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Open Thread: Another Day, Another Vote

by WaterGirl|  January 5, 202311:45 am| 212 Comments

This post is in: Democratic Politics, Politics, Republican Politics

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I’m in for more Republican mockery today, and I truly hope they can’t get it together, but I fear that Kevin has finally given them enough that as many as 15 of the 20 will fold.

This guy is my happy place on twitter.

Kevin McCarthy finally won a vote…to not lose the vote for the 7th time.

— Jack E. Smith ⚖️ (@7Veritas4) January 5, 2023

So while we wait…

What’s happening in the House Chambers is a microcosm of what’s happened to the Republican Party.

A fringe faction holds the larger group hostage.

The larger group is 💯 responsible for letting it happen.

— Jack E. Smith ⚖️ (@7Veritas4) January 4, 2023

Confession: It’s hilarious to see Republicans turn their most effective weapon, tyranny of the ignorant minority, on themselves.

— Jack E. Smith ⚖️ (@7Veritas4) January 4, 2023

I actually think it’s possible that 15 of the 20 might go Kevin’s way this time.  Not Boobbert, though, this is her chance at her 15 minutes of fame so it’s her hill to die on.

Even so, I think this is funny.

If he gets nominated again, they should play Sarah McLachlan’s “In the arms of an Angel” during the vote.

— Jack E. Smith ⚖️ (@7Veritas4) January 3, 2023

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    212Comments

    1. 1.

      Leslie

      January 5, 2023 at 11:49 am

      First?!?

      Plenty of popcorn on hand.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      Central Planning

      January 5, 2023 at 11:50 am

      @Leslie: AND alcohol!

      Reply
    3. 3.

      Jim, Foolish Literalist

      January 5, 2023 at 11:51 am

      Just heard Katie Tur oh-so-earnestly ask Congressman McGovern why Democrats can’t reach out to moderate Republicans and find a way out of this

      This will not be the last time she and others ask this. My reply would be: Okay, to start with, you give me a list of those moderate Republicans.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 11:53 am

      I wonder if the alternate will still be Donalds or if they’ll move on to someone else. Gaetz? TFG? putin?

      Reply
    5. 5.

      WaterGirl

      January 5, 2023 at 11:53 am

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

      you give me a list of those moderate Republicans.

      That’s a good one!

      Reply
    6. 6.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 11:53 am

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I know she isn’t the only one asking this, but I loathe her, so it annoys me even more when it comes from her.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      Baud

      January 5, 2023 at 11:53 am

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

      Jesus.  Even assuming there were moderate republicans, it would be incumbent on them to approach Democrats with a plan.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      WaterGirl

      January 5, 2023 at 11:54 am

      oops, i forgot to include the c-span embed for anyone who wants to follow along.  It’s up there now.

      Reply
    9. 9.

      Jim, Foolish Literalist

      January 5, 2023 at 11:54 am

      @Alison Rose: Somebody said yesterday, and I agree, that the two names to watch for are Scalise (and I would add McHenry but somebody said yesterday he doesn’t want the job) and trump, and if it’s the latter, Katie, bar the door.

      ETA: @Baud: I’m not thrilled MSNBC hired Boehner/Ryan flack Brendan Buck (I think I’ve got that right), he’s good at slipping in RW talking points while keeping a moderate affect, but he said yesterday any real attempts at compromise with Dems would blow up among the R caucus.

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    10. 10.

      opiejeanne

      January 5, 2023 at 11:55 am

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist: This really pisses me off, the idea that only Democrats have agency, that we must be the ones to pull the Republicans’ chestnuts out of the fire for them.

      Reply
    11. 11.

      WaterGirl

      January 5, 2023 at 11:55 am

      OOPS, that was last night’s video! My point about praying still stands.

      Apparently it’s starting.

      “Would you pray with me?”

      I do believe in god, but it makes me crazy that in the US prayers are part of anything government-related.

      Reply
    12. 12.

      Tony Jay

      January 5, 2023 at 11:56 am

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

      Remind me, how many ‘respected journalists’ have posed the same question in reverse to members of the Brain Parasite Caucus? Surely it should be one of the 200 or so ‘moderates’ who want Kevin in the hotseat reaching out to likeminded Democrats, no? Given their (checks notes) willingness to compromise?

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 11:57 am

      @Tony Jay: and yet the right still complains about the “liberal media”

      Reply
    14. 14.

      WaterGirl

      January 5, 2023 at 11:58 am

      @Tony Jay: When someone asks Dems a question like that, I want them to say:

      What did the Republicans say when you asked them about why they aren’t approaching Democrats for help?

      Reply
    15. 15.

      opiejeanne

      January 5, 2023 at 11:59 am

      @Alison Rose: I despise her too, and as we were clearing out things to donate I found her book lurking on our shelves. It went to the Goodwill truck. I can’t remember what possessed me to buy it, but I do remember the utter disgust when I found out that Katie Tur didn’t bother to vote. I lost all respect for her, and to hell with that notion that she didn’t vote because of impartiality. There are times when you HAVE to be partial, and 2016 was one of them.

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    16. 16.

      Old School

      January 5, 2023 at 12:00 pm

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Democrats just showed last year that they could work with Liz Cheney and Adam Kitzinger. That went well for everyone.

      Reply
    17. 17.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:00 pm

      @opiejeanne: LOL she wrote a book??? Was it just full of self-satisfied sneering? Because that’s basically all it seems she is capable of. I have no idea how the hell she got a prominent anchor job.

      Reply
    18. 18.

      Ivan X

      January 5, 2023 at 12:01 pm

      @Watergirl, what makes you think there will be 15 votes for him today that weren’t there yesterday? And also, even if there are, isn’t he still screwed? Doesn’t he need 16 of the 20 to vote for him to win?

      Reply
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      SiubhanDuinne

      January 5, 2023 at 12:01 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      That’s from last night, I think.

      Reply
    20. 20.

      WaterGirl

      January 5, 2023 at 12:03 pm

      @Ivan X: Yes, he’s still screwed with 15 who are willing to vote for him, but I really thought that he might have been able to bribe 15.

      Apparently I am wrong because the first thing they did is as for a one-day adjournment.

      God, I hope they have to vote today.

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    21. 21.

      WV Blondie

      January 5, 2023 at 12:03 pm

      Doesn’t matter if “our Kevin” – to quote TFG – gets 15 more votes. As long as there are just five members of the Rethug suicide squad, he falls short by one!

      Reply
    22. 22.

      WaterGirl

      January 5, 2023 at 12:04 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: oops!  I just added the C-SPAN embed up top.

      Reply
    23. 23.

      MattF

      January 5, 2023 at 12:04 pm

      Republicans can, perhaps, provide a brand-new set of moveable goalposts. But that’s all.

      Reply
    24. 24.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:04 pm

      @WaterGirl:

       

      @SiubhanDuinne: Yeah, here is today’s feed

      Reply
    25. 25.

      twbrandt (formerly tom)

      January 5, 2023 at 12:05 pm

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist: hell, Jeffries has 212 votes, why don’t 6 republicans vote for him? Why is it always on the Democrats to save the republicans from themselves?

