This Dearie fella isn’t working out so well for Team Shitgibbon:
Oh Dearie!
Mar-a-Lago special master orders Trump team to back up any claims of FBI ‘planting’ evidencehttps://t.co/qQrDptkJXU
— Betty Cracker 🐊 (@bettycrackerfl) September 22, 2022
Trump opened his big fat yap on the Hannity show last night and again suggested the FBI planted docs during the search of his tacky Florida dump. Sounds like Judge Dearie was unamused.
Trump also said presidents can telepathically declassify documents. Seriously — all they have to do is think it, and the documents are declassified, according to Trump.
That suggests Biden could telepathically reclassify them too. Despite his magical powers, I don’t think Trump is thinking this through, to be honest.
When the DOJ accepted Trump pick Dearie in the “special master” matter, some legal analysts said have no fear, Dearie is a nonpartisan straight shooter. I was skeptical because a lot of establishment types said the same of Barr, who turned out to be worse than the bullet-headed hot tub salesman.
But so far, it looks like they were right about Dearie. The Trump lawyer who recommended him must be covered in tantrum ketchup.
Open thread.
craigie
“Tantrum Ketchup” is my favorite brand.
zeecube
I thought bullet-head was the guy who wanted to patent the special “low-hanging” toilet?
Dorothy A. Winsor
Also Durham. Wasn’t he supposed to be a straight shooter too?
But Dearie is impressing me more by the day. I guess the bar is low enough that watching someone practice law is surprising
Yutsano
@craigie: Also claiming as the name for my next ska-punk cover band.
Primer Gray (formerly yet another Jeff)
@zeecube: Yeah, I thought so too…but there’s probably more than one reason we’re associating his name with toilets.
LeftCoastYankee
“Tantrum Ketchup” sounds like one of those trending double entendre phrases where you’re sorry you asked when someone explains it, because it’s way more icky than you were imagining.
Immanentize
Dearie also set out the costs Trump’s team would be wracking up and included the fact that failure to pay w/in 7 calendar days of final invoices would be considered sanctionable conduct. I am thinking the Trump team might be considering dismissing this suit.
geg6
@Yutsano:
For real. Best. band. name. ever.
Betty Cracker
@zeecube: I meant Whitaker. Was he a toilet guy too?
MomSense
On the one hand this is entertaining. On the other – there are some serious national security concerns as a result of TFG’s behavior.
The interesting times curse is like a new WTF every day. I did not have telepathic declassification on my 2022 bingo card.
MattF
The judicial branch has, lately, been quite close to unanimous in doing the right thing on Trump-related cases. There have been exceptions, but they are rare. I think Dearie + the two Trump-appointed judges on the three-person appeals panel that skewered Cannon are good examples of this.
trollhattan
@LeftCoastYankee: Like “wedding tackle”?
LeftCoastYankee
@trollhattan:
I can’t confirm or deny that, because now I really don’t want to know what “wedding tackle” is.
ETA: damn I googled it, although it is close to what I thought. The Urban Dictionary says its a “class term…”.
Westyny
Trump: Do you know who I am? I am Vader. Darth. Vader. I can kill you with a thought!
Dearie: Well, you’ll still need a tray.
PAM Dirac
@Immanentize:
With drumpf who knows what the goal is, and even if you think you know, 10 minutes later you can’t be sure it is the same goal, but I’m not sure what they think they can get that the DOJ would even object to. It looks like the chance he gets access to the classified documents is vanishingly small. What is left? His favorite fake Time cover?
coin operated
For those looking to read today’s special masters ruling
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.106.0_1.pdf
h/t to Scout for posting it up in a previous thread
Omnes Omnibus
@trollhattan: More like “rusty trombone.”
Dangerman
I wonder how many times he telepathically asked Hope Hicks to assist him with his pants problem?
Speaking if pants problems, I’ll toss in to get out Special Blog Master an emergency bag for the car. Emergency flares. First aid kit. Water. And, of course, pants.
geg6
@MattF:
Here’s what I think is going on with this (because you’re right). I think some of these judges are not really Trumpers as much as they are McConnell picks. And if they are McConnell picks, they are Federalist Society types who see themselves as serious judicial minds and they don’t like how Trump and his clown car of legal idiots are making them look. They’re insulted that the Trumpers see them as partners in arms and not just as allies of convenience. I could be wrong, but it seems right to me.
Burnspbesq
@Betty Cracker:
Whitaker played tight end in the Big Ten. I think too many crossing routes might explain his issues.
LAO
FWIW, I’ve appeared before Dearie many times and I couldn’t understand why Trump put him on his list. I know about the FISA court warrants re: Carter Page but Dearie is an old school, no BS, district court judge; he is evenhanded, fair, respectful and has a decent sense of humor. He’s a real joy to appear before (even when I know I’m going to get my ass kicked).
Ken
Will this have any consequences beyond the special master? Like, if they try to make this claim at a (hypothetical) future trial, it will be slapped down because they didn’t provide evidence at this time?
I’m assuming they won’t provide anything. I’m also assuming there’s a good chance of Trump’s entire legal team quitting in the next week, citing “differences with the client” — which I will take as meaning “we aren’t going to commit perjury for him”.
Betty Cracker
More good news:
Go directly to jail, Nazi motherfucker!
PS: Does the mobile interface suck for everyone, or is it just me?
LeftCoastYankee
@Omnes Omnibus:
Yes, that.
Math Guy
Following the news is like watching two sea monsters in a life or death battle just below the water’s surface. All you see are sudden swells in the water – maybe a fin or tail briefly breaks the surface – but most of the details are hidden from view. I cannot help but wonder if there is a hidden level of political and financial power brokers fighting this out or making deals that we may never see.
