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You are here: Home / Civil Rights / LGBTQ Rights / LGBTQ Rights Are Human Rights / Monday Evening Open Thread: Changing Social Conventions

Monday Evening Open Thread: Changing Social Conventions

by Anne Laurie|  November 21, 20226:04 pm| 120 Comments

This post is in: LGBTQ Rights Are Human Rights, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat

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there were a lot of good things to come out of the 2022 midterms for the center-left but a big one is that swing voters generally identified the people obsessed with other people's bodies as the weird freaks, contra conservative attempts to make the tolerant people look freakish. https://t.co/hd0gSUNSmf

— a vindicated archaeologist (@merovingians) November 20, 2022

The revanchists are angry because they’re losing. It’s important to remember that!

something that I think is kinda interesting here that speaks to a unique phenomenon in young elite GOP types: they’re personally pretty cosmopolitan (she went to a gay club many times), while also being totally in favor of policy that treats groups like gay people as subhuman. https://t.co/DxpAK9Q30R

— William B. Fuckley (@opinonhaver) November 21, 2022

I think a lot of cancel culture discourse is driven by elite-ish conservatives who dislike the fact that personal cordiality doesn’t entitle them to friendship with people who they want to use politics to brutalize.

— William B. Fuckley (@opinonhaver) November 21, 2022

a common strain which percolates through the elite class is that's it's not enough simply to possess affluence and power — they also demand veneration, or at least compulsive deference

— meditative zebra (@meditativezebra) November 21, 2022

Part of it imo is that before Obergefell they were invited to the elite social circles, but now the winds have changed so much that they’re just mad it’s not acceptable anymore.

— usermovie (@usermovie) November 21, 2022

I have said this a thousand times and I will say it again: If you don't care about trans ppl and don't want to think about them then you should support the liberal posistion of "leaving ppl alone" instead of the conservative plan of "rigorous genital inspections in every school." https://t.co/qJJxXYvxUi

— Nathan Goldwag ???? (@GoldwagNathan) November 20, 2022

being pro-trans is a hill worth dying on in and of itself, but it’s been clear since biden paid no political price for the “at least three genders” line that dying on the hill isn’t even a remote likelihood. americans don’t care about things that don’t personally affect them lol https://t.co/TR08jXY3kp

— dyIan ?? ???????? (@manicpixiehack) November 20, 2022

most americans seem largely unconcerned with gender neutral bathrooms and pronouns. this is a very good thing, and a reason to never ever treat trans people worse than anyone else in the coalition – it's not just deeply wrong morally, it's also politically ineffective

— a vindicated archaeologist (@merovingians) November 20, 2022

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  1. 1.

    Math Guy

    November 21, 2022 at 6:08 pm

    Present.

  2. 2.

    satby

    November 21, 2022 at 6:13 pm

    In my booth at the farmers market is a sign supporting Transgender rights. It’s 11×17 so you can’t really miss it. South Bend is purple at best, the farmers and many customers are MAGA at worst; yet every single week someone thanks me for displaying that sign. Old people, college kids, middle aged people: sometimes I’m really taken by surprise by who appreciates it. Because even in red zones, there are LGTBQ+ people and families who love them. Never be afraid to be an ally.

  3. 3.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 21, 2022 at 6:13 pm

    I grew up in the ’60s, early ’70s. For the vast majority of that time, a persons genitals were referred to as one’s “private parts.” As in, “nobody’s business but the person who owned them.” This being the ’60s and ’70s, that wasn’t really true, but just as the Declaration of Independence was aspirational, so was that sentiment.

    We need to reclaim that.

    What I do with my private parts ain’t nobody’s business but my own. As long as I don’t force them on another person of course.

  4. 4.

    Baud

    November 21, 2022 at 6:14 pm

    I don’t hate trans people. Why can’t I get invited to all the cool parties?

  5. 5.

    Alison Rose

    November 21, 2022 at 6:15 pm

    It’s amazing the philosophical pretzels conservatives will twist themselves into to pretend like the vicious anti-gay, anti-trans rhetoric and policies many of them espouse and uphold has NOTHING WHATEVER to do with attacks on those communities.

