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Late Night Open Thread: Gastronomic Customs Among the Natives

by Anne Laurie|  January 11, 20232:54 am| 112 Comments

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because we have california burritos this isn’t hard https://t.co/e3pP5L2xyW

— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachi) January 10, 2023

I gotta admit, nobody admires a fried potato product more than I do (and I have the physique to prove it), but I’ve never seen the point of suppressing their glorious salted mouthfeel by wrapping them in bread. I never understood the appeal of potato chips on burgers, either…

And I don’t grok fries in a burrito, for the same reason.

because it has the nutrient density of two pieces of bread with fried potatoes in it and the calorie density of two pieces of bread with fried potatoes in it

— kit sparks (@kitsysparks) January 10, 2023

WW2 is over and the Allies won, stop punishing yourself

— Serious Pool Lifeguard (@seriouspoolman) January 10, 2023

If you have the manual dexterity of the average toddler, you should be able to pick up an individual fried potato stick and eat it without a protective shell of Mother’s Pride!

a thing i sincerely like about american food culture is that we are basically the borg when it comes to food

— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachi) January 10, 2023

Also disrespectful to the glorious fry!

Gotta kinda disagree because I think this is the correct answer https://t.co/9SIC85AVrr

— Jacob (@El_HebrewHammer) January 10, 2023

Part of it is that I never understood the British custom of heavily buttering every sandwich. My Irish granny (born Presbyterian, but we never knew that) believed no ham sandwich was complete without a quarter-inch layer of salted butter on each side of the bread, which her grandkids would quietly scrape off if we could get away with it.

I’d probably eat one of these, though:

I had an awesome tikka masala burrito, which I feel is a very american cuisine sentence

— Nick Gorges (@NickGorges) January 10, 2023

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    1. 1.

      Rebel’s Dad

      January 11, 2023 at 3:08 am

      A couple of years ago, I took an AncestryDNA test. Turns out I’m 47% English, which after I did some genealogical sleuthing made perfect sense. I’m so glad my ancestors left in 1847 and came to America so I could eat real food and not sad attempts like the one pictured above.

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      livewyre

      January 11, 2023 at 3:26 am

      What, the war update threads were getting too peaceful so now it’s time for correct food opinions?

      I kid. Mostly. Also, second.

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      HumboldtBlue

      January 11, 2023 at 3:29 am

      I’ve eaten plenty of ham sammiches on buttered bread, hell, many times that’s toasted bread smeared with butter and three eggs over easy (or the flop, as I call it when frying an egg), but a slab of ham, some bread, butter, and mustard and all we need is beer.

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      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 3:38 am

      All decent chip butties come from wrapping soft white bread around chips purchased from the nearest Chinese chip shop, doused in salt and vinegar and possibly dipped in either gravy or curry sauce beforehand. This is because everything on Earth is improved by making it into a sandwich.

      Also, too, half baguettes filed with a long merguez sausage and topped off with frites at 1.30 in the morning while cruising the weekend streets of historical Aix en Provence.

      The US has an astonishing range of food choices from all over the world, but also chocolate that tastes of piss and cheese that comes sans any flavour whatsoever. No one gets it right all the time.

      Except the inventor of fish finger butties with ketchup. He or she is a god.

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      HumboldtBlue

      January 11, 2023 at 3:45 am

      @Tony Jay:

      that comes sans any flavour whatsoever

      Fuck that. We got wiz.

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      Annamal

      January 11, 2023 at 3:58 am

      I think the problem might be that US white bread is not comparable with nz, aus or uk white bread. Not that these are great breads but they’re not as thin or sugary as US white bread.

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      Spider-Dan

      January 11, 2023 at 4:01 am

      It is truly underrated how great the food variety in the US is. We may not have the Italian food of Italy, the Mexican food of Mexico, the Jamaican food of Jamaica, the Indian food of India, the Japanese food of Japan, or the Thai food of Thailand… but I’m willing to bet that we have better Thai food than Italy, Jamaica, or Mexico, better Mexican food than Thailand, India, or Japan, better Italian food than India, Japan, or Jamaica…

      And then you get to our soul food and BBQ.

      Being a nation of immigrants truly has given us the best of all food worlds.

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      ColoradoGuy

      January 11, 2023 at 4:08 am

      A tikka masala burrito! That sounds great! Yum!

      Except I have to fly to California to get it. Probably not the best time to visit.

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      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 4:11 am

      @HumboldtBlue:

      Oh very funny. Like anyone would actually produce a monstrosity like that* and market it as a foodstuff. Next you’ll be telling me you believe in spaghetti trees and alpacas.

      * I’m aware that Ritz-style cheese ‘flavoured’ biscuits exist, but they’re the abominable exception that proves the rule. The rule being that yes, as with Quavers, there really is a market for things that taste like a cat was recently sick on the crusty feet of a very elderly jogger.

