A lot of people are taking tonight as an opportunity to go around and give Republicans and pundits a hard time about what happened with the Senate. I just want to say I think that’s very good and you should continue doing it.
— Jort-Michel Connard (@torriangray) November 13, 2022
Truly remarkable: election denier Republicans lost Secretary of State races in every major battleground state
— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) November 12, 2022
Well, I guess it's time for the GOP to dust off that post-2012 autopsy and completely ignore it while lighting the party on fire again.
— The Artist Formerly Known As God Emperor (@buhhhhlieevmeee) November 11, 2022
Let's be honest: A lot of Republicans are only mad that the crazy vote didn't come through for them. They had no problem with the crazy per se. https://t.co/fqO8NGoGWc
— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) November 12, 2022
There is a renewed discussion among some Trump allies about trying to get him not to announce. That is…not likely to succeed https://t.co/sEsVD2nzXe
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) November 13, 2022
I'm all for the Trump excoriating but the truth, for Republican primary voters, is that Trump didn't do this to you. He is just one man. You did this to you.
— Peter Spiliakos (@petespiliakos) November 13, 2022
In nearly every case, you can be sure McConnell would have preferred a different candidate. But GOP was tied at hip to Trump. They sent their fundraising appeals from DonaldTrumpMajority dot com. Not MitchMcConnellMajority dot com.
— Steven Dennis (@StevenTDennis) November 13, 2022
It is fun to watch the leaders of the Republican Party blame “the leaders of the Republican Party” for driving off a cliff. https://t.co/aVobC3RofA
— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) November 13, 2022
“If only McConnell had thrown more money at our awful candidates” says the wing of the GOP that threw its money at Donald Trump to fund his legal escapades.
— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) November 13, 2022
They wish this was about Trump, because Trump will go away someday. They don't want to acknowledge even their faves like DeSantis are deeply alienating to most Americans. https://t.co/UkoG7aiCfm
— Millard Fillmore's porcelain zither (@agraybee) November 10, 2022
Where did the voters go so wrong?
The dominant storyline in the run-up to the midterm elections apparently overshadowed the actual numbers, a disconnect some journalists took note of as the results came in. https://t.co/b9IsZTVSPG
— VANITY FAIR (@VanityFair) November 10, 2022
“Two weeks out from the midterms, evidence points to a re-emerging red wave that could sweep in GOP control of both chambers. In the Senate, Republican officials are now bullish they'll gain at least the one seat necessary to regain the majority.”
Josh Kraushaar
Oct 23, 2022 https://t.co/i6UedsMQ0O— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) November 11, 2022
Man, how mad do you think Trump is that he’s missing this shit?
It must be like a lion watching your zookeeper eat a raw steak while you’re locked in a cage.
— Checkless Starfish Who Can Change His Name (@IRHotTakes) November 11, 2022
trnc
I believe the only appropriate analogy to republicans already gravitating back toward DT is “flies on shit.”
Speaking of rumpus, is it weird that Musk thinks he should be the only charging for content?
The rest of the article is fun, too.
Scout211
Last night’s SNL cold open was amusing with Fox and Friends breaking up with Trump and Kari Lake (Cecily Strong) as a guest.
Jeffg166
A lot, or enough, of the GQP base didn’t show up because they died of Covid having done their research and believing it was fake thanks to FAUX and other wing nut new sources.
Baud
Amidst the joy, we have to remember how bad the media was in the run-up. So much spin, even when the poll numbers didn’t justify it. Daily criticisms of how Dems were running the campaigns. All the focus on issues that help the GOP, ignoring the issues that help us
And they will so this again.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone😊😊😊
rikyrah
@Baud:
Bring receipts👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Let’s file them away until next election season
Amir Khalid
The Economist is blurbing an editorial that urges Joe Biden not to run in 2024. I wonder why.
Baud
@Amir Khalid:
“Please don’t run. We can’t beat you.”
eclare
@Baud: QFT.
Nicole
@Baud: You’re right. The media was exhibit A of Magical Thinking all summer into Election Day. It’s like they all collectively read The Secret before they started writing their articles.
OzarkHillbilly
I’ll settle the debate for you. If you are still in the GOP, you are crazy.
Anyway
I am almost tempted to watch the Sunday morning gabfests to see the hosts eat crow …
Jim, Foolish Literalist
the polls were fucked up again, this time in the other direction. I just that nutty Don Bolduc, who allegedly had pulled almost neck-and-neck with Hassan, lost by ten. Patty Murray, who was supposed to be under serious threat from (I think supposedly normie R?) Tiffany Smiley, is up by 15 per my google search (don’t now if all votes are counted in WA)
rikyrah
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I Smoked The Senate 🗨 (@BlackKnight10k) tweeted at 9:07 PM on Fri, Nov 11, 2022:
Alright. The GOP plan to win the White House in 2024 is dead 🧵
I Smoked The Senate 🗨 (@BlackKnight10k) tweeted at 9:07 PM on Fri, Nov 11, 2022:
The 2024 Republican candidate will and was always going to lose the popular vote, whether that be Trump, Desantis, or anyone else. The plan to get over that hump was to either
1. Use governors and secretaries of state to rig swing state elections or…
I Smoked The Senate 🗨 (@BlackKnight10k) tweeted at 9:07 PM on Fri, Nov 11, 2022:
2. Use state legislatures to throw out electoral college votes for Biden and give the GOP the electoral college win.
Thanks to Democratic turnout in these 2022 midterms and voting down ballot, we won too many of those pivotal races for that to be a viable strategy.
(https://twitter.com/BlackKnight10k/status/1591266467588505600?s=02)
OzarkHillbilly
It’s almost like telling your voters that elections are rigged was the same as saying, “Vote? Why bother.”
different-church-lady
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’ll be repetitve: this year the media was either complicit in GOP psyops, or willing dupes. Honest-but-mistaken just doesn’t pass the smell test.
rikyrah
@rikyrah:
That’s why the Supreme Court accepted that BULLSHYT case on this year’s docket. We will see what happens with that case now😒
rikyrah
@different-church-lady:
They were all in. They have not earned the benefit of the doubt😒
OzarkHillbilly
I love the delusion in this
Yes, because “everyday conservatives” are the people who show up at the Heritage Foundation’s annual masturbatory confab.
narya
@rikyrah: Yes–this!
Also, this is just DELICIOUS. Moar judges, please. Even if everything else is nougaty cluster of fuck–and there is NO certainty that that will happen–the judges are so important. If they manage to hold the House as well, who will be on the newly reconstituted J6 committee, do you think? Will any Rs be willing to do it?
narya
@OzarkHillbilly: And “everyday conservatives” are in the Federalist Society.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
I love blaming Trumpism on consultants.
Scout211
The political media missing (or ignoring) the impact of the Dobbs decision is one of the worst cases of media malpractice in this cycle, IMO. It’s almost like they don’t notice voters unless they dress up in costumes and attend rallies (or eat at diners wear MAGA caps).
I’m old enough to remember the phrase “silent majority.” We may need to pull that one out again.
I hope the press starts noticing voters who might not scream and cosplay, but show up in large numbers to vote for issues that they feel strongly about.
