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You are here: Home / Absent Friends / Covering Funeral Expenses for Tammy (John Cole’s Best Friend)

Covering Funeral Expenses for Tammy (John Cole’s Best Friend)

by WaterGirl|  December 15, 20227:30 am| 140 Comments

This post is in: Absent Friends, Open Threads

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First published on Wednesday at 3:11 pm, but it was off the front page this morning, so reposting for anyone who didn’t see this yesterday.

Hey everybody,

Most of you probably know that John lost his best friend (and soulmate) Tammy last Tuesday.  In case you missed it, here’s the post where John shared his sad news.

RIP, Tammy Whitacre

We created a GoFundMe to cover funeral-related expenses for Tammy, and  John asked me if I would share it with all of you.

On 6 December 2022, one of the most wonderful people to ever grace the planet, Tammy Whitacre, was found unresponsive at home and subsequently pronounced dead.

My name is John Cole, and Tammy was my best friend in the world.

Tammy’s sudden loss, with no warning, is an absolute shock to her husband, family, and friends. Unrelated medical expenses this past year had already wreaked havoc on their finances.

Please consider a donation to help cover the unexpected funeral costs and to make things just a tiny bit easier for her surviving family.

If you are inclined to contribute, here’s a link to the GoFundMe.

I cry every time I see a photo of Tammy – even in photos, she has a light about her that shines through, and it always seems impossible when someone like that is gone.

One way we can help John is to help him help Brian.  What a terrible loss.

RIP, Tammy Whitacre 3

Covering Funeral Expenses for Tammy (John's Best Friend)

Tammy with sweet Lily, and what I presume are Cole’s legs.

Covering Funeral Expenses for Tammy (John's Best Friend) 2

John asked me to figure out what amount would cover funeral expenses, which is a little tricky because Brian is struggling, as you can imagine, so we can’t really ask him for details.  I did some research and came up with an estimate of $15,000, but when I mentioned the amount to my good friend who recently lost her mom in Kentucky, she thought that would likely only cover the bare minimum, so I have set the goal at $20,000.  So if that amount seems wrong to anyone, point your fingers at me.

 

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  1. 1.

    Bunter

    December 14, 2022 at 3:20 pm

    When my mother died in 2018, she’d prepaid for the funeral about $20,000 and we still owed somewhere between another $2000-5000. I don’t recall exactly because, well, I mean, Mom. But I’d assume a minimum of $20,000.

  2. 2.

    middlelee

    December 14, 2022 at 3:23 pm

    Done.  Thanks for letting us help.

  3. 3.

    locanicole

    December 14, 2022 at 3:27 pm

    Done. Hope this helps the family.

  4. 4.

    Betty Cracker

    December 14, 2022 at 3:35 pm

    Glad to pitch in. I’ve been thinking of Tammy’s family and friends and am thankful to have a way to help.

  5. 5.

    Seanly

    December 14, 2022 at 3:36 pm

    Chipped in. Hope they’re able to get more than enough.

    I’m so sorry that John lost a dear friend and that Brian lost his spouse.

  6. 6.

    cain

    December 14, 2022 at 3:41 pm

    @Bunter: 20K for a funeral? Lawd. I’m getting cremated. (which is what Hindus usually do) I’ll get my ashes buried in a garden to help plants grow or maybe just have people just throw it up the air and let the wind take it!

    ETA and also people singing “Wellerman” as loudly as they can while tossing said ashes. I want it as absurd as I can get it!

  7. 7.

    PhaedrusOnBass

    December 14, 2022 at 3:41 pm

    Done. As Hawkeye Pierce once said, “Never let it be said that I didn’t do the least I could do.”

    My condolences to Tammy’s family, as well as to John.

  8. 8.

    CaseyL

    December 14, 2022 at 3:41 pm

    Done.  On top of everything else, Brian absolutely should not have to sweat over paying for this.

  9. 9.

    cain

    December 14, 2022 at 3:43 pm

    I will look into pitching in. Sudden death is so hard and hopefully her husband can get some self help or therapy to get through this devastating loss.

  10. 10.

    karen marie

    December 14, 2022 at 3:43 pm

    @cain:  I won’t get into why I had custody of my ex-husband’s corpse but I had a local-to-Massachusetts mortuary school do the whole shebang, including a funeral service (I didn’t attend and told no one about it).  It was free.

  11. 11.

    WaterGirl

    December 14, 2022 at 3:44 pm

    @CaseyL: Yes.  Years ago i had a friend who had 3 days between jobs, and therefore 3 days with no health insurance.  She miscarried during those 3 days – to say that paying for the medical bills out of pocket added insult to injury during that time of loss didn’t even begin to cover it.

