President Biden and that other guy😘, stump for Fetterman and Shapiro
HOLY SHIT pic.twitter.com/yd1e2bf0vt
— BrooklynDad_Defiant!☮️ (@mmpadellan) November 5, 2022
WATCH: "I lived in Pennsylvania longer than Oz has lived in Pennsylvania. And I moved away when I was 10 years old." pic.twitter.com/nDgAKANSVR
— CAP Action (@CAPAction) November 5, 2022
WATCH: MAGA Republicans have a plan to put Medicare, Social Security, and veterans' benefits on the chopping chopping block. pic.twitter.com/HGBZceLzZc
— CAP Action (@CAPAction) November 5, 2022
"We all must speak with one voice regardless of our party. There's no place in America for political violence." –@POTUS pic.twitter.com/b3UQk0fyP2
— CAP Action (@CAPAction) November 5, 2022
✅ A fair economy
✅ Basic rights
✅ Truth
✅ DemocracyIt's all on the ballot. pic.twitter.com/uBctB4Gkm4
— CAP Action (@CAPAction) November 5, 2022
Everyone needs to hear how Obama just finished his speech in Philadelphia. pic.twitter.com/jKksItMXTI
— Really American 🇺🇸 (@ReallyAmerican1) November 5, 2022
Here’s a link to the entire rally Very cool, the little gold stars fast forward to each speaker, and the alt-text tells you which speaker.
When I’m not so frazzled (probably after the election) I will find more sources than Twitter – though I do try to spread it between FB, Twitter, and Youtube on the kindness threads. But there are some issues for folks with FB and Instagram when I embed. We’ll have to troubleshoot those.
Tonight, it was the quickest way to get you highlights. But I’m sure there will still be nasty comments to which I say, “whatever.”
For now, I figure just reading Twitter, I’m not creating any income for fuckface, and I’m happy to watch it burn to the ground. I am gonna miss ScienceTwitter, BlackTwitter, VolcanicTwitter (yes, it’s there), SportsTwitter…well, you get the idea. Some fun follows that I hope we can find elsewhere soon.
This is an open thread
TaMara
Equal time and all:
Another Scott
@TaMara: I was just coming here to post that.
Clowns. Dangerous clowns.
Grr…
I hope he crashes through the crazification level.
Shapiro’s rally comments on “freedom” are excellent, too.
(via nycsouthpaw)
Cheers,
Scott.
David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
Houston, you have a problem⚾
so does ‘Bama and Clemson
What a night
TaMara
And this tidbit:
Geoduck
@TaMara: OK, I’m mildly impressed, I wouldn’t have expected him to even know that word.
Miss Bianca
@TaMara: ok, I hate them both, but gotta admit I cracked a grin at “Ron DeSanctimonious”.
May the two of them fall into the crack of Doom scratching and clawing and screaming at each other all the way down into fiery oblivion.
Gravenstone
@TaMara: Aww, someone had help thumbing through the thesaurus…
Suzanne
@TaMara:
That’s actually funny-adjacent, which means he didn’t come up with it.
TaMara
@Miss Bianca: This is my hope as well.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@TaMara:
Hate to hand it to TFG, but that’s actually a pretty good burn. Especially considering DeathSentence compared himself to Jesus Christ, after all
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Miss Bianca: What a great image
Alison Rose
Fucking a. I wish I could vote for Obama again.
Alison Rose
@Geoduck: I am 1000% sure someone else came up with it and it probably took trump five tries to pronounce it correctly.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Miss Bianca:
Ohhh, nice writing! Good imagery
Raven
@David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: Go Dawgs!!
opiejeanne
@TaMara: Delicous!
Yes, I am like that.
MagdaInBlack
@Miss Bianca: I “Ha Ha’d” out loud at it because I had a vision similar to your description.
Let the brawl begin.
Suzanne
@Alison Rose: I think it is hilarious that everyone on this thread immediately noticed that and came to this conclusion.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
OT: It’s astonishing that $6,400 dollars has already been raised in less than in a day for Jane Mills
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@opiejeanne:
I think after the past six years, we’re all like that
David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
Dump’s cult doesn’t know the meaning of a five syllable word like “sanctimonious”. But it sounds bad and they’ll absorb that import.
Steve in the ATL
@Raven: HBTMFD?!
Glad you had a blast. Bring on Bama then Ohio State!
ETA: you’re either elite or you’re not!
Sister Golden Bear
Thanks to the layoffs of many of the software reliability engineers — the folks who keep Twitter running — and already seeing reports of Twitter starting to get glitchy, an ex-employees are warning the site may go down entirely (remember the Fail While).
