Letitia James, the Attorney General this country needs, has nailed fuckboy’s finances to the wall for everyone to see, and it ain’t pretty\:
For 20 years, Donald Trump and his family enriched themselves through “numerous acts of fraud and misrepresentations,” New York Attorney General Letitia James alleges in a new lawsuit that accuses the Trumps of “grossly” inflating the former president’s net worth by billions of dollars and cheating lenders and others with false and misleading financial statements.
The civil lawsuit, filed Wednesday in State Supreme Court in Manhattan, seeks a $250 million judgment and a prohibition on any of the Trumps leading a company in the state of New York.
“We found that Mr, Trump, his children, and the corporation used more than 200 false asset valuations over a ten year period,” James said at a press conference announcing the charges.
I’m sure inflating assets is par for the norm, but you know this fucking douchebag did whatever the norm is times one hundred and was careless in the way he did it.
Truth Social is going to be a hoot today, I bet.
Frankensteinbeck
No, only times ten, from the numbers I’ve heard.
Alison Rose 💙🌻💛
He’s been a scumbag cheater since his first day in business–hell, probably since childhood. I sure hope this works. It will be the greatest joy to see this motherfucker taken down.
matt
As I understand it Trump’s defense is ‘Letitia James is black and ugly’
Old School
@Frankensteinbeck:
There were some rent controlled apartments that were listed at 60 times their value.
scav
Condiment Flinging is reaching Olympic levels of performance.
bbleh
Is it just me, or does it all have the feel of a long-foreshadowed dénouement? Like, it’s as bad as everyone knew it would be, but not really worse, and it was all just a question of when not whether.
They say revenge is a dish best served cold, but this feels kinda room-temp. Still, as one or another headline put it, this is only the “first shoe.” What will really count as dessert is when a judgment is entered against him and he has to fire-sale some properties, &/or is barred from doing certain business in New York. (I think prison time is too much to hope for, although he might be willing to trade Eric for a lower fine…)
Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.)
Damn, I would sorely hate to be one of the hapless grunts working at Mar a Lago right now. I bet he takes his rage out in the help.
artem1s
@bbleh:
Mediocre, just like the people he surrounds himself with.
HumboldtBlue
While Tish James dunks on Trump, the White House dunks on Cruz.
WaterGirl
I don’t know, John, I think it’s quite pretty. :-)
sab
@matt: He can’t get a fair trial in NY because everyone there knows him.
germy shoemangler
lollipopguild
If dumblefart had stayed a private citizen most of this kind of stuff would have stayed on the downlow. He wanted to be Emperor of all he Surveys(TM) so now he gets to see his “business” (lying, cheating,stealing) empire exposed for all to see.
germy shoemangler
@Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.):
If nothing else they have to clean up the food he’s throwing against walls.
WaterGirl
@Old School: And Tish James made it clear that those rent-controlled apartments had no business being included in the value at all because they are in a special category.
matt
@sab: he can’t find a jury pool without someone he owes money to.
germy shoemangler
@lollipopguild:
The cockroach switched on the kitchen light.
sab
@matt: Yep
cain
and this time – there isn’t going to be any bullshit about executive privilege or any other nonsense he can hide behind. No federal judge to protect him.
That won’t stop him from taking this all the way to the SCOTUS though. He’ll find a way to get to a judge that will be friendly to him.
WaterGirl
@Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.): Short-term, yeah, it would suck.
But think of the secret thrill they will not doubt feel to see that pompous piece of shit – who has treated them like shit for years – get what’s coming to him.
Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)
Wait, Truth Social is still in business?
bbleh
@cain: Yabbut it’s a state suit. Unless there’s some federal constitutional issue in play, I don’t know that SCOTUS would even have jurisdiction. (Except under Calvinball rules, of course.)
Frankensteinbeck
So, Alex Jones’ bankruptcy case? The judge just fired Jones’ team and installed someone independent to run Infowars until the money situation is sorted out. With the power to hire a whole team that has nothing to do with Jones until now. Apparently that’s an option in extreme cases of disclosure malfeasance. The judge said he hopes he never has to do this again as long as he’s on the bench.
cain
@HumboldtBlue:
It’s about fucking time that the White House just calls it out. In the past, our politicians would keep our mouth shut because the end result was what matters. JFC – fuck Cruz, and let’s make sure that Texas conservatives don’t bother to show up because of all the bullshit.
Democrats are delivering – and the GOP don’t show up. That’s the messaging. Join on the winning side. The American side!
