Daylight Savings vibes
pic.twitter.com/Ahe2ROrzY2— Nicole Trauma Llama ?? APRN, CNS (@TraumaSoapBoxes) March 12, 2023
The age of the morning people is over. The time of the night owls has come. https://t.co/g1pV5LFUAF
— Inez Stepman ?????? (@InezFeltscher) March 11, 2023
I personally would be glad if my junior senator could get what he wants here, but since I spent 15 years in Michigan (at the far western end of the eastern time zone), I wouldn’t bet a storebought cookie on his chances…
Once again, Americans will set their clocks forward an hour this Sunday — teeing up more evening sunshine but also a few days of confused circadian rhythms, missed appointments and groggy mornings from coast to coast.
And once again, the lawmaker dubbed the “Sun King” is vowing that this can be the year that Congress ends the nation’s much-maligned, twice-yearly time changes.
“Americans want more sunshine in the chilly, winter months, and Congress can deliver that to them,” said Sen. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.), who got the Sun King nickname after he passed legislation extending daylight saving time in 1985, and again in 2005. Now, Markey is one of the sponsors of a bipartisan bill that would allow states to lock in permanent daylight saving time, enabling them to “spring forward” one final time and never “fall back” again…
The twice-yearly time change has long vexed Americans, who generally say in surveys that they want to do away with it, but aren’t unified on how to replace it. Studies have also shown a greater risk of heart attacks, strokes and traffic accidents in the days immediately after a time change. According to a 2022 Monmouth University poll, 44 percent of respondents wanted permanent daylight saving time, 13 percent wanted permanent standard time — and 35 percent wanted to stick with the system we have.
The fight has drawn an array of unlikely combatants: school groups fretting about children waiting at dark bus stops, golf course owners who want to maximize hours that players can spend on the links and religious Americans who worry about missing morning prayers before work. The American Medical Association also waded in last November with an endorsement of permanent standard time.…
I’m retired, apart from the hours I put in on this blog every day, so switching to permanent standard time would be fine by me as well. It’s the switching-over part that breaks our brains twice a year, after all.
Just because it made me laugh out loud:
(Drew Sheneman via GoComics.com)
Baud
You are my window into the world, AL.
frosty
@Baud: I second that.
Baud
Two notes on Silicon Valley Bank.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I’d prefer permanent standard time as well. I’ve always liked getting up early. It would be nice to do it in at least faint daylight.
@Baud: As far as I can tell, people can’t even tell the debt limit from the annual budget so I’d say they have no idea what breaching it would mean
Baud
Instead of changing the time twice a year, we should just make minutes shorter.
Viva BrisVegas
I want decimal time.
prostratedragon
The long days coming up make me a bit stressed; I’m a pretty extreme night owl. 3am first light could cause me to make headlines some July. But it is like trying to share a blanket that’s too small up here at and above 40 degrees north.
prostratedragon
@Baud: Heh.
Ohio Mom
I didn’t mind the switching over as much before GW moved the dates.
We had a later start date in the spring and that meant the days were getting noticeably longer by themselves. It wasn’t as stark a change.
Then in the fall, the days are getting shorter and postponing the end of daylight savings time makes it get really dark when it finally does end.
Before GW, Trick or Treating, which is from 6-8 around here, was in twilight and darkness. Now the first hour is daylight. Seems to go against the Halloween spirit.
Ken
I decided some years ago that most such arguments for (or against!) any change are somewhat bogus, in that towns in the far west or east of their zone are already suffering the supposed ill effects. Which of Michiana, Michigan or Michiana Shores, Indiana is the site of utter carnage at the school bus stops — or do they trade off, one taking the hit in November and one in March?
H.E.Wolf
Everything old is new again…
https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/03/15/the-us-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-70s-people-hated-it/
:-)
Baud
The reason we standardized our time in the first place was because of the railroads. Always bending over for industry.
delphinium
@Dorothy A. Winsor: I’d prefer it lighter in the mornings as well.
