Putin had a bit too much champagne earlier today:
Drunk putin explains why strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure will continue because "they started first by attacking the Crimean bridge" pic.twitter.com/fQeRuNo4Pu
— Dmitri (@wartranslated) December 8, 2022
Who could’ve possibly predicted that this was Putin’s thinking and motivation? Eez a puzzlement!
Before we go further I just want to make two quick points regarding the exchange that has brought Brittney Griner home. First, given the churlish and vile responses to the news from the usual suspects it is important to remember that Bout’s life is going to be significantly less safe than it was in the SuperMax in the US. Bout’s arms deals made a lot of enemies. There are a lot of states and non-state actors, both groups and individuals, that want him dead. I expect that sooner or later, and I reckon it’ll be sooner, he’s going to fall out a window or get beat up by his sink, bathtub, and/or toilet or somehow shoot and/or stab himself in the back multiple times. Or all of the above! Moreover, he really can’t just pick up the arms business where he left off. Both because it has changed since we scarfed him up, tried him, and put him away and because he’s going to be watched by our and our allies’ and partners’ intelligence services. Additionally, by returning him, US taxpayers are no longer paying to house, feed, clothe, and provide him with medical care. The administration will continue to work quietly and diligently to get Paul Whelan home. But exchanging Bout for Griner isn’t the catastrophe that the usual suspects are making it out to be.
Second, here’s the real reason that Paul Whelan is still in a Russian prison:
The Griner trade obviously had a huge mismatch in "value", but this trade would dwarf even that.
— Aric Toler (@AricToler) December 8, 2022
And even if President Biden was willing to exchange Krasikov for Whelan, it isn’t his call to make. He’s got to get the German’s to agree to do it as a favor to us/for us.
Here is a much more sober President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump.
Fellow Ukrainians!
I have just signed the decrees on awarding posthumously the policemen whose lives were taken yesterday in the Kherson region by Russian mines.
The title of Hero of Ukraine was awarded to police colonel Mykhailo Kuratchenko. Orders “For Courage” – to police captains Ihor Melnyk and Serhiy Nenada and police corporal Vadym Perizhko.
Once again, my condolences…
They did everything for the safety of Ukrainians. Already returning after completing one of the tasks, when they removed weapons and ammunition from the cache of the occupiers, many of which were left in the Kherson region, the policemen stumbled upon a mine trap.
And this is the form of Russian terror that will have to be countered for years to come. Terrorists deliberately try to leave behind as many death traps as possible. Buried landmines, tripwire mines, mined buildings, cars and infrastructure… This is more than 170 thousand square kilometers of dangerous territory.
I am sure: this will be among the charges against Russia for aggression – precisely mine terror. Which is even more cruel and meaner than a missile one, because there is no anti-mine system that could destroy at least part of the threat, as our air defense does.
I am grateful to all our partners who help Ukraine with demining. Canada, Japan, Great Britain, Slovakia, ambassadors and donors of United24 and many others who understand how important it is that Ukraine is not left alone with the problem of the territory mined by the occupiers.
I met today with representatives of Slovakia, the government delegation – ministers of foreign affairs, defense and economy. We discussed the existing cooperation between our states both at the bilateral level and in the structures of the European Union. We agreed on new solutions for the sake of our common security and political interests.
We are actively working to support and strengthen the next sanctions against Russia – by European, American and other partners. The issue of the ninth EU sanctions package is currently in progress.
We are also waiting for other decisions, in particular, regarding schemes for circumventing anti-war sanctions, including financial and energy ones.
We are preparing several important events – for tomorrow and next week. Protecting and restoring the rights of our people, rebuilding Ukraine are constant priorities. The next week will be quite important for Ukraine in terms of these two tasks.
I thank all those who fight for freedom!
I thank everyone who strengthens our state and helps our people!
Eternal memory to everyone who gave their lives for Ukraine!
Glory to Ukraine!
Speaking of Hero of Ukraine awardees:
Major Vadym Voroshylov, call sign Karaya, shot down 2 missiles and 5 drones during a ruscist attack on Vinnytsia. A photo of his bloodied face went viral. On December 5, President @ZelenskyyUa signed a decree awarding him the title of Hero of Ukraine, Order of the Gold Star. pic.twitter.com/b0iH9QXw4N
— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) December 8, 2022
CONTEXT: Zelensky has issued a decree granting fighter pilot Vadym “Karaya” Voroshylov the Hero of Ukraine title
— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) December 8, 2022
Lord, guard and guide the men who fly
Through the great spaces in the sky.
