “skimmed” the “best” stuff off the top and sold it to the Saudis.

  143. 143.

    Elizabelle

    @OzarkHillbilly:  You could load up the youtube via your phone, no? You don’t need the visual, only the soothing voice.

    Anyway, I hope you are getting good sleep, no matter how.

  145. 145.

    eclare

    @Frankensteinbeck:   Kid Rock even said he wondered why and if TFG should be showing him some maps, I think of DPRK.

    I don’t for a second think that he alerted the FBI, but if Kid Rock thought it was weird, surely others did too.

  147. 147.

    Brachiator

    @Geminid:

    But going on a more general campaign of suppressing the Christian religion, as the commenter advocates, would be  very much a losing political strategy.

    This is a non issue. No sane liberal or Democrat has any desire to try to suppress Christianity.

    On the other hand, some conservatives absolutely want to impose Christianity on all Americans, and don’t care if this offends or oppresses people of other faiths.

  148. 148.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @WaterGirl:

    He outsources the reading and sorting and summarizing of documents to Jared.

    I wonder.  Jared has more patience and less “me me me NOW” than Trump, but that’s a cthonian bar.  He’s still gob-smackingly stupid and entitled.  To put it another way, I doubt Jared reads past the titles.  Trump gets bored reading the titles.

  150. 150.

    Geminid

    @Frankensteinbeck: The background of this story interests me, and I hope we learn more about it. I think we will, although if the CIA or NSA played a part, that will not be revealed in court filings, I believe.

    I think the story of who besides trump handled these documents is important. I’m not speaking here of unauthorized outsiders sneaking in, but of trump henchmen who helped him. Were they working for a third party in addition to trump? Is so, did trump know?  What we see now could be the tip of a very large, ugly iceberg.

  151. 151.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    I also think it proves that their priority was always to bitch about how evil America is, not the thing they say makes America evil.

    more specifically: their politics is being too righteous for the dread Democratic Establishment.

  154. 154.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Geminid:

    I think the story of who besides trump handled these documents is important.

    100% agree.  Jared isn’t the only person who might look at Trump’s insistence on pretending he’s still president and see a gold mine.  From the sounds of things, the answer is ‘everyone who wanted to.’

  155. 155.

    Ken

    @Brachiator: On the other hand, some conservatives absolutely want to impose Christianity on all Americans

    Sadly the celebratory party ended abruptly when the Supreme Court Six entered and the president of Liberty University loudly said “Who invited them? This is for Christians, not Catholics.”

    One month later, an estimated 18,000 people had been burned at the stake by the dozens of ecclesiastical “courts” that had sprung up, and another 50,000 had died in church bombings and shootings.

  157. 157.

    WaterGirl

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Agree that Jared is gob-smackingly stupid and entitled.  Jared may never have read an entire book in his life.

    But I would bet good money that Jared’s greed and his high opinion of himself would lead him to read through the documents to find the “best” ones he could profit from.  Or perhaps reading through them with an eye for who he could best approach with this information, or that information.

    Russia?  The Saudis?  So many choices!

  159. 159.

    Geminid

    @Frankensteinbeck: It’s possible that trump was under orders to let a particular bent minion access the papers. I think the DC grand jury will subpoena people in trump’s orbit to answer this and other questions.

    There was reporting that this Spring investigators interviewed at least four members of trump’s White House staff about the documents. Next will be the people with knowledge of how the materials were handled once the orange churl had them taken from the White House. That may be happening now.

  160. 160.

    WaterGirl

    @zhena gogolia: I’m sure that will expand.

    I am as anxious to have this booster as the next person, but since this is a new vaccine, I am gonna let other people be on the “bleeding edge” with this booster for a couple of weeks before I get mine.

  162. 162.

    zhena gogolia

    @WaterGirl: I have to get through the first two weeks of school.

    My freshman advisees came to my office with no masks — I had to provide them. They seemed shocked (although I had e-mailed them ahead of time and asked them to mask). Apparently the university is not highlighting the need to bring masks (to put it mildly).

  163. 163.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    If you’ve been following the story in Tupelo about the guy who was threatening to crash his small plane into WalMart, he has landed the plane, is alive and in custody. Sounds like no one was hurt

    Pugs Moran: Live 12pm/9pm (cst) PugsCast.com @pugsandco 2m

    If you are watching cable news for coverage of this Tupelo plane situation. You are about 15 mins behind the rest of us. CNN is still reporting it as circling.
    The plane is on the ground. Landed safely. Pilot in custody.
    CNN doesnt know this yet. But you do.

  164. 164.

    Kay

    @Dave:

    I confess I don’t follow foreign policy that closely though and Biden’s “evolution” is an interesting story even to me. Not brand new either- Biden opposed Obama’s troop “surge” in 2009. Internally,  in discussions, but it was widely reported that Biden opposed.

