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Jack be nimble, jack be quick, hurry up and indict this prick.

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Come on, media. you have one job. start doing it.

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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Repubs in Disarray Open Thread: Bill Barr & the GOP’s ‘One Bad Apple’ Excuse

Repubs in Disarray Open Thread: Bill Barr & the GOP’s ‘One Bad Apple’ Excuse

by Anne Laurie|  September 24, 20225:28 pm| 123 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Republican Venality, Trump Crime Cartel

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It can't be "don't make me look like an idiot" because fail children or not, these guys are all in their forties

— your himbo boyfriend (@swolecialism) September 21, 2022

The serious grown-ups of the Permanent Republican Party have decided that TFG is now a liability for them. Bill Barr, Esq, takes leadership in the talk-show brigading, hoping to convince enough voters for his team to thimble-rig another electoral cycle with the argument that Trump was a singular, uniquely horrible exception to True GOP Decency — a human cancer that can be cut away cleanly without impugning the rest of the GOP body.

Barr has the experience. He has the gravitas. He has the amoral lack of conscience required to make this argument. But those useful traits have been seriously devalued since TFG rode down the golden escalator…

“Credit for moving the public discussion closer to reality is one thing, but no one should think that Barr is having second thoughts about the awful things he did in office” to advance an imperial presidency.https://t.co/IVYOR1K1dC

— Laurence Tribe (@tribelaw) September 19, 2022

Author Donald Ayer “served as United States attorney and principal deputy solicitor general in the Reagan administration and as deputy attorney general under George H. W. Bush.” As I said, the Permanent GOP is *not* happy with TFG’s semi-ex-spokesmen:

… Barr’s recent trashing of Trump in a manner likely to greatly impair his presidential prospects makes perfect sense when one understands the driving convictions and objectives that have guided him throughout his adult life.

Remember that Barr sought out the opportunity to serve as Trump’s attorney general by submitting a memorandum in June 2018, expanding upon his long-held, breathtaking vision that the Founders created an all-powerful president immune from virtually any limitation on his powers. Those views had occupied Barr’s mind since the 1980s. In the memo, Barr applied that vision to Trump’s then-current obsession, arguing that Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation was a wholly illegitimate intrusion on those powers…

The nature of those changes, and Barr’s determination to pursue them, were carefully spelled out in a major speech delivered to the Federalist Society on November 15, 2019, in which Barr argued that, contrary to “the grammar-school civics-class version” of the Founders’ government as one of checks and balances, the founding generation actually meant for the president to wield essentially unchecked authority.

Barr’s aggressiveness in defending Trump against those who would second-guess his actions is best known in connection with the lies he told about the Mueller report, while keeping the report itself under wraps so people could not see how inaccurate his statements were. His interventions in ongoing cases—including the criminal cases against Roger Stone and Michael Flynn—to substitute outcomes that were politically desirable for the president for those arrived at in routine course based on the facts and the law also drew widespread objections…

During 2020, Barr misused his official authority in many ways calculated to help Trump secure reelection. He sent law-enforcement officers to cities around the country to “suppress violent rioters and anarchists” who he said had “hijacked legitimate protests”—thus echoing Trump’s own calls for a crackdown. He oversaw the law-enforcement action to deny the right of peaceful protest in Lafayette Square so Trump could have a photo op at St. John’s Church. His department unsuccessfully attempted to enjoin the publication of former National Security Adviser John Bolton’s book, which disclosed facts embarrassing to the president…

For all of Barr’s abuses of authority in an effort to keep Trump in office, it became clear to Barr by early December 2020, when zero evidence of serious fraud could be found, that Trump had run out his string. So Barr resigned. Since then, Trump has made things infinitely worse for himself, by engaging in a conspiracy to overturn the election by deception and violence, which culminated in the events of January 6, 2021. Were that not enough, the saga of the Mar-a-Lago documents reveals beyond doubt that Trump illegally retained, and apparently actively resisted returning, a very large number of highly classified documents, with who knows what grave consequences for national security.

As a result of these events, Barr has realized that Trump, far from being the indispensable person for the realization of his vision of an autocratic president, has become perhaps the greatest obstacle to its achievement. In a party where Barr’s bizarre ideal of an unfettered president holds tremendous sway, Trump can’t win in the general election, and if nominated he would likely take the banner of autocracy down with him. Barr feels the need to remove Trump from serious consideration so that another standard-bearer for that cause can pick up where Trump left off. Who knows? Perhaps Barr can come back for a third turn as attorney general to finish the job.

America is a republic, not a democracy monarchy! One is not supposed to discuss singular autocracy in front of the rubes voters — leave that to the quiet rooms where properly educated men of good background can discuss it amongst themselves, dammit!

Probably the worst minister of the Trump administration, once you really like pencil it all down? Easily the most cynical operator. Just a terrible, terrible person.

Why on earth he keeps popping up in profiles I'll never understand

— Lord Businessman (@BusinessmanLego) September 20, 2022

Well, Grima Wormtongue is always a favorite in what passes for the popular media…

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  1. 1.