SFAW
@Baud:
I wish that mofo would just build his private island in the bottom of the Marianas, as he keep threatening, move there, and give up his citizenship in the tax hellhole known as the USofA.
I have yet to see anything (except perhaps PayPal) he’s done that’s helped Americans, and most of his actions have harmed persons not named Peter Thiel.
Kristine
Instead of rising at 6:40am and looking forward to the first cup of coffee ☕️ and easing into whatever needs doing, I’m up at 7:40am and already feeling like I’m running behind.
I hate the time change. Pick one and stick with it.
zhena gogolia
@Kristine: I HATE IT
Matt McIrvin
A while back Paul Campos complained that it was emblematic of legislative failure that we couldn’t get motion on this even though there was a broad national consensus, but there isn’t a broad national consensus–almost nobody wants to retain the changeover, but we are deeply divided on whether to go to year-round DST or year-round Standard.
Furthermore, this division is not partisan! Which you favor seems to bear no relation to whether you are a liberal or a conservative. I think that actually makes it harder because it’s difficult to get a bloc together.
As a person whose brain tends to run late by the clock, I used to strongly favor year-round DST but people making the opposite case have convinced me that at the very least this isn’t the hill to die on.
Gvg
I like the current system. It works pretty well for me. Sure I don’t care for the getting up earlier for a week or so but my pets have been waking me up earlier for awhile now because they think daylight means food. I can’t wait for the extra hour of daylight after work in the garden. On the other hand, in the winter I hate coming home in the dark.
please remember we tried permanent daylight savings time when I was a kid and people hated it, say it over and over, people got what they said they wanted and they hated it. It is not better. It does not fit how we actually function. Daylight savings is just a way of meshing clocks and time cards and paychecks with the earths wobbly rotation.
Jeffg166
I don’t notice the time change much. I get up early. Never the same time every day.
sab
@Baud: Also my window on the world. Not joking. You are.
Anonymous at Work
@$_#_#&+_& -$&[email protected]#[email protected] $&@[email protected]** ‘#[email protected]$#[email protected]_#_ing time shift
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: Making the time differences as simple as possible is a boon in a world where people have a lot of global Zoom meetings. India being on a 30-minute time zone is frustratingly fiddly, but at least the whole country is in the same zone. And we’re the ones shifting it twice a year.
JMG
The time change does not bother me when it’s spring forward. When it’s fall back that first pre-5 p.m. sunset is depressing, but it’s not disruptive. The biggest effect of the change today is that we’ll start having dinner later, without even noticing most days.
Chris T.
We should all just be on UTC (GMT).
(yes, I know these are technically different, and then we can argue UT0, UT1, etc., but do I really need a “/s”?)
Mai Naem mobile
@Baud: part of me wonders if Thiel shorted SVB. He doesn’t look stupid enough to have flushed down a ton of money in crypto but who knows. I am just wondering if he shorted this to make up for some other unexpected huge loss he’s incurred. I also read somewhere that the SVB CEO sold $3M of his stock a couple of weeks ago. If that’s the case, he better have a really really good excuse for doing that.
Baud
@Mai Naem mobile:
The imminent bank failure was about to make his stock worthless?
Betty Cracker
I love this (The Hill):
Biden’s design choice sounds like an updated version of the Kennedy color scheme, whereas Trump’s was a tacky, jingoistic flying Lee Greenwood tour bus.
I am in favor of obliterating every trace of the Trump tackiness from our national symbols and institutions. It’s impossible to eradicate the stain entirely, of course. But we should apply hot water and Bar Keepers Friend with a firm-bristled scrubbing brush at every opportunity.
Matt McIrvin
@JMG: Speaking personally, the extra evening sunlight on DST cheers me up much more than the extra morning sunlight on Standard, but that might just be because there’s less to go around in the winter–there’s nothing you can really do about that, aside from moving to the tropics.