But that would be boring copy. Sigh.
Jeff Del Papa
One obvious question, given all the blame slinging, if Yertle doesn’t get minority leader again, does he take his shell and go home. (Well a guy can hope anyway)
Geminid
One positive I took away from this election was the strength Democrats showed in western states. Colorado seems like it might haved turned the corner going from purple to blue. South of them, Democrats in New Mexico kept a solid grip on the Governor’s chair, and added 38 year old Gabe Vasquez to its other two Democratic Representatives.
Arizona’s elections showed that the success of Biden and Kelly in 2020 was not a one-off, and that it is in fact a purple state. Democrats elevated talent when they elected Adrian Fontes Secretary of State, and Katie Hobbs could still be their first Democratic Governor since Janet Napolitano.
Oregon Democrats held the Governorship under tough conditions, and Washington Democrats were able to weather the midterm effect and add a 32 year old small businesswoman, Marie Glusenkamp Perez to their congressional delegation.
Closer to the Mississippi, Laura Kelly’s and Sharice David’s victories showed that at least electorally, Kansas Republicans are unable to marginalize the state’s Democratic voters.
Baud
There a bunch of senate confirmed officials who are happy they won’t be chained to their desks for the next two years.
oldgold
In the autumn of 2024 can we get the media to stay the hell out of the diners of the country soliciting political opinions.
For the most part, at least in my splinter of the world, you would not ask the folks frequenting these grease and caffeine dispensaries their opinion on the time of day.
Qrop Non Sequitur
Point of order, that phrase is still in use by the noisy minority that created it.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
CO-Sen was one of the races where the Miss Grundys were telling us Dems had outsmarted themselves by meddling in the R primary. Those meddling
kidsDems!narya
It’s almost like they don’t notice voters who have a uterus.
Suzanne
@OzarkHillbilly: When will the diehard MAGAs figure out that they are not the base, they have never been the base, and in fact, both parties would love it if they were all put in a rocketship and shot into the surface of the sun?! The GOP wants to cut taxes and Social Security and Medicare, not protect these things for low-class white people. And the Dems don’t want to align with bigots and meth fiends, they don’t want to endanger the multiracial + white college-educated coalition they have.
NO ONE WANTS YOU, MAGA TROLLS.
Kay
@Scout211:
Women aren’t permitted big issues like liberty and autonomy and freedom- they vote exclusively on small ball, practical concerns – like the cost of milk or was school open 180 days or 160.
lowtechcyclist
No idea who Kevin Roberts is, but if he wants to believe the attendees at Heritage’s annual meeting are “everyday conservatives,” who am I to counter his delusions?
ETA: Beaten to the punch by OzarkHillbilly!
I’d be all for that, except the last time that happened, we got Cheetolini.
kalakal
@Baud: 👍
Matt McIrvin
@rikyrah: This is so important. The biggest damage the country took in the 2010 red wave was so many state governments being taken over by fanatical Republican majorities that locked in control for several cycles through antidemocratic measures. They were looking to leverage a repeat of that into control of the Presidency, but they got hung up at step 1 because it turns out people actually do not want that.
(Well, maybe they want it in Florida.)
Doug R
WSJ mentioning 2018, 2020, 2021 and 2022-they failed to mention he got 2,800,000 FEWER votes in 2016 and only squeaked in thanks to the slave era EC.
bbleh
O, the schaden, es ist freudelicious!
different-church-lady
@Suzanne: You can’t spell MAGA without TRUMP.
Anyway
I am also very happy about the MI, WI, MN, PA governor races. Hope 2016 was an aberration in those states …
bbleh
@Scout211: It’s almost like the entertainment is more important for them than the news.
OzarkHillbilly
There is a part of me that wants to send him a thank you card for the midterm election results. There is another part of me that wants to fill that card with J&J’s baby powder. I guess I’ll just have to resist the urge to send him anything other than wishes for a case of ulcerated hemorrhoids.
zhena gogolia
@Amir Khalid: The NYT did it yesterday.
bbleh
@Anyway: Plus, one hopes, AZ.
OzarkHillbilly
Reinforcing the truism that one should be careful what one wishes for.
EarthWindFire
@narya: This. Plenty of women marching for abortion rights had great costumes. Didn’t help them.
different-church-lady
@Kay: You know what media’s big problem is right now? They keep listening to noisy idiots but think they’re hearing average Americans.
bbleh
@Amir Khalid: @zhena gogolia: and that font of insight and insider savviness Chris Cillizza did likewise a few days ago.
Who are these people writing for? I mean, it’s becoming kind of dangerously inbred…
lowtechcyclist
@Qrop Non Sequitur:
Time to swipe it right out from under their noses.
Suzanne
I muse on the question…. was it all worth it? I mean, the GOP has sacrificed a lot on the altar of MAGA, and a lot of people lit their political careers on fire to align with Trump. And they got Squi’s Buddy and Aunt Lydia on the court. But, in real terms, what is that going to return for them? Medication abortions are a thing, educational assortative mating means that lower-class men still aren’t getting married, so this whole “restoration of white patriarchy” plan doesn’t seem to be working for them.
OzarkHillbilly
@different-church-lady: Where “average Americans” means people who say the things I want to hear.
rikyrah
Yes…JUDGES!
Jon Cooper (@joncoopertweets) tweeted at 6:07 AM on Sun, Nov 13, 2022:
IMPORTANT: If @ReverendWarnock wins the Georgia Senate runoff, it will allow Majority Leader Schumer to speed up federal judicial confirmations. Dems will have the majority on committees, so the Judiciary Committee won’t have to waste time on floor votes for discharge petitions.
(https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1591764781849280513?s=02)
Amir Khalid
@OzarkHillbilly:
I suppose the next Federalist Society gathering those Justices get invited to won’t be a gala dinner.
Geminid
@Doug R: I think that Trump’s 2016 vote total was the second lowest of 10 presidential candidates since 2000. Only John McCain got fewer votes, in 2008.
different-church-lady
@Suzanne: Junkies are not known for long-term thinking skills.
bjacques
The Red Shart should be an entertaining topic for those of us otherwise dreading Thanksgiving. You can always troll by pointing out that this n the bright side Trump escaped the January 6 Committee, so all that money for campaigns that went to his lawyers (and fixing his jet!) instead was money well spent!
”Ready my one-man escape pod”
Brachiator
I imagine that the Sunday pundit shows will be particularly insufferable today. There are still some races to be decided, so in the absence of actual news, navel gazing will be intense. Much faux hand wringing over the inaccuracy of polls and how good they have got it all wrong.
Maybe some gleeful cheering over a potential Trump v DeSantis death match.
I suppose it will be interesting to see if they give the Democrats any credit for doing well, or give voters credit for often choosing sanity over whatever it is the GOP is offering.
Betty Cracker
Watching Bucs vs Seahawks (early because it’s played in Munich) and writing postcards to voters. We need to retain Warnock to write Senate rules (no more bullshit senatortoise compromises) AND because he’s awesome!
different-church-lady
@Brachiator: “We amplified a bunch of horseshit polls we should have known were horseshit and now we’re acting all surprised” is gonna be a hell of a look.
