The Daily Beast published a breathless cat-fight story about the strained relations between House Republican kooks Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert:
On the first day of Congress this year, Jan. 3, the mounting tension between Greene and Boebert reached its boiling point. According to multiple sources, the two women were nearly in a screaming match in the Speaker’s lobby ladies room just off the House floor…
The first source said Greene was in a stall and, upon coming out, confronted Boebert about taking money from McCarthy for her re-election and then turning against McCarthy when it came time to vote. The Colorado Republican was allegedly unaware that Greene was also in the bathroom at the time.
“That’s when Lauren said, ‘Don’t be ugly,’” the first source said, before she—in the words of this source—“ran out like a little schoolgirl.”
Unfair comment from Boebert; it’s not like Greene can help it. But I don’t blame Boebert for running away. Greene has the face of a Palookaville prize fighter, and while that type is known more for taking punches than landing them, it’s probably wise not to quarrel with Greene in close quarters.
Some tiffs have come to light in the last year, like when Boebert didn’t come to Greene’s defense after the Georgia Republican spoke at a conference hosted by the white nationalist Nicholas Fuentes last spring. The two also reportedly almost came to blows at a House Freedom Caucus meeting around the same time.
By the turn of the new year, it was clear: there was a full-on breakup.
While Boebert always seemed like the more agreeable, less controversial member, it was Greene who began sitting, walking, and working with more establishment Republicans.
Not sure in which parallel universe Boebert is considered “more agreeable” and “less controversial” than anyone else on the planet, but the best line in the DB piece by far goes to Debbie Dingell (D-MI), who witnessed the alleged ladies’ loo throw-down but refused to comment on it:
“What happens in the ladies room stays in the ladies room.”
Quite right, Rep. Dingell.
Open thread.
The Thin Black Duke
How long before these two bimbos are mud wrestling in the House on PPV?
Baud
So Dingell is against unisex restrooms?
NotMax
The more things change…
30 second promo from CBS news in 1980 — link should go directly to timestamp, if not it’s at about 4:42:18 to 4:42:47.
OzarkHillbilly
Finally a thread I can post this in: Pooch portraits: Dog Photography awards – in pictures
Enjoy.
SFAW
@Baud:
Not if she gets to share it with you, especially after you get elected Preznit.
JKC
Would it be wrong to root for injuries in this case?
SFAW
@JKC:
Wrong? Hell, no — it’s the default position, in fact.
mrmoshpotato
@JKC:
Is that a serious question?
Jeffro
Speaking of Republicans behaving badly, here’s one who for some reason thought it was okay to shoot at Democrats. For some reason, this is not on Fox’s home page this morning. Hmm…
And this is on top of one who committed – irony is dead – mass voter fraud.
The “party of law and order” says what now???!?
Jerry
letthemfight.gif
Betty Cracker
@Jeffro: I read about that on another site, and IIRC, officials said there are other cases where Democrats’ houses were shot up that are unrelated to this case. In the same area!
Jackie
Speaking of a cat fight…
https://m.facebook.com/whiskertales/videos/this-cat-and-his-cat-crack-catnip/618930369920434/
EriktheRed
Thanks to all for the get well wishes in the previous thread where I disclosed my Covid diagnosis. I am indeed getting better. My wife is, too.
Now, just have to monitor our adult autistic son’s progress. He’s gotten his appetite back, so…
rikyrah
Good Morning Everyone 😊😊😊
rikyrah
This is SO not our business. Let them fight
OzarkHillbilly
Definitely way too woke to ever be a prosecutor in Florida.
Omnes Omnibus
Does any have a spare anchor I could throw to them?
lowtechcyclist
I think I’ve posted this before wrt these two, here it is again:
Girl Fight Tonight – Julie Brown – YouTube
Jim, Foolish Literalist
She does all that CrossFit. Boebert’s a little wisp of a thing.
trollhattan
As when the Cowboys and Raiders play, one is required to root for injuries. Carry on, gals.
ian
Is this why they want to wear guns in the capitol building?
Raoul Paste
“Stall Brawl”
Ouch
trollhattan
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Boebert’s lean physique clearly from the effort of packin’ all them guns. Guns are heavy, y’all.
Miss Bianca
@lowtechcyclist: That clip remains awesome.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’m surprised Boebert wasn’t packing. We can now add “ladies’ restroom at the Capitol” to the list of places in DC where she doesn’t feel safe enough to venture without her Precious by her side!
Old School
It was just “ladies room talk”.
artem1s
nice front page posting. why don’t rerun some old gossip rag article about Killary’s canckles?
Delete this post please, it’s offensive.