  12. 12.

    Poe Larity

    December 14, 2022 at 3:47 pm

    Done, thx

  13. 13.

    persistentillusion

    December 14, 2022 at 3:52 pm

    Done.  Such sad news.  Thank you WG for organizing this as you always do.  Being able to help in some small way helps.

  14. 14.

    evap

    December 14, 2022 at 3:52 pm

    Done.  As others have said, I’m glad that there is something I can do to help.

  15. 15.

    Old School

    December 14, 2022 at 3:55 pm

    @cain:

    I’m getting cremated.

    The price isn’t dramatically different.

    According to funeralocity, the average price in West Virginia for a traditional burial is $7K while a cremation is $6K.

  16. 16.

    CarolPW

    December 14, 2022 at 4:00 pm

    @CaseyL: ​
     Or modify whatever ritual he needs to fit within a particular budget. If he wants her to be hauled to the damned cemetery in a horse-drawn caisson we can make that happen. Donated.

  17. 17.

    Barbara

    December 14, 2022 at 4:01 pm

    I donated.  My mother’s and brother’s funeral expenses were quite a bit less, and I hope Tammi’s are as well so that her husband has a lighter burden.  My mother already had a plot and my brother was cremated so that might have been the reason.

  18. 18.

    Barbara

    December 14, 2022 at 4:04 pm

    @Old School: My mother and brother died in Pittsburgh and the funeral home expenses were around $3000, but there were additional expenses for the burial itself, for my mother, around $1000, and she already had a plot so that wasn’t included.  However, I know that there are personal decisions that can increase the cost.  Like I said, if the cost is lower, well, the additional money will still be going to a very worthy recipient.

  19. 19.

    Mai Naem mobile

    December 14, 2022 at 4:05 pm

    Done. WG I don’t know if you realize but the go fund me has John Cole being in Champaign, Illinois.

  20. 20.

    WaterGirl

    December 14, 2022 at 4:06 pm

    @Old School: I did the research.  At first glance it looked like $10,000 might cover it.   But they are having a visitation / viewing with all that entails, and they are doing cremation, as well, so that’s how I landed on $15,000.  As I said up top, it was the conversation with my friend who had recently organized the funeral for her mom in Kentucky, where she was adamant that $15,000 would cover the bare minimum.  And bare minimum is not the goal.

    The goal here is to make the financial side of this as simple as possible for Brian, who has just lost the love of his life, so I increased the goal amount in response to my friend’s input.  If anyone has questions about the cost, please feel free to send me an email about it.  The last thing Cole needs, after losing his person, is to read the thread and have folks second-guessing the GoFundMe.

  21. 21.

    Alison Rose

    December 14, 2022 at 4:06 pm

    I wish I could give ten times what I’m able. Sending love to John, Brian, and everyone else who knew Tammy <3

  22. 22.

    MisterForkbeard

    December 14, 2022 at 4:07 pm

    I’m in. I wish I could do more.

  23. 23.

    Old School

    December 14, 2022 at 4:08 pm

    @Barbara: Agreed.  That seems to be what the funeral home’s charges are.  For clergy/organist/soloist or a meal afterwards, it can get much more expensive.

  24. 24.

    Ohio Mom

    December 14, 2022 at 4:09 pm

    @cain: I am thinking of donating my body to science. I’m okay with my body being used for a medical school anatomy course. A cousin of Ohio Dad’s did so and her ashes were eventually returned to the family for burial.

    But I get that people find comfort in following the established burial customs. There’s no right or wrong way to say goodbye, whatever is meaningful to the family.

  25. 25.

    WaterGirl

    December 14, 2022 at 4:09 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: As with anything we raise funds for on Balloon Juice, no one should feel obligated to give, and no one should feel bad about not being able to do more.

    We are a family here and, whatever the cause, we don’t need everyone to give in order to make the world go ’round.

  26. 26.

    narya

    December 14, 2022 at 4:10 pm

    Done. I wish I could bring some food for her family.

  27. 27.

    Old School

    December 14, 2022 at 4:11 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I’m only pointing out that cremation vs. traditional burial isn’t the cost savings people who haven’t had to plan a funeral might think it is.

    I’m certainly not quibbling over the fundraiser.

  28. 28.

    NaijaGal

    December 14, 2022 at 4:12 pm

    Chipped in.  She was so young. Still absolutely shocking!