    SpaceUnit

    September 24, 2022 at 5:46 pm

    I don’t think this is terribly complicated.  Barr simply discovered that for all TFG’s popularity with the slobbering, beady-eyed masses, he is on a personal level a deeply unlikable person who demeans everyone who is forced to interact with him.

    ETA:  I hope the humiliations Barr was forced to endure eat away at him for the rest of his life.

  2. 2.

    HumboldtBlue

    September 24, 2022 at 5:49 pm

    When Obama catches you by surprise.

  3. 3.

    Cameron

    September 24, 2022 at 5:51 pm

    I realize it’s very shallow of me, but when I see a picture of Barr I see a genetic splicing of John Goodman and Droopy Dog.

  4. 4.

    mrmoshpotato

    September 24, 2022 at 5:51 pm

    Who do I hate more – Orange Shitstain or Bill Bitchass?  Tough call.

  5. 5.

    Shalimar

    September 24, 2022 at 5:51 pm

    @SpaceUnit: I think it is even simpler than that.  Barr, the master of coverups and massaging information so that it isn’t damaging, bailed after the election because he saw that Trump’s barrage of bullshit was going to fail.  Barr didn’t want to be part of the failure.

  6. 6.

    trollhattan

    September 24, 2022 at 5:56 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: I have to go with the proud serial rapist on this one. If Billy Barr is one at least he doesn’t “locker room talk” it up.

  7. 7.

    MisterDancer

    September 24, 2022 at 5:57 pm

    There has always been a strain of Authoritarianism in America. From the people who wanted to make Washington President for Life — or even King! — and the abysmal Alien and Sedition acts, there were, even with the Founders, so many early examples of just the most anti-democratic thinking you can imagine.

    Said examples are littered all over our history, even without invoking my own ethnicity.

    Barr’s not unique. He’s certainly not sui genesis. He’s really just the latest in a long, long line as asshats who don’t want to have to think, don’t want to have to put in the work, don’t want to earn True Freedom, if the cost is actually having to have people take ownership of their actions.

    For those people, it’s just much easier to pawn Deep Thinking off on a Daddy Figure — and not in the cool, fun, kinky way.

    (Don’t) Fuck ’em.

  8. 8.

    SpaceUnit

    September 24, 2022 at 5:57 pm

    @Shalimar:

    Yeah.  I think both our explanations probably apply.

  9. 9.

    eclare

    September 24, 2022 at 5:59 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:   How sweet!

  10. 10.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    September 24, 2022 at 5:59 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: That made me smile. Thanks for the link.

  11. 11.

    Another Scott

    September 24, 2022 at 5:59 pm

    I briefly saw a tweet about Kushner saying that DeSantis should be arrested for the MV kidnapping.

    Yeah, it’s everyone fighting over the horde to stay relevant and in power.

    I’ll take these GQRers seriously when they say that people must vote for Democrats now to save the country.  Not before then.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  12. 12.

    MisterDancer

    September 24, 2022 at 6:01 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: You can see why Barack and Joe bonded so well.

    For all their faults, they get being human, being…just a person. And honestly? I think this trait is what truly drives Conservatives so angry about both men; their genuine empathy  and heart shows so many who oppose them as hollow.

  13. 13.

    HumboldtBlue

    September 24, 2022 at 6:01 pm

    @eclare: @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    It’s a full service blog.

    @MisterDancer:

    Agreed.

    And for those watching, this Florida Tennessee game is shaping up to be a good one.

  14. 14.

    different-church-lady

    September 24, 2022 at 6:02 pm

    Barr’s entire shtick seems to amount to, “If you’re going to be in the power-hungry, conniving, quasi-fascist American creep club there are rules you have to follow!”​
     
    (P.S. – very similar to what Shalimar said at #5)

  15. 15.

    Craig

    September 24, 2022 at 6:05 pm

    Does anyone have a pointer to where Barr has shown any sort of proof of his view of the Unitary Executive, or is he just asserting some bullshit strung together with lawyerly sounding mouth noises?

  16. 16.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 24, 2022 at 6:06 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: seconded!

  17. 17.

    Martin

    September 24, 2022 at 6:06 pm

    Can someone explain to me why police that would park their car on train tracks, put a suspect inside, for that car/suspect be hit by a train to be able to continue doing that job? Why the fuck do you park your patrol car on the train tracks?

    A conventional train locomotive weighs 260,000 lbs. A rail car commonly weighs 125,000 lbs. A full freight train will probably weigh around 20 million lbs. Don’t park in front of 20 million pounds moving 50 MPH.

  18. 18.

    M31

    September 24, 2022 at 6:06 pm

    has anyone asked Barr about the powers he’d like President Harris to have?

  19. 19.

    Edmund Dantes

    September 24, 2022 at 6:06 pm

    To Barr Trump was a tool to achieve his goal. Trump’s ability to achieve Barr’s goal diminishes the more trump looks like he can’t get elected or trump in his ineptitude helps to discount the idea of the unitary executive beings a good thing.

    that is all.

  20. 20.

