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  3. 3.

    cmore

    It’s exremely likely McCarthy & the narrow R majority will initiate an “investigative” committee to mount aggressive counter-programming to attempt to blame the Dsa for…something, but it will have something to do with trying to prove the J6 folks were just patriots rightfully protesting oppression of free speech and election malfeasance that threw the validity of the N’20 election into legitimate doubt.  And that Pelosi’s perfidity had something to do with it, somehow. They may also try to craft a way to initiate something in front of that hack RW Texas District Court Judge who aggressively seeks to find Obamacare and everything else the Ds have initiated unconstitutional, no matter that he has no actual sound jurisdictional basis to take any such case.

  4. 4.

    bbleh

    They did their job, and they raised the bar CONSIDERABLY for any future such efforts (should they be necessary, FSM forbid).

    The hearings were a fkin production MASTERPIECE for a Congressional committee!  And the amount of evidence they have gathered, and now will (1) give to DOJ and (2) make PUBLIC (!!), is gigantic.

    Three thumbs up!

  5. 5.

    NotMax

    OT.

    Still waves of thunderstorms rolling through here. Had to chuckle at an actual forecast for tonight from a weather site:

    Showers and scattered thunderstorms early in the evening, then scattered showers and thunderstorms in the late evening and overnight.

    Well, that clears up any ambiguity. ;)

  8. 8.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Listening to MSNBC and they seem to be really commercial heavy. I wonder if they were anticipating a big audience?

  9. 9.

    Ohio Mom

    I could see the video presentation as Cliff’s Notes but I experienced them as a trip down memory lane, as each new clip jogged my memory, Oh Yes! I remember her! Oh, there’s so-and-so!

    Disappointed that the four Congresscritters will only be referred to the House Ethics Committee. I can’t imagine anything coming of that.

    Still, all in all, a very satisfying watch.

  10. 10.

    Elizabelle

    @NotMax:   That story of the Hawaiian Air flight that hit extreme turbulence 30 minutes outside of Honolulu on Sunday.  36 passengers injured, 11 seriously.

    You Hawaiians are living the dream this week.

    NY Times:

    Three dozen people were hurt — 11 of them seriously — when a flight from Phoenix to Honolulu was rocked by severe turbulence on Sunday, the authorities said.
    The Hawaiian Airlines flight, which carried 238 passengers and 10 crew members landed at the Daniel K. Inouye International Airport in Honolulu at about 11 a.m. local time …
    … 36 people, including a 14-month-old and three crew members, were injured. Of those, 11 people, including one teenager, were hospitalized with serious injuries. Nine others were hospitalized in stable condition, she added. The condition of the infant was not immediately available.
    “Injuries included a serious head injury, lacerations, bruising and loss of consciousness,” … None of the victims appeared to have life-threatening injuries, she said.
    …  In the turbulence instance on Sunday, unstable air and weather conditions near the Hawaiian islands helped create an unstable patch of air that caught the flight by surprise …

    … Thomas Vaughan, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Honolulu, said there had been a weather advisory posted for thunderstorms at the time of the turbulence.
    “Possibly, they flew into a thunderstorm,” he said.

  11. 11.

    eclare

    Cheney needs to grab her shotgun and start whistling The Farmer in the Dell…you know she wants to.

  13. 13.

    zhena gogolia

    I still haven’t had a chance to watch it. If it’s “greatest hits,” I can take my time, because I watched all the hearings twice already.

  15. 15.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    If we lived in a just society, Trump would spend the rest of his goddamn life in a supermax federal prison and Eastman, Meadows, and Giuliani would all do serious time in prison as well.

    I’d love to be proven wrong, but I don’t expect any of these motherfuckers to ever spend a single day in a prison cell.

  16. 16.

    eclare

    @zhena gogolia:   I was referring to Omar in The Wire.  I found a good clip but no way to link.  Google Omar The Farmer in the Dell.

    I looked at magazines today at Walgreens and lots of Life special issues but no Time.  I’ll keep looking.

  17. 17.

    Scout211

    Trump’s response:

    @realDonaldTrump Link

    The Fake charges made by the highly partisan Unselect Committee of January 6th have already been submitted, prosecuted, and tried in the form of Impeachment Hoax # 2. I WON convincingly. Double Jeopardy anyone!

     

    Needs more cowbell exclamation points.  Not his best whiny shouty outrage.  Sad.

  18. 18.

    Viva BrisVegas

    @Elizabelle: Always belt up and stay belted up. A pet peeve of mine is people who undo their seatbelt for no reason while they are sitting. The belt makes no difference to comfort!

