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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Late Night Open Thread: New Frontiers in Ghostwriting

Late Night Open Thread: New Frontiers in Ghostwriting

by Anne Laurie|  October 20, 20221:39 am| 53 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Open Threads, Tech News & Issues

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dream job tbh https://t.co/oe7fdbZQjO

— Matt Levine (@matt_levine) October 12, 2022

the current thing pic.twitter.com/cEjp4FQkTC

— Matt Levine (@matt_levine) October 12, 2022


Honestly this article is so good, its thesis is that the way you win in VC is by becoming an internet micro-celebrity so that founders, who also hang out on Twitter all day, think it's cool to have you on their board. pic.twitter.com/MrG0hw7iNQ

— Matt Levine (@matt_levine) October 12, 2022

in the SPAC boom people were doing SPACs with like Shaquille O'Neal, apparently on the theory "private companies will do deals with us because they will want to have a celebrity on their board." same idea but for good tweeters.

— Matt Levine (@matt_levine) October 12, 2022

though imagine having some VC lead your Series A because of his good tweets, and putting him on your board, and going to the first meeting and being like "so great to have you here, you're so cool, i loved when you tweeted ____," and he's like "no that was my ghostwriter."

— Matt Levine (@matt_levine) October 12, 2022

(Except, of course, none of these Big Swinging Dorks would ever admit they had ghostwriters. Was it Dennis Rodman who threatened to sue his ghostwriter for inaccuracies in his autobiography after the book was published and sportswriters started mocking him?… )

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53Comments

  1. 1.

    Alison Rose

    October 20, 2022 at 1:47 am

    This is the kind of thing that makes me eager for class warfare.

  2. 2.

    Amir Khalid

    October 20, 2022 at 1:49 am

    We need a new word for people who ghostwrite tweets professionally. How about ghost-tweeter?

  3. 3.

    NotMax

    October 20, 2022 at 1:53 am

    @Amir Khalid

    Drecktoplasm.

  4. 4.

    West of the Rockies

    October 20, 2022 at 2:04 am

    @NotMax:

    Well done!!

    A vortex of paranormal asshattery.

  5. 5.

    pat

    October 20, 2022 at 2:39 am

    sorry, but what is a VC?

  6. 6.

    Chetan Murthy

    October 20, 2022 at 2:41 am

    @pat: venture capitalist

  7. 7.

    eclare

    October 20, 2022 at 2:42 am

    @pat:   Venture capitalist, invests in start-ups.

  8. 8.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    October 20, 2022 at 2:45 am

    Baseball teams do this.  They hire noted players to schmooze with advertisers to make them feel good about the money they spent.  When a team needs to raise capital for big dollar improvements they hire greats like Willie Mays or the Phillie Phanatic to play golf with the money people.

    But baseball isn’t that popular with younger people so in the near future they’ll have to go back to the tried and true way of hookers and blow to grease the skids.

  9. 9.

    eclare

    October 20, 2022 at 2:45 am

    I assume most of the rich and famous, including celebrities, athletes, pols, etc. have social media teams.  The WH just got a new Twitter person, and she is doing a really good job.

    I only tend to notice when they do not.

  10. 10.

    oatler

    October 20, 2022 at 2:46 am

    Future MCU franchise

  11. 11.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    October 20, 2022 at 2:53 am

    @pat: Viet Cong

  12. 12.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    October 20, 2022 at 3:03 am

    There are some Masters of the Universe who I suspect do their own tweeting rather than have somebody on staff to handle their social media interactions. The likelihood of that is directly proportional to the likelihood that the MOTU in question puts up bone-headed stupid or enraging things on their social media. (See, for example, Elon Musk and TFG.)

    Conversely, I’m fairly certain that Hillary Clinton has a social media wrangler on her staff.

  13. 13.

    JoyceH

    October 20, 2022 at 3:03 am

    I follow Lake Superior on Twitter. Wonder who ghosts for a lake? (“Without me, they’d be the Good Lakes”)

  14. 14.

    SpaceUnit

    October 20, 2022 at 3:12 am

    I have no idea what this post is about, but I suspect it’s related to the reason I’m not on any form of social media.

  15. 15.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    October 20, 2022 at 3:14 am

    @JoyceH: probably Mother Nature.

    It’s a mixed bag though, she runs hot and cold.

  16. 16.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    October 20, 2022 at 3:23 am

    @SpaceUnit:

     

     I have no idea what this post is about

     

    this would be a good rotating tag

  17. 17.

    Cameron

    October 20, 2022 at 3:29 am

    @Amir Khalid: Urge them on!  Go sweeter, ghost tweeter!

  18. 18.

    Cameron

    October 20, 2022 at 3:30 am

    @pat: Now, venture capitalist.  Then, Viet Cong.  ETA: I see I’m late to the party.  As usual.

  19. 19.