    It’s not like this dude went after a bunch of cis het people in a knitting circle or a garden club.

  6. 6.

    Alison Rose

    November 21, 2022 at 6:15 pm

    @Baud: Everyone has standards, Baud.

  7. 7.

    Qrop Non Sequitur

    November 21, 2022 at 6:18 pm

    The only person to blame is the mentally ill person who chose to murder innocent people

    Stop politicizing tragedy and allow these families to grieve you sick bastard.

    Awfully cumbersome way to say “I don’t think we should be protecting people or challenging hatred.”

  8. 8.

    Baud

    November 21, 2022 at 6:19 pm

    @Alison Rose:

    Now you sound like my mom.

  9. 9.

    HumboldtBlue

    November 21, 2022 at 6:19 pm

    @Alison Rose:

    Damn.

  10. 10.

    schrodingers_cat

    November 21, 2022 at 6:25 pm

    I had a friend who was genuinely surprised when I didn’t want to have anything to do with her after she made excuses and low key supported  the Orange One’s Muslim ban

    We had had a tense and a difficult relationship since the 2014 midterms after she fell hook line and sinker for the immigrants bringing Ebola over the southern border canard of the Republican party.

  11. 11.

    Baud

    November 21, 2022 at 6:26 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    The best way we can get back at them is to force them to hang out with each other.

  12. 12.

    schrodingers_cat

    November 21, 2022 at 6:28 pm

    @Baud: Oh yes that’s a great idea. She thought I was the unreasonable one.

  13. 13.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 21, 2022 at 6:28 pm

    @Baud: ​Even I have standards. Mind you, they are pretty damned low. Even you can meet them. SFAW too. Come to think of it Immanentize, Raven, Satby, MomSense,…

    Maybe I don’t have standards after all.

  14. 14.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 21, 2022 at 6:29 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: You are. You have standards. How unreasonable!

  15. 15.

    Qrop Non Sequitur

    November 21, 2022 at 6:32 pm

    @Baud: My only standard, pants for mixed company.

  16. 16.

    Brachiator

    November 21, 2022 at 6:34 pm

    I have said this a thousand times and I will say it again: If you don’t care about trans ppl and don’t want to think about them then you should support the liberal posistion of “leaving ppl alone” instead of the conservative plan of “rigorous genital inspections in every school.”

    I used to think that general American common sense led to the idea that you leave people alone to live their lives as they see fit.

    But then the right wing, spearheaded by evangelicals insisted that they had to stop abortion in order to “save babies,” which of course let them erase women.

    And now they claim that they are “saving” trans people by preventing them from modifying their bodies because they “know” that God only makes male and female with standard body parts.

  17. 17.

    bbleh

    November 21, 2022 at 6:34 pm

    True that losing makes them angry — or angriER — but a lot of them are angry pretty much all the time anyway. They seek out things to be angry about, and if they can’t find them, they invent them. They’re anger junkies.

  18. 18.

    Baud

    November 21, 2022 at 6:35 pm

    @Qrop Non Sequitur:

    Dammit.

  19. 19.

    Qrop Non Sequitur

    November 21, 2022 at 6:37 pm

    @Baud: There are definitely no-pants parties; but those are typically, let’s say, agenda driven.

  20. 20.

    Scout211

    November 21, 2022 at 6:38 pm

    Deleted

  21. 21.

    Starfish

    November 21, 2022 at 6:38 pm

    @Qrop Non Sequitur: I see you are not inviting our blog host to any events. How rude.

  22. 22.

    Baud

    November 21, 2022 at 6:39 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Maybe I don’t have standards after all.

     
    Nominated!

  23. 23.

    Qrop Non Sequitur

    November 21, 2022 at 6:40 pm

    @Starfish: He can come. He just needs to be part of a group who comes together expecting not to wear pants. For whatever reason.