My daughter prefers to have more morning sunlight just because it makes it easier to get up for school. She strongly advocates year-round Standard Time even though she’s got teenage night-owl tendencies.
But the other side of the coin is that it’s the sleep-disruption effect of the spring-forward shift that really knocks me in the head for about a week, whereas the compensation for winter afternoon darkness is that that shift back in the fall actually helps me with sleep for a short time. I think the fact that it’s only an hour might actually make it harder to adjust than with jet lag after a long trip, because it’s small enough that on some subconscious level you expect there to be no adjustment.
NotMax
Daylight Saving Time rocks.
Maddow now on at 3 pm., O’Donnell at 4, which doesn’t interfere much with afternoon siesta.
Also can make regular calls to Mom on the east coast at 5 local time instead of staying awake until 6 (don’t want to get saddled with interrupting any prime time viewing). She’s still a creature of scheduling rather than time shifting — old dog, new tricks and all that.
sab
@NotMax:
You all in the mid-Pacific time zone. Good morning
ETA very very early morning.
p.a.
I’m a “just pick one and stick with it” but with a preference for standard time, but then I’m also in favor of New England moving to Atlantic Time in preparation for our secession and union with Canada.
Matt McIrvin
@Betty Cracker: The scheme Trump favored looked a lot like the paint scheme on Trump’s private 757, turned upside down.
Princess
@Ohio Mom: I agree. I never really noticed the time change until GWBush made it all so much worse. As he did with so many things.
sab
@p.a.: Good luck there.We only think they are perfect. They have their own flaws.
NotMax
Shove it up yer mint julep, Tennessee.
Proud Mary
:)
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Percysowner
@Ohio Mom: Boy I agree that making DST shorter would help a lot.
I prefer Standard Time. It is more in line with my natural sleep cycle. I have to get up early to take care of grandkids and I know that they will not adjust easily to this. Well, the 5 year old will have problems, she will be so tired in the mornings and not willing to go to bed at night. The 6 month old will simply not change his schedule and I will have to deal with different times to feed him.
As much as I prefer Standard Time, I just want them to stop changing the clocks. Pick one, either one and stick with it.
raven
It’ll be dark when Artie meets the kids for her morning treats!
Chris T.
Alternate proposal: move “enter DST” to Jan 2 and “switch from DST back to standard time” to Dec 31.
sab
@Princess: Agreeing moiji if only I understood emojis.
NotMax
@sab
And we never change clocks here. Same time year ’round.
Chris T.
@NotMax: Yeah, Hawaii and Arizona have the right idea: just be tropical!
JMG
Because few if any Americans are old enough to remember summer Standard Time, they do not factor in the reality of 4 a.m. sunrises as part of their lives when they argue for year round Standard Time. Those with dogs as pets especially would do well to consider this.
trnc
Wouldn’t it be nice if some enterprising young journalist would ask him to explain how any tax passed by either branch of congress in the last 40 years would make him less than a billionaire if that bill were (was?) passed today.
RedDirtGirl
I struggle with depression and the loss of light in the winter is an added weight, even with my S.A.D. light. I count the days until I get that light back.
Matt McIrvin
There are wilder ideas. Some tech-bro types have floated the idea of just eliminating local time entirely–put everyone on UTC and just get used to doing things at new, weird times. It’d certainly make software easier to write and business meetings easier to manage, but at the expense of nearly everything else.
Percysowner
@JMG:
@JMG:
Walking my dog is one of the reasons I want summer standard time. That way I can walk her in the morning before I go to work instead of just taking her out to potty. It’s so dark and so hard to walk her when it’s not only cold, but dark. Then I have to find a time to work in a second walk after I come home because it’s not fair to her not to get her walks.
Matt McIrvin
@JMG: People who have to get up early for work in the morning are factoring that in and consider it a feature.
NotMax
@Chris T.
And then there was Double Summer Time.