So if you on the hellsite now would be a good to request and archive of your account,* and print (and to PDF) the list of all the accounts you follow. People migrating to Mastedon etc. some to reusing their current Twitter names, so you should be able to find them again elsewhere if needed.
Suzanne
I am in a silly mood and I want to share some hot takes. But all in capitals, because that’s funnier.
“SEVEN NATION ARMY” IS NOT A GOOD SONG
KALE IS TASTIER THAN BACON
Steve in the ATL
@Suzanne: RIGHT
WRONG
Citizen Alan
@David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:
Given how the Trump cretins reacted to “deplorable,” I imagine we’ll soon see Desantis supporters (like my sister, Grrrr) say they’re proud to be Desanctimonious.
SpaceUnit
I went to the outside Obama rally in Denver just days before the election in 2008. Huge, enormous crowd, just a sea of good people as far as you could see, incredible energy.
This rally has a lot of that same energy. Fingers crossed and hoping, feeling pretty hopeful actually.
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
Bama waiting till the last minute…
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Suzanne:
My middle and high school marching bands always played that song lol
I always liked it
Alison Rose
@Suzanne: I agree with both, although I’m a vegetarian, so I’m not sure how much weight my concurrence with your second take carries.
WATER TASTES BETTER AT ROOM TEMPERATURE THAN ICE COLD
STAR TREK TNG WAS A BETTER SHOW THAN TOS
(except for the Tribbles episode)
Ken
Maybe TFG can use multisyllabic words, but only when he’s mocking someone’s name. Sort of like in Roger Rabbit, where Roger escapes from the handcuffs and explains “I can do that, but only when it’s funny.”
Suzanne
@Steve in the ATL: I don’t get the bacon love. I find bacon very meh. Even good bacon….meh. I feel the same way about pizza. Everyone loves it, and I can take or leave it.
Captain C
@TaMara: If they (Dr. Oz would-be voters) want to wait ’til the Tuesday after the next Steelers game, that’s fine with me.
Suzanne
@Alison Rose: I agree with both of yours.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Alison Rose:
In terms of production values, no question. The LCARS touchscreens are still nice to look at to this day
It’s funny, there was a time Trek fans said, “You can’t have Star Trek without Kirk or Spock”
raven
@Steve in the ATL: It was epic, not many have matched that in my 38 years of Dawgdome!!
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
@Alison Rose:
True, but also had the advantage of 30+ years of technological advancement. The Great Bird himself said there was much he wanted to do but could not.
Strange New Worlds may surpass them all in the end…
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
@raven: My line brother in the ATL was very happy, and I am ALWAYS good for a Tennessee beating!!
Rich2506
I made that rally! Good stuff! Only problem was that it was crap for to take photos, bright lights and placed directly behind the speakers. I got one reasonably-decent photo of Biden, but a few minutes of film clips.
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
And it’s OVERTIME IN BATON ROUGE!!
🏈RTR 🏈
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Funny Meme I found on Tumblr
Lymie
Gosh, Fetterman is a mountain of a man, I didn’t realize. Go Dems!
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): BWAHAAHAA
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️:
I’ve heard really good things about Stange New Worlds
It seems like it’s a Trek show that supposed to fit into that “episodic” niche
Alison Rose
@BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️: Yeah, but also like…slight cultural improvement in the storylines. Picard had a few babes hot for him, but I swear, Kirk couldn’t set foot on another planet without alien panties being thrown at him. And he wasn’t even that good looking! Patrick Stewart >>>>>>>>>> William Shatner
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): You should DEFINITELY check it out!
Alison Rose
@Lymie: I think I read he’s 6’8″ or 6’9″, plus beefy as hell. Can’t we just let him and Oz duke it out? KO’d in ten seconds, I’d bet.
It would be weird to meet someone that big. I’m 5 feet even and I already feel like a tall munchkin most of the time. Once I met Bill Walton, who is a smidge under 7 feet, and I was like…am I an actual adult? Are you a human?
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
@Alison Rose: TOS is definitely a “of its time” phenomenon, with its fair share of cringe.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Alison Rose:
Did that really happen a lot? I remember watching the series about 4 or 5 years ago and I don’t recall Kirk being that much of a womanizer. That’s more of a pop cultural caricature of him
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
Oh well. Congrats to LSU
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️:
There are people who are honestly mad that DSC and SNW didn’t design their sets exactly after TOS.