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      Ascap_scab

      January 11, 2023 at 4:17 am

      And I don’t grok fries in a burrito, for the same reason.

      Not fries, tots.

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      Pete Downunder

      January 11, 2023 at 4:19 am

      To have good ethnic away from its home country you need immigrants. Here in Oz we have have good Indian food, good Italian food and good various Asian foods because we have heaps of immigrants from those countries. On the other hand the Mexican food here is beyond horrible because we have no Mexicans.

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      HumboldtBlue

      January 11, 2023 at 4:23 am

      Quavers

      One wonders if the ground starts shaking, what to say then?

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      Viva BrisVegas

      January 11, 2023 at 4:29 am

      @Rebel’s Dad: If your ancestors had stayed in the old country, you would be eating Indian curries right now. For good or ill.

      Chip butties are delicious, but the bread needs to be soft, the chips crunchy and the butter thick.

      Any sandwich without butter is an abomination. Don’t get me started on mayo.

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      Bruce K in ATH-GR

      January 11, 2023 at 4:40 am

      One thing that surprised me about Greece was that gyro and souvlaki wraps generally include French fries inside them. Personally, I prefer more leafy greens in my wraps and sandwiches, and can give the embedded potatoes a miss if I have the choice. But … to each their own.

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      Leslie

      January 11, 2023 at 5:08 am

      @Tony Jay: I dunno about UK cheese, but French cheese is delicious and, importantly for me, doesn’t set off my food sensitivities the way US cheese does. Apparently US cows have some kind of mutation that affects the cheese

      Re chip butties, I don’t see the appeal, but I think fries (especially the thick, potato wedge kind) are great on their own. Adding bread and butter does not improve them.

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      oldster

      January 11, 2023 at 5:13 am

      Tikka masala burrito?

      Oh, hell yeah.

      I also don’t deny the appeal of a “chip butty”, though the name is undeniably unappealing. Sure, I’d eat one.

      But acquiring a taste for them would make me fat, diabetic, and miserable. They’re manifestly unhealthy — they don’t contain the nutrition you need, and they do contain the calories you don’t need.

      So, as a special treat? No worse than cheesecake, or Schwarzwald kuchen. But if those were the options, who in their right mind would would choose the “chip butty”? It’s the treat food that’s no treat.

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      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 5:30 am

      @Leslie:

      I did not know that about American cows and their cheese. Full service blog.

      But you’re talking to a guy who likes sandwiches so much he makes noodle butties, so I’m unconvincable. In fact the only things I won’t put in there are Piccalilli and fresh cut tomatoes, because one tastes like all the horrors of the world in yellow form, and the other makes the damned bread soggy.

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    18. 18.

      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 5:31 am

      @oldster:

        So, as a special treat? No worse than cheesecake, or Schwarzwald kuchen. But if those were the options, who in their right mind would would choose the “chip butty”? It’s the treat food that’s no treat.

      Por que nos dos?

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      Ruckus

      January 11, 2023 at 5:39 am

      Best fries I’ve ever eaten were from a fries stand in Brussels. Hands down best.

      Now I’ve eaten good fries in the us, In and Out Burgers fries are pretty good.

      I’ve traveled and eaten in 46 states, a number of places in the Caribbean Islands and all around Europe.

      The worst food ever was in the navy and not all of it was horrible but there was one day out at sea that at the dinner table the discussions were all about breaking into the gun locker and taking over the ship, mutiny – over the food, and those were the lifers. The best food overall was in Europe, mostly northern Europe.

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      Jeffg166

      January 11, 2023 at 5:48 am

      Primanti Bros popped into my mind when I saw the first photo. I am glad they got mentioned.

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      Anne Laurie

      January 11, 2023 at 5:55 am

      @Tony Jay: In fact the only things I won’t put in there are Piccalilli and fresh cut tomatoes, because one tastes like all the horrors of the world in yellow form, and the other makes the damned bread soggy.

      As far as I can tell, piccalilli was invented to use up bits of vegetables that nobody wanted to eat in the first place, and using up all the end-of-bottle condiments plus a bunch of yellow mustard doesn’t really disguise them sufficiently.

      Homegrown tomato sammiches traditionally use mayonnaise the way Brits use butter — to insulate soft bread from the copious tomato juices.  Me, I prefer a quality sourdough bread that can stand up to getting wet!

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      oldster

      January 11, 2023 at 6:00 am

      @Tony Jay:

      Why not eat both the treats?

      Do it! Absolutely. When I was 25, I would have eaten them all, and stayed the same weight, and felt no worse for it. The metabolism at that age is a furnace that burns whatever crap you throw in there.

      But at 75, you have to pick and choose a bit more. Your own comfort and sense of well-being are always on the menu, along with your blood sugar, cholesterol, and ability to walk around the block.