  24. 24.

    raven

    November 21, 2022 at 6:41 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: I got no class, I got no principles. . .

  25. 25.

    Qrop Non Sequitur

    November 21, 2022 at 6:42 pm

    @raven: I got class. It’s the homework that always trips me up.

  26. 26.

    raven

    November 21, 2022 at 6:45 pm

    @Qrop Non Sequitur: Alice clippin it!

  27. 27.

    Emma from Miami

    November 21, 2022 at 6:45 pm

    OK, so, who put the pepper in Buckley’s oatmeal?

  28. 28.

    Qrop Non Sequitur

    November 21, 2022 at 6:47 pm

    @Emma from Miami: Not William F. Buckley.

    William B. Fuckley

  29. 29.

    Kelly

    November 21, 2022 at 6:48 pm

    @bbleh:  but a lot of them are angry pretty much all the time anyway

    A nice even disposition, a little pissed off all the time.

  30. 30.

    Martin

    November 21, 2022 at 6:50 pm

    They’ve been losing since 2010. They’re making up for the lack of voters with violence.

  31. 31.

    Martin

    November 21, 2022 at 6:52 pm

    I wonder if MSNBC would have run a segment on abolishing billionaires if not for the Musk/Twitter fiasco. 

    If I recall correctly, some people thought I was off my rocker for even suggesting such a thing. I wonder what a poll of 18-29 year olds would think of the idea?

  32. 32.

    Geminid

    November 21, 2022 at 6:53 pm

    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that Barack Obama plans to hold a runoff rally with Senator Warnock in Atlanta on December 1st.

  33. 33.

    Fake Irishman

    November 21, 2022 at 6:55 pm

    @Baud: I suspect it might have to do with your pants-optional political positions.

  34. 34.

    HinTN

    November 21, 2022 at 6:57 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: No standards are the best standards.

  35. 35.

    Emma from Miami

    November 21, 2022 at 6:58 pm

    @Qrop Non Sequitur: Ah. All is right with the world. I was looking for further signs of the Apocalypse.

  36. 36.

    Martin

    November 21, 2022 at 6:58 pm

    Last Saturday showed my wife a video essay on the challenges of trans healthcare and how it reveals inequities in the industry that affect all of us, turns out the church sermon on Sunday was a similar topic.

    So yeah, progress is progressing.

  37. 37.

    HumboldtBlue

    November 21, 2022 at 6:59 pm

    @Geminid:

    And Walker gets Ted Cruz.

  38. 38.

    Martin

    November 21, 2022 at 7:02 pm

    something that I think is kinda interesting here that speaks to a unique phenomenon in young elite GOP types: they’re personally pretty cosmopolitan (she went to a gay club many times), while also being totally in favor of policy that treats groups like gay people as subhuman.

    How is this a new take? The GOP fucking LOVE Clarence Thomas, even the ones that would burn a cross in the front yard of every other black person. This has been true my entire life. There is nothing unique about it. See also railing against coastal elites, while every elected GOP went to 7 different Ivys and owns a yacht.

  39. 39.

    Alison Rose

    November 21, 2022 at 7:02 pm

    @Baud: All Jewish women eventually sound like moms even if we don’t have children.

  40. 40.

    HinTN

    November 21, 2022 at 7:03 pm

    @raven: Did I hear, “Come on,  Birmingham”? Yes, I did!

  41. 41.

    Kay

    November 21, 2022 at 7:03 pm

    Doubling down on the CRT, anti woke culture war bullshit:

    Shelby Talcott: More broadly, what do you view as the central issues that any Republican should be running on come 2024?
    Mike Pompeo: Yeah, they’re timeless. The central ideas of America are timeless — limited government, expanded set of freedoms, protecting the capacity of people to practice their faith. The very things I spoke about tonight — making sure we don’t teach our kids crap in schools, which we are at the center of doing.
    I tell the story often — I get asked “Who’s the most dangerous person in the world? Is it Chairman Kim, is it Xi Jinping?” The most dangerous person in the world is Randi Weingarten. It’s not a close call. If you ask, “Who’s the most likely to take this republic down?” It would be the teacher’s unions, and the filth that they’re teaching our kids, and the fact that they don’t know math and reading or writing. These are the things that candidates should speak to in a way that says, “Here’s the problem. Here’s a proposal for how to solve it. And if given the opportunity, these are the things I will go work on to try and deliver that outcome that fixes that problem.” Pretty straightforward stuff.

