Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Republicans in disarray!

One of our two political parties is a cult whose leader admires Vladimir Putin.

Sitting here in limbo waiting for the dice to roll

There is no right way to do the wrong thing.

Of course you can have champagne before noon. That’s why orange juice was invented.

If you cannot answer whether trump lost the 2020 election, you are unfit for office.

Tick tock motherfuckers!

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

Republicans are the party of chaos and catastrophe.

T R E 4 5 O N

You are so fucked. Still, I wish you the best of luck.

He imagines himself as The Big Bad, Who Is Universally Feared… instead of The Big Jagoff, Who Is Universally Mocked.

One lie, alone, tears the fabric of reality.

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

They think we are photo bombing their nice little lives.

Today in our ongoing national embarrassment…

“Everybody’s entitled to be an idiot.”

A democracy can’t function when people can’t distinguish facts from lies.

I like political parties that aren’t owned by foreign adversaries.

When your entire life is steeped in white supremacy, equality feels like discrimination.

I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.

This must be what justice looks like, not vengeful, just peaceful exuberance.

Everything is totally normal and fine!!!

An unpunished coup is a training exercise.

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Changing Public Opinion Open Thread: Hillary Was Right All Along

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Normal people never hated Hillary Clinton with anywhere near the fervor of Our Media Betters, who didn’t want the person in the Oval Office to be someone who already knew (and didn’t appreciate) all their favorite high-school-clique tactics. The press, in general, adored TFG, because he made their jobs ‘fun’ and easy.

But now it looks — even to the Media Village Idiots — like that guy just might’ve been a liability to our democracy, which would be okay if that didn’t mean the media cheerleaders might get down-rated as well by the fickle viewing public.

Time for a reset! I’ll take it; I’m just glad Clinton gets the chance to say I TOLD YOU SO while she’s still able to enjoy it.

(I don’t endorse this, but I appreciate it… )

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  2. 2.

    Cacti

    Nobody hated Hillary as much as media and the Bernfeelers.

    How dare she win more votes than grandpa goodness!

  3. 3.

    FastEdD

    A colleague said about Hillary, “She sure is ugly.” What and you think TFG is good looking? What does that have to do with it anyway? Idiot.

  4. 4.

    Old School

    Why do they keep asking Hillary Clinton if she is going to run again?  Was John Kerry ever asked that after 2004?

  7. 7.

    rikyrah

    Hillary was right…

     

    ABOUT EVERYTHING!!!

     

    I know she’s not that petty, but, I would have a t-shirt saying this.

     

    I know I’d buy one…

  8. 8.

    schrodingers_cat

    OT Bad News from India on a personal front.

    SIL, the pathologist is seriously ill. She was found unconscious with stroke like symptoms just after we returned. They found a mass in her brain in an MRI. She will be going under the knife tonight (morning in India).

    Please make a pawcircle and pray to the deity of your choice and keep her in your thoughts

    ETA: She was already dealing with other health issues when we were there.

  12. 12.

    C Stars

    I am still suffering from the heartbreak of not having Hillary for president. I thought she would have been an extremely efficient administrator and positioned our country for generationS of future successes. I don’t give a shit about whether she was likable or not. She was smart and effective and a woman and I think that’s why so many people hated her.

    I am enjoying her public role now as the conscience of our political class. Her intelligence and humor and wisdom is the absolute counterpoint to the almost-decade of batshit crazy and dysfunction that the GOP has given us

     

    @schrodingers_cat: Just saw your post, I am so sorry and will be praying for a good outcome.

  13. 13.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Cacti:

    Nobody hated Hillary as much as media and the Bernfeelers.

    You apparently don’t know many people on the right.

    The vitriol they had towards Hillary, even back in the 1990s, was blinding in its intensity.

  16. 16.

    citizen dave

    We will never be a well-functioning democracy until popular vote determines the President.  Now that some questions get asked about how elections are conducted, we and the media should be constantly asking all candidates if they support popular vote for President.  If No, follow up with questions.

  17. 17.

    lowtechcyclist

    @schrodingers_cat:

    SIL, the pathologist is seriously ill. She was found unconscious with stroke like symptoms just after we returned. They found a mass in her brain in an MRI. She will be going under the knife tonight (morning in India).

    Please make a pawcircle and pray to the deity of your choice and keep her in your thoughts

    I will absolutely be praying for her.  That has to be so scary.

  20. 20.

    The Moar You Know

    A colleague said about Hillary, “She sure is ugly.” What and you think TFG is good looking? What does that have to do with it anyway? Idiot.