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      MisterForkbeard

      January 5, 2023 at 12:05 pm

      @Alison Rose: Boebert was getting beat up yesterday on Hannity and suggested Trump.

      That would make for a grand time for all involved.

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      WV Blondie

      January 5, 2023 at 12:06 pm

      @MattF: Now that’s an interesting thought. If they change the rule to require a plurality, those 15 votes would give McCarthy enough to beat out Jeffries. But if the 15 fragment, or he only gets, say, 10 of them, they’d wind up with a Democratic speaker.

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    28. 28.

      Redshift

      January 5, 2023 at 12:06 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      “Would you pray with me?”

      “Whatever you pray to, I don’t want to be brought to its attention!”

      Reply
    29. 29.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:07 pm

      Every time I hear people saying the pledge, I remember 3rd grade when I stopped reciting it, because I told my parents I thought it was dumb and they agreed and told me I didn’t have to. My teacher got very upsetty spaghetti over me not saying it, but she compromised and said as long as I stood up, I could just be silent while everyone else spoke.

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    30. 30.

      WaterGirl

      January 5, 2023 at 12:08 pm

      @Alison Rose: thanks!  added up top.

      Reply
    31. 31.

      dmsilev

      January 5, 2023 at 12:09 pm

      @WaterGirl: It appears that the deity who is hearing their prayers is Loki.

      Reply
    32. 32.

      MattF

      January 5, 2023 at 12:09 pm

      @Alison Rose: Also, all those kids saying the pledge with their hands over their little bellies. Cute, but not really official.

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:09 pm

      Only 311 people? Jeez, set your alarms earlier, you lazy gits.

      Reply
    34. 34.

      WaterGirl

      January 5, 2023 at 12:10 pm

      300+ people present.  Are some representatives not showing up today?

      Reply
    35. 35.

      Ocotillo

      January 5, 2023 at 12:11 pm

      I remember back when our media were always counseling Obama, if only he’d invite the GOPers that were obstructing every last thing they could over for dinner or drinks like Tip and Ronnie……

      Why hasn’t Kevin schmoozed Boebert or Gosar?

      Reply
    36. 36.

      Anonymous At Work

      January 5, 2023 at 12:11 pm

      Question: How many of the Shit-Our-Pants Caucus are needed to vote “Present” to make Jeffries into Speaker of the House? How many crap-tastic Republicans have to switch their votes entirely to allow Kev-kev his one wish and dream come true?

      Reply
    37. 37.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:12 pm

      Translation: “Don’t call the other side a bunch of drunks again, you fucking asshole”

      Reply
    38. 38.

      Anoniminous

      January 5, 2023 at 12:12 pm

      Let us pray.

      Reply
    39. 39.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:15 pm

      Hey someone ask this guy how he feels about attacks on CRT from his party

      Reply
    40. 40.

      Betty Cracker

      January 5, 2023 at 12:15 pm

      According to Politico, the Club for Growth (Bigots for Plutocracy) and Congressional Leadership Fund (Plutocrats for Bigotry) super PACs settled their beef, which supposedly was animating some of the opposition to McCarthy.

      Reply
    41. 41.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:16 pm

      I am so fucking tired of the nominators blathering like this. Just say the fucking name and stop.

      Reply
    42. 42.

      TooManyJens

      January 5, 2023 at 12:17 pm

      Seriously. It’s the seventh fucking time we’re doing this. Get on with it.

      Reply
    43. 43.

      WaterGirl

      January 5, 2023 at 12:17 pm

      Oh my god, a black Republican man is talking about hanging.

      Reply
    44. 44.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:17 pm

      wtf is he talking about?

      Reply
    45. 45.

      tobie

      January 5, 2023 at 12:18 pm

      Elise Stefanik has a terrifying smile. It’s not only that it’s clearly fake. It’s that it looks like she wants to bite your head off with teeth sharpened for that purpose.

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    46. 46.

      geg6

      January 5, 2023 at 12:18 pm

      I don’t know this guy speaking and I have no standing to call him an Uncle Tom (being a very white woman).  But he’s as full of shit as any of the white nationalists he’s decided to ally with.  I despise him on sight..

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    47. 47.

      Ken

      January 5, 2023 at 12:18 pm

      @WaterGirl:  the first thing they did is as for a one-day adjournment.

      Kevin just needs a little more time to finish his homework.

      This somewhat reminds me of my junior-high speech class. When a class project was due, we would each give our speech, and it usually took two or three days to finish. The teacher asked for volunteers at first, and when those ran out, went through the roster.

      One week she changed the process, and asked everyone to bring their speech paper to her desk. I was the only one who did, since apparently everyone else had thought they’d be able to present on day two or three.  I got a library pass for that hour, and never did find out what the teacher said to the others.

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    48. 48.

      CaseyL

      January 5, 2023 at 12:19 pm

      I just can’t figure out Black Republicans.  John James extolling his family’s rise from slavery to his being a member of the House of Representatives, without mentioning that his current colleagues would love to reverse the laws that made the rise possible.

      Reply
    49. 49.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:19 pm

      OMG STOP MAKING MOUTH NOISES

      Reply
    50. 50.

      Anoniminous

      January 5, 2023 at 12:20 pm

      To be elected Speaker a candidate has to have an absolute majority of the votes cast. If all members of the House are present and voting the candidate needs 218 votes. If a House member is either not on the floor during the vote or says “Present” a candidate only needs 217 votes to be elected. If all members are present and voting and as long as 5 members of the Crazy Faction vote for someone other than McCarthy AND all Democrats are on the floor and voting for Jeffries then no Speaker can be elected.

      Reply
    51. 51.

      WaterGirl

      January 5, 2023 at 12:20 pm

      It’s easy to double when the N is 1, or close to 1.

      Reply
    52. 52.

      Kent

      January 5, 2023 at 12:20 pm

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

      Just heard Katie Tur oh-so-earnestly ask Congressman McGovern why Democrats can’t reach out to moderate Republicans and find a way out of this

      This will not be the last time she and others ask this. My reply would be: Okay, to start with, you give me a list of those moderate Republicans.

      I absolutely LOATH these dipshit takes.

      To what end?  The GOP has already told us its agenda.  Which is 24/7 Hunter Biden’s laptop, hanging of Fauci, and shutting down the government.  Why would a single Dem help the GOP get there faster?

      If the GOP wants to propose some sort of BINDING power sharing agreement as part of its compromise candidate then we can maybe talk.  And I don’t know how you could actually make it binding and avoid Lucy and the Football.  Such as equal representation on all committees as was the case in the Senate during 2020-2022.  But they will never agree to that because it will cut off their planned red meat orgy.

      So fuck them.  The GOP has no plans for responsible government anyway.  What is the rush to start with the dysfunction?

      Reply
    53. 53.

      geg6

      January 5, 2023 at 12:21 pm

      He’s claiming McCarthy is a winner?!?!?!?!?!?!?!  And dissing Nancy?!?!?!?!?!?!?!  Fuck this piece of shit.

