Jennifer Rubin writes this week about U.S. District Court Judge David Carter.
If you’re looking for a road map to hold former president Donald Trump accountable for his role in the attempted coup, turn to Judge David Carter, who in a ruling back in March, wrote that Trump and his lawyer John Eastman “more likely than not” committed crimes in their scheme to reject certified electors and replace them with an alternate, phony slate. The potential crimes, he stated, included obstruction of an official proceeding and conspiracy to defraud the United States. As a result, he found that more than 100 emails from Eastman were not shielded by attorney-client privilege and must be released to the House Jan. 6 select committee.
On Wednesday, Carter held that eight more privileged documents fell within the crime-fraud exception to attorney-client privilege because Trump consulted Eastman “for advice that will serve [them] in the commission of a fraud or crime,” and the communications themselves were “sufficiently related to” and made “in furtherance of” the crime. Carter explained, “There are four documents … in which Dr. Eastman and other attorneys suggest that — irrespective of the merits — the primary goal of filing [election-related lawsuits] is to delay or otherwise disrupt the January 6 vote.”
Carter took aim at one lawsuit that Trump and his attorneys filed before a court in Fulton County, Ga., in which they alleged the county’s vote total included 10,315 deceased people, 2,560 felons and 2,423 unregistered voters. But these numbers were false, Carter wrote, and Eastman told Trump as much. Nevertheless, they filed a suit repeating this false allegation in a sworn pleading. Carter explains:
How is it that these people do not know that if the attorney is in on the criming then attorney-client privilege does not apply? All I can say is that someone needs to get these guys a subscription to the Law & Order channel.
Jennifer Rubin goes on:
President Trump, moreover, signed a verification swearing under oath that the incorporated, inaccurate numbers “are true and correct” or “believed to be true and correct” to the best of his knowledge and belief.
The emails show that President Trump knew that the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong but continued to tout those numbers, both in court and to the public. The Court finds that these emails are sufficiently related to and in furtherance of a conspiracy to defraud the United States.
In other words, just as the Jan. 6 committee showed over the course of its hearings, Trump knew he had lost in Georgia and knew the numbers of fraudulent votes he was throwing about were false. Yet he kept repeating these lies, including under oath in federal court.
Rubin has awarded Judge Carter her title of Distinguished Person of the Week for doing his part to uncover the truth.
I might just give Jennifer Rubin an award myself.
Open thread.
Mike in NC
Eastman, Giuliani, and every other sleazy attorney that ever got within ten feet of Fat Bastard must be disbarred and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Another Scott
He’s done it all his life without consequences and we’ve known it for decades. E.g. The Fake Renoir.
“You just tell them and they believe – they just do” is his mantra.
As long as he suffers no consequences, he’ll keep doing it. And others will continue to follow. It’s toxic to our society and system of government.
I hope that Judge Carter is correct.
Keep grinding, mighty mills of justice!!
Cheers,
Scott.
Suzanne
I feel like our side is likely the foolish one w/r/t Trump’s criming. Like, why does he think the rule of law doesn’t apply to him? Why does he think he can just get away with it? Well, because he always has. People respond to incentives and getting away with shit is an incentive to do more shit.
MattF
For the record, a list of TFG’s legal ‘issues’:
1) Missing Government Records
2) New York Attorney General Civil Suit. (Tish James)
3) New York Criminal Probe (fraud)
4) Defamation Case (Jean Carroll)
5) U.S. Capitol Attack
6) Georgia Election Tampering Probe
It’s easy to lose track.
lollipopguild
@Suzanne: Trump also believes that most people are just as bad as he is therefore what he does is no big deal. “Everybody does it”
StringOnAStick
@Suzanne: Your conclusion is why we can’t let Russia take Ukraine either. If we can’t keep the D’s in power with the majority, then Ukraine loses the biggest supplier of aid and the rest of Europe is next on Putin’s do to list.
zhena gogolia
@StringOnAStick: WaPo is piling on today telling me we can’t win.
StringOnAStick
@zhena gogolia: I’m having some despair problems today after reading about how all the crazies have driven the normies out of the election jobs in NV and taken over those jobs. I’m going to get back to writing postcards and hoping for better news.
WaterGirl
@MattF: Do you mean Tish James for #2?
Gin & Tonic
In unrelated news, my daughter apparently decided that off-road marathons (running) are not challenging enough, so today she is doing a 50k. That’s about 31 miles in American.
sukabi
Watergirl, the attorneys know, they just thought they’d be able to pull it off and there would be no consequences….if they succeeded they thought they’d be set for life as members in good standing of the trump crime family.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@sukabi: Because if they succeeded Trump would be in power and law wouldn’t matter, I assume
persistentillusion
I cancelled my subscription earlier in the week. I don’t need more BS in my feed, so ta-ta, WaPo.
thruppence
@Gin & Tonic: Inspiring. I think I’ll go walk around the block.
