Critics are blasting Fox News host Tucker Carlson following a broadcast on the Jan. 6 attack. The report, using previously unseen footage provided by Speaker McCarthy’s office, contradicted police reports, footage released by the DOJ and sworn testimony, reports @MacFarlaneNews. pic.twitter.com/t38dhNKUxg
— CBS Mornings (@CBSMornings) March 7, 2023
First, I suspect, of a series.
Carlson has been getting increasingly sloppy — or anxious. As he himself claimed under deposition, he’s not a reporter, he’s an entertainer, Chief Court Jester for the Murdoch Empire. And he might’ve read enough history, back in his prep school days, to remember that jesters and other hangers-on are the first to be sacrificed when the Emperor needs a scapegoat.
Tucker’s got secured-compound-in-Maine money, but he doesn’t have the kind of oligarch money that’s kept Rupert and his offspring one step ahead of the angry mobs. He may think himself, as my Irish granny would say, King Muck of Dung Mountain, but that’s not actually much of a pinnacle in times of need.
'Bulls—': GOP senators rebuke Tucker Carlson for downplaying Jan. 6 as 'mostly peaceful' https://t.co/lW9wfZU2YH via @nbcnews
— Charlie Sykes (@SykesCharlie) March 7, 2023
Sen. Minority Leader McConnell (R-KY) rebukes Tucker Carlson and Fox News' attempt to whitewash the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.
"It was a mistake for Fox News to depict this in a way that's completely at variance with what our chief law enforcement official here at the Capitol thinks." pic.twitter.com/wmTh5ptrQa
— Heartland Signal (@HeartlandSignal) March 7, 2023
Schumer: Last night, millions of Americans tuned into one of the most shameful hours we’ve seen on cable television. By diving deep into the waters of conspiracy and cherry-picking from thousands of hours of security footage, Mr. Carlson told the bold-faced lie… pic.twitter.com/dKEw2tJVKw
— Acyn (@Acyn) March 7, 2023
Tucker Carlson is a traitor to his country. https://t.co/orcnuV5YiZ
— Brian J. Karem (@BrianKarem) March 7, 2023
Cooper: You know, I mean, the idea of Tucker Carlson being in that mob that day and not wetting his pants is hard to imagine pic.twitter.com/vjQ3E97UTs
— Acyn (@Acyn) March 8, 2023
Garland: I think all Americans saw what happened on January 6th and most of us saw it as it was happening. It was a violent attack on… pic.twitter.com/0lyTtq1GSx
— Acyn (@Acyn) March 7, 2023
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Scout211
(Reposting this from downstairs. A nice contrast between Tucker Carlson’s on-screen persona and his real-life words in private messages).
More texts, emails and private messages were released today by the judge in the Dominion v Fox case. One message from Tucker Carlson is interesting. LOL
Link
Alison Rose
Has there been any kind of advertiser exodus here as there was in the past with Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and such? I mean, personally, I’d love to see all ads on his show cease except for M&Ms commercials, and make ’em saucy as hell.
japa21
Nothing that Tucker showed contradicted anything. That is BS reporting, CBS.
Dangerman
Bill O’Reilly was King Muck for a while; he’s now asking if that burger is wanted in a combo meal.
Alison Rose
@japa21: CBS is saying that Tucker’s report on the footage is what contradicted the police reports, not the footage itself.
sab
@Alison Rose: Fox doesn’t rely so much on advertising. Cable companies pay a lot more for Fox than they do for the other content ptoviders because it is so popular with the olds, who are almost the only cable subsribers remaining. Younger people just stream or whatever.
The Moar You Know
Performative horseshit. The GOP is fully on board and Tucker’s a made man.
oldgold
Tucker Carlson: “I hate him (Trump) passionately.”
He wrote this a few days after January 6th. You can’t make this shit up! There is no bottom with these twisted bastards.
Odie Hugh Manatee
If Tucker the Fucker thinks 1/6 was just tourists being tourists then I want to go tourist on Tucker.
I’m feeling touristy…
Carlo Graziani
Rage doesn’t dent the credibilty of dipshits like Tucker. Ridicule does. Massive ridicule would destroy him.
We need a NAFO for Fox.
