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In true Halloween-exploitation spirit, Dr. Frankstein is appalled to discover what his monster is capable of…

Jan6 terrorists have apparently been sharing rumors about the ‘country-club conditions’ at Gitmo again…

And the SEC decides that the best target to discourage the rubes from ‘investing’ in crypto is… a billionaire celebrity whose appeal, I think we can safely say, is not to the CryptoBros:

The Chinese proverb says Kill a chicken to scare the monkeys… but what if all the monkeys are congratulating each other Good thing *we’re* not dumb chickens!… ?

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  3. 3.

    mrmoshpotato

    34 J6 defendants have signed a letter complaining about conditions in the DC Jail, and are requesting that they be transferred to Guantanamo Bay.

    Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

    We don’t like being in jail for trying to overthrow the government!!!!!!

    Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!

    Cry harder, Trump trash!

    Ahoy there!

  4. 4.

    Brachiator

    The editorial board of Rupert Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal warns that it is possible for inflammatory rhetoric from people with large megaphones and devoted followings to spur political violence.

    I guess the editorial board has a little independence. If Rupert Murdoch himself believed this, he would shut down Fox News and Sky News.

  5. 5.

    trollhattan

    Odd, that they want to be just some concertina wire away from a nation awash in Mexican* Commies.

    *Please convince me they don’t think this.

  7. 7.

    Brachiator

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

    We don’t like being in jail for trying to overthrow the government!!!!!!

    I wonder how many of these dopes think that bad jail conditions are just fine for certain other people?

  9. 9.

    geg6

    @Brachiator:

    This.

    As for the J6 terrorists, I’m fine with sending them to Gitmo.  Buhbye!

    And fuck Kim Kardashian.  She’s trash.  Her whole family and milieu are trash.  And she can definitely afford it.  She didn’t follow the law and got dinged for what, for her, is a minor fine.  Good.

  10. 10.

    Gravenstone

    By all means, lobby to be shipped to Gitmo. Let’s give them the full experience and let them take a ride (or 20) on the waterboard express. I’m sure there are still a few practitioners who could be coaxed out of hiding to afford them the full E ticket experience.

  11. 11.

    suzanne

    34 J6 defendants have signed a letter complaining about conditions in the DC Jail, and are requesting that they be transferred to Guantanamo Bay.

    i fully support this.
    I’d prefer they go snuggle with Osama bin Laden, terrorists can stick together.

  13. 13.

    Dan B

    I hope the waterboarding is with bottled water or seltzer.

    BTW 87% of DC inmates are black.  There might be some name calling.  Poor Jan 6 boiz.;<(

  15. 15.

    Jackie

    Gitmo was made for holding  terrorists, so…  I think it’s the perfect prison for them.

  17. 17.

    Brachiator

    In true Halloween-exploitation spirit, Dr. Frankstein is appalled to discover what his monster is capable of…

    The GOP and much of the media have underestimated the danger that Trump represented from the moment he decided to enter the Republican primary. And now we not only have Trump to worry about, but also his son of Frankenstein mini-me DeSantis, and probably a few others.

    It was a while before I saw Trump’s stupid threat about McConnell and his vile insult of McConnell ‘s wife. But it is typical that the GOP is mostly silent and much of the press only offers mild rebuke.

  19. 19.

    Ken

    @Brachiator: It’s possible that Trump, following his usual practice of getting compromising information on everyone who works with or for him, has some for Elaine Chao. It may implicate McConnell indirectly.

  20. 20.

    Geminid

    This morning’s Politico Playbook tells me that on Wednesday in Kansas, Governor Laura Kelly will debate her Republican challenger; on Thursday in Arizona, Senator Mark Kelly will debate Blake Masters; and on Friday in North Carolina, former state Supreme Court Justice Cherie Beasley will debate Representative Ted Budd.

    I think Charlie Crist will have his only debate with Ron DeSantis next week. DeSantis chickened out of the long running Before You Vote debate that would be shown statewide. Instead he agreed to a debate on a South Florida TV station owned by Sinclair Broadcasting.

  21. 21.

    Brachiator

    @Ken:

    It’s possible that Trump, following his usual practice of getting compromising information on everyone who works with or for him, has some for Elaine Chao. It may implicate McConnell indirectly.

    I don’t think that Trump has compromising information on anyone. I don’t think that he was even sly enough to assemble compromising information on anyone while he was president. He is not that smart.

    I could be wrong and am willing to be severely corrected, but I am not aware of any scandal that hurt a politician that was linked to material coming from Trump, directly or indirectly.

    Trump is mainly a master of bullshit. But there are, strangely, people eager to follow him.

  23. 23.