MattF
@WaterGirl: Yes. Note that I’ve copied this list, but yes.
MattF
@WaterGirl: Edit window not working. Should be Tish James?
Suzanne
@StringOnAStick: Agree.
Trump (and Putin) are both rational actors. We lose that because he does so much stupid shit and because he obviously has NPD and seems like an absolute grab bag of pathology. All of which is true. And he also isn’t all that smart. But he isn’t irrational.
Almost Retired
@StringOnAStick: I am part of a California lawyers group that goes to Nevada every election cycle to do election monitoring. Our training includes how to correctly pronounce Nevada (anyone saying Nuh vod uh is sent home). I spent Election Day 2020 in Pahrump, amidst the trailer parks and brothels. Going again this year, although with more mail in ballots our efforts are not quite as impactful. I have cautious confidence that Nevada (and Arizona) will do the right thing!!
Tdjr
Just for curiosity, is “I never read those emails ” a defense? Unless he responded, how do we know? I’d hate that, BTW.
Gin & Tonic
@thruppence: I walked about three miles in the woods with the dog earlier today. Now I feel like a nap.
Gin & Tonic
@Almost Retired: I spent a night in Pahrump some years ago. It is not a coincidence that it rhymes with “dump.”
zhena gogolia
@persistentillusion: I’ve been ripping the covers off the NYT Sunday magazine almost every week. First they had “LET’S GO BRANDON” on the cover. The next week it was a flattering picture of Ron De Santis. Last week they took a break and had an avant-garde photograph of Cate Blanchett, so I let that stay. Today it’s Marjorie Taylor Greene. I’ve been racking my brains to remember the last time they profiled some up-and-coming Democrat like Hakeem Jeffries or Val Demings or Tim Ryan. Crickets.
WaterGirl
@MattF: I edited your comment for names.
MattF
@WaterGirl: Thanks. I’m somewhat distracted right now— mixing up the witch’s brew for a colonoscopy tomorrow.
WaterGirl
FYI, apropos of nothing, I have updated the charities we give to through the Balloon Juice for Ukraine thermometer.
I removed the 4 other original charities but left World Central Kitchen:
VoteVets – that was an initial way for Vindman to channel money.
AmeriCares has a great charity rating and I’m sure they do good work, but I they serve more than Ukraine. It’s Ukraine that’s in the middle of a war, so I don’t want to dilute our efforts.
Ditto for the International Rescue Committee – they are not just helping Ukraine.
Ditto for International Animal Welfare – they are now helping animals impacted by Ian.
And I added Razom for Ukraine.
I’d really wanted to add United24 – but it is not an option in ActBlue.
If anyone knows of an organization helping animals in Ukraine, please let me know.
If anyone has any objections to the changes, speak now…
Almost Retired
@Gin & Tonic: When you say “night,” did you pay for your room by the hour?
ruff the dog
@Gin & Tonic: with 65+ ultras on my bones, from sea level to 12,000′ and 31 to 120 miles, I can say it is transcendent. Perhaps she’ll say one and done, but the stars at 3 am in the high Rockies, with most of a marathon left until you can stop, get deep in your being. Hitting the wall at 17 miles, then 28, 42, and every mile after 50 teaches you something about something, I have no idea what that something is except there is a lot of wall out there to hit. Some families and friends wait to hear all about it afterward, others go hang out in the aid stations and groove on the vibe of volunteers and fans and athletes and enjoy the good weather and bad. Some runners bring their families and shouldn’t have because because their s.o. tells them how bad they look and how cold and wet it is (side note: if you go to spectate, spend time helping runners-who-are-not-your-daughter at an aid station and let your daughter do her thing; she has trained and talked with a lot of experienced ultradistance runners and has it all under control). Still, most of the races are still a lot less high strung than your standard road race and you get to hang out with runners from all over the country at a conversational pace, and renew those acquaintances again and again.
ruff the dog
@Gin & Tonic: Oh, and good thoughts to her for taking it on!
Alison Rose
@Gin & Tonic: Jiminy crickets. Props to her. Even at my healthiest, a million years ago, I couldn’t fathom being able to do such a thing. I did the AIDS Walk one year in San Francisco, which I believe was about 6 miles. That was just walking at a leisurely pace with breaks along the way, and by the end, I was like I AM BROKEN ALL OVER AND CAN NO LONGER FUNCTION.
Juju
@Gin & Tonic: it’s a good thing you only feel like a nap, and don’t look like a nap as well.
WaterGirl
@Tdjr: If you sign something that says anything like “I have read this document and i attest that this is true” i think you’re fucked whether you read it or not.
oatler
@Almost Retired:
And how is ‘Pahrump’ pronounced?
Dorothy A. Winsor
@MattF: Ick. I told myself it was one day out of my life. How bad could it be?
Almost Retired
@oatler: It is pronounced SHIT’ hole.