      So instead of “why not both?”, the question becomes, “which two of the three? The kuchen, the butty, or my health?” At 75, you can’t have all three, because you’re not 25 any more.

      I’m not saying you should choose being 75 over being 25. Go for being 25, definitely, if you’re given the choice.

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    23. 23.

      Anne Laurie

      January 11, 2023 at 6:07 am

      @Anne Laurie: I should also mention giardiniera, which — apart from sounding like an intestinal infection — varies so widely in preparation that I never trust a particular take-out’s version until I’ve tasted it first.

      It’s an Italian-American invention, but even though there are plenty of ‘authentic’ Italian immigrants & children-of-Italian-immigrants around here, most of the local pizza / sub sandwich places that offer giardiniera as a condiment are either Greek or Brazilian-Portuguese.  The Greek immigrants had a lock on such mid-level delivery places in the Midwest, but they’re moving up in the world, and being bought out by newer Brazilian — or, increasingly, Cape Verdean — immigrants!

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      geg6

      January 11, 2023 at 6:09 am

      The Primanti’s sammy has a practical origin.  The original store was in the city’s Strip District  where the produce delivery terminals were and they created the sandwich for the truck drivers who made those deliveries and had to hightail it back to wherever they came from the PA hinterlands and beyond.  The truckers wanted a full meal they could eat as a handheld.  That’s why it has the good, thick bread with meat, fries, coleslaw and tomatoes inside.  I love me a Primanti’s.  We also put fries with steak, chicken or fish on our salads.
      As for a tikka masala burrito…no way.  But that’s because I do not like Indian food or pretty much any cuisine that uses a lot of curry.  To me, curry tastes awful.  It makes me gag every time.  Which is unusual for me as I will generally eat almost anything.

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      oatler

      January 11, 2023 at 6:25 am

      Why won’t the mayo bullies leave us alone?

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    26. 26.

      Ceci n est pas mon nym

      January 11, 2023 at 6:38 am

      @Ruckus: I’ve actually had Navy food on a couple short (few weeks) ship rides and thought it wasn’t bad. But that may have been because they made us eat with the officers.

      However, I thought the officers’ coffee was dishwater and would detour a couple decks down to get my coffee on the way to work.

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    27. 27.

      Baud

      January 11, 2023 at 6:42 am

      OT.  All flights grounded due to FAA computer issue.

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      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 6:43 am

      @Anne Laurie:

      My parents used to slather piccalilli on their beef sandwiches for a snack, and have never acknowledged how sinful this was. I’ve told them quite bluntly that this is the reason I’m putting both of them into a nursing home as soon as they’re too old and incoherent to present an opposing argument.

      I also love mayo. It’s what chickens willingly die to be teamed up with.

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    29. 29.

      Ceci n est pas mon nym

      January 11, 2023 at 6:45 am

      There are places here (Philly) that call themselves English pubs and the food is pretty decent. Like all food far from its home, it probably isn’t very similar to actual pub food.

      Never seen a “chip butty” though and can’t imagine why I’d ever want to.

      My wife invented “egg bowls” during lockdown. That’s basically leftover anything tossed in a bowl and reheated with egg whites. Turns out anything can be breakfast if you put eggs in it. Also some of the odd mixtures that result are surprisingly good.

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      gene108

      January 11, 2023 at 6:48 am

      I discovered a place that delivers to where I work that sells kati rolls. I’ve never heard of these before.

      It’s a genius invention. Indian curry wrapped in a flatbread. I can’t understand why these aren’t sold everywhere.

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    31. 31.

      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 6:51 am

      @oldster:

      There is wisdom in this.

      Have you considered drinking the blood of teenaged virgins? It seems to be successful in delaying Peter Thiel’s dirtnap in his Grand Mausoleum and as long as you avoid the attentions of katana-wielding former officers of the Imperial Guard, you’re golden.

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      Kathleen

      January 11, 2023 at 7:01 am

      My fave breakfast is the egg, cheese and potato burrito from my locL coffee shop. It’s like having eggs and fried potato separately except they’re together in the wrap. And potatoes are freshly fried and not made from frozen. I just love potatos period.

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      WhatsMyNym

      January 11, 2023 at 7:09 am

      @Baud:

      OT. All flights grounded due to FAA computer issue.

      That’s odd, I heard what sounded like lot of Navy jets taking off at Whidbey Island at the same time.

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      JanieM

      January 11, 2023 at 7:12 am

      I’ve never seen the point of suppressing their glorious salted mouthfeel by wrapping them in bread.

      This is how I felt when I first saw a clam roll (in a grad school dining hall it was). The clams are already breaded and deep-fried, what on earth would you want to add a(nother) layer of bread for?

