Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Somebody needs to explain to DeSantis that nobody needs to do anything to make him look bad.

How any woman could possibly vote for this smug smarmy piece of misogynistic crap is beyond understanding.

The worst democrat is better than the best republican.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

Thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege.

Jack Smith: “Why did you start campaigning in the middle of my investigation?!”

Books are my comfort food!

The words do not have to be perfect.

I conferred with the team and they all agree – still not tired of winning!

They were going to turn on one another at some point. It was inevitable.

They think we are photo bombing their nice little lives.

Damn right I heard that as a threat.

Since we are repeating ourselves, let me just say fuck that.

You are so fucked. Still, I wish you the best of luck.

If you still can’t see these things even now, maybe politics isn’t your forte and you should stop writing about it.

Relentless negativity is not a sign that you are more realistic.

I did not have this on my fuck 2024 bingo card.

Accountability, motherfuckers.

FFS people, this was a good thing. take the win.

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

SCOTUS: It’s not “bribery” unless it comes from the Bribery region of France. Otherwise, it’s merely “sparkling malfeasance”.

Republicans: slavery is when you own me. freedom is when I own you.

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This is going to be a nice public display:

Former President Donald J. Trump asked the Supreme Court on Tuesday to intervene in the litigation over sensitive documents that the F.B.I. seized from his Florida estate, saying that an appeals court had lacked jurisdiction to remove them from a special master’s review.

But Mr. Trump’s lawyers did not ask the Supreme Court to overturn the most important part of the appeals court’s intervention: its decision to free the Justice Department to continue using documents with classification markings in its criminal investigation of Mr. Trump’s handling of government records.

The new filing was technical, saying that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit, in Atlanta, had not been authorized to stay aspects of a judge’s order appointing a special master to review all materials that the F.B.I. had seized in its search of Mr. Trump’s residence, Mar-a-Lago.

Again, IANAL and just an idiot online, but this is another opportunity for the Supreme Court to show their arse. It is, from what I understand, for them to rule narrowly in Trump’s favor and simply be applying the law. Where we’ll see just how awful they are is if they take this and use it as another opportunity to just make shit up. That Clarence Thomas has not recused himself is already a sign of what I think they will do.

As to what Trump is trying to accomplish with this, I have no clue. If I were to guess, it is to delay, but more importantly to just get a “win” from the Supreme Court, regardless of how little that “win” actually means. Remember, Trump does not care about the law. Trump cares about people’s perception of him and how he can use things like a decision in his favor to shape the narrative about how he is being persecuted and look EVEN THE SUPREME COURT AGREES WITH ME, knowing full well none of his supporters and most of the media won’t be bothered to figure out what the Court ruling actually means.

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  1. 1.

    A Ghost to Most

    Christian supremacists are irredeemable fascists. They will continue to double down until they are crushed.

  2. 2.

    topclimber

    I am just doing this so someone else can be second.

    Well, that didn’t work. Or did it? The coveted runner-up slot is mine, ha ha!

    Also, too: Trump may be going for the century mark in terms of how many cases he has lost since November 2020.

  3. 3.

    Raoul Paste

    It will be non-stop tantrums from Trump, even after he’s been convicted.   Not looking forward to it

  4. 4.

    NotMax

    So many court cases to follow, but wasn’t the 11th circuit ruling by a panel (in curiam, IIRC)? SCOTUS should properly find the petition premature and boot it back to the 11th circuit pending an en banc ruling.

  5. 5.

    sdhays

    I am clearly not a lawyer, but I don’t understand how an appeals court can’t be authorized to stay a district court order. I thought that was a big part of the job.

  6. 6.

    artem1s

    The only thing I can see they might be able to accomplish is get an opinion that establishes post presidency executive privilege in some way? He’s trying for a reversal or weakening of the previous ruling on releasing documents for the 1/6 investigation.  Given this court’s ability to Twister itself into one time exceptions to keep GQPers happy, I imagine they are capable of pulling almost anything out of their own asses.

  7. 7.

    The Moar You Know

    Again, IANAL and just an idiot online, but this is another opportunity for the Supreme Court to show their arse.