Jeffro
In Jeffro’s fantasy world, where Dems are all on point and on message (and on camera!), today would be “The GQP Encourages Violent Extremism Day”
Lay it out for the snooze media:
Just have at it, all day long. Make the Rs either defend these loons or disavow them.
jonas
Isn’t one of the new rules that you can like open-carry on the House floor now? Or maybe it was just taking down the metal detectors. Anyway, Boehbert’s known for running that restaurant in Colorado where you have to be armed to get in or something. Maybe Greene’s the one who should be watching her mouth. Just sayin’.
lowtechcyclist
@jonas:
Don’t know about open carry, but with the metal detectors gone, there’s not a damn thing to prevent Boebert and others from concealed carrying on the House floor.
CaseyL
MTG wants her committee assignments/chairs; hence, she supports McCarthy. Her first taste of institutional power: a chance to cause real wreckage in the real world, not just rhetorically.
Boebert – I don’t even know what her committee assignments are, or whether she cares about them. So McCarthy doesn’t offer her anything more meaningful than what she already has and does.
zhena gogolia
@EriktheRed: Glad to hear you’re better
Barbara
My understanding is that Boebert’s personal demeanor is more pleasant than Greene’s. It doesn’t make her less crazy, just less personally grating when you have casual interactions with her. It almost seems like Greene has roid rage. For instance, no one has accused Boebert of kicking reporters in the shins and trying to trip them.
horatius
@artem1s: Meh. Not a fan of unilateral disarmament. Gotta him them where it hurts.
raven
@lowtechcyclist: Do you really think these loudmouth morons are really going to shoot someone?
OzarkHillbilly
@Barbara: In case you missed it, I finally saw your question about Bee motels in the Sunday garden thread late that afternoon and put up a couple of links for you.
The Moar You Know
@Barbara: she uses them, so…
OzarkHillbilly
@raven: Well, they might accidentally do so while showing it off, maybe even themselves.
The Moar You Know
@raven: I can see an idiot male congresscritter (won’t be either one of those two) pulling one out. Nobody who’s gotten into that gravy train of a position is going to fuck it up by actually pulling the trigger, though.
Leto
@jonas: was known. She was evicted from that spot (technically their lease was not renewed, but I’m going with eviction), while a Mexican joint took over. Win-win for the community, and one step closer to a taco truck on every corner.
SFAW
@Miss Bianca:
Magazine, please.
schrodingers_cat
All these cosplay Congress critters bore me to death. They need to leave their props at home.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
This is a party that is no longer shy about using violence as a political tool. No surprise sometimes that violence gets turned on each other.
@raven: I expect we’ll at least see a weapon waved during a floor argument. Perhaps going off only accidentally.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: that codger who bought his hairpiece at Trent Lott’s garage sale was ready to throw down with Matt Gaetz, who I bet can’t take a punch
Ken
@The Thin Black Duke: About three days after they realize they can make money from it.
TaMara
@artem1s: Hey, while you’re clutching those pearls, you should take a look at MTG’s twitter feed. Maybe you should ask her to delete her account.
Miss Bianca
@SFAW: lol, oh, dear. We’re not going to engage in an unseemly brawl over terms, are we? :)
Miss Bianca
@TaMara: Is the “Globalist Agenda” related to Jewish Space Lasers, somehow?
And “The Uniparty”? Da fuq is that?
Kay
@Barbara:
Greene is insulated from any accountability-she’s firmly lodged in a safe district. Boebert has to compete, which is why I think it’s interesting she’s throwing her lot in with the furthest Right of the Party. It’s not what I would do if I had barely won by 500 votes but it seems to be her strategy.
Barbara
@OzarkHillbilly: Thanks! NC State has really good resources. I think I read their guidance on carpenter bees (which could be summarized as, “don’t do anything unless your looking at structural damage.”)
Delk
Heh, the janitor could take the day off after MTG wipes the floor with Boebert.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
Ooh, ooh, I can answer that! Pick me!
It’s a term kicking around the MAGAsphere. Their version of “both parties are alike”. It includes Democrats and all Republicans who don’t approve of them. That’s the opposition. One party. The “Uniparty”.
It’s probably been floating around the AM universe a while, but only recently surfaced in forums where sane people can hear it.
Barbara
@Kay: Right, but I think Boebert really is kind of kooky and not as smart as Greene, even if Greene is also aggressive and nasty. Greene has a more normal background for Congress — a college graduate who came from a well-off family that owned its own business. Boebert is a single mother, did not finish high school, and has a sex offender husband. I assume she’ll just ride the crazy wave until it dumps her out somewhere, hopefully in the next election cycle.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Do we know who that was?
Barbara
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: I thought it was Mike Rogers of Alabama, who was seriously angry because I gather that Gaetz was gunning for the gavel on a committee that Rogers has been working towards chairing for his entire congressional career.