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      JR

      January 11, 2023 at 7:12 am

      This person has never heard of a Pittsburgh Salad either. I love how pictures of Primantis >>> actual Primantis.

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    36. 36.

      ian

      January 11, 2023 at 7:16 am

      Fries can go just fine in a sandwich or burrito, so long as used sparingly.

      The sandwich pictured at top is an abomination.

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      Matt McIrvin

      January 11, 2023 at 7:18 am

      While I’ve never had a chip butty, I’ve had Lebanese-style pita rollups that had fries in them along with various other things, so this doesn’t seem like an abomination to me. The completely unrelieved carbs might be a bit much.

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    38. 38.

      SFAW

      January 11, 2023 at 7:27 am

      @Tony Jay:
      Please show us on the doll where the decent (i.e., non-Brit) cuisine touched you.
      [As opposed to British “cuisine.”]​

      ETA: I have said for decades that the term “Irish cuisine” is an oxymoron. English/Brit “cuisine” is not appreciably better; I think there are some dishes you don’t boil the shit out of.

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      different-church-lady

      January 11, 2023 at 7:37 am

      One of the dumbest articles I ever saw in the WaPo was some idiot saying, “Why haven’t Italians embraced complicated newfangled ways of making espresso?” and 9538 people fell out of the sky to tell him, “Because Italian espresso is literally perfect just the way it is, you complete dope.” Such an American point of view — it’s no good unless we’re making it more difficult.

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      oldster

      January 11, 2023 at 7:39 am

      @Tony Jay:

      Thiel is such a grotesque and laughable villain. He’s moved on now, from drinking teenage blood to planting horcruxes of himself in various lifeless objects, like Matt Gaetz’s forehead.

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      Princess

      January 11, 2023 at 7:40 am

      All I can say is I spent 9 months in the UK last year and I would take British food culture, as a whole, over American any day of the week.

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      different-church-lady

      January 11, 2023 at 7:40 am

      I really wish people would stop using “cuisine” to mean the same thing as “the weird combination of random things the general population of any given country thoughtlessly shoves in their pie holes.”

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      lowtechcyclist

      January 11, 2023 at 7:45 am

      @oatler:

      And then there’s the mayo v. miracle whip debate.

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      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 7:46 am

      @SFAW:

      You’re including Picca-fucking-lilli under the heading ‘decent cuisine’? And you’re dissing Mayo? MAYO? The condiment that is already halfway (more or less) to Manna and so fine even the Belgians like it?!?

      Face it, Grandpa. The reason those people boiled all your food is because that’s what your carers told them to do. Meanwhile we’re all over here chewing with our own teeth.

      Irish Stew is nice, too, Godammit!

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      Kristine

      January 11, 2023 at 7:46 am

      I use flavored mustards instead of mayo because for me flavorless oily mouthfeel just…yuck. Yes, even freshly made mayo.

      Trader Joe’s sells a garlic mustard “aioli” that I’m addicted to. I add a dollop of Inglehoffer horseradish cream to give it a kick. Great on a burger or any meat sandwich.

      also Moulins les Mahjoub harissa with sun dried tomatoes. Packs some heat by itself but a little adds a bit of smoky kick.

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      RSA

      January 11, 2023 at 7:47 am

      @geg6:  The Primanti’s sammy has a practical origin.  The original store was in the city’s Strip District  where the produce delivery terminals were and they created the sandwich for the truck drivers…

      I think this general point might have been missed in the earlier discussion.  We’re talking working-class food, where the question historically hasn’t been “Which kind of yummy sandwich shall I choose today?” but instead “What’s cheap and filling?”

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    47. 47.

      Princess

      January 11, 2023 at 7:48 am

      @Baud: the first thing I wonder about is a Russian cyberattack.

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    48. 48.

      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 7:48 am

      @oldster:

      Ha! I’m going to start using that in conversation.

      “This legislation will never pass. It’s deader than Matt Gaetz’s forehead.”

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      Geminid

      January 11, 2023 at 7:50 am

      Is it true that mayonnaise cannot be made during an electrical storm?

      Asking for a friend.

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      lowtechcyclist

      January 11, 2023 at 7:51 am

      Boardwalk fries with lots of vinegar.  Those are God’s fries.  No need to gussy them up in a sandwich, you just want to eat them the way they are.

      I don’t know why so many fast-food places serve up boring fries, but that’s what they are: boring.  Including the vaunted MickeyD’s fries.  My wife and son like them, so I regularly get the opportunity to refresh my familiarity with their boredom.

      The weird thing is, once every couple of years, I’ll pick up a batch of Mcfries for them, and they’ll actually be good.  Good enough that I’ll eat half of them on the way home, and be pissed that I didn’t order some just for me.  Good enough that they’re still good after they’ve cooled down.  Good enough that if they were that way all the time, I’d understand why people like them.  But they’re not.  They’re just that good once every blue moon.  So strange.