    Martin

    September 24, 2022 at 6:08 pm

    @Craig: I think the lesson learned from Dobbs and Barr and Cannon is that *everything* is just fucking made up. Executive privilege is made up. No indictments 60 days before an election is made up. Jurisdiction is made up. Unitary executive is made up.

    All of it is made up.

  21. 21.

    HumboldtBlue

    September 24, 2022 at 6:08 pm

    @Martin:

    I can’t imagine what the explanation is other than another vicious, sadistic cop. This is the oddest story I’ve read in a while.

  22. 22.

    SpaceUnit

    September 24, 2022 at 6:09 pm

    @Craig:

    Barr’s notion of the unitary executive is like Scalia’s idea of originalism.

    Both get tossed aside the instant the wind blows the other way.

  23. 23.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 24, 2022 at 6:09 pm

    @Martin: Yareni Rios-Gonzalez.  One presumes that answers the question.  [I mean, she’s one o’ those brown ones, eh?  wassamatta?]

  24. 24.

    Dan B

    September 24, 2022 at 6:12 pm

    @Martin: She’s likely to have PTSD for years.  I hope she takes the police down a couple million dinaros.

  25. 25.

    different-church-lady

    September 24, 2022 at 6:14 pm

    @Craig: ​
      It’s spelt “Lawyerly Sounding Mouth Noises” but it’s pronounced “Throat Mangrove Warbler”

  26. 26.

    Shalimar

    September 24, 2022 at 6:14 pm

    @Martin: She’s lucky to be alive.  And anyone stupid enough to park on the track should never have a driver’s license again, let alone be a police officer.

  27. 27.

    different-church-lady

    September 24, 2022 at 6:16 pm

    @Martin: Because they’re just fucking idiots?

  28. 28.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    September 24, 2022 at 6:19 pm

    Nobody twisted Barr’s arm to brutalize unarmed, peaceful demonstrators. Nobody twisted Barr’s arm to set up a secret police to kidnap pedestrians off the streets of Portland.

    After Hitler offed himself, all his fanatics suddenly found reasons to distance themselves. Chief Wiggum Barr is no different.

  29. 29.

    PAM Dirac

    September 24, 2022 at 6:21 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: yeeaa Temple Hills, MD! Lived there for about 40 years.

  30. 30.

    Baud

    September 24, 2022 at 6:29 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Joyce seems happy.

  31. 31.

    Another Scott

    September 24, 2022 at 6:30 pm

    @Craig:

    IANAL.

    Here’s the infamous 19 page job interview/memo to the DoJ (PDF):

    If embraced by the Department, this theory would have potentially disastrous implications, not just for the Presidency, but for the Executive branch as a whole and for the Department in particular. While Mueller’s focus is the President’s discretionary actions, his theory would apply to all exercises of prosecutorial discretion by the President’s subordinates, from the Attorney General down to the most junior line prosecutor. Simply by giving direction on a case, or class of cases, an official opens himself to the charge that he has acted with an “improper” motive and thus becomes subject to a criminal investigation. Moreover, the challenge to Corney’s removal shows that not just prosecutorial decisions are at issue. Any personnel or management decisions taken by an official charged with supervising and conducting litigation and enforcement matters in the Executive branch can become grist for the criminal mill based solely on the official’s subjective state of mind. All that is needed is a claim that a supervisor is acting with an improper purpose and any act arguably constraining a case – such as removing a U.S. Attorney — could be cast as a crime of obstruction.

    It is inconceivable to me that the Department could accept Mueller’s interpretation of §1512(c)(2). It is untenable as a matter of law and cannot provide a legitimate basis for interrogating the President. I know you will agree that, if a DOJ investigation is going to take down a democratically-elected President, it is imperative to the health of our system and to our national cohesion that any claim of wrongdoing is solidly based on evidence of a real crime – not a debatable one. It is time to travel well-worn paths; not to veer into novel, unsettled or contested areas of the law; and not to indulge the fancies by overly-zealous prosecutors.

    IOW, lots of mouth noises that if a GQP president can’t do what he wants without question then everyone will be unfairly sent to Gitmo for doing their jobs with discretion.

    Or something.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  32. 32.

    James E Powell

    September 24, 2022 at 6:33 pm

    Barr has the experience. He has the gravitas. He has the amoral lack of conscience required to make this argument.

    He also apparently has the everlasting love of the Village & the Shows, though I cannot come up with a reason why that should be so. He is a lying asshole of the first rank.

  33. 33.

    Martin

    September 24, 2022 at 6:34 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: Except they parked there before they pulled her over, and I assume they didn’t know anything about the driver.

    Just a stunning lack of situational awareness by cops.

  34. 34.

    J R in WV

    September 24, 2022 at 6:36 pm

    @Martin:

    It looked to me like the train knocked that “police car” SUV at least a hundred yards into a field. The cops ran a long time to find the “missing” police car which was like a crumpled ball of aluminum foil when they found it. Major stupid on every count.

    She seemed pretty calm when being restrained on camera… “What’s going on?” is a very normal question for an innocent person being arrested. I once took photos late at night of a train wreck during a mining wildcat strike, empty cars parked on a siding, someone took the brakes off and let them coast downhill until they left the tracks, crumpled steel for 200 yards. Empty cars, too. Lot of momentum there.