      Reply
    54. 54.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:21 pm

      @Anoniminous: Um…we know?

      Reply
    55. 55.

      tobie

      January 5, 2023 at 12:21 pm

      Did James just tout the success of McCarthy in doubling the number of African Americans in the House GOP caucus? It’s gone from 1 to 2. That is pathetic.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:22 pm

      I think this dude likes hearing himself talk more than TFG does

      Reply
    57. 57.

      Anoniminous

      January 5, 2023 at 12:23 pm

      @Alison Rose: ​

      Then why are people asking questions about how many votes McCarthy needs?

      Reply
    58. 58.

      Roger Moore

      January 5, 2023 at 12:24 pm

      @WV Blondie:

      I think a plurality vote is intended as a threat.  As long as the only consequence of being obstreperous is more votes, there’s very little motivation for the anti-McCarthy caucus to change their mind.  A plurality vote changes the stakes to “vote McCarthy or Jeffries wins”, which is a big enough threat they might pay attention.

      Reply
    59. 59.

      TooManyJens

      January 5, 2023 at 12:26 pm

      LOL, still going with Donalds. Can we shake it up a little? And why do Republicans have to scream all the time?

      Reply
    60. 60.

      MisterDancer

      January 5, 2023 at 12:26 pm

      A bit of good news on the Abortion Rights front: South Carolina’s 6-week Abortion Ban is rejected by the State of South Carolina’s Supreme Court! https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/south-carolina/articles/2023-01-05/south-carolina-supreme-court-strikes-down-state-abortion-ban

      Reply
    61. 61.

      geg6

      January 5, 2023 at 12:26 pm

      So proud of their tokenism, aren’t they?

      Reply
    62. 62.

      MisterForkbeard

      January 5, 2023 at 12:26 pm

      @tobie: Is that extra black guy George Santos? :)

      Reply
    63. 63.

      UncleEbeneezer

      January 5, 2023 at 12:26 pm

      Just finished Chapter Two of Mothers of Massive Resistance: White Women and the Politics of White Supremacy and holy shit, is it relevant for our current situation:

      “In the antebellum era, white southerners had complained about abolitionist sentiment in historical tracts.  In 1855, a Mississippi state legislator called for his state to encourage southern texts, written by southern authors and printed in southern publishing houses…in 1893, Mississippi’s state government established the Diffusion of Useful Information to monitor reading material and promote  white, South-friendly texts.  By the end of the century, UDC (United Daughters of Confederacy) chapters in OK, MD, GA and TX had tried unsuccessfully to ban textbooks that expressed anti-southern sentiment.”

      “By WWI, a national consensus in textbooks offered to the nation’s schoolchildren the following historical ‘truths’: Reconstruction was a mistake; American imperialism provided uplift to non-white people across the globe; the rise of the nation was a story of good democrats and hardworking Anglo-Saxon Protestants; and broad cooperation, not conflict, among all classes of Americans characterized the nation’s development.  The elevation this national historical narrative coincided with a decline in the treatments of African Americans.”

      And then the fight gets even worse in the 1920’s with the UDC, YWCA, American Legion etc., using their political strength to reinforce White Supremacist and American Exceptionalism narratives in textbooks all across the Southern States and even some Northern ones too).  All of which is to say that this fight over public schools goes back over a century and has always been a very difficult one.

      Reply
    64. 64.

      Anoniminous

      January 5, 2023 at 12:26 pm

      @Roger Moore: ​
       
      They probably expect the Democrats to bail them out by voting for McCarthy.

      Reply
    65. 65.

      Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

      January 5, 2023 at 12:27 pm

      @Kent:

      What is the rush to start with the dysfunction?

      They only know how to gossip about dysfunction. You don’t expect them to do investigative reporting, do you?

      Reply
    66. 66.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:27 pm

      @Anoniminous: Okay, I saw one person ask how many present votes would make HJ Speaker, and the answer to that would just be “no amount” because he still wouldn’t have 218.

      Reply
    67. 67.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 12:28 pm

      James and Donalds being promoted by Republicans in this fight is the most craven racist tokenism I have ever witnessed. I am sure the Republicans will best today’s effort tomorrow.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      CaseyL

      January 5, 2023 at 12:28 pm

      Oh, that was fun: Dan Bishop (R) going on about electing the first Black House Speaker of the House of Representatives – meaning Donalds – and the Democrats take up a chorus of “Hakeem! Hakeem!”

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Gin & Tonic

      January 5, 2023 at 12:28 pm

      @Alison Rose: I go to a lot of municipal meetings – boards, committees, that sort of stuff. Some I’m a voting member of. *All* start with a recitation of the Pledge, which I believe is monumentally stupid. So I stand and keep my hands at my sides and my mouth shut. I’m old and obnoxious, so nobody has ever said a word to me about it.

      Reply
    70. 70.

      Scout211

      January 5, 2023 at 12:29 pm

      [Oops, just deleted by accident].

      Senator Bob Casey announced he has prostate cancer.

      Link

      Reply
    71. 71.

      tobie

      January 5, 2023 at 12:31 pm

      @MisterForkbeard: LOL

      Reply
    72. 72.

      TooManyJens

      January 5, 2023 at 12:32 pm

      “He’s a man of personal convictions. In fact, he has personally been convicted.”

      Reply
    73. 73.

      Kent

      January 5, 2023 at 12:32 pm

      @Roger Moore:I think a plurality vote is intended as a threat.  As long as the only consequence of being obstreperous is more votes, there’s very little motivation for the anti-McCarthy caucus to change their mind.  A plurality vote changes the stakes to “vote McCarthy or Jeffries wins”, which is a big enough threat they might pay attention.

      It’s really not that much of a threat.  Because they can vote to remove him tomorrow if they want and bring us right back to where we started.  It isn’t like a regular election where if the Speaker wins he/she serves an automatic 2-year term.

      Reply
    74. 74.

      opiejeanne

      January 5, 2023 at 12:32 pm

      Who is this idiot speaking on the floor right now? And who did he just nominate? Donalds?

      Reply
    75. 75.

      Old School

      January 5, 2023 at 12:32 pm

      Enough with the nomination speeches.  Don’t these people realize we have 3-4 roll call votes to get through today?

      The speeches can be continued next week.  (Or will they still be there tomorrow?)

      Reply
    76. 76.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 12:32 pm

      @Scout211: fact: the majority of men get prostate cancer if they live long enough, but very few die from it.

      Reply
    77. 77.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 12:33 pm

      @opiejeanne: I so want this insanity to go on until January 6. It is the writer in me …

      Reply
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      eclare

      January 5, 2023 at 12:34 pm

      @TooManyJens:   I immediately thought of that, too.  He has convictions, in courts of law.

      Reply
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      Dangerman

      January 5, 2023 at 12:34 pm

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Good news in writing down any list of moderate Republicans, at least there will be no concerns for writers cramp.

      Reply
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      opiejeanne

      January 5, 2023 at 12:34 pm

      @Immanentize: True. But there is a very aggressive form of it that is usually early-onset. My husband was treated for it.