Steeplejack
Scott Lynch:
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@lollipopguild:
cain
If it helps ‘Tiiisssh’ is the sound I usually make when I touch my cold hands on my wife’s shoulder making her yelp. (This was years ago before I even heard of Tish)
cain
@bbleh: I can just see the SCOTUS saying “hey, there might be a constitutional question here.. let’s hear it”
I suppose Trump will want a special master to look at his tax returns next.
cain
@Steeplejack: JFC… “how dare you go after the children” defense? Shit one of them has two kids of her own!
bbleh
@Steeplejack: Hey, hey now, Barr said “in the real world.” So that pretty much lets the Royal Family off the hook. They haven’t had to live in the real world for a single day of their privileged lives.
JPL
@bbleh: My guess is he serves time in GA.
cain
@Frankensteinbeck: There seems to be a lot of winning today.
Barbara
@Steeplejack: Meanwhile, every day actual juveniles are tried as adults. Crickets from Bill Barr.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
IIRC trump had to be dissuaded form nominating her to head the World Bank
ETA: and we were regularly assured that teh two Fredos were running the business all by themselves!
CaseyL
Very OT, but this just happened and I’m freaking out:
Jeannie is my older cat, who just went through a medical crisis requiring emergency dental surgery. Among the things they noticed was that her jaw bone just under one of her teeth had “dissolved.”
They took a sample and sent it off for biopsy. The results just came back: squamous cell cancer.
I’m told this is very bad, that there are few effective treatments available, and that I need to prepare myself to see her go downhill fast in the next few weeks or months.
Jeannie is 15, and not in the greatest of shape, but she has been doing much better since her dental surgery. For me, the main – the only – consideration will be quality of life. I will not put her through chemo/radiation if it will only gain her a few months of life at the cost of being miserable for most of them.
Has anyone here ever had this happen to one of their cats? Can you give me any advice or information?
Brachiator
@matt:
And nasty. Women who oppose Trump are always “nasty.”
I hope she nails his ass to the wall.
Old School
@cain:
It would be weird if you often said another woman’s name when touching your wife.
Spanky
I’m rather disappointed that Golden Boy Jared didn’t feel any of Ms. James’ love today. Hopefully that’s only love deferred and not love denied.
Grace
@cain: I think the oldest ‘child’, Don Jr, has 5 kids. FFS, they are not ‘children’!
JPL
@CaseyL: I’m so sorry.
Gravenstone
i.e. they’re expected to take Daddy’s word for everything?
Chyron HR
@Steeplejack:
Maybe he meant to say that you can’t hold Trump responsible because his children were running everything, that’s more plausible.
Ben Cisco🎖️🖥️♦️
You had to figure his scamming would ketchup with him sooner or later.
I hope he has a hard time mustarding up a defense.
Old School
@CaseyL: Sorry for the bad news.
hueyplong
@Spanky: Haven’t read the complaint, but it’s possible that Jared really hasn’t had anything to do with Trump Org.
The fun part is that Trump will suspect that anyone close to him who wasn’t charged is a squealer. Which is kind of fun.
JoyceH
@Grace: I noticed the extending of youth during all the bloviating around QE II. She was “so YOUNG!” when she became Queen at 25, with a husband and two kids. Victoria was 18, Henry VII was 17, back when monarchs could actually declare wars and do stuff.
scav
@Ben Cisco🎖️🖥️♦️: He is in a real piccalilli.
narya
@Frankensteinbeck: Interesting. I was following along on Popehat’s podcast, and they noted that the thing that happened in the other case was super-duper unusual as well, and that judges HATE to take steps like this.
@CaseyL: I’m so sorry. I have no advice for you; just sending virtual hugs to you and Jeannie.
CaseyL
@narya:
@Old School:
@JPL:
Thanks. I’m frantically doing online searches, and all I’m finding is bad news.
HumboldtBlue
@cain:
Agreed. Someone mentioned yesterday the Dems need a war room where Repubs are called out immediately for pulling this shit, taking credit for bills they vehemently opposed as well as every other issue they lie, mislead or deflect about.
@Ben Cisco🎖️🖥️♦️:
Boooooooooo!
hueyplong
Republicans love it when a 16 year old is charged as an adult, yet Trump’s middle-aged spawn are “children” improperly “dragged” into this case, when Trump’s defense is going to be that he left the boys in charge of the company when he was sworn into office.
These RW hacks literally don’t give a shit whether a single thing they say makes any objective sense at all, so long as it carries its weight in rage or sneering.
Trollhattan
TBogg:
UncleEbeneezer
No disrespect to Tish James but, I think the country has a pretty damn good AG right now.
Snarkworth
@Ben Cisco🎖️🖥️♦️:
*Groann…
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Wow, this dude is under so much scrutiny and litigation. Has anyone been sued or investigated as much as this guy?