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      oatler

      January 11, 2023 at 7:58 am

      @different-church-lady:

      “The Rice Crispies treat: epic; iconic; next-level umami. So here’s six ways to fuck them up because we need content!”

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      JPL

      January 11, 2023 at 7:59 am

      Has it been mentioned that Biden planned the grounding of planes in order to stop CNN from talking about his unsecured classified documents.

      hmm

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      Ceci n est pas mon nym

      January 11, 2023 at 7:59 am

      There’s a Mexican place near me whose version of the torta (sandwich, served on something like a Kaiser roll) has everything in it. Everything. Very goopy, impossible to really eat with your hands (but I keep trying anyway). Damn that thing is good.

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      SFAW

      January 11, 2023 at 8:00 am

      @Tony Jay:

      Meanwhile we’re all over here chewing with our own teeth.

      Yes, the English are legendary for having excellent teeth.
      And mayo is certainly a wonderful condiment. Especially on Wonder Bread slathered with the appropriately-named Cheese Whiz (“it has a heady bouquet of chemicals with hints of urine a/k/a ‘whiz’ “). Maybe add some Underwood deviled ham.
      You Brits should stick to “baking.”
      ETA: Or “brewing” things like bleedin’ Watney’s Red Barrel.​
       
      ETA2: You do realize that Cole’s “tire rims and anthrax” was a metaphor, not an actual recipe/menu choice, right?

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    55. 55.

      Ceci n est pas mon nym

      January 11, 2023 at 8:06 am

      @SFAW: You Brits should stick to “baking.”

      The Great British Baking Show is an amazing gift the Brits have given to the world. And the skills displayed by the bakers are incredible.

      But I don’t think we’ve ever seen anything on that show that we thought we’d actually like to eat, let alone bake.

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      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 8:07 am

      @SFAW:

      I hate to tell you this but the younger generation of Britons have taken on board your Colonial obsession with competitive dentistry with such enthusiasm that millions now sport oral grids of blindingly orderly shininess –  it’s like Invasion of the Body Snatchers, only with everyone being Barry Gibb in headlights.

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      Princess

      January 11, 2023 at 8:09 am

      @JPL: not yet but I’ve been informed that whether it’s a cyberattack or the malfunction of an antiquated system, it’s all Biden’s fault. I guess the systems all became antiquated on Jan 21 2021.

      Reply
    58. 58.

      Chris T.

      January 11, 2023 at 8:13 am

      Buttered bread is great (provided the bread itself is good) but you don’t need butter on that kind of sandwich, no.

      Reply
    59. 59.

      Doc H

      January 11, 2023 at 8:17 am

      See also: tikka masala chile relleno!

      Reply
    60. 60.

      Chris T.

      January 11, 2023 at 8:17 am

      @Pete Downunder:

      To have good ethnic away from its home country you need immigrants. Here in Oz we have have good Indian food, good Italian food and good various Asian foods because we have heaps of immigrants from those countries. On the other hand the Mexican food here is beyond horrible because we have no Mexicans.

      Oz has some great food now, yes. Apparently this started in the 1970s (well before my time of travelling to distant lands). I admit I never attempted to find Mexican food there, probably just as well.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 8:20 am

      @SFAW:

        ETA: Or “brewing” things like bleedin’ Watney’s Red Barrel.​

      See, it’s historical footnotes like this that make me happy. I’ve never heard of this stuff before, mostly because proper British Ale enthusiasts (Gawd Bless their drooping bellies) drove it to extinction when I was so young I didn’t even need glasses. But if it’s what you were forced to sup on when you were over here harassing our barmaids, introducing Be-Bop to kids and waiting for D-Day, I can see why you’d be so ‘bitter’ over it.

      ETA2: You do realize that Cole’s “tire rims and anthrax” was a metaphor, not an actual recipe/menu choice, right?

      You obviously haven’t tried it slathered in mayo and wedged between two quivering baps. Challenging, but a compelling odyssey of texture and (frequently coppery) flavours.

       

      I will say this though in all honesty. American style corned beef is the fucking shizzle. Absolutely amazing stuff. Nicest surprise I had over there outside of a public toilet.

      Reply
    62. 62.

      SFAW

      January 11, 2023 at 8:23 am

      @Tony Jay: ​
       
      So, in other words, you Brits have adopted American stuff to fix a problem? Shocking, if true.

      it’s like Invasion of the Body Snatchers, only with everyone being Barry Gibb in headlights.

      Lines like this are one of the reasons I love reading you.

      Reply
    63. 63.

      Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 8:24 am

      @Tony Jay:

      the best sandwich is a B.L.T. Pick the bread of your choice, preferably a hearty, rustic bread, with a good crust. Lightly toasts it, and lightly butter it. Lay down a nice layer of naturally smoked, thick cut bacon on the bottom slice of bread. Layer on some meaty, fresh, heritage tomato slices, ideally fresh from the garden, still warm from the sunshine, hit those with some salt and freshly cracked black pepper, layer on half an inch of romaine lettuce or spinach, put a nice, (not too thick, not too thin) schmear of Hellmans mayo on the top slice of bread, cap the sandwich off, enjoy. The sandwich won’t survive long enough for the tomato juices to make the bread soggy.

      Reply
    64. 64.

      SFAW

      January 11, 2023 at 8:33 am

      @Tony Jay: ​
       

      between two quivering baps.

      I admit I don’t get much Brit slang, but I have only seen “baps” used to refer to part of female anatomy, e.g., “baps out” (or “baps oot,” I guess). Is there another meaning?

      As for Watney’s, I was riffing on Python:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to22rRnK7gE

      Reply
    65. 65.

      NotMax

      January 11, 2023 at 8:34 am

      @SFAW

      Linked in the past, a T-shirt with a timeless topical message sold at an upscale dining joint here.

      :)

      Reply
    66. 66.

      A Man for All Seaonings (formerly Geeno)

      January 11, 2023 at 8:35 am

      @Leslie: Aged cheeses have most of the lactose pressed out them during the aging process. So Cheddar and Gruyere – very little lactose; Mozzarella and Ricotta – boatloads of lactose.

      Reply
    67. 67.

      p.a.

      January 11, 2023 at 8:36 am

      Do Italians look down on other Italian regions’ foods the way they look down on Italian-American food?  Why can’t they just consider America, Argentina, Oz, the 21st, 22nd, 23rd regions?

      Reply
    68. 68.

      SFAW

      January 11, 2023 at 8:37 am

      @Tony Jay:

      introducing Be-Bop to kids

      Not be-bop, exactly, but here’s Jaco Pastorius’s version of “Donna Lee” (written by Miles Davis, played by Charlie Parker).

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUordW71wm4&list=RDWUordW71wm4&start_radio=1&ab_channel=Jazzman2696

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Matt McIrvin

      January 11, 2023 at 8:37 am

      @SFAW: I’m going to defend British teeth–they’ve been fine for a long time; probably better than here, across the whole population. What Brits don’t have is universal cosmetic orthodontics.

      Reply
    70. 70.

      SFAW

      January 11, 2023 at 8:38 am

      @NotMax: ​

      A great one.
      ETA: There was a variation of that one, talking about the poor soul who had a Jewish bartender and an Irish psychiatrist

      Reply
    71. 71.

      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 8:38 am

      @SFAW:

        So, in other words, you Brits have adopted American stuff to fix a problem? Shocking, if true.

      Honestly, it’s freakish. Basically people get on a plane to Turkey (you can stuff your Türkiye – sounds like a noise a vicar would make as he sits on a cold toilet) looking more or less like everyday human beings, then they return two weeks later £10,000 worse off with mahogany skin, teeth like a line of full-brightness I-Pad screens and enough lip, boob and arse implants to refloat the Titanic.

      I’ve no objection at all to people wanting to look like Ariana Grande or Megan Thee Stallion, the problem is, a) they really, really don’t, and, b) see a).

      Also, policemen are getting younger and children are encroaching upon my lawn.

      Reply
    72. 72.

      skerry

      January 11, 2023 at 8:38 am

      There’s an Asian/Indian and pizza fusion place near me. Curry pie is delicious.

      Reply
    73. 73.

      Cacti

      January 11, 2023 at 8:40 am

      It’s a sandwich with the word “butt” in the name. Who wants to eat a butt sandwich?

      Reply
    74. 74.

      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 8:41 am

      @Jay:

      Gif of Kathleen Turner falling back onto her pillow with lit cigarette in hand, looking flushed, tousled and ever so relaxed.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      SFAW

      January 11, 2023 at 8:41 am

      @Matt McIrvin:

      Troll

      [Yes, I’m kidding.]

      Reply
    76. 76.

      NotMax

      January 11, 2023 at 8:41 am

      Probably antiquated advice by now but just in case, if ever in Scotland avoid ordering Chinese food at any cost.

      Permanent place of shame on the list of ten worst meals ever brought to table and set before me.

      Reply
    77. 77.

      UncleEbeneezer

      January 11, 2023 at 8:43 am

      Sorry AL, you are dead to me now.  The beef “spuderito” (taco beef, fries, cheese and hot sauce, wrapped in a flour tortilla) is amazing!  Next time you are in Pasadena go to Bobby’s Burgers.

      Reply
    78. 78.

      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 8:45 am

      @SFAW:

      A bap is like a soft bread roll, but I was indeed introducing some of the smut.