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    81. 81.

      CaseyL

      January 5, 2023 at 12:34 pm

      @TooManyJens:

      Ayup.  I thought that was an… unfortunately apt… choice of words.

      Reply
    82. 82.

      geg6

      January 5, 2023 at 12:35 pm

      @Scout211:

      My John had prostate cancer about a decade ago.  He was successfully treated quite easily and with little to no side effects.  His doctors told him that even if it came back, most men will die of something else before the prostate cancer gets them.  I have no doubt that Casey will be fine.

      ETA: Plus, with UPHS, AHN, UPMC and Hershey Medical Center at his fingertips, he’ll get the best treatment possible.  These are some of the finest medical systems in the country.

      Reply
    83. 83.

      MisterDancer

      January 5, 2023 at 12:36 pm

      @UncleEbeneezer: Yeppers! Not to sound silly about something very serious, yet it’s hard to underplay how destructive for America the promulgation of Lost Cause ideology into our cultural mainstream has been.

      We (as a country) still haven’t come fully to terms with just that aspect, all the work f the last few years included. But it does point very directly to the utter lack of interest in American Participatory Democracy that the GOP is dragging around, right now; you can’t buy into the Lost Cause without asserting that Democracy in America is basically a farce, and the only thing that matters is Raw Power.

      Reply
    84. 84.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 12:36 pm

      @Alison Rose: that is not true. If five Republicans announce “present” Jeffers would, I think, tie McCarthy even if all other Rs voted for Kevin. You only need a majority of members voting. “Present” is considered a non-vote.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      Roger Moore

      January 5, 2023 at 12:37 pm

      @CaseyL:

      They are believers in pulling up the ladder after they’ve climbed it.

      Reply
    86. 86.

      opiejeanne

      January 5, 2023 at 12:37 pm

      @Immanentize: I do too. I think one more day would just about do it for me.

      Reply
    87. 87.

      stacib

      January 5, 2023 at 12:39 pm

      @Ocotillo: Remember Obama’s response?  “You have a drink with them”.  LOL

      Reply
    88. 88.

      CaseyL

      January 5, 2023 at 12:39 pm

      @Roger Moore: True!

      Reply
    89. 89.

      WaterGirl

      January 5, 2023 at 12:40 pm

      Is anyone using Betty’s list of the 20 renegades as they listen to the roll call?  So we know if anyone changes their vote?

      Reply
    90. 90.

      PaulB

      January 5, 2023 at 12:40 pm

      Buck keeps threatening to vote for someone other than McCarthy, but he once again voted for McCarthy.

      So far, this is a repeat. With Cloud’s vote, McCarthy once again falls short.

      Reply
    91. 91.

      Almost Retired

      January 5, 2023 at 12:40 pm

      Good Lord, Dan Bishop is only 58.  He looks like he should be shuffling around The Villages.  Being a hateful, Conservative Republican will age you faster than a month in a tanning booth.

      Reply
    92. 92.

      japa21

      January 5, 2023 at 12:41 pm

      It will go to another round.

      Reply
    93. 93.

      Another Scott

      January 5, 2023 at 12:41 pm

      6 for Donalds in the “C”s again.  McCarthy loses again (apparently).

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    94. 94.

      Scout211

      January 5, 2023 at 12:41 pm

      For those jackals, like me, who can’t or won’t watch live, this from The CNN live updates made me laugh.

      GOP Rep. Dan Bishop rose in the chamber to nominate Rep. Byron Donalds again for speaker.

      “Yesterday, we could have elected the first Black speaker of the United States House of Representatives,” Bishop claimed in his speech.

      Democrats on the other side then started clapping and chanting “Hakeem” for Rep. Hakeem Jeffries.

      Reply
    95. 95.

      TaMara

      January 5, 2023 at 12:41 pm

      6. Kev’s toast again.

      Reply
    96. 96.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:42 pm

      @WaterGirl: Yep, I am. So far no one has flipped.

      Reply
    97. 97.

      PaulB

      January 5, 2023 at 12:42 pm

      @WaterGirl:  Is anyone using Betty’s list of the 20 renegades as they listen to the roll call?  So we know if anyone changes their vote?

      Yup. No change, so far.

      Not Kevin:
      Andy Biggs
      Dan Bishop
      Lauren Boebert
      Josh Brecheen
      Mike Cloud
      Andrew Clyde
      Eli Crane
      Byron Donalds
      Matt Gaetz
      Bob Good
      Paul Gosar
      Andy Harris
      Anna Paulina Luna
      Mary Miller
      Ralph Norman
      Andy Ogles
      Scott Perry
      Matt Rosendale
      Chip Roy
      Keith Self

      Present:
      Victoria Spartz

      Playing Games (But, so far, still voting for McCarthy):
      Ken Buck

      Reply
    98. 98.

      Geminid

      January 5, 2023 at 12:43 pm

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I might provide a list st of the twenty or so Republicans who defected from their caucus in the last Congress to vote for the Infrastructure and CHIPS + Bills. Most of them are still around, I think.

      But conditions are not ripe for the solution Tur is pushing, and the Democrats are wise not to pursue it. Conditions could ripen by late summer, when the debt ceiling issue becomes acute. Until then, Democrats should let the majority flail and flounder, and share none of the responsiblity for Republican dysfunction.

      Reply
    99. 99.

      Barbara

      January 5, 2023 at 12:43 pm

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

      Just heard Katie Tur oh-so-earnestly ask Congressman McGovern why Democrats can’t reach out to moderate Republicans and find a way out of this

      It sounds like the media is getting as bored as I am of this spectacle.   Except I don’t actually have to watch.

      Reply
    100. 100.

      Miss Bianca

      January 5, 2023 at 12:44 pm

      @geg6: From what I’ve observed, it seems that prostate cancer has two speeds: tortoise-slow and hare-speedy. Most of the men I know who’ve had it have experienced the former: however, I will never forget how fast Frank Zappa died of it, at age 52.

      Reply
    101. 101.

      Dangerman

      January 5, 2023 at 12:44 pm

      I thought McCarthy gave the losers everything they wanted but hookers and blow? I thought today was gonna be quick.

      Reply
    102. 102.

      Old School

      January 5, 2023 at 12:44 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      Is anyone using Betty’s list of the 20 renegades as they listen to the roll call?  So we know if anyone changes their vote?

      I’ve been following this list.  No one has changed yet.

      Reply
    103. 103.

      HumboldtBlue

      January 5, 2023 at 12:44 pm

      @Immanentize:

      James and Donalds being promoted by Republicans in this fight is the most craven racist tokenism I have ever witnessed.

      Clarence Thomas replacing Thurgood Marshall. Alan Keyes v Obama. Michael Steele elected speaker after Obama elected prez. They’ve been doing the tokenism forever.

      Reply
    104. 104.

      Kelly

      January 5, 2023 at 12:45 pm

      George Takei: On the upcoming anniversary of January 6, it looks again like a group of chaotic, political terrorists are trying to gain control of Capitol Hill.

      https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1610692172801781760

      Reply
    105. 105.