Be with them always in the air,
In darkening storms or sunlight fair;
Oh, hear us when we lift our prayer,
For those in peril in the air!
Mary C. D. Hamilton (1915)
Loading… pic.twitter.com/4tusnZ8iG7
— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) December 8, 2022
Here is former NAVDEVGRU Squadron Leader Chuck Pfarrer’s most recent assessments of the situations in Kremenna and Bakhmut:
KREMENNA/0230 UTC 8 DEC/ UKR is exploiting the interdiction of the P-66 HWY between Ploschanka and Chervonopopivka. Tactical pressure is being exerted on Kremenna in the north, at Zhytiivika, and south of of the urban area at Shypylivka. pic.twitter.com/YjHccdrwKY
— Chuck Pfarrer | Indications & Warnings | (@ChuckPfarrer) December 8, 2022
BAKHMUT AXIS/1400 UTC 8 DEC/ Heavy fighting continues as RU presses platoon & company sized assaults on the line of contact. Reports indicate that a Russian assault south of the H-32 HWY has reached the embankment of a retention pond on the Bakhmutka River north-east of Ivangrad. pic.twitter.com/0S4QWFpLbQ
— Chuck Pfarrer | Indications & Warnings | (@ChuckPfarrer) December 8, 2022
As we accurately identified here back in February:
PRESS RELEASE: #Belgium files a declaration of intervention under Article 63 of the #ICJ Statute in the case concerning Allegations of Genocide under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (#Ukraine v. #Russia) https://t.co/hsxVBaZRBn pic.twitter.com/McmK39bOfL
— CIJ_ICJ (@CIJ_ICJ) December 7, 2022
Recall that Biden used “genocide” to describe Russia’s actions in Ukraine in April. He said then: “I called it genocide because it’s become clearer and clearer that Putin is just trying to wipe out even the idea of being Ukrainian. The evidence is mounting.” https://t.co/fFlUDbaOgI
— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) December 7, 2022
The Starlink Snowflake strikes again:
Both twitter and meta have decided to severely restrict Ukraine related content now
The reach of the @saintjavelin account on twitter has dropped by 50% and @Meta just deleted Saint Javelin from Instagram https://t.co/A2p0xtl9R4
— Christian Borys (@ItsBorys) December 8, 2022
Here’s a couple of things for you mapping/geospatial enthusiasts:
The lines can be seen on our map here: https://t.co/oe6rzBBXEV by clicking the "Russian defensive lines" folder visible.
We didn't think and didn't colour code dragon's teeth, AT ditches or trenches from each other. We'll get it done in the future once we have the time!
— John Helin (@J_JHelin) December 8, 2022
In coordination with @bellingcat, @GeoConfirmed, and the wider open source community, CIR launched the Eyes on Russia project in January 2022 to collect and verify photos, satellite imagery, videos, and other media related to the Putin regime’s invasion of Ukraine. 2/8
— C4ADS (@C4ADS) December 8, 2022
Consider the Bakhmut hospital, in the Donetsk region. Through the Eyes on Russia Map, we can see just how badly this medical building had been damaged, supporting efforts to collect evidence of Russia’s targeting of civilian infrastructure. 4/8 pic.twitter.com/sc3S80rqI0
— C4ADS (@C4ADS) December 8, 2022
C4ADS & CIR produced this map to allow anyone to easily filter, sort, and track the real-world impact of Russia’s military adventurism on the Ukrainian people. It offers unprecedented insight into the ways this war affects those living in conflict zones, even across distance. 6/8
— C4ADS (@C4ADS) December 8, 2022
The Eyes on Russia Map sets a new standard for open source reporting, helping global stakeholders better understand the consequences of the Putin regime’s aggression and make informed decisions to counter them. 8/8
More 👇https://t.co/GcGwtXMwgI pic.twitter.com/jjEU4Ie0Z5
— C4ADS (@C4ADS) December 8, 2022
While hope is not a strategy, where there’s life, there’s hope:
These are the conditions in which children are born in Kyiv: with lots of love and sandbags in the windows to protect them from the evil from the east.