Lapassionara
@StringOnAStick: This just sucks, but Dems should be organizing an effort to watch every step of the process. Otherwise we become ruled by thugs
Absentee ballot processing and counting
Post-election processes
Tony G
@Gin & Tonic: Whoa. My sons are in pretty good physical shape, but they’re not doing that! Good luck to your daughter.
Formerly disgruntled in Oregon
Congrats, Ms. Rubin on winning MVNT!
Huzzah for our Most Valuable Never-Trumper!
Tony G
@WaterGirl: Yeah, really. Right now I’m going through mountains of legal paperwork as executor of a relative’s (uncle’s) estate, and I’m well aware that if I were to lie (or even be careless) I’d be legally liable. The fact that this human pile of garbage can get way with this arrogant nonsense is infuriating.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Gin & Tonic:
I’ve been running ultras for almost 30 years now, specialty is 50K and 6-hour events (where you see how much distance you can cram into 6 hours).
Is her race a trail race or road race? I strictly do roads. Last time I did a 53K trail race, I fell down so much, my face looked like a zombie at the end.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@ruff the dog:
The ultra community is what makes the events so much fun.
I always say that I’m everybody else’s biggest fan at these. It’s not so much about competing with others but with yourself.
stinger
@MattF: Thank you.
Kent
Gotta get Halloween candy soon. It’s that time of year. We live in a neighborhood that gets TONS of little trick-or-treaters. But if it is cold and rainy the numbers can drop off so buying candy is a crap shoot. I never know how much to get. If I don’t get enough Costco bags we usually run out and I have to leave a note out saying we are out of candy which sucks.
I’m never sure which strategy to use when buying surplus Halloween candy.
Decisions….decisions.
James E Powell
@Suzanne:
Our side’s problem is that his voters don’t care what he does & the political media promote it as great content.
hells littlest angel
Most Improved Attitude.
cain
@persistentillusion:
Oh man, they had some headlines that absolutely pisses me off – it was another Dems in Disarray article and when you read it is all some bullshit speculation based on some poor polling.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Kent: There’s a business opportunity in saving people from leftover Halloween candy: CandyBGone! And then you have candy
Kent
Yeah, but I think the only non-NATO country left in Europe that might be on the plate is Moldova. Unless you count Austria, Ireland, and Switzerland which share no borders with Russia. I guess there is also Serbia but Russia would have to invade Romania first to get there.
If they can’t even take the whole Donbass which they border, I don’t think they will be chewing off chunks of NATO.
Ukraine is worth defending on its own merits, not because of some domino theory of how the rest of Central Europe will fall to the Russian hordes.
Sure Lurkalot
@persistentillusion: I renewed WaPo in December last year… I planned to cancel but they reduced the subscription to $10 so I kept on. But no more. Today I got to read about the successes, missteps and failures of Biden’s presidency. Here’s a taste:
Mention good thing, but bad thing, good thing but bad thing, with the bad things not even remotely within a human being’s control. They are just as awful as the FTFNYT which I’ve already quit. If I want to read a recommended article on one of these rags, I can turn off JavaScript or gain access through my public library on ProQuest. Even $10 is too much.
mrmoshpotato
Wait. It’s not attorney-crimes-client privilege? Well, you learn something new everyday!
Wait. There’s only one?
mrmoshpotato
Sounds like they should LOCK HIM UP – until trial, because he’s definitely a flight risk.
ruff the dog
@Kent: Donate it to an aid station at an ultramarathon. There is very little that an ultramarathoner will not consider to be food and put in their mouth.
Dangerman
Sure, they watch TV; indeed, one or more of them have been known to watch “The Apprentice” in continuous loops. Perhaps coincidentally, there is some evidence that watching “The Apprentice” in loops is bad for mental health in some people. These people are known as “loopy”.
WaterGirl
@Tony G: Human pile of garbage is right.
WaterGirl
@Kent: I go with door #2 because otherwise I hate myself.
WaterGirl
@hells littlest angel: Mine or hers? :-)
Just kidding, I know you mean hers.
mrmoshpotato
@MattF:
Did you accidentally write Rick James?
Leto
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: running, not to mention ultra’s, are what I miss most 4 years on from my motorcycle accident. All of the ultra’s I did were in the UK, which were a much more spartan affair v here in the States. The last ultra I ran, along the Thames, was spectacular. Combination of trail and paved surfaces, along with being almost level for the entire course, made for very easy running.
This is why I did it; at a certain point it stops being physical and it’s a mental game. Even though I’ve explained this to people, they still think I’m crazy, which there might be a slight bit of truth to it ;)
MattF
@mrmoshpotato: No, copied a tweet— but forgot that tweets are always uncorrected.
japa21
@Leto: Hard to believe it’s been 4 years.
Gin & Tonic
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: It’s 100% off-road. She likes that, and does most of her training on trails. A few years back she did an off-road marathon in Moab; I guess that wasn’t hard enough.
