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This year has been the longest three days of putin’s life.

It’s a doggy dog world.

In my day, never was longer.

Their freedom requires your slavery.

‘Museums aren’t America’s attic for its racist shit.’

The poor and middle-class pay taxes, the rich pay accountants, the wealthy pay politicians.

President Biden is doing good where he can, and getting it done.

We need to vote them all out and restore sane Democratic government.

Hot air and ill-informed banter

I did not have this on my fuck 2024 bingo card.

Second rate reporter says what?

Battle won, war still ongoing.

Some judge needs to shut this circus down soon.

Damn right I heard that as a threat.

Republican speaker of the house Mike Johnson is the bland and smiling face of evil.

Republicans in disarray!

Wow, you are pre-disappointed. How surprising.

It could be worse. Vance could have said “post-menopausal sows.” Waiting for that audiotape to surface.

… gradually, and then suddenly.

Nothing says ‘pro-life’ like letting children go hungry.

Too often we confuse noise with substance. too often we confuse setbacks with defeat.

Come on, man.

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  2. 2.

    eclare

    So far pretty quiet night in Memphis, haven’t heard of any protest related violence.  Protestors did shut down the I-55 bridge over the Mississippi for a few hours, but then they left and marched downtown.

    I will not watch the video, but a friend who did said besides the five monsters beating Tyre, there were many more standing around.  Memphis Fire is investigating two, and the Sheriff is investigating two.  Both said they did not get video til today.

  3. 3.

    Montanareddog

    I had no idea who the woman talking to Jimmy Fallon about monkey pictures was, until I read the tweet’s replies. Apparently, it is Paris Hilton. Lordy, Luke, the vocal fry is strong in that one

    I find it unfathomable that ordinary folk could be interested in such a person.

  4. 4.

    mrmoshpotato

    That said it’s not too late for every celebrity who took money to publicly pretend to just be an enthusiastic crypto/NFT geek to go directly to jail

    I wouldn’t bat an eye if Matt Damon and Jimmy Fallon were charged.

    Oh, and Jimmy Fallon can still go fuck himself.

  5. 5.

    eclare

    @mrmoshpotato:   I do not get Fallon’s appeal *at all.*  There is something about the way he speaks, his affect, that creeps me out.  And most importantly, he’s not funny.  YMMV.

  6. 6.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Montanareddog:

    I had no idea who the woman talking to Jimmy Fallon about monkey pictures was, until I read the tweet’s replies. Apparently, it is Paris Hilton.

    Like, oh my Gawd, I never knew she was a crypto expert!  Like!  Totally!

    “Is she famous because her daddy owns hotels?”

    -DL Hughley on Paris Hilton

  8. 8.

    steve g

    First tweet: “no one is trying to shut down the dumb fiat system you use”

    Hello, have you heard about the new GOP House and Speaker McCarthy and the debt limit?

  9. 9.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    IDK anyone who was dumb enough to “invest” in NTF was begging to be ripped off because it was such an obvious scam at the time.

    FTX creative bookkeeping with their investors is a bigger argument that the SEC was asleep on the job.  Then again, investing in FTX was basically an act of “that Face Eaten Leopard won’t eat my face”, from what I’ve seen, the guys running FTX had to do crypto because Wall Street didn’t trust them.

  10. 10.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @eclare: i have a hard time watching these  clips. I’ve watched a few seconds of this one but not the whole thing. Some commentator said that there’s got to be some personal back story to this beating, that its not just a cop getting momentarily pissed off at somebody who’s done something awful and now isn’t following instructions during the arrest.

  12. 12.

    hervevillechaizelounge

    @eclare:

    I watched the Tyre video but I wish I didn’t.

    Random question: what if the exact same scenario happened and the victim was a white man executed by black officers? Would the blue line enthusiasts still insist the victim was at fault?

    I suppose what I’m wondering is whether rightwingers’ hatred of POC would surpass their belief in copaganda. Since nothing trumps their hatred of POC, I guess whiteness would prevail.