Manyakitty
@Kay: after watching the vote for Speaker, I suspect Boebert and Gaetz are more than friends. Super creepy vibes from both of them (moreso than usual lol)
Sanjeevs
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: I expect the ‘Uniparty’ rhetoric will be taken up by the Greenwald/TYT/Intercept crowd.
schrodingers_cat
@Sanjeevs: They may not call it Uniparty but both-sides-are-the same rhetoric is pretty common among the Red Roses.
Kay
@Barbara:
The Boebert family is a mess. I listened to the 911 call to police from her neighbors regarding her husband and sons behavior – just crazily aggressive and hostile towards people who live on their street and were simply asking that their son stop driving some kind of recreational vehicle in a dangerous way with kids and pets in the neighborhood.
Lot going on in that family. They’re all rage monsters.
frosty
@Omnes Omnibus: As a matter of fact, I do! I have eight spare anchors at the moment, left over from a work project ten years ago. I can’t seem to find a marine consignment shop or retailer to take them off my hands and I really don’t want to take them to a scrapyard. Seems like a waste.
They are 25 lb Super Hookers from Tie-Down Industries. Word to the wise: don’t Google Super Hooker on your work computer!
montanareddog
@Kay:
Agree on Boebert. Not so sure about Greene – in a safe R district, the danger is in the primary which is an incentive to go exponential wingnut, not to pivot to the centre
Manyakitty
@Kay: yikes. Sounds a lot like the Palins.
Kay
@Manyakitty:
Gaetz doesn’t have to compete either- he’s lodged in there like a tick. She’s not- she’s vulnerable. I think it’s a dumb move on her part, joining with the R’s who don’t have to compete and are accountable to no one- let’s hope so.
patrick Ii
@lowtechcyclist:
Do the laws of the city of Washington D. C. not apply? Also, wasn’t one of the rioters was charged with carrying a firearm on federal property? Is there some other law excusing congress people? Or are they doing just because there is no one to tell them they can’t?
zhena gogolia
@TaMara: Yeah, all bets are off.
schrodingers_cat
@Kay: Maybe Boebert is a true believer vs. Greene who is an opportunist.
Manyakitty
@Kay: not only that, but she is clearly WAY out of her depth. She’s actually going to get committee assignments. Can’t wait to see how that goes.
SFAW
@Miss Bianca:
Would we have to meet in one of Baud’s unisex bathrooms?
Oops, never mind, I got my memes cross-wired.
SFAW
@Manyakitty:
She’d probably give Gym Jordan a run for his money re: vileness.
Geminid
Bonehead Boebert’s narrow escape last November was interesting in at least two ways. First, it showed that even though generally, the demographics of a state or districts tends to trump candidate quality, Boebert’s proved to be a a limiting case. I think that Scott Tipton, the incumbent she knocked out in the 2020 primary, would have easily beaten Frisch, the Democratic candidate. So would have almost any one of the other Republicans who won last November.
Also, I think Boebert’s narrow win showed that seeing is believing. Boebert’s dubious personal history and vapid sloganeering were obvious weaknesses in 2020, but only if Colorado 3rd CD voters were paying close attention. The voters weren’t, and Boebert won the district by 6 points, same as Trump (redistricting was thought to make the new 3rd even more Republican).
But once in office Boebert got a lot of attention, and not in a good way. The applause she got from Republican activists across the country reinforced her thirst for notoriety, but it almost ended her political career once her district’s voters really got to know her.
Last year, district Democrats made a good showing to be sure, and Colorado’s large cohort of unaffiliated voters flexed their electoral muscle too. But it was Boebert herself who did the most to make the 3rd CD competitive.
Kent
They must be related to the Palin clan.
The Moar You Know
not to members of Congress in the Captitol building.
@patrick Ii: of course there is.
Chief Oshkosh
@SFAW:
All of them, Katie. I read all of them.
Kay
@Manyakitty:
Here’s the 911 call. We actually listened to it in the law office because we’re experts at crazy people causing other people to call 911 and I always like to get a range of reactions.
Consensus? This is a family in crisis :)
Kent
They should settle it with a duel like good traditional southerners. I’m sure they both have plenty of firearms. Put them to good use.
Mike Furlan
Wise choice to walk away.
https://youtu.be/6uq3EwlJWTs
Shalimar
@trollhattan: Rooting for injuries in a Cowboys-Raiders game seems unfairly biased towards the Raiders, who have historically been much better at inflicting injuries
edit: I once lived in an apartment complex owned by Ben Davidson, who first became famous for a massive hit on Joe Namath in 1967.
oatler
@schrodingers_cat:
To them, “Pajama Boy”s red onesie in the ACA ad was the Blood Moon predicting One…Worrrld…
WereBear
@The Thin Black Duke: How they should have gotten a Speaker.
Manyakitty
@SFAW: He is just so so gross. I sincerely hope all the Democrats treat their subpoenas from old Gym “shirtsleeves” Jordan with the same regard he treated theirs.