    Quiltingfool

    OT!  Tomorrow I am mailing Ukraine blocks to these fine folks:

    Kristine, Tinare, Ann Marie, Eight Cousin, Subaru Diane, greengoblin, emrys, zhena gogolia, Janie M, Notorious JRT, Middlelee and Glidwrith

    These folks are getting a partial shipment – I have to make 7 #25s and as soon as those are done I’ll send them straightaway:

    13000, LS, Sacreblue, SkyBluePink, Lodger/NoOneYouKnow, and Carol WP

    GB – you are also getting a #25 when it’s done (don’t want you to think I’ve forgotten about you!).

    I do have 3 blocks, all finished, just in case anyone wants to make a donation…

    I don’t know the numbers offhand, but I have a Tank Cat, a FolkArt Sunflower Cat and a pair of Sawtooth Cats.  Here’s a link to the photos:

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    Дякую тобі! слава україні!
    Dyakuyu tobi!  Slava Ukraini!

  24. 24.

    Geminid

    @Brachiator: Hell, McConnell hasn’t said anything either. He’s got his eyes on the prize: a Republican Congress. McConnell’s not taking trump’s bait and getting into a public wrangle that could depress Republican turnout.

    J6 Commitee Chairman Bennie Thompson has denounced trump’s attack, though.

  26. 26.

    Gin & Tonic

    Anybody who followed Kim Kardashian’s advice and invested in Ethereum Max tokens is too stupid to be allowed to have money.

  28. 28.

    Delk

    In other news, I just got reapproved for another year of financial help for my stupidly expensive HIV meds. It’s first come, first served of a limited pile of cash. I am relieved.

  29. 29.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Matt Fuller @MEPFuller

    Here it is: Herschel Walker got a girlfriend pregnant in 2009, urged her to get an abortion, and then reimbursed her for the procedure.
    Herschel Walker also says there should be no exceptions for abortion. (Except for himself I guess.)

    A woman who asked not to be identified out of privacy concerns told The Daily Beast that, after she and Walker conceived a child while they were dating in 2009, he urged her to get an abortion. The woman said she had the procedure and that Walker reimbursed her for it.

    She supported these claims with a $575 receipt from the abortion clinic, a “get well” card from Walker, and a bank deposit receipt that included an image of a signed $700 personal check from Walker

    We’ll see if it moves the needle.

  37. 37.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Quiltingfool:

    Tomorrow I am mailing Ukraine blocks to these fine folks:

    Kristine, Tinare, Ann Marie, Eight Cousin, Subaru Diane, greengoblin, emrys, zhena gogolia, Janie M, Notorious JRT, Middlelee and Glidwrith

    Ohboyohboyohboyohboyohboy.…

  38. 38.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Quiltingfool: Just a minor note, but you should say “Дякую Вам/Dyakuyu Vam.” Вам is both the plural “you” and the polite form – think of the difference between tu and usted in Spanish. And whether you write “Тобі” or “Вам” it is capitalized, as a sign of respect.

  40. 40.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Delk:

    Very happy to hear that good news, and I’m thrilled that you’re a beneficiary! But it’s distressing to know it all comes down to timing, “luck of the draw,” and other random factors. That shouldn’t happen in a (theoretically) civilised and (supposedly) mature country.

  41. 41.

    Percysowner

    An unhappy blast from the past! Now that my daughter is over 30 and has kids of her own, I thought I would never think about John Rosemond again, but here he is Living with Children: Why you shouldn’t high-five a child<
    From the article

    “Dad,” my son once said, “(His then-5-year-old) doesn’t understand why you won’t high-five him.”
    “I don’t expect him to understand, and I’m not going to explain myself to him.”
    “Well, I don’t understand either,” he said.
    “I’m not going to explain myself to you, either,” I said, to his chagrin.

    No, he’s NOT kidding. If you don’t know who John Rosemond is, just know that he thinks spanking is great, although he does draw the line at whipping kids, thinks that you toilet train at 2 no matter if your kid is ready or not, that ADHD is a made up condition and that if a child is molested under the age of 3, they don’t need no stinking therapy, they won’t remember it.
    30+ years of sickening advice and he’s still a big syndicated columnist going out to papers across the nation. Yuck!​

    Also I see my grandkids tomorrow, High-fives all around!

  43. 43.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @WaterGirl: I was thinking it hasn’t hurt Scott DesJarlais, then verifying I see SDJ has a few other things in common with Walker

    DesJarlais and his second wife, Amy, have three children.[60] They live in South Pittsburg. They are members of the Epiphany Mission Episcopal Church in Sherwood, Tennessee.[61]

    During a trial for his divorce from his first wife in 2000, DesJarlais testified that he had sexual affairs with at least two patients, three coworkers and a drug representative while he was working as a hospital chief of staff.[62]

    Despite his public opposition to legal abortion, DesJarlais encouraged his ex-wife to terminate two pregnancies and encouraged a former patient with whom he was having an affair to get an abortion.[63]

    In divorce documents, DesJarlais’s first wife accused him of “dry firing a gun outside [her] locked bedroom door, admission of suicidal ideation, holding a gun in his mouth for three hours, an incident of physical intimidation at the hospital; and previous threatening behavior … i.e. shoving, tripping, pushing down, etc.”[64]

  44. 44.