    Biden is a convert. He veered from the Democratic version of “hawkish” to something else between 2001 and 2009. One would think an “antiwar” faction would find that worth mentioning.

  165. 165.

    livewyre

    Funny how quick guess-who disappears as soon as it’s pointed out that wedging off churches is a suppression tactic. Give it a day.

  166. 166.

    Scout211

    @Geminid: I don’t know if this is related to that but news sites have been reporting this for the past couple of days.

    CNN)Within a week of the FBI search of former President Donald Trump‘s Mar-a-Lago resort, former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows handed over texts and emails to the National Archives that he had not previously turned over from his time in the administration, sources familiar with the matter tell CNN.

    Meadows’ submission to the Archives was part of a request for all electronic communications covered under the Presidential Records Act. The Archives had become aware earlier this year it did not have everything from Meadows after seeing what he had turned over to the House select committeeinvestigating January 6, 2021. Details of Meadows’ submissions to the Archives and the engagement between the two sides have not been previously reported.

    “It could be a coincidence, but within a week of the August 8 search on Mar-a-Lago, much more started coming in,” one source familiar with the discussions said.

  167. 167.

    Salty Sam

    @Brachiator:   The father of a guy I worked with was mowing a vacant lot that had an abandoned shed on it.  When he passed the shed, the mower’s motor pissed off the massive hive of Africanized bees inside.  They swarmed on him, and he died before EMTs could get him to the hospital.  Oscar said his dad’s mouth and throat were full of bees.
    Lots of ways to go, this isn’t a good one…

  172. 172.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Elizabelle: Please do not explain away, by virtue of mental and personality quirks, what might have a darker reason for having occurred. Why be helpful in furthering a false narrative?

    I would say to people that they should not be harmful by asserting “darker reasons” for what may very well be just rank stupidity, because people will take that narrative and in their minds make it fact. If in the end fairly minor charges are filed and get plea bargained down to a slap on the wrist and a legally binding agreement to go the fuck away, people will get upset because reasons.

    trump is not some super mastermind spy. He’s a moron. A dangerous moron but still a moron. One who is easily manipulated but a moron none the less.

  175. 175.

    germy shoemangler

    "Ex-Trump Campaign Advisor and Pundit Boris Epshteyn Is a ‘Necessary and Material Witness’ to 2020 Election Probe, Fulton County DA Says"

    A dive into the investigation's latest filing, @LawCrimeNews. https://t.co/YluFmhwmkr

    — Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) September 2, 2022

    I remember when my local Sinclair station featured Epshteyn as a senior political analyst.

  176. 176.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @WaterGirl: ​Nope, I refuse to have a phone that is smarter than me and I have no desire to throw an expensive tablet against the wall because the touch screen hates me.

  178. 178.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Elizabelle: I have a flip phone, I wouldn’t know how to do it. I don’t even know if I could do it. TBH I don’t want to know either. I’m a luddite. It’s a miracle I haven’t smashed this computer into a thousand pieces.

  179. 179.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @OzarkHillbilly: what’s the old saw? “If you look around the table and don’t see the mark, that means you’re the mark”? that line could have been written about Jared.

    I do wonder if his old man isn’t smart enough to “lose” the money into some warren of dummy companies, but then again maybe he doesn’t want to fuck with Prince Bonesaw

  180. 180.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @OzarkHillbilly: if those relaxing noises work for you, I got an alarm clock with three or four settings– rain storm, crackling fire, wind in the trees, birds chirping– for about $25 bucks. Alas, those noises don’t work for me.

  182. 182.

    Sure Lurkalot

    @Raven: I got a text from a Kroger affiliate where I got a couple of jabs that I was eligible to make an appointment. When I think back on how hard it was to get an appointment for the first shot, this is both good and bad. Good that it’s easy but it’s easy because the US has little interest in getting boosted.

  187. 187.

    Betsy

    @opiejeanne:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Basswood, lime, linden, tilia — all the same type of tree.  It’s what linden-flower tea is made from.

    There’s a European species and American species as well.  It’s a beautiful, stately, sculptural tree when grown.

    I guess it’s no surprise bees would live in one – the small whitish flowers are sweetly scented and very bees-y in the spring.

    Feel sorry for that poor guy.

  188. 188.

    SeattleDem

    @zhena gogolia: Seattle rain is somewhere between dense fog and light mist. The only sound is squelching walkers. There’s a reason we can have it for 100 days in a row and not float away.

  190. 190.

    Geminid

    @Scout211: One “unkown” now is Mark Meadows’ status. Has he flipped, or are his attorneys negotiating with prosecutors?  There was a story a few weeks ago that word had gone out among trump’s confidants that they should stop talking to Meadows. And before he clammed up, Meadows provided the J6 Commitee a lot of materials. Even then he may have been  conflicted in his loyalty to trump.

