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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Fingers Crossed for Katie Hobbs, Possibly Good News Tonight?

Fingers Crossed for Katie Hobbs, Possibly Good News Tonight?

by WaterGirl|  November 14, 20227:37 pm| 259 Comments

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This evening we should be seeing the rest of the ballots from Maricopa.

From the Washington Post late this afternoon.  Let us savor.

Lawyers, political operatives and other people around the Republican nominee worked over the weekend from a “war room” inside a Scottsdale resort to prepare her for what they expect to be a stinging loss to Democrat Katie Hobbs, according to people familiar with the discussions, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share private details.

With about 160,000 votes left to be counted, Lake trailed Hobbs on Monday by 26,000 votes. Recent tallies have not been as favorable to the Republican as Lake would need to close the gap. She may even be slipping out of the range that would trigger a recount, which occurs when no more than 0.5 percent of the vote separates the candidates.

Within Lake’s war room, where the mood has shifted in the past week from giddy anticipation to grim resignation, discussions have centered on how Lake should speak about a loss. Among those who have made appearances are some of the biggest names in Trump’s orbit, including Stephen K. Bannon and Christina Bobb, a former One America News anchor who aided a review of 2.1 million ballots in Maricopa County after the 2020 election. Trump himself called in on Sunday.

Additional results from Maricopa County were expected to post late Monday. People in the GOP war room expect those results to cut into Hobbs’s lead, but probably not by enough to change the trajectory of the contest.

The subdued mood in the war room, where those gathered in recent days downed coffee and ate pizza and sandwiches, marks a reversal from days earlier. The day after voting ended, Lake was holed up in meetings about a potential transition into the governor’s office — examining resumes and talking with business leaders and GOP hands about spots on her team.

Now, the mood inside a large conference room filled with televisions and strewn coffee cups has shifted from elation to a mix of anger and resignation that Hobbs may be on her way to flipping the governorship blue after more than a decade of Republican control.

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  1. 1.

    Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.)

    November 14, 2022 at 7:39 pm

    Thank God. It would be great to drive a stake through her political career early.

  2. 2.

    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 7:41 pm

    🤞

  3. 3.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 7:42 pm

    @Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.):

    Kari Lake doesn’t seem entirely human, so I was sure you were going to say stake through her heart.

  4. 4.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 7:43 pm

    My favorite part above:

    Now, the mood inside a large conference room filled with televisions and strewn coffee cups has shifted from elation to a mix of anger and resignation that Hobbs may be on her way to flipping the governorship blue after more than a decade of Republican control.

  5. 5.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 7:44 pm

    Who’s the expert on AZ like Jon Ralston is for NV?

  6. 6.

    Marmot

    November 14, 2022 at 7:45 pm

    Now, the mood inside a large conference room filled with televisions and strewn coffee cups has shifted from elation to a mix of anger and resignation that Hobbs may be on her way to flipping the governorship blue after more than a decade of Republican control.

    The haunted clown toilet of angry-sad! That’s how Sadly, No described some righty blog after a big loss. How I miss them.

  7. 7.

    Poe Larity

    November 14, 2022 at 7:46 pm

    I was looking for a reason to head down the corner and get some bourbon. I must go savor.

  8. 8.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 7:46 pm

    @Marmot: Isn’t Sadly No where Betty Cracker came from?

    Never mind, wrong again!

    edit: Betty came here from Rumproast.

  9. 9.

    Marmot

    November 14, 2022 at 7:48 pm

    @WaterGirl: Wha—! I … Wha—!?

    Edit: This is the first I’m hearing of it.

  10. 10.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 7:49 pm

    @Marmot: Hmm, sounds like I am wrong about that!

  11. 11.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 7:49 pm

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer Crazy.

    I admit, though, I’m still a little amazed by how little of their usual whining about “fraud” — and people from inner-city Philadelphia being bused to Phoenix to cast ballots, and Italian satellites and Chinese thermostats, and whatever else enters their badly cracked pots — has made it into the mainstream.  Is it some kind of attack of sensibility among MSM editors at large? Are the public just over it — it’s VERY last season after all — and there’s no market for it?  Is it merely a shift in the malign influence of Murdoch, Demon Lord of the MAGAzoid underworld?

    Anyway, happy to see it.  Or rather, NOT see it.

  12. 12.

    The Moar You Know

    November 14, 2022 at 7:49 pm

    Among those who have made appearances are some of the biggest names in Trump’s orbit, including Stephen K. Bannon and Christina Bobb, a former One America News anchor who aided a review of 2.1 million ballots in Maricopa County after the 2020 election. Trump himself called in on Sunday.

    oh.  She will probably declare the opening of the Second Civil War with that crowd advising her.  I expect nothing like a concession.

  13. 13.

    trollhattan

    November 14, 2022 at 7:50 pm

    @WaterGirl: There is a Stepford, Arizona, even if Google does not recognize that fact. The Lake Series may be queued up for a firmware revision following this failure.

  14. 14.

    Mike in Pasadena

    November 14, 2022 at 7:50 pm

    I watched the Blake Masters commercial posted on another thread with awe. A grown man outside Tucson in a t-shirt he slept in goes shooting with a Walther PPK sporting an improperly attached noise suppressor (which he calls a silencer) and pops off .22 caliber shells. He has very little to say about why he wants to be a senator, what he aims to do in office, or bills he plans to sponsor. He strokes his “made in Germany” weapon like a teenager stroking whatever to pleasure himself. I thought I’d seen the lows of gun fetishism with the creepy Christmas cards showing every member of the family sporting automatic rifles, but this guy gave new meaning to Creepy. Wow.

  15. 15.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 7:52 pm

    @bbleh: The article talked about that.  Kari Lake is still trying to decide whether to follow the advice of her advisors (redundant!) or whether to cry foul and refuse to concede.

    Apparently it’s quite the dilemma because election deniers are losing, so they can’t go with their new favorite “I was robbed!”

  16. 16.

    Amir Khalid

    November 14, 2022 at 7:52 pm

    Kari Lake’s Schade brings me so much Freude.

    (And that, my friends, is the right way to split the compound noun Schadenfreude.)

  17. 17.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 7:53 pm

    @The Moar You Know: I know, the election deniers greatest hits!

  18. 18.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 7:53 pm

    @WaterGirl: There is that kind of preternaturally soft-focus look she has, along with the weirdly large and moist eyes, and the encyclopedic yet kinda robotic command of RWNJ catch-phrases and conspiracy theories.

    And I admit, I’ve never seen her in person.  Maybe she IS just an on-screen avatar, some combination of deepfake, scripting, and AI.  The first Virtual Candidate.

  19. 19.

    The Moar You Know

    November 14, 2022 at 7:53 pm

    @bbleh: it’s a combo.  The MSM isn’t reporting on what of it there is, and ever since people fucked around and now are sitting in for-real prison finding out, it seems to have lost its appeal.

  20. 20.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 7:54 pm

    @trollhattan:

    :: shudder ::

    Kari Lake is so fucking creepy.  That’s what I really wanted to title this post!

  21. 21.

    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 7:54 pm

    I hope Hobbs wins because she’s one of the Dem candidates whose campaign people were complaining about.

  22. 22.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 7:55 pm

    @WaterGirl: Lol yeah, I especially liked the part about “DC Republicans are frantically whispering ‘shuddup shuddup shuddup dammit shuddup!’ into every available ear.” (Ok I’m paraphrasing.)  But it’s exactly that phenomenon I’m referring to.  For whatever reason, Crazy is not just Out but Way Out right now.

  23. 23.

    HumboldtBlue

    November 14, 2022 at 7:56 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Betty came here from a blog named Rumproast, that’s where I first met her and Steve M.

  24. 24.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 7:56 pm

    @bbleh: I have to say, she seems to be showing more of her true self in this photo, which shows her as a very unattractive person on the inside.

    Fingers Crossed for Katie Hobbs, Possibly Good News Tonight?

    It’s almost like you can see through the nearly human exterior to an ugly soul that most definitely needs a firmware revision.

  25. 25.

    zhena gogolia

    November 14, 2022 at 7:57 pm

    @bbleh: Cecily Strong captured her on SNL

  26. 26.

    Ken

    November 14, 2022 at 7:58 pm

    @bbleh: There is that kind of preternaturally soft-focus look she has

    Others have noted this. I was reminded of Neil Gaiman’s American Gods, where the “new god” Media is described in almost those terms.