    Second peeve is people wandering about the cabin getting in the way of crew.

  20. 20.

    raven

    Passenger Kaylee Reyes said the turbulence hit without any warning.
    Her mother had just sat down when the incident happened and hadn’t had a chance to buckle her seatbelt.

  24. 24.

    piratedan

    @Ohio Mom:

    Planning to overthrow the country takes money and logistics and while we know some of what took place and who some of the likely actors are (i.e. those Members of Congress who refused Congressional Subpeonas and those Senators who went along with the charade of alternate electors and refusing to certify votes from states) there is still a whole lotta crap to find out…

    So, starting from there the DOJ now has that in their lap with the false electors issue and how deep were certain MOC (Members of Congress) were involved, plus anything that comes from additional hearings that are starting to inch up the food chain of J6 rioters that may come to light with who helped them plan and where to take advantage of access to the Capitol.

    1) who put the word out to coordinate J6 as the date? (and to get the media message out to the Conservative places on the web and AM radio and podcasts, etc etc etc)

    2) who got the cannon fodder into place (whose rally was co-opted as cover for the assembly of the rioters with the logistics on how to get there, where to stay)

    3) who co-opted certain elements of the government to make it happen?
    a) who reduced the Capitol Police staffing

    b) why did the FBI admin look the other way with the tangible threats reported

    c) why did the Pentagon not respond when asked

    d) wtf was going on with the Secret Service

    e) who supplied the attackers with intel on where to attack and how to find lawmakers

    4) who paid the freight… tour buses, media campaign, hotel rooms, were people paid to look the other way?

  25. 25.

    James E Powell

    @Wyatt Salamanca:

    If we lived in a just society, Trump would spend the rest of his goddamn life in a supermax federal prison

    If we lived in a just society, Trump would have been indicted for tax fraud by the state of New York sometime during President Hillary Clinton’s first term.

  28. 28.

    West of the Rockies

    Think of all the drip-drip, this could do Trump in moments…  this is so far the biggest, no?

  29. 29.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    @James E Powell:

    If we lived in a just society, Trump would have been indicted for tax fraud by the state of New York sometime during President Hillary Clinton’s first term.

    If we lived in a just society, Trump would have been indicted for tax fraud years before he had an opportunity to run for president.

  31. 31.

    zhena gogolia

    @eclare: I saw a clip after googling. I’ve ordered the Time from eBay, one for me, one for Alison. Harry styles is still on the cover of the one in our Stop and Shop

  33. 33.

    sdhays

    @James E Powell: If we lived in a just society, Trump would have been caught, investigated, and punished for the financial crimes he perpetrated in the decades before he ran for President. At the very least, his hometown paper of record would have been very familiar with his bullshit by that time.

    Instead, one of our major networks awarded him with a TV show making him into a bigger celebrity than he was before and cementing in many people’s minds that he was a successful businessman, so therefore not just a run of the mill stupid, nasty moron. And said paper of record was surprised (and still less than interested) that he’s a nasty, lying misogynist, rapist conman.

  36. 36.

    Amir Khalid

    @eclare:

    I think those initial caps aren’t actually random. They seem to indicate the words TFG would emphase when speaking aloud. That’s helpful when you’re imagining TFG reading out these things in that annoying sing-song voice of his.

  37. 37.

    sdhays

    @Wyatt Salamanca: I want him alive to destroy the Republican party from within. The threat he personally poses isn’t greater than any other Republican that party could conceivably nominate.

  41. 41.

    Dan B

    @NotMax: I was amazed that you posted about extreme thunderstorms yesterday evening and then there was the news of dozens of injuries on a Hawaiian Airline flight.

  42. 42.

    James E Powell

    @sdhays:

    At the very least, his hometown paper of record would have been very familiar with his bullshit by that time.

    I have no doubt that many people at that fucking paper knew all about Trump’s crimes & corruption. But they had a mission: keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House.

  44. 44.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    @sdhays:

    The media’s failure to properly vet Trumpenstein before the 2016 election is the single greatest failure in the history of journalism.

  45. 45.

    different-church-lady

    Hard to believe that starting three weeks from now the very same body is going to try to prove Hunter Biden’s laptop is worse than any of this.

  46. 46.

    WaterGirl

    Heads up for anyone who is interested.  I’ll have a post up shortly before 10am tomorrow – Lawfare is having a Lawfare LIVE event where several of their senior peeps will be discussing the Executive Summary from the Jan 6 committee.