    I think Meadows was more of an opportunist than a fanatic like Roger Stone. Meadows can see that he basically ruined his life when he gave up a safe Congressional seat to take trump’s Chief of Staff job. Now it may not be a question of whether Meadows will serve prison time, but rather how much.

  191. 191.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Geminid: IANAL, and all the law seems to revolve around the murky question of intent, but I imagine Cassidy Hutchison’s testimony, followed by Cipollone’s and the tough-talking guy whose name escapes me (hire a good fucking criminal lawyer) turned up some heat on Meadows

  193. 193.

    Scout211

    Ugh.  Jared’s constant presence in the media during his book tour is kind of nauseating.

    For some reason, every time I hear him talk or see his face on an article, I want to say to him, “To tell you the truth, I think you are just whining.”

  194. 194.

    Geminid

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I read that in April Meadows told a group of people that he and his wife have been “humbled.” I think he was speaking at a prayer breakfast. It sounded like the kind of event business owners attend, so maybe Meadows was letting people know he needed a job and wasn’t going to be choosy.

  197. 197.

    Chris Johnson

    @eversor: weird talking point but ok

    Troll farms must really be grasping at straws at this stage. It’s increasingly hard to even frame effective nonsense, these days, to further their cause.

  198. 198.

    Marc

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: more specifically: their politics is being too righteous for the dread Democratic Establishment.

    Tis funny, I was in a crowd of half a million or so people protesting the impending Iraq war in San Francisco with my wife and my then 4 year old daughter back in ’03.  Not a single Democratic politician or organization could be bothered to help organize it or show up for it.  The organizing was left to the Socialist Workers Party and other groups you folks laugh at.  As we know, exactly one national Democratic politician (who, thankfully, is our congressperson) ended up voting against the AUMF.

    A few months ago I was at a protest, with wife and now 23 year old daughter and a few thousand other people a week after the Dobbs leak.  Once again, not a single Democratic politician or organization could be bothered to help organize it or show up for it.  That was left to the SWP and various LGBQT groups.

    More to the point, a few months ago I stumbled across a tiny anti-Yemeni war protest at a local park.  That one was organized by Yemeni refugees and a few very young SWP members.  A few commenters from another “liberal” blog that I sometimes read stumbled across the same protest.  They commented that they couldn’t understand what the protest was about and laughed about it.

    The anti-war movement and its publications are a shadow of their former selves.  “They” used to be “us”, but no more, the “Democratic Establishment” made them irrelevant by treating their concerns as jokes, unless they see a good opportunity to gather more votes.

    Let’s also remember, that while there is something of a cease-fire in Yemen, there is also a civil war in Ethiopia that is killing more people on a daily basis than the war in Ukraine.  No one here cares.

  199. 199.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Marc:

    Tis funny, I was in a crowd of half a million or so people protesting the impending Iraq war in San Francisco with my wife and my then 4 year old daughter back in ’03.  Not a single Democratic politician or organization could be bothered to help organize it or show up for it.  The organizing was left to the Socialist Workers Party and other groups you folks laugh at.  As we know, exactly one national Democratic politician (who, thankfully, is our congressperson) ended up voting against the AUMF.

    the fact that you don’t know the difference between the AUMF for Afghanistan  (9/18/01) and the AUMF for Iraq (10/16/02) spares me from having to read the rest of your comment. And kinda proves my point. Thanks for getting to it in the first paragraph. And keep on keepin’ it real. Man.

  200. 200.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Of course, one Establishment Democrat who famously opposed the Iraq War: Presdinent Barry DRONZE!

  201. 201.

    John S.

    @SeattleDem: Having just moved to the PNW from South Florida, I find all the talk about Seattle rain hilarious. The rain is so much worse in FL (heavy monsoon-like thunderstorms), but nobody goes on and on about it the way people go on about the rain in Seattle.

  203. 203.

    James E Powell

    @germy shoemangler:

    I remember when my local Sinclair station featured Epshteyn as a senior political analyst.

    Brief confusion as the image of a green sign with a dinosaur on it flashed into my head. “Why would a gas station . . . oh wait, that Sinclair.”

  204. 204.

    Marc

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: the fact that you don’t know the difference between the AUMF for Afghanistan (9/18/01) and the AUMF for Iraq (10/16/02) spares me from having to read the rest of your comment. And kinda proves my point. Thanks for getting to it in the first paragraph. And keep on keepin’ it real. Man.

    Thank you for proving my point.

  208. 208.

    Geoduck

    @Brachiator: It’s already been noted, but DS9 showed how messed up the Klingon empire actually had become, even as it fought with the Federation against the Dominion. It finally reached the point where Worf had to kill the current leader and put someone more competent (not himself) in place.