  27. 27.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 7:58 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: Yes!  Thanks for the correction.

  28. 28.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:01 pm

    Well, I pulled out the rest of the kettle corn I had purchased as my designated election night stress eating indulgence.

    I tried to wait for an announcement, but I cheated and ate some a few minutes ago.  Now that we are hopefully close (wish) to an announcement, I couldn’t help myself.

  29. 29.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:03 pm

    @Baud: Way to keep your eye on what’s really important. :-)

  30. 30.

    Ken

    November 14, 2022 at 8:03 pm

    @WaterGirl: YOU HAVE OFFENDED THE KETTLE CORN GODS AND NOW HOBBS WILL LOSE THE ELECTION.

  31. 31.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:04 pm

    @Ken: I have never forced myself to throw up, but I can take one for the team if you think the gods would forgive me if I did.

  32. 32.

    leeleeFL

    November 14, 2022 at 8:04 pm

    @Baud: Not debating Lake was a gamble.  But, it seems she was correct in not giving that robot a forum for her RWNJ BS!  HOODATHUNK?

  33. 33.

    Redshift

    November 14, 2022 at 8:04 pm

    @WaterGirl: I’m getting a real Tammy Faye Baker vibe…

  34. 34.

    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 8:06 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Nothing’s more important than being able to talk smack to your haters.

  35. 35.

    Jackie

    November 14, 2022 at 8:06 pm

    I’m keeping my fingers crossed for a final result tonight, but I heard the vote counts from Maricopa County expected to be released tonight are from Nov 8 dropped off ballots  – which are assumed to be more Republican. Hobbs lead might even shrink some – but Lake will need about 60% of the votes to have a shot. Not likely to happen, but it may be another day or two before Hobbs gets the ✅ next to her name.

  36. 36.

    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 8:07 pm

    @leeleeFL:

    Well never really know what would have happened if Hobbs had debated. She might have won by more! As long as she pulls it out, it’s all good.

  37. 37.

    Scout211

    November 14, 2022 at 8:08 pm

    McCarthy is doing some lobbying with the Republican crazy caucus.  Link

    House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy promised Monday that he would kick key Democrats off committees if his party gains control of the lower chamber.
     
    McCarthy said that he would remove Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar from the House Foreign Affairs Committee and Democratic Reps. Eric Swalwell and Adam Schiff from the House Intelligence Committee, according to a source in the room during a Republican conference leadership forum.

  38. 38.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:08 pm

    @Redshift: As in you can’t see the face beneath the makeup?

  39. 39.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:09 pm

    @Jackie: Gosh I hope not.  Especially since I ate some of my kettle corn!

  40. 40.

    Brent

    November 14, 2022 at 8:10 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Garrett Archer

    https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer

  41. 41.

    Mathguy

    November 14, 2022 at 8:10 pm

    If they drive a stake through that certifiable nightmare’s campaign tonight….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

  42. 42.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:11 pm

    @Scout211: Of course “payback” is the first concern when you think you will have the awesome responsibility to make things better for the American people.

    These Rs are disgusting.

  43. 43.

    Geminid

    November 14, 2022 at 8:11 pm

    @WaterGirl: Maybe you could just throw up in your mouth a little. The Kettlecorn Gods are easygoing deities.

  44. 44.

    NotMax

    November 14, 2022 at 8:12 pm

    Stupidest thing yet seen this week.

    Steve Jobs’ Birkenstock Arizona sandals were sold for $218,750, Julien’s Auctions announced –– the highest price ever paid for a pair of sandals at an auction. The buyer was not disclosed.

    The anticipated selling price for the two-strap brown suede pair of sandals was $60,000. However, the final sale with an accompanying NFT was more than $200,000. Source

    That’s a hair over $20,000 per toe.

  45. 45.

    Ken

    November 14, 2022 at 8:13 pm

    @WaterGirl: All part of fighting inflation, you know. Or maybe this is to keep woke corporations from filling kitty litterboxes with rainbow fentanyl.

  46. 46.

    Poe Larity

    November 14, 2022 at 8:13 pm

    @WaterGirl: Is she related to Tammy Faye?

  47. 47.

    dm

    November 14, 2022 at 8:13 pm

     

    Where does “Let us savor” come from? My declining neurons suggest Peggy Noonan, but if so, what was she talking about?

    If you google the phrase (on DuckDuckGo, at least) the third link that shows up is a 2018 Betty Cracker post featuring a father ripping an ACA repealer for attacking his family’s financial security (who, at the time of Betty’s post had just gone down to a surprise defeat), that was well worth revisiting.

  48. 48.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 8:13 pm

    @Scout211: @WaterGirl:  truly a distinguished beginning to a Speakership.

  49. 49.

    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 8:14 pm

    @NotMax:

    accompanying NFT

     
    So the sandals really went for about $45.

  50. 50.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 8:14 pm

    So apparently 4 AZ counties — but not yet Maricopa — have just dropped results?  Or so CNN implies a/o 8:10 ET.

    Aaaand, oooo, not so good for Crazi Kari.  Wrong direction…

  51. 51.

    The Golux

    November 14, 2022 at 8:16 pm

    @NotMax:

    I have two pairs of Birkenstocks.  I’ll let the more beat-up pair go for $20,000.

  52. 52.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:17 pm

    MazeDancer’s postcard designs are up!

    Fingers Crossed for Katie Hobbs, Possibly Good News Tonight? 9

  53. 53.

    NotMax

    November 14, 2022 at 8:18 pm

    All the best to you, Tony. You done good.

    Dr. Anthony Fauci knew he was being turned into a villain of the far-right early on in the coronavirus pandemic, when President Donald Trump’s administration stopped defending him.
    [snip]
    “White House staff — even the communications staff — actually did things like opposition research on me,” he said, “and no pushback on the part of the White House. That’s when I knew that was a signal to the outside world that it was open season to attack me. And then I knew that I had become the boogeyman of the far, extreme right.”

    Now, Fauci’s career in government is coming to an end — but his work on the pandemic that defined his career will continue. Source

  54. 54.

    zhena gogolia

    November 14, 2022 at 8:18 pm

    @Ken: like my ex sister-in-law who opened the champagne before the ball went through Buckner’s legs

  55. 55.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:18 pm

    Fingers Crossed for Katie Hobbs, Possibly Good News Tonight? 8

  56. 56.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:18 pm

    Fingers Crossed for Katie Hobbs, Possibly Good News Tonight? 7

  57. 57.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:18 pm

    Fingers Crossed for Katie Hobbs, Possibly Good News Tonight? 6

  58. 58.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:18 pm

    Fingers Crossed for Katie Hobbs, Possibly Good News Tonight? 5

  59. 59.

    Redshift

    November 14, 2022 at 8:19 pm

    @WaterGirl: Ah, that might be it!

  60. 60.

    Fake Irishman

    November 14, 2022 at 8:19 pm

    @bbleh:

    Looks like one was Pima, which is the second largest county and a Dem stronghold. Hobbs up by about 30,000.

    Also, keep an eye on that state AG race. It’s going to go right down to the wire. Winning that is almost as big as the governorship.

  61. 61.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:21 pm

    PSA: Postcard writing party & music thread #4 is tomorrow night – Tuesday at 8pm Eastern.  Come join us to write postcards, share music, and cheer the writers on.

  62. 62.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 8:21 pm

    @WaterGirl: perhaps … there isn’t one!  😱

  63. 63.

    trollhattan

    November 14, 2022 at 8:21 pm

    @WaterGirl: I see the love child of Cokie Roberts and Lindsay Graham.

    Sorry, really sorry. But there it is.

  64. 64.

    Amir Khalid

    November 14, 2022 at 8:22 pm

    @NotMax:

    $218,750? For used sandals? Are they going to be displayed in a glass case like some kind of sacred relic?

  65. 65.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:22 pm

    @Geminid: I just coughed three times, that ought to do it, no?

    edit: It was just the dregs of the first bag.  I DID NOT OPEN THE NEW BAG, so maybe I’m okay?  If you squint a little?

  66. 66.

    Fake Irishman

    November 14, 2022 at 8:22 pm

    @Brent:

    He’s got his own catchphrase too.

    ”Maricopa incoming”

  67. 67.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 8:23 pm

    @NotMax: Tony Fauci is an inspiration, a true mensch.  I hope a million kids thinking idly about being doctors or scientists looked at him and thought “hell yeah!”