    I hope they run on it again.

  42. 42.

    Alison Rose

    November 21, 2022 at 7:04 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: That’s fitting, since he looks like a werewolf who got stuck mid-morph.

  43. 43.

    Kay

    November 21, 2022 at 7:06 pm

    If you don’t know (and you might not) Randi Weingarten, the person conservatives have identified as the most dangerous person in the world, is a teachers union president.

    They should definitely run on conquering Randi Weingarten. They’ll lose by more than they lost by the last time.

  44. 44.

    Baud

    November 21, 2022 at 7:06 pm

    @Kay:

    The most dangerous person in the world is Randi Weingarten. It’s not a close call. 

     
    I was hoping he’d choose me.

  45. 45.

    Baud

    November 21, 2022 at 7:08 pm

    @Kay:

    Oh thanks. I thought it was Randy Rainbow’s real name.

  46. 46.

    Chetan Murthy

    November 21, 2022 at 7:10 pm

    @Baud:

    I was hoping he’d choose me.

    You’ve retained the element of surprise!  You’ll have the drop on ’em!

  47. 47.

    Baud

    November 21, 2022 at 7:14 pm

    @Alison Rose:

    You’re going to make me eat more food, aren’t you?

  48. 48.

    Cameron

    November 21, 2022 at 7:14 pm

    @Kay: That’s really unhinged.  That doesn’t even enter the same galaxy as reality.

  49. 49.

    Kay

    November 21, 2022 at 7:15 pm

    @Baud:

    They just finished telling us they would find something new to run on. Same old shit, maybe third time is the charm?

  50. 50.

    Fake Irishman

    November 21, 2022 at 7:18 pm

    @Kay:

    she’s not even president of the largest teacher’s union in the country!

    (old AFT guy here, you actually kindly posted something to the board appealing for help when my local got in a scrape in 2012)

  51. 51.

    Barbara

    November 21, 2022 at 7:18 pm

    @Kay: ​Apparently the participants in a Republican led focus group laughed when they were asked about banning trans athletes from women’s sports. As they might have said in days gone by, what does that have to do with it price of beans?

  52. 52.

    marklar

    November 21, 2022 at 7:20 pm

    @Baud: “Oh thanks. I thought it was Randy Rainbow’s real name.”

    Believe it or not, Randy Rainbow’s real name IS Randy Rainbow (from birth)!  His father, Gerry Rainbow, was also a professional musician.

  53. 53.

    2liberal

    November 21, 2022 at 7:22 pm

    @Baud:I don’t hate trans people. Why can’t I get invited to all the cool parties?

     

    try putting some pants on!

  54. 54.

    Dan B

    November 21, 2022 at 7:23 pm

    @satby: Thanks for your sign.  I’ve known at least a half dozen trans people and worry about their safety.  There have been creeps coming to the neighborhood with the most gay bars and threatening people.

  55. 55.

    Baud

    November 21, 2022 at 7:24 pm

    @marklar:

    Whoa. How fortuitous.

  56. 56.

    Alison Rose

    November 21, 2022 at 7:26 pm

    @Baud: YES. Eat, darling, eat! Only four bowls of matzoh ball soup? Come, come, here, have more.

  57. 57.

    CaseyL

    November 21, 2022 at 7:27 pm

    @bbleh: They’re scapegoat-hunting for their generally shitty lives.   All the stuff they get enraged by – LGBTQ, CRT, etc. – is the sort of thing that, if you’re a good person or striving to be, doesn’t bother you because it’s not a threat to you.  They’re shit people, so everything is a threat to them.

  58. 58.

