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Sunday Evening Open Thread: Immigrants Bless America

by Anne Laurie|  September 18, 20225:01 pm| 87 Comments

This post is in: Immigration, Religion, Something Good Open Thread

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Watch the whole three minutes here:

going to shamelessly steal from eric hoffer here, but nobody hates america like americans. we need new immigrants to love and cherish it pic.twitter.com/NtxSI0byG6

— bearded guy that yells at school board meetings (@CalmSporting) September 18, 2022


I get mail asking “how would you feel if New York was full of immigrants”. Also “how would you feel if foreigners were taking a lot of academic positions” https://t.co/Xu4wBJPIRM

— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) September 16, 2022

When you meet someone who’s walked thousands of miles for a chance at the kind of life you have it makes you reconsider both your priorities and station in life. These are incredible people, not people to be afraid of.

— Jort-Michel Connard ?? (@torriangray) September 15, 2022

MAGA world seems less angry about immigration and more pissed that DeSantis’s expensive and hateful stunt of sending people to an off-season island didn’t own the libs, who instead did the Christian thing and took in the strangers and made sure they had food and shelter.

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) September 15, 2022

As Republican governors ramp up their transports of migrants to Democratic-run jurisdictions, the practice is getting a mixed reaction from Christian faith leaders. Many of them, especially evangelicals, have largely backed GOP candidates in elections. https://t.co/pOVyWYclZZ

— The Associated Press (@AP) September 16, 2022

More unsubtle scripting from the Trickster God, for those Followers of Jesus:

The name of the migrant who was turned away and then at long last found help in a distant land is MISTER NAZARETH? https://t.co/90DhCvNMl8

— Sam Biederman (@Biedersam) September 16, 2022

Ardenis Nazareth, newly arrived from Venezuela, was standing in a McDonald’s parking lot across the street from a San Antonio shelter a few days ago contemplating his next steps.

After a monthslong odyssey through seven countries he had finally made it to the United States. It was time to banish from his thoughts the worst moments — when he was robbed at gunpoint and people dropped dead of exhaustion beside him as they crossed a lawless jungle, and when he watched helplessly as his friend was swallowed by the turbulent waters of the Rio Grande, just before touching U.S. soil in Texas.

Now Mr. Nazareth had one objective in mind: make money to support the two young daughters he had left behind.

That is when a well-dressed woman who introduced herself as Perla handed him and about 30 other migrants gift cards for the fast-food restaurant, which they gladly accepted. Then she made an enticing offer: a free flight to a “sanctuary,” he recalled, where there were people to help them get on their feet. The place was called Massachusetts.

Was that close to New York, Mr. Nazareth asked. She assured him that it was, and that onward travel would be available, if that is where he hoped to settle. Yet he was surprised when he found himself on Martha’s Vineyard, a small, picturesque vacation destination in the Atlantic. “I thought I was coming to Boston,” he said. “I ended up on this little island.”…

Venezuelans have been fleeing their country amid political and economic turmoil that has caused widespread deprivation. Nearly seven million Venezuelans, more than a fifth of the population, make up the largest international displacement in the hemisphere’s history. Unlike Central American and Mexican migrants who have been immigrating to the United States in large numbers for a long time, Venezuelans are a recent phenomenon and often have no family or friends to receive them.

The U.S. Border Patrol encountered 110,467 Venezuelans along the southern border in the first nine months of this fiscal year, compared with 47,408 in the entire 2021 fiscal year. They now represent the fastest-growing migrant group to the United States…

“I left my country to support my family,” said Mr. Nazareth, a 34-year-old construction worker. He said that since leaving his home country 18 months ago he had tried to make a living in Peru and Chile. But he could not make ends meet, and word spread among his friends that Venezuelans were managing to enter the United States, where jobs were plentiful…

Not exactly a carpenter… but then, when us ‘real Americans’ remember how many of our ancestors had very similar stories, you’d think we’d be a little more humble about our blessings!

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  1. 1.

    Nicole

    September 18, 2022 at 5:07 pm

    From the AP article about pastors:
    “Government officials who refuse to fulfill their biblical responsibility to protect our borders should be made to feel the effects of their lawless policies,” Jeffress said via email.
    I sure wish the reporter had responded and asked him which Bible verse refers to “protecting our borders.”

  2. 2.

    Yutsano

    September 18, 2022 at 5:17 pm

    That AP article in the tweet is hack central. It pays way too much attention to the MAGA than it does the actual crimes being committed. And fuck any “Christian” endorsing this.