  68. 68.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:24 pm

    @dm: It is related to Peggy Noonan, but I don’t recall the details, either.  I wonder if it’s in Anne Laurie’s LEXICON?

  69. 69.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:26 pm

    @bbleh: Who is the Jon Ralston of AZ?

  70. 70.

    MazeDancer

    November 14, 2022 at 8:26 pm

    You can download the PostCards, plus others, here.

    Have new addresses fresh from the State of Georgia, who won’t identify party, but will race. And gender. So, we’re going with all Black Women from now on. Power to the People, right on!

  71. 71.

    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 8:26 pm

    @dm:

    I believe Noonan was gleeful that Obama was the face of the party after his 2004 DNC speech.

  72. 72.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:28 pm

    @bbleh: I’m just going from memory, but I looked at this page a little while ago, and I think the numbers were 50.5% and 49.5% then.

    30,000 seems like a pretty good lead?

    Fingers Crossed for Katie Hobbs, Possibly Good News Tonight? 2

  73. 73.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:30 pm

    @Fake Irishman: Yeah, I checked on the AG race just before I put up this post, and they didn’t say anything about more ballots or anything.

    Fingers crossed for Kris Mayes, too.

  74. 74.

    japa21

    November 14, 2022 at 8:30 pm

    @WaterGirl: ​
      It does look good. Lake needs 60-65% of remaining vote. However, looks like the Dem is not going to win AZ 1. Latest drop put him behind.

  75. 75.

    different-church-lady

    November 14, 2022 at 8:30 pm

    @bbleh: I need a fix… I mean, link, I need a link…

  76. 76.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:31 pm

    @bbleh: Spooky!  And creepy!

  77. 77.

    Brent

    November 14, 2022 at 8:31 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I noted above.  Its Garret Archer

    https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer

  78. 78.

    Sparkedcat

    November 14, 2022 at 8:31 pm

    @Marmot: There was an epic thread on Sadly, No! dealing with Sarah Palin that had me convulsing with laughter.

  79. 79.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 14, 2022 at 8:31 pm

    @Baud:

    So Much to Savor
    — The Wall Street Journal: November 4, 2004 

    God bless our country.

    Hello, old friends. Let us savor.

    Let us get our heads around the size and scope of what happened Tuesday. George W. Bush, 43rd president of the United States, became the first incumbent president to increase his majority in both the Senate and the House and to increase his own vote (by over 3.5 million) since Franklin D. Roosevelt, political genius of the 20th century, in 1936. This is huge.

    George W. Bush is the first president to win more than 50% of the popular vote since 1988. (Bill Clinton failed to twice; Mr. Bush failed to last time and fell short of a plurality by half a million.) The president received more than 59 million votes, breaking Ronald Reagan’s old record of 54.5 million. Mr. Bush increased his personal percentages in almost every state in the union. He carried the Catholic vote and won 42% of the Hispanic vote and 24% of the Jewish vote (up from 19% in 2000.)

    It will be hard for the mainstream media to continue, in the face of these facts, the mantra that we are a deeply and completely divided country. But they’ll try!

    The Democrats have lost their leader in the Senate, Tom Daschle. I do not know what the Democratic Party spent, in toto, on the 2004 election, but what they seem to have gotten for it is Barack Obama. Let us savor.

  80. 80.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 8:32 pm

    @WaterGirl: not the faintest idea.  But what pretty much all the MSM stories have been saying, and what it’s fairly easy to verify for oneself, is that for Lake to win, she must win remaining ballots by X%, and when X was 56 she was winning  around 52, and as X has slowly crept up to around/above 58, things ain’t lookin’ any better for her (quite the contrary).

    Personally, I’d expect the media to call it tonight.

  81. 81.

    Cameron

    November 14, 2022 at 8:32 pm

    @NotMax: Elon Musk will be announcing the sandals’ ascendence to the Twitter COO position later tonight.  Stay tuned.

  82. 82.

    japa21

    November 14, 2022 at 8:32 pm

    @WaterGirl: She’s up by about 15K with over 180K to be counted.  It will come down to the wire.

  83. 83.

    MazeDancer

    November 14, 2022 at 8:33 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    There is this guy @Garrett_Archer

    Who is on ABC in AZ.

    He had last night’s Maricopa numbers 3 minutes before everyone else.

  84. 84.

    Ken

    November 14, 2022 at 8:33 pm

    @Amir Khalid: No, the plan is to sell them to the next greater fool to come along.

  85. 85.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 8:35 pm

    @different-church-lady: well, CNN has this summary page, from which one can drill down to the details:

    https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/results/governor?admin1=04&election-data-id=2022-GG&selected-election-data-id=2022-GG-AZ&election-painting-mode=projection&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false

  86. 86.

    japa21

    November 14, 2022 at 8:35 pm

    Maricopa drops in 5 minutes.

  87. 87.

    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 8:35 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Those last two paragraphs belong in the pundit hall of fame.

  88. 88.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 8:36 pm

    @japa21: I’m using NBC below.  Cautiously optimistic …

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-elections/arizona-attorney-general-results

  89. 89.

    Scout211

    November 14, 2022 at 8:36 pm

    In CA-47, Katie Porter’s lead was decreased after today’s vote dump. She still is 2,891 ahead though, with 77% of the votes counted.

    I’m sure Martin will explain all of this in his California update.

  90. 90.

    Citizen Alan

    November 14, 2022 at 8:37 pm

    @WaterGirl:  Honestly, she looks like an early nineties female televangelist who time traveled to the year 2022 to spread the good news about Republican Jesu

  91. 91.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:38 pm

    @japa21: Dave Wasserman is saying the R won AZ-06 so the path to the House for us is “virtually non-existent”. I don’t know whether that’s correct or not.

  92. 92.

    Redshift

    November 14, 2022 at 8:38 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Of course “payback” is the first concern when you think you will have the awesome responsibility to make things better for the American people.

    His top concern is securing his own ass power, not what he’s going to do with it.

    Even if it weren’t for the policy differences (back when they actually cared about policy), I’d rather have our herd of cats than their bag of rats any day.

  93. 93.

    Jackie

    November 14, 2022 at 8:39 pm

    Every time I hear Lake ridiculing Hobbs by saying she was a basement campaigner – hinting she’s like Biden – I wish somebody within Lake’s hearing would ask “How’d that turn out for Joe?”

  94. 94.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:39 pm

    @Brent: Thanks, yeah I went to that link when Baud posted it but it looked like some crazy cartoonish site so I thought it was just one more in-joke that I didn’t get.

    I realized late what was what.

  95. 95.

    Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg

    November 14, 2022 at 8:39 pm

    @dm:

    Peggy Noonan, 2004. All that Team D created was the nonentity that was Barack Obama.

  96. 96.

    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 8:40 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I didn’t post any link.

  97. 97.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 8:40 pm

    @japa21: Maricopa Drops.  Add one dropper-full to a glass of cool water for long-lasting relaxation of nervous tension.

  98. 98.

    Mousebumples

    November 14, 2022 at 8:40 pm

    @WaterGirl: people who thought the GOP would win Senate seats can wait for the results to ALL come in with the rest of us before I’m listening to their prognosticating.

    It’ll be whatever it’ll be. He’ll be right (now) or wrong again. He’s been wrong on how some of these races have flipped after Election Day, so I’ve been ignoring him.

  99. 99.

    Scout211

    November 14, 2022 at 8:41 pm

    Here’s the Arizona SOS page

  100. 100.

    Betty

    November 14, 2022 at 8:41 pm

    Looks like Katie has done it.

  101. 101.

    japa21

    November 14, 2022 at 8:42 pm

    Lake didn’t get what she needed.

  102. 102.

    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 8:42 pm

    Yay!

  103. 103.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:43 pm

    @Citizen Alan: @Redshift:

    The more I see that photo, the more I think you are both right, Tammy Faye Baker / televangelist vibes for sure.

  104. 104.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 8:44 pm

    @Scout211: 1234506.  Now that is some kinda weird.

  105. 105.

    trollhattan

    November 14, 2022 at 8:44 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: It is well-established law that whenever quoting Peggy N-Martinis Before Lunch Noonan, this be included.

    I first saw President Reagan as a foot, highly polished brown cordovan wagging merrily on a hassock. I spied it through the door. It was a beautiful foot, sleek. Such casual elegance and clean lines! But not a big foot, not formidable, maybe a little …frail. I imagined cradling it in my arms, protecting it from unsmooth roads.

  106. 106.