📷Getty Images pic.twitter.com/YaXIuhGHHp
— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) December 8, 2022
That’s enough for tonight.
Your daily Patron.
There’s still no new tweets from Patron, but here’s a clandestine Ukrainian cat with its own personal security detail to tide you over:
Not Ukraine’s Security Service protecting identity of a cat 😁😂 pic.twitter.com/sxotkNXGmN
— Kateryna_Kruk (@Kateryna_Kruk) December 8, 2022
And a new video from Patron’s official TikTok:
@patron__dsns Навіть не знаю, кому пощастило більше😌 #песпатрон
The caption machine translates as:
I don’t even know who is luckier😌 #PatrontheDog
Open thread!
zhena gogolia
Putler sounds exactly the same as he always does. What makes them think he’s drunk?
Martin
Adam, not Ukraine, but thoughts on reports of attacks on substations in South Carolina, Oregon, and Washington? These seem less determined and competently executed, but sounds like they’re leaning more toward disrupting LGBTQ+ events in NC as the motive for the NC attack.
Martin
@zhena gogolia: What makes you think he isn’t normally drunk?
zhena gogolia
@Martin: That’s not his problem. Psychopathy is.
Martin
@zhena gogolia: Well, yeah, but those aren’t mutually exclusive.
zhena gogolia
@Martin: Whatever. He is not drunk in that clip.
Amir Khalid
Come on, Vova. Just who do you think you’re fooling? The whole world knows you were bombing Ukraine’s civilian infrastructure from day one of the reinvasion. And that is most definitely a war crime.
Tony G
The reaction by Donald Trump Junior, Charlie Kirk and other fascist lowlifes to Brittney Griner being freed is repulsive but entirely predictable. She’s a Black lesbian. Therefore, in their ideology, she deserves to be in a prison camp for life.
dr. bloor
Particularly since the preponderance of Bout’s victims were Africans and South Americans, not “us.”
Amir Khalid
@dr. bloor:
You’re not letting go of this, are you?
Adam L Silverman
@Martin: Nothing has changed from what I wrote the other night when asked. With one addition. We need to understand that the attacks today are somewhere between the 18th and 20th attacks at electrical substations since the attack in NC. It’s just that the others haven’t gotten a lot of national coverage.
The idea that small, compartmented cells of “patriots” bringing the power grid down to grind American society to a halt and create the opening to overthrow the government is a staple of neo-fascist, neo-NAZI, and white supremacist ideology and fiction. It is similar to the Day X belief of the people in the neo-fascist and neo-NAZI networks that the German government began rolling up yesterday. In this scenario the members of the group or groups detonate EMPs to bring down the power grid. I expect they believe it would work like the scene from Captain America: Civil War where Zemo takes down the power grid in Berlin with an EMP at the connecting node power station just outside the city. And, as I mentioned the other night, these types of attacks have been going on since at least 2013 when a substation was shot up in rural California.
The outstanding question is whether these are all part of at least a semi-coordinated campaign or if we’ve got stochastic and/or opportunistic terrorist attacks via copycat because the NC attack got so much coverage.
Dan B
@Martin: The drag show in NC went on with people using their cell phone flashlights. The photo I saw looked dramatic. Queens rule!
David 🦃The Establishment🥧 Koch
Brittney Griner was released 36 hrs after polls in Georgia closed.
🤔 Hmmm – it’s as if Putin was holding on to Griner in an attempt to damage Biden with Black voters to depress base turnout and help republicans win. Now with the elections complete, he was willing to accept the mismatched deal that had been on the table for six months.
Dan B
Adam; Thanks for the info about Bout’s prospects. No job and lots of enemies is not a bright, or long, future.
Alison Rose
What the fuck, Zuck. Just putting the pro-russia stance right out there in the open, eh…
The tweet about Whelan is helpful–I’ve had a couple of friends on FB whining that if Biden could get Griner out, he could get Whelan too, and it’s messed up that he didn’t even try, blah blah. I tried to point out that since he was “convicted” of “spying” it would likely be much harder to negotiate regarding him, and to also gently note that while I am certain russian prison is absolute hell for anyone, a Black queer woman is gonna have, let’s say, a slightly more difficult time there. So this info is helpful and will hopefully make them rethink their kvetching.
