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You are here: Home / Information As Power / Information As Power Open Thread: The Mar-A-Lago Laptop ‘Discovery’ — It’s *ALWAYS* Projection

Information As Power Open Thread: The Mar-A-Lago Laptop ‘Discovery’ — It’s *ALWAYS* Projection

by Anne Laurie|  February 11, 20235:16 pm| 158 Comments

This post is in: Information As Power, Republican Politics, Trump Crime Cartel

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I know how obsessed Republicans are with laptops.

Maybe now that a laptop with classified material has been found at Mar-a-Lago, they will show some interest in the former president’s willful failure to turn over classified info.

Roll up your sleeves, Jim.

— Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) February 11, 2023

Started drafting this post last night, under the heading ‘Another Friday Doc Dump’…

NEW: “Trump attorney James Trusty turned over the folder with classification markings to federal investigators, and also informed agents that it had been electronically copied to a laptop of a current Trump aide.”

COPIED?! https://t.co/7hIXgkE7Cy

— Katie S. Phang (@KatiePhang) February 11, 2023

…Trump attorney James Trusty turned over the folder with classification markings to federal investigators, and also informed agents that it had been electronically copied to a laptop of a current Trump aide, the sources said.

The folder with classification markings was discovered in a box with additional papers, the sources said. A copy of the box’s contents was made electronically, raising the question about the existence of any additional electronic records that may be relevant to the special counsel’s investigation.

ABC News has also learned that after the information was recovered, federal agents retrieved the laptop from the aide. The laptop was not retrieved on the Mar-a-Lago grounds, the sources said.

“It is customary in circumstances such as this for investigators to search the computer to see if classified material is still on that computer,” said John Cohen, former acting undersecretary for intelligence at the Department of Homeland Security and now an ABC News contributor. “They will also seek to determine if classified material was transmitted electronically to other computers or devices via that computer.”…

Federal investigators have reported mounting frustration with Trump, who some believe could still be unlawfully holding on to classified documents even after the FBI’s unprecedented August search of his Mar-a-Lago estate…

In December, a federal judge in Washington declined to hold Trump or his legal team in contempt of court and instead urged the Justice Department and Trump’s legal team to resolve the dispute themselves, sources told ABC News at the time.

Chief Judge Beryl Howell did not rule out the possibility that Trump could be held in contempt if their talks broke down further.

There was a THUMB DRIVE, too. https://t.co/9Ysp3ieTmD

— Katie S. Phang (@KatiePhang) February 11, 2023

… The previously undisclosed handovers – from December and January – suggest the protracted effort by the Justice Department to repossess records from Trump’s presidency may not be done.

The Trump attorneys discovered pages with classified markings in December, while searching through boxes at the former president’s Mar-a-Lago residence. The lawyers subsequently handed the materials over to the Justice Department.

A Trump aide had previously copied those same pages onto a thumb drive and laptop, not realizing they were classified, sources said. The laptop, which belonged to an aide, who works for Save America PAC, and the thumb drive were also given to investigators in January.

Special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation, which is pursuing possible criminal charges related to Trump’s handling of national security records and obstruction of justice, had subpoenaed Trump last May for all classified records in his possession…

Eventually in this mishandling catastrophe, Trump’s going to give the FBI consent to search Bedminster and Trump Tower, right?

Like Biden and Pence did?

Like law abiding citizens do?

Or at least the media will note the radical difference in behavior? https://t.co/tMUdOQqvgq

— Pete Strzok (@petestrzok) February 11, 2023

The fish rots from the head:

CARMEL, Ind. (AP) — Pence spokesperson: DOJ finds additional document with classified markings at former vice president’s Indiana home.

— darlene superville (@dsupervilleap) February 10, 2023

Pence and Trump could try to block the former vice president from complying with the special counsel’s Jan. 6 investigation. Here's why any such attempt should fail. (via Deadline: Legal Blog) https://t.co/WmGAvX51yb

— Deadline White House (@DeadlineWH) February 10, 2023

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    February 11, 2023 at 5:19 pm

    Good point by the man with the unspellable last name.

  2. 2.

    Lapassionara

    February 11, 2023 at 5:23 pm

    @Baud: also unpronounceable.

  3. 3.

    eclare

    February 11, 2023 at 5:23 pm

    I guess Trusty wants to keep his license to practice.

  4. 4.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    February 11, 2023 at 5:24 pm

    It looks to me like Jack Smith is not dilly dallying.

  5. 5.

    Baud

    February 11, 2023 at 5:24 pm

    @eclare:

    He didn’t want to dishonor his family name.

  6. 6.

    Betty

    February 11, 2023 at 5:25 pm

    Isn’t it time to bring Trump in for a little interrogation?

  7. 7.

    zhena gogolia

    February 11, 2023 at 5:27 pm

    @Lapassionara: I think he just pronounces it “Stroke,” which is wrong, but that’s his prerogative.

  8. 8.

    zhena gogolia

    February 11, 2023 at 5:27 pm

    @Betty: I hope they get Captain Ronald Merrick to do it!

    #JewelintheCrown

    #TimPigottSmith

  9. 9.

    eclare

    February 11, 2023 at 5:30 pm

    @zhena gogolia:   I hope they get Idris Elba as Luther.

  10. 10.

    NotMax

    February 11, 2023 at 5:31 pm

    @zhena gogolia

    Diff’rent Strokes for diff’rent folks.

  11. 11.

    The Moar You Know

    February 11, 2023 at 5:31 pm

    Of course he’s got more.  Fucker’s gotta pay the urgent bills somehow.

  12. 12.

    piratedan

    February 11, 2023 at 5:32 pm

    I’m getting tired of all of the latitude that Trump and his ilk keep getting in the courts, bastard is bad faith personified and judges keep allowing his team to get breaks that few others are allowed it seems.

  13. 13.

    lowtechcyclist

    February 11, 2023 at 5:33 pm

    Between the SOTU and this story, it’s been a great week!

  14. 14.