Also, they’ve already moved on to the next scheduled act on the bill: is Biden too old to run again?
lowtechcyclist
@bbleh:
The Republicans, clearly. And I’m past the point of caring whether they’re doing it deliberately, or whether the national media simply has its brain wired to believe Republicans are strong and manly and shit like that.
The GOP hasn’t been the “daddy party” in ages now, and anyone who thinks the Dems’ chances in 2024 would be improved by running someone other than Biden must be smoking some weird shit.
Matt McIrvin
@Qrop Non Sequitur: Yeah, Trump had signs saying the silent majority was for him.
Kay
@OzarkHillbilly:
Barrett was cracking jokes about female protestors who want their rights back.
I’d put her performance in an ad next cycle. She’s a wholly political actor and fair game. I didnt tell her to go to the Republican Lawyers Club gala and try to own the libs. That was all her. She exhibits poor judgment and has from the get go, starting with her ridiculous confirmation where Trump put her in a campaign video and she allowed it.
Suzanne
@different-church-lady: You know that line in one of the Star Wars movies, where Liam Neeson says, “the whole planet is one big city”? Sometimes when I find myself in a very red place, I think, “the whole town (state, whatever) is one big meth lab”.
Baud
@Kay:
That sounds like something an outside group should do.
lowtechcyclist
Red Ripple
Or as my wife said, maybe just a little bit of spotting.
different-church-lady
OMG, this from the Vanity Fair article:
Baud
@Suzanne:
Red states: The Meth Laboratories of Democracy!
Mike S (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!)
@Baud: I believe once they are confirmed the President can ove them into ANY job that requires Senate approval without any further Senate action. TFG did that a lot for people who weren’t qualified for the job he moved them to. Which was no problem for the Beltwway Mediums (sp? or trademark, take your pick!)
Baud
@Mike S (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!):
Yeah, but that’s a pain on people when they actually want to get work done.
different-church-lady
@Kay: she’s like the weirdest trophy wife ever.
Baud
@different-church-lady:
Will’s name has come up a lot here recently and none of it in a good way.
gene108
@rikyrah:
I’m not sure receipts help. Media has a “no returns, all
salesstories final” policy.Kay
@Baud:
Imagine Sonia Sotomayor putting on a public performance jeering at conservative men on gun laws.
Ha ha ha. Look at those silly men.
Fair. Game. The whole room laughing at women is a great ad.
different-church-lady
@Baud: I don’t know much about him, but he fuckin’ nailed that one.
gene108
@Nicole:
They refused to accept how much Dobbs changed the electoral landscape.
VA and NJ, in 2021, had very strong showings by Republicans. Biden’s poll numbers were underwater much of 2021 going into 2022. All signs pointed to Dem disaster. Then Dobbs changed everything.
But they’d already settled on their narrative.
Suzanne
@Kay: Fingers crossed for lightning bolts for Alito, Roberts, and most especially Thomas in the next year.
Geminid
@Amir Khalid: One emphatic view of the matter:
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay:I despise the fab 5. Each one is lower than the next.
BellyCat
When you’ve lost the Wall Street Journal… 😂
Geminid
OzarkHillbilly
@Suzanne: That certainly is true of Washington Co.
different-church-lady
@Geminid:
Dirtbag left is probably already hard at work on how to market that crazy.
Miss Bianca
@OzarkHillbilly: As my publisher and I were noting to each other in the run-up to Election Day, it’s almost as if GOP screaming that the elections are RIGGED, RIGGED, I TELL YOU, SO YOUR VOTE DOESN’T COUNT, SO…VOTE! TO MAKE IT COUNT! OR SOMETHING!…
…wasn’t the best-thought-out election campaign strategy.
Betty Cracker
@bjacques: “Red shart” — LMAO!
Capri
When you try to “both sides” a 80-20 issue, it helps the 20 because it is discussed like a plausible thing rather than something completely out of the main stream. In political reporting it makes the press seem to be pro-GOP. In their minds they are not – they are nonpartisan. Since they never compare what various political operative tell them to the truth, they give much more weight to GOP beliefs than they should.
I heard a person who was supposed to be a GOP political expert discuss the Roe issue by saying that the rabid “no abortions no exceptions”” folks will be canceled out by the “abortions on demand until delivery” folks so it will not have an effect on the midterms. It didn’t seem to occur to him that the “no exceptions” were half of the GOP politicians, the “abortions until delivery” was a figment of pro-life imagination and that 10% can’t cancel out the 90% of the people who think of abortion as health care.
Chief Oshkosh
@rikyrah:
Which is
in…about a monthdown in Georgia! :)ETA: RIGHT NOW!
Cacti
Hell, they’re already settling into the new narrative of “losing is good news for the Republicans.” and “Americans still want fascism, it just needs to be led by sexy man beast Ron DeSantis.”
Suzanne
@Geminid: As someone who really wanted Senator Professor Warren to win the primary in 2020….the idea of running anybody but Biden next cycle is just utter insanity. Even if you don’t love the guy — which I think is an utterly valid position — he has proven that he is the consensus pick. And since this is a team sport, consensus matters more than any individual.
Maybe this is just how I justify (to myself) having volunteered and voted for Sinema. She is ultimately unimportant, but keeping Mitch McConnell from a majority was the most important thing.
different-church-lady
@Capri: When your entire understanding of the world is “Two opposing people shouting at each other in front of a TV camera” then yes, one can fall victim to that failure of logic.
Spanky
@OzarkHillbilly: Fun fact: Fifteen states have a Washington County, and your statement is true for the 4 I know.
Jackie
@OzarkHillbilly: Isn’t it grand we can stick pins in SC voodoo dolls again! 😁
Suzanne
@Cacti:
:::throws up in mouth:::
Kay
@Suzanne:
The Republican Lawyers Club gala where four justices crowed about taking rights from women was Thursday evening- after the election where the public delivered a harsh verdict on their work.
They don’t care– politicking for the far Right is much more important than protecting the credibility and integrity of that court.
Absolute contempt for the public. I resent paying them. They should be on the GOP payroll.
Betty Cracker
@Geminid: She’s right about that, especially if Trump is the nominee.
Baud
@different-church-lady: Yeah, I misread the quote. Agree he was spot on there.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: Next they’ll whine about how people shouldn’t question their nonexistent integrity. What a disgraceful bunch of political hacks.
SFAW
@Baud:
But enough about Omnes.
JPL
@Kay: A year or so after her confirmation, she gave a speech that Fox news thought was political in nature. They spoke about it for days. I can’t remember the details, but she highlighted the role of Latinos. Maybe someone else will remember more of the details.
IOKIYR
Geminid
@Baud: Will Stancil can get some things right. But that Politico article was a fat pitch, and Stancil was just one of many commenters I saw knock it out of the park.
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
Alito has this huge CHIP on his shoulder. No amount of power would be enough for this guy. He is still, somehow, a victim– a persecuted religious minority although that court is packed with far Right religious nuts who imperiously hand down decrees.
Suzanne
@Kay: Agreed.
I just have to wonder, tho…. do they really think they’re going to be able to reverse fifty years of cultural change via the courts? If they do, they’re dumber than even I thought.