NotMax
To call it cherry picking is to be grossly unkind to cherries.
different-church-lady
@japa21:
I reacted the same way at first read, but then reading again I understood what CBS was saying: Carlson (and his so-called reporting) was contradicting reality. They weren’t saying the footage he aired contradicted things. But it was worded very sloppily.
different-church-lady
But in the end it’s difficult to see any immediate consequences Carlson will suffer. It might somewhat quicken the erosion of his hold over the less wing-nutty parts of his audience. It’s nice to think it’s the start of the curtain being pulled back, but (a) his hard-core audience is just going to continue with the delusion and (b) even if he topples there will just be another to take his place.
And it’s going to stay this way until Murdoch cowers before St. Peter.
Jackie
@oldgold: TFG’s reaction to Carlson should be epic.
Tucker can’t make up his mind – he hates TFG, yet is attempting to whitewash the insurrection and TFG’s role.
He’s a confused little boy.
Mr. Bemused Senior
Never mind Carlson, what did Kevin McCarthy think was going to happen? I mean, maybe he (Kevin) isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed, but really. How can this be in his own interest? The whole thing seems to be right at the edge of collapse. [Maybe I’m just a cockeyed optimist, don’t count on me for predictions.]
kalakal
Dominion’s legal team will be loving Tuckers little lie fest
different-church-lady
@Jackie: He’s not confused. He knows what he has to feed his audience, no matter what he privately thinks.
piratedan
@different-church-lady: CBS has been getting more than fascist-curious as of late, if you look at their headline framing. It’s getting to the point of being NYT worthy.
all those years with Cronkite and Rather and Wallace and the reputation that they earned essentially getting flushed to appease rich people who will never accept them as long as they have Fox, Newsmax and OAN to carry their water.
If the media wasn’t controlled by a rich folks and forced to abide by the old FCC rules of fairness and civil interest programming, maybe it could be salvaged, but people are going to want their biases confirmed, never mind that the majority of people apparently don’t share the ones that they’re peddling, hence making themselves less relevant in the grand scheme of things. The scary part being that as soon as we find a mechanism to share the truth on a media platform, the rich do what they can to co-opt it.
as for Mr. Carlson himself….. you know the old saying….. if he was on fire…… I’d bring more lighter fluid.
PQuincy
Apparently Mr Carlson also recently said the US should invade Canada — there was some lovely mockery on a Canadian TV humor/commentary show. Perhaps he’s running out of ideas about how to rile up the riled up?
OverTwistWillie
I believe they have decided to sell. The rump of FOX isn’t a stand alone in this media ecosystem.
The institutional thrashing about is typical of M&A moves. CBS management was a PITA for Sheri Redstone, Warner’s for Discovery.
Netflix, Amazon and Apple are sitting on mountains of cash (Warner is overleveraged), and a this is the only broadcast network left on the board.
Jackie
@different-church-lady: True. I forgot the hate was said in private.
Faux viewers won’t hear about that, but TFG will.
Captain C
@Mr. Bemused Senior:
I suspect that all Kevin really thinks about is how to make sure he’s still Squeaker tomorrow, every single day. I doubt he plans (or can plan) much further than that even under optimal circumstances. Other than being able to get himself elected Squeaker and leader of the hot, sadistic mess that is the House Republican caucus, I don’t think he’s very smart at all.
Ruckus
@sab:
I don’t have commercial TV. I haven’t had it for a long time. I get Netflix and there are plenty of news sources on line. Hell this place provides news on occasion. I find that if I want to watch car crashes there are plenty on Y Tube, or I can watch Steven Colbert without commercials. My world isn’t any smaller it just is filled with less BS that I have zero need for.
Ruckus
@Odie Hugh Manatee:
What kind of vehicle do you tourist in?
Something with tracks I hope.
Ruckus
@Jackie:
He’s a confused little boy.
I know he’s an idiot, a bigot, as useless as used toilet paper, but that’s harsh to other little boys. He’s more grown ass dumbshit.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
StringOnAStick
Tucker is part of a toxic 5th column, and we need FOX “news” off the armed forces network. No more of their fascist propaganda on our military bases; the danger from.It is very real.
randy khan
I’m trying to figure out if he’s claiming the extensive video of violence that day was made up or something. Because showing people milling around at some indeterminate time doesn’t really contradict the other video. (I did see that he implied that the Capitol Police were okay with what was going on because they didn’t try to arrest people in a mob that outnumbered them 10:1, which is about as honest as his reporting on claims of election fraud.)