MattF
OT. But, on the other hand, you get threads like this one.
Dangerman
This conversation about the mental side of Ultras … on my first cup of caffeine today, I wonder if there is a similarity to being in The Zone on a basketball court. I have had the extreme pleasure of being in that Zone a few times and it’s indescribable where one is at mentally when it happens. I can’t really even think how to describe it here. It’s basically hypnotic and it’s amazing.
Formerly disgruntled in Oregon
@Sure Lurkalot: At least they also publish Jennifer Rubin.
MattF
@Formerly disgruntled in Oregon: Yeah, but she was hired as a right-wing ‘balance’ on the opinion page.
raven
@Dangerman: You’re talking about “Flow” as described by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi as opposed to being in a zone D.
Rand Careaga
@Gin & Tonic: Years ago I too overnighted in Pahrump. At a local restaurant (there couldn’t have been many in that flyspeck of a town) I ordered a steak for dinner—“on the rare side of medium-rare,” I said. It was brought to me with the fat still congealed.
@Almost Retired:
I pronounce it “Neh-vah-dah.” Have I been doing it wrong all this time?
Formerly disgruntled in Oregon
@MattF: That no longer seems to be her role in their lineup.
WaPo publishes plenty of BS shit, but there’s some actual journalism there from time to time.
Matt McIrvin
@Kent: Putin used to have a theory that NATO was a paper tiger and he could break it. If he’d been able to take Ukraine rapidly as he and I think even most Western analysts thought he could, I think he was planning to follow up by attacking one of the weaker NATO members (say, Estonia) under the theory that we didn’t really want World War III and could be convinced he was a mad Bond villain, so just saying “make a move and I launch all the missiles” would be enough to dissuade them. And that would be that–if NATO could take an attack on a member by Russia without serious retaliation, NATO would be dead and Putin would forever be the man who killed it.
But he got hung up at step zero.
Of course, if we get Trump or someone like him back as President, all bets are off. But hatred of NATO was, weirdly, one of Trump’s few actual core beliefs, even though it was kind of off the beam from standard Republican conservatism. He’s made it part of the party now, though.
Leto
@japa21: It was 4 years to the day last Monday. It has that simultaneous feeling of being just last month, as well as a lifetime ago. What I haven’t reported here is that three weeks ago, I was in an almost exact replica of that accident. I was in my car coming back from school, at approx 7:45pm, about to go through an intersection when the car in the opposite lane turned in front of me. I had about 1.5 sec of reaction time. Immediate brake, knew no one was around me, tried to steer right and away, but he still impacted my front left at my headlight.
To say that it was a little… triggering… is a bit of an understatement. I’m ok, was seen by a doc, nothing broken, and I should be getting my car back this week. But my apprehension coming to any intersection is a constant 15 on a 1-10 scale.
japa21
@Leto:
That sense of deja vu is scary.
middlelee
@Almost Retired: No, that’s Wells, NV.
Dangerman
@raven: Hmmm, never heard the term “Flow”. I gotta Google.
ETA: Damn, thank goodness that last name won’t be on any spelling test.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Leto: Holy cow. That’s scary
randy khan
Trump will use the Steve Martin defense if he’s called on signing a false verification – “I forgot” (that the stated facts were a lie, that anyone ever told him anything about them, or that lying under oath was against the law).
japa21
Totally OT, but it is now official, the Packers totally suck.
WaterGirl
@Leto: Yikes. Not what you needed. But I’m glad you are safe. I’m sure it didn’t trigger Avalune. //
lowtechcyclist
@oatler:
I think there’ve been times when I cleared my throat that I inadvertently pronounced it correctly.
Burnspbesq
Eastman will appeal (again). The most likely outcome is that the Ninth Circuit will tell him to GTFO (again).
Shana
@Mike in NC: I see that Gulliani will be representing himself at his disbarment hearing.
mrmoshpotato
@japa21: Worse than the Bears? (Last week’s game suuuuuuuucked)
Dangerman
@japa21: Holy Hell. I wonder if I could have gotten a prop bet in Vegas on GB losing to WA and Tampa Bay getting smoked (!!!) by Carolina after they traded their best player.
ETA: Carolina 13.5 Dog. Damn.
sab
@Matt McIrvin: There was nothing of GOP comservatism about Trump. He simply did not care about policy issues. So he just did what would please whoever je was sucking up to that week.
Bit we have since learned that the GOP didn’t care about policy issues either. I used to think they deeply misguided but sincere. Now I don’t know what to think besides revulsion.
Leto
@WaterGirl: yeah, that call to her (after 911) was interesting. Heavy prefacing of, “I’m fine, I’m fine” when I called, but she was a bit freaked out too. It happened less than 3 mins from the house, so she was at the site almost immediately. I told her that at as an indication that I was ok was I was calling her this time, rather than a random stranger. She agreed, but I think she’s going to act on the suggestion of a good friend of ours: wrap me in multiple layers of bubble wrap before I leave the house. It’s the only way to be sure.