    NotMax

    February 11, 2023 at 5:34 pm

    @NotMax

    Itchy clicky finger. Would have been funnier as:

    Diff’rent Strzoks for diff’rent folks.

    (Pretend you never saw the first iteration.)

  15. 15.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 11, 2023 at 5:35 pm

    USAF shoots down another UFO.

  16. 16.

    Jackie

    February 11, 2023 at 5:36 pm

    This is picking up traction – at least on cable news. I expect once the Super Bowl hoopla is over, the laptop and thumb drive will be #1on Mon. If one laptop and thumb drive has classified info, how many others are out there? And who has them?

    I’m surprised TFG isn’t screaming witch hunt – but he’s still obsessing over Rihanna.

  17. 17.

    Baud

    February 11, 2023 at 5:38 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Space Force needs to keep them from entering the atmosphere.

  18. 18.

    Dan B

    February 11, 2023 at 5:39 pm

    There are foreign members of Save America PAC.  The thumb drive contents were rumored to have been on the website.  What could go wrong?

  19. 19.

    Baud

    February 11, 2023 at 5:40 pm

    We need to start searching the dark web for purloined classified documents. #EveryCopShow

  20. 20.

    zhena gogolia

    February 11, 2023 at 5:40 pm

    @NotMax: Yeah, that’s better.

  21. 21.

    NotMax

    February 11, 2023 at 5:53 pm

    Augh! Local radio ad for a pizza joint just assaulted the ears. Actually said by the owner:

    “I was teached by the best pizza maker in Naples.”

  22. 22.

    David 🎈🕵️The Establishment 📸🛩 Koch

    February 11, 2023 at 5:54 pm

    The search of Mar-a-lardo occurred 6 months ago on August 8. It took them 6 months to find further material? Yeah, sure.

  23. 23.

    Steeplejack

    February 11, 2023 at 5:55 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    I thought they called him “Strock” on MSNBC. He was on one of the shows Thursday or Friday.

  24. 24.

    dmsilev

    February 11, 2023 at 5:56 pm

    Look, Hunter Biden had a MacBook, and I’m sure this nameless aide/patsy had a Windows laptop. See, totally different.

  25. 25.

    schrodingers_cat

    February 11, 2023 at 5:57 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Merrick is so  evil in that whole series. **Shudders

  26. 26.

    David 🎈🕵️The Establishment 📸🛩 Koch

    February 11, 2023 at 5:58 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: ​
     

    another UFO

    Mulder was right😲

  27. 27.

    Mo MacArbie

    February 11, 2023 at 5:58 pm

    @NotMax: Don’t call me “Taughter”.

  28. 28.

    dmsilev

    February 11, 2023 at 5:58 pm

    @NotMax: The finest pizza maker in Naples, not the finest grammarian. Or at least I hope not.

  29. 29.

    Scout211

    February 11, 2023 at 5:59 pm

    Keith Olbermann retweeted a Kaitlan Collins tweet. She named the unnamed Trump aide, then deleted the tweet. Twitter.com Keith Olbermann.

    This adds to the importance of this. @kaitlancollins tweeted the name of the apparent owner of the laptop – from a Trump PAC – then she deleted the tweet without explanation. Trump giving classified docs to somebody at one of his PACs is deep, deep shit. So is the deletion.

  30. 30.

    dmsilev

    February 11, 2023 at 6:02 pm

    Begun, the balloon wars have:

    A new “high-altitude airborne object” has been spotted and shot down over Canada’s Yukon territory, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Saturday evening, as U.S. personnel continued efforts to recover the remnants of two other craft shot down over Alaska and South Carolina within the last week.

    Trudeau said in a tweet that Canadian and U.S. aircraft were scrambled to respond in the latest incident, and that a “U.S. F-22 successfully fired at the object.”

  31. 31.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    February 11, 2023 at 6:03 pm

    @Scout211: on the advice of CNN’s lawyers? some risks to naming a potential criminal suspect for CNN Inc?

    ETA: Richard Jewell, that’s the example I was searching for

  32. 32.

    Scout211

    February 11, 2023 at 6:05 pm

    @dmsilev: As I commented downstairs, now China is just trolling us. Two “high altitude objects” in two days, both shot down by fighter jets.

  33. 33.

    trollhattan

    February 11, 2023 at 6:05 pm

    The dream is complete.

    Kentucky has seen its first infant anonymously dropped off at one of its “baby box” safe surrender locations. At a news conference Friday, Safe Haven Baby Boxes founder and CEO Monica Kelsey said the child was dropped off within the last seven days at a Bowling Green Fire Department location, declining to be more specific to protect anonymity. She said fire department staff was able to tend to the child in less than 90 seconds. The child is the 24th in the country to be surrendered at one of more than 130 baby boxes and drawers the organization has established across nine states. “This baby is healthy. This baby is beautiful. This baby is perfect,” said Kelsey, who added that officials are now looking to place the child in “a forever home.” Gov. Andy Beshear signed a law in 2021 that allows the use of baby boxes for children less than 30 days old. The law requires the boxes to be located at police stations, fire stations or hospitals that are staffed 24 hours a day. It also requires equipping them with a notification system to alert the first responders on site that a child has been placed inside the box.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/article272419098.html#storylink=cpy

    Guessing this isn’t what Kellyanne had in mind with her Bowling Green Massacre.

  34. 34.

    Subsole

    February 11, 2023 at 6:07 pm

    Okay, soooooo…

    Given all the punditary shrieking and judiciously furrowed media brows we have had to endure this past (checks notes) 4/5ths of a decade about Libocrat Commiesexual pedophile groomer cabals who sell baby parts for their ritualistic Satan-worshipping sex-orgies…

    It is pretty much a given that a MASSIVE child sex-trafficking ring is going to be exposed in the conservative movement pretty soon, right?

    Like, Chris Rufo and company are going to get rumbled for supplying entire troops of girl scouts to the myriad Bruenigs and Drehers and Jordans Peterson of the Intellectual Dim Web at this point, right?

  35. 35.

    Baud

    February 11, 2023 at 6:08 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Leave a penny baby, take a penny baby.