  3. 3.

    Peale

    September 18, 2022 at 5:17 pm

    @Nicole: Venezuelans worship Ba’al, I assume.

  4. 4.

    Alison Rose 💙🌻💛

    September 18, 2022 at 5:18 pm

    That speech was really lovely, thank you for sharing it.

    When I lived in San Francisco, one of the things I loved about it was the amazing diversity of cultures and ethnicities and backgrounds. I lived in the Tenderloin, bordering the Little Saigon neighborhood, not far from Chinatown, and with a large number of Muslim families on the nearby blocks. My office was in the FiDi, also close to Chinatown. Had friends who lived in the Mission with almost entirely Hispanic/Latine neighbors. Hung out in Japantown a lot, etc etc. I could take the one mile bus trip to my office in the morning and hear 2, 3, 4, 5 or more languages spoken by other passengers. I’d walk home and go past restaurants featuring a dozen different cuisines, and see people wearing clothing from a dozen different countries.

    I absolutely loved it, and I will never understand people who hate it. I just wish they would fuck off and leave the rest of us in multicultural peace.

  5. 5.

    SpaceUnit

    September 18, 2022 at 5:19 pm

    So glad that ex-Brit in the video was able to escape the raging dystopian hell of modern England.

  6. 6.

    JanieM

    September 18, 2022 at 5:22 pm

    @Alison Rose 💙🌻💛:

    I could take the one mile bus trip to my office in the morning and hear 2, 3, 4, 5 or more languages spoken by other passengers.

    I worked at home in Maine for a company that had its main office at the edge of Harvard Square. For the last 15 years of my working life I spent at least a week a month in a company apartment right across the street from the office. I used to say I could take a walk to the Square and hear ten languages before breakfast. I loved it.

  7. 7.

    raven

    September 18, 2022 at 5:24 pm

    @Alison Rose 💙🌻💛: Have you seen “La Mission” with Benjamin Bratt?

  8. 8.

    gwangung

    September 18, 2022 at 5:29 pm

    What keeps American universities world class is having faculty from all around the world.

    The nativist, xenophobic right wing is determined to kill every single advantage the United States have and have made US number one in so many categories.

  9. 9.

    RSA

    September 18, 2022 at 5:32 pm

    @Nicole: I caught that as well, and I did a quick Google search of the Bible.  What a charlatan.

  10. 10.

    marklar

    September 18, 2022 at 5:35 pm

    Lou Reed sang about DeSantis, Abbott, and much of the Republican Party back in 1989 in his song “Dirty Boulevard.”

    “Give me your hungry, your tired, your poor, I’ll piss on ’em”

     

    That’s what the statue of bigotry says

     

    Your poor huddled masses, let’s club ’em to death

     

    And get it over with and just dump ’em on the boulevard

  11. 11.

    geg6

    September 18, 2022 at 5:35 pm

    Yep.  Diversity of all kinds is great.  Although I’d thought myself open-minded as a child and teen, going to college in the Oakland district of Pittsburgh really opened my Beaver County girl eyes.  The foods, the clothing, the colors, the music…it was wonderful and an adventure every day.  I loooooooved going to a university in the middle of a city.  Can’t imagine going to a typical college or university centered around a small town.

  12. 12.

    germy shoemangler

    September 18, 2022 at 5:35 pm

    Trump 1993 interview: Well, the gremlins are very fascinating creatures. I've seen the way they work together and they do it fantastically well. You think I'm joking, but I'd hire them if I could.

    Trump 2024 Rally: They're hurting so many people and you can't get them wet!

    — rob (@OkButStill) March 18, 2022

  13. 13.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 18, 2022 at 5:42 pm

    @Nicole: Jeffress is not a Christian.  He’s a Mammon and Moloch worshiper.

  14. 14.

    Baud

    September 18, 2022 at 5:47 pm

    @Nicole:

    Government officials who refuse to fulfill their biblical responsibility to protect our borders nuclear secrets should be made to feel the effects of their lawless policies,” Jeffress said via email.

     
    Fixed.

  15. 15.

    SpaceUnit

    September 18, 2022 at 5:48 pm

    @geg6:

    I grew up in the Pittsburgh burbs.  I was recently trying to explain to someone how every one of the hundreds of little towns that make up the greater Pittsburgh area has its own distinct ethnic roots and history and identity.  Perhaps it’s less pronounced in 2022, but it’s hard for people to understand if they haven’t lived there.