Sadly, there is no winning with these people. Pay attention to them and they’ll move the goalposts, ignore them and they’ll scream until they get wall-to-wall coverage by the worthless stenographers at NYT, etc. Had to turn off the TV just now because I couldn’t stand another minute of Peter Baker bothsidesing as fast as his little mouth would carry him.
Kay
@Kent:
It’s just not the kind of neighborhood where one can allow preteens to race around in dumb expensive toys. Why did they buy there? If they were out in the country no one would even know how poorly behaved their children are. So the neighborhood has to change just because they moved in?
The belligerence of conservatives always kills me. Why must they bother other people constantly? Go live out where you can act like maniacs. Stop bothering us and demanding attention.
SiubhanDuinne
@Manyakitty:
That was exactly what I thought too!
Manyakitty
@Kay: holy cow. What a mess.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@rikyrah: Yes, this is perhaps in the not-our-monkeys category
WereBear
@The Moar You Know: I saw a picture of her this morning, and said to myself, “She’s juicing.”
Thank you for confirmation.
cain
@The Thin Black Duke: Actually, I was expecting to get into a shooting match.
Kay
@Manyakitty:
I feel like it’s something that could do real damage to her in a House district. The people calling have real contempt for her and her husband.
Manyakitty
@Kay: Mostly, I feel bad for the kids.
Kay
@Manyakitty:
The boy is already mean though. It never would have escalated if the boy had been polite when the neighbor asked him to stop speeding around. Nothing is going to reverse that. It’s a kind of entitlement- he gets to speed thru that neighborhhod because it is his RIGHT. That’s what they’re teaching him.
Manyakitty
@Kay: and we’re left to deal with a generation of those severely damaged people. How do we overcome it?
delphinium
@Barbara: Yes, it was Mike Rogers, who stated he would step down from his Steering Committee role after the altercation with Gaetz but apparently changed his mind will still be on it.
brendancalling
Both of those turds should have been flushed a long time ago.
brendancalling
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Empty Green could easily pick up Boobert, hold her over her head Andre the Giant style, and body slam her to the House floor.
My bet is that Green would then climb to the balcony and do a Jimmy Snuka Splash and finish her off. Unless, of course, Boobert tagged out and Paul Grossass hit Empty Green with a chair.
laura
@artem1s: it does not offend me in the least. If these two skanks are going full high school girl’s bathroom in the People’s House, it merely reinforces my low opinion of the both of them. Also, too, Jullie Brown👏.
Kay
@Manyakitty:
I don’t know. I live in a 70% Trump area though and I feel as if this white working class anger and resentment is just destroying their boys. They have to stop telling them they’re being cheated, that the “other” is taking from them. It’s not good for the country but it’s also not good for their boys and young men. They’re a mess. The problem is real. Young white rural men are a fucking disaster. But telling them it’s the fault of immigrants or women or liberals is just making it worse. It’s not true that they don’t have opportunity. Yes, they do. Will they be millionaires or social media influencers? No, probably not. They’ll just be regular people, humping and surviving like millions of others. That seems hard enough for them to achieve. Aim low. Get them to speak to people decently. Start there.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Vern Buchanan is not happy about having been bumped out of the Ways and Means chair
Interestingly specific denial
Manyakitty
@Kay: it’s a step. Fortunately, I’m in a blue area outside Akron, but even the boys around here act aggrieved and entitled. And let’s not even start talking about the middle aged white men. They get so mad when I call them living stereotypes, but that’s the nicest way I can imagine to describe them. What a bunch of weak little babies.
lowtechcyclist
@patrick Ii:
Oh sure, they apply. But this is concealed carry and no metal detectors. The law can’t do anything about what the law doesn’t know about.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: Boebert’s husband made almost a million bucks [WaPo] in two years from energy sector consulting (while LB advanced bills favorable to that industry — just a coincidence!), so they should have enough money to buy a compound where they can act like deranged baboons without bothering the neighbors. It’s a choice. Hopefully their antics will inspire the district to toss her out in ’24.
Mike in NC
Cannot wait until the State of the Union address and whatever embarrassing theatrics Republicans will come up with. Maybe Empty Greene will douse herself in gasoline and strike a match.
mrmoshpotato
What’s with the hating on baboons? :)
delphinium
@brendancalling:
Yeah, I know we can’t do anything about the quality of reps elected to state level seats but it would be nice if we could raise the bar a bit higher for anyone seeking a federal office. Their lack of knowledge/experience and poor behavior would bar them from getting a job or keeping it in a lot of other occupations.
Chief Oshkosh
@Betty Cracker: I’ve only been there a couple of times, but Rifle, CO seemed like a real good place to end up getting shot for being an asshole.
apocalipstick
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Worse, the new chair of the W&M committee is probably my useless representative, Jason Smith. Man makes Matt Gaetz look like a towering statesman.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Senator Main–Character networking with a couple of Republican retirees at a fancy party
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
We call it “5 acres and a pond”. The pond if because they’re too far out for municipal/county fire so they dig a pond to get the house insured. If it burns they can pump from the pond.