  35. 35.

    Dan B

    September 24, 2022 at 6:37 pm

    @Another Scott: Gitmo is close to Palm Beach, right?!  Shorter trip than San Antonio to Martha’s Vineyard.  Death Santa and Pumpkin Tits together with Jr. and Eric.

    I can haz dream..

  36. 36.

    Another Scott

    September 24, 2022 at 6:43 pm

    @different-church-lady: Because it seems to be part of their training that they can park wherever they like and everyone else has to lump it??

    (sigh)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  37. 37.

    Dan B

    September 24, 2022 at 6:43 pm

    OT;  TFG said “We must keep our country gay.” at the rally in North Carolina.  Apparently it was “gay pur paa” or something.  Old age?

  38. 38.

    JanieM

    September 24, 2022 at 6:46 pm

    @Martin: To add to the list: No Supreme Court nominations in an election year is made up.

    It’s all expedient BS.

    Not that that’s a surprise.

  39. 39.

    Craig

    September 24, 2022 at 6:46 pm

    @Another Scott: yes. After reading through the piece by Donald Ayer and his links all I’m finding is Barr asserting what the Founders thought without attribution, probably using the power of his mind. He cherry picks a pithy out of context quote from Jefferson, and blows a little squid ink half admitting that not all the Founders agreed about absolutely everything. The Unitary Executive seems to rest almost entirely on a few memos from the OLC when Reagan/ Bush was happening. So, yeah, basically a bunch of bullshit for some Fed Soc fanboys, and sucker ass journos.

  40. 40.

    piratedan

    September 24, 2022 at 6:55 pm

    Mr Barr is applying that ol’ Conservative playbook….

     

    rule 1: rules for thee but not for me

    rule 2: we make the rules

    “We” being the Religious Right, The Narcissistic Rich and their assorted catspaws

  41. 41.

    bjacques

    September 24, 2022 at 6:58 pm

    Nothing but good apples in the GOP, without the self-awareness to realize they’re permanently spattered with bad applesauce.

    I reckon Barr’s fascination with a near-monarch executive waned 1992-2000 and 2008-2016 but came roaring back to life after that.

    The country would have had a better AG in Roseanne Barr than with Bill Barr.

  42. 42.

    sab 🐕

    September 24, 2022 at 6:59 pm

    @Dan B: Oh my.

    OT: In my little city our once rich now not thriving West Hill neighborhood has a a lot of single family mansions now divided into multiple apartments on the side streets. Mansions on the main streets have mostly been knocked down.

    One old house I have always loved and worried about was a three storey Swiss Chalet style mansion with intricately carved timber balconies. It has been sliding into disrepair for decades. It is a block away from St Vincent School where LeBron James went to high school and played basketball. He has done amazing things for this run down neighborhood but not this house.

    Drove by the old mansion the other day, and it has been all spruced up. Out front a big banner: ” Bayard Rustin LBGT Resource Center”.

    Heartening that not all of Ohio is horrible.

    ETA I need to get that cute dog out of my nym.

  43. 43.

    SpaceUnit

    September 24, 2022 at 7:05 pm

    I think Barr going to bat for Trump’s kids shows how ugly things got between him and TFG.  He’s definitely sending a message.  He’s saying, “See, I’ll go on Fox News and defend your family.  Just not you.  Maybe you shouldn’t have called me a pussy in front of the White House kitchen staff.”

    He’s a bitter dude.

  44. 44.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    September 24, 2022 at 7:06 pm

    @Another Scott: ​
      19 pages? No way Dump reads more than a half page of anything let alone something painful boring.

    I imagine the target audience was Hannity, Jared, Lindsey, Fox and Friends, Chris Christie, Thomas Barrack who would then translate it into baby talk for the Beast.

  45. 45.

    Dan B

    September 24, 2022 at 7:13 pm

    @sab 🐕: Very nice news.

    I was at my parents one Christmas and met a friend from Seattle who was visiting his family.  We headed into town with our Damron’s Gay Guide intent on finding a gay bar.  We went to one which was brightly lot with fluorescent lights and a smattering of bored looking guys.  Then we checked out a dirty bookstore that didn’t know of any gay bars nor did the cabbie outside.  We headed home ahead of a blizzard.

    Seems things may have changed.

  46. 46.

    NotMax

    September 24, 2022 at 7:14 pm

    Difficult to discern which is more rotten, the apples or the barrel.

  47. 47.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    September 24, 2022 at 7:15 pm

    @bjacques: ​
      We would have been better off with Simon Bar Sinister. Though I hear Roseanne does a compelling rendition of the Star Spangled Banner.

  48. 48.

    Subsole

    September 24, 2022 at 7:24 pm

     

     

    @James E Powell: Game respect game, as the kids say.

    At this point, is there any real doubt that most of the network talking (air)heads are sympathizers or outright collaborators?

    They keep sticking Barr in our face because they like him and agree with him and want him to win.