    And they have.  Justice Thomas gets the plea, he handles that circuit.  He’s said he’ll decide whether to take it up in a week or so.  No hurry.

  8. 8.

    NotMax

    Shall once again highly recommend the 1950s radio play The Investigator, at the time a scathing satire on Joe McCarthy, which today can be heard as a no less pointed stiletto aimed at you know who.

  10. 10.

    cain

    @The Moar You Know:
    Yeah, so it’s Thomas whose wife is involved in sedition peddling and who has close ties with Trump. He better recuse himself – otherwise whatever the fuck Alito and Roberts say – the court is showing its bias for Trump.

    ETA #10! OMG – I’m calling my mom.

  11. 11.

    Anonymous At Work

    I am a lawyer and am unclear on the matter too.  The Youthful Federalist, Judge Cannon, ruled outside her technical jurisdiction (Presidential Papers disputes goes to the DC Circuit) and ruled in equity instead, so there’s no law that preempts the 11th Circuit.  Cannon’s Special Master order was final but subject to revision based on TFG’s whining, but the order was final (can’t appeal a non-final order).

    And I can’t get to the NYT article to read more deeply into it.

  13. 13.

    SFAW

    @NotMax: ​
     
    We actually had the vinyl/LP of that opus, I remember listening to it once, in my early teens. For some reason, I had (until a few minutes ago) associated it with Stan Freberg, but Wikipedia tells me I wuz worng.

  14. 14.

    Dangerman

    Seems to me the Republican Powers That Be need to find a way to kneecap the fucker; assuming a free and fair election (yeah, I know, I know), a 2024 ticket of Trump/Trump* is a sure loser.

    *Junior or Ivanka?

  16. 16.

    Suzanne

    If I were to guess, it is to delay, but more importantly to just get a “win” from the Supreme Court, regardless of how little that “win” actually means. Remember, Trump does not care about the law.

    Agreed.
    None of them care about anything apart from winning and power, and that is all.

  17. 17.

    clay

    I saw some lawyer on Twitter speculate that this is the kind of thing that gets filed when your client demands that you DO SOMETHING but you don’t want to embarrass yourself too badly.

    So Trump might not even know what he’s asking the Supreme Court for, and how narrow it is.  All he knows is that he demanded his lawyer to appeal to the SC, and that they did so.

  22. 22.

    patrick II

    Thomas will never recuse. That is not really a sign of anything but Thomas’s vote. When Ginnie comes before them in cuffs he will say he has no competing interest.

  23. 23.

    New Deal democrat

    @Anonymous At Work: If I understand correctly, subject matter jurisdiction (ETA: Cannon’s)is a defense that is never waived, so even one or more of the Justices themselves can raise it. Parenthetically, it sure read like the 11th Circuit panel was strongly hinting at that as well. Anyway, that would be the best result.

    So far, even this Supreme Court has resisted the temptation to rule that Trump is above the law, and I suspect they will continue to do so. The real question, to my mind, is whether they will slow-walk the appeal, which they have certainly done with other Trump cases.

    As a twitter lawyer wrote last night, Trump is following classic game theory in playing not to lose. Always keep the game going, which in the case of Trump means litigate litigate litigate, delay delay delay. And so here we are.

  24. 24.

    Mike in NC

    @Dangerman: Per The Divider, Trump actually was hoping for Princess Ivanka to be his running mate in 2016. A lot of mental illness in that family.

  25. 25.

    Eolirin

    This Supreme Court has ruled against Trump multiple times already, including in cases of supposed executive privilege. I expect they’ll continue to do so. They’re not beholden to him, so as much as Alito and Thomas might want to go to bat for him, the others don’t seem to be interested. He’s served his usefulness, but is now a liability and their loyalties are ultimately with the Federalist Society not with Trump.

  27. 27.

    Omnes Omnibus

    I think the Supreme Court will refuse to hear it.  But then I am a naive, Pollyanna-ish institutionalist so feel free to dismiss me.

  29. 29.

    randy khan

    Thomas is going to do his thing, regardless of the rest of the Court, but it’s worth remembering that the same lineup of Republicans swatted down every effort to get the Big Lie in front of them (as unlike Cannon, they realize that he can’t do anything to them).