    Alison Rose

    November 21, 2022 at 7:27 pm

    @marklar: In his memoir, he basically said his parents shouldn’t have expected him to turn out any differently.

  59. 59.

    Kay

    November 21, 2022 at 7:30 pm

    @Fake Irishman:

    Oh I’m glad I did that.

    Weingarten, as you know, is one of the people they demonize constantly. I just think it’s amazing they believe this is a viable strategy for a presidential election- even for a losing candidate like Pompeo.

  60. 60.

    WaterGirl

    November 21, 2022 at 7:31 pm

    @Geminid: Yes!

  61. 61.

    Cameron

    November 21, 2022 at 7:33 pm

    @Kay: I wonder how many people in this country know who she is.

  62. 62.

    Kay

    November 21, 2022 at 7:36 pm

    ha! Look at that. 

    Taniel
    @Taniel 2m

    All ballots are now counted in Arizona. And Democrats have won the attorney general race, pending a recount. Mayes leads Hamadeh by 510 votes. Out of 2.5 millions! A margin of 0.02%. If recounts confirms, this means Arizona’s statewide far-right slate has all lost.

  63. 63.

    Sister Golden Bear

    November 21, 2022 at 7:36 pm

    @satby: Thank you for a sign. Trust me, it makes a difference.

    @Baud: Sorry, gotta wear pants dude.

    @Alison Rose: After all Baud needs to keep up his strength to attend the uncool parties.

  64. 64.

    Baud

    November 21, 2022 at 7:37 pm

    @Kay:

    Amazing. Hope it holds up.

  65. 65.

    Delk

    November 21, 2022 at 7:37 pm

    Making sure we don’t teach our kids crap by hiring completely unqualified people.

  66. 66.

    Kay

    November 21, 2022 at 7:38 pm

    @Cameron:

    It’s their weird “code talking” where they signal to the loonies.

    During Obama they bought a billboard that said “where’s the birth certificate?”

    Normal people thought it was a PSA, like “I really should locate my important papers”

  67. 67.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 21, 2022 at 7:38 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear: No kilts?

  68. 68.

    Ohio Mom

    November 21, 2022 at 7:39 pm

    @Kay: Did Pompeo lift that from Woody Allen?

    In the movie Sleeper, Woody Allen has woken up and is digesting the fact that he is now in the future. One of the questions he asks is, What happened to the world he knew?

    The answer is something along the lines of, “Apparently a man named Albert Shanker got a hold of an atomic bomb.”

    (For those of you unfamiliar with the NYC teacher’s union’s history, Al Shanker was a predecessor of Wengarten’s).

  69. 69.

    Sister Golden Bear

    November 21, 2022 at 7:45 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Fair enough. A dress would work too — albeit probably not a micro-mini-skirt. But I think Baud would look fetching in a designer dress.

  70. 70.

    Ohio Mom

    November 21, 2022 at 7:48 pm

    @Cameron: The reason I remember that scene from Sleeper is, I had recently moved to Cincinnati from New York and decided to take myself to the movies.

    I was the *only* person in the theater who laughed at that line, no one else had any idea who Albert Shanker was.

    So I agree with you, hardly anyone knows what Pompeo is talking about, except that he’s calling out someone Jewish. They may not even know if Randi is a man or a woman, but the anti-Semitic dog whistle is enough.

  71. 71.

    The Thin Black Duke

    November 21, 2022 at 7:48 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear: Full Frontal Baud.

  72. 72.

    Qrop Non Sequitur

    November 21, 2022 at 7:50 pm

    @Cameron: I was today years old when I learned who Randi Weingarten is.

  73. 73.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 21, 2022 at 7:53 pm

    @Ohio Mom: Oddly enough, Weingarten codes as German to me.

  74. 74.

    Citizen Alan

    November 21, 2022 at 7:59 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: My sister and I have jointly agreed that there will be absolutely no discussion of politics at Thanksgiving. Of course, my sister and I have also both quietly acknowledged the reality that when I finally get a job away from Mississippi, we will likely ever see each other again in person.