  16. 16.

    Matt McIrvin

    September 18, 2022 at 5:58 pm

    and then the people were mostly quite nice, and the right absolutely lost their minds

    I don’t see them losing their minds, I see them mostly just lying and saying the libs treated them shabbily and were shown to be hypocrites as predicted. The epistemic bubble is seamless.

    And then there’s a minority of very clever moderates saying that since the locals were quite nice it proves that DeSantis was actually being completely reasonable. So they win either way.

  17. 17.

    Frankensteinbeck

    September 18, 2022 at 6:05 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I don’t see them losing their minds

    Twitter is not real life, but I gotta say, on Twitter they’re totally convinced they have owned the libs and proven that Democrats are the real racists.  Which should surprise no one.  The grade school bully mentality does not care about the truth.

  18. 18.

    Josie

    September 18, 2022 at 6:05 pm

    I grew up and later raised my children in majority-minority Rio Grande Valley of South Texas. We all loved the area and the cultural influences there. People who live a totally white bread existence have no idea what they are missing. They also understand nothing about the people they are maligning.

  19. 19.

    Betsy

    September 18, 2022 at 6:09 pm

    I think it was YESTERDAY that I heard some Republican old fool bitching that getting any kind of construction done is impossible now because NO ONE WANTS TO WORK and moreover you can’t find any people with CONSTRUCTION SKILLS

  20. 20.

    Dan B

    September 18, 2022 at 6:15 pm

    @Betsy: We’ve got new neighbors who are latine.  They seem to have a construction company.  There’s a young couple with two young daughters and at least two twenty something guys.  They’re very busy.

  21. 21.

    BeautifulPlumage

    September 18, 2022 at 6:17 pm

    Tampa Bay Rays FTW! (via Popehat)

    https://twitter.com/RaysBaseball/status/1571282963974787072?cxt=HHwWgMC41fvhqM4rAAAA

  22. 22.

    trnc

    September 18, 2022 at 6:17 pm

    Ardenis Nazareth, newly arrived from Venezuela, was standing in a McDonald’s parking lot across the street from a San Antonio shelter a few days ago contemplating his next steps.

    Any chance a security camera may have recorded “Perla” committing her crime?

  23. 23.

    Baud

    September 18, 2022 at 6:18 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

     

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    The power of positive thinking.

  24. 24.

    Citizen Alan

    September 18, 2022 at 6:21 pm

    @geg6: My nine months in Queens was the absolute best nine months of my life. The apartment I stayed in was right on the border between a Jewish neighborhood and a Muslim one. From my balcony, I could hear calls for prayer from one direction and the shofar every Friday afternoon from the other. I loved it. I’d never felt so much a part of the larger human race.

  25. 25.

    KM in NS

    September 18, 2022 at 6:21 pm

    I emigrated to Canada from a Red State. I can say from my experience that when Canadian born people rag on the health system, I whole heartedly support it and compare it to my experiences with the US system. I know I won’t go bankrupt from medical bills. Also, treatment is designed between me and my doctor. Maybe MSI doesn’t cover everything, but as some famous band said:  “ you may not always get what you want but you get what you need”.

  26. 26.

    Jay

    September 18, 2022 at 6:22 pm

    @Betsy:

    That’s a common complaint here.

    What they are actually complaining about is that you can’t find a “qualified” Contractor, because they are all booked up solid for the next 6 months, and won’t work for cheap,

    not like it was in 2008.

    One of my last broken tools, before I was laid off, was two Vietnamese Landscapers who had destroyed a 100 foot sewer snake by running the full cable off the drum, including the mounting cable, destroying the clutch and shearing off the cable.

    Who hires landscapers to snake a sewer drain?

    People who don’t want to pay a Plumber.

  27. 27.

    JoyceH

    September 18, 2022 at 6:25 pm

    @trnc:

    Any chance a security camera may have recorded “Perla” committing her crime?

    I sure hope someone is working on that issue – so many businesses have security cameras, and we know where Perla was. Find a picture, post it online, let the internet sleuths ID her, like they IDed so many of the J6 insurrectionists. She could really blow up the whole scheme. And I suspect she would, if she were to find herself in an FBI interview room.

  28. 28.

    Alison Rose 💙🌻💛

    September 18, 2022 at 6:27 pm

    @raven: I haven’t, but just looked it up and it looks pretty good. You recommend?

  29. 29.