    @FastEdD: Attractiveness matters for both men and women, making a difference in everything from personal income to lifespan.  But nowhere does it matter more than in politics, especially for women.

    To level the playing field, let’s take two lunatic GOP women, Boebert and Greene.  Boebert is insane and a Nazi, but rarely gets coverage for her lunacy.  Greene gets pretty constant and negative coverage for her wackiness, and is also insane and a Nazi.  I submit the difference in treatment between two equally deranged examples of the GOP is because of their relative difference in looks.

  26. 26.

    Villago Delenda Est

    The important thing is that TFG was good for ratings, and the short term bottom lines of our mercenary, greedhead media corporations.  Les Moonves came out and flat said this, more or less.

  27. 27.

    UncleEbeneezer

    For those who enjoyed my jazz/funk quartet’s performance of I Got You Babe that I posted yesterday, here’s a short clip of the second half of our rendition of Wayne Shorter’s standard Footprints.

  32. 32.

    Chris Johnson

    I would like Hillary to be ‘Kissinger, but good’ for our time. Live as long, be as comfortable, be turned to by Democratic president after Democratic president for advice and counsel.

    Back in the day I was a naive lefty. To me, it seemed like Hillary was brilliant and tough and fearless, all good things, but I was worried about her being hawkish on Russia, and too conservative on some things.

    HOO BOY did I eat crow. Thank fuck I voted for her: Bernie said to, and I would have said likewise if asked, and I told others to. And at the time I still didn’t understand how wrong I was, I was just extending some faith in a situation where there was no choice but to take the risk.

    It was the way I’d been misled and gaslit that turned out to be the real risk. There had been a Russian disinformation program targeting me and those like me for YEARS and I had known nothing of it. It became visible to me when ‘leftists’ started decrying ‘russiagate’, and once Russia invaded Ukraine it became really obvious who was still huffing fumes and/or actively complicit.

    Hillary knew all this and had said stuff to that effect, long before.

    Hillary was right all along.

    If neoliberal means being hawkish on Russia (it doesn’t, it means a number of economic things that don’t stand scrutiny today and aren’t Dem policy anymore), paint me neoliberal. And can we please ask Hillary how we might put America back together? We seem to have gotten kneecapped pretty good in spite of her warnings. I would like to know how she thinks we should manage Russia now. Now that the masks are dropped and all…

  36. 36.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    HRC’s loss was a huge disappointment for me. She was incredibly well qualified, so it made misogyny slap me in the face. I now doubt that I will live long enough to see a woman president.

  39. 39.

    Baud

    @eversor:

    You have earned a reputation as a hater, but now you are dabbling into lying.  She has many fans here and elsewhere but there’s no general push to have her run again.

  41. 41.

    rikyrah

    @C Stars:

     

    I am still suffering from the heartbreak of not having Hillary for president. I thought she would have been an extremely efficient administrator and positioned our country for generationS of future successes.

     

    She was a grown up Tracy Flick. Competence for days.

     

    I will say it always…

     

    85-90% of our  initial COVID Deaths would not have happened if Hillary had been President.

    I stand by that.

  46. 46.

    Betty Cracker

    I enjoyed the utter contempt Clinton expressed toward Comey starting at about the 1-minute mark on the second clip. I was delighted when she mocked his inability to STFU and do his job. It cuts to the heart of what happened because of Comey’s gigantic ego.

    I was also pleased she noted Comey’s actions “unquestionably” had a negative effect on her campaign (there’s data!) and that she compared his behavior unfavorably to that of the DOJ people who tried to quietly resolve Trump’s egregious abuse of classified material until it became clear Trump’s refusal to cooperate put national security at risk.

    Lots of liberals know Comey is a world-historical putz and egomaniac, but I think that flies under the radar with more folks than not. Especially after Trump tried to vilify Comey for his (Trump’s) own purposes. Being persecuted by that clown allowed Comey to keep his “last honest man in DC” conceit mostly intact. So, I hope it really stings when Clinton calls him out.

    One thing that should never be memory-holed: Comey was fired for mishandling the emails investigation in a way that damaged Clinton, and Comey deserved to be fired for that. Of course, Trump spun it a different way to obscure that fact and cover his own orange ass, but when Trump asked careerist GOP flunky Rod Rosenstein for a post-hoc justification for firing Comey, the mishandling of the Clinton emails case provided the necessary cause.

  49. 49.

