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Insurrection II: This Time The Call Is Coming From Inside the House (12th Attempt Starts Now)

by WaterGirl|  January 6, 202311:45 am| 368 Comments

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Insurrection II: This Time The Call Is Coming From Inside the House

Day 4, attempt 12.  I am getting tired of this movie franchise.  The first 11 weren’t enough???

Will there still be 20 bomb throwers after the first vote?  Or will there be more?  Or fewer?

Stay tuned!

 

I changed the featured image from the circus monkey used for yesterday’s posts to the gallows built on Jan 6, 2021. I really am convinced that this is enemy action from inside the house, not a bunch of clowns who are trying to make a point by humiliating McCarthy.

Open thread.

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    1. 1.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 11:46 am

      For what it’s worth, I don’t know that all 20 of the bomb throwers understand the whole game.  But some of the 20 most certainly do.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      Baud

      January 6, 2023 at 11:48 am

       I am getting tired of this movie franchise.  The first 11 weren’t enough???

      The Slow and the Incurious.

      Reply
    3. 3.

      schrodingers_cat

      January 6, 2023 at 11:49 am

      @WaterGirl: What is their plan according to you? Stall seating the Congress forever?

      Reply
    4. 4.

      Alison Rose

      January 6, 2023 at 11:50 am

      I don’t know if I can sit through the votes anymore. Might just follow along here and Twitter. I think I’m only curious at this point to see if any of the Nevers have finally agreed to support him.

      Reply
    5. 5.

      Elizabelle

      January 6, 2023 at 11:51 am

      I am SO not interested in these bozos.  They can set their heads on fire, for all I care.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      Leto

      January 6, 2023 at 11:55 am

      Justin [email protected]
      3h
      It’s jobs day, and non-farm payrolls for December comes in HOT again, adding 223k jobs, which is both robust in its own right, and stronger than expected.

      Unemployment is down a tick to 3.5%, near 50-year lows. Anyone who thinks this is economy is in a recession is bananas.

      Payrolls jobs for the previous two months were revised down slights (November down 7k to +256k; October down 21k to +263k). But still the 3-month average is rocking along at an extraordinary +247k new jobs per month, and if it’s slowing, not by much.

      Hang on, I’ve just calculated the unemployment rate to extra decimal places, and December’s rate of 3.468% is a new 50 YEAR LOW, the lowest rate since 1969.

      8:39 AM · Jan 6, 2023

      Beat the everloving shit out of Republicans with this. All day, every day.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      comrade scotts agenda of rage

      January 6, 2023 at 11:55 am

      I’m apparently in the minority here.  The longer it takes to seat this clown, that’s one less day we have to endure hearings about Hunter Biden’s Laptop or any other incidence of faux-outrage these kooks dream up.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 6, 2023 at 11:57 am

      Day 4, attempt 12.

      Hot! Diggity! Dumbasses!

      Just turn over control to the adults who actually want to govern (the Democratic party), you fuckfaces!

      Reply
    9. 9.

      NotoriousJRT

      January 6, 2023 at 11:57 am

      Who are the Wheat Bozos and who are the Chaff Bozos? The entire caucus is at fault.  There are no get out of jail free cards for this national train wreck.

      Reply
    10. 10.

      Ken

      January 6, 2023 at 11:59 am

      This Time the Call is Coming from Inside the House

      Oh, I think there were some calls coming from inside the House two years ago.

      One of the fantasy scenarios in our recent comments was that someone else gets voted in as Speaker, and McCarthy walks out of the building and down to the DOJ to cooperate with their investigation.

      Reply
    11. 11.

      Elizabelle

      January 6, 2023 at 11:59 am

      @comrade scotts agenda of rage:  Maybe not in the minority.  That’s precisely my take, too.

      This makes the Democrats look all the more prescient for passing urgent funding requests while they still controlled the House.

      Reply
    12. 12.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 11:59 am

      @Baud:

      The Slow and the Incurious.

      Me?

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Soprano2

      January 6, 2023 at 12:00 pm

      @WaterGirl: The only thing is, they’re also chomping at the bit to start all those pointless investigations and to impeach Joe Biden and everyone in his administration every day, and they can’t do any of that until they elect a Speaker.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      M31

      January 6, 2023 at 12:00 pm

      lol the WaPo and their low expectations — latest is that if a few more votes go to McCarthy, he still won’t win, but it would create ‘momentum’.

      So if you lose 11 football games 21-3, but then you lose one by 21-6 you’re totally on a winning streak and momentum is on your side

      ok, 12pm time for the losing to start, LET’S GO TEAM

      Reply
    15. 15.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:00 pm

      @schrodingers_cat:

      Stall seating the Congress forever?

      No.

      Reply
    16. 16.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:01 pm

      @Elizabelle: It’s an open thread.  Talk about whatever you want.

      Reply
    17. 17.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:01 pm

      McCarthy has said that votes are possible over the weekend, so he apparently a) doesn’t expect to win today, and b) doesn’t want to adjourn until Monday?

      It will be interesting to see if all of those breathless stories about a deal *in writing* (!!!!) have actually come true and, if so, whether any votes are moved.

      It will also be interesting to see whether the holdouts offer up anyone new for consideration as a candidate.

      Reply
    18. 18.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 12:02 pm

      @comrade scotts agenda of rage:

      I’m with you, one less day for Gym to shriek about Hunter and Dr. Fauci.

      Reply
    19. 19.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:02 pm

      Assholes on the phones during the prayer referencing the insurrection 2 years ago.

      Reply
    20. 20.

      SFAW

      January 6, 2023 at 12:02 pm

      According to TPM, some McQarthy-supporting TX Rethug has gone home, won’t be back for NN votes. A few more like that, and it’s “Speaker Jeffries, come on down!”
      [No, I don’t really think he’ll get it, but it’s fun to joke about it.]

      Reply
    21. 21.

      schrodingers_cat

      January 6, 2023 at 12:03 pm

      @WaterGirl: What is their goal? How does this fiasco achieve that goal.

      Reply
    22. 22.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:04 pm

      Who thinks this quorum issue was planned as a delaying tactic?  My hand is raised.

      Reply
    23. 23.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 6, 2023 at 12:04 pm

      I really am convinced that this is enemy action from inside the house, not a bunch of clowns who are trying to make a point by humiliating McCarthy.

      I concur.

      Reply
    24. 24.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:05 pm

      @comrade scotts agenda of rage: I agree with that in the short-term.  But the promises they are extracting in return for maybe McCarthy votes gives a crazy amount of power to the so-called Freedom Caucus, and I think they are bomb-throwers and will try to destroy as much as they can from within.

      That’s the part that concerns me.

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    25. 25.

      The Moar You Know

      January 6, 2023 at 12:06 pm

      McCarthy has said that votes are possible over the weekend

      @PaulB: first smart move he has made.  You want to have daily tantrums?  Fine, no days off to fly back and see your 15 year old wife, or however old Gaetz’s child bride is.  You sit in the dome and realize it’s the weekend and nobody is paying attention to you.

      Reply
    26. 26.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:06 pm

      Representative Wesley Hunt (R-TX), a McCarthy vote, will miss the vote(s) today and over the weekend. His wife gave birth prematurely and their newborn son spent time in the neonatal ICU.

      Reply
    27. 27.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:07 pm

      @Ken:

      Oh, I think there were some calls coming from inside the House two years ago.

      I thought the same thing, even as I typed the words up top!  But in a different way now.

      Reply
    28. 28.

      Leto

      January 6, 2023 at 12:08 pm

      @PaulB: ​ smearing poop all over the place, as well as flinging hamburders against the wall, does not count as “writing”.

      Reply
    29. 29.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:09 pm

      House Democrats are whipping against any potential adjournment vote, so McCarthy would need near unanimity in his caucus to adjourn.

      Reply
    30. 30.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 6, 2023 at 12:09 pm

      Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action

      And what the flying fuck is the twelfth time?!

      Someone teleport me some maple breakfast sausage.

      Reply
    31. 31.

      fancycwabs

      January 6, 2023 at 12:09 pm

      @PaulB: On what authority is McCarthy saying he’s gonna have votes over the weekend? It’s not like he’s Speaker of the House.

      Reply
    32. 32.

      Steeplejack

      January 6, 2023 at 12:09 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      It’s a play on the Fast and Furious movie franchise.

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Old School

      January 6, 2023 at 12:09 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      Who thinks this quorum issue was planned as a delaying tactic?

      They did a quorum count yesterday too.  Not sure about the earlier days.

      Reply
    34. 34.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:10 pm

      275 members are present, so they have a quorum.

      But, really, only 275?

      Reply
    35. 35.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:11 pm

      @Soprano2: I am starting to think that there are two factions at work here, and for the moment they are on the same path with what appears to be the same goal.

      Short-term goal?  Embarrass and humiliate McConnell.  That works for both factions.

      The side that wants to completely tip over the table has a bigger goal, I think, which is to undermine the government by taking control of the House.  They are willing to postpone hearings, etc for their larger goal.

      That’s my thinking at the moment, at least.  My thoughts on this took a turn last night and they are evolving.

      Reply
    36. 36.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 6, 2023 at 12:11 pm

      @Baud:

      The Slow and the Incurious. 

      The Shit and the Assiest.

      Reply
    37. 37.

      trollhattan

      January 6, 2023 at 12:12 pm

      When is the next debt ceiling cliff? (Can a cliff have a ceiling, or vice versa?)

      Asking for a friend.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:12 pm

      And we’re off….

      Here come the nominating speeches, none of which I will listen to.

      Reply
    39. 39.

      Ken

      January 6, 2023 at 12:13 pm

      @Alison Rose: I don’t know if I can sit through the votes anymore.

      Someone last night said that they were beginning to learn the names of all the representatives in order, from the repetition.

      I haven’t been listening. Does the list have a good rhythm? Maybe Lin-Manuel Miranda can put them into a rap, for his new musical “No, Kevin”.

      Reply
    40. 40.

      Uncle Cosmo

      January 6, 2023 at 12:13 pm

      @Steeplejack: ​The Crass and the Spurious…

      Reply
    41. 41.

      Joy in FL

      January 6, 2023 at 12:14 pm

      Fascinating strategy: I want you to vote for Kevin, but this vote is not about Kevin. Therefore, vote for Kevin.

      Reply
    42. 42.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 6, 2023 at 12:14 pm

      @Alison Rose:

      I don’t know if I can sit through the votes anymore. 

      Even you masochists (yes, you all are!) are giving up! 🤣🤣🤣😁

      Reply
    43. 43.

      Leto

      January 6, 2023 at 12:14 pm

      I can only hope Officer Goodman punches this worthless turd straight in the scrote. Thanking the Capitol Hill Police… asswipe.

      Reply
    44. 44.

      Joy in FL

      January 6, 2023 at 12:14 pm

      @WaterGirl:  I think you are right about this. It’s dangerous, and not in obvious ways.

      Reply
    45. 45.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:15 pm

      Your cheat sheet.

      Not Kevin:

      • Andy Biggs
      • Dan Bishop
      • Lauren Boebert
      • Josh Brecheen
      • Mike Cloud
      • Andrew Clyde
      • Eli Crane
      • Byron Donalds
      • Matt Gaetz
      • Bob Good
      • Paul Gosar
      • Andy Harris
      • Anna Paulina Luna
      • Mary Miller
      • Ralph Norman
      • Andy Ogles
      • Scott Perry
      • Matt Rosendale
      • Chip Roy
      • Keith Self

      Present:

      • Victoria Spartz
      Reply
    46. 46.