AJ of the Mustard Search and Rescue Team
Ty for this TaMara, and for all you do for us. Rough day here and I needed the reminders 🙏🏻
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️: Brian Kelley became head coach tonight
Jackie
@Lymie: He is! And I LOVED that he showed up in his name brand attire! Obama mentioned something to the effect only a real Pennsylvanian could wear shorts in the winter lol
Chetan Murthy
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Yeah, I watched it in the 70s and again&again in the 80s and jesus, the man stuck his tongue into alien female mouths all over the damn Gamma Quadrant.
raven
@BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️:
And they’ve figured out a way to knock the Dawgs off the front page!
geg6
@Another Scott:
Shapiro is a superstar, IMHO. Governor won’t be the end of his career.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
The great Dusty Baker Is three outs away from winning his first World Series as a manager
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Chetan Murthy:
Huh, maybe I forgot stuff
frosty
@Alison Rose:
Yes, he’s a large dude. I met Fetterman at a fundraiser and had a picture taken. I’m a pretty short guy … my S-I-L said “You look like a hobbit!” Gee thanks.
opiejeanne
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I can see how that would be popular with the marching bands, or pep bands.
When I was in school it was Hawaii Five-O, and I think it was deliberately chosen to confuse the dance team.
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Those people are… non-optimal
El Muneco
@Suzanne: “Seven Nation Army”, like e.g. “Rock And Roll Part 2” is a _catchy_ song. It’s an earworm. Which, as you note, doesn’t make it good in an absolute sense.
Jackie
@geg6: He could be our first Jewish president.
The GQP would go apeshit.
Steve in the ATL
@raven: they’re still not elite!
frosty
I missed the rally, even though it wasn’t too far away. Prior commitment for canvassing. The knock list was 58 doors; I find that the introversion kicks in and I burn out at about 30. Still managed to finish all but seven.
Results: Two or three undecided, and of the others 60% not home, 40% “Hell yes, I have a plan to vote! Yes, I plan to vote straight D down the ballot.” We were trying to canvass new and infrequent Democratic voters too, I think. Seems encouraging.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jackie:
So much for “Judeo-Christian values”
opiejeanne
@Alison Rose: I met Nate Thurmond when we lived in the SF bay area. I’m 5’2″, he was 6’11” and was obviously uncomfortable with standing up in the reception area of the Golden State Warriors offices. He introduced himself to me, thinking I was a reporter they were waiting for. It was a little awkward because I was there to make little sequined A-line tear-away dresses for the dance team, was meeting their director.
David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@Jackie:
That’s already happened. And yes they went ape shit (link)
Jay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSItpBdFxx4
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️:
Tell me about it. There’s a reason the Orville, which is practically the second coming of Berman/90s Trek, had to move to Hulu. There’s simply not a mass audience for that kind of television anymore, and that’s coming from someone who’s watched TNG 3 times.
Hell, aside from TNG, the other Berman Trek shows suffered from continuously declining ratings, with ENT only having 4 seasons at the end.
For all the faults of the new Trek shows and JJ Trek, they’ve been very successful by all accounts
I can’t tell you how many times these goobers have declared Alex Kurtzman fired and then Paramount turned right around and game him a 5 year extension on his contract.
I think some fans make franchises a huge part of their identities, and when something new comes along they don’t like, they obsess over it and actively want it to fail, instead of simply not watching something they don’t like
And that’s not even going into the “Star Trek is too WOKE now!” Fandom Menace crowd
Ken
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): People who say “Judeo-Christian” mean “Christian”, as most Jews and most Christians who don’t say “Judeo-Christian” will tell you.
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: And that will be awesome
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@opiejeanne:
Book ’em Dano!
HumboldtBlue
Well, the Phillies lost in the World Series, so fat lot of good you lot did even while reveling in the Commonwealth’s political rallies. The Philadelphia Union also lost the MLS Cup final to LA, so again, youse were useless, so thanks for nothing.
On the other hand, I made a loaf of bread for the first time, and surprisingly, it turned out great.
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): “Fandom Menance” – nice, and accurate!
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
@raven: Yup.
It’s PANDEMONIUM!!
Splitting Image
@Alison Rose:
I’m not sure if that’s even a minority opinion at this point, although I can’t say I frequent the trekker quadrants of the internet all that much.
My impression is that most people regard the original as the most groundbreaking series (being the first), while other series have improved on it one or more areas (not as dated, better production values, special effects, etc.)
TOS would also have a better rep at this point if Shatner were less of a wanker. Every series had some badly written episodes and characters but TNG gains by having more emeriti who can speak intelligently and not make jerks of themselves on Twitter.