MomSense
@Omnes Omnibus:
GREEN BALLOONS GREEN BALLOONS GREEN BALLOONS.
I also clicked my heels three times but it isn’t working. Rusty trombone while still picturing TFG throwing ketchup is too much.
Tony G
I’m going to invest a substantial portion of my financial empire in ketchup futures.
zeecube
@Betty Cracker: Yes. I think he called them “masculine toilets”. (Why I can recall such arcane inane trivia, I have no idea.)
Betty Cracker
@LAO: Good to know — thanks!
HumboldtBlue
Betty got here first
geg6
@LAO:
These are not very bright guys and things got out of hand. Pretty much explains all of Trump’s and minions’ actions at any time.
Tony G
@Tony G: I think that Trump’s problem now is that establishment lawyers/judges who might have seen some value in sucking up to him a couple of years ago, now understand that he’s yesterday’s man. They can kick him to the curb now and suck up to somebody else who has power.
Frankensteinbeck
@Math Guy:
What, about Trump’s documents prosecution? I seriously doubt it. If it got to the Supreme Court, I could see some conservative groups trying to influence the judges, but even that’s just ‘believable’.
I don’t know if this is true, but I read that because Cannon just reversed herself on the issue of the 100 classified documents and said they’re not the special master’s problem and the government can go ahead with those, there is now nothing to appeal and the Supreme Court is at least temporarily not a factor.
Primer Gray (formerly yet another Jeff)
@Dangerman: And cake…so one has a reason to put on the pants.
Omnes Omnibus
@MomSense: Oddly enough, I have no idea what it is. I have never wanted to find out.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
No, no, telepathic declassification is a thing. I remember the first time I was looking at a document and all of a sudden all the markings got all wavy and vanished. I was so surprised but my supervisor pointed to the front cover and how it now said DECLASSIFIED BY: telepathy.
Sister Golden Bear
Doncha know Betty that telepathic declassification/reclassification only works for Republican presidents.
Jeffro
This.
I have to believe that part of what’s taking so long to prosecute these guys are all the trumpies in places like DOJ, SDNY, etc.
That, and all of the various elected officials/bureaucrats/reporters/other folks who’ve been either been blackmailed all these years, been receiving Russian $$$, or both.
Old School
But what if Trump telepathically called no backsies?
Frankensteinbeck
@Omnes Omnibus:
I am proud to possess the kind of mind where when someone assures me I don’t want to look, I don’t look. This is one of those definitions where I have deliberately maintained my ignorance.
MomSense
@Omnes Omnibus:
Never say never OO. You might change your mind when you find out what it is.
Primer Gray (formerly yet another Jeff)
@Old School: Dark Brandon already called “Reclassified: Infinity +1”
MattF
@Sister Golden Bear: Actually only works for King Donald. The ‘wavy halo around his head’ is green screen FX.
PAM Dirac
@Old School:
I think ketchup forms a barrier to telepathic no backsies.
Omnes Omnibus
@MomSense: I said I have never, not I will never.
hotshoe
@Immanentize:
That’s good. I’m still left with the uncomfortable idea that Dumpster can’t pay, Dumpster lawyers won’t pay, and won’t care about sanctions. Unless the sanctions include actually being disbarred for the lawyers? That might get some shitwad’s attention.
SiubhanDuinne
@Betty Cracker:
Not sure what it’s doing to you, but for the past few days every time I open the BJ site (iPhone, Safari, mobile interface) the screen jumps up and down and around for the first couple of minutes like a sleep-deprived Tigger on crack.
leeleeFL
@Omnes Omnibus: Or the long forgotten Santorum!? That one grosses me out, even now!
leeleeFL
@Dangerman: possibly a sign on the exit door, or a full length mirror!.
JPL
@Immanentize: Awesome!
hahaha
Ksmiami
@LeftCoastYankee: I read tantric ketchup :) glad that’s not the case !
danielx
Chris Kise getting 3 mil up front is looking better all the time.
Renie
Dearie’s order states trump has to state why any document falls under atty-client, or executive privilege status. I can’t wait to read those reasons. The word salads are going to be unbelievable. And I love that Dearie wants sworn declarations about trump’s allegations about planted evidence. Finally someone is pushing back against trump’s bullshit.
Any lawyer here ever heard of a US District Judge walking back their own order? Is this common?
SiubhanDuinne
@leeleeFL:
Yup. Just the words “frothy mixture”….
I may never be able to beat egg whites again. Sad: A meringueless and soufflé-less future 😥
Ken
Via Popehat twitter, Mike Lindell’s request to get his phone back has been denied, the court citing the just-published 11th circuit ruling in Trump’s case.
Something I hadn’t realized was that case is Trump v. United States. I find that confusing, since the last seven years of his life has been Trump v. United States.
Betty Cracker
@SiubhanDuinne: Yikes, that sounds worse than my problem, which isn’t new; I was just annoyed enough to comment about it instead of suffering in silence. I think it’s probably a WP issue. The interface is clunky AF, as in devilishly hard to select copy to put in quotes, etc. Posting via mobile is even worse, like they never updated the original 2003 release.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I’m still working my way through his brain splooge (in keeping with the tone of the thread) that he, trump, might have had Hillareezemailz
Roger Moore
@geg6:
I think one of the issues is that with all these things there’s a problem that you never know exactly what you’ll get until it’s too late to change your mind. You can’t be sure if someone buys every bit of the spiel or if they’re just saying what you want to hear until you nominate them. I’m not saying we should expect someone to completely fake it with the Federalist society only to let their liberal flag fly once they’re on the bench, but I can completely believe someone who’s moderately conservative could sell themselves as a conservative rubber stamp in hope of getting that big promotion and life tenure.