    Mousebumples

    November 14, 2022 at 8:44 pm

    Speaking of the Speaker…

    Scott Wong (@scottwongDC) tweeted at 7:20 PM on Mon, Nov 14, 2022:
    SCOOP: @RepMTG’s worst fears could soon be coming true.

    DON BACON (R-Neb.) tells @NBCNews he’s willing to work with DEMS to elect a moderate Speaker if 218 Republicans can’t agree on a candidate. @RepDonBacon

    w/@KyleAlexStewart @jonallendc
    https://t.co/4HfSLEuW2X
    (https://twitter.com/scottwongDC/status/1592326686431121413?t=c_1SsDcIHyGlq-ZwCu3bWw&s=03)

    Non-MAGA Republicans want to get reelected in 2 years. Their districts are unlikely to enjoy seeing the Leopard-Eating-Faces-Party do nothing for 2 years.

    Could be very interesting.

  107. 107.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:44 pm

    @Baud: Sorry, I read Brantl and you!

  108. 108.

    Uncle Cosmo

    November 14, 2022 at 8:45 pm

    @WaterGirl: It’s almost like you can see through the nearly human exterior to an ugly soul that most definitely needs a firmware revision.

    Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes to the bone… (Heard this as a teenager, never found an attribution – but that’s OK because AFAICT neither has anyone else…)

  109. 109.

    Jackie

    November 14, 2022 at 8:46 pm

    Per Political Wire:

    Gov. Brian Kemp (R) “will testify Tuesday morning before the Fulton County special grand jury examining whether former President Donald Trump and his allies criminally meddled in Georgia’s 2020 elections,“ the Atlanta Journal Constitution reports.

  110. 110.

    japa21

    November 14, 2022 at 8:46 pm

    @Mousebumples: Wow.  That is big, specially if a couple others agree.  Of course, are there any moderate Republicans who can fill the post?

  111. 111.

    MazeDancer

    November 14, 2022 at 8:46 pm

    Happy days are here again!

    Yay, Katie!

  112. 112.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:46 pm

    @Scout211: Thanks for that.  But it doesn’t show anyone as declared a winner.  I guess because it’s not “official” until all the votes are counted?

  113. 113.

    James E Powell

    November 14, 2022 at 8:47 pm

    @bbleh:

    You say weird, others see FRAUD! RIGGED!

  114. 114.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:47 pm

    @Mousebumples: Wow, that gives me hope.

  115. 115.

    JoyceH

    November 14, 2022 at 8:48 pm

    Called!

  116. 116.

    Sister Golden Bear

    November 14, 2022 at 8:48 pm

    @Redshift: Except Tammy Faye Bakker became a gay icon after parting with “Praise The Lord” for her advocacy for LGBT persons and reaching out to HIV/AIDS patients at the height of the AIDS epidemic.

    I don’t see that happening with Lake, even with a firmware update.

  117. 117.

    Poe Larity

    November 14, 2022 at 8:48 pm

    @trollhattan: You mean Noonan started foot pr0n!?

  118. 118.

    Billcoop4

    November 14, 2022 at 8:48 pm

    MSNBC calls it for Hobbs.

     

    BC

  119. 119.

    trollhattan

    November 14, 2022 at 8:49 pm

    CA House summary posted at 5:16, sane time zone time.

    District 3 (areas east of Sacramento): Republican Kevin Kiley leads with 53% of the vote. Democrat Kermit Jones has 47%.

    District 9 (Stockton): Democratic Rep. Josh Harder leads with 56.3%. Republican Tom Patti has 43.7%.

    District 13 (Modesto south to Fresno): Republican John Duarte leads with 50.1%. Democrat Adam Gray has 49.9%.

    District 22 (Visalia to Bakersfield): Republican Rep. David Valadao leads with 52.5%. Democrat Rudy Salas has 47.5%.

    District 27 (Santa Clarita): Republican Rep. Mike Garcia leads with 55.4%. Democrat Christy Smith has 44.6%.

    District 41 (south of Riverside to Palm Springs): Republican Rep. Ken Calvert leads with 51.3%. Democrat Will Rollins has 48.7%.

    District 45 (Orange County): Republican Rep. Michelle Steel leads with 53.8%. Democrat Jay Chen has 46.2%.

    District 47 (Orange County): Democratic Rep. Katie Porter leads with 51.3%. Republican Scott Baugh has 48.7%.

    District 49 (southern Orange County, northern San Diego County): Democratic Rep. Mike Levin leads with 52.6%. Republican Brian Maryott has 47.4%.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article268734967.html#storylink=cpy

  120. 120.

    oldgold

    November 14, 2022 at 8:49 pm

    I read folks like Steve Kornacki. I must be missing something. I would rather watch someone scrape their front teeth down a chalkboard than his election reporting.

  121. 121.

    hilts

    November 14, 2022 at 8:49 pm

    Game Set Match for Hobbs! MSNBC

  122. 122.

    cain

    November 14, 2022 at 8:49 pm

    @Redshift: ​

    Which is kind of sad because Tammy in the end was not a bad human. I liked her and I know she is a tragic figure. Her husband on the other hand…

  123. 123.

    TheronWare

    November 14, 2022 at 8:49 pm

    Hobbs wins!

  124. 124.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 14, 2022 at 8:49 pm

    @trollhattan: and her classic take on Elian Gonzalez

    Mr. Reagan would not have dismissed the story of the dolphins as Christian kitsch, but seen it as possible evidence of the reasonable assumption that God’s creatures had been commanded to protect one of God’s children.

    Possible evidence of the reasonable assumption. Wordsmithery!

  125. 125.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 8:50 pm

    @Baud: So no one has called it for Katie Hobbs?  But it’s still clear that she has won?

    Do I get to open my bag of kettle corn?

    edit: Yay on Katie Hobbs!  :: sound of bag opening ::

    Any news on Kris Mayes, or will it come down to the wire?  Will we not know that for another week yet?

  126. 126.

    trollhattan

    November 14, 2022 at 8:51 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: OMG, forgot about the dolphins and hence, Charlie Pierce’s moniker for her. Woo was never like this.

  127. 127.

    Scout211

    November 14, 2022 at 8:52 pm

    @WaterGirl: NBC called it but CNN hasn’t yet.

    NBC

  128. 128.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    November 14, 2022 at 8:52 pm

    I am really glad that Katie Hobbs took over the governor’s mansion. I kept hoping things would turn around in AZ 1 and AZ 6, but it doesn’t seem to be happening. :(

  129. 129.

    trollhattan

    November 14, 2022 at 8:52 pm

    @Poe Larity: Thinking yeah, strong odds. “Ooh, Ronnie!”

    Clinton’s dumb luck getting caught in WH shenanigans in the modern age.

  130. 130.

    MazeDancer

    November 14, 2022 at 8:52 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    NBC called it for Hobbs.

    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1592333505622855680?s=20&t=vx09fgR2U0TaPh5AUDQjIQ

  131. 131.

    cain

    November 14, 2022 at 8:55 pm

    You know we might as well start gerrymandering some of those CA house districts .. fair is fair after all

  132. 132.

    HinTN

    November 14, 2022 at 8:56 pm

    @Poe Larity: I recommend Buffalo Trace forbourbon, although I do love my sour mash George Dickel black label.

  133. 133.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 14, 2022 at 8:56 pm

    @oldgold: I don’t hate him, but I don’t get the fanclub eithe

    ETA: watching a fairly extended of Kari Lake at CPAC on the Hayes program, I don’t see the magnetic TV personality I keep hearing about.

  134. 134.

    hilts

    November 14, 2022 at 8:56 pm

    Mike Pence is still an obnoxious, self-serving pussy

    Pence said “the president’s words were reckless. (Trump) endangered me and my family and everyone at the Capitol building.”

    h/t https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2022/11/14/mike-pence-tells-abcs-david-muir-the-presidents-words-were-reckless-on-january-6/?sh=580c63ec996d

  135. 135.

    Geminid

    November 14, 2022 at 8:57 pm

    @Mousebumples: Bacon’s district voted for Biden in 2020. I think it’s the Nebraska 3rd CD. Omaha is part of it.

    Nebrasksa awards its electoral votes one per Congressional District, two more for who ever wins the state. So Joe Biden got  one electoral vote out of Bacons district.

    Maine’s 2nd CD was a mirror image: Democrat Jared Golden was reelected Congressman, while Trump won the district and its one electoral vote.

  136. 136.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 14, 2022 at 8:58 pm

    @Geminid: just saw on the Hayes program that Golden’s race could still go to a run-off?