  75. 75.

    CaseyL

    November 21, 2022 at 8:02 pm

    @Qrop Non Sequitur: I’ve heard the name, but keep getting him confused with Gene Weingarten, who was the editor of the Miami Herald for many years, most of them while I was living there.

  76. 76.

    Martin

    November 21, 2022 at 8:03 pm

    @Ohio Mom: Also fits neatly in the broader category of ‘secret people who control the world’ that the GOP are so deeply invested in. That nobody knows who she is actually works in the favor of it being a winning message.

    Remember ACORN?

  77. 77.

    Qrop Non Sequitur

    November 21, 2022 at 8:04 pm

    @CaseyL: Also, too, she’s a woman. Note the ‘i’ in Randi.

  78. 78.

    zhena gogolia

    November 21, 2022 at 8:09 pm

    @Baud: Randy Rainbow’s real name is Randy Rainbow.

  79. 79.

    different-church-lady

    November 21, 2022 at 8:10 pm

    Half-baked inkling here… perhaps the problem is Twitter broke John Gabriel’s Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.

    For those unfamiliar, that equation is stated as:

    “Normal Person + Anonymity + Audience = Total Fuckwad”

    Except Twitter somehow encouraged already famous people to become Total Fuckwads, and also allowed others to become famous for being total fuckwads. Either way, the anonymity got taken out of the equation.

  80. 80.

    zhena gogolia

    November 21, 2022 at 8:11 pm

    @Ohio Mom: I love that line.

  81. 81.

    Ohio Mom

    November 21, 2022 at 8:13 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: When I take a quick look at the Cincinnati Enquirer’s obituaries, I am often flummoxed by the German Catholic names (Cincinnati is a very German Catholic town).

    Here is someone named Klein, do we know anyone he was related to? Nope, obviously not Jewish from the name of the funeral home and cemetery.

    How about this Rosenbaum? Another nope.

  82. 82.

    CaseyL

    November 21, 2022 at 8:13 pm

    @Qrop Non Sequitur: Oops, my bad.

  83. 83.

    Cameron

    November 21, 2022 at 8:23 pm

    @Qrop Non Sequitur: The only reason I knew who she was is because I used to work for an early literacy nonprofit.

  84. 84.

    Qrop Non Sequitur

    November 21, 2022 at 8:26 pm

    @Cameron: early literacy nonprofit.

    So a youth indoctrination camp.  Gotta get em early, like the cigarette companies.

  85. 85.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2022 at 8:30 pm

    Cue the teensiest violin.

    Less than three months after its public debut, the “anti-woke” banking startup GloriFi is canceling itself. Source

  86. 86.

    Steeplejack

    November 21, 2022 at 8:34 pm

    You can only play the “Well this was obviously a disturbed individual” so many times before the follow up question should ask why so many disturbed individuals are politically aligned with your messaging.

    — [email protected] (@Rschooley) November 20, 2022

  87. 87.

    Martin

    November 21, 2022 at 8:45 pm

    @NotMax: Not surprised. They want a culture war so bad and nobody will give them one.

  88. 88.

    Poe Larity

    November 21, 2022 at 8:51 pm

    Are we going to have to do a like covid zoom test and check who is commenting pantsless?

  89. 89.

    Spanky

    November 21, 2022 at 8:51 pm

    @Poe Larity: Do you really want to know?

  90. 90.

    UncleEbeneezer

    November 21, 2022 at 8:52 pm

    @Martin: Right?  There is nothing new about White People, Men, etc., having love for Black Culture, Women etc., while also voting to oppress them.  This is why you can’t trust the fact that they love marginalized cultures or individual people.

  91. 91.

    zhena gogolia

    November 21, 2022 at 8:57 pm

    Has anybody else watched Is That Black Enough for You? (Netflix) I wouldn’t say it’s a great documentary, but it is a wealth of information about films I barely remember and a lot I never heard of. Great interviews. The narration is kind of disjointed, but I’m really enjoying it.