      MattF

      January 6, 2023 at 12:15 pm

      This song has been running through my head all morning. Not sure why.

      Reply
    47. 47.

      tobie

      January 6, 2023 at 12:15 pm

      There was an interesting article in the NYT the other day that manufacturing is moving back not only to the US but to Mexico. One interesting tidbit in the article is that 40% of the component parts for goods made in Mexico are manufactured in the US. That figure was 4% for goods made in China. Maybe NAFTA wasn’t so bad after all.

      Overall, some 40 percent of the value of Mexico’s exports to the United States consists of parts and components made at American plants, according to a seminal research paper. Yet only 4 percent of imports from China are American-made.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:16 pm

      @PaulB: Guessing we’re not the only ones who want to skip the blah-blah-blah of the R nomination speeches?  Plus, if your state is in the second half of the alphabet, that surely means you don’t need to be there for another 30 minutes or an hour.

      Reply
    49. 49.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:17 pm

      @Ken:

      Does the list have a good rhythm? Maybe Lin-Manuel Miranda can put them into a rap, for his new musical “No, Kevin”.

      Hahahahaha.

      Reply
    50. 50.

      Shalimar

      January 6, 2023 at 12:18 pm

      @PaulB: 275 present means there are 58 Republicans off doing live interviews with their local radio stations.

      Reply
    51. 51.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:18 pm

      @trollhattan: When is the next debt ceiling cliff?

      The Treasury Department hasn’t given a precise date yet, I think, but I seem to recall some stories have indicated that Juneish is what they’re looking at.

      Reply
    52. 52.

      feebog

      January 6, 2023 at 12:20 pm

      @PaulB:

      Representative Wesley Hunt (R-TX), a McCarthy vote, will miss the vote(s) today and over the weekend. His wife gave birth prematurely and their newborn son spent time in the neonatal ICU.

      That brings the number down to 432 Representatives.  The Dems were short one, and Ken Buck of Colorado left Thursday for a scheduled medical procedure.  Not sure when Buck will be back.  So the magic number is now 217.

      Reply
    53. 53.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:20 pm

      @PaulB: Is June-is anything like Jew-is?

      Reply
    54. 54.

      trollhattan

      January 6, 2023 at 12:20 pm

      Has anybody seen my snorkel?

      Deadly storms unleashed fierce back-to-back blows to California at the end of 2022 and the start of 2023, and AccuWeather meteorologists warn that a series of storms lining up across the Pacific Ocean will continue to aim for the Golden State with rounds of heavy rain and mountain snow. The dangers of flooding and mudslides will increase with each passing storm.
      The atmosphere has flipped the switch to storm mode as the weather pattern through mid-month has the potential to unleash more than a foot of additional rain in some locations and many more yards of snow over the high country of the Sierra Nevada.
      “Factoring in the storms that began in late December forward through mid-January, rainfall and mountain snow in some areas could rival amounts that do not occur, on average, for 25 or 50 years or more,” AccuWeather Senior Meteorologist Mike Doll said.
      A couple of upcoming rounds, in particular, have drawn the attention of AccuWeather forecasters.
      “After a couple of weak storms [relatively speaking] this weekend, a bigger storm will arrive early next week and then another big storm the following week,” AccuWeather Lead Long-Range Meteorologist Paul Pastelok said.
      https://www.accuweather.com/en/winter-weather/hyperactive-pacific-storm-train-to-keep-slamming-california/1451070

      Sacramento River through downtown will hit monitor stage early next week, making me very happy they finished the latest levee improvements last year.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:20 pm

      CNN is reporting that McCarthy told a GOP conference call that they still do not have a deal.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:20 pm

      @feebog:

      The Dems were short one,

      How and when were the Dems short one?  Unless you are referring to the Rep. who passed away in December?  Or are you thinking we only have 211 today?

      Reply
    57. 57.

      Geminid

      January 6, 2023 at 12:21 pm

      @schrodingers_cat: I don’t think the holdputs are rational. They are trying to grab power within their caucus and Congress, and I guess that’s kind of a rational motivation. But there seems to be a lot of emotion involved, and some it is hatred. That is a powerful motivator that can eclipse self-interest.

      Reply
    58. 58.

      trollhattan

      January 6, 2023 at 12:22 pm

      @PaulB: That’s a relief. I give 2:1 odds we’ll have a Speaker by June!

      Reply
    59. 59.

      JoyceH

      January 6, 2023 at 12:22 pm

      I really do think we could wind up with a Speaker Jeffries if this goes on much longer. As longer as the Dems stay committed to all showing up, and the Republicans who aren’t in the denial caucus start giving up and going home. Twelve Reps absent and 212 wins. Also think it not out of the question that a few of the vanishing breed of GOP moderates could cross the aisle.

      Reply
    60. 60.

      Another Scott

      January 6, 2023 at 12:22 pm

      @trollhattan: It’s supposedly next summer sometime.  But I don’t know if that’s when they hit the limit and start the “extraordinary measures” to drag actual default out another few months (stop paying government pension contributions, etc.), or if that’s the actual default date.

      Nobody knows the actual dates right now, because it depends on the economy, tax receipts, etc.

      The debt limit is set at $31,381,462,788,891.71, or a bit under $31.4 trillion.

      The $0.71 is there just to mess with the numbers geeks, probably.

      HTH a little!

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      James E Powell

      January 6, 2023 at 12:22 pm

      @Leto:

      Hang on, I’ve just calculated the unemployment rate to extra decimal places, and December’s rate of 3.468% is a new 50 YEAR LOW, the lowest rate since 1969.

      For the Fed, this is terrible news.

      Reply
    62. 62.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 6, 2023 at 12:23 pm

      @fancycwabs:

      On what authority is McCarthy saying he’s gonna have votes over the weekend? It’s not like he’s Speaker of the House. 

      And fancycwabs for the win with a mountain of salt for McCarthy’s balls!

      Reply
    63. 63.

      Leto

      January 6, 2023 at 12:23 pm

      @WaterGirl: ​ Here’s an image of the vote count for all 11 votes so far. Nobody from the Dem side has missed one. 212 x 11.

      Reply
    64. 64.

      Alison Rose

      January 6, 2023 at 12:24 pm

      @Ken:

      Someone last night said that they were beginning to learn the names of all the representatives in order, from the repetition.

      There were some where I was like, what is their name?? So I’d brought up the list of Reps in another tab. Foushee was one, Moolenaar, Nehls (sounded like Nails to me), a few others.

      Reply
    65. 65.

      sdhays

      January 6, 2023 at 12:24 pm

      It’s hilarious how the Republican leadership team likes to use these votes to count how many people are willing to support Qevin McCarthy as Speaker because they can’t count to 218 on their own. Apparently Sucker Carlson believes that this is “how the systems is supposed to work”, and yes, there are always negotiations in the majority on how to organize the House, but they had a couple months to figure this out before the previous Congress’ session ended. THAT’S how it’s supposed to work.

      If Our Qevin was worthy of being Speaker, he would have developed a Plan B in mid-December that involved cutting these bastards off at the knees when these assholes were making a big stink. Instead, he made threats against Senate Republicans for voting to pass budget legislation without the new “Republican majority’s” input.

      Reply
    66. 66.

      circular reasoning

      January 6, 2023 at 12:25 pm

      I hope every Dem who speaks today does exactly what Clyburn is and uses it to focus on 1/6/21. Would be great to call out each of the most egregious Republicans who are in the room by name .

      Reply
    67. 67.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:25 pm

      @Leto: I totally agree.  212 212 212 etc.  I have watched them all.

      But feebog was saying we have been down 1, and I am trying to figure out what he is referring to.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      MisterForkbeard

      January 6, 2023 at 12:26 pm

      @Alison Rose: I’ve been doing that since the first vote. It’s fun to read about Republican floundering, but watching performative condescending asses act like condescending asses just isn’t for me.

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Geminid

      January 6, 2023 at 12:26 pm

      @trollhattan: From what I’ve read the debt ceiling issue will become acute towards the middle or end of summer.

      A different deadline is October 1. Congress needs to pass a new spending bill to fund the government by then. Last year they passed continuing resolutions and finally put through the Omnibus bill right before Christmas.

      Reply
    70. 70.

      Alison Rose

      January 6, 2023 at 12:27 pm

      @MisterForkbeard: The voting is one thing, but listening to the GQP nominators was starting to make my brain cry.

      Reply
    71. 71.

      Another Scott

      January 6, 2023 at 12:29 pm

      Jeffries is wearing a black lapel pin that says “January 6” under some smaller word.  It’s good there’s a visual reminder.

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    72. 72.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:29 pm

      Oh my god, I had to agree with Matt Gaetz for one sentence.  I’ll be back, i need to shower.

      You do earn the position with votes.

      Reply
    73. 73.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:30 pm

      The clerk of the house is getting more comfortable in her position.

      Reply
    74. 74.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:30 pm

      Gaetz is nominating Jim Jordan.

      Edited to add that he kept it secret for several minutes as to just who, precisely, he was nominating.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:31 pm

      @Another Scott: I was wondering what that pin was!  thank you

      Reply
    76. 76.

      bbleh

      January 6, 2023 at 12:32 pm

      OMG, this Republican-on-Republican violence is heartbreaking to watch …

      Reply
    77. 77.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:32 pm

      “Daddy has rules and we don’t like them.”

      Reply
    78. 78.

      JPL

      January 6, 2023 at 12:32 pm

      @WaterGirl:  At least one republican is absent.

      btw what did the heckler say?

      Reply
    79. 79.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:32 pm

      PURE????

      As he is nominating Gym Jordan?

      Reply
    80. 80.

      stacib

      January 6, 2023 at 12:33 pm

      @PaulB: Steve Rattner said on MJ yesterday that it will be September.

      Reply
    81. 81.

      tobie

      January 6, 2023 at 12:33 pm

      Any reason why Republicans are leaving the chamber?

      Reply
    82. 82.

      Another Scott

      January 6, 2023 at 12:33 pm

      HaHa.  It looks like GQPers are walking out on Gaetz.

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    83. 83.

      Delk

      January 6, 2023 at 12:33 pm

      Good Evening, tonight on It’s the Mind…

      Reply
    84. 84.

      PJ

      January 6, 2023 at 12:33 pm

      Deleted because already answered

      Reply
    85. 85.

      jeffreyw

      January 6, 2023 at 12:33 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      It’s an open thread. Talk about whatever you want

      A Poem

      Reply
    86. 86.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:33 pm

      @JPL: I know that the TX Republican is missing.  I think feebog was saying the Dems are short one.

      Reply
    87. 87.

      Kayla Rudbek

      January 6, 2023 at 12:34 pm

      @Leto: and trademark filings in 2022 were higher than in 2020 (2021 was a weird year because everyone was trying to monetize side gigs and so there was a massive spike that threw the data off). Trademark filings are another indicator of the economy http://HTTPS://www.USPTO.gov/dashboard/trademarks

      patent filings seem to be close to steady, maybe slightly lower in FY2022 than FY2021 (I would need to drill down into the data more closely)

      Reply
    88. 88.

      tobie

      January 6, 2023 at 12:34 pm

      I love how GOPers are complaining about inflation and yet don’t want to enforce antitrust legislation. F’ em.