    I think the Thomas request for government briefing, with a deadline of a full week, shows that he doesn’t think this is particularly urgent, which is the opposite of what Trump et al. want.

    I’ve seen a couple of theories bumping around about why they filed this appeal, since even granting it wouldn’t prevent the FBI from continuing the investigation.  One is that Trump demanded an appeal, the lawyers scrounged around for something that wouldn’t subject them to sanctions, and this was the best they could do.  Another, which would not be incompatible with the first, is that the lawyers expect to lose and hope that it will convince Trump he is in real trouble.  But, really, nobody knows except them.

  30. 30.

    James E Powell

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I think the supreme court will dither around till after the election. But then I’m convinced five of the justices are unprincipled partisan hacks so feel free to dismiss me.

  31. 31.

    FelonyGovt

    I’ve given up betting what the Supreme [sic] Court will do, except the safest bet is usually on the side of the stupidest, most reactionary position.

    And I’m getting so sick of the news STILL being all TFG all the time. When will we finally stop hearing this jabroni’s name mentioned?

  32. 32.

    Geminid

    @Eolirin: If those Republican judges hobnob much with Republican elites, theyll have gotten word that that trump has, as you say, outlived his usefulness. Now the problem for Republican leaders is to salvage his voters from the train wreck.

    Alito and Thomas are hardheads and may want to back trump, but I think the others will want to keep the Court out of this matter.

  33. 33.

    James E Powell

    @randy khan:

    One is that Trump demanded an appeal, the lawyers scrounged around for something that wouldn’t subject them to sanctions, and this was the best they could do.

    And related to that is the PR angle. “Trump appeals ruling!” with the confidence that the intended audience will never bother to learn the basis for the appeal or the odds of its success.

  35. 35.

    John S.

    Now, why do ya’ll wanna come into my town and start trouble? And scare all of these nice people? You ain’t got nothing better to do than to come into Bill Sharp’s town and show your ass!

    Speaking of showing your ass, has anyone else seen the ads running from the group Citizens for Sanity? It’s basically Willy Horton 3.0 — a bunch of scary footage of black folks running amok and ominous narration about how crime is at an all time high because of the Democrats.

  37. 37.

    grumbles

    As to what Trump is trying to accomplish with this, I have no clue.

    I’m pretty sure he’s still trying to figure out what, exactly, is in those classified documents. They were too disorganized to control access to the documents, so they don’t even know what’s there. Once they know, they can work on the rest of the plan – shouting that this is a J6 committee ruse, blackmail key jurists, etc. I think he’s particularly worried about something specific that he doesn’t know if the government has.

    Everyone keeps saying this, but then not doing it: remember that this isn’t a legal strategy. It is a power strategy with some aspects playing out in court.

  38. 38.

    MattF

    My guess is that Trump’s lawyers are just being Trumpy. People around Trump go on to act like him. It’s a particular circle of Hell, and you go with the flow.

  39. 39.

    frosty

    @FelonyGovt: ​ And I’m getting so sick of the news STILL being all TFG all the time. When will we finally stop hearing this jabroni’s name mentioned?

    I second this wholeheartedly! So I’m off to do all the stuff on my list for today instead of wading through more comments. See you all later tonight!​

  41. 41.

    Baud

    As to what Trump is trying to accomplish with this, I have no clue. If I were to guess, it is to delay, but more importantly to just get a “win” from the Supreme Court, regardless of how little that “win” actually means

    This creates work for DOJ, but there’s no delay in the case unless he gets a win.

  42. 42.

    way2blue

    Yes to both.  Trump wants to delay in hopes the new Congress can shut down these investigations (all of them).  Plus a ‘win’ from the Supreme Court would further burnish his omnipotent standing with his rabble-rousers.

  43. 43.

    bbleh

    IANAL either, but from what I’ve read by real lawyers, this appeal DOESN’T appear to have much substance or chance of success, Thomas’s relaxed schedule for reply suggests he doesn’t think much of it either, and perhaps most importantly, by leaving the documents-with-classification-markings (DWCMs) out of it, it wouldn’t do a whole lot for him legally anyway.