  36. 36.

    trollhattan

    February 11, 2023 at 6:08 pm

    @Scout211: Wait until they unleash the DJI swarms.

    “It was a high school class project gone awry, nothing to see here.”

  37. 37.

    Baud

    February 11, 2023 at 6:10 pm

    @Subsole:

    Yes, but the media will also find a photo from the 1970s of Biden dressed up like a woman for Halloween, so both sides.

  38. 38.

    smith

    February 11, 2023 at 6:11 pm

    @Scout211: If you’re curious, according to some tweets linked at Dkos, her name is Chamberlain Harris, a former WH intern and a product of Charlie Kirk’s young fascists development program. Also, probably, the lowest level, most potentially sympathetic fall-girl they could find.

  39. 39.

    NotMax

    February 11, 2023 at 6:11 pm

    FYI.

    The United States, Germany, France, Canada, and the Netherlands are among the 35 countries to unite in their demand that Russia and Belarus be banned from the 2024 Olympics in Paris, Lithuania’s sports minister Jurgita Šiugždinienė said, following a call with international leaders on Friday, Reuters reported.
    [snip]
    Czech foreign minister Jan Lipavsky said that considering 70% of Russian athletes are soldiers, it would be “unacceptable” for the country to participate in the upcoming games.

    “Fair play obviously means nothing to them,” he said. Source

  40. 40.

    zhena gogolia

    February 11, 2023 at 6:11 pm

    @Steeplejack: Maybe. At any rate, he doesn’t pronounce the “rz” properly.

  41. 41.

    zhena gogolia

    February 11, 2023 at 6:12 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Yeah, it’s really frightening. But apparently Tim P-S was a really nice guy.

  42. 42.

    zhena gogolia

    February 11, 2023 at 6:13 pm

    @trollhattan: “forever home” — that’s what you say about dogs and cats. Blech.

  43. 43.

    mainsailset

    February 11, 2023 at 6:19 pm

    It’s bad enough that the classified doc was copied and that a thumb drive also has the copy but the ‘current aide’ is not someone who has the clearance to see or handle the material.

  44. 44.

    Scout211

    February 11, 2023 at 6:19 pm

    @smith:Also, probably, the lowest level, most potentially sympathetic fall-girl they could find.

    Olbermann’s Tweet included the Collins tweet with the aide’s name. But thanks for the background. Charlie Kirk’s group? Ugh.

    I didn’t post the name here, though. Just the link. Because really, can we trust the Trump team to tell the truth about this? Your point about a ”fall-girl” is valid.

  45. 45.

    David 🎈🕵️The Establishment 📸🛩 Koch

    February 11, 2023 at 6:19 pm

    @dmsilev: ​
      makes me nostalgic for Fan Man

    Fan Man, was an American parachutist and paraglider pilot known for his appearances at various sporting events. His most infamous appearance was the November 6, 1993 boxing match between Evander Holyfield and Riddick Bowe at Caesars Palace

  46. 46.

    eclare

    February 11, 2023 at 6:21 pm

    @Scout211:   I hope she is smart enough and has the resources to hire her own lawyer like Cassidy Hutchinson did.

  47. 47.

    David 🎈🕵️The Establishment 📸🛩 Koch

    February 11, 2023 at 6:24 pm

    @smith: ​
      On her Linkin page she literal lists herself as “Former Receptionist of the United States at The White House”

    This is Dump’s female patsy version of “coffee boy”

  48. 48.

    Anne Laurie

    February 11, 2023 at 6:26 pm

    @Scout211:  First ‘Chamberlain Harris’ link on Google was a LinkedIn profile for a “Former receptionist at the White House” (by way of the Heritage Foundation).

    So — if this is actually the individual responsible — probably she was just Following Orders, as one does, and not actually making decisions about what got backed up onto that (those) thumb drives.

  49. 49.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    February 11, 2023 at 6:36 pm

    @David 🎈🕵️The Establishment 📸🛩 Koch:

    Receptionist of the United States

    Was her desk under the Statue of Liberty or something?

  50. 50.

    David 🎈🕵️The Establishment 📸🛩 Koch

    February 11, 2023 at 6:36 pm

    I want to hear the excuses they came up with for a intern “receptionist” accessing a classified server.  There’s no way she had the codes to log on to the files.

  51. 51.

    Citizen Alan

    February 11, 2023 at 6:37 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Forever home. Like it’s a god-dammed puppy or kitten.

  52. 52.

    Anne Laurie

    February 11, 2023 at 6:43 pm

    @zhena gogolia: “forever home” — that’s what you say about dogs and cats. Blech.

    Do you remember Amy Comey Barrett talking about the kids she adopted from Haiti?  Same pet-rescue framing:  They were  sooo sickly & miserable, but look how happy they are now!

    (Her birth kids she described by their personal traits, of course.)

    From what I’ve seen, the forced-birth fundamentalists are doing their best to re-frame (closed / overseas) adoptions as feel-good inspirational stories, where ‘pathetic, lost, abused’ helpless victims who have no agency over their own lives are ‘rescued’ from… some vague status, certainly not involving birth parents or other potential complicating factors.

  53. 53.

    Alison Rose

    February 11, 2023 at 6:50 pm

    @Scout211: We should send one over to them that looks like Winnie the Pooh. I’m sure Xi will love it.

  54. 54.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 11, 2023 at 6:51 pm

    @zhena gogolia: ​
      If Cholmondeley can be pronounced Chumlee…

  55. 55.

    OGLiberal

    February 11, 2023 at 6:51 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Here linked in page literally has “ROTUS” in parentheses after her “title”.

  56. 56.

    Jackie

    February 11, 2023 at 6:51 pm

    @Scout211: The two new unidentified ufos haven’t been identified as to be from China.

  57. 57.

    eclare

    February 11, 2023 at 6:52 pm

    @Anne Laurie:   I hope all of these :rescued children don’t become “forever servants.”

  58. 58.

    Alison Rose

    February 11, 2023 at 6:53 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: In the torch.

  59. 59.

    eclare

    February 11, 2023 at 6:53 pm

    @Alison Rose:   Hahaha…

  60. 60.