  29. 29.

    divF

    December 14, 2022 at 4:12 pm

    Done.

  30. 30.

    JeanneT

    December 14, 2022 at 4:12 pm

    The costs of funerals is outrageous and takes advantage of people at their most distressed time.  I know this is not useful for Brian, but if anyone wants to pre-plan to save your family extra grief, I was just checking info for my MIL’s future cremation.  Through a cremation focused business (not a regular funeral home) it came to about $2500 including a service – a fancy urn and viewing before cremation would cost extra.  In 2020 my sister had a ‘green’ burial: no embalming, no vault, a bio-degradable box for the casket. That was relatively inexpensive, but there were costs for the burial plot and a marker.  My BIL did not want viewing or a service, so it was about $8,000 for her burial.  We had a little family gathering for a memorial.

  31. 31.

    WaterGirl

    December 14, 2022 at 4:14 pm

    @Old School: Happy to know that.

  32. 32.

    greengoblin

    December 14, 2022 at 4:14 pm

    In for a bit as well. Glad to be of some help.

  33. 33.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 14, 2022 at 4:14 pm

    Done. I always wished I had had the chance to know Tammy in person.

    Peace to John and Brian and Tammy’s mother.

  34. 34.

    Mai Naem mobile

    December 14, 2022 at 4:15 pm

    My friends mom had a prepaid funeral that was supposed to cover everything – the burial plot, casket, the grave marker, actual funeral etc. He ended up paying, IIRC, an extra $2K because the local laws had changed so that the depth you had to dig the hole had increased slightly.

  35. 35.

    Haroldo

    December 14, 2022 at 4:17 pm

    Chipped in.

  36. 36.

    EarthWindFire

    December 14, 2022 at 4:18 pm

    Thank you, WG, for being our eyes, ears and conscience. Donated.

  37. 37.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 14, 2022 at 4:18 pm

    @JeanneT: My siblings and I didn’t want to have a wake for our mom, but we knew it meant a lot to her sisters and the other elders, so… Caskets are very expensive, and funerals are for the grieving.

    @Ohio Mom:

    There’s no right or wrong way to say goodbye, whatever is meaningful to the family.

    Hear, hear.

  38. 38.

    Alison Rose

    December 14, 2022 at 4:22 pm

    WG, do you think it’s okay if we share the fundraiser with our FB friends? Mine are pretty much all family, IRL friends, and folks I’ve known online for years, some of whom probably are familiar with this blog and John. But I wanted to check first if you think that’s kosher.

  39. 39.

    bjacques

    December 14, 2022 at 4:23 pm

    Pitched in as well. May she be granted a swift and safe journey to the Western Lands.

  40. 40.

    Kineslaw

    December 14, 2022 at 4:24 pm

    I chipped in.  What a loss she was for the people that loved her.

  41. 41.

    WaterGirl

    December 14, 2022 at 4:26 pm

    @Alison Rose: Yes, it would be fine for you to share the fundraiser.

  42. 42.

    Alison Rose

    December 14, 2022 at 4:27 pm

    @WaterGirl: Thank you.

  43. 43.

    pat

    December 14, 2022 at 4:29 pm

    Done.   So terribly sorry that John and the family have to go through this, and I hope this brings a little comfort.

  44. 44.

    JMG

    December 14, 2022 at 4:30 pm

    I donated. It’s a small thing for an immeasurable loss, but it’s something.

  45. 45.

    WaterGirl

    December 14, 2022 at 4:32 pm

    @JMG:  Helping John help Brian is a huge gift to John.

  46. 46.

    Joy in FL

    December 14, 2022 at 4:35 pm

    I put in some money for Tammy’s funeral. I’m so glad we are helping with this.

    Some folks have commented on costs of cremation. About a year ago, I pre-paid my own cremation for around one thousand dollars. I pre-paid a green burial for around two thousand.  I did not want any extras, which kept my costs down. Burying a body (not a cremated one) costs probably a few hundred more than what I paid.

    The green burial place is called Heartwood Preserve; it is in west Pasco county in Florida. With the cost of the burial, they include the use of their gathering room for an hour before or after the burial. I mention the Heartwood Preserve in case anyone is interested in green burial in Florida. You can google it; they have a good website.

  47. 47.

    AJ of the Mustard Search and Rescue Team

    December 14, 2022 at 4:37 pm

    Done. Ty for organizing this WG.

    It’s just heartbreaking.

  48. 48.

    Tom Levenson

    December 14, 2022 at 4:38 pm

    Done.

    May Tammy’s memory be a blessing to all who knew her (even us Jackals, vicariously, through John).