    Should be interesting!

    I have a YouTube link to the conversation, LIVE.

  49. 49.

    Steeplejack

    @Ohio Mom:

    Disappointed that the four Congresscritters will only be referred to the House Ethics Committee.

    They may still have criminal indictments in their future. 🤞

  51. 51.

    WaterGirl

    @Steeplejack: God, I hope so.

    More and more I am thinking it was smart to appoint Jack Smith.  The Republican “led” House won’t be able to compel anyone from the DOJ to come on down to their little inquiries.

    And whatever he does won’t reflect on Biden as directly as it would coming from the DOJ.

  59. 59.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    @sdhays:

    The threat he personally poses isn’t greater than any other Republican that party could conceivably nominate.

    I don’t think there’s another Republican who has Trump’s ability to mobilize a legion of lunatics to commit violence, so I’d prefer having him six feet under sooner rather than later.

  60. 60.

    WaterGirl

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I can’t bear to hear either of them speak.  Can you summarize the turning on each other?

    They probably resent one another because you can’t have two “AOC”s in the party, so maybe they see one another as competition?   Maybe Marge smells blood in the water since the gun bunny nearly didn’t; win.

  68. 68.

    WaterGirl

    @Steeplejack: Oh, good, I did NOT want to have to watch the video to find out what their spat is about.

    Is the gun bunny trying to suddenly be more middle of the road now that she nearly lost her election?

  69. 69.

    ian

    @Wyatt Salamanca: from the linked article

    The group is “starting to split” on key issues as the caucus becomes more “populist and nationalist, but less bound by policy principles,” wrote Politico’s Olivia Beavers.

    That is adorable.  Someone, somewhere thought MTG and Boebert had policy principles.

  78. 78.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    @ian:

    For all we know, there could be a parallel universe in which MTG, Boebert, and Trump are all patients in the lockdown section of a psychiatric ward.

  90. 90.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @HumboldtBlue: seeing a lot of pushback to the notion that Dems were sleeping on this. Zimmerman was the Dem in the race

    Robert Zimmerman @ZimmermanRob 6h
    My campaign has been calling out @Santos4Congress‘ scams and lies about himself for several months. We’ve worked to raise many of these issues. 2/5

    Local news organizations like @Newsday , The Leader, and many others have documented Santos’ shady financial dealings and his shifting personal story. This only underscores the critical work of local and investigative press in holding those seeking power accountable.

    Tom Watson @tomwatson 11h

    This guy’s phony background was pretty well known. The NYT has added new details and brought it together (2 months late) in a strong narrative. But almost no media covered this race. Zimmerman hit Santos every single day. Nobody cared. Media chased Zeldin’s “crime!” narrative.

  93. 93.

    Eolirin

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yeah, this is why I say Zeldin vs Hochul was the deciding factor in our outcomes. I don’t think candidate quality did much of anything here. Nothing really broke through the noise of the governor’s race, it was Zeldin driven turnout and demographic breakdown that decided things here

    I think in large part because Republicans don’t share the same informational universe as us.

  95. 95.

    HumboldtBlue

    @Wyatt Salamanca:

    How the man can be seated is beyond me, but then again, there are seditionists in the House and Senate who have not been sanctioned in any way.

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I just learned he’s the guy who had his yacht seized in Spain at the behest of the DOJ.

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    The media surely screwed this up, but c’mon, any well-run state party apparatus, particularly one in the media capital of the world, would have banged enough drums for this to have been an election issue, even at the local level. Then again, as a three-time victim of the gutting of the local news industry, that gutting plays a huge role as well.

    Josh Marshall has some thoughts on Santos as well.

  96. 96.

    Elizabelle

    @Wyatt Salamanca:  Those 1960s gold pants dancers wore those trousers better. Remember that video? I  think Steeplejack found it for us.

    ==

    FWIW, I love thinking of Special Counsel Jack Smith and his resting executioner face.  Trump can bray all he wants.  He fears his date with accountability draws ever nearer.  He’s got to be terrified, under all that fakeitude.

    About time.

  97. 97.

    Eolirin

    @HumboldtBlue: Keep in mind that district as currently drawn didn’t exist in 2020. I see so many people including reporters who should know better talk about Biden margins in house races as if that means anything when the make ups of the districts are so different. If someone with deeper demographic knowledge can look at how those lines shifted and comment on those changes that’s one thing, but short of that we’ll need 2024 numbers to give us a baseline on presidental races. 