Shana
@Kent: may I suggest taking any leftover candy to your polling place for Election Day and offering it to the Dem volunteers outside to give to voters? I do it every year
sab
@Rand Careaga: Yes indeed. The second syllable rhymes with “bad.” It is not pronounced like it is Spanish.
And the only TV networks that consistently get it right are Telemundo and Univision.
Mispronouncing it really grates on the ears of Nevadans.
Didn’t Pahrump’s whole county want to secede from the state at one point? I think it was in the nineties.
MattF
OT. Boris Johnson has given up his attempt to be Conservative party leader. I guess it’s possible he wants the Tory MPs to want it more ardently, but for now he’s not running.
WaterGirl
@Leto: No kidding!
Suzanne
@MattF: Boris, they can’t miss you if you won’t stay away.
sab
@Leto: I am seeing a lot of this lately. What the phuck was that other driver thinking? All rules are gone so the laws of physics don’t even apply anymore?
trollhattan
BoJo is no-go. ‘K, that’s dodged.
raven
@Dangerman:
Michael Jordan | Flow State – Unlocking Peak Performance!
Pick up “Spiritual Hoops” by Phil Jackson.
Baud
@MattF: Too bad. I was looking forward to the parties.
Wyatt Salamanca
@MattF:
Thanks for the handy scorecard.
Don’t overlook the fact that beyond the items on your list, Trump is an emotional basket case and if we lived in a rational society he’d be residing in a prison cell or the lockdown unit of a psych ward.
mrmoshpotato
@Matt McIrvin:
It’s because Dump has sucked Kremlin cock since at least 1987. Not that the rest of the GrOPers aren’t (traitorous) piles of shit too.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@Baud: Tony Jay will be so disappointed.
Matt McIrvin
@sab: That was why you got pundits calling him a “moderate”. He didn’t actually give a shit about policy, mostly, except for a few weird hobbyhorses like this. But he was an extremist, a pro-himself extremist. He’d ride any horrible movement that kissed his ass.
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
I don’t think anything is “part of the party” anymore, except for what can win the day. If DeSantis were the nominee and decided to be pro-NATO, I don’t think he’d get much pushback, except for maybe people like Rand Paul.
sab
@Matt McIrvin: Yes. Pundits trying to place him on an ideological spectrum where he doesn’t even belong at all. Not where they place him, but that he has no ideology at all. He belongs on a psychological spectrum where he is way out there. But they can’t say that, or they won’t.
Jay
Finished up the Gig job, yesterday, & days of 14 hour days, brutal on my body. If we get the final payment we will have made bank for the month. Yesterday evening, took a hot bath with Epson salts, thought my calfs were badly swollen, but they wern’t. Turns out that 7 days of 14 hours with every day being “leg day” builds muscles fast.
Tomorrow, I start my new job as a mobile tool repair tech. Up to 3 months training at the repair facility in Port Kells, a hour and a bit commute, then, I get my own van.
Two more jobs to hear back from, so ideally I will be in the position of quitting a job for another, shortly after I start.
WaterGirl
@Jay: Good to hear that you have options!
Baud
@Jay:
@WaterGirl:
Thanks, Biden, eh!
Geminid
@Matt McIrvin: The Republicans always had a strong strain of Isolationism. Eisenhower overcame it, and he and their next five Presidents were Internationalists. The younger Bush’s Iraq fiasco did a lot to dicredit Republican Internationalism, though. It also discredited the establishment generally, and I think it indirectly contributed to the rise of the radicals.
I always thought Trump was responsible for the so-called Abraham accords by which the Morocco, Bahrain and the UAE established ties with Israel. But not in the way the trump administration portrays it. Israel and the Gulf Arabs always were confident that a US President would have their backs; this was the case more or less since the 1940s. But they knew Trump had no one’s back but his own, and decided they’d better make new security arrangements. The Saudis gave the green light to Bahrain and the UAE and themselves have forged security ties with Israel, although they haven’t yet established formal diplomatic relations.
Leto
@sab: I honestly don’t know, but it’s changed how I come through that area. I take a slightly longer way just to avoid coming in that direction. It adds a few minutes, but it’s significantly reduced my blood pressure.
Suzanne
So speaking of GOP shenanigans (I CALL THEM! SHENANIGANS HAVE BEEN CALLED!)….. in my new and very Democratic district, the GOP decided that the only chance they have to win is to run a guy with the literal same name as the retiring Dem Congresscritter and hope no one notices.
I am not making this up.
Dan B
@Jay: Congrats on the job possibilities!
brendancalling
@cain: today in the WP David van Drehle had a columns essentially saying school integration is a failure and segregated schools should come back.