  49. 49.

    Ida Slapter

    December 14, 2022 at 4:40 pm

    Done.  Hope this helps to bring some comfort to John and Brian. Thanks.

  50. 50.

    HeleninEire

    December 14, 2022 at 4:42 pm

    Done. Thank you for doing this WG. May her memory be a blessing.

  51. 51.

    RaflW

    December 14, 2022 at 4:44 pm

    @WaterGirl: Several times a month, I say to myself: “The best healthcare system in the world.”

    And then I hate the GOP just a little bit more, as those lying sacks of shit do everything possible to f*** us over

    eta: Kicked in for Tammy’s family, too. Thanks for organizing this.

  52. 52.

    Ohio Mom

    December 14, 2022 at 4:45 pm

    @Joy in FL: There are a few green burial options in the Cincinnati area as well.

  53. 53.

    Joy in FL

    December 14, 2022 at 4:51 pm

    @Ohio Mom: I feel so lucky there was one very close to where I live. I think there are three in Florida. Green burial is such an environmentally good thing. From what I understand, it is becoming more widely known and more frequent.

  54. 54.

    Donatellonerd

    December 14, 2022 at 4:52 pm

    Done. I feel i owe John a lot for this site (and you too WG). it was such sad shocking news.

  55. 55.

    cain

    December 14, 2022 at 4:56 pm

    @Ohio Mom: That might be the best idea. My grandfather donated his eyes to science and some young person was able to have them. It’s poetic really. There might be someone who needs a new lung, heart, liver or whatever. As long as the donor is not a Jan 6 agitator or MAGA.

    We should stop doing this – heck, we should get a tax credit if we donate.

  56. 56.

    cain

    December 14, 2022 at 4:57 pm

    @JeanneT:

    I think you can reduce the price quite a bit by removing the ceremonial aspects of the whole thing. Visitation, speech etc etc. Man, just have a wake at home with the ashes. Play Rush or Bon Jovi – Salt-n-Peppa call it good.

  57. 57.

    Cephalus Max

    December 14, 2022 at 4:58 pm

    Done. Thx Watergirl.

  58. 58.

    gvg

    December 14, 2022 at 5:00 pm

    Funerals are for the living. I don’t plan to out live my parents but when I was younger my sister and I discovered that my mother is freaked out by the idea of cremation which both of us find nicer than the idea of rotting away…I suspect insisting on cremation might cause a family fight in a time of grief and remember a feud that started at my grandmothers funeral. I decided I don’t care enough about my dead body.  I also would like my organs donated if circumstances happen that way but I also doubt parents are going to be comfortable with it. My sister has the same doubts. Mother has a written instructions about her funeral including music choices she reminds us of now and then so she cares. I have no opinion about my body but do care about my family left so…

    The parents had quite a bit of difficulty getting their burial plots bought. The trustee who sold them for that cemetery was hard to reach and unresponsive. They had to find an elected city official to put pressure on him eventually. Odd. Funerals are hard to manage. Prearranging what can be is good but younger people don’t.

  59. 59.

    chrome agnomen

    December 14, 2022 at 5:00 pm

    I may be late with this suggestion.   my BIL just died.   his wife donated his body to Science Care, who harvested this and that, cremated the rest, and sent the ashes home.   no cost whatsoever.

  60. 60.

    cain

    December 14, 2022 at 5:01 pm

    @RaflW: I’m reminded of the mini-rants that Joe Pesci’s obnoxious character in Lethal Weapon 2:

    Leo Getz : They fuck you at the drive-thru, okay? They fuck you at the drive-thru! They know you’re gonna be miles away before you find out you got fucked! They know you’re not gonna turn around and go back, they don’t care. So who gets fucked? Ol’ Leo Getz! Okay, sure! I don’t give a fuck! I’m not eating this tuna, okay?

    Roger Murtaugh , Martin Riggs : Shut up!

  61. 61.

    zhena gogolia

    December 14, 2022 at 5:05 pm

    Donated. Deepest condolences to Brian and John.

  62. 62.

    raven

    December 14, 2022 at 5:06 pm

    @gvg:My buddy Joe

     
    Overnight, hospice came to write the death certificate, and we dressed him in his favorite clothes—sweatpants, sweatshirt, wooly socks, a hand-knitted hat my mother made, a scarf I knitted him when I was 13, with blue and red stripes in Fibonacci sequence—and his glasses, which he was always looking for. 
    The only interaction with the funeral industry we had was for the transport of the body, a job performed by two lovely and respectful men from the Carolina Mortuary Transportation Service, who I’m guessing had never had a job quite like this one. They didn’t question my family’s wishes, though they seemed relieved to hear that my uncle was digging the grave with a backhoe—it wouldn’t just be several grief-stunned women with shovels. My mother had called several different companies to try to line up the transportation of the body in the days before my father’s death. The others were overtly rude to her, refused to do the job and even told her it was illegal, which she knew wasn’t true.