    Ken

    Regarding the Hillary Clinton as special master, I saw a follow-on noting that there are tens of thousands of documents involved, far too many for one person to examine in a timely fashion. It suggested that Hillary and Barack Obama could be Trump’s co-masters.

    On the not-so-snarky side, I also saw speculation that the DOJ isn’t going to appeal the Cannon ruling. Instead they’ll rely on Trump’s lawyers being as efficient at meeting the deadline for producing a list of special master candidates as they’ve been at everything else.

  50. 50.

    eversor

    @C Stars:

    This is insane.  Politics is a stupid popularity contest at core.  One of Trumps big win buttons was that he was on the TV.   People though he kicked ass because of a reality TV show.

    Policy does not matter, plans do not matter, ability does not matter.  Only image and hate matter.  We keep not dealing in that and stomping feet that we aren’t in a civil war and we keep getting kicked in the face.

  51. 51.

    Baud

    @Betty Cracker:

    One thing that should never be memory-holed: Comey was fired for mishandling the emails investigation in a way that damaged Clinton, and Comey deserved to be fired for that. Of course, Trump spun it a different way to obscure that fact and cover his own orange ass, but when Trump asked careerist GOP flunky Rod Rosenstein for a post-hoc justification for firing Comey, the mishandling of the Clinton emails case provided the necessary cause.

     
    This.

  53. 53.

    cmorenc

    @lowtechcyclist:

    The vitriol they had towards Hillary, even back in the 1990s, was blinding in its intensity.

    In significant part, it was initially because they thought St. Ronnie (Reagan), followed by poppy Bush & success of Desert Storm, had won the Rs a lasting lengthy hold on the Presidency, and the Clintons were usurpers who only won with 43% of the popular vote because the conservative-leaning vote had split between Bush 38% and Perot 19% – and then Clinton proved maddeningly difficult to take down with manufactured scandals, even the legit one with getting Lewinsky to give him a blowjob and then lying about it on a deposition.  Hillary’s unpopularity with them was initially second-hand smoke from their resentment of Bill, but grew because she was a tough, competent woman.

  59. 59.

    Msb

    What rikyrah said (all of it).
    Hillary’s loss was a bitter lesson for me in the depth of American misogyny, on the left (where I didn’t expect it) and on the right (where I did).  Anybody who wants to show me I’m wrong needs to show me how women don’t still face the kind of s**t that deluged Hillary.
    and she’s 200% right about Comey’s inability to shut up and do his job. Hope the price of his vanity isn’t US democracy.

  60. 60.

    Nicole

    A friend of mine once said of a co-worker, when someone accused them of always “having to be right” that it wasn’t that the co-worker always “had to be right,” it was, in fact, that they usually were right. My friend then added, “And honestly, that’s more annoying.”

    I think about that a lot in regards to reactions to Hillary Clinton, because is she, with very few exceptions, always right.

    Also, fuck James Comey and good on her for not letting him off the hook.  Far as I’m concerned, we can blame him for the excess Covid deaths.

  61. 61.

    Dopey-o

    @rikyrah: 85-90% of our  initial COVID Deaths would not have happened if Hillary had been President.

    Hillary would have been impeached by the GOP for letting 20,000 Americans die of Covid.

  62. 62.

    Josie

    @eversor: ​
     I have always maintained that I didn’t need the pie filter, that I was perfectly capable of scrolling past anything I didn’t want to read. You have defeated me, however, since I realized that I wince whenever I see your nym. No more.

  63. 63.

    rikyrah

    Texas State Police Deflect Blame, Downplay Their Role in Uvalde Shooting Failures
    State troopers outnumbered local law enforcement 2-to-1 outside Robb Elementary, but the Department of Public Safety has blocked the release of records and carefully shaped the narrative to cast local authorities as incompetent.
    by Lomi Kriel, ProPublica and The Texas Tribune, and Zach Despart, The Texas TribuneSept. 6, 7:40 p.m. CDT

     

    Ever since the Uvalde elementary school shooting left 19 students and two teachers dead, blame for the delayed response has been thrust on local law enforcement. The school police chief was fired and the city’s acting police chief was suspended.
    But the only statewide law enforcement agency, the Texas Department of Public Safety, has largely avoided scrutiny even though it had scores of officers on the scene. That’s in part because DPS leaders are controlling which records get released to the public and carefully shaping a narrative that casts local law enforcement as incompetent.