    As to delaying until after the election, I don’t think DOJ would indict before the election in any case, unless they felt they were really up against the wall and about to lose access to the DWCMs entirely.  And as to an en banc ruling, I’ve read several places that the stay is not appealable to the full court under 11th Circuit rules; it HAS to be the Supremes.

    Personally I’d guess this is as much a PR move as anything, and likely at least in part a response to yet another Trump Tantrum demanding his lawyers DO SOMETHING!!

  45. 45.

    scav

    This’ll be a boost to his ego too.  A sort of let me talk to your manager, I don’t interact with lower staff, here boy!, don’t you know who I am, power play.

  47. 47.

    jonas

    Hillary Clinton is kicking herself that she didn’t demand a special master go through all her emails and then sue to let her best friend college roommate who was also the judge appointed by her husband instruct the special master to take 5 years to do the job. That would be totally cool, according to Republicans.

  49. 49.

    Splitting Image

    @FelonyGovt:

    And I’m getting so sick of the news STILL being all TFG all the time. When will we finally stop hearing this jabroni’s name mentioned?

    When the Republicans come up with someone that they think can beat him in a primary.

  50. 50.

    cain

    @rikyrah:

    If Afghanistan was going to cut off voting rights act – they’d cover it and bemoan the fact that Biden left Afghanistan and we could have prevented it.

    I hate these people. Some of it is because I just built a strawman of a likely scenario and hating on it. :-

    ETA – who the hell to I brag about #50? ::sends mail to the front pagers::

  51. 51.

    cain

    @JCJ:

    I swear robot chicken is the only way I even look at Star Wars these days. Your link was exactly what I had in my head when I put that quote up.

    “I want you to wear these clown shoes”

    “that was not a part of the agreement!”

    “I have altered the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further!”

    “Fuck you man, I’m not doing it!”

  53. 53.

    Suzanne

    Dana Loesch on Herschel Walker:

    So, does this change anything? Do you want my opinion? You’re listening. Not a damn thing. How many times have I said four very important words. These four words: winning is a virtue. What I’m about to say is in no means a contradiction or a compromise of a principle.

    And, please keep in mind that I am concerned about one thing, and one thing only at this point. So, I don’t care if Herschel Walker paid to abort endangered baby eagles. I want control of the Senate.

    Loesch added that she just doesn’t care that Walker paid “some skank” to get an abortion: “I don’t know if he did it or not. I don’t even care.”

    —

    They tell us who they are all the time.

  54. 54.

    Baud

    11th circuit grants DOJ motion to expedite.

    Briefing will be completed on November 17. Argument sometime after that.

  62. 62.

    Mai Naem mobile

    I was really impressed by KBJ’s questioning on the Alabama VRA case. She’s really sharp – like RBG smart.  I hope the tide turns fast enough for her to become the Chief Justice. She’s young enough for it to happen if luck goes her way. I just hope she’s not too old at that point for a president to consider her.

  64. 64.

    prostratedragon

    @Burnspbesq: ​

    Having fully digested Trump’s emergency application to #SCOTUS, here’s

    one thin mint. I don’t know sometimes how you lawyers do it.

  66. 66.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Suzanne:

    None of them care about anything apart from winning and power, and that is all.

    As evidenced by their renewed support for Herschel Walker.  All that matters to them is that he’d be a reliable vote in the U.S. Senate, even though he’s an all-around danger to society, and particularly to any woman who gets close to him.

  69. 69.

    jonas

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): The implicit misogyny is fucked up (only “skanks” and “tarts” get knocked up and need an abortion), but so is the completely explicit admission that they give fuck-all about principles and policy — it’s purely about power. If Satan himself were a 51st R vote in the Senate running against liberal Jesus, they’d take it.

  74. 74.

    Suzanne

    @jonas:

    but so is the completely explicit admission that they give fuck-all about principles and policy — it’s purely about power 

    Agree. But it should make our strategy exceedingly clear (to us): stop trying to win them over, stop trying to understand them, stop accusing them of hypocrisy and expecting that to be convincing or persuasive. At best, it’s demoralizing. There is no political answer for their resentment and bigotry, which is why they care about owning the libz so much.