  137. 137.

    MazeDancer

    November 14, 2022 at 8:58 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:

    Wasserman just called AZ1 as GOP. Think he called AZ6, for GOP a while back.

  138. 138.

    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 8:58 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I think they have ranked choice there.

  139. 139.

    JanieM

    November 14, 2022 at 8:59 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: It’s ranked choice voting so they will count the votes for the second round. It’s a foregone conclusion that Golden will win, given the numbers.

    ETA: I’ve seen no one who doubts that…

    ETA2: https://www.mainepublic.org/politics/2022-11-14/ranked-choice-runoff-to-decide-2nd-district-race-on-tuesday

  140. 140.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 9:00 pm

    @hilts:

    Mike Pence is still an obnoxious, self-serving pussy.

    I just wanted to see that again.

  141. 141.

    James E Powell

    November 14, 2022 at 9:00 pm

    @hilts:

    Pence said “the president’s words were reckless. (Trump) endangered me and my family and everyone at the Capitol building.”

    But he would vote for him to be president again.

  142. 142.

    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 9:00 pm

    @James E Powell:

    Only in the general election.

  143. 143.

    Doug R

    November 14, 2022 at 9:01 pm

    @MazeDancer:

    https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer/status/1592336059421331456

    .
    @DecisionDeskHQ
    has projected the race for
    @katiehobbs

    6:57 PM · Nov 14, 2022·Twitter Web App

  144. 144.

    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 9:02 pm

    We Have The Votes‘: The Senate Will Act This Week To Codify Same-Sex Marriage

    With the midterm elections over, Democrats have found enough Republicans ready to join them in advancing basic LGBTQ rights

  145. 145.

    NotMax

    November 14, 2022 at 9:02 pm

    @Poe Larity

    Day with a “y” in it good enough for our forebears.

    :)

  146. 146.

    Mousebumples

    November 14, 2022 at 9:03 pm

    @japa21: Doesn’t need to be anyone in the House. I’d wonder if GOP reps that voted for impeachment & then lost reelection (eg Herrera-Butler, Kinzinger, Meijer… Or even Amash) could be options? Or any more moderate Dems? (Spanberger?)

    @Geminid: That sounds right. I wrote postcards for Bacon’s opponent this time around.

    While the schadenfreude would be immense from Speaker Mccarthy… I’d rather we actually had a functional House. And maybe make it easier to put the MAGA-Republicans out to pasture… But that’s probably dreaming.

  147. 147.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 9:03 pm

    @WaterGirl: assuming I haven’t overdosed on Maricopa Drops, magic number for Crazi Kari is now

    50% + 1/2  x 20481 / [ (1265331+1244850) / (3%/97%) ] = 63% of remaining ballots

    and that seems … unlikely.

  148. 148.

    HinTN

    November 14, 2022 at 9:04 pm

    @WaterGirl: That’s the one I’m using. Twenty in the mail today, shooting for 20 tomorrow.

  149. 149.

    frosty

    November 14, 2022 at 9:04 pm

    @WaterGirl: Enjoy your kettle corn! This means the last of the election deniers lost!

  150. 150.

    piratedan

    November 14, 2022 at 9:05 pm

    I feel as though a great victory for good has been won in the state of Arizona….

    Mayes is in the lead for AG and Dems are back in front for the superintendent of Schools.

     

    The AZ House races are slower to update, but it looks like AZ 6 is lost and we’re behind in AZ 1.  Still work to do in the state, but the trends are good that  we’re reaching folks or impressing on others to get registered and vote.

  151. 151.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 14, 2022 at 9:05 pm

    @JanieM: thanks, I guess they did mention ranked choice on MSNBC

  152. 152.

    HinTN

    November 14, 2022 at 9:06 pm

    @trollhattan:

    • Gross and disgusting
    • Obsessed and deranged
    • I’ve existed for years
    • And very little had changed.
  153. 153.

    Baud

    November 14, 2022 at 9:06 pm

    @piratedan:

    AZ has been amazing.

  154. 154.

    CaseyL

    November 14, 2022 at 9:07 pm

    Yay! for Katie Hobbs!!  So nice to see AZ now has much saner government.

    Ugh, though, for our chances of keeping the House.  A couple more races have been called for the GOP.

  155. 155.

    Joseph Patrick Lurker

    November 14, 2022 at 9:08 pm

    @oldgold:

    I read folks like Steve Kornacki. I must be missing something. I would rather watch someone scrape their front teeth down a chalkboard than his election reporting.

    How is it humanly possible for anyone to dislike Steve Kornacki?

  156. 156.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 9:10 pm

    @HinTN: That’s great!

  157. 157.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 9:11 pm

    @frosty: Yay for election deniers going down in flames!  Their elections of course, not the people.  They won’t literally go down in flames until they head straight to hell when they croak.

  158. 158.

    James E Powell

    November 14, 2022 at 9:12 pm

    @Mousebumples:

    That sounds like great grist for the Village mills, but there is no way Republican reps will go for anyone acceptable to Democrats. I do hope they fight about it. I’d put my money on Stefanik.

  159. 159.

    Geminid

    November 14, 2022 at 9:12 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: An independent candidate got ~5% and held Golden below 50%. Maine has ranked  choice voting, and I think that the second ranked votes have not been counted yet. They should make Golden the winner.

  160. 160.

    hilts

    November 14, 2022 at 9:13 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Cecily Strong captured her on SNL

    Out of all the political impersonations I’ve seen on SNL since 1975, this one is the best.

  161. 161.

    James E Powell

    November 14, 2022 at 9:13 pm

    @HinTN:

    It’s gross & perverted. Part of the soundtrack of my freshman year in college.

  162. 162.

    piratedan

    November 14, 2022 at 9:14 pm

    @Joseph Patrick Lurker: He’s no Chuck Todd!

  163. 163.

    Fake Irishman

    November 14, 2022 at 9:14 pm

    @Baud:

    schumer filed for cloture on the motion to proceed this evening. That probably means a final vote later this week.

  164. 164.

    karen marie

    November 14, 2022 at 9:16 pm

    @Amir Khalid:   They’re going to scrape the sandals to try to recover DNA and make a baby clone

    PS Garrett pointed to DecisionDeskHQ has called it for Hobbs.  I don’t know who they are but if Garrett thinks it’s reliable to point at, I’ll take it.

  165. 165.

    HinTN

    November 14, 2022 at 9:16 pm

    @James E Powell: Yeah, memory is a funny thing. Tom Stoppard’s Leopoldstadt examines that in a very interesting way.

  166. 166.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 9:17 pm

    @Fake Irishman: That would be welcome indeed

    But as much interest as I have in that particular bill, it still galls me that, so far at least, there is not the same level of support for reproductive rights or, FFS, voting rights.

    I mean, voting rights?  Come ON …!

  167. 167.

    karen marie

    November 14, 2022 at 9:19 pm

    @Fake Irishman:   I saw a quick thing on the bird thing earlier today that whatever the bill is, not everyone is happy.  It’s said to allow states to opt out of same-sex marriage.  Seems insane to have a bill that would do that but these are not sane times.  It also makes me question what will be in a federal abortion bill.

  168. 168.

    Geminid

    November 14, 2022 at 9:20 pm

    @trollhattan: I hope that Will Rollins takes another shot at Ken Calvert in two years. A presidential year electorate might make the difference in California’s 41st CD.

  169. 169.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 14, 2022 at 9:21 pm

    @trollhattan:

    I see the love child of Cokie Roberts and Lindsay Graham.

    That is… very seeable

    Even if the conception is hard to conceive

  170. 170.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 9:21 pm

    @karen marie: My understanding is that it is intended to forestall a more general striking-down by the Supremes.  Opt-out is better than opt-in, and it’s WAY better than “you can’t opt in.”

  171. 171.

    Fake Irishman

    November 14, 2022 at 9:22 pm

    Mayes is still up by 4,195 in the AG race. That one’s not getting called for a while and will go to a recount, but she has a good chance to win.

    I think the good guys are going to lose the state school superintendent race; Dem incumbent will be replaced by what Kay would call a “low-quality hire” who wants to ban bilingual education. But that one will go to a recount too

  172. 172.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    November 14, 2022 at 9:22 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Kari Lake is so fucking creepy.

    She reminds me of Angela Lansbury’s character from The Manchurian Candidate.