If lib-owning is the be-all and end-all of MAGA, then I guess mission accomplished. We were certainly miserable, for a time. But, I mean, they still have a long way to go in that restoring white-patriarchy agenda. I have to imagine that, at some point, they might ask themselves if tying themselves to Trump was worth it.
Ted Cruz should ask himself this question… I can’t look at the guy without thinking that he is a weak piece of shit.
UncleEbeneezer
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
These clowns really want me to believe CATHOLICS are a persecuted minority in this country? With THAT court?
It’s bullshit. Wah wah wah, we’re persecuted. WTF do they want? What would be enough? All 9 seats?
Cacti
It’s astounding to me that elite media don’t think women consider unwanted pregnancy and unplanned parenthood to be economic issues. Raising a child from 0-18 will be the most expensive thing most people ever do, and it will weigh into every other economic decision you make.
Brachiator
@different-church-lady:
This is a great point. Media, pundits and bloggers often create a narrative and then filter everything through the story that they made. They will ignore or downplay anything that doesn’t fit, even when the polls or facts are more reliable.
For example, exit polls indicate that voters cared about inflation. But it was not true that voters automatically blamed Biden for inflation or believed that the Republicans could do better. And abortion was an equally big concern.
But the media narrative was that abortion was a minor issue and voters believed GOP lied about “excessive” liberal spending.
Jackie
@UncleEbeneezer: Exactly! We can never ever take any seat for granted. I hope Warnock wins decisively!
Geminid
@Kay: Alito’s Church has lost a lot of members, and that’s not because of persecution from the outside. It’s because the Church has been persecuting its own membership with the same patriarchal oppression and authoritarian abuse that Alito wants to impose on the rest of us.
Kay
@Suzanne:
I’m relieved. I didn’t know what women would do. I know how I feel about autonomy and agency and I know how my daughter feels and as you and I talked about I think WWC young women are more liberal than the men, which I base on my law practice conversations (which is part of why the young white working class men are so angry) but I didn’t know how it would go- it’s unprecedented. Which is why media ANNOUNCING they knew is such a marker of bias. Why did they think they knew? Because their thinking is premised on archaic views of women.
UncleEbeneezer
@Kay: It doesn’t even pass the smell test. When was the last time you heard someone refer derisively to Catholics? It’s never really been a thing in my lifetime (born in ’73).
Suzanne
@Cacti: The elite media also don’t see that (attempting to) end legal abortion is part of a larger effort to keep women out of higher education and white-collar professions.
OzarkHillbilly
@Spanky: WashCo was once the meth capitol of the state of misery. They would bust dozens of labs every month. You can always tell where the meth heads live by the trash/junk in their yards. There is a trailer a few miles away that is truly spectacular in it’s methiness.
And yes, they have children.
geg6
@Geminid:
Yes, this.
Kay
@Geminid:
It’s especially amusing because the President is Catholic and so is the House speaker. They’re not far Right nutjob Catholic – they’re not members of the GOP base like Alito and Barrett, but the idea that Catholics are somehow unrepresented in this country is absolute nonsense.
Alito goes overseas to whine about how he’s a persecuted religious minority. Laughable.
Suzanne
@Kay: You know, Mr. Suzanne and I know a few deeply devout Catholics, and lots of them do feel some ridicule from Protestants, especially the WASP types. But they miss the real cause. One of Mr. Suzanne’s friends posted this thing recently on her Facebook about how “they laugh at us as Mary worshippers!”. Mr. Suzanne and I were talking about it later, and we were like, “Uhhhhh, no, they ridicule y’all for having a bunch of kids, many of whom turn out badly”.
EVERY SPERM IS SACRED, EVERY SPERM IS GREAAAAAAAAT
IF A SPERM GETS WASTED, GOD GETS QUITE IRAAAAAAATE!
True then, and still true.
schrodingers_cat
@different-church-lady: The media was complicit in HRC’s loss too. I am looking at you Vichy Times.
Baud
Via Reddit
And an astute comment from there.
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay: If those women had stayed in their place they never would have shown up at the polls.
UncleEbeneezer
My group in Sierra Madre/Pasadena sent out over 2,000 postcards to Cortes Masto voters!! So thrilled that she got over the finish line.
James E Powell
@different-church-lady:
I will be repetitive & reiterative: This year & in 2000, 2004, & 2016. And I lean toward complicit.
bbleh
@UncleEbeneezer: @Kay: @Suzanne: It WAS a thing for generations, not least because many immigrants in the late 19th and early 20th centuries were from predominantly Catholic countries (Ireland, Italy, eastern Europe), and of course immigrants were dirty thieving invaders then just like they are now. Kennedy was the first Catholic president, and it was an issue in the election (it was suggested he would secretly take orders from the Pope). Even today, there is lingering prejudice in the South (who’d’a guessed).
All that said, your point is well taken, and Alito — especially! — doesn’t have a leg to stand on.
narya
@Cacti: And is one of the reasons that so many people who choose abortion already have kids, and are likely to have more–just not at this particular time! The Strict Scrutiny podcast folks interviewed a researcher who looked at women who had an unintended pregnancy, wanted an abortion, and then either were able to or were NOT able to obtain it. One of the hugest differences in outcomes was economic, which affected the children they already had (e.g., in terms of poverty level).
different-church-lady
@Kay: Snort another line, fellas. Tap another vein.
OzarkHillbilly
@UncleEbeneezer: I gew up Catholic during the 60s and heard a lot of the stereotypes bandied about but it was mostly (always?) done in a joking manner. I never paid any heed to it. Certainly never took it personal. Especially after I became a fallen catholic when I was 14 (’72).
Cacti
I don’t think Candy ever really made it out of the useful idiot circle. She was notably snubbed when the 2020 Republican Convention speaking slots were handed out.
Kay
@Geminid:
I don’t trash religious people but the idea they don’t have “religious liberty” in this country is nonsense.
People like Alito don’t want “religious liberty”. They want to force non religious or differently religious to follow their religious rules. It’s anti-liberty.
different-church-lady
@Baud:
Y’know, a smart, decent person would see someone being rude to others and reach a conclusion about that person’s character before having to suffer that rudeness directly.
raven
The Wild Rumpus is also a big Halloween event here in Athens!
Honus
@OzarkHillbilly: Exactly. They’re blaming “DC-centric, consultant-driven non-strategy” when it was their wingnut MAGA base that actually drove their Trump centric midterm strategy, but of course they only have one playbook, to vilify the “elites”
I expect to hear how the RINOs ruined their red wave. And the democrats made them do it, of course. The party of personal responsibility.
Suzanne
@bbleh: Anti-Catholic feeling was definitely true in my family. But it also masked some just good old-fashioned bigotry.
I remember, when I was a kid on Long Island, there was a Catholic family in our neighborhood with five kids, and they got whispered about. Then we moved to Mesa, AZ, which is the second-largest LDS community in the world, and encountered all of these families with eight or more kids. And many of them were on various kinds of public assistance, like free school lunch, even though most of the moms stayed at home. That was….most assuredly a cause of much side-eye from certain neighbors. I remember one LDS family in our neighborhood moved to a neighborhood a quarter of a mile away because they felt judged and wanted to be around “their kind”.