He’s being investigated for stealing classified documents by the DOJ and his real estate deals in NY. He’s also being sued in court by the NYAG for the same real estate scams. What else is there? At this rate the guy is going to be buried in lawsuits and investigations for the rest of his life
UncleEbeneezer
Shalimar
Q: How did Donald Trump become a millionaire?
A: That’s the value he put on his first lemonade stand when he was 6.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@UncleEbeneezer: I started a similar comment and then just said, FIDO
prostratedragon
@germy shoemangler: 👍👍
HumboldtBlue
@Trollhattan:
@UncleEbeneezer:
I was reading about that, there’s some dirty business going on.
HeleninEire
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I absolutely LOVE that Twitter account.
Nixon is correct. Rich white men can do anything they want in America. There are only 2 rules.
1. Do not steal from other rich white men.
2. Keep your head down.
That’s it.
hueyplong
@HumboldtBlue: Oh, let’s go for it. Melania should tell Trump that Barron is Hunter Biden’s son.
Baud
@Steeplejack:
That would have more play in a criminal trial. In the civil context, if you sign your name, you’re responsible.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@HumboldtBlue: I don’t ‘think that math works, but I bet Melanie would love to give him the chance to make a Viscount or Landgraf
(actually I always thought trump picked that name cause he had massive Hilton envy, but he couldn’t handle a son people would call Connie)
Geminid
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I believe that trump is being sued by police injured in the January 6 Insurrection. The lawsuits could be patterned on the one brought by people injured at the Charllotesvile Unite the Right rally. Last year they finally won judgements against people and organizations that staged the rally.
Oklahomo
@CaseyL: We had a cat with this; she was 23, and she made it to 24. We did what we could for her, up to the point where the cancer in her jaw bone made it impossible to eat, but we couldn’t see putting her through chemo at that age.
Baud
@CaseyL:
Sorry to hear about the bad news.
UncleEbeneezer
CaseyL
@Oklahomo: That she lasted a year is the best news I’ve heard so far. Especially at that age! How did you do it? Just pain meds?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Geminid: I believe Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss have filed suit against Rudi G? I hope they go after trump, too
ALurkSupreme
@CaseyL: Our cat had cancer in her jaw. She was about 15 as well. In her case, the vet was very worried that surgery could do more harm than good.
So, we monitored the poor thing as best we could and consistently reported our findings to the vet. We tried to keep her as comfortable as possible but finally had to take her to the vet after a few more weeks and have her put down.
UncleEbeneezer
@HumboldtBlue: It looks like a blatant attempt by Villanueva/LASD, to intimidate and harass Supervisor Keuhl.
WaterGirl
As I listened to Tish James this morning, I was thinking “well, Trump’s taxes really were being audited by someone.”
HumboldtBlue
@hueyplong:
I like the cut of your jib, I’d like to subscribe to your newsletter.
@UncleEbeneezer:
Indeed.
WaterGirl
@JPL: He being Trump?
SiubhanDuinne
@CaseyL:
Oh, I’m really sorry. That’s a rough thing to hear and to come to terms with. I know you’ll do what’s right and compassionate for Jeannie, and make sure the time that remains to her is happy and comfortable, but it’s hard. It’s hard.
Burnspbesq
Oh, and at the same time James’ office made criminal referrals to SDNY and IRS.
shit is getting real.
raven
@CaseyL: My experience is not with the jaw nor a cat. Do the best you can and try not to second guess yourself. After what raven went through I would not put another elderly pet through the brutal treatment cancer requires.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Geminid:
Oh yeah, I forgot all about that one. Did you hear that Q-Tips and other assorted right wingers are questioning the suicides among the Capitol police as a result of the riot?
WaterGirl
@CaseyL: That doesn’t sound good. i am so sorry about the bad news.
I know two people who put their dogs through chemo, and they both swore “never again”.
Burnspbesq
I’d actually prefer that IRS bring a civil fraud case. Burden of proof is less (clear and convincing < beyond a reasonable doubt) and there is no statute of limitations. The civil fraud penalty is 75 percent of the underpaid tax.
Tokyokie
@cain: The horrible Phil Gramm was notorious for taking credit with constituents for bills he opposed, so Rafael is merely following established protocol.
Oklahomo
@CaseyL:
@CaseyL:
Pain meds, occasional antibiotics when she had runny nose, lots of coddling and soft food. I had hoped for that last year when another cat had breast cancer in ALL of her mammary glands, and she was only 10 (and hated being touched on the belly). She made it 45 days after the surgery, so it’s hard to say, but as long as you cat can eat and drink and has mobility, you should be able to give her some more time. This year was bad for us because last November someone dumped 5 kittens on my back porch. 2 of them are thriving; 3 had FIP (feline infectious peritonitis) and that’s almost impossible to overcome. I know what you’re going through. Most of our cats are special needs (including a one-eyed cat) so we know we’re in for a hard time sooner or later.