      Also not exactly Be-Bop, but I caught these two on Jools Holland’s New Year Hootenanny and thought “Yeah, I could enjoy some of that.”

      Reply
    79. 79.

      SFAW

      January 11, 2023 at 8:46 am

      @NotMax: ​
       
      Back when Mrs. SFAW and I were dating, we went out for dinner at some [non-Chinese] place in Hahvahd Square. I ordered a “stir-fried” dish. The dish arrived with the “food” in about a quarter-inch of water.
      Since I had been stir-frying for upwards of ten years at that time, and was half-decent at it, I was, shall we say, less than thrilled.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 8:46 am

      @Cacti:

      Who wants to eat a butt sandwich?

      Kink-shaming? Here? How very dare you!

      Reply
    81. 81.

      SFAW

      January 11, 2023 at 8:47 am

      @Tony Jay:

      Also not exactly Be-Bop

      Somewhat of an understatement.

      Reply
    82. 82.

      NotMax

      January 11, 2023 at 8:49 am

      @SFAW

      So it was stirred while the cook ate fries.

      Reply
    83. 83.

      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 8:51 am

      @NotMax:

      OTOH, if you’re ever on the island of Bute and see Chicken Balmoral on the menu in Rothesay’s only seafood restaurant, order two of them and post one to me.

      And I say this as someone who balks at the smell of whisky, but by the pearly balls of St Gonad that sauce capped off one of the nicest things I’ve ever eaten.

      Reply
    84. 84.

      Delk

      January 11, 2023 at 8:52 am

      A lot of Italian Beef places in Chicago have potato sandwiches. Mostly during Lent (along with pepper and egg sandwiches) but some offer them year round.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 8:53 am

      @SFAW:

      I did mention I was musically illiterate, didn’t I? Maybe I should have led with that.

      Reply
    86. 86.

      Cacti

      January 11, 2023 at 8:58 am

      Can’t find it just now, but the best comment was how the Brits make some foods sound awful right from the jump with the names they give them.

      See: Chip butty, toad in the hole, spotted dick, etc.

      Sorry Tony Jay if you love all three. Lol

      Reply
    87. 87.

      Ceci n est pas mon nym

      January 11, 2023 at 9:08 am

      @Cacti: Actually, names like that make me curious to try them. On the other hand, seeing packets of “Brown Sauce” made me not at all curious to try. It would be like the menu in “My Cousin Vinnie” that offered two items: Breakfast or Lunch.

      Reply
    88. 88.

      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 9:11 am

      @Cacti:

      I do. I do. I do.

      Traditionally it was a deliberate measure to reduce the chances of a French invasion. The thinking being that the planet’s great gastronomes would think twice about shedding their garlicky blood to conquer a Kingdom where ‘living off the land’ meant choosing between the mud-clogged cousin of Monsieur l’grenouille and pockmarked penis cake.

      Honest. It’s all true.

      Reply
    89. 89.

      NotMax

      January 11, 2023 at 9:14 am

      @Tony Jay

      Other side of the coin is James Burke’s summation of Chicken Marengo from Connections. Relevant portion runs from about 16:45 to about 17:45.

      Reply
    90. 90.

      different-church-lady

      January 11, 2023 at 9:22 am

      @Tony Jay: I understand the bowler hat has also fallen out of fashion?

      Reply
    91. 91.

      different-church-lady

      January 11, 2023 at 9:24 am

      @Tony Jay:

      Nicest surprise I had over there outside of a public toilet.

      You do know you’re supposed to go inside, yes?

      Reply
    92. 92.

      different-church-lady

      January 11, 2023 at 9:26 am

      @SFAW: “SHUT YOUR BLOODY GOB!!!!”

      Reply
    93. 93.

      different-church-lady

      January 11, 2023 at 9:29 am

      @Cacti: Who wants to eat a butt sandwich?

      Do. Not. Summon. Rule. 34.

      Reply
    94. 94.

      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 9:37 am

      @different-church-lady:

      It was a warm night and George was insistent he wanted to ‘go outside’. After that, Wham!

      Reply
    95. 95.

      Elizabelle

      January 11, 2023 at 9:48 am

      Wow.  I can’t imagine Elvis Presley eating that, and he was into some trailer park cuisine.

      Well.  Maybe …

      Reply
    96. 96.

      Tony Jay

      January 11, 2023 at 9:57 am

      @different-church-lady:

      Yeah, but so did Toryism, gin and the unbearded moustache, and they all came roaring back.

      Nothing ever stays dead.

      Reply
    97. 97.

      NotMax

      January 11, 2023 at 10:07 am

      @Elizabelle

      “I know! Let’s get Mikey Elvis! He’ll eat anything.”

      Reply
    98. 98.