Politico Europe named Zelenskyy as the continent’s most powerful person for next year and he recorded a short English video they played at the ceremony to say thank you on behalf of the Ukrainian people. It’s amazing how someone like him can be so genuinely modest. A portion:
Thank you as always. Adam.
oldster
The secret service pixelated the cat’s face…
because the cat is the head of the secret service.
Come on, people! Wise up! You think that’s a group of agents around a pet? Hell no. That’s the master cat, and they are merely the cat’s paws.
Amir Khalid
@David 🦃The Establishment🥧 Koch:
Well, why not? It worked for Iran in the hostage crisis of 1980-81.
pluky
Call me shallow if you must, but Major Voroshylov is a honey!
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
Whelan is a piece of shit resume fluffer who ripped off the DOD and has a Big Chicken Dinner to his credit – I’m assuming that he was into some shady industrial espionage shit done in a halfass way when he got picked up.
No way he’d be included in any Griner trade.
dr. bloor
@Amir Khalid: No. And I am not embarrassed to do so. Two things can be true:
I’m delighted that Griner is home where she belongs. She got screwed over, and I have no problem with negotiating with bad actors to get to outcomes that benefit the Greater Good.
I am appalled at the blithe, Olympic-broadcast feel-good response to swapping a multicontinent plague for an entitled idiot. Everything that happened to her was horrible, and nothing was fair, but putting yourself in the position for that to happen after having LIVED AND WORKED IN RUSSIA FOR SEVERAL YEARS involves some heavy lifting.
Dan B
Also of note is that the heroic marine Paul Whelan was dishonorably discharged. He committed a slew of crimes.
As d
Deputize at 20 noted.
Adam L Silverman
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: Regardless, we don’t leave our own behind to be used as political pawns by dictators.
Adam L Silverman
@dr. bloor: If I had thought that, which I don’t, I would have written it. That I didn’t should tell you something.
Kent
@Alison Rose: Trump had 2 years to get Whelan out and didn’t get it done when relations were much warmer between the US and Russa and Trump was supposed to be on bro terms with Putin.
The Russians want MORE for Whelan than Griner because he’s a white guy. That much is pretty clear.
counterfactual
Kamil Gallen has another thought-provoking twitter thread (threadreaderapp link: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1600551806429544452.html). Like many people, he thinks that if Russia fails in Ukraine, regions may break away. Unlike most, he doesn’t think it will be along ethnic lines, but in oblasts with Russian majorities and strong economies that now send most of their taxes to Moscow.
From his map and some maps of Russia, I think he’s pointing out from east to west:
I’m hoping this is the first of a series of threads on the topic.
Betty
The report about Twitter and St. Javelin prompted me to follow the account. I hope some others do as well.
ian
Hey friends, I’m not sure demonizing either Whelan or Griner right now is something we are required to do or serves any valid purpose. Their mistakes they may have committed don’t warrant extended lock up in Russia. Even with the worst case assumptions about either of them, I would want and expect the government of the United States to try and get them released.
dr. bloor
@Adam L Silverman: It did.
Dan B
@Adam L Silverman: Very true. At the same time the right wing shows their prejudice that a black lesbian is not a “real” American while an ex Marine with a dishonorable discharge is a Patriot.
Cameron
@counterfactual: Interesting. Thank you!
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Adam L Silverman:
Sure, but that’s why his family has been playing low key – they know he’s damaged goods, and while they want him back, they don’t want him scrutinized too much by the Central Scrutinizer….