Oh, those eccentric Brits.
sab
Not Max: You are at the top of my list of favorite commenters, but…Have I ever said how much I truly hate you sneaking You Tube into your comments without any warning? Loud, impossibble to shut off quickly.
ETA Please warn if You Tube.
RedDirtGirl
@Betty Cracker: “But we should apply hot water and Bar Keepers Friend with a firm-bristled scrubbing brush at every opportunity.”
Saw this wording and knew exactly who wrote it before I checked the author!
narya
For Penzey’s fans: they’re running another $50-gift-cards-for-$35 through today.
Anonymous at Work
Worst experience with Daylight Savings is that I have one major conference a year, typically November (yes, my trade association knows where it ranks, sadly), and it changes between coasts and flyover spots.
So, one year, went from Eastern Daylight to Pacific Standard. 4 hour flip had a third of the convention out of sorts and really screwed our free day. It was Sam Diego, too. Such a waste of beautiful weather and sights.
NotMax
@sab
Figured anyone can hover the cursor over any link first to investigate where it leads. I know I do, as a matter of course.
I do try to ration the more — er, um — energetic links for the weekends.
SFAW
@Baud:
Well, outside of that.
Always with the nitpicking, you are.
O. Felix Culpa
@NotMax:
The cursor thing works on the computer/laptop, but not so much on the smarty-pants phone. My solution is to almost never click on links when using the phone, to avoid downloading unwanted pdfs or surprising noisy YouTubes.
sab
@NotMax: Apparently you are more sophisticated on the internet than I am. I will work on that.
Thanks really. I should have known. Live and learn.
Emoji smile to you, because always glad to hear from you.
SFAW
@Betty Cracker:
Including tackiness like Matt Gaetz, Gym Jordan, and the rest of them?
sab
@O. Felix Culpa: So now I know. My Nook can be an idiot online.
Baud
@O. Felix Culpa: On your phone, long press on the link. You should be able to see the URL.
satby
@JMG: Yeah, that’s one of the reasons people hated year round standard time. I’ve never been bothered by the change, but I agree that it’s more noticeable starting before the equinox. Those who like earlier morning light will be getting it in another month anyway, and those of us who can’t drive after dark get a little more time to finish errands or have a dinner out. Edit: tbf: I only sleep about 6-7 hours a night anyway, so I have a wacky circadian cycle.
Math Guy
Now that GPS is ubiquitous, watches, time displays on cars, phones, etc., should change continuously with change in longitude: back one hour per 15 degrees movement west, forward one hour per 15 degrees movement east. Let’s be done with time zones once and for all.
sab
Almost 10 am here in eastern daylight savings time.
But my bed is warm, outside is cold, and my sleeping pitbull is snoring. So sleeping in.
Michael Bersin
I grew up in Southern Arizona – no Daylight Savings Time. Attended graduate music school in Connecticut – I did figure DST out.
We were in the middle of an opera performance run with a Sunday afternoon matinee. No one explained DST to a violinist who was a foreign student. That Sunday she showed up in the pit an hour into the opera performance, confused, mortified, and finally, distraught – in the music business showing up late for a performance is a mortal sin.
My first thought at the time was, “there but for the grace of God…” My second thought, she should have gone to school in Arizona…
NotMax
@sab
Creeping up on 4 a.m. Chilly, and wide awake. Perhaps an additional double vodka martini is in order.
;)
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lowtechcyclist
FWIW, you don’t need to go to year-round DST to go to year-round DST. You just re-draw the time zone lines, so that you’re in the next time zone to the east. Same difference, totally equivalent.
If you’re in western Michigan, for instance, and you already feel like you’re one time zone too far to the east, then that’s already happened to you. You’ve already got year-round DST, and if you officially have DST on top of that, then you’ve effectively got double DST from March through October.
O. Felix Culpa
@Baud:
Let me try that trick…eet works! Thank you! Old dog has learned something new. Filled my quota for the
dayweekyear.Suzanne
I like taking the kids to the park after work. So count me in favor of springing forward. But whatever. I just dislike the change. Just pick one and stick with it.