Buy one of those and no one has to know you don’t know how to act in public. It’s really getting bad though- they can’t go to school meetings, Bds of elections, any kind of public space without causing some big ruckus. Doesn’t it suck, fighting with people all the time? Screaming about books in schools, stalking drag queens, just fucking BOTHERING others all day, every day.
Manyakitty
@Kay: because their own lives are so small and meaningless.
Betty Cracker
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Wow, that is surprising! Buchanan used to be my rep, and though he’s definitely a crook, he wasn’t a kook. I’ve seen him keep his cool while being heckled by scads of angry constituents whose healthcare he was trying to strip away. Looks like they’ve all gone feral.
narya
@Manyakitty: And THAT is one of the worst things about the intertubes social media influencer blah-blah. My life is small and meaningless; so what? It’s incumbent upon me to live by the golden rule as best I can, to be kind, to help others as I am able, etc. But “social media” have taught us to be dissatisfied by that.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Betty Cracker: speculation in that article at Puck (oy, the names these start-ups come up with) that he’ll retire out of spite. I gather he’s in a pretty red district, but even with De Santis pushing a special election through I imagine that would mean a couple of tense weeks for the Squeaker (not that I’m betting on VB’s spite)
Kay
@Manyakitty:
Unfortunately Lefties feed into this victimization complex too. Constantly telling them there is no opportunity and they’re all making the federal minimum wage is just not true. My 19 year old is a Lefty and HE was telling me wages are pegged to the federal minimum wage. No, they are not. He knows this because he made 20 bucks an hour as an unskilled operator at a manufacturing plant here this summer. It wasn’t “rewarding”, so there’s a shocker.
They can make 40k out of high school here. It takes about 5 years. A grind. The jobs are hard and dirty and not at all rewarding, but working at Champion Spark Plug in 1972 was also hard and dirty and not at all rewarding. Lefties have romanticized some imagined American working class bliss that never existed and between them and Righties they are creating a whole generation of angry, whiny young bigots. Not helping. I love boys. I have three. I’m pulling for them. But they have to get over themselves.
Princess
As someone on twitter said, leadership fights leave much longer and deeper scars than fights over policy. This stuff remains personal and it festers.
So sad. Anyone got more popcorn?
Manyakitty
@narya: yeah, it used to be okay to lead a quiet life. Social media has not helped.
WaterGirl
@Kay: Do the most damage you can, while you can?
JPL
@OzarkHillbilly: Awesome!
Manyakitty
@Kay: Fair. And there is definitely blame to go around. I despair if YOUR son falls victim to the nonsense, though. Who else can we count on to know better?
piratedan
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I kind of suspect that some of these guys will NOT be good soldati and just soldier on with nary an axe to grind. Doesn’t mean that they will be an ally to the Dems, but I do expect some enemy of my enemy scenarios to play out here because I’m sure that those Reps being on the receiving end of the McCarthy maneuvering didn’t expect their faces to be eaten by leopards.
matt
Odds are both of them are packin heat.
WaterGirl
@Manyakitty: More than friends? She does look young.
Jackie
Things might get fun (for us!)
Per Political Wire:
“Donald Trump told David Brodythat “we’ll handle that” if Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) challenges him for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination.
Said Trump: “So, now I hear he might want to run against me. So, we’ll handle that the way I handle things.””
Your move, DeSantis.
Betty Cracker
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: We’ll see. Buchanan has more money than God (car dealerships), so I assumed he was in Congress to focus on deregulation and plutocratic tax policy. He’ll throw out culture war red meat when required, but not all that convincingly. I can see where losing chairmanship of that committee might be enough to make him spite-quit.
delphinium
@Kay:
I still remember reading about a 2021 incident in Florida where an anti-mask father in Florida, who had been filming high school kids and causing a disturbance, who then pushed and assaulted a high school girl who didn’t want to be filmed. Just crazy that we cannot depend on adults to act like adults and that they now feel assaulting kids it is totally acceptable.
WaterGirl
@Betty Cracker: I think it’s because the Squeaker broke all the sacred rules of seniority. This guy probably played by all the rules and he got fucked. I would be pissed, too
I’m hoping that some of the Reps who get screwed by Squeaker’s deals decide to resign. That would give us opportunities for picking up House seats.
zhena gogolia
@OzarkHillbilly: Those are great, and so are the Gina Lollobrigida pictures it leads to.
rikyrah
@Kay:
I know that’s truth
rikyrah
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Still not our problem…LOL
Betty Cracker
@WaterGirl: Yep! Probably not in Buchanan’s district, which is deep red, but maybe elsewhere!