  49. 49.

    Jeffro

    September 24, 2022 at 7:27 pm

    Barr just wants trumpov out of the way, before he can do any more damage to the GOP.  trumpov has definitely outlived his usefulness (mostly because he’s out of office, but also because there are like eight gazillion investigations going on).  The party can only have it both ways for so long before its voters start to wonder why GOP officials aren’t either siding with trumpov or condemning him.

     

    Barr said what he did about the trumpov kids because Barr himself has a daughter who’s in the thick of the Rs’ efforts to undermine democracy and the rule of law.  No need to bring the trumpov kids into it! he says, just bring him down on his own, we don’t need people looking too closely at the children of powerful, corrupt people.

  50. 50.

    James E Powell

    September 24, 2022 at 7:30 pm

    @Subsole:

    They keep sticking Barr in our face because they like him and agree with him and want him to win.

    See also, Chris Christie.

  51. 51.

    Feathers

    September 24, 2022 at 7:33 pm

    OT: From a protest in Iran – flag made from hair chopped off by women protesting the murder of Mahsa Amini

  52. 52.

    JaySinWA

    September 24, 2022 at 7:33 pm

    @Martin: I bet they get more punishment for the destruction of the police vehicle than the injuries to the person under arrest. OTOH the person injured should have one hell of a civil suit.

  53. 53.

    Gin & Tonic

    September 24, 2022 at 7:34 pm

    @Dan B: Man, that gay agenda is *everywhere* now.

  54. 54.

    prostratedragon

    September 24, 2022 at 7:35 pm

    @Martin:  I’m struggling to think of a job simple enough that this shit-for-brains could be entrusted with. The train engineer should be at least second in line with him, if not a proxy for the victim.

  55. 55.

    Captain C

    September 24, 2022 at 7:37 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Barr just wants trumpov out of the way, before he can do any more damage to the GOP.

    This.  Barr has always been a coverup artist working to protect the GOP in service of its and his vision of an absolutist, imperial Presidency.  Trump is now an impediment to this goal.

    Barr said what he did about the trumpov kids because Barr himself has a daughter who’s in the thick of the Rs’ efforts to undermine democracy and the rule of law.  No need to bring the trumpov kids into it! he says, just bring him down on his own, we don’t need people looking too closely at the children of powerful, corrupt people.

    I mean, come on!  Isn’t it completely unreasonable that adult children who are in their 30s and 40s and officers of a company should be required, nay even expected to do the proper due diligence that their positions would suggest is otherwise necessary?!?  Whatever is this world coming to?  Scions having to do do their jobs properly and obey the law?  That’s for people who aren’t skilled enough to be rich, powerful Republicans!

  56. 56.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 24, 2022 at 7:43 pm

    @Captain C: My mind returns again and again to Tamir Rice.  And Michael Brown.

  57. 57.

    sab 🐕

    September 24, 2022 at 7:51 pm

    @Dan B: Changed a lot. Highland Square ( W. Market and Portage Path) is now considered to be a gay neighborhood.

  58. 58.

    eclare

    September 24, 2022 at 7:55 pm

    @sab 🐕:

    Very good news!  And I like the cute dog.

  59. 59.

    Jay

    September 24, 2022 at 7:55 pm

    @prostratedragon:

    ” The train engineer should be at least second in line with him, if not a proxy for the victim.”

     

    How Long Does it Take for a Train to Stop?
    According to the Minnesota Safety Council, (Minnesota Operation Lifesaver Inc.) “The average freight train is about 1 to 1¼ miles in length (90 to 120 rail cars). When it’s moving at 55 miles an hour, it can take a mile or more to stop after the locomotive engineer fully applies the emergency brake. An 8-car passenger train moving at 80 miles an hour needs about a mile to stop.

  60. 60.

    HumboldtBlue

    September 24, 2022 at 7:59 pm

    Gavin Newsom coming after DeSantis is what I am here for today.

  61. 61.

    sab 🐕

    September 24, 2022 at 7:59 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: Cuyahoga County had Tamir Rice’s body for almost a year. Holding for evidence. They couldn’t even let that grieving family bury their boy in a reasonable time. Hung everything up pending the legal settlement

    ETA Twelve year old (and he looked that young) boy with an obviously toy gun running up to show the cops.  He thought they were his friends.

  62. 62.

    Captain C

    September 24, 2022 at 8:02 pm

    @Chetan Murthy:

    @sab 🐕:

    As always, the cruelty is a central point.

  63. 63.

    sab

    September 24, 2022 at 8:05 pm

    I need to get rid of that cute dog

    EtA: Yay gone.

  64. 64.

    horatius

    September 24, 2022 at 8:07 pm

    @MisterDancer: ​
      Alien and Sedition Act would totally have nailed the shitgibbon though, along with the entire Republican party and the various fascist groups.

  65. 65.

    prostratedragon

    September 24, 2022 at 8:10 pm

    I have got to stop doing this. Have been running “Astral Traveling” through my mind lately, for the first time in years.
    Pharoah Sanders, RIP

  66. 66.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 24, 2022 at 8:11 pm

    @sab 🐕: I did not know that [about poor Tamir’s body].  I don’t know what to say, it’s just …. so awful.