WaterGirl
@UncleEbeneezer: Is there some context for that? Because I have no idea what that is about.
CaseyL
@raven: That’s my biggest concern. The treatments available are said not to be very effective, and I don’t want to put her through them if it will only prolong suffering.
@WaterGirl: Useful, if not happy, information.
@SiubhanDuinne: Thank you; it is hard.
raven
@WaterGirl: We did all three, chemo, radiation and surgery. Like you said. . . never again.
WaterGirl
@UncleEbeneezer: I thought they had dropped it? I may be confusing it with another investigation.
Emily B.
@CaseyL: I’m so sorry for this horrible news about Jeannie. I don’t know anything about this kind of cancer, but having had a cat with mammary cancer, I think you are right to prioritize her well-being.
HumboldtBlue
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Oklahomo
@CaseyL: Some how I lost a comment along the line, but yes pain meds, coddling, anitbiotics at some points, special foods. But no 2 are going to do the same. Last year I lost a 10yr cat to brat cancer; vet had never seen one with it in every gland. She made it about 45 days after surgery. About a month after she was gone, someone dumped five tiny kittens on my back porch. 2 have thrived and are spoiled monsters. The other three had feline infectious peritonitis and it’s almost impossible to get rid of, so we lost those 3. I know what you’re going through: almost all of our animals are special needs (including a one eyed cat) so we know it’s just one day at a time.
ETA also seconding what raven said and others. The chemo is just horrible.
CaseyL
@HumboldtBlue: That was apparently an attempt to disrupt the House vote on the Electoral Act Reform bill. There’s been an all-clear since the first tweet.
@Oklahomo: Antibiotics – for secondary infections? And what kind of special food? I’ve been feeding her regular canned food, just watered down to mush.
SiubhanDuinne
@Gravenstone:
I’m sure that will be one line of defence.
Which would be ironic as hell, because Don Jr. used to relate a story dating back to when he was a little kid, maybe 6 or 7 years old? His father would tell him again and again that he shouldn’t trust people, and made Jr. promise that he’d never trust anybody. So one morning he’s leaving for school, and Daddy says “Hey Don, do you trust me?” and kid says “Of course I trust you! You’re my Daddy!”
And TFG jumps up and starts screaming “I TOLD YOU NEVER TO TRUST ANYBODY!!”
So it would be kind of a hoot if the [clears throat] “children” are in this mess because they took Daddy’s word that everything was legal and perfect. Heh.
Villago Delenda Est
The actual legal eagle members of the juicitariat can correct me if I’m wrong, but if James is successful in the civil action, does this open the way to criminal action on the same allegations?
Oklahomo
@CaseyL: Yes, she was prone to sinus and lung ailments. And yes, soft food. We found the pate to work best.
WaterGirl
@Villago Delenda Est: She has sent criminal referrals to the IRS and to the Southern District of NY.
I doubt they will wait on her civil suit to play out before they do something.
danielx
I imagine the Mar a Lago staff is getting hoarse from screaming “incoming!”.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@CaseyL: I can’t give any advice, but I can tell from your post that you treat Jeannie with love. And that’s what matters most to her.
hueyplong
@Villago Delenda Est: Different standards/elements. In general, you can say that a criminal action is unlikely if the civil one fails, but civil success is no guarantee of criminal success.
SiubhanDuinne
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
No love for Georgia? I am disappoint.
Mike in NC
The Fat Orange Clown needs to schedule an emergency hate rally to appeal to his MAGA cultists. Maybe in Tallahassee, with invites to Ron DeSatan and Matt Gaetz, fellow sexual predator. Pass the hat like they do at evangelical mega churches. Winning!
HumboldtBlue
CaseyL
@Dorothy A. Winsor: She and Oscar (my other cat, who happens to be Jeannie’s son) are, well…let’s just say my life revolves around them probably more than it should :)
The Moar You Know
@CaseyL: not that exactly, but I have had a cat abruptly come down with something terminal where I could have squeezed a few more weeks of life out of her by doing something I knew she hated.
I took the rest of the week off instead, stayed home with her 24 hours a day, and had her put down that Friday. I did the right thing and would do it exactly the same way today with no hesitation.
Uncle Cosmo
@JoyceH: Louie Cat Oars was 5. And don’t get me started on the Byzantine Empire…
SiubhanDuinne
@Burnspbesq:
That might have been my favourite part 😙
Old School
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Here’s Wikipedia’s list.