The large family size thing is definitely…..still an axis of judgment. LOL. But getting side-eye from your neighbors isn’t the same as persecution, and it’s offensive to suggest that it is.
OzarkHillbilly
@Suzanne: When I was growing up I was often asked how many kids were in our family. “6.”
“Your Catholic, aren’t you?”
Fro the record we all turned out to be fine, productive citizens. ;-)
Citizen Alan
@lowtechcyclist: To be fair, a lot of real-life daddies are low-life, abusive, pedophile scum. And the GQP is the perfect party to represent them.
different-church-lady
@Suzanne: The world is such a weird place: I have not even the first freakin’ clue what my neighbors’ religious beliefs are, and I don’t want to.
Cacti
Especially the non-religious. Alito just seethes with contempt for the unchurched.
Suzanne
@Kay:
They want to be esteemed for their religion. They want social capital. This is why Rod Dreher is constantly blathering about “negative world”.
They can do what they want, but none of us have to look up to them or think well of them.
Kay
@Geminid:
The real “tell” with these clowns was not Dobbs. It was this:
Remember- Gorsuch is supposedly the non Right wing nut.
This entire case was premised on lies. Kennedy lied about the facts and so did his lawyer, who is a hugely respected far Right lawyer. They invented a whole set of facts and the far Right justices went their way anyway.
Honus
@oldgold: This. Old white people eating in diners at 10 am because they’re retired and not going work.
Cacti
@Kay: Sotomayor was so appalled by the whole spectacle, that she took the virtually unheard of step of including photos with the dissent, and stated less pointedly that the majority’s “facts” were absolute bullshit.
I’ve never seen a SCOTUS opinion where the majority just flat fabricated facts to reach the desired outcome.
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay: There is no freedom of religion without freedom from religion.
Suzanne
@different-church-lady: You know, it’s not really about the religious beliefs. There are, of course, plenty of Catholic families that use birth control. But there’s definitely a lot of people who consider having a big family irresponsible, especially if they see the kids getting into trouble. All of the “anti-Catholic bias” I have ever detected hinges on that. And having a big family is a thing that is visible to neighbors.
Kay
Sorry, but the far Right justices are shitty parents if they don’t recognize that a coach holding big show-offy public prayers where the players who dont participate are obvious as not part of coach’s little religious club is coercive.
These are people who never talked to a 15 year old about school. Excuse me, never listened to a 15 year old.
That school district should be proud. They put students first despite intense pressure and endless litigation from the far Right. They also told the truth at hearing, unlike Kennedy and his lawyer who apparently are “liars for the Lord”.
scav
@Suzanne: Exactly. They require ubiquitous necessary personal esteem for themselves and all their actions. Pretty much the same automatic esteem and obedience the incels require for their accident of external personal plumbing.
UncleEbeneezer
@bbleh: Oh definitely in YOUR lifetime, but not really in mine. Whereas I couldn’t (still can’t) get away from blatant Anti-Blackness, Anti-Semitism, Xenophobia, Misogyny, Transphobia, Islamophobia etc. I don’t think anti-Catholic sentiments have played a major role in our politics in decades. The fact that we have to go back to Kennedy for truly glaring examples, emphasizes the point.
Like when was the last time a law was proposed that pretty obviously was aimed at oppressing only Catholic-Americans? Whereas the GOP still targets Black People, Women, LGBTQ people, Immigrants etc., every damn day in 2022.
OzarkHillbilly
@Suzanne: My mother always said the best thing she ever gave us kids was each other. She wasn’t wrong.
Geminid
@Honus: It’s been pointed that reporters would get better information if they hung out at Starbucks. After all, it’s the newer suburbs that are the political battlegrounds now, not the older towns.
Maybe these journalists are reluctant to report on their own peers. So instead they visit these vanishing communities. It’s as if they’re working for National Geographic.
delphinium
@Kay:
Which is ironic since they are incapable of adhering to even the most basic rules of their own religion. The ultimate, ‘do as I say, not as I do’.
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
@Cacti: Guess it’s time for me to kick a few bucks to the Freedom from Religion Foundation again…
From last year in case anyone has forgotten:
Supreme Court ‘abandons longstanding doctrine’ in Maine school voucher decision
“However, the majority opinion, written by Justice John Roberts, asserts that Maine’s law impermissibly infringes on the rights of religious schools”
“This claim misconstrues the real religious freedom at stake in the case, which is the right of every taxpayer to be free from funding religious indoctrination, and the right of every student in Maine to an education free from religiously motivated discrimination. ”
Personally I fail to understand why tax dollars/public funding goes to ANY private elementary or high school.
Cacti
Mostly, I feel sorry for the older kids in large families, who almost always get a portion of parental responsibilities for the younger ones fobbed onto them by their exhausted, overextended Mom and Dad.
sab
@Suzanne: That alone proves to me that Mrs. Barrett of the Supreme Court is a fuzzy thinker. Like Clarence Thomas.
Whereaway
Along with the phrase ‘Moral Majority’ …
Suzanne
@scav: Yes, 100% right.
They believe that they are now in “negative world“, and realize that people think poorly of them.
As someone brought up in left-wing churches, I would submit that much of why they get looked down upon us because they’re not good Christians. They’re hypocrites and in it only for the attention. The pre-social-media version of doing it for the ‘gram.
bbleh
@UncleEbeneezer: Yeah, at this point there is materially less anti-Catholic bias even than anti-Semitism (which is enjoying a resurgence, thank you
American FascistsRepublicans), and I certainly didn’t hear a murmur about Biden’s Catholicism (and he’s the first since Kennedy).If I had to guess, I’d say Alito DOES have cause to feel persecuted, but it’s because he’s a whiny entitled douchebag.
Citizen Alan
@Cacti: Candice Owen’s sole reason for existence is to be every Conservative’s “one black friend” who proves that they are not racist. I still follow the Herman Cain awards sub reddit (don’t judge me), And you are more likely to see memes invoking Candace Owens’s disgusting comments about race in the Facebook feeds of blatant, Confederate-flag-waving bigots than anyone else other than Shitgibbon himself.
Jackie
The Wedding is over and TFG is back to blaming McConnell and throwing racist slurs at Elaine Chao.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mitch-mcconnell-2658640486/
Suzanne
@OzarkHillbilly: The social conservatives are very, very threatened by women going to college and delaying marriage and maternity.
Also, educational assortative mating has skyrocketed in the last two decades. Among my age cohort and younger, it is considerably more likely than in previous generations that both partners either have a degree, or both do not. And the college-educated people are more likely to get and stay married, and they have fewer children than in previous generations…..in part because they start later in order to finish school and start careers.
sab
@UncleEbeneezer: My late mom did ( born in 1928.) She got over it when two of her three daughters married Catholic guys.
She came by it honestly. One grandfather was the son of Irish immigrants who married a Canadian Scot. The families despised each other although the marriage was happy. The Irish grandmother left $3 in dimes ( 30 pieces of silver, like Judas got for betraying Jesus) to each of her sons who married non-Catholics. His brother married a Jewish girl. Third brother never married at all because of his lifelong affair with a married woman. Fourth brother did marry a Catholic.