    I suppose Fox would then insist all black folks are unfit for the police force, as they’re clearly biased against whites.

  13. 13.

    DMcK

    Calling something “incredibly cringe” is pretty goddamn cringe-inducing coming from the keyboard of an ostensible adult. Seriously, I’d actually more or less agree with wee Hayden’s admonishment to “chill” as I share P.T. Barnum’s affection for the vigorous fleecing of suckers, were it not for the catastrophic environmental costs exacted by those fucking blockchain servers.

  14. 14.

    Martin

    The video is rough. Worse than Rodney King. Objectively so because King lived, but subjectively so as well. I don’t know how people of color aren’t constantly losing their shit.

  15. 15.

    Amir Khalid

    People rooting for crypto to be shut down are incredibly cringe.

    This sentence is so transcendently absurd, I just had to look at it again. Fiat currency is what a cryptocurrency wants to be when it grows up. Cryptocurrencies, unlike fiat currencies, require vast computing resources and use up huge quantities of electricity to operate at all. Cryptocurrencies are nowhere near as easily exchanged nor as reliable at storing value as an old-fashioned fiat currency. Cryptocurrencies too easily get co-opted by shady or outright criminal enterprises as an untraceable money substitute. Bitcoin and its ilk are not a better kind of money than fiat money, and in some ways they are clearly worse.

  16. 16.

    Balconesfault

    Now just imagine how much better off America would be had the GOP dream of letting people invest their Social Security dollars however they want come true.

  17. 17.

    eclare

    @Mai Naem mobile:   I saw that on Twitter, that there was a personal grievance over a woman, but until I see a more reliable source, I don’t put much stock in it.

    A local station interviewed a guy who had been going to buy a pizza and was apprehended by this same SCORPION group.  He said they threatened him, held a gun to his head, said they found drugs, etc.  Guy finally said the magic word “lawyer”, and they let him go.  He said he called Internal Affairs twice, and he showed his phone, but when asked by the news MPD had no comment.

  21. 21.

    opiejeanne

    I didn’t recognize Paris until I read the comments, and then I still didn’t recognize her.

    What a pair of vapid ninnies.

  22. 22.

    Aussie Sheila

    Maybe someone should shut down the Memphis police until we figure out what is going on?

    Seriously, I won’t watch police snuff videos on principle, but I have read the descriptions of what went down. These coppers are not ‘one offs’. There is an expectation of impunity here since their body cams were on and they knew that.

    Apart from what needs to happen to the police actively involved, the emergency service workers who looked on should be charged with manslaughter for not intervening, and the Police Chief should be relieved of duty for neglecting good order and discipline.
    Christ how many more police murders must vulnerable communities endure?

    US policing is severely dysfunctional at one level-at another level it probably is working as designed.

    Truly terrible for his family and my heart just broke when I read he called for his mother. Just simply unacceptable in any civilised society.

  23. 23.

    Joey Maloney

    “I don’t belong to any civilized society. I’m an American.” with apologies to Will Rogers.

  25. 25.

    Aussie Sheila

    As for crypto, get back to me when the US government accepts crypto tax payments in lieu of dollars and the international banking system recognises it as a means of international exchange. Absolute wankers.

    How much more idiocy must the world endure at the hands of these tech bros and their collective Dunning Kruger syndrome? I am suddenly very tired and impatient with the rank ignorance of it all. Shut it down. It has as much relevance as any other form of gambling as a store of ‘value’. In other words-none whatsoever.

  26. 26.

    bjacques

    @twbrandt (formerly tom): <grumble grumble> why is it always Tulipmania, which was just a blip in the history of financial bubbles? The Triple Bubble of 1720 was bigger and it came with cartoons that were funnier and, frankly, more relatable. It doesn’t get more apposite than a guy swallowing gold coins and crapping out stock shares eagerly grasped by a crowd of punters. (Google “1720” and “Mirror Of Folly” and you’ll find it.)

    Has our very own Tom Levenson labored in vain?

  27. 27.