Ken
DANCE TEAM: “What the heck are you playing?”
BAND: “Mission Impossible theme. Like it? It’s in 5/4.”
Splitting Image
@HumboldtBlue:
Well, they did pretty good to get that far. They were the last team to clinch a playoff spot and got further than the Mets, Braves, and Dodgers (all 100-win teams) managed to do. So: glass half-full?
Steve in the ATL
@Splitting Image: yup—not bad for a third place team
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Splitting Image:
You’d be surprised. On the TrekBBS, there’s TOS fans who think it’s aged better in some respects than TNG. The set designs have a lot of beige and earth tones, which screams late 80s and early 90s.
Me? Personally I liked TNG’s aesthetics. I always thought the sets were warm and inviting
The Shatner-Takei feud is legendary. Though, Shatner has tried to make peace with the guy, but Takei doesn’t seem to want to let it go
BlueGuitarist
@Suzanne: @Alison Rose:
You called it. He got it from Roger Stone.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Ken:
True enough
HumboldtBlue
@Splitting Image:
Not so much “glass as half full,” but more “this entire playoff run under Philly Rob is extraordinary and no matter what happens, it’s been a season for the ages.”
I ain’t mad at all. This Phillies run was all gravy, I was ready to relegate them to background noise at the end of May when Rob took over and they were 22-29.
They went 65-49 under Thomson, finished the regular season with a 10-game road trip, then played (and won three) four straight playoff games to set up this run.
But still, fuck the Astros.
Eolirin
Even though I think Biden is amazing, and may be the most consequential president we’ve had since FDR, I still get sad that Obama isn’t our president anymore every time I hear him speak.
BlueGuitarist
@frosty:
Thank you
David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@HumboldtBlue:
I hear Dombrowski will sign either Xander Bogaerts or Trea Turner this offseason which will provide a big impact.
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
@Eolirin: Agreed. I wish he had been appreciated more when we had him.
Alison Rose
@Ken: Yep. I loathe that phrase.
Anoniminous
@Suzanne:
Try the Postmodern Jukebox 7 Nation Army cover.
Eolirin
@BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️: I don’t think there’s any other politician that so clearly represents what we can be at our best, that merely by existing calls on us to be better. No one is as good at it as him. You have to go back to Bobby Kennedy to find anyone in the same universe.
David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@Eolirin:
I don’t know, I still remember withdrawing 186,000 troops fighting and dying from Iraq, catching bin Laden, ending DADT, DOMA, preventing a great depression, saving the auto industry and it’s subsidiary industries, opening relations with Cuba, keeping the country out of Syria, and if that wasn’t enough, ending preexisting conditions, rescission, life time caps and bringing healthcare to 35 million people.
The only problem I had with Barack was he was so no drama he didn’t publicize his great achievements.
Chetan Murthy
@Anoniminous: Oohhhh yeah, I was thinkin’ the same thing! Haley Reinhart FTW!
Eolirin
@David 🌈☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: Wasn’t saying Obama wasn’t consequential, but given the handling of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the pandemic recovery efforts, the chip bill, infrastructure bill, and IRA, Biden is already topping that.
Obviously we can’t know if Obama would have done better or worse than Biden in negotiating with Manchin or uniting the EU against Russia, but what Biden has done on those fronts is a goddamn miracle.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Alison Rose:
Wanted to ask, do you have a favorite episode of TNG?
Mine was both parts of Best of Both Worlds
Anoniminous
@Chetan Murthy:
Heard their acapella cover of We Can’t Stop?
Yutsano
I larfed.
Also: I could absolutely see Josh Shapiro as our first Jewish president. At the very least, he needs to speak at the 2024 Democratic convention. Oh and the roll call needs to copy the 2020 format because that was teh awesome!
Chetan Murthy
@Eolirin: I love President Obama, and his entire family: the way that they exemplified the best in us, every day. But …. cometh the hour, cometh the man. And President Biden really is the man for our moment. Which I wouldn’t wish on anybody, but still, I’m glad he’s at the heln.
HumboldtBlue
@Anoniminous:
Nice
CaseyL
@Eolirin: Obama is an amazing speaker, an agile thinker, and a man of unimpeachable character.
Biden is a patient, relentless, persistent fighter.
I loved – and love – Obama, would very happily have voted for him for a third term.