    Baud

    February 11, 2023 at 6:58 pm

    @OGLiberal:

    That sounds like how Scooby Doo would refer to the president of the United States.

  61. 61.

    Scout211

    February 11, 2023 at 7:03 pm

    @Jackie: The two new unidentified ufos haven’t been identified as to be from China.

    Yes, but, but, but, they haven’t been identified as to be not from China, so I felt that it was irresponsible not to speculate. 😉

  62. 62.

    UncleEbeneezer

    February 11, 2023 at 7:03 pm

    THREAD: RESEARCH FIRM: so this is major news and I have to thread about it. Trump paid a research firm a ton of money to find election fraud and they found none. The firm briefed Meadows and Trump on their findings sometime in December 2020. 1/

    We’ve known for a while that all kinds of people told trump he lost, including Barr, Stepien, Cannon, Hirschmann, Ivanka, and more. But now we have Donald hiding the findings of a paid research firm. That could be the evidence Judge Carter refers to here: 2/

    And Hutchinson testified she heard trump tell meadows on December 11 “This is embarrassing. I don’t want people to know we lost.” Could he have been referencing the research firm’s findings? 3/

    Donald was briefed before he signed a lawsuit in GA. He was briefed before he repeated voter fraud lies on the Ellipse on 1/6. He was briefed before he went after Ruby Freeman and Shaye moss. This will help their lawsuit. 4/

    And he continued to defraud donors after the briefing – a focus of the latest round of Jack Smith subpoenas including the “election defense fund” that never existed. I’m also curious as to any communications about keeping the findings under wraps. END/

  63. 63.

    UncleEbeneezer

    February 11, 2023 at 7:05 pm

    Buried nugget: the classified evening briefing folder was found in trump’s BEDROOM.

  64. 64.

    satby

    February 11, 2023 at 7:06 pm

    @Anne Laurie: I have been in Haiti after the earthquake and I still maintain that Boney Carrot’s “adopted children” from there are restaveks. They don’t act like children in a family, they act like caretakers to the children younger than them when the family has been on display. The link is old, but generally from the time those kinds of “adoptions” were flourishing.

  65. 65.

    JoyceH

    February 11, 2023 at 7:08 pm

    @Subsole:

    It is pretty much a given that a MASSIVE child sex-trafficking ring is going to be exposed in the conservative movement pretty soon, right?

    I always thought that was the whole point of that sketchy Trump ‘modeling agency’. There are plenty of pretty girls in the US, I don’t see any real need to import them from Eastern Europe – except of course that American girls have families and friends and support networks that would render them something less than entirely and helplessly at the mercy of their ’employers’.

  66. 66.

    UncleEbeneezer

    February 11, 2023 at 7:14 pm

    Just started The Staircase on HBOMax, the true crime series about the Michael Peterson affair.  Holy crap!  How hadn’t I heard about this yet.  Seriously one of the best true crime drama series I’ve seen.  And the cast is a veritable who’s who of ’90’s actors (Toni Colette, Colin Firth, Parker Posey).

  67. 67.

    MobiusKlein

    February 11, 2023 at 7:17 pm

    Are the Twitter replies to Adam Schiff always so toxic?   Man, it’s such a maga playground there.

  68. 68.

    Alison Rose

    February 11, 2023 at 7:18 pm

    @MobiusKlein: Twitter replies to ANY Democrat are a fucking cesspool, no matter the topic.

  69. 69.

    UncleEbeneezer

    February 11, 2023 at 7:20 pm

    TW: Racism

    Lest anyone think the panic of Wokeism in Schools is anything new, here’s an excerpt from “Mothers of Massive Resistance” by Elizabeth Gilespie McRae, referring to sentiments of white school teachers in 1955:

    “White students would also suffer from the integration of teaching staffs, some predicted, as black teachers would reflect their experiences in teaching substandard students. For example, one report erroneously stated that black teachers had less education and taught at a pace aligned to the slow intellect of their students. Moreover, unlike white teachers, ‘the negro teacher,’ it concluded, ‘has been subjected to such a continuous volume of subversive propaganda that it has warped her viewpoint of life.‘”

    This book really is a must-read for anyone interested in the history/workings of White Supremacy in America.

  70. 70.

    Princess

    February 11, 2023 at 7:22 pm

    @Subsole: I don’t think it will ever be fully exposed but I have been saying for years that QAnon believers are predominantly victims and/or perpetrators of sexual  abuse and QAnon appeals to them because they can project their hate for their abusers and themselves outwards, to Democrats, instead of where it belongs, on their family members and church pastors and congregants.

    And a few scandals have come forward, right in the places where you’d expect them to.

  71. 71.

    UncleEbeneezer

    February 11, 2023 at 7:22 pm

    @Alison Rose: Schiff gets it especially bad though, for being such a key player in BOTH Impeachments! (and another reason that is probably to obvious to mention)

  72. 72.

    Bex

    February 11, 2023 at 7:24 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: So do Kinzinger and Swallwell.

  73. 73.

    Martin

    February 11, 2023 at 7:28 pm

    @Scout211: Might have been launched before the first one blew up in the news. Takes a while to cross the Pacific.

  74. 74.

    Alison Rose

    February 11, 2023 at 7:30 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: Probably, yeah. Swalwell gets a lot of nastiness, too, as does Newsom, and of course Pelosi. Doesn’t even have to be political. They can tweet a photo of like, a butterfly landing on a dog’s nose, and people are like WHY AREN’T YOU DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THE CRISIS AT THE BORDER AND LETTING AMERICANS DIE

  75. 75.

    mrmoshpotato

    February 11, 2023 at 7:31 pm

    @Jackie:

    I’m surprised TFG isn’t screaming witch hunt – but he’s still obsessing over Rihanna. 

    Did Rihanna also call the orange shitstain a pussy ass bitch?

  76. 76.

    Alison Rose

    February 11, 2023 at 7:34 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: If TFG ever gets back on Twitter (he isn’t yet, right?), I wanna see everyone tweet that phrase at him immediately.