  92. 92.

    Kent

    November 21, 2022 at 8:57 pm

    @Citizen Alan: @schrodingers_cat: My sister and I have jointly agreed that there will be absolutely no discussion of politics at Thanksgiving. Of course, my sister and I have also both quietly acknowledged the reality that when I finally get a job away from Mississippi, we will likely ever see each other again in person

    There will likely be political discussions at our Thanksgiving.  But it will mostly be consensus about the horror that is today’s right wing. I don’t bother to invite any MAGA dipshits even though I’m related to plenty.  All extended family not immediate family.

    About 5 years ago I decided that life is too short to deal with hateful dipshits so I don’t anymore.  Even if they are family.  And if I end up stuck with them I am merciless and don’t put up with any of their bullshit.

  93. 93.

    lashonharangue

    November 21, 2022 at 8:58 pm

    @Kay:

    All ballots are now counted in Arizona. And Democrats have won the attorney general race, pending a recount. Mayes leads Hamadeh by 510 votes. Out of 2.5 millions! A margin of 0.02%. If recounts confirms, this means Arizona’s statewide far-right slate has all lost.

    If this holds up maybe Four Directions was the difference.  Way to go jackals!

  94. 94.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    November 21, 2022 at 9:02 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    How about Baud in chaps and a thong? I’d vote for that!

  95. 95.

    Cameron

    November 21, 2022 at 9:04 pm

    @Qrop Non Sequitur: First they demand a classroom library, then it’s litter boxes, then…

  96. 96.

    Cameron

    November 21, 2022 at 9:08 pm

    @Poe Larity: What, like a Toobin roll call?

  97. 97.

    frosty

    November 21, 2022 at 9:10 pm

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: Eewww!!! Pass the eye bleach, please!

  98. 98.

    cain

    November 21, 2022 at 9:11 pm

    @Kay: It would seem that it is them who have logic problems – they keep thinking 1+1  = 3. They are complaining about math??? Motherfucker…

  99. 99.

    Qrop Non Sequitur

    November 21, 2022 at 9:13 pm

    @Cameron: The slippery slope is not a logical fallacy. Change my mind.

  100. 100.

    Poe Larity

    November 21, 2022 at 9:20 pm

    @Cameron: Only for the lawyers here

  101. 101.

    matt

    November 21, 2022 at 9:22 pm

    The conservative alliance is presented as a weird marriage of convenience between real conservatives who dress nicely and don’t cuss and Donald Trump who looks weird and cusses.

    I think the real battle is between weird theofascists who want to set up a Christian dictatorship and the rest, who don’t really want that. Trump looked weird and acted weird, but his political instincts were to seek out majorities, while the theofascists just want to set up some kind of weird fascist state so they can experiment on the citizens of the richest country that ever existed.

  102. 102.

    cain

    November 21, 2022 at 9:23 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: ​
     
    I have the perfect mastodon account for you to follow – https://mastodon.social/@[email protected]

  103. 103.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    November 21, 2022 at 9:32 pm

    Don’t know if this was mentioned earlier today, but Mary Peltola and Murkowski are projected to win, according to Indian Country:

    With most ballots cast, the two incumbents and ov. Mike Dunleavy have insurmountable leads, even with ranked choice sorting ahead #NativeVote22.
    All three incumbents likely clinched final victory in Alaska’s statewide elections Friday, as the Alaska Division of Elections updated results with thousands of additional absentee, questioned and early ballots from this fall’s general election.
    Final unofficial results will not be available until 4 p.m. Wednesday, when the division implements the state’s new ranked choice sorting system, but voting trends have made the results clear in most races.

  104. 104.

    rikyrah

    November 21, 2022 at 9:48 pm

     

    Sons of Killmonger & Disciple of Dark Brandon (@2Strong2Silence) tweeted at 1:27 PM on Mon, Nov 21, 2022:
    Just a reminder: 👱‍♀️ saw Hillary as the enemy. BW saw themselves in her. The 53% club never forgave her for being strong & not willing to stand in a man’s shadow. Black women saw themselves, WW saw what they coulda been if they had courage.
    (https://twitter.com/2Strong2Silence/status/1594774574935478272?s=02)

  105. 105.