And if I see anybody reposting any of Carlson’s video clips on social media, I’m inclined to reply with videos of what really happened.
West of the Rockies
@Ruckus:
Off-topic, but I am so tired of movies and TV shows depicting snarky, quippy middle-aged man-boys. I was watching Comedy Central and there were a ton of commercials for The Wedding Crashers, Grown-ups, The Hangover, etc. And the cartoons basically being watched and created by middle-aged man-children are so fucking juvenile: South Park, Beavis and Butthead, Digman… Talk about dumbing down society.
Rant over.
Christ,
NotMax
Need a new term. Clustertuck?
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NotMax
@West of the Rockies
The Sandlerizing of mass media.
scav
Ahhhh. So the doughy blob of enabling Repubs are suddenly waking up to the notion that one of their reliable lap media has decided the market requires unleashing the tourists upon them. Whoops. Hoist meet Petard.
Jim Appleton
@NotMax:
What do you have against fucking?
Citizen Alan
@PQuincy: Carlson is a buffoon, and the idea of invading Canada is certainly mockable … today. But one reason why Canada dropped off my list of “countries I might emigrate to if I win the lottery” is that I figure we’re about twenty years away from having serious friction with Canada over water rights.
Citizen Alan
@Ruckus: I’m very angry about the fact that with MaxxSouth (the only available rural broadband provider), I have to get cable bundled with my high speed Internet. I need the latter, but I haven’t turned on the tv the cable is hooked up to in months. And yet a portion of my exorbitant cable/internet bill goes to pay for Fox treason and hatemongering religious programming.
West of the Rockies
@NotMax:
Ugh.
NotMax
@Jim Appleton
Don’t care to sully it by association with the Swanson TV spinner.
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Brachiator
Carlson and his Fox News handlers don’t care that they got caught peddling lies. Fair and balanced? More like shameless and brazen.
sab
@Ruckus: My spouse of twenty years pretty much said he would not move in with me unless I got cable, so I got it. Twenty years later we are now old and we still have it. He controls the remote. Sports!
ETA At our monthly office birthday party somebody mentioned cable and everyone laughed. Only three households still have it, and we are all old. But everyone agrees it’s easier to find sports on cable.
ETA When we got together in 2000 I still had only a black and white tv with rabbit ears. I am more a radio person.
OverTwistWillie
@West of the Rockies:
Try the garbage Discovery is dumping on HBO Warner.
RaflW
Unsurprisingly, Paul Ryan doesn’t have the sense to unhitch himself from the Fox wagon. What an absolute dweeb … and sleaze.
RaflW
@Alison Rose: Don’t know who posted it on that birsdhit app, but a reporter reached out to the 9 most frequently seen advertisers on Fox, and none would comment – but their ads were running today.
So, at least at the moment, no exodus.
I am seeing an increased push to get Fox off of DoD hosted TVs around the world. I think it is past time for a coordinated campaign to cut the cable payments to Fox.
eta: @schwartzbCNBC
There’s also another key to this story– despite the Carlson segment and the ongoing lawsuit vs. Fox from Dominion, as of now, no corporate advertisers have said that they’re pausing advertising on Fox News.
I’ve reached out to over a dozen corps who advertise on Fox. No response.
NotMax
@sab
Cue The Outer Limits intro.
;)
LeftCoastYankee
Fool the First to Fool the Second: Here’s all my rope.
gwangung
@RaflW: Of course there isn’t an exodus. Corporations pledged not to support any politician who supported the January 6 insurrection, but when 2022 came around, they sure opened the spigots open.
NotMax
@RaflW
Know for a fact that Fox pays certain hotels, resorts and the like a stipend to have their channel be the one which appears whenever a guest switches on a TV.
Do not know if there’s an arrangement with DoD involving a
bribedonation of some sort.NotMax
@gwangung
It’s Purim. Passover is Exodus.
:)
West of the Rockies
@Brachiator:
Was Fox ever a legit news organization, even if just for its first year in existence? There was campus-wide email warfare at a junior college I used to teach at because they had Fox on in the student cafeteria. Most wanted it removed (it ultimately was removed) but over a few weeks everyday there were dozens of send-to-all emails and forwards arguing over the matter. That was in about ’03.