Ishiyama
@Tony G: That is the saving grace of an independent judiciary. They will follow their own agenda with no loyalty for past favors granted, and they are jealous of their power versus the executive. Protect an ex-President? What’s in it for them?
Betty Cracker
@Immanentize: Read something today about Trump’s PAC that he’s using to pay legal bills only took in $40 bucks last month. Not a typo — forty dollars. Of course, he has several grift PACs that hold well over $100M, and I hope he keeps hoovering up money that might otherwise go to Republican candidates. But the article (FT, I think?) suggested it’s a sign of declining influence. Which will probably prompt the idiot to declare for 2024.
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I’m not sure how that helps Trump even if his delusions were reality.
Omnes Omnibus
@Betty Cracker: Why do you think people end up posting naked links or just saying they can’t link because they are on their phone?
Sheldon Vogt
@craigie: perfect name for a band!
Barbara
@Renie: You mean as to Cannon? Of course, when the court of appeals basically orders a modification, the court has to conform its original order to be consistent with the appellate court’s superseding opinion.
Villago Delenda Est
Screw Heinz, screw Portland, I’m always buying Tantrum ketchup now!
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: it’s his lame attempt at sarcasm, as well as a dog whistle to the cult (ie “Waaaah, not fair, Liberal F.B.I. raided me but not Hillary”).
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
I have a problem with selecting text here on my phone, but never had a problem with linking.
A Ghost to Most
I love it when a plan comes together.
Ken
As I posted one thread down, I’m thinking the judge’s responses may be more fun.
“For the fifth time: The Attorney General is not the President’s attorney, so attorney-client privilege does not apply.”
geg6
@Roger Moore:
This also makes sense to me.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: The selecting text part is the bitch.
HumboldtBlue
For more good news, Alex Jones is having a terrible day.
Villago Delenda Est
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: I tried that with a VINSON device, and all I got was an electric shock.
Jeffro
@Ken:
WORD
germy shoemangler
germy shoemangler
@HumboldtBlue:
Omnes Omnibus
@Roger Moore: I think that sometimes the judges themselves don’t know. There is a lot of power and freedom in a lifetime appointment. If we want to go historical, take Thomas a Becket. From Henry II’s pov, it was a brilliant plan to make him archbishop, but once Becket was in the job….
germy shoemangler
Maybe Dearie can help?
SiubhanDuinne
@Betty Cracker:
Oh, now see, I’ve never had trouble selecting text or commenting or anything on mobile. But then, I think I may be kind of an outlier: for instance, I vastly prefer Text mode to Visual, although, judging by comments I’ve seen, this is hardly the norm.
Betty Cracker
Ms. Petri at WaPo takes up the telepathic declassification topic.
oatler
That address in the picture looks like 461 Ocean Blvd.
Old School
@germy shoemangler: Should the frontpagers here give this a shot?
Steeplejack
@HumboldtBlue:
Also:
CaseyL
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: MAGAt Twitter is convinced, utterly convinced, that the classified documents Trump made off with were all in-writing proof that Russia Collusion was a hoax, that Covid was a hoax, and that Hillary is really the mastermind behind everything, and Trump has all the documentation. Further, that is why the FBI “raided” Mar A Lago, to make sure those documents were never made public.
They believe this, and nothing will change their minds.
Chacal Charles Calthrop
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: the difference is, Hannity is not getting dementia
Renie
@Barbara: So Cannon had to do that cuz of what the 11th Circuit ordered? I thought maybe she was now trying to make herself look better. Thanks for the reply
HumboldtBlue
@Steeplejack:
Yeah, saw both of those.
Ken
Not even haloperidol?
Scout211
Thanks for front paging this Betty. I posted a link to that article downstairs but I only pasted a bit of the text. I left this out:
Remember WaterGirl asking last night whether his statements on Hannity would end up biting him in the ass? (Paraphrasing WaterGirl, LOL)
Barbara
@Renie: Right, the way it works is that the court of appeals remands the matter to the D.C. for further proceedings consistent with its opinion, in this case, modification of the original order. I doubt very much she was surprised.
I read somewhere that the husband of one of the Trump appointed judges was a CIA officer for more than a decade. Cases are supposed to be assigned randomly, but cases that come out of the normal order (emergency appeals) might not always be — and in this case, that particular appellate judge might be known as an expert on the laws regarding classified information.
Captain C
While this is reasonable, Barr already had a history as a coverup artist as he basically was the mastermind behind the HW Iran-Contra pardons in his first attorney generalship and also had basically written a ‘hire me, O Great Donnie, I’ll cover for you’ open letter shortly before his appointment; anyone paying attention (talking to you, establishment types) would have known what he was being hired for and how he would act. While Dearie may have similar such skeletons on his front porch, I haven’t ever heard of them if so.
All this said, I’m unexpectedly happy with just how no-bullshit Dearie has been so far.
Roger Moore
@Ken:
The interesting thing here is that Trump is being forced to back up his claims for once. He’s gotten used to being able to back people off by suggesting stuff might be privileged, with the threat of a long and painful lawsuit to litigate the issue. But that won’t work on Judge Dearie, because his whole job in this case is to answer questions of privilege. Yeah, you can appeal his decisions, but that’s really no skin off his nose.
Captain C
@craigie:
It would also be a good name for a Balloon-Juice punk band.
ETA: Or what @Yutsano: said. (And if you need a bari player for this unit…)
MattF
@Steeplejack: In the (near) future, definitions of ‘shitshow’ will feature multiple links to the various trials of Alex Jones. It’s his fate, and, apparently, ours as well.