  63. 63.

    raven

    December 14, 2022 at 5:07 pm

    @chrome agnomen: Uh, there’s a time and a place . . .

  64. 64.

    chrome agnomen

    December 14, 2022 at 5:10 pm

    @raven: this seems like it…

  65. 65.

    Alison Rose

    December 14, 2022 at 5:12 pm

    Folks, I think it’s fine to share what your plans are for yourself or your loved ones, but I don’t think it’s necessary or fitting to be like “this is what they should do cuz it’s cheaper” or something. If Tammy’s family wants a funeral service, then that is what they should have. We’re not talking about a pet or a totaled car or something. Please just have a think before commenting stuff like this.

  66. 66.

    Alison Rose

    December 14, 2022 at 5:13 pm

    @chrome agnomen: Your phrasing was insensitive.

  67. 67.

    Barbara

    December 14, 2022 at 5:16 pm

    @gvg:

    a feud that started at my grandmothers funeral

    Your family sounds like mine.  I think my mother was mostly indifferent, but she wanted to be buried with my father so that was clearly the path of least resistance.  She died suddenly, no instructions whatsoever.

  68. 68.

    frosty

    December 14, 2022 at 5:18 pm

    Donated. Thank you WG and condolences to Brian and John.

  69. 69.

    jnfr

    December 14, 2022 at 5:18 pm

    I had missed this event, though I saw John saying he was so sad. I am so sorry for this loss, John and Brian. I feel like she was a member of the BJ family through you.

    Will help out when the check comes on Friday. Thanks for putting this together.

  70. 70.

    cain

    December 14, 2022 at 5:19 pm

    @Barbara: I probably need to make those end of life decisions myself.

  71. 71.

    Argiope

    December 14, 2022 at 5:19 pm

    Thank you so much for organizing us, WG—I was hoping there was something we could do to ease the burden on Tammy’s family and to support John. Added my bit to the fund.

  72. 72.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 14, 2022 at 5:20 pm

    Done.

    When my time comes, I want a Viking funeral. There might be some legal hurdles, though.

  73. 73.

    raven

    December 14, 2022 at 5:23 pm

    @Alison Rose: Thank you.

  74. 74.

    something fabulous

    December 14, 2022 at 5:26 pm

    @WaterGirl: Thanks for organizing this, and for that reminder. I also have the tendency to want to apologize, or to not take part if I can’t in a big way in case that looks rude, somehow.

    This can be such a very very hard time of year for folks in lots of ways– I know it is, for me. Please everyone be a little tender with each other (and yourself!), especially in this thread.

  75. 75.

    Ruckus

    December 14, 2022 at 5:27 pm

    I’ll put in what I can.

    I’ve been through this a number of times, I’m old and was the youngest in the family. The cost, like the cost of everything else has gone up a lot over the last few years.

  76. 76.

    WaterGirl

    December 14, 2022 at 5:28 pm

    @Argiope: Thanks to you and everyone else who is donating.  Brian may not know it, but Cole has a legion of people who love him and together we are here for Brian, in honor of Tammy.

  77. 77.

    arrieve

    December 14, 2022 at 5:28 pm

    Chipped in and happy to do it.

    I’ve had to pay for two funerals, my sister’s and my mother’s, and they are, as everyone notes, ridiculously expensive. I still remember that the funeral director I dealt with for my sister was wearing a tie clip in the shape of a tiny shovel. I did not find that quirky or amusing.

    One thing I did at the start of the pandemic was prepay for my own cremation. I don’t remember exactly how much it was, but somewhere in the neighborhood of 3K if you want the no frills version and pay in advance. That way whoever is taking care of making my arrangements at least won’t have to deal with that.

  78. 78.

    Miss Bianca

    December 14, 2022 at 5:28 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Pal D and I were talking about the Viking Funeral option, but figured that landlocked as we were here in the mountains, it wouldn’t be practical.

    But ask us about our Swedish Death Luge idea sometime, preferably after a preprandial sherry or three…

  79. 79.

    Steeplejack

    December 14, 2022 at 5:35 pm

    Chipped in. RIP, Tammy. 🙏

  80. 80.