Fuck that guy. And fuck the rest of the WaPo right wing hacks too.
raven
@Leto: I’m glad you’r ok.
catclub
If he did not respond there would not be a lot of emails. the fact that there are many emails suggests a continuous conversation.
Leto
@Suzanne: so the literal plot from the Eddie Murphy film, The Distinguished Gentlemen. When life imitates art…
@raven: thanks bub; per chance are you going to be in the Charleston area around Christmas/New Years?
sab
@Leto: I almost got in a wreck with some idiot, cutting through a parking lot to avoid a light, gunning it. I had the right of way at 10 mph and couldn’t stop so I blasted my horn. She floored it and squeaked past me. Then after the light she turned right and into a pizza parlor parking lot. The whole thing was dangerous as hell and made no sense. She did a bunch of illegal left turns then a right just to avoid one traffic light.
catclub
@brendancalling:
Frankly, segregated schools could work, and they could prove it by providing twice the total resources provided to the best suburban white school to segregated minority schools.
Separate but equal never was.
Total resources includes quality of school facilities, quality of parental contributions and salaries of staff.
zhena gogolia
@Suzanne: I know you’re not making this up, because this is a technique the Russians have been using for years. Sometimes they even find a candidate who LOOKS like the other one.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@sab: people do crazy things behind the wheel. I grew up and learned to drive in NYC; it has taken me years to lose the bad habits. I still criticize other drivers for bad behavior when I see it (that is, aloud, alone in my car) but I am slowly learning to let go of the emotional attachment.
sab
@brendancalling: I am assuming he does not have kids in integrated schools.
Baud
@Suzanne:
I think Betty says they do that in FL all the time.
StringOnAStick
@Almost Retired: Man, bless you for going to NV to do that. I have a lifetime of experience there thanks to my dad’s career in mining and my prior career as a geologist, plus a sister who lives there and works for the state. It’s a rough place in all the rural, mining and ranching dependent areas. My sister’s pension has been whittled away every time the legislature meets; the best she can achieve now is 66% of what she was originally promised, even after she does another 5 years and completes 30 years of service. That state never wants to broaden their economic base out of mining and gaming, so their economy is never great unless it’s boomtimes in the mining areas.
Jay
@Baud:
Canuckistan, so basically a post Covid worker shortage and an epidemic of retirements.
The job job, they had hired a dude in the spring who turned out to be dead weight. #1 opportunity, (possibly) is a 3 man shop, (monopoly) with 6 remote sales staff, and everybody in the shop other than the Ops Manager retired in May. Opportunity #2 is a tech company that needs more MSC “experts” to deal with the Covid Supply Chain issues.
But I am glad that you guys have President Joe Biden and the global effects that better than competent progressive leadership in the USA brings.
Baud
@catclub:
That defeats the purpose.
Baud
@Jay:
I thought the “eh” would signal that I knew it was Canada.
catclub
@Baud: and the purpose is impoverishing minority schools.
sab
@Mr. Bemused Senior: Hard to let go when they almost kill you. I laugh at basic rudeness…we all have bad days…but barrelling through expecting against all possibility that the other guy can stop because you are an idiot. I have a hard time with that.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@sab: I repeat to myself, “my job is to avoid accidents.” That helps me. But yeah, hard to remember that when your heart is pounding.
WaterGirl
@Suzanne: I hope the Dems are running ads telling people about that???!!
catclub
@sab:
my crazy driver experience I just watched.
Guy in pickup in left lane of interstate cannot wait for slow driver in front of him (only doing 71 in a 70 zone) so he shifts over in front of me ( on right), passes car in front of me in the breakdown lane, then pulls in front of the ‘slow’ driver in the left lane… and slows down.
Suzanne
@zhena gogolia: Click on that link, there’s pictures of both of them and they both look like Generic Puffy White Man of a Certain Age. Like I would easily confuse them.
Jay
@sab:
you know how if the pizza isn’t delivered in 20 minutes it’s free?
the collary is that if the “pick up” pizza isn’t picked up in 20 minutes after it’s ready, it’s either tossed, given to the staff or costs double.
//
sab
@catclub: Kids from different races need to be together, period. I grew up in a lily white family since the 1600s in America. My family is now completely multiracial. It’s a whole different world of experience and this country needs this. Other people are people too.
WaterGirl
@catclub: That’s someone with anger issues.
catclub
@sab: my point is that if you had minority schools with more resources than any white school, they would get all kinds of students.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@WaterGirl: yes, stay away from that guy.
Jackie
Just got back from dropping my ballot in the drop box at City Hall. Amazingly, in this deep red county on a Sunday, I wasn’t the only voter. One car ahead and two cars behind me! I’ve used this drop box for several years and always was a solo event.
Fingers crossed it’s a positive sign for Democrats!
topclimber
@Kent: I read your first sentence as “gotta get INTO the Halloween candy soon.”