HumboldtBlue
Alex Jones is going down, and it couldn’t happen to a shittier person.
chris green
So does the telepathic president doctrine mean all imprisoned spies should appeal their sentences because the government can’t prove the president didn’t think about declassifying their stolen docs?
JPL
@HumboldtBlue: I hope he loses everything. He’s just a horrible person.
trollhattan
@Ken: My guess is they’ll cite precedent established by Rubber v. Glue.
Sister Golden Bear
Some Oh Dearie musical accompaniment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luYnqixqlOg
WaterGirl
Betty, I think Barr is worse than the devil, but other than that, I agree with every word you wrote.
I am adding this gem as a rotating tag.
trollhattan
@HumboldtBlue: “might have” doing some heavy lifting there.
Frank Wilhoit
@Ken: Not even chlorpromazine.
Scout211
@Roger Moore:
Fixed it for you.
WaterGirl
@Immanentize: Where / how did Dearie do that?
different-church-lady
@Steeplejack: Right, then there will eventually be a contempt hearing.
Ruviana
@geg6: It was my understanding that McConnell had the Federalist Society list and just told tfg who to pick. Tfg didn’t really care so McConnell actually drove it.
WaterGirl
@MomSense:
I had to add that as a rotating tag.
Frankensteinbeck
@Roger Moore: and @Scout211:
Trump has a long history of relying on the advantage that abusers and rich people have over everyone else: No one wants to deal with their bullshit. If they make things miserable enough for everyone, no one except the abuser wants to, and no one but the rich person is able to keep wading through the bullshit to get their way. It’s not a strategy that requires much brains, but Trump’s cognitive deterioration has gotten so bad that he’s screwing it up lately – and it’s a strategy that, when it fails, makes your problems much worse than they were.
cain
@Villago Delenda Est: Dude.. no. Portland Ketchup Company for the win. Also Heinz? jeezus.. only east coasters like that stuff. :
ETA: That’s right, I said what I said!
Captain C
@HumboldtBlue: It’s amazing what happens when people who never had to take a ‘no’ are put in a situation where they don’t have that option anymore.
waspuppet
The other thing Trump did on Hannity’s Fascist Power Hour last night was claim he didn’t know anyone connected to the Dearie pick. Which is the ultimate Trump tactic — because he didn’t handpick Dearie, he will claim he doesn’t have to do anything Dearie says.
Scout211
@WaterGirl: From the order: this?
WaterGirl
@Betty Cracker: Mobile interface for Balloon Juice?
No, it doesn’t suck for me. What’s it doing for you?
LeftCoastYankee
@Ksmiami:
with “salty fries”….
My brain is broken now.
Ken
@MomSense: @WaterGirl: Quite a lot of twitter people having fun with the telepathic declassification. One person quipped “I haven’t seen this many images of Carnac the Magnificent since 1974.”
cain
@Betty Cracker:
When I think about that whole declassify thing via remote.. I’m reminded of the scene from “Dirty Rotten Rascals” when Steve Martin tells Michael Caine he has to go to the bathroom and just does it right there. The facial expressions is what I think Trump would do when declassifying stuff. lol.
Also, can you imagine he’s at some fucking summit with Putin and Putin wants all the spies, apply the scene from above and some classified document shows up on a silver platter from a waiter named Surge.
ETA I expect Germy Shoemangler to laugh.
HumboldtBlue
@Captain C:
And how.
germy shoemangler
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@HumboldtBlue: At the end of that clip.
Judge: It’s hard for me to get a word in edgewise bec…
Jones’ Lawyer: It is. (Makes speech over her continued attempts to finish her sentence).
Ceci n est pas mon nym
A question for the grammar nazis (among whom I like to claim at least sometime membership).
I have always used the ending apostrophe for possessives of plurals and names ending with S. But lately I’ve been seeing that adding ‘s is now apparently considered proper form, e.g. “Jones’s Lawer”. Is the ending apostrophe, like me, totally obsolete and outdated now? How do you feel about constructions like “Jones’s” or “Charles’s”.
Or do we still retain the ending apostrophe for plurals? “The jackals’ conversation”?
Ken
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Someone needs a copy of How to Win Friends and Influence People.
zhena gogolia
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: “The jackals’ conversation” is definitely correct.
Strunk and White prescribe “Jones’s.” I think they make an exception for Jesus and Sophocles, but I’m not sure. But I’ve seen both usages. I tend to use “Jones’s,” because I can’t shake Strunk and White, but I don’t think it’s exactly wrong to do it the other way.
jimmiraybob
The most intriguing* portion of the statement: “…you’re [the President] sending it to Mar-a-Lago or wherever you’re sending it.”
Inquiring minds want to know where “wherever” is. Bedminster? Moscow? New search warrants please.
*An by “intriguing” I mean incriminating.
Baud
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
I recently read either way is acceptable for singular names that end in S.
Ken
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Consult your style manual.
Then I’ll consult mine, and we’ll argue because they say different things.
Roger Moore
@Scout211:
The thing is that Trump hasn’t had to make the claim stuff is privileged very often. Instead, he (or his surrogates) sort of imply it, with the veiled threat they’ll be more than happy to delay the proceedings with extended litigation over the issue. Given that a lot of the people interested in asking those questions are Congressional committees with an inherently limited time, that’s a serious threat. But Trump doesn’t even have to stand up and make the claim; just the threat he might make the claim is usually enough to shut down a line of questioning. The problem for him in this case is that someone has finally called his bluff. DOJ really wants those documents marked as classified, and they’re willing to litigate the issue to get them. Judge Dearie isn’t intimidated either, since answering questions of privilege is his job.