    CarolPW

    December 14, 2022 at 5:36 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: You just need friends like Gram Parsons had, and they will take care of it despite the illegality.

  81. 81.

    Miki

    December 14, 2022 at 5:41 pm

    @Ohio Mom: Not just MDs, but dentists, too. We want dentists to know anatomy, folks.

    P.S. My body is going to the University of Minnesota. Cremation is free when everything is done. Worthy, worthy bequest.

  82. 82.

    Pennsylvanian

    December 14, 2022 at 5:49 pm

    Think the amount is probably about right. My mom’s funeral was about $12k 6 year ago. That did not include the excavation, concrete vault and later headstone or marker because she was cremated, plus it was in the before times. I think it’s spot on these days.

    Heading over to do my part. Hopefully it will ease a burden for Brian because we certainly can’t ease the pain.

  83. 83.

    lowtechcyclist

    December 14, 2022 at 5:51 pm

    Funerals may be way more expensive than they should be, but there’s nothing to do about that in the time frame we’ve got. Brian is surely dealing with a truckload of pain and grief right now, and the least we can do is keep this from plunging him too far into debt as well. I’m more than happy to chip in.

  84. 84.

    Jerzy Russian

    December 14, 2022 at 5:54 pm

    Put me down for $20.

  85. 85.

    Miki

    December 14, 2022 at 5:55 pm

    Donation done.

    Unexpected death is the worst – the emotional processing can go on for years and years and years. More than willing to contribute what I can to ease some of the $$ stress. Hope it helps a little.

    ❤️

  86. 86.

    Sandia Blanca

    December 14, 2022 at 5:57 pm

    Thank you WaterGirl, for giving us a way to express our condolences to John other than offering to hug him (a suggestion to which he did not take kindly). Please keep us posted if there’s more we can do.

  87. 87.

    Cheryl from Maryland

    December 14, 2022 at 5:58 pm

    @cain: Cremation rather than preparation for a burial wasn’t much cheaper re the funeral home price quotes in November when my spouse died unexpectedly.  Although the casket was another $3,000.00.  Headstone, ground prep, etc. the same no matter what.  I already owned a plot thanks to my grandfather buying several in the 1960s.  Death in the US ain’t cheap.

  88. 88.

    Ohio Mom

    December 14, 2022 at 5:59 pm

    @cain:  I had a molar pulled on Monday and there is (highly processed) ground cadaver bone in the space left behind. How the bone got from corpse to processing plant is something I have no idea about.

    I keep asking myself, Does this weird me out? But so far it doesn’t.

  89. 89.

    skerry

    December 14, 2022 at 6:08 pm

    Donated.

  90. 90.

    Cheryl from Maryland

    December 14, 2022 at 6:09 pm

    @WaterGirl: Agreed.  You have taken the correct, compassionate path.  Thank you.

  91. 91.

    rockstar

    December 14, 2022 at 6:13 pm

    I cannot imagine how much pain Brian and John are experiencing right now, what a tragedy. I am glad to be able to contribute. Me, I will be cremated, placed in a Folgers can and my son will dump my ashes into the Pacific Ocean while reciting Walter’s eulogy of Theodore Donald Karabotsos – Goodnight, sweet prince. RIP Tammy, you were obviously  loved by many, and I hope this helps Brian and John get through this troubling period a little easier.

  92. 92.

    kalakal

    December 14, 2022 at 6:18 pm

    Chipped in.

    Pro tip when transporting Urns on planes, let TSA know as it they can do all sorts of weird things to metal detectors

    My MIL came down to live with us in Fl so we could take care of her after she was T-boned by an idiot running a red light and broke her neck. On her death she was cremated for reasons. She wanted – naturally – to be buried with her husband in Greenfield, Ohio and that’s over a 1,000 miles away. Also she wanted  the ceremony delayed until it was safe for the family, this was when Covid was raging, and she didn’t want to make other people ill. The flight up started oddly

  93. 93.

    Ohio Mom

    December 14, 2022 at 6:20 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: That is what my uncle said, though he added that he wanted a NYC version of a Viking funeral, which he described as his ashes put in origami paper boat and sent down a sewer.

    What all of us cousins did was put his ashes in a cardboard canoe my brother built (about two to three feet long), climb down a hill of rocks between a park and the Hudson, and pushed the boat off with a long stick. It probably wasn’t legal but we didn’t ask.

    No, we are not a religious family; my uncle was anything but conventional. We were happy to fulfill his wishes and the afternoon seeing him off remains a fond memory among his nieces and nephews.