    Citizen_X

    @trollhattan: *Please convince me they don’t think this.

    I dunno. I guarantee you, though, that a lot of them have Col. Jessup’s speech from A Few Good Men about “you need me on that wall” memorized.

    Whether they realize that “that wall” is the perimeter of Gitmo or not, I have no idea.

  45. 45.

    Urza

    @WaterGirl: Hypocrisy is a required ingredient for any conservative.  If they didn’t have it how would their followers know that they to can ignore rules on a whim so long as they’re the right crowd.

  47. 47.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Brachiator:

    I wonder how many of these dopes think that bad jail conditions are just fine for certain other people? 

    Seeing as how they’re all Trump trash, I vote All Of These Dopes.

  50. 50.

    Leto

    Idk if we’ve spoken about this (haven’t had a chance to read comments today), but holy fucking shit:

    John Fetterman@JohnFetterman
    US Senate candidate, PA

    BREAKING: Dr. Oz is a puppy killer.

    2:59 PM · Oct 3, 2022

    Fetterman tweet links to this Jezebel article: Dr. Oz’s Scientific Experiments Killed Over 300 Dogs, Entire Litter of Puppies Columbia’s internal investigation found that Oz’s research team inflicted extensive suffering on canine test subjects in violation of the Animal Welfare Act.

    In a scandal that will surely make Mitt Romney—who famously strapped his family dog atop the roof of his car for a road trip—look like a PETA activist, a review of 75 studies published by Mehmet Oz between 1989 and 2010 reveals the Republican Senate candidate’s research killed over 300 dogs and inflicted significant suffering on them and the other animals used in experiments.

    Oz, the New Jersey resident who’s currently running for U.S. Senate from Pennsylvania, was a “principal investigator” at the Columbia University Institute of Comparative Medicine labs for years and assumed “full scientific, administrative, and fiscal responsibility for the conduct” of his studies. Over the course of 75 studies published in academic journals reviewed by Jezebel, Oz’s team conducted experiments on at least 1,027 live animal subjects that included dogs, pigs, calves, rabbits, and small rodents. Thirty-four of these experiments resulted in the deaths of at least 329 dogs, while two of his experiments killed 31 pigs, and 38 experiments killed 661 rabbits and rodents.

    Just fucking inhumane. I know we use animals for testing, but jfc.

  52. 52.

    Geminid

    @Jackie: A funny incident in the Herschel Walker abortion story is that while Walker issued a flat denial and said this never happened, Erik Erickson tweeted that this was old news “we all” knew about, and that people change.

  53. 53.

    Tazj

    I remember Desjarlais. I didn’t know he was still in Congress but of course he still is.

    Erick Erickson says that Walker paying for an abortion is old news, “we all knew it,” and besides Walker is denying it.

    Well, ok then, that’s the end of it. It’s supposedly the worst thing in the world to them but as long as you’re willing to vote to deny everyone else their rights all is forgiven.

  55. 55.

    Baud

    Former president Donald Trump asked one of his lawyers to tell the National Archives and Records Administration in early 2022 that Trump had returned all materials requested by the agency, but the lawyer declined because he was not sure the statement was true, according to people familiar with the matter.

  57. 57.

    Quiltingfool

    @Gin & Tonic: Oh, my, sorry about that!  I should have asked you first.  Beware of internet translations!

    I studied French (and a bit of Spanish and German) long ago, and learned you must be careful with formal and informal nouns.  Obviously I have zero knowledge of Ukrainian, but I loved leaning different languages when I was young.   I would enjoy learning Ukrainian!

  58. 58.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Tazj:

    @Geminid:

    How is this is “old news” and “they all knew it” according to Erickson? This was all hush-hush and Walker has tried to flat out deny it even happened

  59. 59.

    Princess

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: No one in Georgia will care about this woman’s abortion. He’ll cry and say he found Jesus or something. They know he’ll vote the way they want. That’s all that matters. They don’t care about what he does.

  62. 62.

    Quiltingfool

    @Van Buren: You’ve got dibs!  I believe you go to the Ukraine donation link in the sidebar, make a donation and send a confirmation to WaterGirl.  You also need to give her your mailing address.  She’ll let me know and I’ll ship it to you.

    I’m making a note of this, so I will keep an eye out for her email!

  63. 63.