Andrya
@oldster:
Macavity’s a mystery cat, he’s called the Hiddenpaw
For he’s the master criminal who can defy the law
He’s the bafflement of Scotland Yard, the Flying Squad’s despair
For when they reach the scene of crime, Macavity’s not there
Macavity, Macavity, there’s no one like Macavity
He’s broken every human law, he breaks the law of gravity
His powers of levitation would make a fakir stare
But when they reach the scene of crime, Macavity’s not there
He’s outwardly respectable, I know, he cheats at cards
And his footprints are not found in a-any files of Scotland Yard’s
And when the larder’s looted and the jewel case is rifled
Or when the milk is missing or another peke’s been stifled
Or the greenhouse glass is broken and the trellis past repair
There’s the wonder of the thing, Macavity’s not there
Adam L Silverman
@dr. bloor: I think you misunderstand my point. And since I’m not working on a lot of sleep this week I’m going to clarify once on the assumption that I wasn’t as clear as I could be and in the hope that you’ll get off of my last nerve (until I can get some sleep). Our exchanging bout is not a catastrophe not because of who the majority of the people were and where the majority of the people lived that were killed by the weapons he trafficked. Our exchanging him for Griner is not meant and should not be interpreted to minimize what those victims suffered. It’s not a catastrophe because he’d served a good chunk of his sentence and, more importantly, because I fully expect one of his victims or someone acting on their behalf is going to seek out their own, much more personal justice. I will be surprised if he is still alive in 2024.
Dan B
@ian: Agreed. The Griner / Whelan says more about the right wing in the US than it does about either of them.
Also there is another American locked up in Russia on what seems to be trumped up charges who is not being mentioned.
zhena gogolia
@Adam L Silverman: He’s been fucking that chicken since early this morning.
persistentillusion
@dr. bloor: You know, you are going to make me break a promise; I wasn’t going to pie bots. But you are exceptional, and I’ll be happy to pie you.
Adam L Silverman
@zhena gogolia: I have the time and energy to do this post. I don’t think I’ve read anything else on the site since February.
trollhattan
Whoops, one thread beyond.
oldster
@Andrya:
Well done! And done from memory, I suspect.
Yes, I was thinking about Macavity myself when I saw the group of Security Service members standing around the cat.
Gin & Tonic
@Betty: It may not surprise you (or others) to know that I follow a lot of Ukrainian and Ukrainian-related Twitter accounts, in English and in Ukrainian. What I and others are observing is congruent with what St. Javelin is reporting. I don’t know about Meta, since I am not a user of their products, but I am seeing a lot less Ukraine-related content on Twitter than I did, say, a month ago.
Haroldo
Once again, thank you, Adam.
Chetan Murthy
It should go without saying, that we should all be glad that we got Ms. Griner home. Since somebody said something about “she was an idiot for working in Russia in the first place”, I wanna address that. B/c I too sometimes succumb to that reflex: “WTF was he/she doing there?” But the thing is, our country has had trade relations with Russia, our country allows our allies to have normal trade relations with Russia, for a long while. If we’re going to allow our multinationals to trade in Russia and with Russia, it’s a double standard to then expect that American citizens will avoid Russia like the plague. After all, Dell is going to send their employees to Russia: what should we say if one of them is taken hostage?
Asking Ms. Griner to live up to a higher standard than our biggest corporations is simply wrong.
Jay
Jay
Carlo Graziani
Thanks for doing the update, Adam. Your work here is always appreciated.
dr. luba
Patron:
“You’re such a courageous dog, your human is very lucky.”
You simply have never seen my human.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
They also seem to take a lot of inspiration from the movie V for Vendetta. But this all seems like some variation of The Turner Diaries; there is a big kaboom and that oppressed silent majority stops what they doing, stands up as the Thundercats signal flashes i they turn en mass and attack the libertard oppressor.
Comical motivations or not, things blowing up gets people hurt and killed.
Anoniminous
@counterfactual:
Chinese have never happy with the Amur Annexation.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@counterfactual: from that link
Hmm that Ukraine is seen by these ethnic Russian as Russia light would give the ethnic Russian regions extra to incentive bail and find new alliances because it says Moscow is bat shit nuts and killing it’s own.
Jay
counterfactual
@Anoniminous: I see lots of folks saying that China can only gain by the fall of Russia. I have my doubts, but they’re more feelings than supported by facts, so I won’t defend them. tl;dr: China is not going to walk over a divided Russia.
I feel that the People’s Liberation Army is almost as hollow as the Russian armed forces, and the hidden creeping corruption of the Xi regime is hollowing it more.
A population of depressed drunken nihilists is bad for finding soldiers for offense, but a great fertile field for insurgents and partisans. Any visible Chinese attempt to take over Russian territory, no matter how soft, will provoke atrocities by Russians on Chinese that will make Daesh look like kindergarteners.