    But as I said before, there is no right or wrong way to say goodbye, whatever comforts the family. Some members of my family had regulation religious funerals, and I cherish those memories as well.

  94. 94.

    Leslie

    December 14, 2022 at 6:29 pm

    @raven: That was beautiful. Thank you.

    And thanks for organizing this, WG. I chipped in, glad to be able to do something to help.

  95. 95.

    EmbraceYourInnerCrone

    December 14, 2022 at 6:29 pm

    Done. Hope it helps a bit

  96. 96.

    raven

    December 14, 2022 at 6:32 pm

    @Leslie: Katherine is a treasure. Unfortunately her wife couldn’t get a green card so the moved back to Australia shortly after Joe died.

  97. 97.

    AM in NC

    December 14, 2022 at 6:33 pm

    @Old School: Wow. Here in NC, my mom’s cremation over the summer was about $2800.

  98. 98.

    DarbysMom

    December 14, 2022 at 6:38 pm

    @raven: Loved this. Just beautiful. Thanks.

    Donated. Happy to have a way to try and help Tammy’s family and John a little bit.

  99. 99.

    artem1s

    December 14, 2022 at 6:55 pm

    Done. condolences to Tammy’s family and friends.

  100. 100.

    stinger

    December 14, 2022 at 7:23 pm

    Donated. Thank you, WaterGirl.

  101. 101.

    Redshift

    December 14, 2022 at 7:27 pm

    Glad to help, and condolences again.

  102. 102.

    jackmac

    December 14, 2022 at 7:37 pm

    Done. Happy to help.

  103. 103.

    CliosFanBoy

    December 14, 2022 at 7:39 pm

    I never met Tammy or Lily but that photo makes me sad.

  104. 104.

    dnfree

    December 14, 2022 at 7:44 pm

    Even if someone has a cremation, other costs can be part of a funeral or memorial service.  My cousin who was in charge of the service for my aunt paid expenses to fly our musician daughter from the Chicago area to Tampa to sing the hymns my aunt had requested.  Our daughter and my aunt were among the family members who shared red hair and they were close.  Not everything is about how inexpensively it can be done.  My aunt would have loved having her grandniece sing.

  105. 105.

    Ohio Mom

    December 14, 2022 at 7:52 pm

    @dnfree: That’s a lovely story.

  106. 106.

    BQuimby

    December 14, 2022 at 7:56 pm

    Done.

    Sadly very expensive despite any attempts to be appropriately frugal.

  107. 107.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    December 14, 2022 at 7:59 pm

    Done.

  108. 108.

    There go two miscreants

    December 14, 2022 at 8:18 pm

    Donated. If we can’t bring cheer (because really impossible in this situation) we can at least bring some stress relief.

  109. 109.

    Other MJS

    December 14, 2022 at 8:31 pm

    Done.

  110. 110.

    Jobeth

    December 14, 2022 at 8:32 pm

    Donated – rest in peace Tammy.

  111. 111.

    moonbat

    December 14, 2022 at 8:33 pm

    Done. Thanks for allowing us to help, WaterGirl.

  112. 112.

    Rob

    December 14, 2022 at 8:37 pm

    Done.

  113. 113.

    brantl

    December 14, 2022 at 8:41 pm

    @Alison Rose: He’s trying to be helpful, FFS. Cut him a break, he’s trying to cut someone else one.

  114. 114.

    Dagaetch

    December 14, 2022 at 8:43 pm

    Donated. Moments like these suck enough without having to think about money.

  115. 115.

    Ohio Mom

    December 14, 2022 at 8:48 pm

    @brantl: And if it’s not helpful for Tammy’s survivors, this suggestion may be helpful to someone else another time.

    One thing I learned when my mom became terminally ill — I was youngish and that was my first big loss and death — is that well-meaning people often state things in less than optimal ways. I decided to embrace the sentiment and ignore the rest.

  116. 116.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 14, 2022 at 8:53 pm

    Donated.

  117. 117.

    Alison Rose

    December 14, 2022 at 9:02 pm

    @brantl: As I said, the phrasing was totally insensitive. Would you say the exact words they used to Brian’s face? If not, then they shouldn’t be said here, either.

    I’m not going to continue arguing about why people should sometimes keep their mouths shut.

  118. 118.

    Mel

    December 14, 2022 at 9:04 pm

    @Alison Rose: Thank you. Well said.

    It is so painful and so disorienting to lose someone you love so unexpectedly.