      Ken

      January 5, 2023 at 12:45 pm

      @japa21: Not if 7 Republicans try the pundits’ One Weird Trick and vote “Present”.  Or if 5 Democrats try the pundits’ Other Weird Trick and vote for McCarthy. Or if…

      You know, I’m beginning to think these pundits don’t actually know all that much about politics.

      Reply
    106. 106.

      japa21

      January 5, 2023 at 12:45 pm

      Let’s follow the GOP policy on not counting any more votes. Jeffries has a majority at this moment.

      Reply
    107. 107.

      eclare

      January 5, 2023 at 12:45 pm

      @WaterGirl:   On MSNBC Kornacki tracks the twenty and their votes each time.  So far in vote seven, no one has switched.

      Reply
    108. 108.

      CaseyL

      January 5, 2023 at 12:46 pm

      @WaterGirl: I want to see if that deal with the PACs has borne fruit.

      OMG.  Gaetz just voted for Trump. Oboyoboyoboy.

      Reply
    109. 109.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:47 pm

      Well that was weird…Donalds didn’t vote? We know he’s there, that dude kept pointing him out

      Reply
    110. 110.

      Ken

      January 5, 2023 at 12:47 pm

      @Dangerman: I thought McCarthy gave the losers everything they wanted but hookers and blow?

      And they get those for free at the Republican orgies, according to former GOP Representative Madison Cawthorn.

      Reply
    111. 111.

      PaulB

      January 5, 2023 at 12:47 pm

      Gaetz votes for Trump. What an idiot.

      Reply
    112. 112.

      eclare

      January 5, 2023 at 12:47 pm

      @Almost Retired:   Only four years older than I am! Wow!

      Reply
    113. 113.

      Old School

      January 5, 2023 at 12:47 pm

      There’s been a switch.  Gaetz votes for Trump.

      Reply
    114. 114.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 5, 2023 at 12:48 pm

      Confession: It’s hilarious to see Republicans turn their most effective weapon, tyranny of the ignorant minority, on themselves.

      And it’s damn delicious too!  May they lose the majority because of a few special elections.

      Reply
    115. 115.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:48 pm

      LOLOLOLOLOLOL GAETZ

      Reply
    116. 116.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 12:48 pm

      @Dangerman: oh, hookers and blow were McCarthy’s FIRST concession. They had a lot left over after Cawthorn left Congress.

      Reply
    117. 117.

      Almost Retired

      January 5, 2023 at 12:48 pm

      I think the stupidest concession McCarthy made was agreeing to stay out of contested Republican primaries – basically giving away the best tool the “sane” wing of the party had to thwart the triumph of the crazies.

      Reply
    118. 118.

      WaterGirl

      January 5, 2023 at 12:49 pm

      @Old School: @PaulB:  Thank you so much!

      Reply
    119. 119.

      Spanky

      January 5, 2023 at 12:49 pm

      @Scout211: Prostate cancer is one of the most treatable and recoverable cancers. He says he expects a full recovery, and anything else would be something of an anomaly.

      Reply
    120. 120.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 5, 2023 at 12:49 pm

      @PaulB:

      Gaetz votes for Trump. What an idiot. 

      Doesn’t Matty know that Dump isn’t a high school girl?

      Reply
    121. 121.

      Ken

      January 5, 2023 at 12:50 pm

      @PaulB: @Old School: The dam breaks. Next round, one of the twenty loons nominates Trump, and they all vote for him, plus another dozen or so switch from McCarthy.

      Then we see if there really is such a thing as a “moderate Republican” in the House, because they’ll be the ones being carried out by the paramedics after having a stroke.

      Reply
    122. 122.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 12:50 pm

      @Old School: Soldier til the end. Gaetz is playing the stupid game….

      Reply
    123. 123.

      PaulB

      January 5, 2023 at 12:50 pm

      @Dangerman:  I thought McCarthy gave the losers everything they wanted but hookers and blow? I thought today was gonna be quick.

      They may still be negotiating the details, particularly with respect to committee membership and chair assignments. If he gives them everything they ask for, he risks pissing off the other members who also want committee representation and chair assignments.

      Reply
    124. 124.

      EarthWindFire

      January 5, 2023 at 12:51 pm

      @CaseyL: Bishop’s butthurt over a “member-elect” calling Donalds a prop was just precious.

      Please. If they were so hot on electing Donalds, why didn’t they nominate him the first round? Why didn’t they know Gym didn’t want the job before putting his name out and just nominate Donalds? Another group of questions our “liberal media” won’t be asking.

      Reply
    125. 125.

      WaterGirl

      January 5, 2023 at 12:51 pm

      @Alison Rose: Maybe he wants the spotlight when they call the names of those who haven’t voted, and give them another chance to vote.

      Reply
    126. 126.

      CaseyL

      January 5, 2023 at 12:51 pm

      Wait, is Hageman (Nut-WY) a no-show??

      Reply
    127. 127.

      Geminid

      January 5, 2023 at 12:52 pm

      @tobie: I think with Burgess Owens of Utah the number of Black Republican Representatives is now 3. That does not detract from the point you make though.

      Reply
    128. 128.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:52 pm

      @WaterGirl: Saw a tweet saying he and Emmer had just left Emmer’s office. I wonder if they convinced him not to vote for himself

      Reply
    129. 129.

      opiejeanne

      January 5, 2023 at 12:52 pm

      @Miss Bianca: My husband had the second type, diagnosed at 56. It was treated successfully, but things did not go back to the way they were before the surgery.

      I’d rather have him still tottering around for another 20 years than the alternative.

      Reply
    130. 130.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 12:52 pm

      Ok, serious question — isn’t Scalise supposed to be the whip?? Can’t any Republican count before a vote is taken?!

      Reply
    131. 131.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 12:52 pm

      This would never happen to Nancy D’Alesandro Pelosi.
      — Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) January 5, 2023

      Reply
    132. 132.

      TaMara

      January 5, 2023 at 12:53 pm

      Gaetz wants to make sure that pardon comes through if the spoiled orange marmalade every takes power again.

      Reply
    133. 133.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 5, 2023 at 12:53 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      oops, i forgot to include the c-span embed for anyone who wants to follow along. It’s up there now. 

      For those who would like their schaden to freudeth over.

      Reply
    134. 134.

      PaulB

      January 5, 2023 at 12:54 pm

      I have a simpler way to vote:

      “Any member who wishes to change their vote from the last time we did this, please raise your hand.”

      “I see no hands raised, the vote stands as previously tabulated.”

      Reply
    135. 135.

      Ken

      January 5, 2023 at 12:54 pm

      @PaulB: Ah yes, the “lie to everyone and hope they don’t get together to compare notes” style of leadership.  But he has to realize they’ll notice sometime after the House convenes, and he’ll get hit with a vote of no confidence.  Unless his ambitions begin and end with becoming Speaker, and he doesn’t care if he’s also the shortest-serving one in history?

      Reply
    136. 136.