West of the Rockies
@OverTwistWillie:
Remember when Discovery was actually about science and nature and history?
frosty
@sab: We ditched cable a year ago. You’re right about sports, you can’t get the NFL on any streaming service that doesn’t also carry Fox.
We put up an antenna and I can get the games over the air if I want to watch them. We’re a non-Fox contributing household finally.
sab
@NotMax: My youngest stepchild got me my own uncabled tv. He intended it for our newish sunroom, where unbeknownst to him I only allow radio. It is meant to be a room to read and look outside. Also two (and too) I hate dueling tvs in our small house. One tv is all I can deal with.
I have been stalling on arranging the delivery logistics.
But we are thinking about how to bring it in to run blue ray and dvds without it trapping us into more tv. Also without blocking the view.
Alison Rose
@RaflW: Fucking spineless putzes.
(Also, I read that first as “DnD hosted TVs” and was like wut)
sab
@NotMax: I bought my rabbit ears tv at a yard sale. $10 and it worked great for years and years.
ETA And it was old when I bought it. These new flat screen tvs burn out every five years or so. Mine lasted at least 25.
NotMax
@frosty
Prime includes semi-exclusivity (broadcast availability shared with the pay service NFL Network) for the Thursday night games package, IIRC.
Related:
Ruckus
@NotMax:
Not bad. I’ll think about over night and see if I can think of anything.
Don’t hold your breath….
cain
@Mr. Bemused Senior: If I recall, Kevin did this as part of one of many deals he’s made with the hard liners – I think it was in this blog we thought it was Matt Gaetz who wanted that.
In the end, Kevin looks like a idiot – and he’s now trying to drag his foot with providing it to the other news media – of course, he gave up material to an entertainer before the news media.
sab
Isn’t something financially iffy going on with Sinclair Broadcast? Like they bought up sports broadcasting rights and are now financially on the ropes, so viewers ( their own and others cabled in) get screwed. Husband is deeply worried about this, but I do not know if there is any there there for his concerns.
Major Major Major Major
@sab: much as I do love cathode ray tubes, newer TVs look quite nice! Never had one long enough to have it go bad.
sab
@cain: Kevin doesn’t look like an idiot. He has always been an idiot. Now it is so obvious even the MSM has to acknowledge concerns.
sab
@Major Major Major Major: You sweet summer child… Or maybe you don’t leave it on 18 hours a day like my spouse.
Ruckus
@Citizen Alan:
Sorry about that.
I am fortunate that the two are separate here in SoCal. Not cheap mind you just separate.
I actually haven’t paid for TV for over almost 20 yrs. I did purchase an antenna than is pined to the wall because I’m in sight of all of the LA TV towers on Mt Wilson. It stayed up for one day but I only watched for less than an hour before I took it down and stored it in a rectangular open topped container that I temporarily store things in before I put them in the big storage container that gets emptied every week. Commercial TV is far, far worse than I remember from 20 yrs ago. Oh well never make that mistake again.
NotMax
@sab
Very often my back is to the TV and I primarily listen, turning around only when it seems something crucial is taking place on screen.
Many, many moons ago scored a 25-inch black and white Muntz console TV for (IIRC) 10 for maybe 20 bucks. Fire sale priced because (a) it was second-hand and (b) the picture was angled so everything faced uphill.
Brought it back to my college dorm room and set up a mirror to show the reflection of the screen, unscrewed the rear panel, plugged it in and turned it on. Then wrapped both hands in thick towels and gently grabbed onto and rotated the magnet on the stem of the picture tube until the picture was aligned to true horizontal.
12 years later ended up giving it to my parents, who got yeoman’s service from it for another 20 or so years after that,
Ruckus
@sab:
My boss, about 3 yrs ago took me to a Costco store and offered to buy me a TV and not wanting to argue with the person that signed my checks I let him. So I’ve got a modern TV. I didn’t have one for over a decade before that. And before I retired I built a wall mount for it so now I’ve got a really great way to watch TV with no commercials or movies or even watch the internet if I feel like it. It’s almost as wide diagonally as I am tall and I’m nearly 6 ft. It’s only on many days for an hour or two and I’m fine with that.