Citizen Alan
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
I see. Sort of like ralternators term Republicrat. Except even more ignorant.
ian
@WaterGirl: Leopards, faces, and people who never thought it would happen to them…
WaterGirl
@OzarkHillbilly: Such a great link, thank you! You have posted several great photography links lately. :-)
Geminid
@WaterGirl: Or they might retire after this Congress. Some purple district seats would be more winnable by Democrats if there is not a Republican incumbent.
Manyakitty
@WaterGirl: yep. It felt impossible to miss if you watch them together. She kept looking adoringly at him. He’s totally going to use her up and leave her by the side of the road when he’s done. Gag.
Citizen Alan
@Kay:
It is entirely possible that she simply doesn’t care about electoral consequences because she is a true believer. Even if she gets voted out in 2024, every day she is in the house is a day that she can undermine the deep state or hurt all the people that the Jesus in her head tells her to hate or whatever. I still firmly believe that she was actively involved in 1/6 in the sense of guiding insurrectionists around the capital so they would know where everyone’s offices were. Oh, I’m tweeting out Nancy Pelosi’s location at all times.
Bill Arnold
@rikyrah:
Sure, but the new Ways and Means chairman, Jason Smith, is a loony partisan MAGA propagandist. I get his constituent emails (accidental; I have the good gmail address associated with my nym) and they are full of MAGA lies. Not sure he knows that they are lies. Current kick is inflation. Perhaps it is dawning on Rs that inflation has been like 2 percent month over month (-0.1 percent in December) for the last 6 months and that this will show up in the headline yearly numbers in another 6 months.
Geminid
@Citizen Alan: The favored term on the left is “the duopoly.” I used to read the comments on the lefty rag Common Dreams, and they were all “the duopoly” this and “the duopoly” that.
Citizen Alan
@Kay: Part of the reason I got out of teaching after 3 years is that it was too depressing for this very reason. Every parent teacher conference involving a Troubled student included parents who either didn’t care at all about their children’s conduct or else promised to paddle them harder at home. Which, of course, was perfectly legal. I couldn’t bear the thought of 30 years watching kids who never had a chance from the moment they were born to a set of parents who never had a chance when they were born 40 years earlier.
Citizen Alan
@mrmoshpotato: I imagine your feelings about baboons might change if they live next door to you. Or represented you in Congress.
trollhattan
@TaMara: “God will not let evil go unpunished.”
Greene’s posting this instantly disproves her assertion. She’s the evil; we’re the punished.
Citizen Alan
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I still stand by my belief that she’s still a Green at heart, and is eager to work with republicans to destroy the Democratic Part
trollhattan
@Geminid: “Duopoly” Am imagining two Boardwalks, two Water Works and two Mediterranean Aves on the same game board. Chaos!
StringOnAStick
@Kay: Yeah, a family in crisis due to a lot of change in the family situation since Boebert took office. For one, her hubby (the convicted sex offender who likes to show his wang to underage girls at the local bowling alley) went from being a low level oil & gas worker to suddenly making mid 6 figures, so you know the family has been “adopted” by the O&G crowd for some reason. Rifle, where the bowling alley and the defunct Shooters Grill is located, is a boom and bust O&G town, so having a local rep be connected to the underhanded side of that industry is so damned obvious. That big increase in family fortunes has probably led to the kind of buying you see when a similar person wins big at Lotto, like ATV’s, more guns, etc, so lots of bad behavior showing off the new toys in the neighborhood.
Boebert is also of a type that is always looking to leverage her latest gig into something bigger, but too stupid to realize that without the Congressional seat, she’s pretty much worthless to the ones who are goading her on and showering her with attention right now. That district got redrawn and has some more blue areas in it now, that’s how Frisch got within approximately 500 votes. One of Balloon Juice’s own just moved into that district, so there’s a few more D votes. Demographics can change an area, and Frisch immediately filed to run again so he’s in it to win next time. All Boebert is focused on is the immediate right now with the attention she’s getting, not unlike her brief career as a unsuccessful high school student.
I grew up in Grand Junction and worked in Rifle sometimes doing environmental work. Rifle wasn’t this crazy in the 1980’s but it wasn’t sane either. It’s just one more place where the rise of hate radio and hate media in general has turned it into an ungovernable tribal region of Talibangelicals and gun nuts. Grand Junction does have a lot of D’s, just not as many as the R’s, yet.
JPL
@TaMara: God’s an American? hmm
Citizen Alan
@Citizen Alan: I swear that said Ralph Nader when I hit enter
chopper
funny enough, both of those ladies are crazier’n a shithouse rat
StringOnAStick
@Betty Cracker: There’s lots of land available for ranchettes around Rifle, some of it nice stuff with aspens up on the flanks of the Grand Mesa or cheaper stuff lower down, but there’s LOTS of it available. They probably bought there because it’s the fancy ‘hood and Lauren wanted to be fancy since she’s moving up in the world. It’s also likely that they enjoy letting their feral kids upset the fancy neighbors, because resentment seems to be a core value with these jackasses.
rikyrah
@Kay:
White lefties.