  75. 75.

    Martin

    @rikyrah: In conservative lore, the amendments after the 10th all undermine the founders intent that the US be a white Christian holy land.

    Nobody is confusing Joel Osteen for Jesus, and the holy five aren’t going to let some lesser amendments undermine what they know was truly in Madison’s heart.

  76. 76.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    Erick Erikson said it looked pretty bad for him

    I bet he still votes for Herschel, though.  (Erick is in GA, IIRC.)  And I bet my bottom dollar he doesn’t tell his fellow Repukes that they shouldn’t vote for him.

  77. 77.

    randy khan

    @Suzanne:

    They tell us who they are all the time.

    And they’ve been that way a long time.

    After the 1980 elections, I was talking to a Republican I knew about Al D’Amato getting elected to the Senate.  (Even then, everyone knew that corruption was the least of his problems.)  The Republican said “He’ll vote the right way and that’s all that matters.”

  80. 80.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Suzanne: Who is trying to win them over at this point?  Any bipartisan happy talk is aimed at totebagger types and squishes.  There is a legal term called ceremonial deism.  It refers to the In God We Trust motto and crap like that. It is considered effectively empty of any real religious meaning (FWIW I still say it’s BS).  A lot of what you hear about bipartisanship these days is simply ceremonial bipartisanship.

  82. 82.

    Laertes

    I think emptywheel speculated that the point of this maneuver was for TFG to get copies of the classified documents.

    Maybe the idea is that he’s pissed that the docs were seized and now he doesn’t have a National Enquirer-type “safe” full of juicy stuff to hold over people’s heads, but he can still get that if he’s able to make copies of the documents?

  83. 83.

    SFAW

    @Omnes Omnibus: ​

    @Baud: ​
     
    I’ll bet both you kids a beer that the Supremes hear it. Not because I think there’s justification, but just because his quasi-minions rarely do the rational/legit thing.
    I hope I get to buy youse beers. [NB: Or some other suitable beverage of choice. Chateau Lafite-Rothschild is not “suitable,” by the way.]

  86. 86.

    SFAW

    @Mike in NC: ​
     

    Per The Divider, Trump actually was hoping for Princess Ivanka to be his running mate in 2016.

    Fixed to better depict TFG’s “mind” set.

  87. 87.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Martin:

    Wouldn’t that be difficult if the US becomes an Orban-esque dictatorship? They could use state power to punish anyone who steps out of line, correct? Look at what’s happened in places like Flordia where government actions have had chilling effects

  88. 88.

    Jackie

    Did anyone see Chris Hayes’ interview with the Daily Beast writer who broke the Walker story? Chris was saying the abortion was known about for a long while and he got interrupted with “that knowledge isn’t necessarily about his unidentified source,” and let that hang. Chris did a double-take and asked what that meant. The writer just smiled and reiterated THAT knowledge wasn’t necessarily pertaining to who Chris thought it was, and left it at that.

    I’m wondering if ANOTHER secret abortion is out there…

  89. 89.

    Joey Maloney

    @FelonyGovt:

    When will we finally stop hearing this jabroni’s name mentioned?

    Not even when he’s fucking dead.   Can you imagine what a bad-taste media orgy his funeral will be?

  90. 90.

    Laertes

    @Jackie: Okay, now that you mention it that really makes sense. A guy who’d do this once would do it twice. Mr. Walker would likely have had many opportunities.

  91. 91.

    GibberJack

    As to what Trump is trying to accomplish with this, I have no clue.

    It’s a smoke test. Who can he count on?

    Why he needs a loyalty check now is interesting. Why indeed.

    Oh and to delay, of course. But that’s SOP.

  92. 92.

    zhena gogolia

    @Jackie: I subscribe to the Daily Beast but hardly ever read it. I just logged in, and now I remember why. It’s a festival of popups, so annoying.

  96. 96.

    Death Panel Truck

    @Jackie: Doesn’t matter if there’s two abortions or 20 abortions, Republican voters won’t care. It’s fake news to them anyway. Mitch will tell him how to vote, and that’s all they care about.