      Reply
    89. 89.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:35 pm

      Boebert nominated Kevin Hern again. Donalds is, once again, left out of the nominating process.

      Reply
    90. 90.

      Another Scott

      January 6, 2023 at 12:35 pm

      Interesting.  They’re starting the vote, a lot of GQPers are gone (the just showed Boebert leaving and she’s early in the list).  Is something happening??

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    91. 91.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:36 pm

      @jeffreyw: That is so good.

      Insurrection II: This Time The Call Is Coming From Inside the House (12th Attempt Starts Now)

      Insurrection II: This Time The Call Is Coming From Inside the House (12th Attempt Starts Now) 1

      Reply
    92. 92.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:37 pm

      @Another Scott: They all get a chance to come back in and vote later, so maybe this is a stunt as a threat to McCarthy.

      Reply
    93. 93.

      James E Powell

      January 6, 2023 at 12:38 pm

      A switch!

      Reply
    94. 94.

      BlueGuitarist

      January 6, 2023 at 12:38 pm

      Bishop NC and Brecheen have voted for Kevin for the first time

      Reply
    95. 95.

      The Moar You Know

      January 6, 2023 at 12:38 pm

      Matt Gaetz seems to be high on paint thinner

      Reply
    96. 96.

      Eunicecycle

      January 6, 2023 at 12:39 pm

      @Another Scott: the clerk does circle back at the end to catch anyone who didn’t answer the first time. But I wonder if some stunt is being planned. I don’t have any idea what it might be (waiting to make sure the rest are still voting lockstep?) but I’m not very familiar with parliamentary procedures.

      Reply
    97. 97.

      WereBear

      January 6, 2023 at 12:39 pm

      @JoyceH: They like winners. Power brokering? My stars, I remember that from the history books!

      Reply
    98. 98.

      Nicole

      January 6, 2023 at 12:40 pm

      @jeffreyw:

      @WaterGirl:

      Oh my, I needed that laugh.  Thank you.

      Reply
    99. 99.

      Kelly

      January 6, 2023 at 12:40 pm

      @MattF: song has been running through my head all morning.

      I had “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald” running thru my head all of yesterday. I’m not sure if it was inspired by the wreck of the House Republicans or the storm hitting California.

      Reply
    100. 100.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 12:40 pm

      @jeffreyw:   That is so cute!

      Reply
    101. 101.

      Darkrose

      January 6, 2023 at 12:40 pm

      @trollhattan: Thank Doris! One of the things I love about Matsui is that she’s always focused on the levees and making sure there’s money to shore them up.

      I’m going to take this window to run out and get some staples at the store and then hunker down for next week.

      Reply
    102. 102.

      lowtechcyclist

      January 6, 2023 at 12:41 pm

      I changed the featured image from the circus monkey used for yesterday’s posts to the gallows built on Jan 6, 2021.

      Where is this featured image located? I didn’t see any circus monkeys yesterday, and I’m not seeing a gallows today.  (Using the MS Edge browser on a Win 10 PC.)

      ETA: OK, I did see some circus monkeys on the House floor when I was watching C-SPAN.  But I don’t think that’s what you meant.

      Reply
    103. 103.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:41 pm

      Two defections to McCarthy: Dan Bishop and Josh Brecheen.

      Reply
    104. 104.

      jonas

      January 6, 2023 at 12:41 pm

      @JoyceH: I think they’ll probably start floating non-Congressional candidates before they let it get to that.

      Reply
    105. 105.

      stacib

      January 6, 2023 at 12:42 pm

      Oh oh, McCarthy has picked up three.  He’s on the way.  LOL

      Reply
    106. 106.

      Baud

      January 6, 2023 at 12:42 pm

      @PaulB:

      Kevmemtum!

      Reply
    107. 107.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:42 pm

      Third defection: Mike Cloud.

      And fourth: Andrew Clyde.

      Reply
    108. 108.

      Ruckus

      January 6, 2023 at 12:43 pm

      @comrade scotts agenda of rage:

      It does go both ways.

      This does look a bit like they are working for someone who wants the US to fail as a country.

      And it also looks like a bunch of fucking idiot assholes, the gang that couldn’t think straight.

      Reply
    109. 109.

      James E Powell

      January 6, 2023 at 12:43 pm

      The people on MSNBC right now are kind of cheering for McCarthy.

      Reply
    110. 110.

      R-Jud

      January 6, 2023 at 12:43 pm

      I assume big-money donors were busy on the phone with the 20 insurrectionist dickheads last night. Or had their assistants’ assistants on the phone.

      Reply
    111. 111.

      BlueGuitarist

      January 6, 2023 at 12:44 pm

      Donald’s for Kevin

      Reply
    112. 112.

      Ruviana

      January 6, 2023 at 12:45 pm

      @Another Scott: Don’t know about Boebert but a bunch left because they thought Gaetz was insulting McCarthy.

      Reply
    113. 113.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:45 pm

      At least McCarthy will make it out of the Cs today.

      Reply
    114. 114.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:45 pm

      Fifth defection: Byron Donalds.

      Reply
    115. 115.

      Kent

      January 6, 2023 at 12:45 pm

      Gaming this whole thing out, it occurs to me that there are really only two things that we need the House to do in all of 2023.

       Extend the debt limit sometime in the summer (Thanks Manchin and Sinema)
      Pass some sort of omnibus funding bill to keep the government funded for 2024.  And frankly, the more they dick around the further they will be behind the Senate and the more likely that the Senate will govern whatever omnibus funding bill eventually gets passed.

      Beyond that I don’t know what else even really matters.  The Senate deals with all confirmations, not the House.  Most of the rest of the stuff they have planned is just performative bullshit like endless Hunter Biden “investigations”

      So fuck it, let them stay unorganized and un-operational and an international embarrassment until June.

      I do have to wonder if this temper tantrum by this anarchist wing of the GOP is going to make the rest of the House GOP delegation MORE likely to cater to their bullshit in June and December, or LESS likely to put up with it.  I have to go with less likely but that is just a random guess.  I can’t imagine this entire fiasco is giving them MORE clout with their non-insane (or less-insane) colleagues.

      Reply
    116. 116.

      Another Scott

      January 6, 2023 at 12:46 pm

      Qevin made it through the “C”s without losing yet.  He’s down 3.  He might actually make it this time, but it’s still early.  The showy applause for some of the votes seem to indicate that those people changed their minds…

      The desire to fly home for the weekend continues to be a nearly irresistible force!!

      But it’s not over…

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    117. 117.

      scav

      January 6, 2023 at 12:46 pm

      @lowtechcyclist: Quick little peek of a monkey on those sideways gizmoos to move between posts.  Not that we’d notice if we’re glued to the main post, but maybe as we shift between rounds and rounds and rounds of voting.

      Reply
    118. 118.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 12:46 pm

      @James E Powell:   Glad I switched to CSpan.  Annoyed me that the pundits were talking over the voting.

      Reply
    119. 119.

      tobie

      January 6, 2023 at 12:47 pm

      Awful day. The GOP is not going to raise the debt ceiling unless Medicare and Social Security are slashed. I hope the White House has a plan.

      Reply
    120. 120.

      Another Scott

      January 6, 2023 at 12:47 pm

      @WaterGirl: She voted on time.  I was jumping to conclusions.  Oh well.

      But something is definitely different this time.  They want to catch their flights home for the weekend!!

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    121. 121.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 12:47 pm

      @BlueGuitarist:   And as soon as he voted, he left.  I assume to go be on tv again.

      Reply
    122. 122.

      artem1s

      January 6, 2023 at 12:47 pm

      @M31: ​
       

      So if you lose 11 football games 21-3, but then you lose one by 21-6 you’re totally on a winning streak and momentum is on your side

      I see you are a Cleveland Browns fan.

      Reply
    123. 123.

      Baud

      January 6, 2023 at 12:48 pm

      @Another Scott:

      The desire to fly home for the weekend continues to be a nearly irresistible force

       
      This.

      Reply
    124. 124.

      Baud

      January 6, 2023 at 12:48 pm

      @tobie:

      The plan is stare them down.

      Reply
    125. 125.

      RedDirtGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:49 pm

      Just jumping in without reading the thread, so apologies if it has already been addressed, but why is Donalds no longer a contender on the republican side?

      Reply
    126. 126.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:49 pm

      Bob Good voted for Jordan, so that’s five no votes. We’ll be doing this again.

      Reply
    127. 127.

      realbtl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:49 pm

      Once this clusterfuck finally ends I’m trying to imagine how the R caucus even functions. Gotta be a lot of bad blood.

      Reply
    128. 128.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 12:50 pm

      @tobie:   I assume that Joe either has or is working on a plan.  He knows what the House is up to.

      Reply
    129. 129.

      The Moar You Know

      January 6, 2023 at 12:50 pm

      Quick little peek of a monkey on those sideways gizmoos to move between posts.

      @scav: interesting.  I’ve never seen it.  huh, how bout that?  I see it now!

      Reply
    130. 130.

      Madeleine

      January 6, 2023 at 12:50 pm

      Thank you jeffreyw and WaterGirl for the lovely poem and pic.

      Reply
    131. 131.

      Baud

      January 6, 2023 at 12:51 pm

      @Kent:

      There are post offices to be renamed.

      Reply
    132. 132.

      TaMara

      January 6, 2023 at 12:52 pm

      @Kent: I have to agree with all this. I’ve been thinking for a while that the longer this goes on, the better for Democracy. They’ve proven they are a threat to it (insurrection, anyone?). Let them dangle their incompetence and hate for governing out there for as long as necessary.

      Reply
    133. 133.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:52 pm

      Victoria Spartz has insisted that she’s voting Present because she’s not seeing any “movement.” With (at least) five votes shifting to McCarthy, I wonder if she’ll switch back to McCarthy.

      Reply
    134. 134.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 12:52 pm

      @realbtl:   I can’t believe “establishment” R’s aren’t more pissed that they are being denied seats on important committees for newbie hostage takers.

      Reply
    135. 135.

      trollhattan

      January 6, 2023 at 12:52 pm

      @Darkrose: +1 on Doris–she has one of the most unlikely paths to congress imaginable and has been a steady, supportive hand to use ever since taking the reins of her late husband’s seat.

      I’m prepping go bags “just in case.” The river is already at a level that might be described as mid-window and it will hit house-rooftop next week. This always makes me nervous, even if it’s been a decade. We do own two paddleboards.

      Reply
    136. 136.

      Baud

      January 6, 2023 at 12:53 pm

      @eclare:

      Agreed.  Cucks all.

      Reply
    137. 137.

      lowtechcyclist

      January 6, 2023 at 12:54 pm

      Out of the first 12 of the twenty, we have 6 votes for Hern or Jordan, 5 defections to McCarthy, and Gosar hasn’t voted yet.

      That takes it to another ballot.

      Reply
    138. 138.

      The Moar You Know

      January 6, 2023 at 12:54 pm

      Once this clusterfuck finally ends I’m trying to imagine how the R caucus even functions. Gotta be a lot of bad blood.