  77. 77.

    UncleEbeneezer

    February 11, 2023 at 7:36 pm

    @Alison Rose: Schiff gets (((a different type))) of animosity, that’s hard not to notice.

  78. 78.

    Chris Johnson

    February 11, 2023 at 7:39 pm

    @smith: HOO BOY. Charlie Kirk is a rampant Putin apologist to the extent that he even pisses off Sebastian Freaking Gorka.

    If the recipient comes out of Kirk’s system, this is absolutely a conduit to Russia. That’s one of the worst possible names that could have come up in this context. FFS.

  79. 79.

    David 🎈🕵️The Establishment 📸🛩 Koch

    February 11, 2023 at 7:40 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: ​
     

    Aug 17, 2020

    Pop star Rihanna visited Amarillo this weekend, spray painting “Fuck Trump” in all capital letters onto a vehicle out at the iconic Cadillac Ranch.

  80. 80.

    eclare

    February 11, 2023 at 7:41 pm

    @Alison Rose:   Sic the BTS ARMY and other K-pop fans on him.

  81. 81.

    Baud

    February 11, 2023 at 7:43 pm

    @David 🎈🕵️The Establishment 📸🛩 Koch:

    She’s performing the halftime show tomorrow!

  82. 82.

    Ken

    February 11, 2023 at 7:44 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: Buried nugget: the classified evening briefing folder was found in trump’s BEDROOM.

    It would be irresponsible not to speculate, but it would also be sanity-shattering horror to speculate, so I’ll just sit over here in the corner screaming.

  83. 83.

    karen marie

    February 11, 2023 at 7:44 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: Please, next time, use a direct to link to the news story, not the tweet containing the link.  Otherwise, thanks

    The backstory the justice department was told about the folder was that Individual-1 would sometimes ask to keep the envelopes, featuring only the “Classified Evening Briefings” in red lettering, as keepsakes after briefings were delivered, one of the sources said.

     

    “Keepsakes.” What the fuck?

  84. 84.

    Jackie

    February 11, 2023 at 7:44 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: Pretty much!😂

    ”Donald Trump has launched a stinging attack on pop star Rihanna ahead of her performance at the Super Bowl half time show on Sunday, the Daily Beast reports.

    His comments came after Rep. Ronny Jackson (R-TX) called on the NFL to remove Rihanna from the Super Bowl half time show line-up for a 2020 incident where she went to the famed Cadillac Ranch in Texas and spray painted “Fuck Donald Trump” in an act of political protest that she called “art.”

  85. 85.

    Alison Rose

    February 11, 2023 at 7:46 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: Oh, trust me. I know. Gives me memories of any time I let slip I was Jewish on a gaming message board in the early 00s. Fun times!!!!

  86. 86.

    James E Powell

    February 11, 2023 at 7:47 pm

    @Baud:

    Good point by the man with the unspellable last name.

    The answers to his questions are no, no, no, and never.

  87. 87.

    UncleEbeneezer

    February 11, 2023 at 7:49 pm

    @karen marie: Sorry.  I want the Tweeter to get their proper credit.  If you don’t want to visit Twitter (I get it, I really do) just Google.  But many of these journalists (like Allison Gill) only work on Twitter still, but do great work.

  88. 88.

    Elizabelle

    February 11, 2023 at 7:51 pm

    @MobiusKlein:  No wonder Adam Schiff and his rolltop desk were so much happier visiting here!

  89. 89.

    Citizen Alan

    February 11, 2023 at 7:52 pm

    @Anne Laurie: I know a couple (my B-in-law’s sister and B-in-law) who adopted a baby girl from Russia. An adorable blonde-haired blue-eyed child. 25 years later, they have nearly bankrupted themselves in a largely futile effort to keep that young woman out of prison for various drug related offenses.

  90. 90.

    Elizabelle

    February 11, 2023 at 7:52 pm

    @Jackie:  Rihanna has an actual business (Fenty Beauty) that seems to be doing quite well.

    Unlike ….

  91. 91.

    Citizen Alan

    February 11, 2023 at 7:53 pm

    @eclare: Part of me strongly suspects that Justice Serena Joy adopted two Haitian children because it was cheaper than paying for a housekeeper.

  92. 92.

    Scout211

    February 11, 2023 at 7:53 pm

    @karen marie: Interesting tidbit in your Guardian link.

    The junior Trump aide, according to what one of the sources said, was apparently instructed to upload the documents by top Trump aide Molly Michael to create a repository of what Trump was doing while in office and was apparently careless in scanning them on to her work laptop.

    When the Trump legal team told the justice department about the uploads, federal prosecutors demanded the laptop and its password, warning that they would otherwise move to obtain a grand jury subpoena summoning the junior aide to Washington to grant them access to the computer.

    To avoid a subpoena, the Trump legal team agreed to turn over the laptop in its entirety last month, though they did not allow federal prosecutors to collect it from Mar-a-Lago.

  93. 93.

    Bill Arnold

    February 11, 2023 at 7:53 pm

    Does anyone know of an archive of Trump’s Truth Social “Truths”?

  94. 94.

    eclare

    February 11, 2023 at 7:54 pm

    @Citizen Alan:   You are not alone.

  95. 95.

    Mike in NC

    February 11, 2023 at 7:55 pm

    Does the mob boss of Mar-A-Lago still have a hidden trove of highly classified government documents carelessly strewn about his club?  Does Trump shit in the woods?

  96. 96.

    Martin

    February 11, 2023 at 7:55 pm

    @Princess: Nah. I mean, I’m sure that’s a part of it, but you should watch ‘In Search of a Flat Earth‘ for a decent walk through of the movement.

    Short version: we each have a vision of how the world works, what its structure is. When evidence surfaces that the world doesn’t work that way, a lot of people cannot process that new view – so they invent reasons why the evidence is wrong.

    That’s why QAnoners deny the 2020 election – because Biden winning the popular vote is evidence that white Christians aren’t ascendant in US society. They don’t see evidence that it was stolen, they need it to be stolen and then fabricate evidence around it to validate their view.