  209. 209.

    opiejeanne

    @SeattleDem: Sometimes, but it has rained hard enough here that the tops of our grass was below water and the decorative little dry creek had water in it for a week.  Also. it rained hard enough last winter that all of our moles left town.

  210. 210.

    Marc

    @Marc: Thank you for proving my point.

    Just to be clear, I’m not an SWP member, never have been, and don’t particularly like what they represent.  The point was that they are about all that really remains of a once vibrant SF Bay Area anti-war movement.

  211. 211.

    Kay

    The New York Times
    In Opinion: “In my 28 years analyzing elections, I’ve never seen anything like what’s happened in the past two months in American politics: Women are registering to vote in numbers I’ve never witnessed,” writes writes @tbonier
    .

    In “opinion” so no substantive coverage of the fact that US women in more than ten states now receive substandard, NOT “best practices” medical care for reproductive health due to the demands of religious zealots. They get low quality medical care now, medical care that risks their lives and doesn’t meet modern standards.

    It just isn’t important enough to cover that.

  213. 213.

    J R in WV

    @Brachiator:

    On the other hand, some conservatives absolutely want to impose Christianity on all Americans, and don’t care if this offends or oppresses people of other faiths.

    The problem is that the “Christianity” the RWNJs want to impose is no such thing. The current threocratic patriarchal beliefs of the Right Wing have nothing to do with the teachings of Christ in any ancient version of the Bible.

    There may be some new “Calvinist translations” that allow for hate of Jews and the colored proples,  the subservience of women, the sexual abuse of children and young men and women by pastors, but I can confidently say that it is not actual Christianity, which requires the comfort of the poor and wretched, the refugees, and the acceptance of prostitutes, etc.

    How we get from where we are back to real Christianty is beyond my level of expertise? But perhaps the shifting tides of people and megachurches will move in that direction so long as there are real Christians preaching the real gospel out there. I know there are some out there, some of them are friends of mine. Liberal friends, actually, who believe what they read in the original Aramaic and Greek and Hebrew.

  214. 214.

    Citizen Alan

    @rikyrah:  5 years?!? Molly ivins wrote back in 1992 about how baby killer was the nicest thing ianyone n the Texas GOP would say about Bill Clinton!

  215. 215.

    Citizen Alan

    @2liberal:  In TOS, the Klingons were basically Space Chinese, while the Romulans were Space Russians.  It all came full circle with Mitt Romney, who was the bastard child of a Ferenghi and a Cardasian.

  216. 216.

    The Lodger

    @Suzanne: if you think western Pennsylvania ignores newcomers, try eastern Pennsylvania.  The hardest part of living there was figuring out the road directions everyone else has known since birth.  My favorite was the turn two miles past where (landmark) used to be.

  217. 217.

    Kay

    @rikyrah:

    The complete lack of concern for womens lives is just shocking. This is the modern standard for treatment of ectopic pregnancy, from the Mayo Clinic site:

    A fertilized egg can’t develop normally outside the uterus. To prevent life-threatening complications, the ectopic tissue needs to be removed. Depending on your symptoms and when the ectopic pregnancy is discovered, this may be done using medication, laparoscopic surgery or abdominal surgery.

    Women now have to beg and plead and wait 12 hours to allow religious extremists to negotiate with lawyers before this care is available to them. It can be denied, and everyone concerned can just watch her die a horrible, painful death due to massive and systemic infection that was completely avoidable.

    Not covered by media. No paid employees at major media assigned to work on this. Not important enough.

  218. 218.

    Brachiator

    @Elizabelle:

    RE: who, as has already been proven, mainly wants to use the Top Secret covers as stupid knick knacks at various Trump properties.

    That has not been proven AT ALL.  However, it is very much what the FTF NY Times, and many other enablers, want us to think.

    There is an MSNBC news clip that shows a Top Secret cover in a display case at Trump’s “45” bar in one of his hotels.

  219. 219.

    Another Scott

    @Brachiator: It’s a public bar at TFG Tower in NYC.

    Business Insider version of the story.

    They’re stupid enough to use a real thing and not a simulation, aren’t they?? Maybe the DoJ should ask for another search warrant…

    Thanks for the pointer.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  220. 220.

    Geminid

    @Brachiator: I know this is a non issue in a practical sense. If you followed the comments leading up to mine you’d see it was discussing someone here who is obsessed with this approach.

    I am aware of attempts by some Christians to impose their beliefs on civil society, maybe even as much as you are.

  221. 221.

    NutmegAgain

    Hardly original, and late to the party–but that NYT headline under the Zeddy tweet is really one that DougJ missed.  Or maybe they grabbed it from the Pitchbot twitter feed.

  223. 223.

    Stephen

    @Amir Khalid: Ah – matoko-chan – I remember her dropping off the radar when her favourite author, Neal Stephenson released “REAMDE”. It attacked a few of the things she held dear.

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