    JoyceH

    September 18, 2022 at 6:28 pm

    BTW, I have CNN on in the living room while I’m working around the house, and I’ve been noticing something. Hurricane Fiona has come ashore at Puerto Rico, and the CNN anchors keep referring to PR as being the home to ‘over three million Americans’. I’m assuming that this is a reaction to Maria, when the bone-ignorant right complained about sending aid to a ‘foreign country’. (The PR grid still sucks, four years after Maria. That island SO needs statehood!)

  30. 30.

    WaterGirl

    September 18, 2022 at 6:29 pm

    @trnc: Let’s hope so!

  31. 31.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    September 18, 2022 at 6:30 pm

    @Alison Rose 💙🌻💛: I could take the one mile bus trip to my office in the morning and hear 2, 3, 4, 5 or more languages spoken by other passengers.

    There was a story I heard about the UK not too long ago. A woman in a hijab is chattering away to a companion on a bus. Some idiot Brit starts yelling at her, “You’re in England, speak English!”

    At which all the other passengers start yelling at him, “We’re in Wales and they’re speaking bloody Welsh!”

  32. 32.

    BeautifulPlumage

    September 18, 2022 at 6:31 pm

    @JoyceH: I hate that they’re getting clobbered but I expect the Biden Administration to get them some real help. Can $$ from the infrastructure bill help with their grid?

  33. 33.

    BeautifulPlumage

    September 18, 2022 at 6:34 pm

    @BeautifulPlumage: I should have added: The Rays held a citizenship ceremony prior to their game last night.

    “…the final step in becoming naturalized US citizens by taking the Oath of Allegiance.”

  34. 34.

    Brachiator

    September 18, 2022 at 6:34 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Twitter is not real life, but I gotta say, on Twitter they’re totally convinced they have owned the libs and proven that Democrats are the real racists.

    The twisted denialism of identifying the “real racists” is a big thing with these people. It gives them permission to be complete bigots.

    Returning to thoughts from an earlier thread, they are like the idiots who say crap like “the people forcing a black Little Mermaid down our throats are the real racists.”

  35. 35.

    Albatrossity

    September 18, 2022 at 6:38 pm

    We are being whip-sawed here in Kansas. Elation and hope after the vote on the constitutional amendment sent a message to the pro-birthers and their minions in the legislature. Horror and dismay as a Koch-fueled anti-education crusade stabs a regional university right in the heart. Fearful that the anti-education zealots will slowly kill off other higher education institutions in the state if the November elections give us another QAnon legislature and a Trump-loving Republican governor.

    But we have new Americans here. Over 100 Afghan refugees have been settled in Manhattan KS so far, and there probably will be more. Just as was the case in Martha’s Vineyard, the local community (across the political spectrum) stepped up to provide food, clothing, toys, housing, and jobs. We have hope.

  36. 36.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 18, 2022 at 6:38 pm

    Immigrants love America more than many native born Americans because they have something to compare it to. Leaving one’s home for whatever reasons is never easy. There is always a tug in two directions.

    Many native born Americans take America for granted.

    Also please don’t tell an immigrant from country x that you like them because you like food from country x. I have had this conversation more than once I and wanted to hurl something but kept smiling politely  instead.

  37. 37.

    cain

    September 18, 2022 at 6:45 pm

    @SpaceUnit: ​
     
    There is a street in Chicago called “Devon Street” it stretches for miles and connects so many ethnic neighborhoods together. Just a wonderful road to ride up on.

  38. 38.

    BeautifulPlumage

    September 18, 2022 at 6:46 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: yikes!

    don’t tell an immigrant from country x that you like them because you like food from country x.

    Sorry some people are such ego-filled idiots.

  39. 39.

    zhena gogolia

    September 18, 2022 at 6:52 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: How about if you say you have a crush on Shah Rukh Khan?

  40. 40.

    Sure Lurkalot

    September 18, 2022 at 6:53 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    So they win either way.

    RePuBs HaZ SuPeRpOwErS, part infinity.

  41. 41.

    KM in NS

    September 18, 2022 at 6:54 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I hear ya! Although that shows interest and I’ll take it! “ Speak southern” is something I’ve heard many times. I just take lemon squares and say “ bless you heart”. Lol.

    seriously, if someone is truly interested I have lots of patience for the questions. Others who mimic a fake accent piss the hell out of me!!