    QAnoners don’t actually think any of the grooming/pedophile stuff is true. But they can’t explain why so many things are working against them, and rather than accept that they are in cultural decline and maybe horrible people, it’s much easier for them to turn everyone else into a cartoonish villain. There’s no greater villain than someone who traffics kids for sex. It’s why terms like ‘evil’ are so destructive to any discussion – because causing someone evil immediately invalidates anything that person says, even the true stuff. QAnon is just that on a relatively large scale thanks to social media.

    Give it a watch – it’ll piece things together.

    The reason why I wouldn’t completely discount that QAnon attracts some of that crowd is that the social media platform on which QAnon originates is 8kun, which hosts a LOT of child porn. But the ‘pedophile’ fascination by QAnon is really just about grabbing the most ‘evil’ behavior they can think of and applying it to anything that could counter their worldview. If Hillary Clinton is telling you the truth and why your worldview is wrong, and you can’t handle that, calling her a pedophile means you and your movement can dismiss anything she does or says and anyone who might cite her. It’s a form of information veto, chosen because it’s the most effective information veto.

  97. 97.

    different-church-lady

    February 11, 2023 at 7:56 pm

    Trusty?

    No, wait, seriously… Trusty?!?

  98. 98.

    Phylllis

    February 11, 2023 at 7:58 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: I watched the documentary a few months ago, and then the mini series a couple of weeks ago. I don’t know who creeped me out more, Colin Firth or the real Michael Peterson.

  99. 99.

    Bill Arnold

    February 11, 2023 at 8:01 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:
    Yep, though a tweet embed (text only for commenters here) provides more context including sublinks. (Might need to edit if there are a bunch of hashtags though.)

  100. 100.

    WaterGirl

    February 11, 2023 at 8:03 pm

    Just mentioning this here…

    We had planned for tomorrow’s Medium Cool to be the discussion of The Autobiography of Malcolm X, but since tomorrow is the Super Bowl, we will talk about the book the following week instead.

    h/t to Steeplejack for alerting me to the conflict with the superbowl.

  101. 101.

    UncleEbeneezer

    February 11, 2023 at 8:05 pm

    @Bill Arnold: A lot of times, I’m really most thing to share the words of the Tweet, rather than the linked story.  The story link is always there, but many times the Tweet does such a great job of analyzing, summarizing or adding something important, so I would feel weird about not sharing the Twitter link.

  102. 102.

    smith

    February 11, 2023 at 8:08 pm

    @Martin: There’s another aspect to the Qanon delusions about evil libs stealing children: It’s an extremely apt parable for what is in fact happening. Their kids go off to college, come home on vacation with ideas and attitudes their parents consider misguided at best and evil at worst, and eventually move away permanently from their original family, church, and community. We really are stealing their children.

  103. 103.

    Bill Arnold

    February 11, 2023 at 8:11 pm

    it had been electronically copied

    For those who currently hold or have held security clearances, how big a deal is scanning of classified documents to ordinary unsecured computers and removable media?
    Working guess is that the USB stick was not encrypted (inconvenient) and the laptop may have had whole drive encryption but probably with a short/brute-forceable passphrase (and was often left in suspend state, not hibernation to an encrypted drive, so was vulnerable to that class of attacks.)

  104. 104.

    Kdaug

    February 11, 2023 at 8:11 pm

    @dmsilev: Who knew a couple decades ago I picked the right site at the right time.  Now everything’s about the balloons, and we’ve got the juice

  105. 105.

    WaterGirl

    February 11, 2023 at 8:14 pm

    @Bill Arnold: Encryption on that laptop?  hahahahaha

  106. 106.

    WaterGirl

    February 11, 2023 at 8:15 pm

    @Kdaug: Seems like i haven’t seen your nym in quite awhile.  Nice to see you.

  107. 107.

    frosty

    February 11, 2023 at 8:16 pm

    @Citizen Alan: ​I’m sorry about the bankrupted couple. Counterpoint: We adopted two boys from South America who have grown up to be fine young men. One neighbor has a daughter who had straight A’s and is doing well, and a son who just got sentenced to 7 years for arson. She says “I’m not taking credit for this one or blame for the other because I raised them both the same.”
    Shorter: It’s not the adoption, it’s both nature and nurture. Like any kid, what you get is a crapshoot, you do the best you can as a parent.​

  108. 108.

    Bill Arnold

    February 11, 2023 at 8:16 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:
    By embed, I mean click on the dots to the upper right of the tweet, select embed, then “copy code”, then paste in the comment box. This is with the web UI; have never used the app.
    (Perhaps you know this, but others might not.)

  109. 109.

    Scout211

    February 11, 2023 at 8:23 pm

    @Bill Arnold: Perhaps you know this, but others might not.

    I did not. Thanks.  Does the embed link need to be pasted in the url box?

  110. 110.

    eclare

    February 11, 2023 at 8:23 pm

    @WaterGirl:   Great!

    ETA>  The conflict occurred to me about an hour ago.

  111. 111.

    japa21

    February 11, 2023 at 8:25 pm

    @WaterGirl: ​
      What’s a Super Bowl? Is it anything like the Puppy Bowl, which is always worth watching?

  112. 112.

    UncleEbeneezer

    February 11, 2023 at 8:25 pm

    @Bill Arnold: What’s the difference?  I thought embed code is only relevant for Front Pagers (so tweet shows up on page).  Just curious.

  113. 113.

    Bill Arnold

    February 11, 2023 at 8:29 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Encryption on that laptop? hahahahaha

    It part it would depend on whether their IT people (even informal ones) gave a shit. (And sometimes these things are configured with the drive secured with the same password/passphrase as used to log in.) Bad (as in would get people fired in the civilian corporate world) security practices should be assumed with that crew, I agree.
    E..g Hunter Biden’s “laptop” was probably (IMO) started as a clone/image of his laptop drive in his hotel room when he was out partying one evening. Then edited, files added, etc. (Adam thinks it may have been his phone. Certainly possible that that was at least part of the operation.)