    Cameron

    October 20, 2022 at 3:37 am

    @JoyceH: Yeah, couldn’t be the same one who fronts for Lake Woebegon – the children are only above average there.

  20. 20.

    eclare

    October 20, 2022 at 3:51 am

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:

    Totally agree!

  21. 21.

    opiejeanne

    October 20, 2022 at 4:03 am

    @Chetan Murthy: Thanks.

    In the 90s we lived in the east bay, just south of Oakland, and it was a heady time for people looking for Venture Capitalists. They were thick on the ground and threw money at almost every new idea. I went to a huge party for a group of them at the Design Center in San Francisco once. Just astonishing to witness.

    I worked for a company that was digitizing archives for big corporations and sometimes had to pick up documents from companies that had the most gorgeous young women imaginable at their front desks, and sometimes no hint of what their product or business was about. One place had huge photos on the walls of the sky, sometimes with a large antenna in a lower corner. I handled their documents, scanned them, photographed them, etc. and still had no clue what they did, but it wasn’t antennae.

    The SF Chronicle documented Yahoo’s launch, and PeopleSoft’s very bad behavior. Crappy, tiny, little houses in San Jose were selling for a million dollars which drove up the price of housing throughout the bay area. When we were looking for a house near Hayward, we thought we’d be living in a garage, if we could find one we could afford. Hayward’s school district had just gone bankrupt and our girls were in 6th and 8th grade so we didn’t dare buy a house there.  Ended up in Castro Valley, where Rachel Maddow grew up.

  22. 22.

    eclare

    October 20, 2022 at 4:15 am

    @opiejeanne:   I bet those gorgeous women at the front desks couldn’t explain what their employers did either.

    I remember in the late 90’s, maybe early 2000’s, several friends had jobs where they could not describe what their employer did in plain English.  At least once a friend showed up to work to find the place closed.

    Crazy times.  And I assume it hasn’t slowed down.

    Are you getting any smoke from the fires?

  23. 23.

    opiejeanne

    October 20, 2022 at 4:47 am

    @eclare: Re: the fires? Oh God yes! It’s so smoky that we can’t have the windows open. The Air Quality Index is 258 right now, where my house is. That’s an improvement that means nothing, down from 288 earlier. We’re in the purple part of the chart,  green is anything below 40 (I think). It’s really ugly  when I went out when it was “only” 141. It’s so bad that King County has opened air quality shelters for the homeless, so they don’t die.

  24. 24.

    ColoradoGuy

    October 20, 2022 at 4:53 am

    At least the Gilded Age left behind great architecture, public museums, universities, and foundations. All we’re getting is Bitcoin and tweets. Time to bring back that 91% top tax rate.

  25. 25.

    opiejeanne

    October 20, 2022 at 4:53 am

    @eclare: I still know people who can’t explain what their company does, at least not in terms that I can understand. I wonder what happened to all those eye candy girls at the front desks when their looks started to fade a little.

  26. 26.

    eclare

    October 20, 2022 at 4:53 am

    @opiejeanne:   That sounds awful.

  27. 27.

    eclare

    October 20, 2022 at 4:58 am

    @ColoradoGuy:   So true.  Great libraries too.

  28. 28.

    eclare

    October 20, 2022 at 4:59 am

    @opiejeanne:   Air quality shelters?  Wow.  I can’t imagine.

  29. 29.

    NotMax

    October 20, 2022 at 5:07 am

    Heh. Only now noticed the brand name on the package of grapes* on which I’m snacking as dessert is Air Chief.

    So old I only know that as a brand of vacuum cleaner. Pretty nice vacuums too, in their day.

    *Product Of U.S.A. stamped on the bag, one side of which is printed in English, the other in French (Raisins Noirs De Table Biologique Sans Pé Pepins, Produit Des É.-U.A.).

  30. 30.

    NotMax

    October 20, 2022 at 5:11 am

    @NotMax

    Oopsie.

    Pé Pepins = Pépins

  31. 31.

    opiejeanne

    October 20, 2022 at 5:22 am

    @ColoradoGuy: This age of excess is leaving buildings that are very tall glass boxes.

  32. 32.

    eclare

    October 20, 2022 at 5:26 am

    @opiejeanne:   I worked for a company here that had squat, three story, glass boxes.  Everything inside the office was brown:  carpet, walls, file cabinets, desks, chairs, cubicle walls, etc.  It was a vicious assault on anything nice.

  33. 33.

    prostratedragon

    October 20, 2022 at 5:28 am

    “This age of excess is leaving buildings that are very tall glass boxes” … that soon, no one will know how to maintain [interview with Temple Grandin]

  34. 34.

    eclare

    October 20, 2022 at 5:38 am

    @prostratedragon:   Opened to read later, thanks!

  35. 35.

    NotMax

    October 20, 2022 at 5:39 am

    @opiejeanne

    Would you believe over 1400 feet tall and less than 60 feet wide? Steinway Tower.