  42. 42.

    geg6

    September 18, 2022 at 6:54 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    If I tell someone I like them because I like their food, it’s because they prepared it for me.  Otherwise, I’m neutral on everyone until I can tell whether I like them or not, regardless of their origins.

  43. 43.

    Dan B

    September 18, 2022 at 6:56 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: And which cuisine?  From Gujarat, Punjab, Kerala, etc.?  These people most likely have no idea.

  44. 44.

    SpaceUnit

    September 18, 2022 at 6:57 pm

    @cain:

    Sounds fun.  I live in the Denver area now.  There’s a few distinctive neighborhoods, but mostly it’s pretty homogeneous and bland.  Plus, everybody here seems to be from somewhere else.

  45. 45.

    Alison Rose 💙🌻💛

    September 18, 2022 at 6:58 pm

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: LOL brilliant.

  46. 46.

    pajaro

    September 18, 2022 at 7:05 pm

    @cain:

    It’s Devon Avenue.

    When I grew up there, the neighborhood was almost entirely Jewish.  A generation later, the building and most of the neighborhood was South Asian in origin, with families trying to do the same thing that my parents and their sibs were doing back in the 1950s.  It blew my mind (in the best possible way) to see the delis replaced by sari shops.

  47. 47.

    Jay C

    September 18, 2022 at 7:06 pm

    @BeautifulPlumage:

    Well, one thing I think we can be reasonably certain of is that Joe isn’t going to go down there for a photo-op and toss them paper towels…..

    But yeah, I would expect that improvements to the PR energy grid are included in the Administration’s infrastructure plans: there are few places that really need it more….

  48. 48.

    Grumpy Old Railroader

    September 18, 2022 at 7:18 pm

    When I was a younger and working a night switch engine in a big rail yard, we encountered any number of hobos, Kings-of-the-road, winos and a fair amount of migrant farm workers just trying to get to the next harvest. All of them used to ask which track had a train going to their destination whether it was grapes in Fresno, lettuce in Salinas or apples in Washington. A few of my fellow railroaders used to delight on sending them on the wrong train. I never found that humorous and would quickly correct the mistake if I knew of it.
    But I have fond memories of one conductor, a crusty old WWII vet named Blinky Haines (yeah, had a weird eye tick but don’t ever call him Blinky to his face). Blinky went out of his way to get each one who asked to the proper train. I have even seen him go get his lunch bucket and hand out food and a couple of dollars to some migrant workers as he explained in his halting Spanish how to look for certain box cars that had doors that were open on both sides. Blinky showed me humility and kindness which helped tamp down the rage I was feeling after returning from Vietnam. There is something about helping fellow travelers in the world that makes both you and the rest of the planet a better place.
    But I still like to put on my very best Grumpy face.​

  49. 49.

    Soprano2

    September 18, 2022 at 7:26 pm

    @Jay: Stingy people pay the most. I bet their line didn’t get cleaned, either.

  50. 50.

    moonbat

    September 18, 2022 at 7:28 pm

    Grew up in northern Oklahoma which was the opposite of diverse. Now I live in S. Philly in a traditionally Italian immigrant neighborhood which over the past few decades has had an influx of Vietnamese, Chinese, and Central American nations and it is awesome! Love to hear all the different languages, see all the different faces, and hear about all the different experiences. Sameness is boring!

  51. 51.

    Soprano2

    September 18, 2022 at 7:37 pm

    @moonbat: Same here as to the lack of diversity where I grew up. Everyone was white and Christian, and most were blue collar workers. I had a friend tell me in high school that I and the superintendent’s son were probably the only two in our class who had a parent who graduated from college. Where I live now is still not that diverse; lots of people get upset when they hear people speaking any language that’s not English. They all know that the Mexican roofing crews do the best work, though.

  52. 52.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 18, 2022 at 7:37 pm

    @Dan B: There are a lot of variations within a state too. Take for example Maharashtra, cuisine of Konkan which is the southern coast of Maharashtra is going to be very different from say Vidharba (in the northeast part of the state).

  53. 53.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 18, 2022 at 7:39 pm

    @KM in NS: Fake accent would piss me off too.

  54. 54.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 18, 2022 at 7:44 pm

    @zhena gogolia: He is awesome!

    Have you seen this one?

    Satrangi re (7 colors of love)

    from Dil Se composed by A.R. Rahman

    quite possibly his best score for a movie.

  55. 55.

    Jay

    September 18, 2022 at 7:46 pm

    @Soprano2:

    Depends. Some stingy people never pay, which is how they get “rich”.