      Raoul Paste

      January 5, 2023 at 12:54 pm

      The banner of Jack E. Smith’s Twitter, page is many duplicates of him wearing the same suit, tie and sunglasses.  Well played, Mr Smith

      Reply
    137. 137.

      CaseyL

      January 5, 2023 at 12:54 pm

      @Immanentize: You’d think, even if there was no Whip, someone would do a count.

      Reply
    138. 138.

      eclare

      January 5, 2023 at 12:54 pm

      @PaulB:    Hahaha…

      Reply
    139. 139.

      UncleEbeneezer

      January 5, 2023 at 12:55 pm

      @MisterDancer: And it was always more than just the Lost Cause, also using the threats of Socialism, Communism, Immigrants, Bussing, Diversity etc.  Anything that might hurt White People’s feelings.  I swear, you could easily swap in “CRT/Groomers” and the pearl-clutching screeds from the 1890’s, 1920’s, 1950’s etc. would be identical to what we are seeing now.  Sadly in a system where States and local School-boards have outsized power and are dominated by white people, (plus our current SCOTUS) this problem is going to be around for a very long time.

      Reply
    140. 140.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 12:56 pm

      @Spanky: This is a great point. Some, I have read, think the failure of the NY Dem party this round is primarily the product of a very week central committee.

      Reply
    141. 141.

      dmsilev

      January 5, 2023 at 12:56 pm

      @Ken: At this point, that seems plausible. He wants to Be the Speaker just for the title, not to pass any sort of signature legislation or anything like that. So, is there really any difference between being Speaker for one term vs. one head of lettuce?

      Reply
    142. 142.

      WaterGirl

      January 5, 2023 at 12:56 pm

      @Raoul Paste: What is that referencing?  I must have missed that meme or that movie.

      Reply
    143. 143.

      geg6

      January 5, 2023 at 12:57 pm

      @Miss Bianca:

      Treatments are infinitely better and more effective than they were in 1993.  John’s doctors told him almost no one dies from prostate cancer anymore.  The survival rate is something like 95%.

      Reply
    144. 144.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 5, 2023 at 12:57 pm

      @Alison Rose:

      LOL she wrote a book??? Was it just full of self-satisfied sneering? 

      LMAO!

      Reply
    145. 145.

      WaterGirl

      January 5, 2023 at 12:57 pm

      @CaseyL: Maybe they are trying to whip the votes and all 20 are responding with their usual maturity: “wouldn’t you like to know?”

      Reply
    146. 146.

      Miss Bianca

      January 5, 2023 at 12:58 pm

      @opiejeanne: I’m wondering if age of onset has something to do with its virulence. Like, if you get it at a younger age (40s-50s) it’s more serious than if you get it when you’re older (60s+)

      ETA: To your later point, seems like that’s true. And hormone treatments (e.g., testosterone suppression) seem to be playing a bigger role in treatment regimens. Have a friend going through that now – I need to call him, now that i’m thinking about it, thanks for the reminder!

      Reply
    147. 147.

      CaseyL

      January 5, 2023 at 12:58 pm

      @WaterGirl: A distinct possibility.

      Ah – someone must have switched their vote to McCarthy; there was applause.

      Reply
    148. 148.

      opiejeanne

      January 5, 2023 at 12:58 pm

      @Almost Retired: McCarthy needs to walk across the aisle and ignore the bomb throwers in his party. He can offer to take the budget threat of a shutdown, cuts to Social Security & Medicare, and a couple of other important things completely off the table, write it in his own blood with Nancy and Hakeem as witnesses, in return for just enough votes from the Democrats. promise to reneg on EVERYTHING he promised those particular  idiots in his own party.

      And then we might consider it.

      Reply
    149. 149.

      Anoniminous

      January 5, 2023 at 12:59 pm

      @Alison Rose: ​
      218 votes is, once again, McCarthy’s needed total IFF all 434 House members are present and voting. Change either of those two criteria and the total absolute vote changes, thus the needed majority of votes. Example, McCarthy got 203 votes in the last ballot. If the Crazy Faction members had said “Present” instead of voting for dumbass Jeffries with his 212 votes would have been elected Speaker for the 27 seconds it would take for enough members of the Crazy Faction to stand up and demand a House Speaker election under the current rules.

      Reply
    150. 150.

      Roger Moore

      January 5, 2023 at 12:59 pm

      @Barbara:

      It sounds like the media is getting as bored as I am of this spectacle.

      The media’s attention span should not be a major determinant of how our government works, and it displays a stunning degree of solipsism on the part of the media to behave as though it should.

      Reply
    151. 151.

      CaseyL

      January 5, 2023 at 1:00 pm

      @Anoniminous: At least two members seem not to be there today.

      Reply
    152. 152.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 1:01 pm

      @WaterGirl: Looks like The Matrix to me, but I could be wrong, I haven’t seen a new movie in like a decade.

      Reply
    153. 153.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 1:01 pm

      @opiejeanne: Besides those things, Dems want equal member representation on all committees.

      Reply
    154. 154.

      PaulB

      January 5, 2023 at 1:01 pm

      @CaseyL:  Ah – someone must have switched their vote to McCarthy; there was applause.

      No, that was McCarthy voting for himself. The Democrats applauded when Jeffries voted for himself.

      Reply
    155. 155.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 1:01 pm

      @CaseyL: I don’t think anyone switched, not by my list. I think it was just the dopey way they said it?

      Reply
    156. 156.

      Geminid

      January 5, 2023 at 1:01 pm

      @Ken: I don’t think the more moderate, purple district members will have strokes. Most will be too busy polishing up their resumes because they know they’ll be hunting jobs come 2025.

      Some like Don Bacon (NE) will be planning their retirement life. If I were in Bacon’s shoes I’d be making a list of different miniature golf courses to tour.

      Reply
    157. 157.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 5, 2023 at 1:02 pm

      @tobie:

      Elise Stefanik has a terrifying smile. It’s not only that it’s clearly fake. It’s that it looks like she wants to bite your head off with teeth sharpened for that purpose. 

      Ever seen Trilogy of Terror from 1975?

      Reply
    158. 158.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 1:02 pm

      @CaseyL: Can you really blame the for deciding their acupuncture appointment was more important?

      Reply
    159. 159.

      PaulB

      January 5, 2023 at 1:03 pm

      @Immanentize: Ok, serious question — isn’t Scalise supposed to be the whip?? Can’t any Republican count before a vote is taken?!

      I’m pretty sure the party doesn’t whip on votes like this, so it’s not Scalise’s responsibility.

      It is, however, Kevin McCarthy’s responsibility to make sure he has the votes. He’s still scrambling and groveling. Now why they didn’t ask for a multi-day postponement, I don’t know.

      Reply
    160. 160.

      geg6

      January 5, 2023 at 1:03 pm

      @mrmoshpotato:

      Perfect!  That’s exactly what I was trying to think of!

      Reply
    161. 161.

      dww44

      January 5, 2023 at 1:03 pm

      @geg6: I’ve a cousin in my extended Family whose prognosis is not good.  There are 5 males in that family line, 3 of whom all had prostate cancer, another who survived to die from something else.  This relative’s cancer has metastasized to other regions of his body.