Here’s one from Just Security that seems better organized.
hueyplong
@Uncle Cosmo: Then you should love our King Henry, or Henri Cat, who, unlike his namesake, cares not a thing for the Edict of Nantes.
zhena gogolia
@UncleEbeneezer: THANK YOU. I didn’t even notice that ridiculous sentence the first time.
SiubhanDuinne
@Oklahomo:
Forgive me; I have no idea whether this is a typo or an actual thing. If the first, I’m not sure what you meant. If the second, I’ve never heard of it.
If you don’t mind, please say a little bit more about “brat cancer.” Thanks.
danielx
@CaseyL:
I feel for you. Our late household queen Zoey was diagnosed with liver cancer. She’d lost over a third of her body weight and was turning yellow under her fur. We gave her all the love we could and ended up getting her put down before she started to feel pain, per an excellent and compassionate vet’s advice. Sometimes there are no good answers, just picking the least bad alternative.
zhena gogolia
@WaterGirl: The first phrase of John’s post, implying that James would be a better AG than Garland.
Oklahomo
@SiubhanDuinne: Breast, I meant. In a hurry, trying to get out the door. She had a mass spread through all of her mammaries.
The Moar You Know
@WaterGirl: I’m watching my father in law go through it and there is no way I would inflict that on a pet, family member or myself. Fuck that. That is no way to die.
SiubhanDuinne
@Uncle Cosmo:
Give me your phone and go to your room RIGHT NOW.
Tony G
@Alison Rose 💙🌻💛: What’s remarkable about Trump is that he’s been a liar and a cheat for at least his entire adult life (most likely as a kid as well), he got about $400 million from his daddy as a young man, and he still was so incompetent as a businessman that he declared bankruptcy six times. He’s the poster boy for how the powerful never pay a price for what they do.
raven
@The Moar You Know: In “The Shootist” John Wayne’s last film, Duke was actually dying of cancer. Jimmy Stewart is his MD and says “If I were a man like you I wouldn’t die a death like that”! He shoots it out with the Owl Hoots!
SiubhanDuinne
@hueyplong:
Funnily enough, I am at this very moment wearing a t-shirt with line drawings of four little kitties in a row, and beneath them the words “un deux trois cat.”
Sister Golden Bear
Should’ve invested in ketchup futures.
hueyplong
@SiubhanDuinne: But of course you are. Seems forced to reply “May Be In Sewer,” especially if I put Trump’s name in front of it.
And I’m most definitely not the punster in my house.
JPL
@WaterGirl: Yes. Thought it was obvious, but next time I’ll spell it out. Since trump is on tape, the GA case is easier to prove. Fulton County will be able to give him a fair trial, and it’s doubtful a maga on the jury could block that
I think the DOJ will bring charges also, but for other reasons.
Omnes Omnibus
@JoyceH: Life spans have increased. Childbirth killed a lot of women in the 19th Century and earlier. And being a claimant to the English throne in the 15th Century didn’t bode well for a long life.
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
@HumboldtBlue: @Snarkworth: NOT SORRY
Captain C
@Steeplejack:
If they’re adults and high-ranking officers of a company, I would think they are, especially if they’re making claims to various investors and creditors.
Unless Billy the Coverup Artist is asserting that they’re too dumb and lazy to be expected to do any work at all for their millions.
CaseyL
Thank you to everyone who replied. I’m going to watch Jeannie closely, give her palliative care as long as possible, hope she defies expectations, and not let her suffer.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
Biden’s UN speech condemning Putin is dominating the headlines across Europe (link)
Ken
@UncleEbeneezer: Translation: “We know it’s easy to get confused by the sheer number of investigations involving this man, but the charges that were made today did not come from our office.”
Spanky
@SiubhanDuinne: I could see myself in one of those, except a little girl stray is trying to become cinqat.
hueyplong
@CaseyL: That’s literally what you have to do. Such a hard road to travel with your baby cat (however many years she has under her).
Ken
@Steeplejack: As a compromise which should be acceptable to Barr, why don’t we confine the Trump “children” to wire cages three feet on a side, until we learn just how illegal their parent has been?
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
@scav: I had to look that up. Thanks! I learned something today!
Mike in Pasadena
@Steeplejack: The kids were in charge of business while Don was the president, remember Bill? That’s what donnie did instead of using a blind trust or divesting himself of the business. His kids wwere OFFICERS of the company.
eversor
I feel a bit better today about yesterdays fiasco. I called out of work. Ordered some matzo soup and hot and sour soup (I know they don’t mix but I like soup) and slugged a bottle of whiskey. Not my finest moment, but it worked. Also I contract now so “calling out of work” just means I don’t bill them. I can afford the day off, they can save a few thousand bucks. I’ll sober up, clear my head, deal with this all, and go back in. Probably going to order more soup though.