    The sad thing is I knew the Guys, great landscapers, took great care of the lawn equiptment they would rent. Easy to teach.

    Thing is, I wasn’t on shift when they rented the snake, so nobody asked what they were doing, give them basic instruction, (which is all you need), they were just rented the snake, given some bits, (heads) and sent on their way.

    So they didn’t know what they were doing and got in trouble.

    Luckily, they got damage protection, so they didn’t have to pay $750 on top of the rental, got a “new” 100 foot snake and quick training on how to use it for the job they were doing, (tree roots) plus advise to pass on to the Home Owner to forstall another tree root problem for years.

    (too many people here don’t prune their trees, root prune their trees, feet their trees or properly water their trees, or plant willows too close to the house. 2 months with no rain and their drain and sewer lines are clogged with tree roots. Nature finds a way.)

  56. 56.

    kalakal

    September 18, 2022 at 7:51 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: It certainly does me.

    Curiously I’ve never had anyone tell me how much they love Scottish cooking

  57. 57.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 18, 2022 at 7:54 pm

    @kalakal: Someone was joking on Twitter that the Brits went through the trouble of conquering distant lands for spices but their food remained bland and underseasoned.

  58. 58.

    zhena gogolia

    September 18, 2022 at 7:55 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: ooh will watch later

  59. 59.

    Emmyelle

    September 18, 2022 at 7:57 pm

    Well I love Massachusetts, too! Welcome, Mr. Nazareth! You are in good company here. Many residents of teh Commonwealth have come here from afar.

  60. 60.

    Quiltingfool

    September 18, 2022 at 8:01 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I wouldn’t ever tell a person from another country that I liked them because I liked their country’s food – what an odd (and rude) thing to say!

    I’m not a foodie, I’m a fabric addict.  For example, I might tell you how much I admire the gorgeous fabrics and embellishments of Indian clothing, but my admiration of you is about you, not beautiful saris!

  61. 61.

    zhena gogolia

    September 18, 2022 at 8:04 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: wow!

  62. 62.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 18, 2022 at 8:04 pm

    @Quiltingfool: I too love Indian fabrics and weaves especially cottons and silks.

    I love chickankari and the opportunity to buy some chickan tunics.

  63. 63.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 18, 2022 at 8:06 pm

    @zhena gogolia: The words are meaningful too. Everything from the choreography to the costumes and their colors conveys a message.

    That song is a masterpiece, the cinematography and the location is out of the world (Ladakh in the Himalayas)

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    zhena gogolia

    September 18, 2022 at 8:19 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I wish I could understand the words. The colors and landscape are amazing

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    kalakal

    September 18, 2022 at 8:19 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: They’re not altogether wrong, at one point Cinnamon, Cloves, Nutmeg etc were literally worth more than gold, it was the reason the Spanish funded Magellan. There is some really good British cooking but a lot of it is very uninspiring. I grew up in Indonesia so I find a lot of it very bland.

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    Anyway

    September 18, 2022 at 8:20 pm

    Sometimes mentioning the cuisine is an icebreaker. Geez!

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    schrodingers_cat

    September 18, 2022 at 8:22 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Let me find you a translation.

    I found this blog, their Urdu is better than mine.

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    schrodingers_cat

    September 18, 2022 at 8:23 pm

    @Anyway: That depends on how it is done. But reducing an immigrant group’s or a person’s worth to their food is in bad taste.

    The person who said this to me was a long time friend and it really left a bad taste in my mouth. It would have been more forgivable from a relative stranger.

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    Ruckus

    September 18, 2022 at 8:26 pm

    I was born in Los Angeles in the first half of the last century, have traveled extensively in many parts of the world and have seen exponential growth in the LA area, much of it of people whose origin is not the US and language is not english. I hear other languages every day here as I walk a couple of miles a day. Likely not as many as I might hear in NYC but still I hear a few. This concept that we’ve been here in this country for a long time is pretty much bullshit. Many tribes of humans were here a hell of a long time  before the vast majority of people or their ancestors arrived. This country, as a nation has only existed for less than 300 yrs, which in the overall accounting of humanity is like a day and a half. The pompous arrogance of many americans is rather amazing. I was born here my parents were born here, not all of my grandparents were. I don’t think any of my great grandparents were but I don’t know that for sure.  But still in this day and age there are countries that treat their citizens so badly that they want to leave, to walk of a very long time to swim across a forceful river, to risk death for the barest chance of a reasonable life. Most of us have backgrounds of our ancestors coming here for a better life, and we should be able to give that to those that come today. It builds our country, makes it stronger, better. And yet conservatives want better for them and fuck everyone else. That is about the most unpatriotic bullshit I can imagine, that I’ve got mine fuck you.