NotMax
In #62:
10 for maybe = 10 or maybe
Ruckus
@West of the Rockies:
It wasn’t horrible when it first started broadcasting back in the 90s. The hosts were still tarted up more than other channels but it wasn’t the crap it is now. That started in the second half of the 90s. Now of course it’s complete shit.
sab
I grew up in north central Florida ( Daytona and Ormond.) Our tv all came faintly over the airwaves and by cable from Orlando. My parents wouldn’t do cable, so we got the faintly over the airwaves.
Our favorite was Sea Hunt. We could hear it but the picture was fuzzy. That is pretty much how things looked underwater in the east coast Florida Atlantic. We had no idea that the rest of the (cabled) country saw a crystal clear picture. Divers are groping around under those murky waters. That is how real life looks.
Ruckus
@cain:
In the beginning Kevin looked like an idiot. Because he is a fucking idiot. Gotta call em as I see em.
NotMax
@Major Major Major Major
(knock wood) Flat screen plasma TV 10 years old and still performing like a champ.
Mallard Filmore
@Citizen Alan:
Do you have 5G in your area? Some cell providers will do 5G to a special modem, then wifi (or ethernet) to your computer.
Ruckus
@NotMax:
Mine is like 4 yrs old and looks great. I’m sure if I live long enough I’ll likely need another but I’m not going to worry about it now.
sab
@NotMax: My family, faced with your tv, would have electrocuted the entire clan within a week.
Dealing with us, we need to remember our technical limitations and just lack of common sense limitations.
I had a nephew, in med school, eat unidentified berries in my yard just because they were there and he could.
They were pokeberries, extremely toxic. We just let it ride and he lived. But what about his patients? He is obviously an idiot, practicing medicine. Fortunately he is in neurology where he can’ do much harm or much help.
NobodySpecial
@sab: I have a Sharp Aquos that’s survived 16 years and three moves with me that doesn’t even have a stuck pixel. With TVs, you get what you pay for.
sab
Ponyo my pittmix just got diagnosed with her second mast cell tumor. She is having surgery in two weeks. Vet says caught it early so surgery should do it for now.
She is of a breed (har har she is a mutt, but a pit mix mutt) that tends to get these. Nothing if caught early. Catastrophic if caught late.
sab
@NobodySpecial: I have heard for years that Sharps are special.
NobodySpecial
@sab: They are!
Best wishes for a full and swift recovery for your Ponyo.
frosty
@NotMax: We’ve got Prime for Thursdays but it doesn’t help for Sundays.
BeautifulPlumage
@sab: awe, best wishes for Ponyo’s recovery!
Bruce K in ATH-GR
Tucker Carlson is effectively a 21st-century equivalent of William Joyce, better known as Lord Haw-Haw. He deserves the same level of derision, disgust, and ultimately, deplatforming (preferably in the manner that Mr. Joyce was deplatformed in early 1946).
BeautifulPlumage
@sab: didn’t you say a day or two ago that you would be in Seattle 4/3- 4/5? We were pining for
the fjordsa Seattle area meetup. I think DanB was part of It. If so…let’s do it!Odie Hugh Manatee
@Ruckus:
I think a burnout on Tucker’s face with a studded snow tire would be a good starting point.
Need traction to get places and see things!
bjacques
@Citizen Alan: clearly Biden missed his opportunity to invade Canada when his polling was under water, like President Alan Alda before him, in “Canadian Bacon”!
Montanareddog
@Bruce K in ATH-GR:
That is a reprehensible remark. And absolutely hilarious.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
@Montanareddog:
We live in reprehensible times. I didn’t think I’d be living through a time when we were seriously talking about Article 3, Section 3 with respect to a major US political party, but here we are.
Central Planning
@Citizen Alan: To follow-up on what Mallard Fillmore wrote: my in-laws had shitty DSL for internet. Painfully slow – couldn’t stream anything, could barely send/receive email.
I learned about Calyx Institute, a privacy focused non-profit that offers unlimited 4G and 5G internet through a small device in your home that provides WiFi for connectivity. They have different plans, but it brought them high speed internet (maybe 20mbs) at about the same price as their DSL. If you have T-Mobile service in your area, it might be a good fit.
And, ugh, that sounds I’m schilling for them. I am just a happy son-in-law with fewer tech support calls.