    Hoodie

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): It was one of his other personalities, most of which are now supposedly gone.  It’s mindboggling that this guy is a candidate for the US Senate.  Having attended college in GA around the time that Herschel was a star, it was pretty well known that he was, so to speak, unique.  However, Johnson and Tuberville have set the bar really low.

  64. 64.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Princess: yeah, you’re probably right. Anyone voting for that sad, exploited man at this point is probably un-movable.

    I think I saw a couple of people saying they expect that race to go to a run-off. Is there a third (or fourth?) candidate?

    ETA:

    @Hoodie:

    However, Johnson and Tuberville have set the bar really low.

    Don’t forget Marsha Blackburn

  65. 65.

    hueyplong

    So rape, incest and the life of the mother are not exceptions to an abortion ban; the lone exception is a GOP politician as the father.

  66. 66.

    livewyre

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): It would be entirely plausible for Erickson to be inclined to portray events not entirely accurately in order to influence a political outcome. For instance, downplaying the significance of an event without technically uttering a falsehood is a common tactic to mislead. Would not advise taking such statements too literally.

  75. 75.

    Geminid

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: A Libertarian candidate helped keep David Perdue below 50% in the November 2020 election. That could happen again if it’s a close race between Warnock and Walker. Georgia is one of the Libertarian Party’s stronger states.

  81. 81.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    Fundies never cared about abortion.  It’s just an issue they use to cover for racism.

     

    In discussions with Falwell, Weyrich cited various social ills that necessitated evangelical involvement in politics, particularly abortion, school prayer and the rise of feminism. His pleas initially fell on deaf ears.
    …
    “I was trying to get those people interested in those issues and I utterly failed,” Weyrich recalled in an interview in the early 1990s. “What changed their mind was Jimmy Carter’s intervention against the Christian schools, trying to deny them tax-exempt status on the basis of so-called de facto segregation.”

  85. 85.

    Quiltingfool

    @Brooklyn Dodger: So glad you like it!  I was looking at a lot of Patron blocks today!  I am rather fond of them, they turned out quite nicely.

    Making a block like Patron has inspired me to make “realistic” dog blocks in the future (don’t tell the cats, lol!). I’ve saved a few photos of Badger and Pete, Betty Cracker’s adorable dogs, and once I get some projects cleared out, I may try my hand at making a Pete block and a Badger block.  I really like Boston Terriers.

  90. 90.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    hasn’t this kid been trolling on his father’s behalf up till now?

    Christian Walker @ChristianWalk1r

    I know my mom and I would really appreciate if my father Herschel Walker stopped lying and making a mockery of us. You’re not a “family man” when you left us to bang a bunch of women, threatened to kill us, and had us move over 6 times in 6 months running from your violence.

  91. 91.

    Brooklyn Dodger

    @Quiltingfool: Go for it. He looks forthright and true. Even a little amused. Don’t know how you can do that with stitches, but it’s really sweet.

  92. 92.

    raven

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Don’t get too excited.

     

    Christian Walker

    @ChristianWalk1r

    ·
    Jun 26, 2021

    People are sick and tired of the woke indoctrination being pushed down their throats every time they go to listen to anything news or entertainment related. My anti-woke podcast UNCANCELLABLE is #1 in entertainment news. Go check it out

  94. 94.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Erick Son Of Erick’s tone has changed rather dramatically in the last few hours

    Erick Erickson. @EWErickson 24m

    I’d largely thought Walker could pull this off despite his baggage. I’ll see what sort of response he mounts, but given text messages tonight, Georgia GOP’ers are praying for Dr. Oz to win. Walker hasn’t mounted a good response to any attack, and this is brutal, probably a KO

    One notable thing here — it wasn’t the Daily Beast story that has gotten GA-GOP types into despair mode. It’s Herschel Walker’s son’s Twitter thread that served as the admission against interest for Walker and it’s all down hill from there.

  95. 95.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud:

    Joyce Alene @JoyceWhiteVance 3h

    If this reporting holds up, “Trump himself eventually packed the boxes that were returned in January,” his conduct would have been so egregious that DOJ will have to indict to maintain the rule of law-anyone else would be indicted, he must be too.

    my boldface

  99. 99.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @James E Powell:

    Richard M. Nixon @dick_nixon 35m

    I understand this view. But the hypocrisy interests me less than a nuclear attack by the very photogenic and publicity-hungry son

    ETA: as I said above, anyone who’s voting for this (brain-damaged?) man is probably not movable, but maybe the accusation of domestic violence from his son? I don’t know how new that is

  100. 100.

    James E Powell

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I’m thinking of all the white people in Alabama who voted for the pedophile. Or the white people in WVa who voted for the guy in prison rather than President Obama in the primary.

    They hate the rest of us & that’s how & why they vote.

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