  98. 98.

    zhena gogolia

    I just waited half an hour for a callback from Frontier, and because my finger brushed the 2 as I was trying to hit the 1, they said, “Your callback has been canceled!” GODDAMN FUCK IT TO HELL

  100. 100.

    Poe Larity

    Surely Banana Republics must have some admirable qualties. Do their courts have nice uniforms?

  107. 107.

    Scout211

    I am not sure if anyone has posted this yet (prolly Baud, as usual) but the 11th circuit agreed to expedite the DOJ’s appeal of Cannon’s order. Link

    CNN — 
    A federal appeals court has decided to expedite a case over the legality of having a special master oversee the review of a trove of federal records seized from Mar-a-Lago.

    A faster resolution to the Justice Department’s appeal in this case could more quickly bring a resolution to the criminal investigation into the handling of former President Donald Trump’s administration records after his presidency.

    The Justice Department already has access to more than 100 documents marked as classified that the FBI took from Trump’s Florida estate. But thousands of other documents are being reviewed by a special master, and the DOJ is challenging that process. In expediting the Justice Department’s appeal, the 11th US Circuit Court of Appeals set a schedule that could make a decision by the end of next month possible.

  108. 108.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Suzanne:

    But isn’t that looking increasingly likely? The SCOTUS is probably going to completely throw out the VRA this session. That’s the ball game then, isn’t it?

  110. 110.

    Gravenstone

    @Laertes: So he wants the documents back in order to threaten to leak them strategically? How exactly is that a better defense for him?

  112. 112.

    aaron

    former president orange clown is asking the supremes to give him a copy of the classified seized documents, by throwing it into the ‘to be reviewed’ pile that dearie is going through.

  113. 113.

    Gravenstone

    @zhena gogolia: Frontier is Satan on steroids. Fuckers have texted to verify service appointments for me, only to cancel them via another text literally as I was trying to acknowledge the confirmation. Twice they’ve done that shit.

  114. 114.

    p.a.

    What’s all this abt never hearing TFG’s name again?  I hope the Dems “Hoover” him around every Rethug’s neck for as long as it works.  (Admittedly, times & the media have changed…)

  116. 116.

    GibberJack

    @Anonymous At Work:

    Perhaps it makes no sense because your analysis is based on how the law and courts work.

    Trump doesn’t seem to see this as a legal problem. Wouldn’t he do something different if he did? Something that made sense? Sense to a lawyer, that is.

    He’s never treated his election loss litigation as a legal problem. My guess is he isn’t pursuing a legal solution here either. It’s political. He uses law and the courts as a means to an end. They decide nothing. Not if he can get enough people to decide otherwise. That’s what matters.

    His corrupt justices will say whatever he needs them to say, and his followers and the GOP will accept it as legitimate. And it’s only legit when he wins. “The law” doesn’t factor into it.

    We’ve seen this in the Jan6 insurrectionists. They were sure whatever they did was legal, and that’s why they are so gobsmacked when they get arrested and so indignant when sentenced. They’re the real Americans!

    When is something made into law? When is something illegal? When is a lie acceptable? When is fantasy treated as if it were reality?

    If enough people in that society say it is so, then it is so.

    It is really horrible to contemplate that Trump might understand democracy better than anyone else.

    Tfg once said, “When you are a star they let you do it.”

    That is actually more damning about our society than it is about him. No wonder he doesn’t give a fuck about the law.

    Maybe with his filing to the supreme court it isn’t so much an attempt to solve a legal problem as it is trying to create a political opportunity.

  118. 118.

    SFAW

    @Baud: ​
     

    I never bet for the Supreme Court to do the right thing.

    I’m guessing “never” started sometime after C. Thomas was elevated to the Court.

  120. 120.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

     

    @p.a.:

    As you acknowledge, I don’t think that’s going to work anymore, or at least as much. People don’t care about Trump anymore. He’s old news, aside from his diehard supporters. I think Virginia’s 2021 gubernatorial election proved that

  121. 121.

    ian

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

     That’s the ball game then, isn’t it?

    If you believe that, then start training yourself in armed resistance and sabotage.

    Meanwhile if you still think Democracy and persuasion can carry the day try to carry on the conversation without constant refrains of “We’re Fucked”.