      Reply
    162. 162.

      Jim, Foolish Literalist

      January 5, 2023 at 1:04 pm

      @Geminid: Not sure who’s counted whom, but: Owens, Donalds, Wesley Hunt of TX (co-starred in that goofy Dan Crenshaw campaign video and won) and John James of MI? as I see it, James is the one to watch. Second-generation successful business, West Point and UM, and doesn’t come across as a kook, but is willing to pretend to be one.

      From what little I’ve seen of Hunt, he may have a future too. Another West Pointer, flew Apaches in the Bush Wars, and from what little I’ve seen of him can also appear normal to Normies (which is a pretty low bar for a TX Republican).

      Reply
    163. 163.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 1:04 pm

      Well, Trump is about to lose another election
      — Grace Segers (@Grace_Segers) January 5, 2023

      Reply
    164. 164.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 1:04 pm

      @Geminid: i have decided to make a concerted effort, whatever that might mean, to swing my new vacation home district blue (NY 22). Getting college students fired up would be one strategy.

      Reply
    165. 165.

      snoey

      January 5, 2023 at 1:05 pm

      @Miss Bianca: Everything slows down as you get older, including your tumors.

      Reply
    166. 166.

      JaySinWA

      January 5, 2023 at 1:06 pm

      @CaseyL: The new COVID is ripping through the Northeast along with flu and RSV. I am not seeing anyone masking in the chamber. There will be sickness.

      Reply
    167. 167.

      geg6

      January 5, 2023 at 1:07 pm

      @dww44:

      Oh, that’s bad and I’m sorry to hear it.  It is unusual though.  My mother died of breast cancer that metastasized to her bones after battling it three times and winning twice.  It’s not a good way to go, for sure.  I wish him all the best and that he beats the odds.

      Reply
    168. 168.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 5, 2023 at 1:07 pm

      I can’t believe some of you are watching day 2 (3?) of this obvious shitshow.  But thank you for your running commentary.  It’s entertaining. :)

      Reply
    169. 169.

      Ken

      January 5, 2023 at 1:08 pm

      Kevin McCarthy finally won a vote…to not lose the vote for the 7th time. — Jack E. Smith

      And now even that has been snatched away from him.

      Reply
    170. 170.

      Almost Retired

      January 5, 2023 at 1:08 pm

      @opiejeanne:  That would be imminently sensible.  Which is why it won’t happen.

      Reply
    171. 171.

      PaulB

      January 5, 2023 at 1:08 pm

      Two voters missed their vote call (Donalds and Perry) but the rest of the crazy caucus has continued to vote for not-Kevin.

      Spartz, who voted Present in the last two calls, missed her vote, as well.

      Aside from Gaetz voting for Trump, nothing has changed.

      Reply
    172. 172.

      geg6

      January 5, 2023 at 1:09 pm

      @Ken:

      LOLOLOLOLOL!

      Reply
    173. 173.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 1:09 pm

      So, from the Never-Kevins, Donalds and Perry weren’t in the room to vote when called, and neither was “present” Spartz. Wonder what will happen when they go back for the missed votes. Everyone else still went for Donalds. Except Gaetz of course, LOL

      Reply
    174. 174.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 1:10 pm

      @mrmoshpotato: Elise Stefanik is auditioning for the actual (not fictional) position as  The Mouth of Sauron.

      Reply
    175. 175.

      Geminid

      January 5, 2023 at 1:11 pm

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist: So Hunt would make it 4 Black Republican House members.

      Owens’ Utah seat was held by Mia Love, another Black Republican. She got washed away by the 2018 Blue Wave, and then Owens flipped the seat back in 2020.

      I mainly know Owens as the target of a hardhitting Judiciary Committee speech by Hakeem Jeffries. Owens had attacked Democrates in his first Committee speech and Jeffries was not having it. Part way through Jeffries started, “You know what?…” Savvy Jeffries watchers commented that they knew then that he was was taking off the gloves, and he did.

      Reply
    176. 176.

      SiubhanDuinne

      January 5, 2023 at 1:11 pm

      @HumboldtBlue:

      Clarence Thomas replacing Thurgood Marshall. Alan Keyes v Obama. Michael Steele elected speaker after Obama elected prez. They’ve been doing the tokenism forever.

      Walker v Warnock.

      Reply
    177. 177.

      opiejeanne

      January 5, 2023 at 1:12 pm

      @Immanentize: Definitely one of the important things.

      We should make a list of demands.

      Reply
    178. 178.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 1:12 pm

      @PaulB: whipping and counting,true, may be two different things. But Scalise ought to be counting if he really supported McCarthy. I suspect Kevin may have some momentary allies, but he has NO friends.

      Nancy Smash had both.

      Reply
    179. 179.

      HumboldtBlue

      January 5, 2023 at 1:13 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne:

      Yup, how’d I forget that?

      Reply
    180. 180.

      opiejeanne

      January 5, 2023 at 1:14 pm

      @Geminid: If he comes to Seattle, he needs to be wary of the indoor course.

      Reply
    181. 181.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 1:15 pm

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Why is it I trust Democratic members who are ex-military way more than such Rep. members?

      Hmmmm🤔

      Oh yeah, January 6, 2021! 💡

      Reply
    182. 182.

      PaulB

      January 5, 2023 at 1:16 pm

      Thank heaven for small favors that the only speeches allowed are the nominating speeches. Could you imagine how bloody awful this would be if each member was permitted to give a speech before their vote?!

      Donalds votes for Donalds; Perry missed his vote call again; Spartz voted Present again.

      Aside from Perry’s missed vote and Gaetz voting for Trump, this was a repeat.

      Edited to add that Perry has now finally voted: for Donalds. So very much the status quo and McCarthy is humiliated yet again.

      (I had originally noted that Jeffries was missing a vote, but the vote count has been updated, and Jeffries does indeed have the 212 votes he has had all along.)

      Reply
    183. 183.

      Alison Rose

      January 5, 2023 at 1:16 pm

      Welp, Emmer’s efforts didn’t work apparently, Donalds still voted for himself. Perry still not there, apparently. Spartz still just present. What a fucking shitshow this i

       

      eta Perry finally showed up and voted Donalds

      Reply
    184. 184.

      artem1s

      January 5, 2023 at 1:17 pm

      @PaulB: ​
       

      Aside from Gaetz voting for Trump, nothing has changed.

      Oh goodie! let the fun begin!

      Reply
    185. 185.

      Ivan X

      January 5, 2023 at 1:17 pm

      @mrmoshpotato: Lol, yes I have.

      Reply
    186. 186.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 1:18 pm

      @PaulB:
      Donalds missed his vote? Isn’t that rich.

      Reply
    187. 187.

      PaulB

      January 5, 2023 at 1:19 pm

      So now what? Vote #8 or adjournment? Place your bets.

      (Let the finger-pointing and blame game begin!)

      Reply
    188. 188.

      WaterGirl

      January 5, 2023 at 1:20 pm

      @PaulB: Who is the missing Jeffries vote?  CSPAN is saying 212 again

      Reply
    189. 189.