Some of this, I assume, is that Trump has been wrong footed by the search warrant. He’s used to playing defense. He has something the other guy wants, and he gets to play keep away by threatening to drag stuff out with extended litigation. In this case, the FBI seized the stuff he wants to keep, and he has to play offense to take it back. DOJ is doing its best to make sure it can keep the investigation going while any of Trump’s lawsuits play out, so the usual delay game is useless.
lollipopguild
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Actually, the FBI was looking for the strawberries from the USS Caine.
Chief Oshkosh
@Yutsano: Ok, fine. But I have dibs on “Tantric Ketchup!”
jonas
@CaseyL: Are they forgetting that Trump actually declassified — like, legitimately, for real — all the Russia investigation stuff just a few days before leaving the WH? You can go look at it. I think some sensitive stuff is redacted, but it’s basically all there. The material seized at MAL was not that.
Omnes Omnibus
@zhena gogolia: FWIW I agree with you.
Bill Arnold
@Old School:
Doesn’t matter. DJT is FPOTUS. J. Biden is POTUS, with the Official Power of telepathic re-classification.
WaterGirl
@SiubhanDuinne: All posts, or just high-tweet posts? Or are you talking about the front page?
UncleEbeneezer
Let me try this again, because my earlier copy/pasta had too many hyperlinks. Tomorrow will be another end of a tennis era when Roger Federer plays his final match, partnering for doubles with his longtime rival, Rafael Nadal:
“It’s super special playing with Rafa,” Federer said in a news conference. “… To be able to do that one more time, I’m sure it’s going to be wonderful.”
Said Nadal: “Tomorrow is going to be a special thing. Difficult. Going to be difficult to handle everything, especially for Roger, without a doubt. But for me too. At the end, one of the most important players — if not the most important player — in my tennis career is leaving.”
Federer, 41, who announced last week that he is retiring because of an ongoing right knee issue, had said Wednesday that playing alongside 22-time Slam champion Nadal would be a unique, fitting way to go out.
“For as long as we battled together, having had always this respect for one another, our families, coaching teams, for us as well to go through a career we both have had, come out the other side and have a nice relationship, is maybe a great message to tennis and beyond,” Federer said.
Roger Moore
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
It’s been a while since I reread Strunk and White, but I remember their advice being that the possessive of a name that ends in s should be with an additional “‘s”, e.g. Jones’s. The only exception is for Biblical names where the approach taken by the KJV is still preferred, e.g. Jesus’. Of course that applies only to the Biblical Jesus; it would still be Jesus’s when you’re talking about Felipe’s and Matty’s younger brother.
Baud
@Bill Arnold:
It’s in the Constitution.
Ken
@Bill Arnold: Also Biden was touching the opposite pole when TFG called no backsies, so TFG was really calling backsies. That means he takes a penalty of five back yards, and has to hop on one foot for the rest of the game.
Math Guy
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Ending apostrophe for plurals.
Martin
@Bill Arnold: But what if there was a telepathic executive order that Trump issued to grant himself lifetime classification privileges? Then he could declassify even after POTUS classified. Did Biden telepathically repeal Trumps telepathic executive order?
Checkmate libtard.
WaterGirl
@Betty Cracker: That’s one of her best, I think! Kind of Dr. Suess-like in parts.
FelonyGovt
@Betty Cracker: I wonder who is the schmo who sent in the $40.
WaterGirl
@Scout211: Oh, thank you! I have the order saved to read, but haven’t gotten to it yet.
SpaceUnit
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
FWIW I have a current copy of the Associated Press Stylebook, and it dictates that one should use only an apostrophe with singular proper names ending with an s.
ETA: It doesn’t differentiate biblical names.
Ken
@FelonyGovt: It was a hundred sixty people each sending a quarter.
EDIT: Come to think, the credit card companies charge a percentage plus a flat fee (a nickel or dime). So if you make a four-cent donation, the PAC would lose a penny — unless they charge the fees to the donor’s card.
jnfr
We were away with family for the past week, and all this Dearie stuff is nice to come home to.
WaterGirl
@Ken: Thanks for the trip down memory lane. I had forgotten about all those things.
Roger Moore
@Martin:
Could Donald Trump make a document so classified even he couldn’t declassify it?
different-church-lady
@germy shoemangler: So Lindell had classified documents on his phone? Interesting…
Jay
https://news.yahoo.com/operatives-linked-desantis-promised-fly-012930021.html
Turns out that the second DeathSantis flight was supposed to have passengers, but they were left stranded in Texas,
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“She said there would be work. She said that they would get us there and then there would be help,” said one of the migrants, Pedro Escalona, who had trekked to San Antonio from Venezuela. His asylum hearing was scheduled to take place next month in Washington, D.C., and he hoped to at least get part of the way there.
Mostly, he said, he just wanted to move forward. The flight to Delaware was his best chance.
There would be no flight. The migrants were told the next morning it had been canceled. No reason was given.”
Baud
@Roger Moore:
Haha.
Geminid
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: I find myself using just an apostrophe after names or words ending in a soft S, and using an apostrophe plus an S after words ending in a hard S.
I can’t really justify the practice except to say this is more like how I pronounce possessives.
different-church-lady
@Roger Moore: That man could de-classi-fy anything.
Burnspbesq
@Ken:
Asha Rangappa nailed it on Twitter this a.m.
It’s the “Secret Telepathic Unilateral Preemptive Irreversible Declassification (S.T.U.P.I.D.) defense.”
Roger Moore
@different-church-lady:
Good show!