    Doom posting makes you feel helpless.  No need to do that to yourself.

  122. 122.

    karen marie

    @John S.:   Unfortunately, much crime data is out of date, collected unevenly or not collected at all.  I have a vague understanding that the FBI has implemented a new crime reporting scheme (NIBRS) that has further bolloxed figuring out what’s going on.

    It’s infuriating to see claims that “crime is out of control,” knowing it’s not true but unable to produce clear, plain facts to shut the idiots up.

  123. 123.

    gvg

    @frosty: Since I want to see Trump go to jail, because he should, I will have to pt up with it. There is no way to put a former President in jail without a lot of news coverage.

    The way to not have him in the news would be if he wasn’t breaking the law all over the place. Bush Jr is mostly out of the news and as far as I can tell is not breaking any laws to get in the news. I personally think he broke laws by authorizing torture but I grant you that is harder to prove. Trump, well there is a lot more and he hasn’t stopped so he will be in the news.

  124. 124.

    Bill Arnold

    @aaron:

    former president orange clown is asking the supremes to give him a copy of the classified seized documents, by throwing it into the ‘to be reviewed’ pile that dearie is going through.

    My suspicion of the day is yes, and that is because there are more (in total number) classified documents gone missing (and recorded to have been given to D.J. Trump) than what the DOJ has found so far, and DJT and team know this, and DJT cannot remember which documents he gave/sold to others and which are still hidden in his other properties.

  125. 125.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    It’s not just based on my personal feelings. There was a front-page article in the NYT yesterday:

    “Nevada Reflects Demcrats’ Hurdles Across US: Republicans Anticipate Gains Over Fears of the Economy”

    LAS VEGAS- The Culinary Workers Union members who are knocking on doors to get out the vote are on the cursed-at front lines of the Democratic Party’s midterm battle.

    Most voters do not open their doors. And when some do answer, the canvassers might wish they hadn’t.

    “You think I am going to vote for those Democrats after all they’ve done to ruin the economy”?, a voters shouted from her entryway in a working class neighborhood in East Las Vegas.

  126. 126.

    bbleh

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): As I understand it, there’s not a whole lot left of it anyway, since Shelby.

    Roberts et al. are determined to close their eyes to the current effects of racism, including the current advantages White people (who yeah yeah didn’t own slaves) enjoy, by simply endlessly repeating “race-blind” as though it were a synonym for “fair.”

  130. 130.

    Paul in KY

    @Gravenstone: Maybe he signed a contract with someone or some entity and if he can somehow get them back & then funnel them to this person/entity, the contract will be fulfilled and he won’t be killed (or Ivanka/Barron won’t be killed, the rest he could give a shit about)?

  134. 134.

    Bill Arnold

    @Paul in KY:

    if he can somehow get them back

    He cannot get them back. He does not have a need to know. If the judicial branch rules otherwise, they may/will be told to get fucked(, traitors).

  137. 137.

    cain

    @ian: ​
    Doom posting makes you feel helpless. No need to do that to yourself.

     
    From the bollywood song Dhoom Machale (raise an uproar)
    Dhoom nashaa hai, dhoom junoon hai
    Dhoom hai hulchul, dhoom sukoon hai
    Aaj tu sab kuchh bula ke jhoom
    Dhoom Macha le..

    Dhoom is intoxication, dhoom is passion,
    dhoom is commotion, dhoom is peace,
    Come, forget everything and dance in it,
    Create an uproar..

    Dhoom means ‘uproar’

    Dhoom is ok, Doom is not :-)

  138. 138.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @cain:

    I’d be more inclined to dismiss what they say too if it didn’t track with what WG and others have recently said

  139. 139.

    Geminid

    @bbleh: The Voting Rights Act still has some teeth even after Shelby. At least, a later VRA lawsuit led to the redrawn Va. 4th Congressional district that the excellent Dan McEachin won in 2016.

    Another VRA lawsuit resulted in a redrawn North Carolina congressional map and two additional Democratic Representatives in 2020. And a Virginia VRA action forced the state to redraw 11 House of Delegate districts east of Richmond in 2018. All three of these three VRA lawsuits involved the dilution of Black voting power through gerrymandering.