Manyakitty
@sab: sending love for you and Ponyo!
prostratedragon
@Citizen Alan: If reports I’ve seen about increasing drought and water worries in Europe are accurate, the number of places where water won’t be an issue during many of our lifetimes is dwindling rapidly.
Kay
@Scout211:
The Dominion lawsuit is huge for Fox but the Sandy Hook parents suing Alex Jones and Infowars was prior to Dominion and really sets the stage for Fox being held accountable for Carlson’s lies about (for example) individual police officers on J6. The Sandy Hook parents were the first to go after the liars in far Right media for damages.
Frankensteinbeck
@prostratedragon:
The Rhine is back to normal.
Gvg
@sab: No they don’t, at least mine haven’t. Of course they haven’t been around 25 years for me to test and I don’t watch as much as most people but I don’t know anyone who has has one burn out. At least 10 years….now people have been upgrading because larger ones have gotten so cheap that prior large ones now seem small.
What I am saying is you may have run into a lemon or bad brand. But you can still dislike TV. I prefer books myself, and read the internet a lot more.
WereBear
@Citizen Alan: In NY the Atorrney General at the time sued them into Spectrum, a company they operate under held to higher standards they actually comply with. It’s confusing but it means something compared to what other people deal with, it seems.
Also, we’re town rural. If we went full rural, that would be a satellite issue, and we can’t run an internet business that way.
An upstate NY goat dairy tried, but it took forever for them to download just the orders each day at their speeds. There’s an economic lever for you.
We’d have to build in a commute to reliable internet kind of arrangement or lose the business. Or, let the Democrats expand broadband like the electricity of this century.
Chris Johnson
@Mr. Bemused Senior: It is right on the edge of collapse, because it’s the Russia wing of the GOP, and Russia is right on the edge of collapse.
The treason GOP are all consistent, and all hate each other passionately with the force only reserved for those who are in it with you, could betray you, and aren’t doing the job well enough to protect you.
Back in the day they feared being whacked by Putin, but Putin’s old and sick and losing Ukraine, so now they fear everything. And rightly so.
WereBear
We were able to stop cable and only get Internet because of our NY AG, so we’re years into streaming. Made me even more sensitive to commercials.
But Youtube is a similar, if more controllable, alternative that keeps me up on the latest prescription drugs and vacation options. I guess there was pent-up demand.
raven
@WereBear: We have fiber so streaming is it for us. I’m a sports person and YouTube TV is great. I use the unlimited DVR all the time and it’s changed the way I watch games. I used to be chained to time but now I just have to avoid finding out the score of what I want to watch. I don’t stay up late so I just record 9pm games and watch them when I get up at 5!
Matt McIrvin
Honestly I have a hard time believing Tucker Carlson or Fox will pay any price for any of this. It’s more likely that Carlson’s version will just take over as official Republican reality and the dissenters will recant or go quiet. If Murdoch decides not to push it, maybe it won’t. But he’s changed his mind to go with the flow before.
Shalimar
@cain: The mob most likely would have hanged McCarthy if they had caught him. And I’m betting more than half of those who voted for him for Speaker have sent Tucker-like messages to friends privately regretting that Kevin survived. His throne is not made of anything sturdy.
Betty Cracker
@raven: My brother and sister also watch games when it’s convenient, and I’m happy for them. But I miss the camaraderie of watching games at the same time, even if we aren’t in the same space. We used to text each other during games to complain about calls, question strategy, exult in scores, etc. Now half the time, one or the other will text back STFU! I’M NOT WATCHING IT YET! Le sigh.
WereBear
@raven: The time shift angle is great. We can still watch our DVD collection.
WereBear
@Betty Cracker: Early Twitter worked like that with hashtag Fandom. I liked it.
satby
@BeautifulPlumage: no, that was me, I think. 4/7-4/9
Shalimar
Why is Morning Joe doing their International Women’s Day show in Abu Dhabi? UAE is not high on the list of places where women have equal rights.
Chief Oshkosh
@sab: Are there data on this, showing that age-related cable subscription rates? It’d be interesting. Anecdotally, the ONLY people I know who’ve “cut the cord” are over 60, but I haven’t conducted a survey of all acquaintances.
Baud
@Shalimar:
Scandinavia is cold this time of year.