  99. 99.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    @Elizabelle:

    Trump can bray all he wants.  He fears his date with accountability draws ever nearer.  He’s got to be terrified, under all that fakeitude.

    I’m fairly certain that Trump is sweating bullets and I’m okay with that.

  104. 104.

    mvr

    @James E Powell: If we lived in a just society, Trump would have been indicted for tax fraud by the state of New York sometime during President Hillary Clinton’s first term.

    Actually, my view is that it would have to have happened in Reagan’s second term if not earlier. That is when he made it obvious to me he was a crook, just from reading the papers when I lived in NJ.

  105. 105.

    Elizabelle

    @Wyatt Salamanca:  I agree.

    And today’s big expose about George Santos:  little late, grey lady.

    I submitted this reader comment.  So far, they have declined to publish it.

    NY Times:  were you too busy screaming about a “red wave” (you get so easily taken by Republican operatives, over and over) to research this guy?

  106. 106.

    Ruckus

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:

    A few years ago the wealthy paid a small sum to have the IRS workforce cut back and so when they do get audited they bring in a few accountants skilled in complicating tax filings and the IRS sees that it will likely cost them more than they will likely find is owed. And of course as this takes it’s natural course as time goes on fewer of the  wealthy even get audited and the focus changed to everyday people, you and me. The IRS collects less, there is less to pay for auditors and we all get screwed. It started a couple of decades ago or maybe more, so now assholes like DSFBT get away with outright theft of the country and the vast majority of the population. And of course as they have more they have more to pay for more of the legislature to screw the IRS and the rest of us. It’s a vicious cycle that money wins and the country loses.

  107. 107.

    mvr

    @WaterGirl: ​Wow, nothing says “take me serious as the head of your state like a gold lame jumpsuit right out the of 70s.

    Elvis could have pulled it off.

  108. 108.

    Eolirin

    @Ruckus: We’ve fixed the funding problem so hopefully we can hold onto enough of government to keep it that way long enough to start correcting that dynamic.

  115. 115.

    HumboldtBlue

    @Bill Arnold: ​ 

    I can somewhat understand the media ignoring the report, but how does that damning info never reach the public, hell, did they even share it with Zimmerman?

    I mean, the fact that the info was researched and collected into a report that was that extensive and damaging never seemed to have been properly deployed still leaves questions, primarily, how and why?

  116. 116.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Santos is the guy who used to tweet out pictures of him gassing up his giant SUV and whining about gas prices, claiming he had to fill up three times a week just to drive to work! Josh Marshall followed him down a rabbit hole and you can see signs of what the NYT reported today in what was just kind of a busman’s holiday for JMM

  117. 117.

    Martin

    @HumboldtBlue: I guess none of that news was fit to print, eh? Maybe the NYT political reporters should have gotten their asses out of Nebraska and spent a few hours in Great Neck instead.

  118. 118.

    Steeplejack

    * (Belated) DVR Alert *

    TCM is showing Whit Stillman’s Metropolitan (1990) at 12:15 a.m. EST tonight. An overlooked gem. It’s like a hilarious anthropological study of a tiny slice of New York society. Trailer here.

    ETA: Just checked—also streaming on HBO Max and the Criterion Channel.

  119. 119.

    piratedan

    @Bill Arnold: when the media has a narrative to sell….. it’s almost as if their reporting had a bias or a desired outcome… funny that.

    just getting to the point where its obvious who the narrative is for because for damn sure the MSM has little interest in Right Wing perfidy unless its to generate eyeballs, otherwise…. there’s more money to be made in a House controlled by the GOP and their ongoing clown show, the stories write themselves.

  120. 120.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @HumboldtBlue: this is from the local and apparently right-leaning paper in October. I gather Zimmerman turned this into a campaign mailing

    Santos’ campaign raises similar concerns. On paper Santos has raised over $2 million. But the money seems to have vanished – or never been there. Huge sums are listed with the FEC for personal expenses – like Brooks Brothers, Florida beach resorts, lavish restaurants and limo services – but many hundreds of thousands more disappear into a black hole of dubious “consulting fees.”
    Santos himself claims to have loaned his campaign nearly $600,000 – but he refuses – illegally – to file his federal financial disclosures. The last one he filed – in 2020 – shows Santos had no assets over $5,000. So where did $600,000 come from ? Or is it even real ? Fed-up Republicans are now calling him “George Scam-tos.”

    as with trump, you can tell people everything you want as often as can, you can’t make them care. Hillary Clinton told people he was a tax-cheating Russian puppet.