    NotMax

    Once more, under flash flood warning Currently in effect until around 4 a.m., three hours from now. In all likelihood will be extended, judging from sounds outdoors.

    Also chilly (for here). 50s in this neck o’ the woods Could even make a brush with the high 40s before sunup. Enough to Swiffer accumulated pesky dust from the upward facing vents of the space heater and switch it on.

    Hawaiian Electric will be ecstatic.

  28. 28.

    Citizen Alan

    @DMcK:  Very few things in this world fill me with as much disgust as people who use the word cringe as an adjective or noun.

  33. 33.

    matt

    Continuing the streak of people who are wrong using the word ‘cringe’ in place of an argument.

  34. 34.

    Barbara

    The response ratio to the original tweet shows that the bubble has a ways to go before it pops.

    The gist of his tweet: We’re not making you buy crypto but we want you to stop talking it down so we can keep making money (like actual money) from clueless marks.

  36. 36.

    lowtechcyclist

    no one is forcing you to buy crypto, no one is forcing you to read crypto news or follow crypto twitter.

    No one is forcing me to invest in a Ponzi scheme, but they’re still illegal. Can’t see why crypto should be any different.

  37. 37.

    Barbara

    @lowtechcyclist: ​They can’t acknowledge that crypto currency only increases in value if new people invest. That’s not true for other types of assets, including fiat money.

  38. 38.

    David ⛄ 🎅The Establishment🎄 🦌 🕎 Koch

    People rooting for crypto  Meth to be shut down are incredibly cringe.

    Like no one is trying to shut down the dumb fiat cigarette system you use, no one is forcing you to buy crypt Meth, no one is forcing you to read crypto Meth news or follow crypto Meth twitter.

    Let people do what they want and chill…

  44. 44.

    Baud

    Libertarians love to cling to the idea that purely private transactions don’t hurt anyone else. But the national economy works because money flows through it. If you have enough people diverting their money into unsustainable debt, inflated assets, and fraudulent schemes, the economic ripples hurt innocent people.

  47. 47.

    Anne Laurie

    @NotMax: Distant relation Ouagadougou is pretty cool, though.

    When the country previously known as Upper Volta first changed its name, I was working at the Africana library for a midwestern university.  One of my co-workers had just done a Peace Corps stint there, so I could not resist asking him if the newly christened bi-lingual ‘Country of Upright Men’ was as susceptible to mildly pornagraphic humor as its English translation.  He said that ‘fortunately’ not that many Burkinabe spoke English… although the implications weren’t much different in the official national language (French)…

    This may be why the official translation is now ‘the Country of Honest People’.

  50. 50.

    JPL

    @eclare: I glad that Memphis’ protests were peaceful, and I do hope that it stays that way.   Atlanta had a small peaceful protest and there is going to be another one today.   I did see a few minutes of the video and listened to more, and it’s haunting.  At one point there are ten people just mulling around.   Tyre falls over they pick him back up over and over.

  52. 52.

    topclimber

    @Baud: Maybe you should go for Secy of Treasury BAUDXX? Might not be much competition for the job in 2024 if the GQP Borks the national debt.

  54. 54.

    RSA

    On a noun being used as an adjective (“cringe”), I see a lot of people using a past tense verb as an adjective (“woke”).  For me they’re in the same category–they sound off.  Some slang survives long enough to sound natural, though, so I’ll just wait.

  57. 57.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Anne Laurie: Your remark made me curious what the unfortunate translation in French might be. I searched “what does Burkina Faso mean” in French and am none the wiser. Found this article though which has a couple interesting linguistic facts. You should never say “The Republic of Burkina Faso” but “the Burkina Faso” because “Faso” carries the idea of country. And male, female and plural residents all be referred to by the word Burkinabè with the same ending (for most nationalities in French the endings would all be different) because that ending comes from the Fulfulde language.

  58. 58.

    Bupalos

    @Princess: they are there to protect  the status quo that gives them relative power and status over others. Since the status quo is still thoroughly bound up with white supremacy, they are frequent defenders of white supremacy. Reform of this reality will have to happen mostly in the broader cultural sphere.