    Now, in the wake of a critical legislative report and body camera footage released by local officials, law enforcement experts from across the country are questioning why DPS didn’t take a lead role in the response as it had done before during other mass shootings and public disasters

    https://www.propublica.org/article/uvalde-shooting-dps-police-texas-rangers?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=majorinvestigations&utm_content=river

  65. 65.

    Matt McIrvin

    @FastEdD: “Ugly” just means “old, and a woman” here, I think.

    I’m pretty sure one of the things that really drove people around the bend about Hillary Clinton when she first appeared on the scene was that she was good-looking, in an early-90s way, but she presented as a feminist and wouldn’t be anyone’s doormat. That makes sexist guys have explodey heads. It’s like the treatment of AOC. I know they’re going to be talking about what a hideous beast she is when she hits 40.

  69. 69.

    Barbara

    @Matt McIrvin: I actually think it was the opposite, at least at first.  Clinton scared the bejesus out of the right wing noise machine because he was a white guy whose bubba qualities appealed to other white men.  He’s like Fetterman.  Focusing hatred on Hillary was just convenient jujitsu.

  70. 70.

    Elizabelle

    @Barbara:   Yes.  Definitely some of that, too.

    Republicans have obfuscated that Bill Clinton was popular, even as he left office.  He was.

    They have to build up “Saint Reagan”, and tear down Democrats.  Repeat so much that they remake the conventional wisdom.

    Looking at what gets hired by major media, they have largely succeeded there. The good side of Republicans.  And Democrats are weak, emasculated wusses. With “special interests.

    We saw that in the ridiculous plea for including Liz Cheney as VP on the Democratic ticket.  WTF?

    They have an actual traitorous security risk as FPOTUS.  But it’s the Democrats who need adult guidance.

    Again, WTF?  What a funhouse mirror they employ.

  71. 71.

    Chris Johnson

    @Miss Bianca: I’m just happy I’m not riding somebody else’s bullshit. And ‘pal’ from you, that means something <3 may I keep a level head more and more as it gets older and grayer, and this is a fine top-10000 blog in which to do it :)

  72. 72.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Matt McIrvin: I think that’s true for people who see (saw) the sixties as the Great Wrong Turn, he was a pot-smoking draft dodger, but she was one of them know-it-all feminists! But I see it, at least to some extent, as the other way around  among their social peers, college-educated white people of a certain age, pundits like Tim Russert and Tweety Mathews, who never served and wished they had because then they could be like John McCain. Maureen Dowd and Cokie Roberts, who probably called themselves feminists (I’m sure in her desperate quest for cultural youth, MoDo would probably call that label cringe now), but hate hate HATED HRC. They felt they should despise that rascal, but he was just so damn good. There was a (maybe apocryphal) quote from Newt Gingrich about being unable to keep up his hate for Bubba in person. Hillary was awkward and earnest and probably a bit of an introvert. She absorbed their misdirected contempt

  73. 73.

    Elizabelle

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:   Hillary’s natural constituency didn’t have much of a microphone, either.

    Meanwhile, MSM was filled with white males, some mediocre, some sexual harrassers, and some good journalists and writers.

  79. 79.

    gvg

    Hillary is not and never was ugly. She was always nice looking, not beauty queen but just well kept nice. There was never any fair reason to make any fuss over her appearance. it always said more about the people who claimed she was ugly’s own character than about her. If she was ugly, it wouldn’t make her wrong or have anything to do with if she would make a good President.

    Back when she was first lady, the attacks on her came across as attacks on all professional women and I am afraid to me they seemed like insults to my mother so I really despised her attackers right from the start. My mother was a teacher and a good one.

    Trump is ugly. I don’t bother to say it or point it out because the problem is he is a mean crook trying to do things that endanger me, mine and the world and has to be stopped. Other ugly people can be quite nice. He isn’t.

  80. 80.

    eversor

    @Nicole:

    Yes voter for the Iraq War, to run for office, fucker up of Syria to run for office, and on and on is “right”.  No the entire Clinton team has been wrong all over the map and then people stomp their footsies that Hillary must get a pass even though she’s part of the cause of Trump, who was her donor till he realized she can’t win a general election on the national scale, and pretend her failed run at president isn’t going to go down as taking down Roe.

    There are great Democratic women who can win.   Even the Clintons telegraph they know they need to go.  But their fans keep sucking them back and and then acting shocked, shocked, shocked, when it backfires.

  81. 81.