But, they do long for the time where all you had to be was White, and you could hook up into a middle-class lifestyle and not even have any education.
mrmoshpotato
@Citizen Alan:
So – do either of these mean girl brats “represent” you in Congress, or do you live next to a zoo’s baboon house?
StringOnAStick
@rikyrah: All media really pumps out lifestyle aspirations that are simply unattainable for even middle class people. It does a great job of building that same kind of resentment.
Burnspbesq
@artem1s:
To whom?
The Thin Black Duke
I’m not going to feel sorry for whiny, pissed-off entitled white boys who will either hurt or kill me because I happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
mrmoshpotato
@Burnspbesq: artem1s’s fainting couch must be at the cleaners.
Geminid
@trollhattan: It made me think of the DooWopoly, where no matter what radio station I tune in there’s nothing but 50’s male harmony singing.
Poe Larity
Would it be unethical to start an ActBlue for Boebert/Greene for GQP POTUS 2024?
Kelly
I live at the end of a 1/2 mile gravel rural road. No, I do not want to listen to or smell any poorly muffled stinking two stroke toys zoom around my neighborhood. I really don’t want wheels spinning ruts in my gravel road which I maintain mostly with a shovel and a rake. It’s not a bad job if everyone behaves. Four times in the last 20 years or so I’ve had to discourage new neighbors from this behavior. The discussions have never grown worst than grumpy. Worst cases have been settled with my suggestion that I have the county sheriff send someone out to discuss not street legal toys on a public road. Never actually had to call the sheriff.
delphinium
@trollhattan: LOL!
rikyrah
@StringOnAStick:
I say White,because I mean White. I just don’t know anyone Black who grew up with a sense that we were ‘ entitled’ to a lifestyle. We were always told that you had to go get an education to even have a chance at getting an opportunity, but nothing is guaranteed. If we have a disconnect with the younger crowd of our group, they are like, ‘ we don’t see the point’. and the Elders are like, ‘ ok, then find your own way to put food on your table’. But, that socialism, anti-capitalism bullshyt, take it somewhere else, because you live in the United States of America. Get phucking real.
rikyrah
@The Thin Black Duke:
I know that’s right.
mrmoshpotato
@trollhattan: Go directly to both jails!
Citizen Alan
@mrmoshpotato: Neither, but I am represented by Trent Kelly who has many baboon like qualities.
Kay
@StringOnAStick:
One of the sad parts about living in Ohio is it’s kind of stuck. So in a place like Colorado there’s growth and so demographics change and politics change- it’s alive.
Ours just gets more and more entrenched wingnutty. No new blood. I used to love state politics but it’s just a bore now- which rabid far Right law will they float this week, which bullshit culture war will they start. It’s not even interesting politically.
Outside groups are starting initiatives to put womens autonomy and freedom and the ballot in Ohio which would be right up my alley but I can’t help but think it’s futile. We won redistricting reform. Republicans simply ignored the rules – broke all of them- and the cowardly and useless Ohio Supreme Court couldn’t figure out how to enforce their own orders. Weaklings.
If we pass a protection for womens civil rights by referendum won’t Republicans just ignore it and our cowardly and inneffective state judges will hide under the bench again? I have to move to Michigan. Ohio is no longer a functioning democratic state. It’s sad but it’s true.
Kent
I don’t think they do. Not on the grounds of Congress. They would, of course, if these to were out somewhere else in DC having a fight.
Kent
I’ve been in public school teaching for 15 years now (second career). For many many kids the public schools are the only safe space in their lives and the only place they get a reliable square meal and find people who care about them.
For me that is a reason to double-down and support the public schools, not abandon them. No criticism of you here, I’m just expressing one reason why I stick it out when there are easier ways to make a living.
The best teachers (and I’m probably not one of the very best) know how to get the best out of all their students without dealing with their parents.
The Thin Black Duke
@rikyrah: No Lie Told. In White America, black people don’t have the luxury of being mediocre.
Kay
@The Thin Black Duke:
I don’t think you have to feel sorry for them but I do think you have to pay attention to the fact that they’re collapsing – maybe a whole generation- because that has repercussions for everyone.
Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan drumming up resentment of women and racial and ethnic and religious minorities is just not going to help white working class boys and young men. It isn’t good for them, it isn’t working for them, let alone all the harm it does to the country.
I mean, really? This is who the Right wants as role models for young men? Some sleazy sex trafficker who brags about trading womens bodies to make a living for himself? They’re really wondering WTF is happening to their boys? This is mystery? It’s not the fault of the blue haired social justice 22 year old. She didn’t do this. They need to lok at this toxic fucking hateful culture they have created and raised these boys in.