Ken
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: Interesting how much the British newspapers resemble the joke about cable news:
CNN: Trump Indicted
MSNBC: Trump indicted
CSPAN: Trump indicted
ABC: Trump indicted
FOX: Enjoying pumpkin spice season
PUMPKIN SPICE CHANNEL: Trump indicted
J R in WV
@CaseyL:
If you cat sits on you and purrs, eats well and shits well, sleeps well, then you cat is probably happy. When they no longer purr and eat and crap, it’s probably time.
I had to put two elder cats down, just old, old age, while wife was in the hospital for over 2 months, years ago. They lost a lot of weight, quit eating much, were obviously no loner happy. These were two of the happiest cats I have ever known, and that’s how I knew it was time.
We’ve had several cats pass at home… I didn’t want to put them through it, they were past it, and the vet helped me let them go. They knew how old they were, that we had given them great cat lives in the deep woods, were sad to see them go. But sometimes you have to do the right thing, even, esp because it’s the hard thing.
Best of luck, hope she does really well for at least a while.
Timill
@Oklahomo: Just to note: FIP is treatable these days, though the treatment is not FDA approved yet.
WaterGirl
@CaseyL: It sounds like every day will be a gift.
RSA
I’m thinking that Donald Trump has probably been eating adulterated food (if you know what I mean) served up by his staff for decades by now.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@Ken:
the DailyMail’s penetrating exposé on Margot Robbie’s leggy slit skirt was revealing
Jager
@Trollhattan:
No, no, Barron is the doorman from trump tower’s son.
Steeplejack
@Baud:
I am quoting the former attorney general, sir! If we can’t rely on his probity and judgment, what does that say about our legal system? Harrumph.
Sparkedcat
@CaseyL: That is the correct course of treatment. Having buried more than a few cats in my lifetime I have learned that prolonging the suffering is unfair to Jeannie and to you.
Hoodie
@Captain C: As officers of the company, they have an affirmative duty to perform due diligence. You can bet they knew what was going on, that is a tiny management staff. Barr is blowing smoke, back to form.
J R in WV
@CaseyL:
My advice is to watch how Jeannie is behaving — if she purrs on your lap, or shoulder, if she is eating well and seems happy, then wait. When that changes, maybe it will be time to take her on the last trip to the vet.
I have a 16 y o kitty who learned to purr sitting on my shoulder 16 years ago, and still climbs up on my shoulder to purr with me. She can feel the vibrations when I tell her what a good kitty she is. She was silent for several months as a kitten after she came home, but purrs like an engine for the past 15+ years.
When she stops purring, I’ll know she is ready.
I hope Jeanne is happy and purrs for weeks or months, which is not impossible. Scritch her ears for me. I’m sorry for her situation!
Antonius
@hueyplong: correct. It’s the difference between a “preponderance of evidence” standard in civil cases and “beyond a reasonable doubt” in criminal cases as the test for, respectively, liability and guilt. That’s how OJ Simpson was found not guilty of murder but liable for the deaths.
danielx
@Steeplejack:
Putting Bill Barr and the word “probity” in the same paragraph says a great deal about your imagination.
Martin
Thoughts:
JBWoodford
@CaseyL:
No advice, I’m afraid, just sympathies. Our second oldest cat (~16 yrs old; uncertain because she was a stray) has metastatic breast cancer that’s moved into her lungs, and like you we’re all about maintaining quality of life until it’s time to give her the last gift and take away the pain she doesn’t understand.
Ken
Can she send it to the banks who loaned TFG money based on the inflated valuations? Or perhaps to the other, um, investors who have provided him with funds? That might solve the problem quickly, if messily.
cain
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
The best part, his people just think it is all conspiracy shit. What a bunch of crap.
Steeplejack
@UncleEbeneezer:
Boy, its’ is a really out-there typo. The judges give it a 10.
eversor
@JBWoodford:
It’s OK to end a life. They’re mortal, like all of us. When their bodies give up at times the best thing you can do is hold them while they pass.
Steeplejack
@CaseyL:
Baby food is good. I had Gerber’s chicken and turkey in the rotation for the housecat in her last year. She had tooth problems as well.
UncleEbeneezer
@WaterGirl: I think I remember the Sisters In Law podcast saying that it could always be re-opened. I can’t quite remember the details. Hard to keep these all straight, lol!
J R in WV
@CaseyL:
Yes, this.
UncleEbeneezer
@Steeplejack: That’s MY typo!
SiubhanDuinne
@Oklahomo:
Thanks. Finally kind of figured that out.