  114. 114.

    bbleh

    February 11, 2023 at 8:30 pm

    @Bill Arnold: oh, no big deal at all!  not materially different from just slapping it on the Xerox and running off a copy or two.  (helps to cut off the big stamps at top and bottom, just to keep people who might catch a glance from becoming unduly alarmed.)  and much more portable, just to keep any random document searchers from getting upset. perfectly ok, no problemo, hahaha.

  115. 115.

    Bill Arnold

    February 11, 2023 at 8:31 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:
    The twitter embed is basically a complicated block quote that tries to capture the formatting of the tweet in text form, including all links (including a link to the tweet itself).
    Plus a short snippet calling some javascript, that does not get activated unless one is a front pager.

  116. 116.

    WaterGirl

    February 11, 2023 at 8:33 pm

    @japa21: I would choose the Puppy Bowl any day.  What time is that on?

  117. 117.

    Martin

    February 11, 2023 at 8:34 pm

    @smith: Yeah, but I don’t think that’s the driving factor for why that’s chosen. They’re very explicit about the sex rings. Blood libel is also a very big part of that. Hillary wasn’t just running a child sex ring, she was drinking their blood as well. That’s just as strong a part of it, and that’s just a straight up antisemitism canard going back centuries.

  118. 118.

    WaterGirl

    February 11, 2023 at 8:34 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: You guys can all “copy the embed code” and paste it in – you have to click the TEXT tab before you pasted in in though – and it includes everything BUT THE IMAGES.  So you do get all the links, and you get whatever the person said in the tweet.

  119. 119.

    japa21

    February 11, 2023 at 8:35 pm

    @WaterGirl: 1 PM our time.  Animal Planet

  120. 120.

    Martin

    February 11, 2023 at 8:35 pm

    @Bill Arnold: Well, it doesn’t really matter what you are copying it to – copying it is a VERY big deal, because it means malicious intent.

  121. 121.

    WaterGirl

    February 11, 2023 at 8:36 pm

    @Bill Arnold: Yes, to be precise, unless you are a front-pager, the part that inserts the image gets stripped out.

  122. 122.

    trollhattan

    February 11, 2023 at 8:37 pm

    Kid ran her first sub 5-minute mile as U of Washington indoor T&F meet today. She’s chuffed.

    Dad

  123. 123.

    eclare

    February 11, 2023 at 8:39 pm

    @trollhattan:   Impressive!  I thought she was cross country?

  124. 124.

    Scout211

    February 11, 2023 at 8:39 pm

    @WaterGirl: Thanks! I have tried it before but I missed the step where you have to be in text mode.

  125. 125.

    Martin

    February 11, 2023 at 8:42 pm

    @WaterGirl: Laptop encryption can be quite good. There’s a current ‘crisis’ of sorts in the Mac enterprise community because Apple’s encryption is so strong that after an employee gives up a laptop they often can’t repurpose it and have to just throw it away.

    The problem is Apple’s T2 security chip. First introduced in 2018, the laptop makes it impossible for anyone who isn’t the original owner to log into the machine. It’s a boon for security and privacy and a plague on the second hard market. “Like it has been for years with recyclers and millions of iPhones and iPads, it’s pretty much game over with MacBooks now—there’s just nothing to do about it if a device is locked,” Bumstead told Motherboard. “Even the jailbreakers/bypassers don’t have a solution, and they probably won’t because Apple proprietary chips are so relatively formidable.” When Apple released its own silicon with the M1, it integrated the features of the T2 into those computers.

    “The functionality of T2 is built into Apple silicon, so it’s the same situation. But whereas T2 with activation lock is basically impossible to overcome, bypass developers are finding the m1/m2 chips with activation lock even more difficult,” Bumstead said. “Many bypassers have claimed solutions to T2 macs (I have not tried or confirmed they work…I am skeptical) but they admit they have had no success with M1. Regardless, a bypassed Mac is a hacked machine, which reverts to the lock if wiped and reset, so it is not ethical to sell bypassed macs in the retail environment.”

  126. 126.

    Subsole

    February 11, 2023 at 8:45 pm

     

     

    @JoyceH:

    Yep.

    And awful as it is to contemplate, I’d bet real money a LOT of immigrant children got auctioned off from Donnie’s Border Gulags.

    Which would make USBP complicit in the human trafficking they claim to worry so much about…because projection.

  127. 127.

    Martin

    February 11, 2023 at 8:45 pm

    @trollhattan: I’ll bet. That’s haulin’. Good on her!

  128. 128.

    Subsole

    February 11, 2023 at 8:46 pm

    @Princess: Ugh. That makes sense.

  129. 129.

    Ohio Mom

    February 11, 2023 at 8:48 pm

    @frosty: A good number of adoptees from Russia have Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and I wouldn’t be surprised if that is the cause of Alan’s nephew’s (? whatever the relationship is) challenges/issues.

    The cause of FAS is drinking alcohol during pregnancy. People with FAS tend to be impulsive and oppositional, have trouble “behaving” in general. They can be, in a word, incorrigible, though there is s range.

  130. 130.

    WereBear

    February 11, 2023 at 8:48 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: Apparently they do want to make a federal case of it.

  131. 131.

    Alison Rose

    February 11, 2023 at 8:51 pm

    @Scout211:

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    When you copy the embed code and paste it into the text tab here, this is how it shows up for non-FPers

    Ukraine has launched a marathon of honesty, and I urge you to join.
    The International Olympic Committee needs honesty. Honesty it has unfortunately lost.
    While Russia kills and terrorizes, representatives of the terrorist state have no place at sports and Olympic competitions. pic.twitter.com/5d7QYz7kU4
    — Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa) February 10, 2023

    So you can get the links to the tweet itself (the timestamp), as well as any included in the tweet.

  132. 132.

    eclare

    February 11, 2023 at 8:54 pm

    @Ohio Mom:   Back in the 90’s friends of mine in their early 40’s adopted two children from Russia.  They hired a firm to evaluate videos of the kids for signs of FAS.  That was the company’s sole business, that’s how common it was

    ETA>  or maybe it was Kazakhstan…

  133. 133.