      PaulB

      January 5, 2023 at 1:22 pm

      @WaterGirl: I just updated that comment. C-Span had listed 211 votes, so I assumed that a Democratic Representative was absent or had missed the vote. I caught the update just as you did, so I edited my post above.

      Reply
    190. 190.

      Warblewarble

      January 5, 2023 at 1:23 pm

      “Oh frabjous day calooh callay, he chortled in his joy” Gaetz votes for tRUMP .HA HA HA.

      Reply
    191. 191.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 1:23 pm

      @PaulB: I think they will try another with the plea:

      “Please oh please oh please do not make us Republicans do this on the second anniversary of the Republican insurrection!” Which speech will instantly make the anti-McCarthy vote surge to 50 against.

      Reply
    192. 192.

      PaulB

      January 5, 2023 at 1:24 pm

      @Immanentize:  Oh, if only….

      Reply
    193. 193.

      opiejeanne

      January 5, 2023 at 1:24 pm

      @WaterGirl: The Matrix. He is Mr Smith.

      Reply
    194. 194.

      artem1s

      January 5, 2023 at 1:25 pm

      one less day to hold Hunter Biden penis hearings. Qevin haz a sad!

      Reply
    195. 195.

      PaulB

      January 5, 2023 at 1:26 pm

      @artem1s: That’s why I’m not really worried about the current shenanigans. There is no urgency here, as the only thing on the Republican agenda for the first couple of weeks was empty posturing and reading the Constitution. BFD.

      Reply
    196. 196.

      Immanentize

      January 5, 2023 at 1:27 pm

      @PaulB: If I were the type who wanted to celebrate the insurrection, solidify the date as one of rebellion, and disrupt plans to recognize those who saved the Union that day — I would certainly force votes (if I could) to continue until tomorrow.

      Reply
    197. 197.

      Geminid

      January 5, 2023 at 1:27 pm

      @opiejeanne: If it were me, I’d start out in Myrtle Beach. They must have 25 outdoor miniature golf course to go along with 40 pancake houses. By the time I got to the Nofthwest the Seattle course will have glued down the loose edge that got you. If they know what’s good for them they’ve glued it down already.

      Now, I’m wondering how your healing has progressed. Well, I hope.

      Reply
    198. 198.

      opiejeanne

      January 5, 2023 at 1:28 pm

      @Warblewarble: I think someone here predicted that Trump would be nominated today. Next round, for sure.

      Reply
    199. 199.

      PaulB

      January 5, 2023 at 1:29 pm

      Paraphrasing a Politico tweet, as heard on C-Span: “Kevin wants to adjourn; Dems would vote to block.”

      Reply
    200. 200.

      Roger Moore

      January 5, 2023 at 1:32 pm

      @Miss Bianca:

      I’m wondering if age of onset has something to do with its virulence. Like, if you get it at a younger age (40s-50s) it’s more serious than if you get it when you’re older (60s+)

      Very likely so.  Many prostrate tumors are so slow growing they don’t even bother to treat them right away, and they might well have been growing slowly since the man was in his 30s.  If they took a few decades to grow to the point of being detectable, they’re probably going to take another couple of decades before they’re a health risk.  But if they grow fast enough to be detected much earlier, they’re probably in the fast growing minority and thus a lot more dangerous.

      Reply
    201. 201.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 5, 2023 at 1:32 pm

      @Ken:

      Not if 7 Republicans try the pundits’ One Weird Trick and vote “Present”. Or if 5 Democrats try the pundits’ Other Weird Trick and vote for McCarthy. Or if… 

      You know, I’m beginning to think these pundits don’t actually know all that much about politics.

      Pundits?  You sure you didn’t misspell “pustules?”

      Reply
    202. 202.

      opiejeanne

      January 5, 2023 at 1:33 pm

      @Geminid: The course is built on a series of raised platforms. I caught my foot under the edge of one as I was stepping up onto it.

      Other than that, the place is great. It’s a bar with pretty good food, built in an old car showroom, and there’s parking around the corner at some institute or other. It’s a complete hazard course inside, with drunk people hitting golf balls with clubs, and some very wonky holes with very uneven greens.

      Reply
    203. 203.

      rikyrah

      January 5, 2023 at 1:33 pm

      #7?

      SEVEN?

       

      BWA HA HA HA HA HAH A AHAH

      Reply
    204. 204.

      PaulB

      January 5, 2023 at 1:40 pm

      C-Span is now reporting that there will be an 8th vote today.

      Reply
    205. 205.

      Citizen Alan

      January 5, 2023 at 1:46 pm

      @HumboldtBlue: The funniest of those was Steele, because he shocked the GOP by being a competent black man and thus was kicked out asap.

      Reply
    206. 206.

      Warblewarble

      January 5, 2023 at 2:05 pm

      tRUMP demands a recount ,”find me the missing votes”

      Reply
    207. 207.

      Geminid

      January 5, 2023 at 2:09 pm

      @opiejeanne: Sounds like you may have got caught on what is known as a “tripper.” I did some layout work on walkways when I worked for a building contactor, and my boss emphasized that steps shorter than 4 inches should be avoided as they were trippers.

      My Atlanta friend got tripped by a low curb when he was canvassing for Ossoff and Warnock in December, 2020. The area in front of the curb had been repaved so the curb was too short a step. Even 4″ is pushing the safety envelope some.

      Warren broke a wrist and injured the shoulder opposite to keep from faceplanting on the sidewalk. That was Warren’s last time canvassing, but he proudly says that he finished delivering all his literature that day. Then his wife Claire picked him up drove him to the emergency room.

      Reply
    208. 208.

      lowtechcyclist

      January 5, 2023 at 2:20 pm

      @PaulB:

      C-Span is now reporting that there will be an 8th vote today.

      And it’s well underway, and Kevin looks like he’ll be about as successful in vote #8 as he was in votes 1-7.  Already 7 non-Kevin GOP votes.

      Reply
    209. 209.

      Geminid

      January 5, 2023 at 2:33 pm

      @Citizen Alan: Yes, and Steele did not have much of a future in Maryland elective politics.  I think he is a good commentator though. I find that often, the most perceptive analysis of Republican politics comes from former Republicans like Steele, the guy who runs The Bulwark, and Ron Filipkowski.

      Filipkowski identifies as a Democrat now. I’m not sure about the others but that does not matter much to me.

      Reply
    210. 210.

      artem1s

      January 5, 2023 at 2:52 pm

      tomorrow is the anniversary. the nomination speeches could really be “something”. they better not be planning any performance art to go with them.

      Reply
    211. 211.

      Tony Jay

      January 5, 2023 at 2:52 pm

      @Alison Rose:

      And they always will. The Gospel of Eternal Victimitude is a call-and-response creed.

      @WaterGirl:

      This x 1000 exploding stars

      Reply
    212. 212.

      Paul in KY

      January 5, 2023 at 3:09 pm

      @tobie: A whole 1 to 2!!!! Kevin McCarthy, go on with your bad ass! Whooo!

      Reply

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