UncleEbeneezer
@WaterGirl: Check out the Times article. Keuhl has been extremely critical of our corrupt Sheriff. So it looks like this is payback. He’s a scumbag.
eversor
@Steeplejack:
The last little one we lost we fed sashimi and liver pate on her way out. She was blind and couldn’t make it to the litter box for the end of it but she wasn’t in pain. I took her in when it was time. Went out with a bang though.
Martin
In other news, CA has started to do the thing I predicted – the state will start to use federal transportation dollars to build state-owned EV chargers along interstates (funds probably tied to interstate improvement). The economic model for EV charging still eludes us. CA will socialize that to some degree. To a large enough degree to matter? We’ll see. But it still seems like a short-term patch because without a similar federal effort (which I can’t see happening) then we still need the economic model for EV charging to appear to us.
But I-5/8/10/15/80 travel is probably salvaged for EV owners. We’ll see how things fare for the 395, 99, and the other long haul routes that are CA or US highways.
Steeplejack
@UncleEbeneezer:
Well, tip o’ the hat to you, then!
PBK
@CaseyL: This happened to our beloved 14 year old cat two years ago this July. We were told the same things by our vet and I hate to tell you this but he was right. We decided against treatment which would have been miserably awful especially for an older cat and the outcome was not at all guaranteed to be good. When they start to go downhill it is fast and vicious…inability to eat, drink, ours had trouble breathing near the end. Love her as much as you can. Let her eat whatever she wants. Talk to your vet about what you can do to keep her quality of life as high as possible. I will be keeping you in my thoughts.
Barbara I
@CaseyL: one of my cats at 10 developed a cancer equivalent to human chronic lymphocytic anemia – about the only kind of cancer for which chemo isn’t horrible. 15 months of oral chemo were easy … but once she had to get the IV, she went downhill fast and it was unpleasant for both of us. Other cats … my doctors didn’t even recommend treatment except to make them comfortable and I had less than a week with them. So my heart is breaking for you … but you’ll know the right thing to do for Jeannie.
MisterForkbeard
@Captain C: Here’s the thing: If they signed up as executives of the company, they’re responsible for its governance.
They had a shared responsibility to ensure their company’s statements and processes were truthful and ethical. It is literally their jobs. Especially in this case where the ‘estimates’ were so off it’s just unbelievable that it would be true at all – it’s not like they hired someone to estimate the worth of a $100 bill and the person said it was worth $105. It’s like giving an estimate of $1000 worth, and then not batting an eye when signing their name to the declaration.
This is on their dad. It’s also on them, because they accepted leadership positions in the company and the company was repeatedly self-described as a family business.
PBK
@PBK: Also what Oklahomo said at #89…antibiotics and maybe something to boost her immune system.
prostratedragon
@SiubhanDuinne: Me too.😈
matt
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: it’s pretty funny nepotism is being cited as a reason to be lenient with crooks. Kind of reminds me of the ‘but he’s an orphan’ excuse for the kid who murdered his parents.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@matt: Your Honor, these waifs were raised by a vicious, violent criminal! a constant conman who lied, robbed and cheated everyone he ever met!
Uncle Cosmo
Da Chord, but what’s his opinion of the Diet of Worms? Not enthusiastic, I’d wager… ;^p
Geminid
@Uncle Cosmo: Martin Luther rejected the Diet of Worms 500 years ago. “Ach! I’ve heard of dese paleo diets, bot dees is ridiculous!”
Seefleur
@CaseyL: So very sorry. Our sweet old man kitty Mitch was diagnosed the same way. We had less than 2 months with him after the diagnosis. It felt like we all knew that our time together was limited – Mitch played it up for all it was worth. He was the old-man kitty who acted as the mentor-grandparent for our silly rescues who had no idea “how to cat”. We were fortunate in that maybe 2 days before the end, he pretty much let us know that it was time for us to say our farewells, and he was purring when the vet euthanized him while I was holding him. He purred and then he was silent. It was time, and he knew it. There was no way that he would have survived any surgery, and he would have been furious if many needles had been part of his life at that point. He went with dignity and in the arms of his people. I would wish that for everyone.
Kristine
A question about TFG’s properties—didn’t they receive independent appraisals that are a matter of record. How was TFG able to report two different values? I just got a HELOC and the bank most assuredly did not accept my assessment of what my house was worth. Are hotels etc assessed differently? If so, why?
Steeplejack
This subthread about CaseyL and her cat Jeannie has affected me deeply. The housecat died in April 2020, but I still think about her quite often. WaterGirl was nice enough to post a couple of pictures at the bottom of the original post, but I don’t know if many people saw them. (Next morning after the previous day’s thread.)