  141. 141.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @karen marie: One crime stat that we do know has skyrocketed is Hate Crimes.  I would try to pivot any discussion of crimes to focus on those (along with anti-govt crimes of domestic terrorism) and what each party is doing to address them.

  142. 142.

    bbleh

    @Geminid: That’s the … Section 2 stuff?  The stuff they’re going after this term?

    I fear the only solution is Congress renewing / rewriting the entire Act, including adding a provision (they can do this) that it is not subject to judicial review.  And that’s gonna take a Senate majority that’s willing to create an exception to the filibuster

    These elections matter a lot to a lot of things…

  143. 143.

    Paul in KY

    @Bill Arnold: Certainly agree he has no need to know. I was the COMSEC dude while at my AFB (there’s a thankless job). However, if his lawyers are allowed to review them, you can bet your ass he’ll get a peek too.  Just musing on that hopefully impossible scenario.

  144. 144.

    Geminid

    @bbleh: I couldn’t speak offhand to the particulars, just to the assertion that there wasn’t much left of the VRA after Shelby.

  145. 145.

    Baud

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    Most voters do not open their doors. And when some do answer, the canvassers might wish they hadn’t.

    “You think I am going to vote for those Democrats after all they’ve done to ruin the economy”?, a voters shouted from her entryway in a working class neighborhood in East Las Vegas.

    It’s the NYT.

    You realize that voter is probably the head of the county Republican Party?

  146. 146.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Baud:

    It sounded like the info was coming from the Culinary Union members themselves, the way the article is phrased, not the reporter, so not just a case of talking to Republicans in an Ohio diner

  147. 147.

    Elizabelle

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):  Take Omnes’ advice.

    I saw that article too, but didn’t read much of it.  The NY Times political desk absolutely sucks. Period.  Don’t give them the clicks.

    The NY Times always has Republicans spinning to them, and they will always print that shit.  Always.

    If I was at the doors in Nevada, I would remind voters that things can change real fast.  I give you — Hurricane Ian.  Now grow the fuck up.

  148. 148.

    Eyeroller

    The NYT has its narrative and it’s going to stick to it.  They couldn’t wait to declare Dobbs no longer relevant and get back to inflation, crime, and The Border.

  155. 155.

    livewyre

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): It honestly sounds like you’re actively looking for reasons to surrender before even starting to resist. I have good news for you: you’re not in the Russian armed forces. Fighting back can be a good thing.

    If you need permission to stop flinching, consider this to be some – at least until you learn how to give yourself permission. No one can fully do it for you.

  157. 157.

    Craig

    @Suzanne: She’s so morally broken I suspect she’s a serial killer. I’m sure she’d support a serial killer for political office.

  158. 158.

    J R in WV

    Yesterday I was in line at my pharmacy, and couldn’t help but hear the discussion between the elderly lady in front of me and the technicians about the cost of a drug.  She was told the prescription was $742 and asked “But didn’t the insurance pay anything? ”

    Yes, the insurance paid $2,347, and the $742 was her copay! She was destroyed by the information,  and I didn’t blame her one bit! While she waited for other prescriptions, I quietly said to her “You know,  the only thing we can do is to vote Democratic always, every time,  don’t you?”

    She looked at me,  and said “You sure got that right!”

    Then I sympathized with her about the horrible situation she was in. She wound up paying over $700 in copay for 4 scripts for a relative!

    My new prescription was $4.40 …

  159. 159.

    StringOnAStick

    @Bill Arnold: I agree with your assessment.  He’s been trying every possible tactic to get a inventory of the classified documents that were recovered. He wouldn’t be so hot get that list of exactly what they recovered if he already knew that information, and I’m willing to bet its because he has a LOT of other classified documents stashed somewhere and things are too hot now to go root through wherever those are so he could know what the FBI recovered and plan his defense around that.  I’m going to be snarky and say he thought he was a genius stashing them in Ivanka’s coffin, but now he can’t dig it up without blowing up the whole thing.  There’s no way to spin “coffin full of classified documents” as an oversight or innocent mistake.  Even my RW father now says the Mango Moron “is a creep”.

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