But – ACA aside – Biden’s legislative achievements already outstrip Obama’s.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Chetan Murthy:
BTW, wanted to say sorry for the other night
Chetan Murthy
@Anoniminous: ohhh, niiiice! I’ve heard a different cover of that song by them, but not this one. It’s really nice! Though, for my $$, if there were one song by PMJ that I’d point people at, it’d be All of Me by Kiah Victoria: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXS52TSweKc
Chetan Murthy
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): S’ok, dude. We all get frustrated at times. I should have been more moderate in my reaction, too.
Anoniminous
@Chetan Murthy:
oooooooooo, YEAH!
Chetan Murthy
@Chetan Murthy: And then there’s Devi Ananda’s version of Jar of Hearts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_4Qf2yV0KQ
[which got me to look up Christina Perri, whose original is quite the number, too]
Chetan Murthy
@Anoniminous: The day will come when I’ll feel safe going to an indoor concert venue. I’d like to see PMJ, or Pink Martini, for that first concert.
Eolirin
@CaseyL: I agree, but I still miss him terribly.
Anoniminous
@Chetan Murthy:
Never heard of Pink Martini — have to check them out.
Chetan Murthy
@Anoniminous: They’re amazing.
Una notte a Napoli: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_VFvy9i9wk
Amado Mio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3i9LLoQb1U
So much more, but I love these two songs.
Benno
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: if you’ll forgive the salty language, Dusty Baker can go f*^# himself. I’ll never forgive him for what he did to the Cubs starting rotation in 2004-2006. And I’ll never not say it.
Anoniminous
@Chetan Murthy:
WOW! Thanks!!
Chetan Murthy
@Anoniminous: I learned about ’em here! Ha! Also Caro Emerald ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUV2GPas4aY )
Chetan Murthy
@Anoniminous: When I found Pink Martini back in … 2016, I literally put their youtube channel on my stereo for the next day-and-half, just *bathing* in their sound. Bathing in it.
Anoniminous
@Chetan Murthy:
One nice thing about PMJ is their fronting and promoting of female vocalists.
Who can actually sing.
(gadzooks)
Chetan Murthy
@Anoniminous: Oh yeah. I really like Joey Cook’s voice (e.g. on Ain’t No Rest for the Wicked). Haley Reinhart, Kiah Victoria, Olivia Kuper Harris, the list goes on and on.
eldorado
you aren’t even trying. they are all equally bad
@Alison Rose:
jefft452
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): They are fine with Judeo-Christian, just not Jews
Jack Canuck
Regarding the ‘Kirk as womanizer’ trope, there’s a really interesting, well-written, and well-researched essay on the topic here which I highly recommend.
opiejeanne
@Benno: I used to have a lot of respect for Dusty, but he disabused me of that respect. I’m still mad about his behavior at the 2002 World Series Game against the Angels, when he handed the “game ball” to Russ Ortiz in Game 6. It was the 7th Inning, and they were up 5-0, and it violated behavioral norms of the game. It also angered the Angels players so much that they won that game and then won the 7th game.
He also had his little boy (toddler) on the field during that game, the kid got in the way and IIRC, nearly got stepped on by the players.
Also, fuck them Astros. They are still covered in cheater-stink.
opiejeanne
@Jack Canuck: Omnijerk! Excellent description.
Splitting Image
@Jack Canuck:
Thanks. That was an interesting read.
evodevo
@Ken: Yep…this…the only reason “Judeo” is even mentioned is because talibangelicals obsess over (what they think is) The Ten Commandments, (and of course the homosexual prohibition in Deuteronomy) and because their End Times scenario requires Jews in command of the Temple Mount when Jeebus appears for the “second” time…otherwise, they are exceptionally expendable scapegoats…
JML
@Jack Canuck: a lot of the modern pop-culture perceptions of Kirk as womanizer, rule-breaker/renegade, etc have more to do with 1-2 episodes being popular/well-known than actually looking at the totality of TOS.
Have to say, I’m really enjoying Strange New Worlds, though. Anson Mount’s Pike is really good, and I’m enjoying the whole cast and they’ve got some strong stories.
Miss Bianca
@Alison Rose: DEEP SPACE NINE WAS BETTER THAN BOTH OF THEM.
Fight me. With votes.//
Jertian
@Miss Bianca: B5 > DS9
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
@Miss Bianca: No fight here ☺️
brantl
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): It did happen a lot. He had a lot of spurned babes.
brantl
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): That’s because Shatner really was an asshole.
brantl
True, Dat
WaterGirl
@SpaceUnit: Funny, I was reminded of the rally at the huge venue in Colorado during the primaries, right before the caucus in CO in Feb 2008.
WaterGirl
@frosty: So glad you are doing this.