Everyone ended up Methodist because their little town in Wisconsin didn’t have an Anglican Church.
scav
@Cacti: Not all kids are necessarily adverse to getting additional responsibility and control, especially if it’s real. (To a certain extent, there are elements where current practice infantilizes kids long past their abilities). (Oh, and there are, of course!, the elders that would cherish control over their siblings for all the wrong reasons. Which at least provides the opportunity for picking up sneaky inter-personal skills of value later in life.)
Ksmiami
@Betty Cracker: we need to be able to fucking fire them or physically remove them. Either way works for me. The SC is a partisan, unstable joke.
Ksmiami
@bbleh: Assholes are not supposed to be a protected group…
delphinium
@Whereaway:
Old enough to remember the bumper stickers at the time stating “The Moral Majority is neither”. Perhaps that can be resurrected.
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
@Kay: Religious liberty is fine and good, a teacher or coach in a public school making a show of praying at a school function decidedly is not, I kind of (actually REALLY) resented it at functions when I was in the military as well. Loved (NOT) the fact that in boot camp for instance if you went to religious services(which were kind of plain vanilla protestant as far as I could tell) you got out of cleaning the compartment, which is what all us heathens had to do back the barracks. School was worse. If you wanted to Not participate in the generic Christian prayer/invocation/whatever you were basically making an example of/putting a target on yourself for exclusion or abuse.
School is hard enough. The social environment of most schools does not encourage swimming against the tide. It’s better now but it’s still not with out problems. And bringing a kid brnging their complaints about harassment to adults in the school is also not without risk.
Citizen Alan
@Suzanne:
I don’t think that’s all it is nowadays. At least in the South, I think a lot of anti-Catholic bias is driven by bigotry against immigrants and especially Latino immigrants. Every Catholic Church I have driven by in North Mississippi has a sign saying when the Spanish language service is held, something I have never seen in front of a protestant church down here. Given the number of horrible old people in Mississippi who will bitterly complain about the existence of “Press one for English, marke dos para Espanol” messages, I feel certain that they seethe at the thought of a major religious institution catering to people whose 1st language is Spanish.
PJ
@Amir Khalid: Ha! Jen Rubin wrote one of those right before the election last week. Never Trumpers and far lefties are going to be beating the “time for Joe to retire” drum for the next two years. Fear of Democratic control of the White House and Congress far outweighs fear of Trump for them (and, of course, they would love to have “serious Republicans” in charge.)
OzarkHillbilly
@Suzanne: Here’s a fun fact: The children in my family were evenly divided, 3 boys and 3 girls (I had a little brother who died soon after birth too). The 3 girls all went to college and graduated with varying degrees. None of the boys did*. We just weren’t suited for it I guess.
* i dabbled in some community college classes over the years but could never stay focused long enough to get anywhere with it.
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
@Suzanne: My daughter’s marriage has been interesting because she married a guy from an Itainian/Polish/Irish Catholic family. He was raised kind of middle of the road Northeast Catholic, kinda like me, church most Sundays, not super religious. My daughter however was raised in an atheist household, and while I encouraged her to go to different worship services with her friends and other family members, she chose to be an atheist.
The conversations with his parents were shall we say, interesting. They have gotten more interesting since the baby was born.
Suzanne
@Citizen Alan: Yeah, I think that’s definitely part of it. When I was in AZ, there was also certainly a class aspect.
PJ
@different-church-lady: A lot of journalists prefer that Republicans win. For some of them, it is because hatred and chaos and destruction of the economy, foreign relations, and individual lives makes for more clicks and boosts their personal brand; for others, it’s because Democratic successes put off the Imminent Socialist Revolution; and for a whole lot of them, it’s because they are Republicans themselves.
Citizen Alan
@UncleEbeneezer: Well yeah. The whole point of the moral majority was use abortion, anti-feminism and homophobia to to peel off conservative Catholics out of the democratic coalition and seduce them into Republican politics. . Which means Evangelicals aren’t going to turn on conservative catholics until sometime after Brown versus board of education is overturned.
JPL
Truthfully, I’m all for Joe not running, as long as we can nominate someone who can accomplish as much as he has. hmmm I don’t see that happening, so I guess I’m with Joe.
Suzanne
@OzarkHillbilly: Y’all know that I lurk at a number of social conservative places to keep eyes on the enemy. One of the overriding themes I have seen, over and over again for the last few years, is that they are terrified that men without college degrees are finding it increasingly difficult to form and maintain families.
Hence Ross Douthat saying, “Worth noting that in the 50 yrs since Roe, men have become less likely to find a spouse, less likely father kids or live with the kids they father, and less likely to participate in the workforce.”
Reversing Roe is all about this for them, restoring men, especially tradmen (Catholic and Protestant), to the top of the social heap.
Jackie
Trump is making a list, checking it twice, gonna find out who’s naughty or nice…
“Trump is trying to secure a big turnout for his anticipated announcement at his Mar-a-Lago Club in Florida Tuesday night, and members of Congress, RNC members, longtime allies and others have received invitations. The desire is to draw a big crowd to show political strength, and Trump is taking note of who is coming and who isn’t, a top adviser said.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/13/trump-republicans-rivals-2024/
Citizen Alan
@PJ: Honestly, the idea that we have a liberal media in this country is just preposterous when you consider that 95% of all media outlets across all platforms are owned either by large corporations or a single very wealthy family. It doesn’t matter what your personal beliefs might be on any issue of political concern so long as the guy who is writing your check is a conservative oligarch.
Honus
@Geminid: That was the point I was trying to make, however inarticulately. Thanks for putting it coherently.
also, thanks for the Bitecofer cite. She is reliably insightful, and should be on a major media platform.
eclare
@JPL: You scared me for a minute!
different-church-lady
@Geminid:
But they already hang out at Starbucks.
Mimi haha
@Baud: I roll my eyes at Owens. You only know he’s a meanspirited asshole because you’re met him? I doubt I’ve been within 10 miles of Trump* but I figured that out from way over here.
*He owns a building downtown. I don’t know if he’s ever been there. It’s a nice building except for this weirdo thing that looks like a rather fat flagpole on the top. And his name. OTOH, lots of homeless people have made money taking pictures of people giving the sign the finger.
Citizen Alan
@Suzanne:
We’ll boohoo for them. I’m 53, and a few things piss me off as much as the idea that the country should be run mainly for the benefit of the same assholes who would slam me into a locker when I was in the 6th grade because “reading is for fags.”
Honus
@Suzanne: precisely. “Christians” pretty much espouse the opposite of Christian morality. Jesus expressly said to pay your taxes, but away your personal defense weapon, and not to cast the first stone at sexually active women. His first miracle was making wine for a party where everyone was having a good time and they were running out. He also famously said inordinately loving one’s family was an impediment to fully following his teachings.
Suzanne
@Citizen Alan: Agreed. 100%.
Another Scott
@Brachiator: It’s a stupid framing anyway,
Most people don’t vote issues in the general election, and the exit polls tell them that.