They’re promoting a sleazy sex trafficker as a role model for young men and the threat is drag queens?
Clean up your own side the street. Figure out why you’re ruining yur boys, white working class. Get to it. Stop blaming everyone else.
StringOnAStick
@rikyrah: I agree it’s a white problem. I have a friend who has mixed race kids, and the son, who is never going to pass as white sure as hell acts like a white kid with all the entitlement that entails; he grew up with never a want unmet and strong pressure to perform in his mostly white school. His biggest political hero is the Saint of VT, and he’s on his way to law school with a future planned in politics on either the public or staff side; he is hoping he can get our in time to go work for him. His sister is much more realistic about what it takes to make it as a black girl and works hard, without any of the privilege crap her brother absorbed hook, line and sinker from his white high school bros.
StringOnAStick
@rikyrah: I agree it’s a white problem. I have a friend who has mixed race kids, and the son, who is never going to pass as white sure as hell acts like a white kid with all the entitlement that entails; he grew up with never a want unmet and strong pressure to perform in his mostly white school. His biggest political hero is the Saint of VT, and he’s on his way to law school with a future planned in politics on either the public or staff side; he is hoping he can get our in time to go work for him. His sister is much more realistic about what it takes to make it as a black girl and works hard, without any of the privilege crap her brother absorbed hook, line and sinker from his white high school bros.
StringOnAStick
@Kay: Unfortunately, parts of Colorado are just as you describe Ohio, the rural parts obviously. The major cities are dynamic, pretty much all of the area north and south of the Denver metro area are booming. Once you hit the rural areas, it’s the same sad story as Ohio. A lot of Boebert’s district is rural and the biggest city, Grand Junction, has been a boom and bust town since I was born there, first uranium mining and then oil shale, oil and gas. I grew up associated with those industries either through family or doing environmental work before I moved away; so many in those fields would rather scrape by while waiting for the next boom than retrain to do something else. Aspen is now included in Boebert’s district and if so many of the homes there weren’t owned by people who mostly live and vote somewhere else, she would have lost. She’s never going to lose the hardcore R’s of the rural parts of her district since she’s exactly what they want; I hope there are enough people who aren’t like that to get rid of her next time. It pains me to see my strong D friends there have to have such an awful joke of a Congresswoman.
2liberal
I, of course, am disappointed to get pages of boat anchors when trying this.
The Thin Black Duke
@Kay: I understand what you’re saying, Kay, but my point is that while this lost generation of angry young white men is trying to figure out their shit, everybody else who isn’t them is at risk because of them. They’re the ones shooting up the schools, harassing the LGBTQ community, painting swatiskas on synagogues and sending dick pics to women at online forums. How are the rest of us going to stay safe in the meantime?
catclub
mastermind should be in scare quotes.
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
@The Thin Black Duke: The problem seems particularly intractable given that they are actively rejecting help from the only people remotely interested in giving it. There’s not a single Dem initiative that they would be on board with. These disaffected kids’ earliest memory would be of their parents doing this to PBO.
I’d love for them to realize the reality of their situation, but they’ve made it clear that we cannot be the ones to tell them.
Kay
@The Thin Black Duke:
I think you shoud have a say in what the problem is and what we do about it, like everyone else. Obviously you need a short term safety plan too, but there’s no reason you can’t contemplate root causes and what isn’t working.
I’m close to retiring so I won’t be talking to as many of them anymore, which is good because I am out of patience. Their foolish get rich quick sucker move of spending their meager funds on ridiculous digital money schemes really drove me over the edge. Fuckig bitcoin or whatever the dopes were buying. They all got slaughtered. The people they admire are harming them. I don’t know why they don’t have ordinary self preservation instincts.
Barbara
@Kay: It’s hard to generalize and there are many young white guys who are not like this, but at bottom, I think the main problem is that they identify with the people they want to be like, to the point of thinking that they are actually in the club, rather than accepting that they actually have much more in common with every other working class person, regardless of ethnic identity or gender. Investing your money with some white guy who wears a t-shirt that says “Banks are not your friend” makes you think that you, unlike your pitiful co-workers, have escaped the perfidy of unfair banking practices and fees. I have no idea who they are going to blame when the money disappears.
raven
In the dark ages my old man would put 16oz gloves on kids who wanted to fight and make them go until one quit.
Manyakitty
@The Thin Black Duke: super good question.
NotMax
@frosty
Best episode of Super Friends ever.
:)
rikyrah
@Kay:
To this day, it reeked SCAM from the beginning. Just reeked it. I don’t know why it wasn’t obvious to them.
MikefromArlington
imagine having to wake up to that smelly animal MTG every day.