China has its own internal fissures. In the sort of divisions that Galeev is talking about, the division between Beijing (insular, militarist, centralizing) and the south around Shanghai (cosmopolitan, trading-oriented) go back a millennium.
Kent
@counterfactual: China likely has no interest in any military conquest of Siberia. That would be insane. More likely Chinese companies will just move in and buy every asset there at 10 cents on the dollar (or ruble).
And as part of that process they’ll likely buy off every relevant government administrator in the reason and have them all in their pocket. All those disgruntled poor Ukraine vets drifting around Siberia? They’ll all get jobs working security at newly Chinese-owned factories and other economic assets. That is how China takes over eastern Russia.
Another Scott
@counterfactual: Made me look.
Sino-Soviet Border Conflict of 1969:
There’s fractal layers of complexity all the way down over there.
VVP kicked a hornet’s nest and then tried to set it on fire with wet matches. Nobody knows how all of this is going to turn out for russia, and China is apparently in no hurry to let history take its course…
Slava Ukraini!!
Cheers,
Scott.
Captain C
@Jay: If you go down the thread there’s a link to one about the food the Mobiks (and possibly other Russian soldiers) are eating; the thread author claims to have actually tried some of them (I kind of gagged just looking):
frosty
@Alison Rose: The rhetoric in this speech is really powerful. The repetition of common will, common dream, and common goal really makes the point and ties it together.
Captain C
@Kent:
This. Let the local governments deal with the costs and flak of administration and quietly extract the profits.
Captain C
Regarding drunk Putin: Wasn’t he supposedly a teetotaler? Was this always a lie? Did he just say fuckit recently and start drinking, and thus can’t really handle his liquor? Also, maybe the person holding the camera was a little potted too; the image wasn’t exactly steady.
frosty
@Adam L Silverman: I didn’t know that. I spend far too much time on Balloon-Juice and I appreciate all your contributions. Hoping some time in the not too distant future these posts won’t be necessary and you can get back to applying your expertise to other topics on the site.
Thanks!
Steeplejack
@Captain C:
Maybe give your snark detector a whack.
Captain C
@Steeplejack: I think I was fooled by the drunken cameraman. Though I have seen drunks with more coherent rambles.
Jay
@Captain C:
saw a vid early on, after the Orc’s were pushed back from Kiev, of the FSRU “rations”, recovered from abandoned positions and vehicles. Expired in 2009, while a co-contributor of the tweeter, posted shots of FSRU “rations” from 2022, good until 2030, for sale on the black market in Russia.
They opened the “rations” but quickly gave up the idea of eating them after a few tries. The “meat paste” was rancid, a can of “pate” was just canned fat, etc.
YY_Sima Qian
I have written before that it makes no sense for the ethnic Russians who make up > 90% of the population of the 4 most populous Krais & Oblasts in Russian Far East to sever themselves off from Moscow. W/o Moscow’s backing, these 4 million Russians become an isolated community of white Christians living next to hundreds of millions of East Asians. A very poor Australia, w/o a moat of water around its territory, but w/ an equally enticingly abundance of natural resources. They will quickly become a resource appendage to China+Japan+South Korea, likely w/ each carving out a sphere of influence, or becomes a battleground for Chinese/Japanese/South Korea interests to fight over, literally & figuratively. The Russians of the Far East are far more paranoid about “Yellow Peril” than the Russians of Moscow.
Sure, these far eastern district would like maximal autonomy from Moscow, but they still want to enjoy Moscow’s subsidies (these may become a trickle going forward), & they still want Moscow’s nukes to backstop their interests vis-a-vis their East Asian neighbors.
BTW, if China really wanted to take over the 4 populous far eastern districts, w/ Russian nukes not a factor, it can settle 20M Chinese there, outnumber every ethnic Russian 5 to 1, & let every Russian who wants to leave go west. Good luck mounting an effective insurgency w/ that kind of demographics.
bjacques
I’ve got tankie/anti-colonial bro friends on FB who’ve also decided to chime in on Greiner/Bout being a stupid trade. Go figure.
So it’s a bonus, besides saving Brittney’s life, that it’s really eating their ass that Biden has pulled off another win.
Miss Bianca
@pluky: well, if you’re shallow, I’m shallow too, because even all bloodied up I thought he looked fiiiine, and cleaned up…mmm, mmm, mmm, even finer!