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    schrodingers_cat

    September 18, 2022 at 8:32 pm

    @BeautifulPlumage: Indeed!

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    lowtechcyclist

    September 18, 2022 at 8:42 pm

    @Nicole: ​
     

    From the AP article about pastors:

    “Government officials who refuse to fulfill their biblical responsibility to protect our borders should be made to feel the effects of their lawless policies,” Jeffress said via email.

    I sure wish the reporter had responded and asked him which Bible verse refers to “protecting our borders.”

    Can’t think of any Biblical verses about protecting borders, but this old favorite from the 25th chapter of Matthew came to mind:

    31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
    34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
    37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
    41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
    44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
    45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
    46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

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    The Moar You Know

    September 18, 2022 at 8:45 pm

    That island SO needs statehood!

    @JoyceH: they don’t agree.  I kinda see why.

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    zhena gogolia

    September 18, 2022 at 8:46 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Thanks!

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    Lyrebird

    September 18, 2022 at 8:50 pm

    @lowtechcyclist: Yeah.

    When I lived in Pennsyltucky I sent my Congresscritter art when he would encourage xenophobic crap.  “Flight to Egypt” art.  I might not be Christian, but he claims to be.

    All of what you said, plus I think the stories say the family of Jesus hightailed it out of where they were and became refugees.

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    cain

    September 18, 2022 at 8:57 pm

    @pajaro: Ah yes, for some reason – our family always called Devon St. We used to go there as kids back in the 80s – it was the only place we could get our indian groceries and we would drive three hours or so from Indiana to do our shopping and also visit relatives.

    I remember going through the Jewish portion, I also seem to recall an Italian portion as well – but can’t remember. That street was really long.. whew!

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    J R in WV

    September 18, 2022 at 9:02 pm

    @lowtechcyclist:

    Well chosen verses. They don’t read their holy book at all, and disregard anything in it that doesn’t verify their hatred of the others. I first noticed this when I was 10 or 12 years old, so late 1950s or early ’60s. Yes, I’m old now !!!

    There is plenty of hatred for the other in that book, esp the “old testament”, none of it claimed to be the words of Jesus, tho.

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    cain

    September 18, 2022 at 9:03 pm

    @lowtechcyclist: ​
     
    Eternal torment seems kind of overdoing it – wouldn’t a spanking be just as good?

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    cain

    September 18, 2022 at 9:05 pm

    @J R in WV: But they love the old testament the best.

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    raven

    September 18, 2022 at 9:13 pm

    The Anderson Platoon (French: La Section Anderson, released in 1966 in Europe, 1967 in the US) is a documentary feature by Pierre Schoendoerffer about the Vietnam War, named after the leader of the platoon – Lieutenant Joseph B. Anderson – with which Schoendeorffer was embedded.

  80. 80.

    raven

    September 18, 2022 at 9:14 pm

    A Face of War inspired “Apocalypse Now”

    Francis Ford Coppola and John Milius saw this documentary when at Film school. They intended to produce a Drama in Vietnam during the war, but decided it was too dangerous. Later Coppola made “Apocalypse Now” based on this, and accounts for the “puppy dog” scene, which is in “A Face of War”.

    It is not available on DVD probably due to its graphic violence and exposing US war crimes, but is viewable on youtube.

  81. 81.