New Deal democrat
@Roger Moore: “Trump hasn’t had to make the claim stuff is privileged very often. Instead, he (or his surrogates) sort of imply it, with the veiled threat they’ll be more than happy to delay the proceedings with extended litigation over the issue.”
This is important. I still have two concerns about the special master process:
1. the DoJ did not appeal the portion of Cannon’s order that they could not make use of any of the seized documents to indict Trump until the special master process, including her own review, is complete. I believe the classified materials are still included in this, because the DoJ did not appeal that provision.
2.Which gives Trump ample reason to continue to confuse, litigate, and delay. For example, by declaring all of the remaining 10,000 documents are subject to executive privilege, and making Dearie rule on each one, and then re-litigating each one in front of Cannon.
Ksmiami
@Ken: you make the mistake assuming they have minds rather than just primitive brain stems…
Steeplejack
@Roger Moore:
This covers it right here. I think the Jesus’ exception might also have to do with the tradition that when people say, or pray, “in Jesus’ name,” they pronounce it as two syllables, not three.
Plural possessives of all sorts get an apostrophe at the end. The exception, of course, is when the plural is not just the singular with an s on the end. There is a front-pager here who regular uses peoples’ as the possessive of people. It should be people’s, like children’s, for example. The only time you would use peoples’ is in some incredibly rare, poetic situation where you are talking about the “peoples of the world,” e.g., “the varied peoples’ desire to unite as one” blah blah blah. One in a million occurrence.
Surnames that end in s can lead to some weird stuff. A lot of people seem to have a problem with using, e.g., Joneses. And I have seen cases where people do weird things with names that sound like they end in s. “Ted Cruz’ biggest problem is” blah blah blah.
Baud
@New Deal democrat:
DOJ appealed the whole order. The stay is more limited.
Steeplejack
@Geminid:
What is a hard s? Or what are the two different types of s?
Falling Diphthong
@Betty Cracker:
I had read–possibly here?–that the RNC is covering his legal bills from his presidency (but not from this stuff) so long as he does not declare before the midterms.
But that may seem like less and less of a carrot as this rolls along.
Bill Arnold
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
I started (almost) always using a trailing ” ‘s ” e.g. “Jones’s” a couple of years ago because it is at least entirely unambiguous. Certainly not what was taught (to me) in school.
(Also started using they/their singular in middle school because the gap in the English language bugged me, so might be non-conforming.)
Ken
@New Deal democrat: The judge set a schedule today where all the papers will be reviewed by mid-October.
Also Trump is paying for the special master, and even though it’s not his money, he thinks it is. So at the least he’ll suffer a little every day he drags it out
Steeplejack
As long as we’re pedantin’, I will note that I have seen a recent (and troubling) surge in got replacing have or have got. Not just in colloquial stuff like “We got this” but in things like “We got to get this done.” That was in a recent big-media transcript of Biden clearly saying “We’ve got to get this done.”
Uncle Cosmo
@zhena gogolia: A singular noun that ends in “s” adds “‘s” to form the possessive. A plural noun with a trailing “s” adds only an apostrophe to form the possessive. So “Jones’s” (for a single Jones) but “jackals'”.
Scout211
As was stated last night by our learned lawyerly lawyers, the declassifying (by actual required methods or by telepathy) is a distraction.
Trump would actually have to telepathically change government ownership of government documents, the presidential records act and the National Archives.
On the other hand, maybe he’s currently working on that . . . call Hannity!
artem1s
@Bill Arnold:
Only exception is when Bamz employs his Time Traveling Super Power and re-re-reclassifies anything that slipped by Old Handsome Joe Biden
oatler
@Chief Oshkosh:
I saw Tantric Ketchup open for etc etc.
Steeplejack
The Red Sox-Yankees game is on Fox tonight (not Fox News!), starting in 10 minutes, for those who want to follow the Aaron Judge home-run race.
KSinMA
@zhena gogolia: Where I work, we use the Chicago Manual of Style, which calls for apostrophe-s for everything singular and the added apostrophe for plurals that already end in s. But if you don’t work where I work, please yourself!
evodevo
@Jay: Yeah, I would imagine so…I guess the “vendors” got cold feet after assessing the legal implications of technically kidnapping 50 people, and bailed…
Omnes Omnibus
@oatler: They were better in their original lineup as Dharma Tomato. They only played a few shows in Alphabet City then the first drummer ODed. You should have seen them.
lgerard
Every day seems to bring more evidence that trump actually believes he is little Anthony Fremont
SpaceUnit
@KSinMA:
Yes, there are any number of style guides. The important thing is to maintain consistency, particularly with regards to any given publication or communications team where there are multiple contributors.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
After Geffen signed them they totally sold out.
CaseyL
@jonas: Please, don’t distract MAGAts with trivial things like”logic,” or “facts.”
They are convinced that Trump had those documents because they proved him innocent of everything, and the reason the FBI wanted the documents back was to prevent them from becoming public.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: Should have gone with Kill Rock Stars like any indie band trying to keep their cred.
Geminid
@Steeplejack: Jamie Lee Curtis’s name ends in a hard S. Sharice Davids’ name ends in a soft S.
This is just how I’ve ended up writing the possessive form of names and words, and it largely tracks with my pronunciation. I would not neccesarily prescribe it for anyone else, tbough..
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
Inorite. But after Geffen showed them what he did for the Eagles they were like 🤑.