      @realbtl:  Under most circumstances I’d be thinking that the Contrary Twenty would be assigned to the Restroom Cleanliness Subcommittee, but I’m not sure McCarthy has the capacity for payback.  He seems weak and cowardly.  We shall see.  If he doesn’t embark on a course of savage payback he’s going to get this done to him on every single vote.

      Yeah, I am assuming he gets Speaker at some point.  There is a decent chance he may not.

      Reply
    139. 139.

      Anoniminous

      January 6, 2023 at 12:54 pm

      @MattF: ​
       
      The song that has been running through my head was recorded by Lily Allen and generally considered the musical F-Bomb of the early 21st Century by those who qualify such things for the rest of us.

      Reply
    140. 140.

      patrick II

      January 6, 2023 at 12:54 pm

      Do you think Putin is enjoying this? Matt Gaetz gives a strong hint in a fundraising email about his chaos-inducing actions. Via Axios.

      Rep. Matt Gaetz’s (R-Fla.) campaign asked potential donors to “support our fight with critical reinforcements” and in one email dubbed McCarthy “Kiev Kevin.”

      He even spelled “Kiev” in the manner preferred by Russia.

      Reply
    141. 141.

      jeffreyw

      January 6, 2023 at 12:55 pm

      @WaterGirl: @Nicole @eclare  et al:  Thanks!

      Poem stolen from Post.News, photo by Mrs J

      Reply
    142. 142.

      opiejeanne

      January 6, 2023 at 12:55 pm

      What a fucking joke. The only good thing about turning this on just in time to “hear” someone voting for Jordan is that we couldn’t hear Kornacki. MSNBC has no sound on my tv, so we’re watching it on CSPAN.

      Reply
    143. 143.

      Immanentize

      January 6, 2023 at 12:55 pm

      @RedDirtGirl:

      why is Donalds no longer a contender on the republican side?

      Because he is black and was just a token troll

      Reply
    144. 144.

      Eunicecycle

      January 6, 2023 at 12:55 pm

      @eclare: that could end up being a big deal. Members wait forever to be on certain committees like Appropriations and Rules. If someone doesn’t get a chance because of Boebert, etc, they will be PISSED!

      Reply
    145. 145.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 12:55 pm

      @trollhattan:   Wait, wut?  Your house might flood?

      Reply
    146. 146.

      Anonymous At Work

      January 6, 2023 at 12:56 pm

      @RedDirtGirl: He never was.  The 20~21 shit-flingers weren’t voting *for* anybody, each and every time.  They were voting *against* Kev-kev.  They just needed a name to vote for.

      Reply
    147. 147.

      lowtechcyclist

      January 6, 2023 at 12:56 pm

      @scav: Thanks!

      Reply
    148. 148.

      MattF

      January 6, 2023 at 12:57 pm

      So… what do the remaining NKs want? Kev has conceded on every point.

      Reply
    149. 149.

      opiejeanne

      January 6, 2023 at 12:57 pm

      @Immanentize: Does Donalds have a criminal conviction of some sort? Or is it Hern?

      Reply
    150. 150.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:57 pm

      @James E Powell: I was on the treadmill for a few minutes, so not watching.  Who switched, and from what to what?

      Never mind.

      Reply
    151. 151.

      lowtechcyclist

      January 6, 2023 at 12:57 pm

      @The Moar You Know:

      interesting.  I’ve never seen it.  huh, how bout that?  I see it now!

      But do you see the fnords?

      Reply
    152. 152.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 12:58 pm

      Anna Paulina Luna has switched to McCarthy, the sixth to do so, joining Dan Bishop, Josh Brecheen, Mike Cloud, Andrew Clyde, and Byron Donalds.

      Reply
    153. 153.

      Chris Johnson

      January 6, 2023 at 12:59 pm

      I really am convinced that this is enemy action from inside the house, not a bunch of clowns who are trying to make a point by humiliating McCarthy.

      Oh, absolutely. The thing that makes it confusing, I think, is that ALL of them are enemy action, but some of them want wealth and power within THIS country. And they all hate America, depending on where you draw the line and call it ‘blue’ America, but some of them want to be IN America and want comfortable privileged lives within America.

      Some of these folks act like suicide bombers, politically if not literally. They did arrange for no metal detectors, but the trick there is the non-MAGA republicans would be just as eager to come in packing, and they hate the MAGAs as bad as the MAGA hate them, and very likely know what the real situation is.

      So it’s a question of how many MAGAs who are actually waging a desperate war on America on behalf of Putin to stop aid to Ukraine and to disable American government (even though they are supposedly preparing to BE it) are ride-or-die for their true cause. Some of them like Gaetz could well be subject to blackmail (so many Republicans fit that description…) and some of them just plain see America as a sea of libs and are completely happy being terrorists.

      For a bunch of Republicans, it crosses a line to be sacrificial warriors for Putin. They want Dems to lose, but THEY do not want to lose, they want to have great power.

      Putin does not want them to have power, he just wants America to be broken, and if you make an omelette… and so, we see an awful lot of wealthy Republicans not wanting to go full MAGA anymore. Putin and Russia need them to destroy themselves for the cause. They don’t want that.

      Reply
    154. 154.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 12:59 pm

      @lowtechcyclist: The featured image is what you see on the fly-outs and in a social media post to the thread.

      Reply
    155. 155.

      Anonymous At Work

      January 6, 2023 at 12:59 pm

      @patrick II: Eh.  Give a little credit.  Kyev was spelled “Kiev” until Ukraine gained independence AND started to assert themselves in such ways.  I have trouble trying to correct my spelling of Ukrainian-area names and I am support Ukraine.
      Gaetz either is doing it for Mother Russia [and her rubles] or is a disinterested troll.  My money here is on the latter.

      Reply
    156. 156.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 1:00 pm

      @opiejeanne:   Donalds has two, one to distribute pot (not just possession) and one for bank fraud.  Only the best people!

      Reply
    157. 157.

      Kelly

      January 6, 2023 at 1:01 pm

      Damar Hamlin’s tube has been removed and he’s breathing on his own per the NYT

      Reply
    158. 158.

      Immanentize

      January 6, 2023 at 1:01 pm

      @opiejeanne: I don’t know. Hern has some shady stock corruption, and he is trying to ban RU-482. Donalds does have the ghetto to success story he is happy to tout, but I don’t know of any conviction?

      Thanks eclare — both are equally representative of the modern GOP it seems.

      Reply
    159. 159.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:01 pm

      Defection #7: Mary Miller.

      Defection #8: Ralph Norman.

      Reply
    160. 160.

      kalakal

      January 6, 2023 at 1:01 pm

      @opiejeanne: Donalds. There was a weed charge dropped in the 90s and

      in 2000, he pleaded guilty to a felony bribery charge as part of a scheme to defraud a bank

      Reply
    161. 161.

      James E Powell

      January 6, 2023 at 1:02 pm

      What is “the deal that was cut overnight”?

      Guy on MSNBC says even if McCarthy loses, if it’s closer, it’s a win.

      Reply
    162. 162.

      Ken

      January 6, 2023 at 1:03 pm

      @Another Scott: The $0.71 is there just to mess with the numbers geeks, probably.

      Checksum.  Or they’re encoding a message, very slowly, using the pennies.  71 mod 26 is 19, so that’s a T (assuming A=0, B=1, etc.).

      Reply
    163. 163.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 1:03 pm

      @Kelly:   Great news!

      Reply
    164. 164.

      FelonyGovt

      January 6, 2023 at 1:04 pm

      Are there enough defections to put Qevin over the top this time? I’ve lost count.

      Reply
    165. 165.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 1:04 pm

      @jeffreyw: Was that your kitty offering you that lovely gift?

      Reply
    166. 166.

      Immanentize

      January 6, 2023 at 1:04 pm

      @lowtechcyclist: I just got my son to read Illuminatus! Parenting level up achieved.

      Reply
    167. 167.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:05 pm

      Defection #9: Scott Perry.

      Reply
    168. 168.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 1:05 pm

      @Immanentize:

      Because he is black and was just a token troll

      “How dare you say that!”  (republican denying the truth)

      Reply
    169. 169.

      FelonyGovt

      January 6, 2023 at 1:05 pm

      @WaterGirl: Our cat brought my daughter a dead mouse on her birthday.

      Reply
    170. 170.

      Ken

      January 6, 2023 at 1:05 pm

      @James E Powell: What is “the deal that was cut overnight”?

      I don’t know the details, but I’ll bet these people who switched their votes are going to be pissed when they find he’s promised each of them the same committee chairmanship. Not to mention whichever of his “loyalists” had seniority and expected the chair.

      Reply
    171. 171.

      Baud

      January 6, 2023 at 1:05 pm

      @James E Powell:

      It’s good news for John McCain Kevin McCarthy!

      Reply
    172. 172.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:05 pm

      @FelonyGovt: Are there enough defections to put Qevin over the top this time?

      No. There are six not-Kevin votes.

      Reply
    173. 173.

      Anoniminous

      January 6, 2023 at 1:06 pm

      @FelonyGovt: ​
       
      Currently 6 Not McCarthy votes so looks like we’re going to round 13

      Reply
    174. 174.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 1:06 pm

      I’m sure if McCarthy gets more votes than Jeffries, that can be considered a moral victory.

      Reply
    175. 175.

      opiejeanne

      January 6, 2023 at 1:06 pm

      Nothing to see. Misunderstood your post. Duh.

      Reply
    176. 176.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 1:07 pm

      @Ken:   Yep.  The infighting will not end when a speaker is elected.

      Reply
    177. 177.

      Immanentize

      January 6, 2023 at 1:07 pm

      @WaterGirl: I know, I know … I am the racist.

      Reply
    178. 178.

      Captain C

      January 6, 2023 at 1:07 pm

      @realbtl:

      I’m trying to imagine how the R caucus even functions.

      I think a nontrivial number of their members either don’t care if it functions or actively want it not to.

      Reply
    179. 179.

      Eolirin

      January 6, 2023 at 1:08 pm

      @Anonymous At Work: Pretty sure it’s Kyiv, to your point.

      Reply
    180. 180.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:08 pm

      10th defection: Chip Roy.

      We’re getting into the neighborhood where McCarthy might actually get more votes than Jeffries for the first time.

      Reply
    181. 181.

      Baud

      January 6, 2023 at 1:08 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      More like an immoral victory.

      Reply
    182. 182.

      trollhattan

      January 6, 2023 at 1:08 pm

      @eclare: No, not as long as the levees hold. Best as I can figure is the house elevation is about 20 ft msl and the river, a mile away, is currently at 23′, predicted to crest at 31′ next week.

      I just get jittery when this happens, which as been a long time, because drought. Sacramento is considered the nation’s second-most flood-prone city, behind New Orleans. (One reason I was “Houston, why?” after Hurricane Harvey.)

      There’s also a second river, the American, about five miles away to keep an eye on.

      Reply
    183. 183.

      Leto

      January 6, 2023 at 1:08 pm

      Lol at the dude who yelled out, “Kevin (really long pause) Hern!” The saltiness after that, haha!

      Reply
    184. 184.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 1:08 pm

      @Kelly: That’s great news!

      Reply
    185. 185.

      Central Planning

      January 6, 2023 at 1:09 pm

      @mrmoshpotato:

      And what the flying fuck is the twelfth time?!

      That’s the silk and fine linen vote.

      Reply
    186. 186.