There was a CNN exit poll pointed to in a tweet in a thread a few days ago. 74% of senate voters surveyed in PA said that party control of the Senate was “very important” in their choice. 17% said “somewhat important”. So 91% of voters thought it was important. Maybe they voted based on that, like they said?? Maybe “inflation” or any other “issue” that they want to pidgeon-hole people into is important, but maybe not determinative? And maybe the bigger picture matters more to the surveyed voters??!!1
In other news, party control of the legislature was the most important factor in the voters’ minds. There’s little else to say. Now, … Sports!!1
said no newsreader, ever.
(sigh)
Cheers,
Scott.
Geminid
@Honus: Rachel Bitecofer seems to pop up some on Jonathan Capehart’s MSNBC show. She guests on some podcast shows.
She’s been busy freelancing in the political/industrial complex. An Arizona consulting group hired her as a consultant and she may have had a hand in Secretary of State candidate Adrian Fontes’ successful campaign.
Bitecofer and son left Virginia and moved back to Oregon this spring. They’re living in Eugene and she tweets selfies from Ducks football games. She seems happy.
Kay
@EmbraceYourInnerCrone:
Also- do none of these people live in the real world? What’s always one of the biggest issues with public school sports? Belief, accusations or rumors of bias against certain kids. Playing time, positions, etc.
The parents are watching this clown do his big ostentatious religious show and the non believers among them are thinking “the religious kids (or the ambitious kids who are willing to play along) get an advantage”.
Kay
Maggie Haberman
@maggieNYT
12m
Stefanik, by contrast, who is endorsing Trump loudly and often, is playing for something different than what Banks is – namely, positioning as a possible VP candidate
For the record I think this entire media-driven narrative is bullshit.
Some of the Republican leadership will stick with Trump and some will go with an alternative but it has absolutely nothing to do with what they believe or what they want.
It’s a cynical attempt to hold the base together. Stefanik’s role in this fake drama is to be a Trump supporter. Safe for her because NY was so Trumpy this cycle. Other Republicans will play “DeSantis” or “Rubio” roles and the NY Times political team will cynically report on all this drama as if it’s real.
Honus
@OzarkHillbilly: I grew up in a Catholic family, German Catholics on one side, Lebanese on the other. There were six of us, I have four sisters and one brother. All of us graduated college, four of us have post graduate degrees. Neither of our parents went to college.
fun fact: in Titusville PA where my grandfather grew up there were two Catholic churches: St. Titus for the Irish and St. Warburg for the Germans.
WaterGirl
@Baud:
What do you mean by that?
Baud
@WaterGirl:
They can move on knowing the Senate will confirm their replacement.
Kay
Thinks of the opportunities for profit as the Right wing grifters play-act a “fight” between DeSantis and Trump!
They’re trying to get rid of Trump without losing his base so some of them will be assigned “loyal Trump” roles and some of them will be assigned “moving on” roles but no role will EVER go against their actual voting base. Stepanik’s is Trumpy so she plays Trumpist. Less Trumpy pols will be permitted to back DeSantis.
WaterGirl
@Kay:
Might you have a link to video of that?
piratedan
I’m just kind of wondering is the attempted Senate GOP coup is based more on Rick Scott trying to provide himself cover from possibly embezzling from the GOP election coffers, than any real differences with Mitch McConnell. I seem to remember that there was a financial dust up about the GOP being broke while Scott was on his yacht and now that we’re in the audit/autopsy stage, questions may be asked and kicking McConnell to the curb may just be a mechanism to cover that financial situation.
Miss Bianca
@Kay:
The Ferengi would be proud…*smirk*.
Kay
@WaterGirl:
Kaivan Shroff
@KaivanShroff WATCH: Amy Coney Barrett cracking jokes about pro-choice protestors at a private Federalist Society event, meanwhile she plays victim in the press when Americans exercise this fundamental right.
The last time she appeared at a Republican event she whined that she would “persuade” people that she is not a hack. Oh, bullshit. She’s a hack with a lifetime appointment and she doesn’t care who knows it.
Why do they continue to attend these GOP events? I mean, CHOOSE. Either behave like hacks and stop whining that we know you’re hacks or change your behavior.
Geminid
@piratedan: Scott better watch out. McConnell could be a bad enemy.
My Atlanta friend tells me that it looks like Katie Hobbs will win over that creepy Kari Lake. If so, congratulations on your new Democratic Governor!
Turgidson
@different-church-lady: Stancil’s undying and idiotic hatred for everything Pelosi and constant “why aren’t Dems doing it exactly how I want them to???” bleating, even when the Dem strategy worked well, became too much for me and he went on mute on my feed. But he’s right about this.
Kay
Also, Republicans didn’t put any money into state election official races.
They know two things- 1. Democrats will run fair elections so they dont need to worry and 2. the Trumpist election deniers are poison to the Party.
They’re attempting to unhook from the giant unpopular douchebag who has now lost them two cycles in a row. Our job will be to continue to hang him around their necks.
Baud
@Geminid:
Sweet.
Baud
@Kay:
Trump will probably make that easy.
cain
@Scout211:
It’s all old white males. The fact they would pivot to the economy something that is as capricious as the weather to losing your bodily autonomy that women have fought many lifetimes to win.. just astounding.
Kay
It’s as if Obama beat the then-unpopular George W Bush and Bush hung around dragging the Party down for an entire two years. Except it’s WORSE because Trump didn’t even survive a re-elect. He’s a ONE termer. Rejected after 4 years. Almost no one is disliked that much.
I know he’s horrible to listen to and bad for the country but he’s really a political gift to Democrats.
Baud
@Kay:
I wonder if Elon will let him back onto Twitter.
cain
@Suzanne:
We also don’t want performative white male christian nationalists.
Kay
@Baud:
He knows all the secrets on the Right. I can’t wait for him to start vindictively revealing them.
“I will not be IGNORED!” He’s a rabbit boiler.
James E Powell
@Geminid:
Probably not too happy today, though.
Baud
@Kay:
And any secrets he doesn’t know he’ll just make up.
Kay
@Baud:
I don’t think it matters because the NYTimes political team recite everything he writes on Truth Social on Twitter so we’re getting that benefit anyway.
James E Powell
@Kay:
She’s not a hack so much as she’s a fanatic member of a cult.
Jackie
@Baud: He’s already hinted he has *dirt* on DeSantis.
Warblewarble
tRUMP did not back bad candidates, he back bad human beings.
Bill Arnold
@Cacti:
It is reciprocated. (Not contempt for the churched; contempt for Alito is strong.)
I wonder if he truly understands that millions of Patriotic Americans loath him and his Christian Supremacist ways.
Baud
@Jackie:
Dems should start running ads saying Trump is too extreme for America. The media will go bezerk.
Baud
@Bill Arnold:
He don’t care.
Kay
@James E Powell:
I thought her anti-abortion line of questioning was bizzare and incredibly disrespectful to birth mothers, something an adoptive parent like her would ordinarily be sensitive to.
Her point is the sluts can just leave the baby at the fire station and a Good Christian will adopt baby soooo win/win? Jesus. That’s OUT THERE. Its one step removed from Handmaids Tale.
Bill Arnold
@Baud:
He sort of does, though. He whines in public about being called a partisan hack. And he surely realizes that much of this is due to his utter disdain for the establishment clause.