      Expletive Deleted

      January 11, 2023 at 10:07 am

      Chip butties still confuse me after a decade in this land, but yes both the bread and the chip aspects are very different.

      Good chip shop chips are amazing. I also love fries, but they are different foods.

      But ultimately, as my English husband loves to say “best carb is double carb!” – they are also fond of slipping a hashbrown into a burger – or maybe that’s just something that started after I left the states.

      Reply
    99. 99.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 11, 2023 at 10:10 am

      I am offended!  Both literally and figuratively!  Both outside and inside!  Have some god-damned self respect if you are going to eat my brethren and sistern.

      And this comes from a potato who’s now thinking of poutine (never had it) at 9AM!  Also, hash browns! (Mmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!)

      Reply
    100. 100.

      mrmoshpotato

      January 11, 2023 at 10:15 am

      @Elizabelle:

      trailer park cuisine 

      I wanted to see this phrase again. ROFLMAO!

      Reply
    101. 101.

      Expletive Deleted

      January 11, 2023 at 10:16 am

      Also for the record, El Norcal burrito at El Burrito Express on Taraval in San Francisco is the best in the city and has fries in it. Couldn’t let that stand.

      Reply
    102. 102.

      NotMax

      January 11, 2023 at 10:17 am

      @mrmoshpotato

      Real hash browns only, puh-leeze, Prepared with a surfeit of paprika. Not those sorry patties masquerading as hash browns.

      Reply
    103. 103.

      Wapiti

      January 11, 2023 at 10:21 am

      @gene108: There’s an upscale place near us in Seattle which sells a kathi roll as a small plate. I’ve had a similar roll in Mountain View, CA, called a frankie, with a lamb curry. Both were quite nice.

      Some food trucks in Portland have curry rolls; dunno what they called them. I think it’s Indian street food pushing into the Indian “cuisine” space.

      Reply
    104. 104.

      NotMax

      January 11, 2023 at 10:26 am

      @Wapiti

      7-11 here sells manapua (doughy roll with filling) stuffed with egg, Spam and Portuguese sausage. Bring your cardiologist along when purchasing.

      Reply
    105. 105.

      Mike in Pasadena

      January 11, 2023 at 11:08 am

      Someone else doubtless already commented that in Naples, Italy, there is a street food where a hot dog in a bun has french fries sticking out from the sides of the bun like spikes on a porcupine. I did not try it.

      Reply
    106. 106.

      Expletive Deleted

      January 11, 2023 at 11:26 am

      There’s also the London pizza, which is a margherita pizza with chips on it. Despite the name it seems to be a Northern thing.

      Reply
    107. 107.

      MikefromArlington

      January 11, 2023 at 11:43 am

      In Ireland we also have bannana sandwiches and crisp (potato chips).

      Reply
    108. 108.

      Llelldorin

      January 11, 2023 at 11:47 am

      Is a butty really “food culture?”  I’d always thought of it more as a solution to “my ratio of beer to not beer has become unexpectedly catastrophic,” like a poutine in Canada or a midnight diner breakfast in the States.

      Reply
    109. 109.

      Leslie

      January 11, 2023 at 12:27 pm

      @Tony Jay: Grilled cheese sandwiches with tomato are quite good.

       

      @Ruckus:

       

      Now I’ve eaten good fries in the us, In and Out Burgers fries are pretty good.

      I must now look askance at all your food opinions. In and Out fries are the absolute worst. They barely qualify as fries at all. Their shakes are excellent, their burgers so-so (probably not bad as fast food goes, if one knows all the secret menu options to doctor them up), but the fries … no.

      Reply
    110. 110.

      Diceros bicornis

      January 11, 2023 at 2:07 pm

      @Spider-Dan: so much this! What do I miss from home? The incredible variety of world-cuisine. Authentic or not! Food from everywhere! “Good” food is appreciated in France but the cuisine snobbery and lack of adventure when it comes to cuisines that aren’t French is…well I have had exhausting arguments with the French about whether Italians actually understand cheese, for Pete’s sake.

      Now I’m craving a burrito dammit.

      Reply
    111. 111.

      J R in WV

      January 11, 2023 at 3:28 pm

      Bacon, lettuce and tomato in the early spring is great, with the first wave of home grown tomatoes. We started leaving the tomato off the sandwich and putting slices on the plate beside the sandwich, to keep the sandwich from getting too soggy to hold well.

      But nothing is better than a BLT in the summertime, while garden fresh tomatoes are easy to come by.

      We get our bread at a local bakery, run by a lawyer who gave up law in return for making the best bread in 150 miles. Chewy crusts. 6 different types of bread every day.

      Reply
    112. 112.

      J R in WV

      January 11, 2023 at 5:13 pm

      @J R in WV: ​
      last again, drat !!! oh well, must keep up a tradition, what ho~!?!

      .               .         ~);

      Reply

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