I bought the stash 3 weeks ago and have amazed myself with my self-discipline. NOTHING has been touched (or eaten, for those who look for tricks when it comes to treats). Of course, we ignore the stepped up consumption of cookies and chocolate almonds.
Suzanne
@WaterGirl: They may be, but I try really hard not to watch TV. When I travel, I will sometimes turn on local TV in the hotel room while I get ready, to get a sense of local flava. I was in Philly last week and I swear to God, 60% of the ads were about the election and even I was fucking annoyed.
sab
@Jay: No “//” to me when she almost wrecked our only family car, and I think that is completely what happened and the owner of that pizza shop (which we patronize) is a complete bitch.
We are currently pondering how to confront her, realizing that we will never be able to buy her pizzas again. Crappy pizzas but convenient
Also too she doesn’t have that free in 20 minute rule.
Gin & Tonic
@raven: Ever read McPhee’s A Sense of Where You Are?
Baud
@sab:
I knew Juicers skewed older, but that’s incredible.
Suzanne
@Leto: Read that link, there’s literally a comment about The Distinguished Gentleman in there.
Summer Lee may be a bit of a loose cannon, but she will be better than this piece of shit Mike Doyle NO NOT THAT MIKE DOYLE THE OTHER ONE.
sab
@Baud: Keep on being you.
ETA I meant that we
awere as white a family as any Republican could dream of, and we are a much better bunch of people with the different members.ETA2 And my stepkids school was better. Fewer National Merit scholars (did you know that isn’t automatic from test scores? The schools have to pay for savvy guidance counsellors to jump through the right hoops?) but better education all around.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@Geminid:
The only thing the base believes in is white supremacy and owning the libs. That’s it. When Dubya campaigned against “nation building” in Europe (peace keepers in Kosovo), the cult followed. When Dubya told them “9/11 changed everything” they immediately flip flopped and became fervent advocates of nation building (in the Middle East, no less). They were all for killing brown heathens until Dump told them he was against it (because Putin didn’t like it) and they immediately wiped 15 looong years of their history and became “always been at war with eastasia.”
It doesn’t matter what the issue is – they scream bloody murder about deficits when a Dem is in office, they love deficits when their side is in office. The only non negotiable issues are hating “the others” and Cleek’s Law.
Geminid
@Jackie: I think this election cycle will bring out some new and some more infrequent Democratic voters. I’m hoping the Republican vote maxed out in 2020. I guess we’ll know in 16 days or so.
zhena gogolia
@Suzanne: Yeah, I saw that. Same technique.
Martin
It doesn’t even require that the attorney is in on the criming. You can’t use information that your attorney provided in good faith as a tool to do the criming – and that’s closer to what happened here. I still think Easton crimed, but that’s not Carters assertion – just that Trump used information provided by Easton (which actually defended that the election count wasn’t wrong) to do crimes. Easton’s bad act was to acknowledge that the election counts were correct, but they could use this one weird elector trick to steal the election despite that.
lgerard
Opposition to NATO may not be a part of Main Street Republicanism, but it is certainly part of far right cannon as evidenced by the John Birch Society and Joe McCarthy.
Jay
@sab:
That sucks, I had figured it was a stranger, a “customer”, not the owner. Bites to find out that the owner of a local shop you frequent is a deadly ahole.
I live in YVR where 1/4 of the drivers can’t drive and 1/4 of the drivers are aholes. The general rules of thumb here are be hyper aware of traffic and you will get there when you get there.
In 2 1/2 years of working at the Burnaby Orange, we had one driver drive through the Garden center, one drive into the returns area, one hit the support posts for the covered loading area, one destroy 2 stacked skids of cinder blocks, 4 ornamental trees in landscape islands in the parking lot were mown down, and 8 Associates wearing HiVis were hit, one while loading timber in the Loading area onto a customers 5 ton flat deck.
Geminid
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: I thought the Iraq war shifted the balance of power within the party. What I call the Chamber of Commerce wing lost ground, and the bible thumpers and secular radicals gained relative strength.
An example in my state was when Dave Brat beat Eric Cantor in the 2014 7th CD primary. Two relatively young Chamber of Commerce types saw the writing on the wall, and retired from their 2nd and 5th CD seats in 2016.
Leto
@sab: I don’t know why the people in my area do it so much, but that’s very much a thing here. A few months back had a woman in this SUV do that to Avalune and me. Cutting across the parking lot, I was also doing about 10mph, and had to slam on brakes to avoid her. She also slammed on brakes, and my Italian hand gestures came out. She was looking at me like I was crazy and in the wrong, and I’m wondering why people are so g-d dumb.
sab
@catclub: If you have all sorts of kids going to schools they would get the resources.
My public high school in my day was considered elite and very white. It got loads of resources. A generation later, due to white flight, it is minority majority but still considered elite. Different kids but with the same potential. But this generation they aren’t being cut off from resources because they “don’t have potential” like they were in my day.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
Wow – first time Boris has ever pulled out
scav
@MattF: Well, Boris clearly has at least 40-odd invisible friends. They too probably somehow mysteriously wouldn’t appear on inaugural photographs.