ETA: Ukraine’s first lady is there.
So is Hillary.
Kay
@Shalimar:
OMG. Unbelievable.
The answer to your question is they don’t actually care about women – it’s like a…slogan with absolutely no substance or action behind it. “That’s it for the ladies this year! We said International Womens Day out loud!”
Viva BrisVegas
@different-church-lady:
Lachlan Murdoch has got a good 50 years left in him and he’s a True Believer.
prostratedragon
@Frankensteinbeck: That’s good news.
Kay
@Shalimar:
However.
Also? Domestic violence is legal but only by men against women and children, not the other way ’round.
Just a super great place for womens rights.
Betty Cracker
@WereBear: It worked like that for me right up until Musk screwed the pooch, the bastard.
LiminalOwl
@piratedan: And Newsweek: America’s Covid Response Was Based on Lies. (Apologies if this has already been discussed here. I haven’t been able to read much for a few days, and I would appreciate BJ responses.) tl;dr: “science” doesn’t support isolation/distancing, antivaxxers shouldn’t be “censored,” lives weren’t saved by measures, etc. ad nauseam.
schrodingers_cat
@LiminalOwl: IIRC, wasn’t Newsweek bought by some RWNJ?
Baud
@LiminalOwl:
The Covid revisionism like the Jan 6 revisionism are just two variations of conservative Lost Cause-ism. The best time to rewrite history is when everyone else has moved on from it.
hueyplong
@Baud: As indicated by your choice of terms, they learned it from their Confederate ancestors (either literal or spiritual).
LiminalOwl
@West of the Rockies: omg yes. Spouse and I have been watching Only Murders in the Building, and every f’ing commercial break is ads for shows of that sort. The rest are missing-kids thrillers (not a genre that interests us) and psych meds.
Kay
@Shalimar:
My husband watches and plays tennis and isn’t particularly focused on womens rights and even he commented on the tournaments in Dubai with the female athletes and (wealthy) female spectator tourists – tennis crowds are generally well off- in these countries that are really restrictive to the women in a way that would never be accepted if the laws and rules applied to men.
Try this:
People would be horrified. Because it’s women it’s just, “yawn, that’s the way it is, book the rooms”
Wanderer
@Citizen Alan: Canadian actor Paul Gross produced, wrote and starred in a film on this topic titled H2O. It is well worth a view. It’s an old film and will be hard to find but well worth watching. Canada is very aware of their neighbors to the south.
trnc
What the chief LEO thinks, and not what he saw with his own eyes?
Coward.
trnc
@oldgold:
He said it Jan 4. But you’re right – there is no bottom.
LiminalOwl
An oldie but goodie from some of my favorite singer-songwriters: Fox News.
ETtheLibrarian
I am wondering when his white, male shield of invincibility will finally crack under the strain of repeated blows. But then I guess he has enough money to buy another one.
trnc
@kalakal: I’m surprised that Fox isn’t shutting Tucker down, since the latest lie-fest demonstrates a continuing pattern and apparently zero attempts to rectify.
Kay
@Matt McIrvin:
The Dominion lawsuit (and the Sandy Hook lawsuits before it) really are different though. Fox and the far Right destroyed Dominion’s business for no other reason than to promote their own careers and financial inrerests – a narrow list of careers, specific people– the Fox personalties (Carlson, etc) and Ruopert Murdoch. It’s outrageous. The same was true of Sandy Hook. Alex Jones made millions of dollars off torturing the parents of the murdered children- they were not going away quietly.
This company and these people are like collateral damage of the Fox hosts and owners greed and careerism. Fox and the Fox hosts make money off these lies, exactly like Alex Jones and Infowars did. There are damages.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: We’re going backward not only on reproductive freedom but women’s rights in general. I’m not sure exactly when that happened. You can point to events along the way that illustrate the truth of it, but I’m not quite sure when or why Americans stopped giving a shit about achieving women’s equality. Maybe we never really did, but it seems like we used to…
Amir Khalid
@LiminalOwl:
Who reads Newsweek any more? Or TIME, for that matter? As weekly news publications, they simply didn’t stand a chance when news cycles shrank from days to minutes. Newsweek started getting loopy in its desperate dying days as a print mag, even before the RWNJ (whose name escapes me) acquired it. TIME went through a slower, more genteel decline into irrelevance. Now they’re just me-too news sites indistinguishable from the others in that crowd.