Ironically, when I lived in AZ, it was an annoyance not to change, because half the year, I would have to tell people we were on Mountain time and half the year on Pacific.
P Thomas
The only thing worse about Daylight Saving Time are all the endless Daylight Saving Time stories that are cut and pasted from last year’s Daylight Saving Time stories. Rolling my eyes again and going back to sleep.
lowtechcyclist
Thanks to the header of this post, I’ve got the PA voices from the Future Fair in Firesign Theatre’s “I Think We’re All Bozos on This Bus” going through my head.
“Hello! We’re glad you made it! Welcome to The Future!”
“Live in The Future! It’s just starting now!”
“The Future is fun! The Future is Fair! You may already have one! You may already be there!”
Well, I must go where the Bozos go…
Stevo
Permanent DST please! Dark at freaking 4:30 in Boston. The best week is when that clock moves up. Emerging from the darkness is such a relief. This kids in the dark in the morning thing is bs. I see plenty of kids leaving school etc in the dark in the evening in winter with afterschool care/sports etc.
lowtechcyclist
@NotMax:
Twenty-five or (twenty-) six to four?
Enjoy the earworm. ;-)
Dorothy A. Winsor
I just finished resetting the time on our programmable thermostats, where I squinted at the am/pm part because I wasn’t sure it was right and the font was so teeny beany than even my magnifying glass didn’t help. I wound up having to use my phone which magnified things nicely.
artem1s
Whatever they choose to do, I just want them to stop moving it around. And if we have to pick one, wouldn’t it make sense to pick the one we already spend most of the year in? The majority of workers are getting up and leaving work in the dark over the winter anyway. If businesses really cared about what the sun was doing at any time of the year, they would shift their opening and closing times during the winter. The problem is the Scrooges who run things in the US want the worker bees to be available 24/7 no matter what the sun is doing. Maybe the thing that is broken here is the expectation that businesses and schools have to conform to some artificial concept of immovable ‘business hours’. Maybe the reason this is only a thing in the US isn’t because of it’s size. Maybe it’s got something to do with so many company’s are unable to treat their workers with dignity. If the Robber Barons want their first AM tee time, maybe they should consider moving back their own company’s opening time rather than forcing the whole country (and the sun) to accommodate them. Maybe try some flex time for parents who don’t have easily accessible childcare while they are at it too.
Matt McIrvin
@lowtechcyclist: That’s not cost-free, though: time zone boundaries often reflect who people in the area consider it advantageous to share a time zone with. Eastern Time has a swollen extent because the big and prosperous cities of the US East Coast and eastern Canada are all on it. And if you’re in the Midwest, being on Central puts you in the same zone as Chicago, so that extends way to the west. Transitioning into the next zone over gets rid of the “extra DST” issue but now you’re in a different zone from the cities you might have wanted to favor.
Nelle
So. We’re still recovering from Friday, when we had all three grandkids, ages 5, 4, and 8 months. The baby was clingy and refusing his bottle. While preoccupied with that, I didn’t notice that the noisy girls were unusually quiet. I found them in a closet with scissors, having whacked their shoulder length hair in varying lengths. A couple of hours later, the four year old threw up over the sofa, some blankets, and stuffed animals. When they all finally left, my husband started throwing up, then me. Saturday was to bring an inch of snow;it brought between 6 and 7 inches of wet, heavy snow. We were going to start shoveling this morning, but neighbors with snow blowers already cleared it, out of sheer neighborliness, not knowing we were sick. Now, we need to return to laundry.
I guess we’re seen as the old geezers of the neighborhood (husband is 79, I’m on the cusp of 72).
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Nelle: The day will come when this will make a funny story. But that is not this day
NotMax
(YouTube music links.)
Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?.
Time Has Come Today.