  67. 67.

    Tony G

    September 24, 2022 at 8:24 pm

    @SpaceUnit: A guy like Barr has no shame, so I don’t think this is bothering him at all.

  68. 68.

    Albatrossity

    September 24, 2022 at 8:32 pm

    Barr has replaced Kissinger in my pantheon of “vile excuse for a human being”.

  69. 69.

    CarolPW

    September 24, 2022 at 8:36 pm

    @Jay: Pretty sure they meant second in line as one damaged, not as one at fault.

  70. 70.

    eclare

    September 24, 2022 at 8:41 pm

    @CarolPW:   I hope your take is correct, that confused me too.

  71. 71.

    Jay

    September 24, 2022 at 8:47 pm

    @CarolPW:

    aaaaaah, thanks.

    It’s rare that a train even “feels” the impact with a car, SUV, truck, Semi truck.

    The big impact for Train crews is emotional.

  72. 72.

    eversor

    September 24, 2022 at 9:02 pm

    Bill Barr said he did it for Christianity, repeatedly, in public, just as Alito and the Jan 6 people did.  So again, unless we are going to get rid of Christianity utterly they will win eventually.  And anyone who “not true Scottsmans” Bill Barr on Christianity or “Good Germans” Christianity is just as fucking guilty as Barr and Trump for all the shit we are in.

    Deal with Christianity or we are done as a nation.  And if you are not willing to deal with Christianity than talking about Trumpers or Republicans are laughable.

  73. 73.

    SpaceUnit

    September 24, 2022 at 9:02 pm

    @Tony G:

    Lack of shame doesn’t mean a lack of self-regard.

  74. 74.

    HumboldtBlue

    September 24, 2022 at 9:03 pm

    Gavin Newsom on right-wing media and empathy for MAGA supporters: “I get why people believe this stuff. They’re not deplorable. The people promoting the BS are,” he said. “At the end of the day, there’s this quest we’re all on for belonging. We all want to be loved.”

    Also, there have already been TWO handshakes given out on the season of Great British Baking Show, and it’s only episode 2!

  75. 75.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    September 24, 2022 at 9:03 pm

    @Cameron:

    I’d call that being observant.

  76. 76.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 24, 2022 at 9:05 pm

    @eversor: Do you advise put them in camps or just killing them?

    ETA: What is your plan for a final solution?

  77. 77.

    Dan B

    September 24, 2022 at 9:10 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: We control the Gay Weather Machine.  You know – hurricanes.  Beware!!

    Gay Jews get Laser Space Hurricanes, or so I’m told.

  78. 78.

    eclare

    September 24, 2022 at 9:13 pm

    @Jay:   Oh absolutely, PTSD for years for the crew.

  79. 79.

    Baud

    September 24, 2022 at 9:13 pm

    @Dan B:

    Stupid sexy storm surge.

  80. 80.

    eclare

    September 24, 2022 at 9:15 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:   Wow!  I gave up Netflix a few months ago, may have to rejoin.

  81. 81.

    Dan B

    September 24, 2022 at 9:15 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: I’m more of a please compost my body and have a nice party person but when people are not allowed the rituals they need to grieve it’s heartwrenching.

  82. 82.

    eclare

    September 24, 2022 at 9:16 pm

    @Baud:   Nice alliteration.

  83. 83.

    JanieM

    September 24, 2022 at 9:18 pm

    @sab 🐕: And then they billed his family for the ambulance.

    I can’t remember if that was before or after the president of the Cleveland police union lectured the family about how to use the settlement money to educate children on gun safety.

    ETA:

    Salon article’s subheading: “No word on better training to prevent Cleveland police from shooting children in Ohio, an open-carry state”

  84. 84.

    a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)

    September 24, 2022 at 9:26 pm

    William Barr is not in search of a Big Daddy to tell him what to do. He and his ilk see themselves either as Big Daddy or Big Daddy’s wise advisers, leading the mobile vulgus, the common crowd, if you will, along the proper paths to secure the safety of society (that is, them, their friends and family, and especially their property). You can see their precursors in Edward Rutledge & his clique in 1776, and if you don’t recall that, or have never seen it, here is a sample.

    Barr sees himself as an aristocrat, and would say that he and his are meant, by virtue of their superior qualities, to raise up the executive from among their number, and to act as his advisers and assistants. The rest of us should not aspire even as high as Eliot’s Prufrock:

    “No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
    Am an attendant lord, one that will do
    To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
    Advise the prince, no doubt, an easy tool,
    Deferential, glad to be of use,
    Politics, cautious, and meticulous:
    Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
    At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
    Almost, at times, the Fool.”

    We are meant to be nurses, comic gravediggers, jesters, guards, innkeepers, shepherds, strolling players, comical watchmen and the like, sadly necessary to the plot but clearly Common Folk, requiring a firm hand at all times.

    Barr & his like still twitch at the memory of the Peasant’s Rebellion and Wat Tyler’s followers chanting “When Adam delved and Eve span, who then was a gentleman.” They are here, ever vigilant, to guide the state into safer courses. For them.