      Amir Khalid

      January 6, 2023 at 1:09 pm

      @Anonymous At Work:

      On the other hand, it’s hard to go wrong assuming the worst about Matt Gaetz.

      Reply
    187. 187.

      Immanentize

      January 6, 2023 at 1:09 pm

      To my earlier point:

      White Congressman literally pats Donalds on the head after he votes for Kevin McCarthy.— Ragnarok Lobster (@eclecticbrotha) January 6, 2023

      Reply
    188. 188.

      opiejeanne

      January 6, 2023 at 1:10 pm

      @kalakal: Thanks to you and the others who answered.

      Only the best people.

      Reply
    189. 189.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:10 pm

      11th defection: Keith Self.

      That’s all of them except for the two that missed their vote call on the first round (Gosar and Ogles).

      Reply
    190. 190.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 1:10 pm

      @FelonyGovt: Reason #151 not to have an outdoor cat. :-)

      Reply
    191. 191.

      Captain C

      January 6, 2023 at 1:10 pm

      @PaulB: Republicans:  We can’t let that [person] beat McCarthy a 13th time!  That would be humiliating.  Unlike the first 12 times.

      Reply
    192. 192.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:11 pm

      And Spartz is no longer voting Present but is voting for McCarthy.

      So McCarthy has picked up 12 votes, with two of the holdout caucus yet to be heard from. It’s going to be a real test of the never Keviners to see if they really do mean it.

      Reply
    193. 193.

      cain

      January 6, 2023 at 1:11 pm

      @James E Powell: Great news for John McCain

      Reply
    194. 194.

      Immanentize

      January 6, 2023 at 1:12 pm

      @PaulB: So that means McCarthy ties Jeffries? Or is still one shy? No TV here….

      Reply
    195. 195.

      Chief Oshkosh

      January 6, 2023 at 1:12 pm

      @comrade scotts agenda of rage: Haven’t read all the comments, but I agree. From one narrow perspective, the government is more-or-less funded to October, so we can bumble along. Not having a House for 9 months is much better than having a Republican House for 9 months. And who knows? Five or six Republicans might get hit by trucks by then, or switch parties, or be imprisoned in Brazil, or step on a rake, or…

      Reply
    196. 196.

      Matt McIrvin

      January 6, 2023 at 1:13 pm

      @schrodingers_cat: I now think they are trying to shut Congress down for long enough, or break it in such a way, that the US defaults on its debt, causing a global economic catastrophe that they think will cause a revolution that they win. Some may think this will cause the 2020 election to be reversed and Trump reinstalled in the White House.

      There’s a lot of magical thinking involved, but they are into magical thinking in general. I doubt it’s rational chessmaster strategy.

      Reply
    197. 197.

      Geminid

      January 6, 2023 at 1:13 pm

      @tobie: Biden and other party leaders have a plan. But the resolution of those issues is not riding on this Speaker fight. McCarthy himself intends to leverage the debt problem to force cuts in those programs, even though he has only a 9 seat majority.

      One important variable will be the House Rules that have yet to be voted on. Will there be a mechanism that allows a measure to be brought to the floor by means of a “petition of discharge”? That could be a means for passing a raise in the debt ceiling. About 20 Republicans defected in the last Congress to vote for the Infrastructure and CHIPS bills. The dynamic over the debt ceiling would be similar to that for tose two bills, but more intense. The difference now is that the majority control’s the process.

      The rule governing a challenge to the Speaker will also be important. One possible way out of a debt ceiling crunch would be for a group of Republican defectors to mount a successful Speaker challenge and help Democrats reorganize the House under a new Speaker who would allow a vote on a debt ceiling bill.

      For now, potential defectors like Don Bacon (NE) seem intent on fighting the intra-party fight by backing McCarthy. He and others might have a different calculus by August, and the acrimony this fight is creating may be even worse by then.

      Reply
    198. 198.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:14 pm

      @Immanentize: I’m not clear as to whether everyone is really here today. I know that McCarthy has two supporters that are not in the chamber, so it’s a tossup as to whether he or Jeffries will be the top vote-getter.

      If all 434 of them were in the chamber, I think McCarthy would have a couple more votes than Jeffries.

      Reply
    199. 199.

      Eolirin

      January 6, 2023 at 1:14 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh: Debt ceiling needs to lifted in June/July

      Reply
    200. 200.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 1:15 pm

      @Immanentize: Ha!  Only if you believe the lyin’ Rs!

      Reply
    201. 201.

      Starfish

      January 6, 2023 at 1:15 pm

      @PaulB: Republicans don’t work on Fridays.

      Reply
    202. 202.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 1:16 pm

      @trollhattan: Yikes, worrisome for sure.

      Reply
    203. 203.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 1:17 pm

      @Immanentize: Oh my god, really?  I will click your link now, but geez, that’s awful.  Though I am laughing at the absurdity of their self awareness, so there’s that.

      Reply
    204. 204.

      Anonymous At Work

      January 6, 2023 at 1:17 pm

      @Eolirin: Ugh, what I meant.  Breaking habits on spelling is hard, like if Webster’s decided to use “theyre” to combine all the possible misuses into one word.

      Reply
    205. 205.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:18 pm

      According to CNN reporter Manu Raju, Ralph Norman, one of the defectors to McCarthy, told him [Raju] an hour earlier that he would be voting for Byron Donalds, so some late-breaking developments.

      Reply
    206. 206.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:18 pm

      Defector #13: Paul Gosar.

      Defector #14: Andy Ogles.

      Reply
    207. 207.

      Ken

      January 6, 2023 at 1:18 pm

      @The Moar You Know: the Contrary Twenty would be assigned to the Restroom Cleanliness Subcommittee

      “He had been appointed to a sub-committee of a sub-committee which had sprouted from one of the innumerable committees dealing with minor difficulties that arose in the compilation of the Eleventh Edition of the Newspeak dictionary. They were engaged in producing something called an Interim Report, but what it was that they were reporting on he had never definitely found out.” — 1984, George Orwell

      Reply
    208. 208.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 1:18 pm

      C-SPAN says Jeffreis only has 205.  What’s up with that?  Okay, it’s at 211 now.  I feel better.

      Who are we missing on the Dem side?

      McCarthy got 213, though. bummer.

      Reply
    209. 209.

      HumboldtBlue

      January 6, 2023 at 1:19 pm

      @Anonymous At Work:

      This. I’ve been reading about the Eastern Front for 40 years and those spellings for Ukrainian cities, towns and provinces are pretty much burned into the memory at this point.

      Reply
    210. 210.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 1:20 pm

      @trollhattan:   Sacramento?  Second most flood prone?  Never would have guessed.  Fingers crossed the levees hold.

      Reply
    211. 211.

      artem1s

      January 6, 2023 at 1:20 pm

      how much you want to bet the defectors are only enough to keep Jeffries from having a higher tally than McQarthy?

      Reply
    212. 212.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:20 pm

      Of the original 20 holdouts (plus Present-voting Spartz), there are just 7 left.

      • Andy Biggs
      • Lauren Boebert
      • Eli Crane
      • Matt Gaetz
      • Bob Good
      • Andy Harris
      • Matt Rosendale
      Reply
    213. 213.

      opiejeanne

      January 6, 2023 at 1:20 pm

      @trollhattan: I visited the Capitol building in Sacramento years ago with a field trip my youngest was on, and they said that when the building was first going to be used, the newly elected governor had to be taken to it in a rowboat because of flooding.

      Reply
    214. 214.

      Frankensteinbeck

      January 6, 2023 at 1:20 pm

      @Matt McIrvin: ​

      I now think they are trying to shut Congress down for long enough

      I think you are giving them way, way too much credit. They’re monkeys flinging shit. The closest to strategy involved is that screaming about RINOs may help them get reelected. These people are not bright, and they’ve proven it again and again. As the saying coined about the Trump administration goes, “These people aren’t evil geniuses. They’re not Lex Luthor. They’re shitlords.”

      @Geminid: ​

      McCarthy himself intends to leverage the debt problem to force cuts in those programs.

      As did Boehner, as did McConnell, as did Ryan. McCarthy is a worse negotiator with less control over his caucus than any of those, and has a worse hand.

      Reply
    215. 215.

      OB-118

      January 6, 2023 at 1:21 pm

      @Ken: Tea time :-)

      Reply
    216. 216.

      Immanentize

      January 6, 2023 at 1:21 pm

      Reply
    217. 217.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:21 pm

      Jeffries has 211 votes, so there is a Democratic Representative who is missing or did not vote.

      Reply
    218. 218.

      Ken

      January 6, 2023 at 1:22 pm

      @PaulB: If all 434 of them were in the chamber, I think McCarthy would have a couple more votes than Jeffries.

      Time to change the rules to allow the Speaker to be elected by plurality.  Then McCarthy’s in, and they’ll have a quick vote to adopt the rules (because all the Republicans are definitely on the same page there), and Congress can start business Monday.

      Reply
    219. 219.

      artem1s

      January 6, 2023 at 1:22 pm

      Only 2 votes short this time due to absences. But hand grenades and thermonuclear warheads rule still applies.

      Reply
    220. 220.

      BritinChicago

      January 6, 2023 at 1:23 pm

      @PaulB: Or just, you know, lies?

      Reply
    221. 221.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:23 pm

      With 432 members voting today, McCarthy needs 3 additional votes to push him over the top. He has 214; he needs 217. That would make the final tally 217 to 215 should that shift happen.

      Edited to add that the C-Span tally doesn’t match with CNN’s tally. C-Span has McCarthy at 214; CNN has him with 213. Either way, he would need 3 additional votes.

      Reply
    222. 222.

      Immanentize

      January 6, 2023 at 1:23 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      Me: Byron Donalds, blink twice if you’re okay.

      Donalds: …

      Me: Byron? BYRON!

      Harriet: Let me tell you something, my brother. You can’t free everybody.— Elie Mystal (@ElieNYC) January 6, 2023

      Reply
    223. 223.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 1:25 pm

      @PaulB:   Yeah, who didn’t vote for Jeffries?

      Reply
    224. 224.

      Baud

      January 6, 2023 at 1:26 pm

      Mark my words, when Kevin has the votes, the media will pump him up for staring down the radicals as if he wasn’t a weak leader.

      Reply
    225. 225.

      Immanentize

      January 6, 2023 at 1:27 pm

      @artem1s: I agree this could have been the reason — as whichever hold out said, “in good faith — McCarthy.” A proof that they are willing to work toward a goal, but not allow it?

      Reply
    226. 226.

      H.E.Wolf

      January 6, 2023 at 1:27 pm

      @eclare:”Yeah, who didn’t vote for Jeffries?”​

      David Trone of MD (D) is apparently absent.​

      ETA: 67-year-old white millionaire.

      Reply
    227. 227.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:27 pm

      @eclare: Yeah, who didn’t vote for Jeffries?

      I don’t know, as I can’t find anyone commenting on that. I’m guessing that there is a Democratic member who had to miss today’s proceedings.

      Edited to add that H.E. Wolf immediately above this note provided the info. Thank you!

      Reply
    228. 228.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 1:27 pm

      @eclare: That’s what I want to know, too.

      Reply
    229. 229.

      jeffreyw

      January 6, 2023 at 1:28 pm

      @WaterGirl: That was Ollie offering it to Mrs J

      Reply
    230. 230.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 1:28 pm

      @H.E.Wolf:   Thanks!