  173. 173.

    zhena gogolia

    November 14, 2022 at 9:23 pm

    @Wyatt Salamanca: Haha, spot on.

  174. 174.

    Ruckus

    November 14, 2022 at 9:24 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Sorry, that’s not a face, it’s an ass.

  175. 175.

    Fake Irishman

    November 14, 2022 at 9:24 pm

    @karen marie:

    let’s see what those terms actually are. That can mean a lot of things, some merely obnoxious performance art and others really bad.

  176. 176.

    Martin

    November 14, 2022 at 9:24 pm

    Not great news in CA folks.

    CA-03: – 6.0 [+0 ] (open seat) [79,595]
    CA-09: +12.6 [* ] (D incumbent) [44,513]
    CA-13: – 0.2 [* ] (open seat) [39,613]
    CA-21: + 9.2 [* ] (D incumbent) [44,710]
    CA-22: – 5.0 [* ] (R incumbent) [26,799]
    CA-27: – 8.8 [+2.0] (R incumbent) [68,553]
    CA-41: – 2.6 [-1.2] (R incumbent) [78,918]
    CA-45: – 6.6 [+0.8] (R incumbent) [78,622]
    CA-47: + 1.3 [-1.3] (D incumbent) [114,392]
    CA-49: + 5.0 [+0.4] (D incumbent) [135,046]

    A little bit of vote in CA-03 – a couple thousand ballots. No change. I think this was one of the smaller counties reporting.

    No new data from CA-09, -13, -21, -22. I think the counties updated later than the state’s last refresh. We might get a new refresh later.

    CA-27 saw a nice new chunk taken out of it. Still a long way to go. About 60% has been counted. Longshot, but maybe.

    CA 41 is going in the wrong direction. They still have about 90,000 votes in the county still to count, but every update has dug the hole deeper, so we need something dramatic to happen.

    CA-45 like CA-27 making progress, but not coming in as quickly here, so I’m less optimistic here.

    CA-47 is a surprise. Lost half the margin today. Today was the shift from USPS ballots to drop box, and the drop box were more R favored. There’s another 90,000 drop box to go, so it could be these were more geographically disfavored to Porter and the rest will be better, or it could be that drop box is more R favored overall. There’s also vote center to do, and some other smaller categories, but this reversal has me a bit worried. My suspicion for it being geographic is based on CA-45 and CA-49 getting more D share from the same count than CA-47 did. I don’t see any reason why CA-47 would go in the opposite direction in terms of partisan lean. But if ballot boxes are broadly R lean, I don’t see any reason why vote center wouldn’t as well, and that’s bad news for Porter.

    CA-49 continues to inch out ground as expected. We’ll see if any reversal like seen in -47 shows up, but so far so good.

    Not a very good update overall. Maybe a glimmer in CA-27. CA-49 looking okay. Still up in CA-47.

  177. 177.

    Kent

    November 14, 2022 at 9:25 pm

    @karen marie:@Fake Irishman:   I saw a quick thing on the bird thing earlier today that whatever the bill is, not everyone is happy.  It’s said to allow states to opt out of same-sex marriage.  Seems insane to have a bill that would do that but these are not sane times.  It also makes me question what will be in a federal abortion bill.

    How the fuck do you opt out of same-sex marriage in this day and age?  Are they going to cancel hundreds of thousands of same-sex marriages that already exist in those states?  They going to not recognize marriages that occurred in other states?  How would that even work?  It obviously would be unconstitutional.

  178. 178.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    November 14, 2022 at 9:27 pm

    @karen marie: If the bill allows states to opt out of gay marriage that would be bad, but how bad depends on what that means. If states get to opt out of performing gay marriages, but not opt out of recognizing marriages that are performed elsewhere, then that is manageable. If you are suddenly not married when you cross state lines, though, that would cause chaos.

  179. 179.

    Chetan Murthy

    November 14, 2022 at 9:27 pm

    Since we’re talkin’ about AZ, I wonder if others who saw that Blake Masters Walther PPK video had flashbacks to the first season of Dexter, and the character of “Brian” (“Biney”, pronounced like “spiny”), the serial-killer brother ?

  180. 180.

    HinTN

    November 14, 2022 at 9:27 pm

    @James E Powell:  I should have said you had a great soundtrack!

  181. 181.

    Chetan Murthy

    November 14, 2022 at 9:28 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: How can that happen?

    Article IV, Section 1: Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.

  182. 182.

    Fake Irishman

    November 14, 2022 at 9:28 pm

    So for those of you keeping score at home, that leaves the Dems net +2 in governorships for the cycle in comparison to net -5 in 2010.

    and Sisolak damn near pulled Nevada out of the fire (and even there we got what we needed in almost all of the other most important offices)

  183. 183.

    Geminid

    November 14, 2022 at 9:28 pm

    @Fake Irishman: I noticed that Adrian Fontes, the Democratic candidat3 for Secretary of State, was declared the winner in his race on November 12. I wonder if him being a Latino made the difference..

  184. 184.

    raven

    November 14, 2022 at 9:29 pm

    @Kent: My friends were legally married in New York but had to move back to Australia because one of them couldn’t get a green card. Not the same but it still pisses me off.

  185. 185.

    zhena gogolia

    November 14, 2022 at 9:31 pm

    Great news! The NYT used a picture of Lake for one of their “red wave” stories, and it gave me Palin-style creeps.

  186. 186.

    Fake Irishman

    November 14, 2022 at 9:32 pm

    @Geminid:

    what made the difference was his opponent being a dangerous lunatic.

  187. 187.

    Scout211

    November 14, 2022 at 9:32 pm

    Walker’s campaign is realizing that fundraising in the GOP is all about the grift.

    Republican politicians and associated committees are sending out desperate fundraising emails begging the GOP faithful to help save America by getting behind Herschel Walker in his Dec. 6 runoff race against Georgia Democratic Sen. Raphael Warnock.

    But what’s not immediately clear to recipients is how little of that money is going to Walker’s campaign: just a dime for every dollar given by small donors.

    Walker’s campaign, which has trailed Warnock’s in fundraising throughout the election, is now asking fellow Republicans to stop their fundraising practices — or at least start sharing more with thecandidate.

    “We need everyone focused on winning the Georgia Senate race, and deceptive fundraising tactics by teams that just won their races are siphoning money away from Georgia,” Walker campaign manager Scott Paradise told NBC News on Monday.

  188. 188.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 9:35 pm

    @Scout211: Maybe now that we have 50 seats without this seat in GA, to other Rs, grift > GA win?

  189. 189.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 9:36 pm

    AP has called for Hobbs.  And now WaPo and CNN and … game over.

  190. 190.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 9:37 pm

    @bbleh: I guess that’s at hat trick, and we can believe it for real now.

  191. 191.

    Ken

    November 14, 2022 at 9:37 pm

    @Scout211: Maybe it’s just cynical old me, but I hear “I want my cut too” in Scott Paradise’s plea.

    But this story reminds me, did the Republicans ever find out what happened to all that money they gave Rick Scott to elect Republican senators?

  192. 192.

    HumboldtBlue

    November 14, 2022 at 9:37 pm

    Got-damn!

    Have the Republicans taken a pregnancy test yet?

    That’s what I’d do if I got fucked and my red wave didn’t arrive.

  193. 193.

    Qrop Non Sequitur

    November 14, 2022 at 9:37 pm

    @WaterGirl: To the politicians; the grift, more so than the cruelty, is the point.

  194. 194.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    November 14, 2022 at 9:38 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: Before Obergefell, it was weird that way. People could get married in a state, but not have it recognized by the federal government or other states. It was this legal limbo. If marriages are recognized by the feds, but only some states, it will go to court and Thomas, et al will finally get their chance to wreck some families.

  195. 195.

    Captain C

    November 14, 2022 at 9:40 pm

    @Mousebumples: Now there’s a plot twist.

  196. 196.

    Qrop Non Sequitur

    November 14, 2022 at 9:41 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: It won’t be Clarence Thomas or the Supreme Court destroying families, it will be the States. The Great Ruth Bader Ginsburg said herself it should be that way.

    /wingnut

    ETA: It’s nice to see the originalist crowd put words in the mouths of dead people in real time.

  197. 197.

    lgerard

    November 14, 2022 at 9:41 pm

    Have to love the former republican Arizona State legislator describing the defeat of all the trump endorsed candidates as a Massive display of reasonableness

    https://twitter.com/JoeDanaReports/status/1592308912845651971

  198. 198.