    FastEdD

    HRC is a talented, intelligent, and all around awesome person. I am proud to have voted for her. I was illustrating how I had to work with assholes. I refused to have lunch with them and I tried to get them out of my life as much as possible. Intellect is beautiful to me! I fear we may never have a woman President in my lifetime, and I am running out of time. My partner and I have talked about whether sexism or racism is worse. They are both horrible and wrong and deeply rooted in our society, but she believes sexism is even worse.

  82. 82.

    J R in WV

    @schrodingers_cat: ​
     

    Wife now has routine follow-up appointments with Dr Lara, her neurosurgeon, so know the things you are going through. Hoping hard for SIL’s successful surgery and recovery !!

    Modern medicine is often a fantastic success story, hope you get one of those!!

  83. 83.

    Alison Rose 💙🌻💛

    @FastEdD: I hate that, how their go-to issue with her is that she isn’t hot enough. For one thing, can we PLEASE as a society get to the point where a woman’s looks are not the first and often only thing people care about? But also…I happen to think she’s very nice looking.

  84. 84.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Elizabelle: Bill Clinton has become a more problematic figure for liberals now–his personal behavior was appalling in a way that was arguably abusive, and in policy, he was just way to the right of where the Democratic Party is now in a bunch of ways. (Of course, that last was the times. He probably could not have gotten elected otherwise. I know people disagree.)

    So we don’t rush to defend him, necessarily. But Hillary moved on and had a far more liberal platform than Bill by the time she ran for President. And that made Republicans hate her all the more.

  85. 85.

    Matt McIrvin

    @gvg: I keep remembering how when she was First Lady, Fidel Castro gave this rambling interview where he kept going on about how hot Hillary Clinton was. It was pretty weird.

  89. 89.

    J R in WV

    Eversore makes me so glad WaterGirl et al made the pie filter work so smoothly and easily.Watergirl, this guy is ban worthy right now as far as I’m concerned….
    Russian troll is the best case for this deranged and hate-filled typist. A waste of pixels!​​

  90. 90.

    Matt McIrvin

    @gvg: These same guys think of Trump as this handsome paragon of manhood–think of the McNaughton paintings or the Ben Garrison cartoons that portray him as a powerful muscleman. Garrison’s have this bizarre erotic charge.

    Now, as a young guy Trump wasn’t too bad-looking in a “douche villain from an 80s campus comedy” way. But, come on, he’s utterly grotesque today.

  92. 92.

    Brachiator

    But now it looks — even to the Media Village Idiots — like that guy just might’ve been a liability to our democracy, which would be okay if that didn’t mean the media cheerleaders might get down-rated as well by the fickle viewing public.

    The media don’t care. They are busy dismissing Biden’ s warnings as political messaging. Those who are dull, but not entirely stupid look forward to being favored lackeys during the autocracy.

    During Trump’s last big rally, Trump pointed to the reporters at the back of the room and insulted them to their faces, to wild crowd approval. You could easily imagine the media dopes smiling and thinking “We just love it when Trump includes us in the show.”

    Time for a reset! I’ll take it; I’m just glad Clinton gets the chance to say I TOLD YOU SO while she’s still able to enjoy it.

    Trump is a clear and present danger to democracy. We don’t yet know if the people will shrug him off. I am not seeing clear vindication for Clinton.

  97. 97.

    Chief Oshkosh

    @Jackie:

    This. Hillary refused to play Mrs. Ward Cleaver.

    How DARE she!

    Actually, she DID play June well, PLUS she was a good attorney, a fantastic advocate, and a good politician. I always felt that it was because she was a great wife and mother PLUS excelled in so many other arenas that so many people found her threatening.

  98. 98.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    I don’t think it’s hate from the Press or even the Right against Hilary, it’s more like High School Drama.  It comes across like they all have the hots for her and are upset she doesn’t like them (because they are all total assholes).

    I mean who else in American polices has that absurd conspiracy theory were Hilary seduced Vince Foster, forced him to have a gender change operation, then killed him and made it look like he killed himself? I am sure in many Washington bars the words “I could have totally banged Hilary, if she wasn’t such a lezbo” were uttered over and over again.

  99. 99.

    PaulB

    @eversor: But their fans keep sucking them back and and then acting shocked, shocked, shocked, when it backfires.

    Give it a rest and get a fucking life. Your ignorant bigotry has no place here. The fact that you have to lie about Clinton and her “fans” and “backfires,” not to mention your frequent ridiculous diatribes against religion, is sufficient to mark you as either a troll or a deranged idiot. But I repeat myself.

    Either way, this will be my last comment to you. Into the pie filter you go.