Spanky
@Roger Moore: “NO EYES ONLY”
bbleh
@Barbara: Not to mention rather personally sensitive to the SERIOUS dangers — even to people’s LIVES — of careless handling of information that identifies, or could by implication identify — human sources.
bbleh
@Martin: He just did.
bbleh
@Steeplejack: The hard s is typically found in military or police or other rigidly hierarchical contexts.
randy khan
@Frankensteinbeck:
I don’t know if this is true, but I read that because Cannon just reversed herself on the issue of the 100 classified documents and said they’re not the special master’s problem and the government can go ahead with those, there is now nothing to appeal and the Supreme Court is at least temporarily not a factor.
I don’t think this is right. She was responding to the 11th Circuit decision (or, I should say, doing what she was told by the 11th Circuit). As I understand it, the 11th Circuit rules prevent Team Trump from asking the entire court to rehear the motion (because it’s an interim order, not a final decision), but they could go to the Supreme Court and ask for it to intervene. I think we’ll find out about that in a couple of days.
bbleh
@Frankensteinbeck: @randy khan: yeah I think she just issued an amended order — it’s very short, it says “ok, paragraph A doesn’t apply to the docs with classification markings, and paragraphs B and C are stricken, and fk all you old guys ima have three Blue Hurricanes and go home with someone I don’t know.” (Ok it doesn’t say that last part.)
Re further appeal, indeed 11th rules forbid en banc appeal, so the only recourse is the Supremes, and of course the first step would be to request an emergency hold on the stay, which would go to the Justice who is assigned such cases for the 11th, who happens to be … waaait for iiiit …
Clarence Thomas! (But I don’t think it’s gonna happen. By all accounts this was too much of a slam-dunk.)
SteverinoCT
@SiubhanDuinne:
I get that sometimes; I think it’s the twitter embeds (and ads?) populating and filling images from text, taking up more room off-screen. Just have to let it settle.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
that was quick
he was on the stage with trump and Vance at that freaky Q rally last weekend
ETA: Here’s Majewski claiming he was ready to “suit up and go back” to AFG during the withdrawal. I don’t understand being willing to lie so loudly and so publicly, while running for office.
Omnes Omnibus
@bbleh: Damn, the one thing I found likable about her and you made it up.
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
That’s excellent news.
zhena gogolia
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: how did Brett Terhune get invited to that rally?
Steeplejack
Bill Arnold
@lgerard:
Later in life, DJT’s spiritual mentor (introduced by Fred Trump, married DJT and Ivana) was preaching full-up magic, dressed up as Christianity.
Positive Imaging: The Powerful Way to Change Your Life – Norman Vincent Peale, 1981
(This is vaguely related (probably not intentionally by Peale) to a contemporary form of non-ritual magic called Chaos Magic)
Now Trump likes pastors who preach Prosperity Gospels, which are also related. Crypto-Mammonites, they are. :-) In the USA, they are arguably not heretics.
Steeplejack
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
“Majewski’s Jan 6 baggage and lying about military service
sunksank his political prospects.”bbleh
@Steeplejack: Or if not, at least it shrunk them.
Chief Oshkosh
@oatler:
Is “etc etc” the cover band that does Duran Duran hits?
zhena gogolia
@lgerard: wow I never knew that character’s name
Amir Khalid
@zhena gogolia:
There is exactly one prescription worth heeding in The Elements of Style: “Omit needless words.” All the rest of it is just an old perfesser harrumphing about what sloppy writers young people are nowadays.
Baud
@Steeplejack:
Steeplejack
@bbleh:
Shrank them. But by all means let’s take our grammar guidelines from bullshit Hollywood comedies.
Steeplejack
@Baud:
Much better!
Kristine
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Last I heard, Kaptur faced an uphill battle. This is great news.
A few more of these, please.
zhena gogolia
@Amir Khalid: oh I disagree
West of the Rockies
@Roger Moore:
Nobody f*%#s with the Jesus.
Hoodie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
A lot of these folks are clinical, so it’s not that surprising. Like you, most people don’t think someone would engage in such obvious lies. In addition, Trump proves that a lot of folks don’t have good bullshit detectors and are too lazy to check if what a pol is saying is true, especially if it confirms their priors.
Omnes Omnibus
@Amir Khalid: You, sir, are poltroon. A poltroon, sir.
different-church-lady
@Steeplejack: Stink… stank… stunk!
There go two miscreants
Since there has been discussion of site issues and some good added rotating tags: is there any way to keep the tags showing after you scroll down? I have not figured it out. I did a search and didn’t come up with anything recent.
Frankensteinbeck
@Omnes Omnibus:
And you are a mendicant, a Johnny Bunko, and a flim-flam artist! Whether or not you’re a diddler I leave up to Mark Twain.
Ghost of Joe Liebling’s Dog
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
Without it we couldn’t sing When Jones’s Ale Was New … for me that’s justification enough to keep ’em, right ‘ere.
bbleh
@different-church-lady: fling, flang, flung. blink, blank, blunk.
different-church-lady
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Sociopaths don’t think like you and I. And Trump’s takeover of the GOP results in a whole lot of sociopaths running on the red side of the ballot. They’re not even capable of thinking of it as lying.
Geminid
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Majewski was a political amateur, a nobody before he made his name by painting his front yard into a big Trump sign.
Majewski’s affiliation with trump enabled him to eke out a primary victory over two more experienced office holders. Either one would have made a stronger general election candidate.
Marcy Kaptur is an accomplished and popular legislator, but the district was redrawn to be R+3, I believe, and this race was a tossup or worse until Majewski’s idiocy was exposed.
A fun Marcy Kaptur fact: She started volunteering for the Democratic Party when she was 13 years old. This was in 1959.
Amir Khalid
@Omnes Omnibus:
That should be “You, sir, are a poltroon.”