    HumboldtBlue

    November 14, 2022 at 9:42 pm

    @bbleh: ​ 

    Calvin’s gonna be pissed Hobbs is more popular.

  199. 199.

    WaterGirl

    November 14, 2022 at 9:44 pm

    I have been so wound up about Katie Hobbs and the House races that I forgot to say how great I think several of MazeDancer’s postcards are.

    I think #56 and #58 are my favorites.

  200. 200.

    Mike in NC

    November 14, 2022 at 9:45 pm

    Heard they made a movie about Kari Lake: “She Bitch of the SS”

  201. 201.

    raven

    November 14, 2022 at 9:46 pm

    never mind

  202. 202.

    PaulB

    November 14, 2022 at 9:49 pm

    @Chetan Murthy:  How can that happen?

    Article IV, Section 1: Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.

    It’s possible. See, for example, marriage between cousins, which is illegal in some states, legal in others. From a cursory search, it looks like the courts have mostly, but not always, required recognition of marriages performed in other states. This Wikipedia article claims that there are multiple states where “out-of-state marriages by state’s residents void.”

    No matter what, if anything, that Congress passes, this will go back to the Supreme Court, potentially multiple times.

  203. 203.

    Jackie

    November 14, 2022 at 9:54 pm

    @frosty: The race for AZ Lt Gov is still to close to call… the Dem is ahead with a very narrow lead. So still some finger crossing to do.

  204. 204.

    Geminid

    November 14, 2022 at 9:55 pm

    @Fake Irishman: That’s right. Mr. Finchem. I think he was from out of state, too.

    I was very glad yo see Mr. Fontes win. People keep trying to figure out put how Democrats can appeal to Larino voters. It seems to me that way is to elect candidates from their community.

  205. 205.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    November 14, 2022 at 10:02 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    it gave me Palin-style creeps.

    I look forward to Palin being swept into the trash bin of history after her loss is officially declared by the media she despises.

  206. 206.

    Suzanne

    November 14, 2022 at 10:03 pm

    I’m thrilled, of course.

    It’s so weird. Kari Lake read the news for EVER on Phoenix TV. She always seemed perfectly unobjectionable. To find out she was batshit crazy was really upsetting, like feeling like you were robbed by someone you trusted.

  207. 207.

    Scout211

    November 14, 2022 at 10:07 pm

    Link
    NEW: People allied with Kevin McCarthy have made calls to Democratic Rep. Henry Cuellar to ask him if he would switch parties to expand the GOP majority, according to five people familiar with the calls. w/
    @lindsaywise
    @elizacollins1

  208. 208.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    November 14, 2022 at 10:09 pm

    @Suzanne:

    It’s always disappointing to find out someone you liked is terrible. Dean Cain played one of the best Clark Kents I’ve ever seen. He’s a fundie moron. Go figure. Makes you wonder what he thought of the writing on the show regarding his character, presuming he was a fundie back then. Same with Kevin Sorbo on Hercules

  209. 209.

    Fake Irishman

    November 14, 2022 at 10:10 pm

    @Jackie:

    there is no LTG in AZ, do you mean the AG?

    [Insert appropriate lyrics from “Hair” here]

  210. 210.

    Kelly

    November 14, 2022 at 10:11 pm

    @Suzanne: Bill O’Reilly was an ordinary Portland, OR TV new guy in the mid 1980’s. It can go the other way. Beloved Oregon Gov Tom McCall was a Portland TV news guy.

  211. 211.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 10:11 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: personally I’m rooting for the intra-Republican war of all against all.

  212. 212.

    Mai Naem mobile

    November 14, 2022 at 10:12 pm

    @Suzanne: i used to see her on Twitter(never officially followed her.) She’s been nuts for at least 3 years. Somebody said she was using this as a stepping stone to a Fox News gig and I agree with that. There’s some hosts on Fox who are getting stale. Kari might freshen the brand up some. Either that or she ends up on Newmax/OAN etc.

  213. 213.

    Fake Irishman

    November 14, 2022 at 10:14 pm

    @Kelly:

    It can also swing wildly in all directions. Jerry Springer was a respected newsman and mayor of Cincinnati before….well… everything else.

  214. 214.

    Mai Naem mobile

    November 14, 2022 at 10:16 pm

    @Scout211: i think it could go the other way if they’re only 1-2 seats. The Dems might convince a GOPr or two to switch parties. Would you rather be with a sure to over reach GOP dumpster fire House or a non crazy Dem controlled  House?

  215. 215.

    Suzanne

    November 14, 2022 at 10:18 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I didn’t like her or watch her. Just…. she was like plain wallpaper that is present in a room, but that you don’t really notice. Billboards with her face on them as you drive around town, on commercials as you watch other shows, sometimes on in the waiting room at the doctor’s office, that kind of thing. Like….the last person I would have expected to be a lunatic.

  216. 216.

    Suzanne

    November 14, 2022 at 10:19 pm

    @Mai Naem mobile:

    Somebody said she was using this as a stepping stone to a Fox News gig and I agree with that. 

    Oh 100%.
    Of course, I think Sinema is doing the same thing.

  217. 217.

    Scout211

    November 14, 2022 at 10:19 pm

    @Mai Naem mobile: Exactly.

    The first reply to that wsj tweet that I posted was:

    100 bucks says Pelosi is doing this too and she’s not letting it leak.

    Cuellar reportedly refused to switch parties.

  218. 218.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    November 14, 2022 at 10:19 pm

    @Mai Naem mobile: Dems won’t be able to convince any current Rs to go D. It is possible, but unlikely, they could get a wavering one to switch to I. I can’t imagine who would be a good target for that, though.

  219. 219.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 10:22 pm

    @Scout211: @Mai Naem mobile: I’d doubt you’d see MCs formally switching parties, not least because (1) no single MC holds the balance of power and (2) s/he would likely would have a very rough time in the following election.  Rather, I think you’ll see lots of bargaining over particular issues, Republicans fighting to hold their very narrow majority, Dems trying to peel off enough votes to pass a discharge petition and a bill, and all against a background of various Republican factions jockeying against each other for power.

    Having the Speakership and the majority has material advantages, but when things are this close, and so many Republicans are batsh!t crazy, I don’t think being in the majority will be an unalloyed advantage for Republicans, not by a long shot.

  220. 220.

    Steve in the ATL

    November 14, 2022 at 10:29 pm

    @Suzanne:

     

    To find out she was batshit crazy was really upsetting, like feeling like you were robbed by someone you trusted.

    Pretty much how many of us here felt when we found out that Baud is a furry. When we found Omnes is too? No one was surprised.

  221. 221.

    zhena gogolia

    November 14, 2022 at 10:29 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Did you actually like Kevin Sorbo as Hercules?

  222. 222.

    zhena gogolia

    November 14, 2022 at 10:30 pm

    @Mai Naem mobile: That’s the joke SNL ended with.

  223. 223.

    Suzanne

    November 14, 2022 at 10:30 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Pretty much how many of us here felt when we found out that Baud is a furry. 

    I don’t believe it. I don’t believe he wears pants.

  224. 224.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    November 14, 2022 at 10:33 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    It’s always disappointing to find out someone you liked is terrible. Dean Cain played one of the best Clark Kents I’ve ever seen.

    I felt the same way about James Caan and Paul Sorvino

  225. 225.

    Cacti

    November 14, 2022 at 10:34 pm

    The defeat of Kari Lake gives me a special mix of schadenfreude and smug satisfaction.

  226. 226.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    November 14, 2022 at 10:34 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Ah gotcha. I guess we don’t always know who people truly are on the inside, for better or worse. Some are just better at hiding it than others and later let the mask slip. Some are radicalized

  227. 227.

    Suzanne

    November 14, 2022 at 10:34 pm

    Ughhhhh, just saw that Andy Biggs wants to challenge McCarthy for Speaker. Biggs is THE WORST. Like Gaetz, MTG levels of odious.

  228. 228.

    CaseyL

    November 14, 2022 at 10:36 pm

    @bbleh: I don’t know about that.  GOPers are good at falling in line – but they need a strong Daddy figure to fall in line behind.  I don’t see McCarthy as that Daddy; however, I can see Elise Stefanik in that role.  She is a cold and conscienceless climber, and I think they like that.

  229. 229.

    zhena gogolia

    November 14, 2022 at 10:37 pm

    @Suzanne: Isn’t he the one who said the J6 was a tourist visit?

  230. 230.