      Reply
    231. 231.

      Amir Khalid

      January 6, 2023 at 1:28 pm

      @eclare:

      I think there’s one Democrat absent for medical reasons.

      Reply
    232. 232.

      West of the Rockies

      January 6, 2023 at 1:29 pm

      On the twelve votes of McCarthy my true love gave to me one Boebert braying, two Jordans jerking, three Gaetzs grifting, four Trumpies twerking, five Kevin flips…

      Reply
    233. 233.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 1:30 pm

      @jeffreyw: The pic and the poem really brightened my day.  Thanks for sharing it.

      Reply
    234. 234.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 1:30 pm

      So Trone and Buck are absent, that gets us to 432.

      That means Hunt (TX) stayed even though he has a preemie baby?

      Reply
    235. 235.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 1:31 pm

      @H.E.Wolf: Interesting.

      Reply
    236. 236.

      H.E.Wolf

      January 6, 2023 at 1:31 pm

      @PaulB: ​

      @eclare: ​
       I’m hunched over my .pdf of the 118th Representatives-elect. :)

      If I were there in person, I’d be sorely tempted to revive the outdated custom of hissing (certain insurrectionist Republicans, I’m looking at you).

      Reply
    237. 237.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:31 pm

      @eclare:  So Trone and Buck are absent, that gets us to 232.

      There is another Republican Congresscritter missing, Representative Wesley Hunt, visiting his wife and new-born son (born prematurely).

      So McCarthy, today, needs 216 votes out of 431 total.

      Reply
    238. 238.

      Gin & Tonic

      January 6, 2023 at 1:32 pm

      @Anonymous At Work

      1. It’s Kyiv, not Kyev.

      2. It was never *spelled* Kiev, it was incorrectly Romanized as Kiev. The correct spelling has always been Київ.

      3. I bet it didn’t take you decades to switch from Peking to Beijing.

      Reply
    239. 239.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 1:34 pm

      @PaulB:   I think he stayed.  We were at 434 before because the D in VA died.

      Reply
    240. 240.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 1:35 pm

      @PaulB:   My bad, 432!

      Reply
    241. 241.

      Immanentize

      January 6, 2023 at 1:35 pm

      @Gin & Tonic: I still prepare and serve Peking Duck. Is that wrong of me?

      Reply
    242. 242.

      H.E.Wolf

      January 6, 2023 at 1:35 pm

      @PaulB: There is another Republican Congresscritter missing, visiting his wife and new-born son (born prematurely).

       Wesley Hunt, TX. African-American, early 40s, former Army officer. His gerrymandered-R district is in Houston.

      Reply
    243. 243.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:36 pm

      @eclare: I think he stayed.  We were at 434 before because the D in VA died.

      I dunno for sure, but if the CNN tally is correct, only 431 people voted.

      Reply
    244. 244.

      Geminid

      January 6, 2023 at 1:37 pm

      @Frankensteinbeck: Yeah, I don’t think McCarthy can succeed either. I just pointed out that this Speaker fight was not going to determine the debt question.

      FewIt may actually make raising the debt ceiling easier because of the rancor that is being generated inside the caucus and among Republicans nationally. This fight also tends to support a belief among the general public that Republicans Representatives are a bunch of cranky radicals incapable of governing. That won’t help when they try to play chicken with the nation’s credit.

      Reply
    245. 245.

      Kelly

      January 6, 2023 at 1:38 pm

      @Immanentize: I was years behind realizing Mumbai was Bombay.

      Reply
    246. 246.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 1:38 pm

      @H.E.Wolf:   I just checked CNN.  CSpan had the wrong vote count.  Hunt is at home, total is 431.

      Reply
    247. 247.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 1:39 pm

      @PaulB:   CSpan had the wrong vote count, I just noticed.

      Reply
    248. 248.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:40 pm

      Scott Perry, one of the holdouts who switched to McCarthy today, said on Twitter:

      We’re at a turning point. I’ve negotiated in good faith, with one purpose: to restore the People’s House back to its rightful owners. The framework for an agreement is in place, so in a good-faith effort, I voted to restore the People’s House by voting for @gopleader McCarthy.

      Talk about a meaningless word salad: “back to its rightful owners?” “Restore the People’s House?” Sheesh….

      Reply
    249. 249.

      Immanentize

      January 6, 2023 at 1:41 pm

      @Kelly: in reality, I can’t get over the Constantinople/Istanbul thingy. I mean — I had to do that right after I finally used “Old New York” which was once New Amsterdam.

      Reply
    250. 250.

      Frankensteinbeck

      January 6, 2023 at 1:43 pm

      @Immanentize:

      Why they changed it, I can’t say.  People just liked it better that way?

      Reply
    251. 251.

      Amir Khalid

      January 6, 2023 at 1:45 pm

      @Immanentize:

      Did you mean to say Byzantium?

      Reply
    252. 252.

      The Moar You Know

      January 6, 2023 at 1:46 pm

      Fingers crossed the levees hold.

      @eclare: for many reasons.  Those levees keep saltwater out of the water sent to SoCal every day.  If they fail, it’s not a local disaster, it’s a national one.

      Reply
    253. 253.

      OldDave

      January 6, 2023 at 1:47 pm

      @Immanentize: “Constantinople is a mighty long word.  Got three more letters than mockingbird.” – John Prine  (YouTube Video).

      Reply
    254. 254.

      Frankensteinbeck

      January 6, 2023 at 1:47 pm

      @Amir Khalid: ​
      I dunno. Been a long time gone, Constantinople.

      Reply
    255. 255.

      H.E.Wolf

      January 6, 2023 at 1:48 pm

      @eclare: ​
       Thank you for the updated total of 431!

      I’m extra happy whenever the camera focues on one of our Balloon Juice-supported Democrats is on camera while calling out their vote. (They showed Emilia Sykes today! Maybe someone from C-SPAN reads the blog.)

      Reply
    256. 256.

      Central Planning

      January 6, 2023 at 1:48 pm

      @Frankensteinbeck:

      Why did Constantinople get the works?

      Reply
    257. 257.

      Paul in KY

      January 6, 2023 at 1:49 pm

      @James E Powell: Go Dark Brandon, smiter of GQP choads!

      Reply
    258. 258.

      Anonymous At Work

      January 6, 2023 at 1:49 pm

      @Gin & Tonic: I learned Beijing.  I ain’t that old.

      Reply
    259. 259.

      Gin & Tonic

      January 6, 2023 at 1:49 pm

      @Immanentize: I think “Peking Duck” as a culinary descriptor is OK, as is “Chicken Kiev” (which, incidentally, doesn’t really have anything to do with the capital of Ukraine.)

      If you want to be sure of absolution, though, bring in enough for the whole class to share.

      Reply
    260. 260.

      The Moar You Know

      January 6, 2023 at 1:51 pm

      Talk about a meaningless word salad: “back to its rightful owners?” “Restore the People’s House?”

      @PaulB: the meaning is stark and plain!  Can you not see it?

      The “rightful owners” are the GOP and only the GOP.  Dems are by definition illegitimate.

      Reply
    261. 261.

      Gvg

      January 6, 2023 at 1:54 pm

      @PaulB: comment 52  Ken Buck of Colorado left Thursday for a scheduled medical procedure

      Reply
    262. 262.

      EarthWindFire

      January 6, 2023 at 1:55 pm

      @sdhays: Apparently Sucker Carlson believes that this is “how the systems is supposed to work”

      So our system only works as it’s supposed to once a century? Well, I’m convinced. Let’s tear it down! //s

      Reply
    263. 263.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:55 pm

      Apparently, the missing Democratic member has returned to the chamber, so the total is now 432 votes and McCarthy would now need an additional vote to put him over the top.

      Reply
    264. 264.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 1:55 pm

      @H.E.Wolf:   CSpan reporting Trone is back.  For subsequent votes, number KKKevin needs is up to 217.

      My bad, PaulB got there first!

      Reply
    265. 265.

      Paul in KY

      January 6, 2023 at 1:57 pm

      @FelonyGovt: Mice must be pretty tasty. I’ve never had one myself.

      Reply
    266. 266.

      James E Powell

      January 6, 2023 at 1:57 pm

      The political media are preparing their fawning stories about how McCarthy has true grit.

      Reply
    267. 267.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 1:57 pm

      And here we go again.

      Reply
    268. 268.

      Geminid

      January 6, 2023 at 1:57 pm

      @PaulB: I’m waiting for these cranks to start bringing up Lexington and Concord. Or the Alamo.

      Reply
    269. 269.

      bjacques

      January 6, 2023 at 2:00 pm

      “Fentanile”! DRINK!
      ”Fentanile” again! DRINK! (Again!)

      Reply
    270. 270.

      H.E.Wolf

      January 6, 2023 at 2:00 pm

      @eclare: Thanks to you, and to PaulB (and to Rep Trone for showing up).

      Now we wait to find out what the Seven Seditious Smurfs will do, in vote #13.

      Reply
    271. 271.

      Paul in KY

      January 6, 2023 at 2:02 pm

      @Immanentize: You sure hold a grudge.  It’s been Istanbul since 1600 or so :-)

      Reply
    272. 272.

      James E Powell

      January 6, 2023 at 2:04 pm

      I had to shut if off. I can’t listen to Republicans. I will watch President Joe on youtube.

      I’m struck by how they are raging about issues that they think still matter, like the Afghanistan 13 or COVID shutdowns or whatever from two years ago. Even inflation is fading.

      I’m also struck by how they are saying they want to get to work on things that will never even get a vote in the senate.

      Reply
    273. 273.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 2:04 pm

      There is a post up for President Biden’s ceremony to honor 12 or so people for their actions on Jan 6 or their actions in holding for democracy in the face of pressure from those who would not honor the votes of the American people.

      It’s 2 posts up from this one

      edit: I can come back to this tread and let you know when that one is starting.

      Reply
    274. 274.

      Amir Khalid

      January 6, 2023 at 2:05 pm

      Kevin may be happy that he’s gained votes toward winnng the gavel, but won’t becoming Speaker only mark the beginning of his torment at the hands of the hostage-taking caucus?

      Reply
    275. 275.

      lowtechcyclist

      January 6, 2023 at 2:06 pm

      I don’t know who the bozo is who’s making a nominating speech right now, but the clip I caught was, [click] “the American people deserve answers: on Covid-19” which was clearly the beginning of a list, but I didn’t stick around for the rest of it.

      You’ve GOT answers, asshole.  You just choose not to like the real answers, and want different ones.  “Answers” that somehow implicate people you have it in for, those are the answers you’re looking for.

      I’m sure you’ll find them.  They’ll be made-up bullshit, but you’ll call them the answers, and you’ll enjoy being outraged.

      Reply
    276. 276.

      James E Powell

      January 6, 2023 at 2:07 pm

      @Paul in KY:

      Istanbul developed in Turkish 16c. as a corruption of Greek phrase eis tan (ten) polin “in (or to) the city,” which is how the local Greek population referred to it. Sort of like San Francisco.

      Reply
    277. 277.

      kalakal

      January 6, 2023 at 2:10 pm

       

      @Kelly:  I still have to catch myself on the Lebanon

      Then again I used to travel on Watling Street between Eboracum and Londinium

      Reply
    278. 278.