(Anyway, if I ever encounter the man in a meat-space, I will call him a loathsome partisan hack at full volume, loud enough to hear 100 meters away. )
Ruckus
@OzarkHillbilly:
Late to the party…
The “leaders” of the rethuglican party are the wealthy people who make their money the old fashioned way, they pay a lower tax rate than most working people, and because they make money by investing and/or lying, in print and on one particular network, they have garnered a segment of the population that will vote for their chosen political “leaders,” enabling them to continue to rob this country for their own benefit. They own an entire network and numerous newspapers and they spread their woe is me bullshit across the country. They reflect on how great the country was when we took away all your rights, (so that they could steal all the money). SFB is the epitome of their concept of life, which is, give us all the money and power and we will throw a few crumbs your way – when we feel like it. There has always been a segment of humanity that does this. Here it’s the very conservative money grubbers. In Russia it’s the premier(or whatever the hell they call him) who starts wars so he can steal countries rather than make his actually work. Take away faux not news and this country could actually be what it is supposed to be, a country of the people, by the people, for the people.
Soprano2
@Scout211: They discount “women’s issues” all the time. They still think most people vote like straight white men, and cover things accordingly.
West of the Rockies
@Cacti:
Remember Guilfoyle shrieking, “The best is yet to come!” (to an empty room)? Even Owens would have done better.
Jackie
@Baud: There’s certainly a wealth of Trump quotes and actions to back that up. His repub competition could also make those ads.
PBK
@WaterGirl:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/amy-coney-barrett-cracks-joke-193902171.html
The Lodger
@Honus: Town motto: “Without U this is Titsville.”
Another Scott
@WaterGirl: I haven’t found the link, but the whole 3-day convention and all the videos are here.
I watched a few minutes of the first one. The FedSoc head is making jokes about how great they are at being a non-profit, and how important their donors are, and how he thinks their next 10 years will be more successful than their previous 40.
I’d like us to make sure that that doesn’t happen.
Oh, and attendees have to scan the QR code every day or they won’t get the 16.5 hours of Continuing Education credits.
Grr…,
Scott.
West of the Rockies
@Citizen Alan:
Well said!
JPL
@Kay: I wonder if Putin shared secrets with him. Lindsay remains close to him. After his Jan. 6th statement, Lindsay quickly changed his tune. The Senate is his life, and he doesn’t want to lose that seat.
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
@Kay: exactly! I don’t understand how the coach thought this was a good idea. And even if he gets his job back. He’s likely the be ostracized by coworkers for getting the school dragged the courts.
WaterGirl
@Jackie: He is such a fucking pig.
Ruckus
@Suzanne:
You don’t have just think widdle teddie is a weak piece of shit, he’s proven it time and time again – he is a weak piece of shit.
WaterGirl
@Baud: Oh, that makes sense. I had never thought about that.
WaterGirl
@Kay: Thank you.
It’s shameful that she is on the SC.
WaterGirl
@Geminid: Atlanta? I hear Atlanta and I think GA.
WaterGirl
@PBK: Thank you!
Geminid
@James E Powell: Bitecofer was bummed out about the loss and the quarterback getting hurt. But she seems happy in her work so she’ll bounce back I expect. And she’s happy to be back in Oregon. She left 12 years ago to go to graduate school at the University of Georgia, and lived in Tidewater Virginia after that.
WaterGirl
@Another Scott: Thank you. I don’t think I could bear to go through all of that, and a couple of folks found the short clip of her cracking the “joke”. haha
Ruckus
@bbleh:
(it was suggested he would secretly take orders from the Pope)
It was worse.
It was said he would do this openly.
Ruckus
@Kay:
10000% this.
Geminid
@WaterGirl: Yes, my friend lives in Atlanta, Georgia. A very old and good friend.
Warren always voted and voted Democrat, but he studiously avoided politics until 2016. He was a big fan of Ms. Clinton and was shocked when she lost. He’s been obsessed with Trump and his minions ever since.
WaterGirl
@Geminid: I guess it never occurred to me that someone from GA would have the inside scoop on the AZ election!
Ruckus
@different-church-lady:
Many people who live in smaller towns seemingly want everyone to follow a set life, in my minds eye to prove that the choices they made/make are correct. They want reenforcement of their decisions. These are often conservative people, who want everyone to make the same decisions because they are afraid of, well basically life, and getting it wrong. They need that reenforcement on a regular basis. They never see the real/bigger picture, they depend on the group and often their church. The actual story isn’t as important as the reenforcement that they made the correct choice. I call these people followers. They have to have a path to follow, to see where they are going, what is going to happen to them in an unknown/unknowable world. The are conservative, trying to conserve a story that they have been told, that has been told for very long time, that there is someone/something that actually knows what is happening and is their guiding vision. We look at political conservatism/liberalism as 2 sides of the same coin, they only see that first side of the coin. They know that every coin toss is going to be heads. The head side of the coin is control – knowledge. The tail side is everything else – the unknown. But of course life isn’t a coin toss, tomorrow is always an unknown, no matter how much one tries to control it.
Geminid
@WaterGirl: He’s kind of obsessive, gets news pushes from different sources and looks stuff up if he’s interested. He thinks Lake is particularly dangerous.
dnfree
@UncleEbeneezer: It was sure a thing in the 1950s and 1960s (cf JFK). In my Methodist church youth meetings, we were told not to date or marry a Catholic because if you did your children would become Catholics and the pope would run your life.
dnfree
@Cacti: I had a college roommate, oldest of six kids, who said she didn’t plan to have children because she’d already put in her time as a parent. I wonder if she stuck to that.
Geoduck
@Kay: It’s real at least to a point. The Shiatgibbon and DeSantis probably hate each other personally. You know that Moscow Mitch would cheerfully strangle the former man to death with his bare hands if he could get away with it.
And right now Catholicism isn’t a big deal, but if the MAGA loons ever get in full control, it will go right back on the chopping block. (Along with Mormonism, and to their credit, the Mormons mostly appear to be well aware of this.)
sab
@Geoduck: Stakeburning also?
eachother
No one will ever see this. Maybe.
Maybe because the Senate is in Blue? There is relief and willingness to say some things. Perhaps?
I have never enjoyed comments so much as here today. Knowing if there was a recommend to click on, my click thing would be worn from click thinging.
WaterGirl
@Geminid:
He is certainly right about that!
WaterGirl
@eachother: I saw it!
Ramona Rosario
@Baud: I clicked through to the article and read that Candace Owens’ disagreement with Trump was over the COVID19 vaccine which the latter advocates. This is one of the few things about which I can agree with Trump. The other is Ron DeSanctimonious.
PBK
@eachother: I would click on this if there was a click thing 😉
artem1s
@Kay:
In 2020 the media also overlooked the female GOP convention speakers who stood up and advocated for one-vote per household. The GQP is clearly not interest in retaining the White women voters they captured in 2016.
Between trying to kill off granny and then advocating for her to lose her vote to her younger male relative (sorry she lost grandpa to fake COVID) who was actively rooting for her to die, it’s almost as if they hate their women voters as much as they hated Hillary. Whocouldanode.