    Scout211

    November 14, 2022 at 10:37 pm

    The Oregonian has called OR-06 for Democrat Andrea Salinas.

    That means Democrats will control four of Oregon’s six seats in the U.S. House. Salinas and Republican Lori Chavez-DeRemer, who won the 5th Congressional District race, will be Oregon’s first two Latinas in Congress. In total, Oregon will send four women to the House.

  231. 231.

    Cacti

    November 14, 2022 at 10:37 pm

    @Suzanne: Fight, fight, fight, fight!

  232. 232.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    November 14, 2022 at 10:38 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    I’ve only watched a few clips online of him in that role and he’s alright, I suppose. Those types of shows from back then always had this kind of cheesiness to them that was charming and entertaining. Same with Xena. It’s not high art, but it was entertaining

  233. 233.

    Suzanne

    November 14, 2022 at 10:38 pm

    @zhena gogolia: He said some dumb shit. I don’t remember what specific dumb shit. That sounds likely.

    He is a complete tool.

  234. 234.

    Dan B

    November 14, 2022 at 10:43 pm

    @Kent: The way the Respect for Marriage Bill works is: States do not have to perform weddings but must recognize marriages performed in other states.  It was crafted to get support from enough GOP to avoid a filibuster.

    If Obergefell I’d shot down by the supremes then the Feds and all states would recognize same sex marriages.  I think it may also provide protection if Lawrence is shot down.

  235. 235.

    Brachiator

    November 14, 2022 at 10:44 pm

    AP has called for Hobbs.  And now WaPo and CNN and … game over.

    I’ve been working and been away from media and the Internets. This is great news.

    I look forward to a formal concession from Lake. Ha ha ha…

    Still I will not gloat too much. Just feel relief.

  236. 236.

    HumboldtBlue

    November 14, 2022 at 10:46 pm

    @bbleh: ​ 

    It’s gonna be a clusterfuck. No one in the GOP can’t herd this group of mewling fuckwits, chucklefucks and fumbledicks, it’ll be two wasted years, but I think any real harm will be mitigated by the repubs in disarray.

  237. 237.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 10:47 pm

    @CaseyL: Concur, and I don’t think they’ll have a Strong Daddy.  I think McCarthy is likely to get what he wants, but he’ll be wounded and weak right from the start.  I don’t think any of the Crazies will have anywhere near enough support to beat him — not even Stefanik (who, after all, is a girl) — but they will make his life even more of a hell than they made Boehner’s and Ryan’s.  They’re gonna turn the House into a circus, which in turn will create opportunities for Dems to pick off ones in purple districts on particular issues.  And in a contest of vote-wrangling between McCarthy and Pelosi, um, lol.

    @HumboldtBlue: this also, too.

  238. 238.

    Dan B

    November 14, 2022 at 10:48 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: Who will be the first to call the incoming House the House of Malarky?

  239. 239.

    bbleh

    November 14, 2022 at 10:53 pm

    @Dan B: “Presenting … Sir Kevin of Malarkey!” [out-of-tune trumpet flourish. standard-bearer attempts heroic wave, stabs self in crotch, collapses. McCarthy trips on step, face-plants, farts loudly]

  240. 240.

    Fake Irishman

    November 14, 2022 at 10:54 pm

    @Dan B:

    This isn’t ideal, but it protects some really important practical core rights. (And I’m thinking about where we were in 2004 at this time when everyone was saying how being anti gay was giving the GOP a permanent majority…. Things have changed)

  241. 241.

    Jackie

    November 14, 2022 at 10:56 pm

    @WaterGirl: I love them all! How can any Democratic Georgian refuse to vote after receiving any one of them?

  242. 242.

    Jackie

    November 14, 2022 at 10:59 pm

    @Fake Irishman: Ooops, yes!

  243. 243.

    gwangung

    November 14, 2022 at 11:07 pm

    @Fake Irishman: Hm. THe chatter I was seeing is that the protections aren’t really that strong, and are likely to be shot down by this Supreme Court.

  244. 244.

    Captain C

    November 14, 2022 at 11:09 pm

    The Republican House Leadership elections are going to be like a British Tory Party conference, but with every candidate for every position thinking they’re the real Flobablob, aren’t they?

  245. 245.

    James E Powell

    November 14, 2022 at 11:14 pm

    @Suzanne:

    It’s always seemed to me, as I’ve travelled around the country, that all those Action News Teams look the same in every city.

  246. 246.

    NotMax

    November 14, 2022 at 11:15 pm

    @Captain C

    Hey, Louis Gohmert’s calendar is clear come January 3rd, at which time he can slide into the Speakership without any distractions from that pesky legislating.

    Just sayin’.

    //

  247. 247.

    James E Powell

    November 14, 2022 at 11:15 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Sinema can never be on TV. She just doesn’t present very well at all.

  248. 248.

    Dan B

    November 14, 2022 at 11:16 pm

    @gwangung: The Sadistic Six have hidden behind the excuse that most privacy protections were granted by activist judges and not congress or spelled out in the original constitution.  I wonder what their next fig Leafs will be when they go after the rest.  They seem to loathe the inability of States to control behavior they find disgusting or sinful.  The fact that no one is hurt by what is private behavior does not register because they are offended by its existence.

  249. 249.

    NotMax

    November 14, 2022 at 11:17 pm

    @James E Powell

    The Stepford anchors.

  250. 250.

    James E Powell

    November 14, 2022 at 11:17 pm

    @Captain C:

    Whoever comes out on top can depend on the Village and the FTFNYT fluffing them & their families.

  251. 251.

    gwangung

    November 14, 2022 at 11:23 pm

    @Dan B: They have no little loathing and great disrespect for folks who don’t think as they do. I have no doubt they’ll create a fig leaf, ridiculous as it will be.

  252. 252.

    Jackie

    November 14, 2022 at 11:27 pm

    Anyone surprised?

    “Donald Trump hoarded $94 million this election in his various political committees as his anointed candidates lost the Senate for Republicans in tight races where that money might have made the difference between winning and losing,” the HuffPost reports.

    Said one Trump adviser: “We didn’t lose because of Trump’s rhetoric. We lost because Trump is cheap. He left them all hanging dry…. It gave a free shot for all the right-wing pundits to turn on him.”

    From Political Wire

  253. 253.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    November 15, 2022 at 12:15 am

    @gwangung: I hope that isn’t the case. If it passes and the protections for gay marriage end up weak enough that it goes to the Supremes, then that will take a few years. A lot can happen in a few years.

  254. 254.

    Chris Johnson

    November 15, 2022 at 7:25 am

    @NotMax: Watch how it’s actually Peter Thiel going full Cosmo Lavish o_O

  255. 255.

    J R in WV

    November 15, 2022 at 8:21 am

    @Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:

    All that Team D created was the nonentity that was Barack Obama.

    Wife, as a 30-year AP correspondent, watches the political conventions from start to finish, now that they are available on TV that way. We watched the 2004 Dem Convention, and saw that funny looking black guy with the funny name give one of the best political speeches in modern American history live.

    Peggy Noonan thought it was stupid, and a sign of the failure of the Democratic Party. How about that!?!! I thought “I’m listening to the next president of the United States~!!”

    Maybe I should be writing political analysis and making the big bucks? I also thought the R’s expecting a Red Wave this year was stupid… how about that!!?! Told Wife that on Monday night…. should have posted, then everyone would know that I’m a political genius!

  256. 256.

    J R in WV

    November 15, 2022 at 8:30 am

    @Joseph Patrick Lurker: ​
     

    How is it humanly possible for anyone to dislike Steve Kornacki?

    He should stick to calling real horse races at a big track somewhere. Terrible speech patterns for TV news. I guess he’s probly a nice buy off camera at a bar.

  257. 257.

    karen marie

    November 15, 2022 at 10:35 am

    @Geminid:   I don’t think Fontes’ win had much, if anything, to do with his ancestry.  Fontes is a known quantity in the state – known to not be insane, where Finchem couldn’t keep the spittle down.  There just aren’t enough truly crazy people here – see, eg, the presidential results.  I’d be interested in the breakdown of people who skipped checking any box in that race to learn how many Republicans couldn’t hold their nose for Finchem but will never vote for a Dem.

  258. 258.

    Paul in KY

    November 15, 2022 at 12:14 pm

    @bbleh: Max Headroom’s love child…

  259. 259.

    Paul in KY

    November 15, 2022 at 12:20 pm

    @HinTN: Weller is the best, IMO.

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