      Geminid

      January 6, 2023 at 2:10 pm

      @Amir Khalid: There might be an uneasy truce for a while. There will be new fights over committee and chairmain assignments, and then legislation.

      First of all the majority needs to push though a set of House rules. That might be contentious. I’ll be looking to see if there are defections from the other side of the caucus.

      Reply
    279. 279.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 2:11 pm

      Oh, that’s interesting. There were only two nominations: McCarthy and Jeffries. The holdouts didn’t nominate anyone.

      Reply
    280. 280.

      Alison Rose

      January 6, 2023 at 2:12 pm

      Okay, I got too curious and just tuned in. Looks like no spoiler noms from the GOP this time? Maybe that means it’ll finally happen…lucky 13 for Kevin??

      Reply
    281. 281.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 2:13 pm

      Via Twitter, Representative David Trone, Democratic Representative who missed the first vote:

      7AM: Surgery

      2PM: Back at the Capitol, still wearing my slippers and hospital socks

      Time to vote for Hakeem Jeffries!

      Reply
    282. 282.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 2:13 pm

      Biggs continues to hold out, voting for Jordan.

      Ditto Boebert.

      Reply
    283. 283.

      Steve in the ATL

      January 6, 2023 at 2:14 pm

      @Central Planning: that’s nobody’s business but the Turks!

       

      how has that not been posted yet?!

      Reply
    284. 284.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 2:14 pm

      @PaulB:   Awesome!

      Reply
    285. 285.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 2:16 pm

      @Geminid: I believe the Rs believe that the rules package has already been worked out over the past couple of months.

      And it’s my understanding that a lot of what McCarthy has been promising is also in the territory of rules.

      So I think they think the rules are a done deal, except for the part where they make them official.

      Is that actually the case?  Who knows?  All these people do is lie.

      Reply
    286. 286.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 2:17 pm

      Glad to see my rep, Cohen, wearing a mask!

      Reply
    287. 287.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 2:18 pm

      A third holdout, Eli Crane, votes for Jordan.

      Assuming that Gaetz votes for not-Kevin, McCarthy will once again come up short.

      Reply
    288. 288.

      Jim, Foolish Literalist

      January 6, 2023 at 2:22 pm

      I was in the car just now and flipped through MSNBC. Who was the goober using his (I’m assuming) nominating speech to promise to investigate Joe Biden and Ukraine?

      Reply
    289. 289.

      Geminid

      January 6, 2023 at 2:22 pm

      @WaterGirl: I don’t know. But a group might want to hold out for a vote or two as a flex, to show the anti-McCarthy group that two can play that game. Or there may be a substantive issue that they’ll dig their heels in over.

      Reply
    290. 290.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 2:22 pm

      @PaulB:   Yep.  Rosendale seems pretty adamant too.

      And there we go, on to the fourteenth round.

      Reply
    291. 291.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 2:22 pm

      McCarthy might end up getting there eventually, but this report from CNN about his strategy is pretty sad.

      McCarthy’s allies plan to turn up the heat on the remaining holdouts and pick them off one-by-one to get the speaker votes — but it won’t involve horse trading or more negotiations.

      The emerging strategy, according to sources involved, includes leaning on former President Donald Trump to help squeeze the holdouts. Their camps have been in touch and believe Trump is willing to make some more calls.

      Reply
    292. 292.

      OverTwistWillie

      January 6, 2023 at 2:22 pm

      I’m a driver, I’m a winner, things are gonna change, I can feel it….

      Reply
    293. 293.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 2:23 pm

      Gaetz votes for Jordan. McCarthy comes up short again.

      Reply
    294. 294.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 2:23 pm

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist:   James Comer of KY.

      Reply
    295. 295.

      Soprano2

      January 6, 2023 at 2:24 pm

      @WaterGirl: OH, they can bring you mice when they’re inside the house, too. Ask me how I know that.

      Reply
    296. 296.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 2:24 pm

      A fifth holdout, Bob Good, votes for Jordan.

      Reply
    297. 297.

      Jim, Foolish Literalist

      January 6, 2023 at 2:24 pm

      @eclare: good lord, incoming chair of oversight?

      Reply
    298. 298.

      Alison Rose

      January 6, 2023 at 2:24 pm

      LOL Good flipped back??

      Reply
    299. 299.

      Kristine

      January 6, 2023 at 2:25 pm

      @WaterGirl: I enjoyed that. And I don’t even have cats.

      Reply
    300. 300.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 2:25 pm

      No, Good has consistently voted for not-Kevin.

      Reply
    301. 301.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 2:26 pm

      One more holdout has flipped to McCarthy: Andy Harris.

      So McCarthy picks up one more vote, with one holdout vote yet to be tallied (Matt Rosendale). It won’t be enough to put McCarthy over the top, though, regardless of how Rosendale votes.

      Reply
    302. 302.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 2:26 pm

      @Soprano2: Sorry to hear that!

      Reply
    303. 303.

      Alison Rose

      January 6, 2023 at 2:26 pm

      @PaulB: Oh, I saw his name on the list of flips last time

      Reply
    304. 304.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 2:27 pm

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist:   I don’t know what he was promised.

      Reply
    305. 305.

      bjacques

      January 6, 2023 at 2:29 pm

      Couldn’t McCarthy promise two of the holdouts the best committee seats of the other two?

      Reply
    306. 306.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 2:29 pm

      There are three people that McCarthy’s people have been lobbying hard: Eli Crane, Andy Harris, and Matt Rosendale. With those three votes, and with the votes of the two members currently out of the chamber, McCarthy would finally eke out a victory.

      Harris caved but Eli Crane did not, at least not in this round. We’re still waiting to hear from Rosendale.

      Reply
    307. 307.

      artem1s

      January 6, 2023 at 2:30 pm

      Kaptur missed her vote

      Reply
    308. 308.

      OverTwistWillie

      January 6, 2023 at 2:34 pm

      Trade the cash

      for the beef

      for the body

      for the hate

      And my time is a piece of wax

      falling on a termite…

      That’s choking on the splinters.

      Soy un perdedor…..

      Reply
    309. 309.

      Geminid

      January 6, 2023 at 2:35 pm

      @PaulB: Good’s the bible thumper who knocked out inumbent Denver Riggleman in the 2020 nominating contest for the 5th Virginia CD. His allies made sure by engineering a caucus/convention process. The convention was held at Liberty University, where Good had worked years as a fundraiser. Liberty has a low-profile political machine that swings a lot of weight among 5th district Republicans, and Bob Good is their guy.

      Reply
    310. 310.

      Marcus

      January 6, 2023 at 2:36 pm

      @Chris Johnson:

      I don’t post here often

      But have been following this trend for a while …..started around Brexit. There is a lot of pieces converging

      Just curious what is your take on Bari Weiss, Matt Taibbi, and Glenn Greenwald?

      Reply
    311. 311.

      Alison Rose

      January 6, 2023 at 2:38 pm

      @OverTwistWillie: Aaaaaand now it’s in my head for the next 48 hours at least :P

      Reply
    312. 312.

      cain

      January 6, 2023 at 2:39 pm

      @PaulB: Their strategy is to run to daddy and tell him the kids are being mean.

      Reply
    313. 313.

      Alison Rose

      January 6, 2023 at 2:40 pm

      Apparently Muskrat just reinstated Michael Flynn’s account…on J6.

      Reply
    314. 314.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 2:40 pm

      Biden’s ceremony event is starting now.

      Reply
    315. 315.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 2:40 pm

      And Rosendale holds firm on never KKKevin.

      Reply
    316. 316.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 2:40 pm

      The last holdout, Matt Rosendale, continues to hold out. That’s 6 continuing to vote for not-Kevin.

      Reply
    317. 317.

      Jim, Foolish Literalist

      January 6, 2023 at 2:41 pm

      Jesus. Just turned on MSNBC and they’re interviewing the former head of the Capitol Police about 1/6 but they won’t mute the roll call vote. How the fuck do they think this is good television production, much less journalism?

      Reply
    318. 318.

      cain

      January 6, 2023 at 2:43 pm

      @Amir Khalid: I think he just wants that title, and it’s ok if he sucked at it – he will be immortalized – I mean people still remember Nero, right? :-)

      Reply
    319. 319.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 2:43 pm

      @PaulB:   Why do all of these never KKKevin conversions keep saying “pursuant to negotiations” before they vote McCarthy?  Are they threatening to revert back if they don’t get more?

      Reply
    320. 320.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 2:44 pm

      Where we stand after 13 votes: 6 people continue to hold out; 15 former holdouts have switched their votes to McCarthy; 2 McCarthy voters are currently out of the chamber but are supposed to fly back in tonight.

      Continuing to hold out:

      • Andy Biggs
      • Lauren Boebert
      • Eli Crane
      • Matt Gaetz
      • Bob Good
      • Matt Rosendale

      Former holdouts now voting for McCarthy:

      • Dan Bishop
      • Josh Brecheen
      • Mike Cloud
      • Andrew Clyde
      • Byron Donalds
      • Paul Gosar
      • Andy Harris
      • Anna Paulina Luna
      • Mary Miller
      • Ralph Norman
      • Andy Ogles
      • Scott Perry
      • Chip Roy
      • Keith Self
      • Victoria Spartz

      With Buck and Hunt returning to the House, McCarthy would have 216 of the 218 votes he needs.

      Reply
    321. 321.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 2:45 pm

      @eclare: Are they threatening to revert back if they don’t get more?

      Definitely a Godfather move: “Just remember, I own you.” or “Nice Speaker role you have there; it would be a shame if I had to vote to take it away from you.”

      Reply
    322. 322.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 2:45 pm

      Trone gets standing O!

      Reply
    323. 323.

      topclimber

      January 6, 2023 at 2:48 pm

      @Geminid: Are we still live? Debt bluff will be called, as it always is. Or did I miss a default somewhere? As for ongoing spending, I count on the Republicants to give us a shutdown like they have in the past.

      Reply
    324. 324.

      H.E.Wolf

      January 6, 2023 at 2:51 pm

      Per the excellent Electoral-Vote blog: These are the elections for Speaker that required more ballots than this situation. In chronological order, they are:

      John W. Taylor, 1820 (elected after 3 days, on the 22nd ballot).
      Howell Cobb, 1849 (elected after 20 days, on the 63rd ballot).
      Nathaniel P. Banks, 1855 (elected after 62 days, on the 133rd ballot).
      William Pennington, 1859 (elected after 58 days, on the 44th ballot)

      The link has a paragraph of interesting details for each one.
      https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2022/Items/Dec30-1.html

      Reply
    325. 325.

      topclimber

      January 6, 2023 at 2:53 pm

      @tobie: Only one plan: Let the GQP piss off both seniors AND Wall Street. In other words, they will fold.

      Reply
    326. 326.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 2:55 pm

      Final tally:

      McCarthy 214

      Jeffries 212

      Jordan 6

      432 members present and voting; 2 currently out of the chamber but supposed to return tonight. Right now, McCarthy needs 217 and he is 3 votes short. With the two members returning, he would need 218, but would have 216 with those two extra votes, so would only need 2 votes from the holdouts.

      Reply
    327. 327.

      Nettoyeur

      January 6, 2023 at 2:56 pm

      @The Moar You Know: If McCarthy gets to be speaker in the end, I reckon  there will be some uncomfortable consequences for the rebel holdouts despite all the pre-vote deals. “You go for the King, you best not miss.”