    Dr. Jakyll and Miss Deride

    February 11, 2023 at 8:56 pm

    @Anne Laurie:   Like it or not, judges and social workers in juvenile dependency cases talk about finding “forever homes” for children all the time.

  134. 134.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    February 11, 2023 at 8:56 pm

    @trollhattan: Wow. I’m impressed

  135. 135.

    Subsole

    February 11, 2023 at 8:56 pm

    @smith:

    Nah. No one’s stealing shit.This is not Liberals’ fault.

    They made a clear-eyed, cold-blooded decision to burn their kids’ future to keep property taxes low. They gleefully agreed to let the rich folks systematically abuse them and theirs for the chance to watch people they look down on suffer.

    They could knock that shit off and make their kids feel welcome aanytime.They refuse. Every year, year after year.

    That’s on them, not me.

     

    After the 550th time through the turnstile, you ain’t a victim anymore. You’re just an asshole.

  136. 136.

    NotMax

    February 11, 2023 at 9:00 pm

    @WaterGirl

    Substitute with a Medium Cool relating to sports stories, autobiographies, movies, etc.?

    My own interest in the Bowlstraganza lies somewhere well below absolute zero. (Rushes to look up links to Damn Yankees.)
    ;)

  137. 137.

    CaseyL

    February 11, 2023 at 9:08 pm

    @Subsole: ​
    I have assumed that to be the case since the kids were taken.

    Trump has a history of sexual criming, and attracts that type of person like shit attracts flies.

  138. 138.

    Alison Rose

    February 11, 2023 at 9:13 pm

    @NotMax: That could be fun. Then I could pull up one of my favorite movie quotes of all time. And no I won’t say it here, that would spoil the surprise!!!

  139. 139.

    frosty

    February 11, 2023 at 9:15 pm

    @trollhattan: ​OMG That’s amazing! That’s really hard to do! I was a third-string miler, my all-time record was 5:33, the only time I didn’t come in dead last. Always went anaerobic at the end and threw up on the 50-yard line.
    Good times! I was also dead slow in cross-country!​

  140. 140.

    Narya

    February 11, 2023 at 9:23 pm

    @trollhattan: woohoo! I can’t even get close to a 5-minute km. Or a sub-10 mile. Maybe this year.

  141. 141.

    NotMax

    February 11, 2023 at 9:23 pm

    @Alison Rose

    Can’t resist a single guess. Does it have the word “cherce” in it?

    No need to answer; will be on the lookout if/when a thread where you deem it topical shows up.
    ;)

  142. 142.

    Alison Rose

    February 11, 2023 at 9:25 pm

    @NotMax: It does not :P Also, the quote itself has nothing to do with sports, but it is from a sports movie.

  143. 143.

    smith

    February 11, 2023 at 9:27 pm

    @Subsole: I  wasn’t in any way imputing bad motives to the liberal side at all, or even implying that this is something liberals intentionally do. The kids are attracted to values and ideas that give them a sense of possibilities and in some cases acceptance they would never experience from their families or communities. I am saying that from the point of view of a Qanon parent, stealing is what it looks like.

  144. 144.

    HumboldtBlue

    February 11, 2023 at 9:34 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    And did she have a special stapler?

  145. 145.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    February 11, 2023 at 9:38 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: a red Swing Line with a White House seal on it?

  146. 146.

    zhena gogolia

    February 11, 2023 at 9:44 pm

    @NotMax: Pat and Mike

  147. 147.

    OGLiberal

    February 11, 2023 at 9:47 pm

    @Baud: LOL!

  148. 148.

    Jackie

    February 11, 2023 at 9:50 pm

    Just watched Dean Obeidallah on MSNBC’s Ayman discussing the two shot down ufos: “Joe Biden’s sending a message: “You fly over our air space, we’re shooting you down. Santa Claus – don’t take off right now!”

    😂😂😂

  149. 149.

    WaterGirl

    February 11, 2023 at 10:03 pm

    @Martin: My hahahahahaha wasn’t because I didn’t think their encryption would hold, it was because there’s no way they would have encrypted an employee’s laptop.  Not that crew, anyway!

  150. 150.

    NotMax

    February 11, 2023 at 10:06 pm

    @WaterGirl

    “We made sure to slide a reprint of an issue of Tales from the Crypt underneath the laptop. That’ll do it, right?”
    //

  151. 151.

    catclub

    February 11, 2023 at 10:23 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: ​
     

    USAF shoots down another UFO.

    Uninvited Flying Object, since they did identify it.

  152. 152.

    trollhattan

    February 11, 2023 at 11:15 pm

    @eclare: ​You’re right, she’s XC in fall and distance track in spring. This year coach surprised them with indoor track as a bridge between them.

    I seriously wonder how many calories these kids are consuming. They train 7Xdays/week. No need to turn on the heat at the apartment.

  153. 153.

    Soprano2

    February 11, 2023 at 11:53 pm

    @Elizabelle: They make a fantastic lip gloss!

  154. 154.

    Steve in the ATL

    February 12, 2023 at 12:26 am

    @NotMax:

    Diff’rent Strzoks for diff’rent folks

    Diff’rent Strzoks for diff’rent fzoks

  155. 155.

    sab

    February 12, 2023 at 5:24 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: and Featherstonehaugh pronounced as Fanshaw

  156. 156.

    Subsole

    February 12, 2023 at 9:37 am

    @smith:

    Dead thread, but I understood that to be the case.

    Just throwing a little elaboration/counterpoint on it. For grins.

  157. 157.

    Uncle Cosmo

    February 12, 2023 at 11:03 am

    @WaterGirl:

    @Bill Arnold: Encryption on that laptop?  hahahahaha

    Incrapton is a more plausible description…

  158. 158.

    Uncle Cosmo

    February 12, 2023 at 11:11 am

    @frosty: It’s not the adoption, it’s both nature and nurture.

    Mmmm, nature, nurture, and not sure – from all I can tell (from a distance, as a lifelong bachelor) no parent (biological or adoptive) ever is.

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