  85. 85.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 24, 2022 at 9:28 pm

    @JanieM: Saw this just now: dailykos.com/stories/2022/9/24/2124622/-Cartoon-Nina?pm_campaign=blog&pm_medium=rss&pm_sou…

    A cartoon of Nina Simone, saying: “I’ll tell you what freedom is to me: No fear”.  I remember when I didn’t fear white society.  Now?  I’ll always live in majority-minority areas of Blue states.  Sure, I still fear the po-po, but maybe just maybe I might emerge from an interaction with body and soul intact.  Maybe.

  86. 86.

    Immanentize

    September 24, 2022 at 9:32 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: like a moth to flame you are.

  87. 87.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 24, 2022 at 9:33 pm

    @Immanentize: Slamming my hand in a drawer would probably be a better use of my time.

  88. 88.

    Gin & Tonic

    September 24, 2022 at 9:36 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Ours too.

  89. 89.

    Bill Arnold

    September 24, 2022 at 9:36 pm

    @eversor:

    Deal with ChristianityChristian Supremacy or we are done as a nation.

    Fixed. (Many/most people here would agree with that version.)

  90. 90.

    raven

    September 24, 2022 at 9:38 pm

    @Immanentize: A nice day at the North Georgia Folk Festival.  

    Part of it was a tribute to Art Rosenbaum, UGA Art Professor, Painter and Grammy Award winner for “Art of Field Recording Vol.I: Fifty Years of American Traditional Music,” a four-disc collection of American folk music compiled with Lance Ledbetter and illustrated with photos by Margo, won a 2008 Grammy award for Best Documentary Recording..

  91. 91.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 24, 2022 at 9:40 pm

    @Bill Arnold: And then some of us would amend that further, to note that there are religious fanatics of every creed, including Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, and they’re all terrible — unsurprisingly, in the same ways!  So it’s not even specific to Christianity.  Just …. in the US, that’s the most prevalent sort.

  92. 92.

    Cameron

    September 24, 2022 at 9:41 pm

    @a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio): I hear the MAGAs singing, each to each./ I do not think that they will sing to me.

  93. 93.

    The Lodger

    September 24, 2022 at 9:52 pm

    @Dan B: Gay Weather Machine? Is that what turned Hermine into Ian?

  94. 94.

    Frankensteinbeck

    September 24, 2022 at 9:53 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: ​
    And it’s more race than religion. They change their religion to match the bigotries of their tribe.

  95. 95.

    CarolPW

    September 24, 2022 at 9:54 pm

    @Cameron: You should be happy they won’t. And I have many suggestions about where they might put that peach.

  96. 96.

    Immanentize

    September 24, 2022 at 9:56 pm

    @raven: I am jealous! Have you checked out the compilation? That is just the thing I need to cheer me up.

  97. 97.

    a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)

    September 24, 2022 at 9:59 pm

    @Cameron: 🌟🌟🌟

    😏

  98. 98.

    Immanentize

    September 24, 2022 at 10:00 pm

    @a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio): @Cameron:

    Me? I should have been a pair of ragged claws, scuttling across the floors of silent seas. I would have had a perhaps shorter life, but how happy I would have been.

  99. 99.

    NotMax

    September 24, 2022 at 10:01 pm

    @Cameron

    I Know Why the Raged Turd Sings.

    //

  100. 100.

    Cameron

    September 24, 2022 at 10:02 pm

    @CarolPW: I think they’d be more likely to tell me ‘fuck your feelings.’

  101. 101.

    raven

    September 24, 2022 at 10:03 pm

    @Immanentize: Not in a while. They had a vocal group singing sea shanties and ended with “Shenandoah”. Crusher

    This wasn’t them but it’ll do.

  102. 102.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 24, 2022 at 10:04 pm

    major speech delivered to the Federalist Society

    There you go. He’s part of the seditious lot who want to repeal The Enlightenment. No quarter for him, or the rest of the scum of the Federalist Society.

  103. 103.

    Cameron

    September 24, 2022 at 10:05 pm

    @NotMax: :)

  104. 104.

    Immanentize

    September 24, 2022 at 10:05 pm

    @raven: PS — this probably explains his extraordinary artistic nature:
    “Born in Ogdensburg, N.Y.”
    that is way the hell north on the St. Lawrence.

    ETA Bed for me. Exhaustion has captured my mind. Thanks for the ref to good music (again).

  105. 105.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 24, 2022 at 10:06 pm

    @eversor: HIS version of “Christianity” that has nothing to do with Jesus of Nazareth.

  106. 106.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 24, 2022 at 10:06 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: Indeed.

  107. 107.

    Suzanne

    September 24, 2022 at 10:07 pm

    Barr is smart enough to realize that the Trump moment has passed……nothing more.

  108. 108.

    Immanentize

    September 24, 2022 at 10:08 pm

    @Suzanne: And one doesn’t need to be that smart to realize that.

  109. 109.