SFBayAreaGal
@geg6: how can you forget the band Burnt Toast
different-church-lady
@Ghost of Joe Liebling’s Dog: I like to go with Joneses’s. Covers all the bases.
Gin & Tonic
@Amir Khalid: Omnes, I think, was omitting needless words.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Geminid: I’d completely forgotten that yard thing
lordy
Amir Khalid
@Gin & Tonic:
Sorry, but the singular indefinite article is definitely required in that sentence.
different-church-lady
@Amir Khalid: The. The poltroon.
Steeplejack
@different-church-lady:
Truth.
different-church-lady
@Steeplejack: truth… tranth… trunth.
Gin & Tonic
@Amir Khalid: One could argue that, since you understood what he wrote, it wasn’t actually required.
Like the old subway ad said, “if u cn rd ths, …”
Omnes Omnibus
@Amir Khalid:
I am going to blame my phone. I am home now, so you better watch your ass, bub.
Burnspbesq
@Ken:
At least Dearie gave him a break on fees. $500/hr. Is wayyyy below NY market for a lawyer with the former magistrate’s skills and experience. It could easily have been over $1k.
Steeplejack
Autumn equinox coming up at 9:03 p.m. EDT. Everybody go outside and have a druid moment.
Burnspbesq
@randy khan:
Actually, it appears to be right. The stay became moot when Cannon struck the parts of her order that were stayed.
Brit in Chicago
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: I favor the extra “s” when you have a name ending in “s”, but not (of course) in the case of plurals. I’ve seen “Jones'” etc. but I think it’s just treating “Jones” as if it were a plural noun, which it’s not. (Pedantry, but you did ask.)
ETA my usage seems to conform to pronunciation, when the words are spoken rather than written—at least my pronunciation which I take as normal, but maybe I’m wrong.
WaterGirl
@There go two miscreants: nope.
Nettoyeur
@Betty Cracker: Once he declares, more limits and scrutiny on his $. RNC has already bailed on paying his legal bills, which is why he has strip mall lawyers plus one guy who insisted on prepaid fee .
Nettoyeur
@Jay: i think deSantis heard from a lawyer and bailed….
bbleh
@Amir Khalid: @different-church-lady: Perhaps he IS “poltroon” in that he embodies or represents the Platonic ideal of “poltroon.”
Ken
I set my neighbor’s wicker patio furniture on fire, is that close enough?
zhena gogolia
Cauvin so funny on TFG declassifying with his mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny8y2LtIshQ
SiubhanDuinne
@bbleh:
Strink & White
Strank & White
Strunk & White
Calouste
@CaseyL: So MAGA Twitter is saying that Dimwit Donnie had all this evidence about Covid and Hillary and what not? And that he had it for at least a year and a half? And never made all this explosive information public for …. reasons?
Did I get that right? It’s hard to get my mind about the near-fatal levels of stupidity in the MAGA-verse.
Origuy
@Ken: Was your neighbor sitting in it at the time?
prostratedragon
@zhena gogolia: He certainly has those moronic facial expressions down pat.
Steeplejack
@Ken:
👌
AnneW
@cain:
Heinz is the platonic ideal of ketchup. I scoff at all lesser ketchups.
Geminid
@Nettoyeur: Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar may have made an impression with his pledge to investigate the matter of the first flight as a potential crime. And I think the organizers did not consider how much info about their efforts would come to light and how bad it would look. They also probably did not anticipate that aviation researchers would give others a heads up on the flight plan for the second stunt.
The Miami Herald reporters who interviewed the migrants recruited for yesterday’s flight were told that the woman who recruited them and stashed them in a motel came to their door Tuesday evening and told them to be ready for their flight the next morning. Early yesterday morning she told them the flight was off.
She hired a bus to take them back to the migrant relief center where they were originally recruited and then she washed her hands of them. Some missed the bus and were stranded at the motel, ten miles away from the center.
phdesmond
@SiubhanDuinne:
& White
& Whote
& Whitten
phdesmond
Ken
@Origuy: Please. I am a Dutch Reform Druid (2nd Ecumenical Council of Caerfaron, Rite of 467 AD). We feel that vegan substitutes are perfectly acceptable, in jurisdictions where traditional rites conflict with local secular law.
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@LAO:
All I know about him is in the Wikipedia biography, and none of that sounded like he’d be on Trump’s side. Indeed, it read like the CV of someone who was serious about the law. It’s hard to see someone who spent 7 years doing FISA court work taking a cavalier view of national security and classified documents, as well.
Origuy
@Ken:
We will worship like the Druids,
Drinking strange fermented fluids,
Running naked through the woo-ids,
Coz that’s good enough for me!
Gimme That Old Time Religion
Mimi
@Sister Golden Bear: I thought you were posting something like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEkKyjcdqMc
Paul in KY
@Yutsano: Seems more like a name for a hardcore punk act.
Paul in KY
@Frankensteinbeck: I assume then you’ve never watched ‘2 Girls, 1 Cup’.
I wish I hadn’t…
Paul in KY
@zhena gogolia: I think Jones’ is cleaner looking.
Paul in KY
@FelonyGovt: The schmoiest schmoe that ever schomoed.
Paul in KY
@Steeplejack: Uh, ‘We’ve got to get this done’ can be translated into ‘We have got to get this done’ :-)
Paul in KY
@Chief Oshkosh: ‘Tantric Ketchup’ would be more like a Phish or Flaming Lips type band, IMO.
Paul in KY
@Burnspbesq: Maybe that’s why he was on TFG’s list…
Paul in KY
@Calouste: Just like the crazy QStupid ‘theory’ of TFG secretly battling the Demo-Pedo-Commie-Cabal.
Like TFG would keep that a secret…for reasons…..