  121. 121.

    Captain C

    @cmore:

    but it will have something to do with trying to prove the J6 folks were just patriots rightfully protesting oppression of free speech and election malfeasance that threw the validity of the N’20 election into legitimate doubt.

    It would be amusing if those hearings actually unearthed more damning, and possibly indictable information on the part of the Capitol invaders.

  123. 123.

    James E Powell

    @WaterGirl:

    I am beginning to believe that the Democratic Party in NY was asleep at the wheel.

    Should we worry that they are going to go the way of Florida’s Democratic Party?

  125. 125.

    Nettoyeur

    @WaterGirl: In the end, poor folksinger Phil Ochs got so desperate for fame that he started wearing gold lamé suits like Elvis. He ended up a suicide.

  128. 128.

    Bill Arnold

    @HumboldtBlue:

    I mean, the fact that the info was researched and collected into a report that was that extensive and damaging never seemed to have been properly deployed still leaves questions, primarily, how and why?

    That is my conclusion as well. Some parts of the apparatus were working well. In New York State, some parts, not well.

  129. 129.

    Ruckus

    @Eolirin:

    It’s going to take some work because the people who gained from this now have a lot of money and can fight this hard, something that that fewer of the richie rich could do back then. And I’d bet they have brought off a few of the not so fine reps, like the guy from NY, Rep elect George Santos.

  130. 130.

    frosty

    @piratedan: ​
     Those were the weirdest guitars I’ve ever seen! I love the way they all strapped them high in their armpits. And the lipsyncing was a “little” off.

    Great song though and kudos to the drummer!

  132. 132.

    Bill Arnold

    @HumboldtBlue:

    I can somewhat understand the media ignoring the report, but how does that damning info never reach the public, hell, did they even share it with Zimmerman?

    I don’t know how widely it was shared. The first capture of that url on web.archive.org was November 12, 2022, FWIW, but it may have been there since July 2022. If it was not shared with Zimmerman, then at least one somebody needs to be fired and maybe investigated.

  134. 134.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:

    If we lived in a just society, Trump would have been indicted for tax fraud years before he had an opportunity to run for president.

    Ain’t that the fucking truth!

    The Kremlin’s fat, orange, fascist bitch should’ve been stripped of his voting rights via felony conviction decades ago.

  135. 135.

    mrmoshpotato

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Lauren Boebert blasted Marjorie Taylor Greene for supporting Kevin McCarthy: “I don’t believe in this just like I don’t believe in …Jewish space lasers.” 

    Duel?

  138. 138.

    piratedan

    @kalakal: true… apologies, but at the time, he was the filler for the show (although I would have been happier with more dancers myself)… and I guess it was a way to establish the bonafides from the movie and not just a random clip.  The music from the movie is a british invasion junkie’s dream.

  139. 139.

    piratedan

    @frosty: In regards to the Honeycombs, they really used that “tinny” sound to its best effect (its as if they were trying to mimic the organ timbers fro The Tornados Telstar (another Joe Meek produced tune)

  140. 140.

    kalakal

    @piratedan: No need to apologise, it’s very hard to avoid seeing that monster turn up in clips from the late 60s and 70s. I  thought he was an irritating jerk at the time but was shocked when I found out what he really was. The rest of the clips great

  146. 146.

    Eolirin

    Look, folks, if you’re not in that specific congressional district and a story doesn’t get picked up by a large media organization, you’re not gonna hear about anything going on with that race, no matter how insane that thing is or how well it’s being covered as part of the campaigns. It’s just not going to bubble up anywhere you’ll run across it.

    Can we stop with all the assumptions of failure to get the message out to voters unless we’re hearing from people in NY-3 talking about failures to get the message out? We know Republicans don’t care about this kind of thing and have a closed information bubble. The guy winning isn’t notable in a year in which Rs overperformed in the governor’s race by like 10 points.

  147. 147.

    livewyre

    @Eolirin: All that matters is that it was the Democrats who failed, same as ever. Just ask the Times.

    There’s probably a deeper analysis to be done about why it always seems like it’s the loser who decides the game. That might be increasingly pertinent as the stakes rise. Does blame-casting help us (and law) win? If not, why are we doing it?

  151. 151.

    lowtechcyclist

    @The Moar You Know: ​
     

    Personally, do not care. What I want is for them to be found guilty in a court of law, setting the precedent that nobody in this country is above the law, especially not a president.

    Hard disagree. If people are convicted of high crimes but serve no time, it will hardly discourage anyone from committing those crimes in the future.