    They are even more vigorous defenders of wealth supremacy.

  59. 59.

    SFAW

    @RSA: ​

    I’d be OK with persons who use “woke” as a pejorative being sentenced to prison for ten or more years. Starting with Ron DeathSantis.
    Although I share your (and everyone else’s distaste for “cringe,” I think it should currently be a misdemeanor, not a felony, because the underlying sentiment is — to me, at least — much more benign.
    On the other hand, I’d like to see DeathSantis sentenced to ten or more years for jaywalking, so maybe I’m not objective.

  61. 61.

    SFAW

    @eclare: ​
     
    I’m agnostic re: Fallon, mainly because I never watch/see him.

    Seth Meyers, on the other hand — the clips I’ve watched leave me confused. His facial expressions indicate to me that the (extremely valid) topical/political points he makes in his three-minute bits are supposed to be laugh-inducing. But I have yet to laugh, or even smile wryly, at any of his bits. Maybe I just haven’t watched enough of them. Maybe I’m just not hip enough. [OK, I freely admit to being “not hip.”]

  63. 63.

    NotMax

    @SFAW

    Some of us are of (or close enough to) a generation doddering enough to have undergone more than a few non-invasive hip replacements.

    ;)

  64. 64.

    The Quiet One

    @Mai Naem mobile:

     

    @Mai Naem mobile: The moment of truth for a POC is the command ‘get out of the vehicle’ Imagine a shady traffic stop then being commanded to get out of your car by someone you truly are scared of. Cops react badly to even the smallest incidents.. Officer safety is usually the excuse.

  65. 65.

    Matt McIrvin

    As usual, libertarians can’t comprehend the idea of an externality. I don’t have to buy crypto but I do have to live on the same planet as you.

  66. 66.

    different-church-lady

    Right, nobody has ever in the history of crypto asserted that crypto was going to replace fiat currency, right. It’s never happened. Sure.

  71. 71.

    different-church-lady

    Yeah, I’m getting into a rant now: they just pivot from “CRYPTO IS THE FUTURE OF EVERYTHING GET OUT OF THE WAY BROKE LOSER DINOSAUR” to “its-just-my-little-innocent-hobby-why-you-so-mean?” like the fukin’ sociopaths they are.

  74. 74.

    different-church-lady

    @Aussie Sheila: ​
    &nbsp

    ;get back to me when the US government accepts crypto tax payments in lieu of dollars

    The scary problem is there are people in power who are pushing for that very thing.

  76. 76.

    Tony G

    From my perspective, “crypto” and NFTs are just the latest in a long history of scams that some people are dumb enough to fall for.  Look at the proliferation of casino gambling over the past four decades, supplemented in recent years by “sports book” gambling that you can do from your phone without getting out of bed.  A significant number of people believe that they can get rich with no brains or effort, and there are enormous lucrative industries that are happy to take these people’s money.

  77. 77.

    different-church-lady

    @Tony G: Gambling is now just fine. Pot is now just fine. There are movements afoot to legalize mushrooms and other psychedelics.

    It’s getting to the point where everything is legal except a woman being in control of her own body.

  82. 82.

    Doug R

    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
    Upton Sinclair

  86. 86.

    different-church-lady

    @Doug R: ​
      Give a man a bulb and he eats for a day. Teach a man to plant the bulb and eat the leaves and flowers and he… well, he probably dies before spring, but then the rabbits do okay.

  88. 88.

    twbrandt (formerly tom)

    @kalakal: I’m rather amazed that one man, and foreigner to boot, could take over an entire country’s foreign trade, tax collection, and minting of money. He must have been quite persuasive :)

    I’d definitely claim him as an ancestor, no matter how tenuous the connection.

  90. 90.

    SFAW

    @different-church-lady: ​

    I’d rather see him punished for being a fascist than for his misuse of language.

    I don’t disagree, but anything to get him away from where he can harm the public is fine by me.