  36. 36.

    cliosfanboy

    October 20, 2022 at 5:54 am

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: ​
     indeed. Nominated!!!!

  37. 37.

    lowtechcyclist

    October 20, 2022 at 6:05 am

    @ColoradoGuy: ​
     

    Time to bring back that 91% top tax rate.

    And crack down on some of the more frequently used dodges that rich people use to keep a great deal of their income from being taxed at all.

  38. 38.

    Shalimar

    October 20, 2022 at 6:12 am

    It was Charles Barkley who wanted his own autobiography pulled from the shelves because his ghostwriter got stories wrong.

  39. 39.

    raven

    October 20, 2022 at 7:00 am

    @Shalimar: When my dear friend and boss was dying of cancer she made a trip to her beloved Auburn to see Barkley at a AU Hall of Fame event. Fucker was a no-show and it crushed her.

  40. 40.

    eclare

    October 20, 2022 at 7:05 am

    @raven:   Oh that is awful!  My opinion of him just fell through the floor.

  41. 41.

    Tony G

    October 20, 2022 at 7:20 am

    @Amir Khalid: I’m paid $500 per comment for commenting on Balloon Juice!  I used the money to buy one of those Oculus gadgets, so that I’ll never have to deal with the real world again.

  42. 42.

    Tony G

    October 20, 2022 at 7:29 am

    @ColoradoGuy: That’s right.  In the original Gilded Age useful things (public and private) were at least built.  What does the United States build now?  Third rate movies and vaporware.

  43. 43.

    Tony G

    October 20, 2022 at 7:32 am

    @Tony G: (And weapons, which are sold to the DOD at very high markup, of course.)

  44. 44.

    SFAW

    October 20, 2022 at 7:48 am

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: ​
     

    greats like Willie Mays or the Phillie Phanatic

    If there really were a god, I’d want Him/Her to smite you (“with extreme prejudice,” as they say) for putting those two together.

  45. 45.

    Tony G

    October 20, 2022 at 7:49 am

    @opiejeanne: I traveled in less trendy circles during my I.T. “career”, but the “gorgeous young women” ploy seems to be an old trick.  I would occasionally be sent to “technical conferences” (which were largely useless) featuring kiosks with gorgeous young women handing out software product brochures.  I could have gotten the same information by just contacting the companies by email or reading the websites.  Even thirty years ago about 30% of the technical workers were women, so you’d think that the conference organizers would supplement the lovely women with strapping you men, but old ways die hard.  I guess it was a gig for a young woman pursuing a modeling career.

  46. 46.

    Tony G

    October 20, 2022 at 7:50 am

    @SFAW: The Phillie Phanatic and Gritty are my two favorite sports celebrities!

  47. 47.

    SFAW

    October 20, 2022 at 7:51 am

    @SpaceUnit: ​
     

    I have no idea what this post is about

    “Mr./Ms SpaceUnit, I have a Mr. Cole on Line 2, he said he wants to talk to you about being a ‘Front Pager.’ At least, that’s what it sounded like.”

  48. 48.

    Matt McIrvin

    October 20, 2022 at 8:09 am

    @Tony G: The United States actually still has a lot of manufacturing; the sector just doesn’t employ very many people because it’s highly automated. We have a lot of medicine factories that are these sort of robotized biochemical assembly pipelines.

  49. 49.

    different-church-lady

    October 20, 2022 at 8:57 am

    God all fucking mighty I made such a mistake not choosing sociopath for a career path…

  50. 50.

    Tony G

    October 20, 2022 at 8:59 am

    @Matt McIrvin: Interesting.  I’m behind the times, as usual, so I’ve been envisioning extensive robotic manufacturing as something “in the future”.  The future is now (at least in that field) I guess.  That raises one of the standard questions that used to be raised in science fiction decades ago: What should a society do when millions of workers have been rendered obsolete by technology?  In the U.S. the answer is: “let them sink into poverty and opioid addiction”.  The steep decline in labor unions over the past forty years is a factor.  An anecdote: More than fifty years ago my father’s job (maintaining telephone switching equipment for New York Bell) was rendered obsolete when the equipment was upgraded from analog to digital.  However, because he was a member of a strong union (Communication Workers of America) he was retrained (at company expense) to do a different job rather than being thrown out the door.  As a result, my family didn’t sink into poverty.  The decline of unions means the workers have little protection when the robots take over.

  51. 51.

    Tony G

    October 20, 2022 at 9:01 am

    @different-church-lady: There are plenty of professional sociopaths though.  I understand that it’s not that easy for a newcomer to break into that field.

  52. 52.

    StringOnAStick

    October 20, 2022 at 1:48 pm

    @Tony G: One of the hot degrees to get now is mechanical engineering so you can work with and on those manufacturing robots and automated systems.

  53. 53.

    dnfree

    October 20, 2022 at 4:45 pm

    @NotMax: presumably these grapes are sold in the US and Canada. There are rules on which languages must be on packaging to be sold in a country,

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