Leto
@Suzanne: can we smack the political professor who’s excited by the “real life” DG prospect? Ugh.
raven
@Leto: I don’t think so, probably Appomattox or Blacksburg.
sab
@Jay: It wasn’t the owner but it probably was her new driver very pressuerd to perform. Owner has a vanity plate. I cannot think of why a customer was so nuts to get a pizza on time, so we assume a new driver.
kalakal
@Baud: There’s been a few. They’re known as “Ghost” candidates. Here’s one
apnews.com/article/miami-senate-elections-florida-elections-e8b70ce3270bd170e37a71ca80b5aaae
mrmoshpotato
Phils win! 4-3 in 5 games!
jeffreyw
@Jay: Nice work? What will you be working on, exactly?
Jay
@sab:
Here a new driver has to have a “supplied” magnetic orange and black “L” sticker mounted on the trunk and can’t drive at night or ever with out a fully liscenced driver in the passenger seat. 6 months after they pass their drivers test, the have to display a green sticker with a white “N” on the trunk and can’t drive with out a lisenced driver in the passenger seat from dawn to dusk.
While it is a great alert signal to other drivers, there is no warning system for fully lisenced Morons.
Pushing time constraints onto the driver, is gonna cost the Pizza place more than a late delivery or return will, even if the driver bears all the liability. Learned that lesson early when I was a Distribution Manager for several Commercial bakeries back in the day.
Jackie
@mrmoshpotato: Well then GOOOO Phillies!!!
I’m NOT rooting for the Astros! Or the Yanks if they somehow pull a rabbit out of a hat!
mrmoshpotato
@Jackie: I’ll be good with the Astros sweeping the Yankees, then losing the World Series. Go Phillies!
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@mrmoshpotato:
Hard to believe they didn’t bring in Hader to face the heart of the lineup and the left handed Harper
Jay
@jeffreyw:
Sewer snakes, inspection cameras, safety gear, pipe threaders, equiptment lifts and hoists, generators, etc, a mix of rented tools and Customer owned tools, all Commercial, not retail, so a lot fewer repairs of equiptment destroyed by morons and more minor repair and maintenence.
Plus, once I pass probation, a raise, a high roof work van, with tools and parts, that I get to take home every day, a workday that starts when I start the van, ends when I park it, use of the van in off hours, a gas card, and I get to call “overtime” to stay on site and finish a repair, to provide proper Customer service, profit sharing every quarter, and a commission on tool sales.
Eyeroller
@Rand Careaga:
@Rand Careaga:
Funny how the (more) correct Spanish pronunciation of a Spanish word is “wrong.” I wonder when and how this happened. I have a vague sense that “Nevahda” was acceptable within my lifespan, but I may be wrong about that since I’ve never lived there.
Mike S (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!)
@MattF: Plus a little old fashioned grift from 2008
7 Trump was DEPOSED in fraud class action he tried to avoid by hiding during Hurricane Ian
Citizen Alan
@brendancalling: Totally not surprised. From the day Justice Serena Joy was confirmed, I knew that Brown v Board of Education was on the chopping block. First women. Then the gays. And then, separate but (nor really) equal.
Bill Arnold
@mrmoshpotato:
He controls corporations that own at least two long range jets.
The re-furb of the Trump Force One 757 has been completed. It has recently been flown to West Palm :
Donald Trump’s Boeing 757 rehabbed and back in West Palm Beach (Kate Bennett, CNN, October 22, 2022)
Matt McIrvin
@Geminid:
Nowadays you see much of the right and a chunk of the left speaking as if neoconservatism had been a Democratic Party initiative. They didn’t do enough to oppose it, but it seems like something went down the memory hole.
Citizen Alan
@Eyeroller: That’s nothing. You should see what savagery folks in Mississippi and Louisiana due to place names originally taken from French. I am writing this from Lafayette County. Pronounced “La-FAY-ette.”
jeffreyw
@Jay:
Nice job!
glc
@MattF: Noted, and forwarded as appropriate.
catclub
@Citizen Alan: Carriere is the next town over, pronounced K-rear
The Lodger
@Suzanne: The PA GOP tried that about 40 years ago with a candidate named Bob Casey, who was neither the former governor (I think) or his son (now the US senator). Why invent a new form of sabotage when an old one is still available?
Paul in KY
@Gin & Tonic: One thing about running those distances is that you are off any particular diet. You can now eat anything. Sticks of butter, huge candy bars, 2 pounds of shrimp….
Paul in KY
@sab: Agree. Some of the crappy driving could seriously injure me. Get mad at them for that.
Paul in KY
@Citizen Alan: Here in the Central KY, have the town with the chic name ‘Versailles’. Only it is pronounced Ver-sales.