      Reply
    328. 328.

      TooManyJens

      January 6, 2023 at 2:59 pm

      Wesley Hunt really ought to tell McCarthy to go fuck himself for asking him to leave his newborn in the NICU (edit: and maybe miss his mother’s funeral?) to fly back to DC and bail his incompetent ass out.

      Reply
    329. 329.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 3:11 pm

      @TooManyJens:   Yeah, someone’s mother’s funeral is tomorrow.  Is it Hunt?

      Reply
    330. 330.

      James E Powell

      January 6, 2023 at 3:14 pm

      @Nettoyeur:

      Even if they succeed in breaking McCarthy’s will & some one else is the speaker, these yutzes are going to be despised nobodies in the Republican house. I suppose they do not care. Governing was never their career plan.

      Reply
    331. 331.

      TooManyJens

      January 6, 2023 at 3:15 pm

      @eclare:

      Yes. I cannot imagine having your mother die and your child born four weeks early in the same week, much less having to then drop everything to go vote for some dipshit because he can’t close the deal without you.

      Reply
    332. 332.

      Old School

      January 6, 2023 at 3:15 pm

      @eclare: Kevin Hern is the representative with the funeral tomorrow.

      Reply
    333. 333.

      Paul in KY

      January 6, 2023 at 3:16 pm

      @James E Powell: Thank you, James, for that info.

      Reply
    334. 334.

      Paul in KY

      January 6, 2023 at 3:20 pm

      @eclare: He’s one of my pathetic reps. Actually probably not as bad as the Massie idiot.

      Reply
    335. 335.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 3:23 pm

      Motion to adjourn until 10:00 pm tonight. Electronic voting will take place now for the next 15 minutes.

      Reply
    336. 336.

      TooManyJens

      January 6, 2023 at 3:23 pm

      @Old School:

      Oh, I misunderstood. Hern’s mother’s funeral was mentioned at the end of an article about Hunt and my eye just glided right over the different name.

      Reply
    337. 337.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 3:25 pm

      So far, the vote is on strict party lines: Republicans in favor of adjournment; Democrats opposed. If that holds true to the end, the House will adjourn.

      Reply
    338. 338.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 3:27 pm

      You know, if they can vote electronically like this on a yea/nay issue, why on earth can’t they upgrade the technology so that they can vote electronically for Speaker?

      Unrelated: one thing that just occurred to me is that the prior talking point that this is just an awesome example of democracy in action has pretty much disappeared. I guess it just didn’t work when held up against the reality.

      Reply
    339. 339.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 3:29 pm

      @PaulB: I appreciate these lists from you for all the votes!

      Reply
    340. 340.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 3:31 pm

      @Old School:   Thanks.

      I thought it was someone who had been nominated for speaker.

      Reply
    341. 341.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 3:31 pm

      @PaulB: This summary in particular is super helpful!

      Reply
    342. 342.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 3:32 pm

      Another thing that just occurred to me is that they don’t need both Buck and Hunt to return. They just need one of them.

      Currently: 432 votes total; Kevin has 214, needs 217 and is 3 votes short.

      With both returned, it would be 434 votes total; Kevin needs 218, would have 216 and would be 2 votes short.

      But with just one returned, it would be 433 votes total; Kevin would still need just 217, would have 215 and would be 2 votes short.

      Reply
    343. 343.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 3:33 pm

      @TooManyJens: I have been watching the Biden, so I missed all of those about the fellow whose baby was born 4 weeks early.

      Is he flying back for this or has he told McCarthy to fuck off?  I am on team fuck off, in case that’s not clear.

      Reply
    344. 344.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 3:33 pm

      @WaterGirl: Is he flying back for this or has he told McCarthy to fuck off?  I am on team fuck off, in case that’s not clear.

      The report is that they are both flying back. The fellow who lost his mother didn’t leave but will need to at some point. The two that are missing are out because of a prematurely-born son and because of some unspecified medical procedure, respectively.

      Reply
    345. 345.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 3:34 pm

      @TooManyJens:   Absolutely.

      Reply
    346. 346.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 3:36 pm

      McCarthy claims he will be elected Speaker tonight. When asked why he was so confident, he said it was because he counted.

      Right now, it’s 218 to 211 in favor of adjournment, with 5 outstanding votes, so we’ll be adjourning until 10 p.m.

      ———-

      Now 219 to 212 in favor of adjournment, with 3 outstanding votes, all Republican.

      Reply
    347. 347.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 3:38 pm

      @WaterGirl: This summary in particular is super helpful!

      Aw, shucks. Thanks for the kind words. I’m delighted you find the posts useful.

      Reply
    348. 348.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 3:38 pm

      @PaulB:   So maybe just Buck returns tonight.  I can’t imagine leaving a preemie.

      Reply
    349. 349.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 3:39 pm

      @PaulB:   Yes, thank you for all of the updates and maths!

      Reply
    350. 350.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 3:40 pm

      @eclare: I hope that they reached that compromise, but I’m skeptical. I expect McCarthy to want the symbolism of having all of the members voting. And the heroic effort of those two brave men returning, against all odds.

      Yeah, sickening, I know.

      Reply
    351. 351.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 3:41 pm

      And we’re adjourned.

      Reply
    352. 352.

      Old School

      January 6, 2023 at 3:41 pm

      If McCarthy made me come into work at 10:00 on a Friday night, I’d be tempted to vote against him out of anger.

      Reply
    353. 353.

      eclare

      January 6, 2023 at 3:43 pm

      @Old School:   As all normal not-nihilistic people should.

      Reply
    354. 354.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 3:45 pm

      @Old School: The passive-aggressive move would be to fly back and then vote PRESENT.

      Oh, and fuck you, Kevin.

      Reply
    355. 355.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 3:46 pm

      Love this comment from McCarthy, courtesy of CNN:

      “Because it took this long, now we learned how to govern. So now we’ll be able to get the job done,” McCarthy added.

      [Emphasis added.]

      Reply
    356. 356.

      Immanentize

      January 6, 2023 at 3:47 pm

      How long are the Democrats allowed to talk while nominating their candidate? I assume as there are no rules, they could take hours if they wanted to. Just to make the pain exquisite?

      Reply
    357. 357.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 3:48 pm

      From Julie Tsirkin of NBC News:

      GAETZ, who has been huddling with BOEBERT on the floor, sounds like he is conceding that McCarthy will win: “I think the House is in a lot better place with some of the work that’s been done to democratize power out of the speakership and that’s our goal.”

      Reply
    358. 358.

      Mike E

      January 6, 2023 at 3:51 pm

      These fcukers were doing it on J6 Day no matter what…you can never fascist too much or too often, apparently.

      Reply
    359. 359.

      PaulB

      January 6, 2023 at 3:51 pm

      @Immanentize: I assume there are time limits, but that would be priceless, particularly given Kevin McCarthy’s prior “filibuster” via an 8-hour speech which delayed the Build Back Better Act.

      Edited to add: A quick look says that House speeches are usually restricted to one minute or five minutes, depending on what the House is doing. The McCarthy thing was him taking advantage of a “magic minute” that only the Majority Leader, Minority Leader, and Speaker can use.

      Reply
    360. 360.

      Ken

      January 6, 2023 at 3:59 pm

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist: good lord, incoming chair of oversight?

      So he thinks, but Kevin has probably promised that to Gosar for his vote. Or Perry. Or both.

      Reply
    361. 361.

      Immanentize

      January 6, 2023 at 4:05 pm

      @PaulB: but the only rules right now are, as people call them, “Jefferson’s rules” as no rules have been adopted at all for this Congress. Which is why CSPAN is watchable this week.

      Reply
    362. 362.

      Chris Johnson

      January 6, 2023 at 4:08 pm

      @Marcus: Neither do I: I get grumpy plus I’d been a Bernie guy in the primaries and so I mostly lurk.

      Bari Weiss, Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald? It can be hard to tell which garbage is just garbage and which are directly working for Russia. Sometimes it’s easier like with Caleb Maupin, who turned out to be a sex creep trying to get spanked, and was literally working for RT.

      The thing to remember is that Russia is very serious about all this but that is NOT the same thing as directly controlling everybody like there’s some Boris Badenov giving orders. They’re chaos-sowers and narrative mongers and are willing to be patient.

      It’s hard to tell, of the MAGA holdouts, which are straight up working for Putin and which are narrative true believers. I still think certain people like Tucker Carlson are straight up working for Putin. Others like McConnell probably were, but were so clever and ruthless that they were able to step back to save their skins. I would have thought Hannity was working directly for Putin but then he went off on Boebert on his show as if he was unhappy with her handling of things.

      One thing about Taibbi is the history of bad behavior in actual Russia. It’s like Trump trying to do real estate deals in Russia. Some of these people obviously let themselves in for trouble, and are subject to pressure. That doesn’t mean they take detailed orders, just that they are traitors, serving someone else as best they can. It’s not like they’re remote controlled. Putin’s big breakthrough was stochastic politics and chaos. This like the Jan 6 insurrection is a triumph of demonstrating that’s practical. Effective? Jury is very much out on that, but it is possible.

      Reply
    363. 363.

      Ken

      January 6, 2023 at 4:30 pm

      @PaulB: Seriously? I don’t know which is more ridiculous, the implicit (though true) statement that Republicans didn’t know how to govern before this week, or the idea that anyone, much less this crowd, could learn to govern in four days.

      Reply
    364. 364.

      Marcus

      January 6, 2023 at 4:46 pm

      @Chris Johnson:

       

      @Chris Johnson: Thanks for the reply

      I too saw Boebert and Hannity…first thing that came out of her mouth …no new financing for Ukraine and Gaetz said the same thing latter…its not coincidental

      I know that Roger Stone is Trumps id and he he too speaks the same language

      I guess for them there is no countries anymore just power and friendly banks

      Reply
    365. 365.

      WaterGirl

      January 6, 2023 at 4:48 pm

      @Immanentize: List the names of everyone in the House who didn’t vote to certify the election?

      Reply
    366. 366.

      Bill Arnold

      January 6, 2023 at 5:05 pm

      @Marcus:

      I too saw Boebert and Hannity…first thing that came out of her mouth …no new financing for Ukraine and Gaetz said the same thing latter…its not coincidental

      They and a bunch of like-minded people have been trying to make opposition to Ukraine/support for genocidal Russian imperialists into a Red Cap litmus test.
      It’s been a tough sell, so far.

      Reply
    367. 367.

      eachother

      January 6, 2023 at 7:26 pm

      @James E Powell:

      Interest rates too low IMO.
      Yes I have an interest in interest levels.  Specifically income.
      But, economy looks strong if not resilient in the face of Russian war, pandemic, weather impacts etc.  Not particularly wanting to favor bank, mortgage or real estate sectors, or hurt investors or home buyers, but interest rates for economic stability, have room to move. Again IMO. 5% is a very reasonable goal for the Fed.
      No reason for me to think the golden goose will be killed or her egg laying much affected. The value of her eggs has been rising nicely lately. This may not be the best news either. But war, pandemic and Republican control of the house makes egg collectors nervous and covetous.
      And the off the top inflation devaluation also too.

      Reply
    368. 368.

      Miss Bianca

      January 6, 2023 at 9:07 pm

      @West of the Rockies: Way late to the thread, but LMAO over here. Nice job!

      Reply

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