  100. 100.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @eversor: We keep not dealing in that and stomping feet that we aren’t in a civil war and we keep getting kicked in the face.

    Remind me when was the last time a US senator from a blue state was horse whipped on the Senate floor or town full of liberals was sacked and all the men murdered by a MAGA militia, or the US army sent to keep the peace in a Purple state, because all of that was happening in the US in the 1850s.

  101. 101.

    StringOnAStick

    @lowtechcyclist: Talk about how things change: I was doing some records research for a landman friend of mine, and some of the really old mining claims were named New Deal #1, 2, etc, all from when The New Deal was implemented and working class people benefited from it.  Then around the time of the Lewinsky BS, there were mine claims named Monica’s Cigar #1, 2 etc.  Until the post WWII era, the workers in the mining industry tended towards pro-union and pro-FDR; since then it has become reactionary RW whackjob land.

  102. 102.

    Kathleen

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: > always felt that MoDo’s pathological of hatred of Bill Clinton had a “He stood me up at prom” vibe. Also White Mediaocracies hated how popular Clinton’s were with Black people. That was their biggest sin of all.

  104. 104.

    livewyre

    Falling back on the formula when the wedge doesn’t work, it seems. We’d better stop liking her or we’ll be sorry. Anyone else afraid?

  105. 105.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Kathleen: Also White Mediaocracies hated how popular Clinton’s were with Black people. That was their biggest sin of all.

    Well that would feed into the “she stood me up at the prom” drama, wouldn’t it?  Then it’s “you only like blacks ’cause you think their cocks are big” and then the resat of us are seeing all these crudely done Wingnut mems trying to emasculate Obama and going WTF?

    I suppose there is a point that Hilary Clinton isn’t that good of politician because she wasn’t able to defuse that insanity, and that’s part of the job (as we just saw with Joe Biden how he inverted Dark Brandon) But then, I know a lot people who didn’t think that highly of Hilary and voted for her anyway in 2016 because Trump clearly sucked bottom.

  108. 108.

    EmbraceYourInnerCrone

    @Old School: Hell, the press even persisted in wanting Chelsea Clinton to promise/swear/write in blood, that she would never run for office.  Apparently if you are female and have the last name Clinton you never get a break.

  109. 109.

    EmbraceYourInnerCrone

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: How does one defuse the insanity of 30 years of the Repubs investigating the Clintons for everything under the Sun and finding nothing, while the Press turn every investigation into breathless headlines designed to put the worst slant on everything.  Example…But Her Emails!!!!  Bengazi!!!

  110. 110.

    evodevo

    @Elizabelle: ​
      Yes, this plus the MSM hounding her for a recipe (???) until she finally gave them some generic choc chip cookie recipe. All part of the right winger kinder, kuchen thingy – wimmens, especially First Ladies, are NOT allowed to have their own careers, or be professionals or competent …

  112. 112.

    Miss Bianca

    @Chris Johnson: People are seldom self-aware enough to realize that they’ve been played, and it’s even more seldom that they’ll cop to it once they realize it. So, y’know, credit where credit is due, and all that.

  114. 114.

    Brachiator

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Bill Clinton has become a more problematic figure for liberals now–his personal behavior was appalling in a way that was arguably abusive, and in policy, he was just way to the right of where the Democratic Party is now in a bunch of ways.

    I was not paying close attention, but I recall pundits continually claiming that Clinton kept co-opting and softening GOP policy. Beating them at their own game while maintaining voter popularity.

    So we don’t rush to defend him, necessarily. But Hillary moved on and had a far more liberal platform than Bill by the time she ran for President. And that made Republicans hate her all the more.

    Clinton had a problem with the lunatic progressives who insisted that she would be a warmonger. Bunch of fools.

  117. 117.

    Chris T.

    @Baud: Hillary ought to reply that she does plan to run again, in the 2176 election for the country’s 400th anniversary.

    (When someone from the press responds that she’d be over 270 years old, she can reply: “And I’ll still be sharper than Trump is today!”)

  122. 122.

    Cmorenc

    @Betty Cracker:

    Yes, Comey should have been fired for his gross mishandling of Clinton’s emails, and that was the nominal reason Trump gave for firing Comey, but Trump’s actual motivation was that Trump did not trust that Comey would not start investigating him

  124. 124.

    SFAW

    @schrodingers_cat: ​
     
    Sorry to hear the terrible news about your SIL. Keeping my fingers crossed for the best outcome possible. [Were I religious, I’d say a bunch of prayers for her.]

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