    Ruckus

    September 24, 2022 at 10:08 pm

    @Cameron:

    John Goodman is at least a thousand times more human than Bill Barr could ever even hope to be.

  110. 110.

    raven

    September 24, 2022 at 10:10 pm

    @Immanentize: Here are his murals, #3 is the History of Wine. The prototype is in the famous “Globe” here in Athens and the full mural is at Chateau Elan.

  111. 111.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 24, 2022 at 10:11 pm

    TFG is the inevitable end product of a 60 year trend in the GQp to make race the central idiom of their electoral appeal. Nixon was more afraid of George Wallace than Ed Muskie. Bill Barr got exactly the candidate he wanted in 2016. Needless to say, fuck Bill Barr and the rest of the GQp “establishment”, who, like the German industrialists in the 1930s, thought they could control a monster.

  112. 112.

    zhena gogolia

    September 24, 2022 at 10:20 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: That’s what I was like when I met him, and he wasn’t even president yet.

  113. 113.

    livewyre

    September 24, 2022 at 10:22 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: There’s no shame in confronting genocidal bigotry when it appears on our own doorstep. As we’ve discovered in the last century, religion and ethnicity are not so easily separated. The only question is what measures to take against such abuse.

  114. 114.

    zhena gogolia

    September 24, 2022 at 10:31 pm

    @Ruckus: So is Droopy Dawg.

  115. 115.

    James E Powell

    September 24, 2022 at 10:33 pm

    Watching My Beloved Buckeyes dominating the Wisconsin Badgers, I’ve seen a Caruso for Mayor of Los Angeles ad every other break.

    Maybe I’m just too jaded, but everything he says is bullshit. He is making promises – I will build homes! – that he couldn’t deliver on even if he had any intention of doing so

    My issue, of course, is that voters are just dumb enough to fall for it.

  116. 116.

    Timill

    September 24, 2022 at 10:33 pm

    @a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio): “The answer was, of course, Adam, but the mystics of the Church had concealed this dangerous knowledge.”

  117. 117.

    James E Powell

    September 24, 2022 at 10:42 pm

    @eversor:

    So again, unless we are going to get rid of Christianity utterly they will win eventually.

    If I recall my history correctly, Christianity grew rather vigorously when people were trying to get rid of it.

    One of my beliefs about humans – general & not iron clad – is that it is really hard to get them to stop doing something. You have to convince them to start doing something else instead.

  118. 118.

    Ruckus

    September 24, 2022 at 10:55 pm

    @a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio):

    Yep. They are the chosen and we are the help. They do not want an actual democracy because that makes everyone equal. Conservatives like having a false democracy, one where they get the first cast offs from the rich and chosen. That is actually the way the world has been since the invention of a sharp knife, all the way up to nuclear warfare. This is one of the few countries that has become an actual democracy, and we have to keep the shitheads from fucking that up, because they will fight that with every breath in their bodies, because they think that the old way is the only way, that’s what makes them conservatives, never upset the very wealthy because they will fuck us over. But we need to be strong and tax the wealthy like we get taxed. They will still be wealthy, just not as much and our lives will be improved dramatically. But the wealthy are going to throw a lot of their spare change to fight forcing them to be responsible citizens.

  119. 119.

    cmorenc

    September 24, 2022 at 11:45 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    I can’t imagine what the explanation is other than another vicious, sadistic cop. This is the oddest story I’ve read in a while.

    I seriously doubt the result was actually intentional by the cops, rather than a textbook example of criminally reckless negligence of the sort that should, had Ms Gonzalez died, have resulted in at least charges of involuntary manslaughter against the cops.  That’s because had the collision been a deliberate setup, the cops would be incredibly stupid to not realize before hand they would be left with no plausible non-criminal explanation that could avoid a charge of premeditated murder – for one thing, the railroad would have an intense interest in pursuing an investigation that would exculpate the railroad and pin likely criminal responsibility on the cops.

    THAT SAID: let’s see if the local county D.A. winds up filing serious charges against the involved cops, or else tries to engage in a protracted investigation designed to foot-drag and obfuscate, with the end result of letting the cops off without any criminal charges.    See, e.g. the D.A.’s tactics in the Michael Brown case in Ferguson, Mo.

  120. 120.

    RandomMonster

    September 24, 2022 at 11:47 pm

    Also, Barr had Epstein murdered. ALLEDGEDLEY.

  121. 121.

    catclub

    September 25, 2022 at 12:11 am

    @Captain C: vision of an absolutist, imperial [GOP] Presidency.

     

    FTFY

  122. 122.

    Brachiator

    September 25, 2022 at 12:48 am

    @Martin:

    Why the fuck do you park your patrol car on the train tracks?

    Just seeing this post. Glad the woman survived.

    It is beyond incompetence that the idiot cops would park a vehicle on railroad tracks. Jesus fucking Christ!

  123. 123.

    ColoradoGuy

    September 25, 2022 at 3:36 am

    It makes you wonder if the cops live in a cartoon Dick Tracy universe, where trains can instantly stop because cops order them to. Not that different than MAGA world, where all of TFG’s words are magically and instantly true.

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