    raven

    September 18, 2022 at 9:21 pm

    Glenn Kenny

    • May 12, 2016

    “Paths of the Soul” is rare in several respects, not least that it is a depiction of Buddhism in Tibet that has passed muster with Chinese censors. Directed by Zhang Yang, it dramatizes a 1,200-mile pilgrimage by the actual residents of the Tibetan village of Nyima. The movie so upends the traditions of documentary and narrative filmmaking that “dramatizes” may be inaccurate — the filmmakers followed the real pilgrims for a full year, after all. But the movie is so well made and engaging that such distinctions will make little difference to the viewer.
    Walking for hundreds of miles is difficult, especially when the 11 pilgrims who set out for Lhasa and its Jokhang Temple, the most revered site in Tibetan Buddhism, are purposefully falling to the ground every few steps. With cut wooden blocks protecting their palms, they dive downward and stretch out, making sure to touch their foreheads to the earth. It’s tricky devotional work, and dangerous, too, given the terrain and the traffic on winding roads up and around mountains. The group contains a couple of “types” — the village drunk, a wise elder — but they and others don’t bring Western-style narrative intrigue to the journey. Instead, we see a united and good-humored community pulling together under increasingly extraordinary circumstances, including childbirth.
    The views of Tibet are spectacular; you get the impression of traveling through an ancient world. The group doesn’t traverse a modern city until over an hour into the film, and Mr. Yang plays down the pilgrims’ attachment to technology: It’s only a little after they leave the city that we learn that at least one is carrying a cellphone. That comes as something of a relief, as by this time, I was fervently concerned for their safety.

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    Tehanu

    September 18, 2022 at 9:32 pm

    @kalakal: ​
     

    Curiously I’ve never had anyone tell me how much they love Scottish cooking

    You have now! And don’t even get me started on Scottish baking. The farther north you go, the better the pastry is.

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    cmorenc

    September 18, 2022 at 9:38 pm

    My paternal grandmother immigrated to the US from Germany at age 13 in 1910 as an indentured servant on a large dairy farm for a term of several years, her passage paid by the farm’s owner.  When she arrived at Ellis Island, she couldn’t speak a word of English, and was accompanied only by her 16 year old sister, also brought over on an indenture service contract, but for a different employer 30 miles from the farm her sister went to.  Economic circumstances of her family must have been very stressed to send two young daughters on their own to the US as indentured servants.  When I visited Ellis Island on a trip to NYC back in 2000, I was deeply moved by the view from the balcony overlooking the large immigration processing room my grandmother went through – I could vividly imagine her some 90 years earlier as a scared, apprehensive young girl standing with her sister in line approaching the processing desk.

    My paternal grandfather was an illegal immigrant from Germany, stranded in the US because he was a seaman aboard a German ship (Kronprincess Cecile) on a return trip from the US to Germany when halfway across the Atlantic nearing Iceland, World War 1 a German U-Boat sunk the Lusitania, and Britain declared war on Germany.  The captain of the Kronprincess Cecile immediately turned around, and raced back toward the US, with the British fleet trying to find and capture or sink them, but they made it safely to Boston harbor, where the US interdicted the ship from leaving and ordered its crew to stay aboard the ship.  However, my grandfather managed to avoid getting caught jumping ship, and he melted into the German immigrant community in Boston (and of course, eventually met my grandmother).  After Germany lost WW1, my grandfather elected to stay in the US, where he’d found employment as a machinest instead of returning to an economically ruined Germany.

    And so, I deeply identify with contemporary immigrants fleeing difficult circumstances back in their home country.  Their story is but a variation of my paternal grandparents’ story.

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    kalakal

    September 18, 2022 at 10:10 pm

    @Tehanu: Yay! Now the biggie. Do you like mealies?

  85. 85.

    Tehanu

    September 18, 2022 at 10:30 pm

    @kalakal:  I like everything Scottish except oatcakes which for some reason always seem to come out hard as rocks.  But my baking skills are close to nonexistent, so that’s on me.

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    Subsole

    September 18, 2022 at 11:49 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Modern conservatism is nothing more than whimpering little fascists whining anout why they hit you back first.

    All of it. Their church, their patriotism, their race, their politics, their entertainment, their jokes, their music, their ethics. It’s all just assholes looking for an excuse – ANY excuse – to keep  being the oxygen-pilfering assholes they’ve always been, because they don’t have the internal strength to be anything else.

    It genuinely worries me, sometimes. The level of lip-curling disdain, the sheer, seething, ice-cold contempt I hold these people in…

  87. 87.

    Subsole

    September 19, 2022 at 12:08 am

     

     

    @schrodingers_cat: I had a friend of Irish ancestry who used to say the English have aproximately three traditional seasonings:

    1. Boiling water

    2. Mild decomposition

    3. Grease

    @J R in WV: I eventually realized that literally the only law any of them ever quoted from Leviticus was the one that told them to kill gays.

    Protip: there are a LOT of laws in Leviticus, covering everything from debt forgiveness to sumptuary codes. The fact they couldn’t name a ONE of them told me exactly what they were really using that book for. And it weren’t God. Or even god.

    Like I always say, if these people can’t blame Satan, they’ll blame Jesus. Because the alternative is being responsible themselves.

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