    Not to mention, it makes a mockery of “equal justice under the law” if the big shots whose crimes threaten our democracy itself don’t have to do jail time while your run-of-the-mill crook does.

  152. 152.

    Geminid

    @Eolirin: House races rarely get coverage in national media. Aside from a few “stars” most sitting members are hardly known even by politically engaged Democrats like the ones here.

    When Reps like Valerie Demings, Joe Neguse, and Elaine Luria got exposure through Impeachment trials or J6 Commitee hearings people were pleasantly surprised to see such talented politicians. But they and many others like them have been hiding in plain sight all along.

    I always thought that the series of fundraising posts for House candidates that Watergirl worked so hard on had value far beyond the money raised. They introduced us to talented Representatives and candidates we otherwise would not know about. I look forward to a similar series Watergirl proposes that would report on these promising politicians and their work.

    As to the NY 3rd CD race, if Mr. Santos’s false resume was in fact an issue raised by the Democratic candidate and local media, I attribute the outcome to today’s hyper-partisanship. Now people rarely “vote for the man, not the party.” It’s more the opposite.

    That said, this seat may be a pickup opportunity in 2024. Candidates don’t seem to attract the scrutiny they do once they are in office. An example would be Lauren Boebert in the Colorado 3rd CD. Boebert was the same babbling bonehead as a candidate that she is as a Congresswoman. She still won her first election by 7 points, which happened to be the same margin by which Trump carried the 3rd. Then her constituents got to see what they actually had, and enough rejected Boebert that she barely won last month.

    The lies on Santos’s “resume” will not be erased by his election but instead will keep dogging him as a freshman Congressman, I believe.

  154. 154.

    Geminid

    @Geminid: I forgot to mention that after redistricting, the Colorado 3rd CD was thought to be a couple points more Republican than in 2020. That is by past voting pattern, not party registration; non-affilliated “Independent” voters are now the largest group in Colorado by registrations. I’m guessing that it was a swing among these voters that made Boebert’s reelection such a close race.

  157. 157.

    Kay

    @Eolirin:

    HOLLAND, Ohio — J.R. Majewski is a Republican candidate running for the ninth congressional district U.S. House seat currently held by Democrat Marcy Kaptur.He came to the Lucas County Republican headquarters in Holland to defend his military record in a press conference after an Associated Press report on Wednesday disputed his accounts of his time in the Air Force.

  159. 159.

    Geminid

     

    @Kay: I am curious about something related to the Majewski-Kaptur race. My recollection is that Majewski, a political novice, beat two local office holders in the primary. I believe they both were women. Do you think either of them would have made this a closer race had they won the nomination?

  160. 160.

    Kay

    @Geminid:

    I think Kaptur would have prevailed either way- Marcy Kaptur is an institution in Toledo – but with one of the two women you mention, Theresa Gavarone, a lawyer and state senator, it might have been more competitive. Gavarone is the rare Republican who is unashamedly pro-union and pro-public schools.

    If Marcy Kaptur loses it really is a historic GOP wave. That’s what it would take. But she’s a pro. She jumped all over her opponents lies because it was an absolutely beautiful opening for her. It helped of course that the AP, unlike the NYTimes, chose to reveal the lie to the public PRIOR to the election.

    The NYTimes political team are terrible. They are just the worst. They have that great combination of incredible arrogance along with horrible work that makes really stand out bad teams.

  161. 161.

    Kay

    @Geminid:

    NY concerns me only in that we now have both House and Senate Democratic leaders from NY – I just hope neither one of them sets the overall congressional Democratic campaign strategy in 2024. They were complacent. Even if the districts were redrawn so they were +5 Biden rather than +9 that’s just a slightly competive seat for a Democrat. They should have won them.

  163. 163.

    Geminid

    @Kay: New York Democrats definitely underperformed last month, from the grass roots on up. This reminds me of Virginia’s elections last year. Democrats were complacent, while Republicans were hungry.

    I don’t think that the two Congressional leaders from that state will be a problem in this respect, though. Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries strike me as very non-complacent by nature, and I have not seen it in their practice either.

  164. 164.

    Paul in KY

    @WaterGirl: Looked like his opponent read all his BS and said “Wow, what a swell guy!”

    Edit: It does appear his opponent was shrieking about this, but couldn’t get any real media play.

  167. 167.

    GibberJack

    @WaterGirl: I am inclined to believe the NY Dem party was very much awake and steering. Trump came out of that same fetid political swamp, remember?

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