So here are a couple of pictures of the housecat at her ergonomically heated workstation. RIP, Stella.
dc
@CaseyL:
I had my cat euthanized last week for what was believed to be exactly that kind of cancer in his mouth or at the back of his throat/tongue. To do the scans to find out was cost prohibitive. He was 15 and had other health issues. He lasted four weeks from onset of symptoms. It got progressively harder for him to eat, even liquid food and drink water. I had to often give him water and liquid recovery food by droplet. He lost weight very quickly and started to have problems with his left hind leg (either he had some kind of blockage pressing on a nerve or he had a clot). I was lucky to get even 50 calories in him in a day and celebrated that when it happened. At any rate, it was time last Wednesday. So I had the mobile vet team come over and was holding him when he died. He might have lasted another day or another week, but he was starving and at any moment could have had even more serious and painful issues with his extremities. I did my best to give him comfort, care and love in his last days.
WaterGirl
@Martin:
What makes you think she hasn’t?
Seefleur
@CaseyL: So very sorry. Our sweet old man kitty Mitch was diagnosed the same way. We had less than 2 months with him after the diagnosis. It felt like we all knew that our time together was limited – Mitch played it up for all it was worth. He was the old-man kitty who acted as the mentor-grandparent for our silly rescues who had no idea “how to cat”. We were fortunate in that maybe 2 days before the end, he pretty much let us know that it was time for us to say our farewells, and he was purring when the vet euthanized him while I was holding him. He purred and then he was silent. It was time, and he knew it. There was no way that he would have survived any surgery, and he would have been furious if many needles had been part of his life at that point. He went with dignity and in the arms of his people. I would wish that for everyone.
Steeplejack
@dc:
Condolences on your loss. 🌈 🐾
jonas
@Boris Rasputin (the evil twin): Oh, yes. And according to Trump’s investor prospectus, it’s worth eleventy billion awesomety dollars. In recent tax filings, however, net profits are less than $25.
Ruckus
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
You say this like it’s a bad thing……
PBK
@Steeplejack: Me too ☹️
Ruckus
@WaterGirl:
The sheriff is a major asshole, deluxe version.
He thinks him being sheriff means that anything he says or thinks is the word of god. And it seems this entire thing is quite possibly retribution on his part.
The Lodger
@Ben Cisco🎖️🖥️♦️: I probably won’t be the first to say this, but I relish that comment.
jonas
@Steeplejack:
Oh, oh, oh. I’m totally *chiselling this in marble* the next time anyone brings up Hunter Biden. Goddamn, this mofo. I thought the ultimate depths of shameless hackery had been plumbed ten times over by these assholes, but no, there’s another 5 kilometers of vertical cave, apparently. Every. Damn. Time.
jonas
@WaterGirl:
Take the most worthless, corrupt, violent, southern sheriff your mind can imagine. Then make him 10x worse and put him in charge of one of the largest counties in the US. That’s LA sheriff Villanueva. How that asshole ever got elected, much less avoided being recalled, indicted and imprisoned himself by now I’m still not quite sure. My only theory is that, like J. Edgar Hoover, he has tapes and files on everyone who could threaten him.
Scuffletuffle
@CaseyL: I lost a cat to bpne cancer in his jaw, found during a routine dental checkup. He went downhill somewhat quickly, had good days and bad days, and I pampered him no end and gave him pain meds as needed.. When he was unable to eat at all, it was time. So sad, he was a young cat still and very loving.
eachother
@CaseyL: My advice?
Love her till the end of time and beyond. As you always have.
Ruckus
@The Moar You Know:
I had a close family member go through chemo. I would not wish that on SFB. And in the end it seemingly did absolutely nothing for the cancer which she died from.
If I had a pet with cancer I seriously doubt I’d put them through chemo. Yes it works sometimes, and yes it often does not much more than make for more suffering. I don’t think I would do chemo for cancer, and I’ve had cancer.
Ruckus
@Seefleur:
“He went with dignity and in the arms of his people. I would wish that for everyone.”
Had my arm around my dad sitting with him in his hospital bed when he passed. Everything living dies at some point, making the end as humane as possible should be the goal, as far as I’m concerned, be it human or pet. I can’t say it was a comfort but he suffered from Alzheimers for about 15 yrs and this seemed better.
Ruckus
@jonas:
A lot of the county is cities with their own police force who therefore only need the sheriff when everything goes really, really sideways.
But he hadn’t made the name for himself prior to being elected sheriff that he has since so I don’t think that many people knew the level of shit that he is. I’m hoping that next election for sheriff he gets the boot, good and hard and not in the ass.
SFAW
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
The two Fredos walk into a bar. Hours later, when they come to, they realize they missed the door by that much.