    ETA: Of course, that applies to most of the Rethuglican Partei. But I’m OK with starting with DeathSantis, especially before 2024.

  93. 93.

    Jinchi

    @bjacques: ​  why is it always Tulipmania, which was just a blip in the history of financial bubbles?

    It’s all about the branding.

    “Tulipmania” is something any child can understand.​

  94. 94.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Amir Khalid: Bitcoin and its ilk are not a better kind of money than fiat money, and in some ways they are clearly worse.

    Craptocurrency Bastards Of The Universe have no problem with fiat currency – so long as they’re driving the Fiat.

    Throw ’em all in the hoosegow and make ’em use up their crapto accounts to pay for their own food and water. Let them watch as the value in “fiat money” drops to zero…

  95. 95.

    J R in WV

    @NotMax: ​

    non-invasive hip replacements.

    What the hell is a non-invasive hip replacement? Where can I sign up for two of them??

  96. 96.

    moops

    Why is everyone all talking down the idea of collateralized debt obligation?   what’s your problem with credit default swaps?   Nobody is making your invest in them (because you can’t even if you wanted to).  They aren’t smack talking your fiat money system (except crypto people smack-talk about fiat currency like it is a religious creed).  You can all just shut up and stop talking about CDOs and CDSs and leave us alone, we aren’t hurting anyone!

  100. 100.

    different-church-lady

    @kalakal:

    Though the crash was not directly attributable to Law, he was the obvious scapegoat and was forced to flee France in December 1720.

    If only we had even that level of accountability today.

  101. 101.

    Citizen Alan

    @matt: Thank you for articulating the truth better than I have been able to. I am totally using that from now on.

    Internet asshole: That scene on She-Hulk with the twerking was so cringe!

    Me: Okay, so the scene of Megan Thee Stallion teaching Jennifer to twerk upset you for some reason that you are unable to articulate even to yourself, so you hide behind the word “cringe” in order to (a) express disapproval without justification and (b) subtly bully people who saw nothing wrong with the scene into agreeing with you lest they feel “uncool.”

  103. 103.

    Citizen Alan

    @RSA: One difference between the two words is that I’ve seen “woke” used far more often by people opposed to “wokeness” than by supporters of it. (In much the same way that probably no one on the Left did more to popularize the term “political correctness” than Rush Limbaugh, albeit negatively). “Cringe,” OTOH, seems to mainly be a gatekeeper word meaning “I disapprove of this for reasons I won’t bother to articulate, and you’re obviously an uncool person if you don’t agree with me.”

  104. 104.

    Citizen Alan

    @SFAW: When conservatives use the word “woke,” they are using it in exactly the same way Lee Atwater admitted to using the phrases “forced busing” and “affirmative action,” i.e. as a substitute for screaming the N-word at the top of your lungs.

  105. 105.

    different-church-lady

    @hervevillechaizelounge: ​
      It depends on whether the white man was rich or poor.

    As other commenters are pointing towards, a major part of the problem is the systemic effect of keeping minorities poor. The value system, regardless of race, is poor = worthless. In a systemically racist society, keeping minorities poor creates a loop where there’s more social “excuse” for oppression, which in turn further erodes economic opportunity. It’s a double whammy, and it’s on purpose.

    So yeah, go ahead and kick a white guy in the teeth. Just make sure he doesn’t have enough money to sue you into oblivion before you do.

  106. 106.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @Albatrossity: I know.  Not only was it ridiculous that the cartoons were worth HUGE amounts of money, but they were ugly, so no intrinsic value (i.e. for someone to enjoy looking at them). YMMV of course.

  108. 108.

    Burnspbesq

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    FTX creative bookkeeping with their investors is a bigger argument that the SEC was asleep on the job.

    it’s far from clear that crypto fits within the statutory definition of “security.” Unless it’s a security, the SEC doesn’t have jurisdiction to regulate it. You can argue that it should be, and I’ll probably agree, but until Congress acts, the Supremes won’t. And that Congressional action ain’t happening until at least 2025.

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