    Sister Golden Bear

    November 21, 2022 at 10:01 pm

    Yes, it’s on the bird hellsite, but I haven’t found it elsewhere.

    This interview with the hero who took down the Club Q gunman. OMG.

    Perhaps a mod could embed the full post (not sure if video can play on embedded tweets).

  106. 106.

    Jeffro

    November 21, 2022 at 10:10 pm

    @Kay: Pompeo: If you ask, “Who’s the most likely to take this republic down?” It would be the teacher’s unions, and the filth that they’re teaching our kids

    I hope they DON’T run on this insanity – some school or schools somewhere is going to get shot up

  107. 107.

    JWR

    November 21, 2022 at 10:24 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear: Yes, a front pager can do what you ask, (post a video in comments) and yes, that video is short but powerful.

  108. 108.

    Suzanne

    November 21, 2022 at 10:25 pm

    @Barbara:

    Apparently the participants in a Republican led focus group laughed when they were asked about banning trans athletes from women’s sports. 

    I always thought this was so fucking weird. Like…..even if this is something you care about (you suck, but that’s beside my point)…. This is such SMALL BALL (no pun intended). I could not care less which team wins a football game or who wins the swimming race. Especially at the high school level, what kind of person has this as a primary concern for government?!

  109. 109.

    danielx

    November 21, 2022 at 10:36 pm

    @Baud:

    I am sure your invitation to CPAC is in the mail.

  110. 110.

    Ruckus

    November 21, 2022 at 11:17 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Dude, you have standards.

    May take an express 67 floor basement elevator to get low enough to find them but they are there……

  111. 111.

    Ruckus

    November 21, 2022 at 11:20 pm

    @Qrop Non Sequitur:

    Only pants?

    Worn or displayed?

    Piled or folded?

  112. 112.

    JWR

    November 21, 2022 at 11:23 pm

    @Ruckus:

    Corduroy or jeans?

  113. 113.

    Ruckus

    November 21, 2022 at 11:28 pm

    @CaseyL:

    They’re shit people, so everything is a threat to them.

    Should be a rotating tag.

  114. 114.

    Ruckus

    November 21, 2022 at 11:29 pm

    @JWR:

    Yes.

  115. 115.

    Ruckus

    November 21, 2022 at 11:34 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    But I think Baud would look fetching in a designer dress.

    Are you trying to ruin the concept of a dress?

    No, just fucking NO.

  116. 116.

    JWR

    November 21, 2022 at 11:36 pm

    @Ruckus: ;)

  117. 117.

    Martin

    November 22, 2022 at 12:29 am

    @Suzanne: I think you’re misreading it. The trans athlete thing is a measure, not a policy. They don’t care about it. They care about whether they can control it or not. If they can, they have cultural authority. If they can’t then they don’t. That’s is a small ball thing is what makes it a good measure – almost nobody is *personally* invested in it so it’s a good cultural touchstone, a good example of raw political power.

  118. 118.

    FastEdD

    November 22, 2022 at 12:40 am

    Hey Mike Pompeo you potato in a suit, you go after my union and you go after us all. I have seen a 5 foot 2 math teacher hold back 100 screaming high schoolers with just her sheer force of will. I have knocked on half the doors in Portland to elect Jeff Merkley as US Senator, and AFT was just getting started. Randi Weingarten can eat you as a side dish.

  119. 119.

    mrmoshpotato

    November 22, 2022 at 1:44 am

    @FastEdD:

    Hey Mike Pompeo you potato in a suit 

    Bonasera, Bonasera, what have we spuds ever done to make you treat us so disrespectfully?

  120. 120.

    LiminalOwl

    November 22, 2022 at 5:00 am

    @Ohio Mom: I saw Sleeper with my father, who had something of a personal feud with Shanker. Thank you for the memory.

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