    Hopefully, as you pointed out, the Go Fund Me will make it so that Tammy’s family can honor her in whatever way feels most right and comforting to them, and not having to worry about how to pay will take at least a small part of the burden away during such a difficult, frightening time.

  119. 119.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    December 14, 2022 at 9:18 pm

    @Ohio Mom: My Dad did that – when he died, the SF medical school picked up his body at no cost.  We had a memorial service for him (turns out, it can’t be called a funeral unless there is a body present).

  120. 120.

    Albatrossity

    December 14, 2022 at 9:35 pm

    Done. Thanks for this.

  121. 121.

    Gretchen

    December 14, 2022 at 9:44 pm

    Even if the funeral itself doesn’t cost as much, sometimes it’s comforting to have other things paid for, like travel for friends or relatives, or a meal after the funeral, memorial park bench, or even just clearing some bills so Brian won’t have to worry about them.

  122. 122.

    Wolvesvalley

    December 14, 2022 at 9:55 pm

    I just added to the fund. Thank you for doing this, WaterGirl. The jackals always come through.

  123. 123.

    thruppence

    December 14, 2022 at 10:31 pm

    Donated. Any of us would have been blessed to have a friend like Tammy.

  124. 124.

    Super Dave

    December 14, 2022 at 10:35 pm

    Done. Condolences to The family and to Mr. Cole.

  125. 125.

    WaterGirl

    December 14, 2022 at 11:07 pm

    Thanks, everybody, for taking such good care of John.

    You are all doing a lot to help John, with your donations here and your kind words in the next post.

    Helping Brian is helping John, and helping John is helping Brian.  Brothers in grief.

  126. 126.

    Andrya

    December 14, 2022 at 11:55 pm

    Done.  Don’t know how much it helps, but I hope it helps some.

  127. 127.

    Madeleine

    December 15, 2022 at 12:54 am

    Done. I hope this eases pain for Brian, John, and Tammy’s family.

  128. 128.

    Trivia Man

    December 15, 2022 at 12:57 am

    This organization does good work, they have resources for people dealing with such a sudden and shocking event. They never send the information to the newly bereaved unless that person requests it, instead they send it to someone who can hand it to them personally. I am sure there is information on funeral planning in the packet.

    https://soaringspirits.org/programs/newly-widowed/

  129. 129.

    Debbie(Aussie)

    December 15, 2022 at 4:05 am

    The least that I could do. Given with love❣️

  130. 130.

    Paul in KY

    December 15, 2022 at 8:21 am

    Done. Deepest condolences to the family.

  131. 131.

    rockstar

    December 15, 2022 at 9:09 am

  132. 132.

    EmbraceYourInnerCrone

    December 15, 2022 at 9:59 am

    @Miss Bianca: wait what!? Now I have to ask Whatis that??

  133. 133.

    EmbraceYourInnerCrone

    December 15, 2022 at 10:04 am

    @chrome agnomen: never heard of them but have been think that’s sort of what I want so I will be looking into that.

  134. 134.

    AnnaN

    December 15, 2022 at 10:57 am

    Done.  The least I could do in an impossibly devastating situation.

    Please continue to take care.  <3

  135. 135.

    lee

    December 15, 2022 at 3:25 pm

    Donated.

    For a funeral $20k sounds about right.

    Wife & I are donating organs and/or to science.

    Looks like getting close to the target. If it stalls out without hitting $20k, I’ll chip in some more.

  136. 136.

    WaterGirl

    December 15, 2022 at 4:34 pm

    @lee: That is so kind of you!

  137. 137.

    eachother

    December 15, 2022 at 5:55 pm

    I’m in.  I appreciate the opportunity to help.

    Love eachother

  138. 138.

    Skepticat

    December 15, 2022 at 9:53 pm

    I’m sending a small amount of money but a huge amount of support and love. I never met Tammy, yet I feel John’s and Brian’s pain at the loss of such a special person. Although funerals do help people cope and everyone should do what brings them the most comfort, rather than any traditional service, I’ll be cremated, there’ll be a party at my former Marblehead yacht club, and my ashes will be fired from the starting gun of a national championship regatta.

  139. 139.

    Betsy

    December 15, 2022 at 10:37 pm

    Gave my little part in sympathy.

  140. 140.

    206inKY

    December 16, 2022 at 8:57 am

    It’ll easily be over $20,000 needed for a burial and tombstone, I vote for raising the target. My mom’s costs came in at around $24,000 in 2020 and that’s without a large funeral due to covid. Surely prices have risen since then.

    Sending my sincere condolences. No words can comfort pain like what you’re enduring.

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