Kay
@ETtheLibrarian:
They’re really trapped career-wise once they join Fox. They can’t work anywhere else for the kind of money they get at Fox, so the incentives to moderate or be truthful just aren’t there. Fox is it for them. It’s why you see the utter panic in the correspondence about the far Right base abandoning them for ever-more radical entertainment.
If Fox goes down, they all end up like this:
Dorothy A. Winsor
@sab: Poor Ponyo. I hope the surgery goes easily and well, and she’s back on her four feet quickly
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
The only kind of centrist/moderate discussion we’ve had on womens rights in the US for the last ten years is “are women and girls doing too well at school, therefore harming men and boys?”
There is an underground movement to get lower income women in states where women have lesser rights to states where women have the full set of rights for medical care, though. It’s exciting to be part of, really. It feels like going back to basic “activism”- starting from scratch. I think we have to start over and reexamine all our assumptions. We’re losing ground.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: Women in the third-most populous state are about to join the ranks of those who have to leave their state to access modern healthcare. I’ll do a post on that later if I have time.
OverTwistWillie
@trnc:
They have been rudderless since Roger Ailes took the gig at SONN (Satan’s Own News Network).
Uncle Cosmo
A North American Fuckheads Opposition? Gotcha.
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
Oh, great.
I’m pissed it doesn’t get more attention – not here, but in media- as I may have ….mentioned :)
I just read a long article lauding a centrist, “liberaltarian” think tank ( recycling that bullshit again- we’re going to bring libertarians in and form a coalition!) and there is no mention of the rollback of womens rights in the US.
I’m sick of it. I’m not fucking doing any more unpaid work for the rest of the Dem coalition unless I see some more solidarity on this issue. I’ll strike. There’s plenty to do outside of official channels just ferrying women around and covering costs of travel.
linnen
Ruckus @ 65;
The fox News personality in the ’90’s may not have been true believers (not that they necessarily are today), they were that bad then. I remember after Dubya was elected and before 9/11, that one of the anchors was reported to ask their management if they would be reporting on his presidency the same way they did the Clinton presidency, and he was shut down fast. Murdoch explicitly stated in the early years that the channel was going for the same audience as Rush Limbaugh and radio shock jocks.
As the Maya Angelou saying goes, “When they show you who they are, believe them.” And boy did they, from early on.
Skepticat
Saw this on a blog yesterday.
If the 9/11 commission had given Tucker Carlson exclusive footage of that day, we’d be watching angry buildings crash into peaceful, stationary planes.
Spot on.
Uncle Cosmo
@Bruce K in ATH-GR: Butbutbut we already have Dredgelord Haw-Hawley in the Senate from Misery… another pencilnecked geek who deserves drastic deplatforming.
Daoud bin Daoud
@NotMax: Little Lord Fishsticks is more of an M&M picker than a cherry picker.
opiejeanne
@BeautifulPlumage: That’s Satby. She’ll be in Seattle sometime in April. I’m not seeing the dates right now, will have to dig them out on the bird app.
RaflW
@NobodySpecial: We have an Olevia flat screen TV that came with our Colorado condo. The company went out of business in 2009, but I suspect the set is even older. The bezel is ridiculously large, and I thought it was a kind of crappy TV, but then the association upgraded to HD cable and voila, it was just crap signal. Going HD hasn’t changed the crap content, however (thankful for things like PBS’s Create so I can watch Rick Steves nerdily grinning across Europe, or some cooking shows, tho).
Bugboy
JFC, isn’t that pretty much what John Stewart told him back in the bad ‘ole “Crossfire” days? Stewart said they were “hurting the country”. The Confused Dogface heard “I’m a comedian!” and from it learned “What a great dodge!”…
dnfree
@sab: We have a Sony 42” TV we bought to watch the super bowl in 2006 and it’s still doing fine. It’s not smart, though.
We still pay for cable just because I don’t want to mess with all the individual sources, but we now have some of them anyway. Tennis is important in our household.
LiminalOwl
@schrodingers_cat: Yes, I think so. I don’t read it regularly, but the article came across my newsfeed and I read it. I guess I thought Newsweek still had some pretension of being a reputable news source. The more fool I.