Time Is.
different-church-lady
For fuck’s sake, MOVE THE CLOCKS FORWARD HALF AN HOUR AND LEAVE THEM THERE FOREVER!!!
Betty Cracker
@Nelle: Jeez, you poor things! I hope the parents weren’t upset about the impromptu haircuts. Good on your neighbors for pitching in.
Ripley
@Viva BrisVegas: Back in the late 90’s, Swatch floated the idea of a “1,000 beat day” and even had a desktop applet for it. It was amusing but never caught on. I don’t think they made an actual watch with that function.
@Matt McIrvin: Our intranet platform at work has a Staging entity and a Production entity . For some reason, the Production side will honor our Central time zone setting, but the Staging side sometimes simply refuses. It makes things very interesting for recognizing Staff birthdays/anniversaries or scheduling overnight announcements.
Add DST weekend and I might as well camp out overnight and visit each department personally. (DST changes are a big deal because of EHR and atomic clocks in the 24/7 departments.)
Matt McIrvin
@different-church-lady:
It’d make it much easier for anyone who does conferences with India, I’ll say that.
lowtechcyclist
@JMG:
This. Dogs aside, daylight from 4am to 8pm in the summer is really kinda silly. Few are up between 4 and 5am (though with my early a.m. insomnia, I’m usually one of them), but pretty much everyone’s up between 8 and 9pm. Might as well have that daylight where people can take advantage of it.
And in the dead of winter when there’s only 10 hours of daylight, I’d rather have that daylight be from 7am to 5pm than from 8am to 6pm, and I’m sure nearly all parents with schoolchildren waiting for the bus would concur.
To me, it’s well worth a few days of adjustment twice a year to have the daylight be where it’s most useful. My only complaint is that they start DST too early in the not-quite-spring. All of a sudden, it’s too damned dark in the mornings again.
The last weekend in March would be good; the second weekend is way too soon.
Betty Cracker
I met some friends for lunch at a restaurant in Ybor City (Tampa neighborhood), where I had the best Thai panang curry I’ve ever had in my life (admittedly a limited sample). The curry sauce was perfectly balanced and had just the right touch of heat (you could order varying levels, and I chose medium). The vegetables were crisp and tender. I’m going to try to replicate it at home. If anyone knows of a great panang curry recipe as a starter, please share!
Nelle
@Betty Cracker: They aren’t upset with us. And I was impressed that my son told them that the parents would listen if they wanted their hair to look different but that they weren’t to do it themselves. Ha. He always had short hair so doesn’t understand the impulse. Funny enough, my great niece in California whacked her hair the same day, so there must have been a message from the Universe on their frequency.
different-church-lady
@Matt McIrvin:
End of sentence And it isn’t even a while back
kalakal
I’m a DST fan. I’d rather have some light after I finish work than have some light on my way to work. I’m a keen gardner. I’ve lived fairly far North, made no difference then it was dark on the way to work, dark on the way home. As I’m on the west of the ET zone it gets dark early so another reason I’m pro DST
Steeplejack
@Anonymous at Work:
$#%&! margin breaker.
delphinium
@Nelle:
Glad that at least your neighbors cleared the snow for you! There are a couple folks in my area who regularly do that for their neighbors too.
Nelle
@lowtechcyclist: One thing I like about this neighborhood is that there are a lot of larks here. Maybe a lot of them are first generation off the farm. But in the summer, if I walk at 5:30, there are a lot of others out walking, lights are on in the houses, and it feels like we are all greeting a new day. There could be as many night owls, but I wouldn’t know, being tucked up in bed.
Matt McIrvin
@Ripley: They did make watches that could optionally display “Beat time”; the whole thing seems to have been a promotional campaign for the watches.
The weirdest wrinkle to the whole thing was that they built a microsatellite called “Beatnik” or “Sputnik ’99”, to be hand-deployed from the Mir space station, that was supposed to broadcast time-synchronization information and ads over an amateur-radio frequency; there was a public uproar over this and the satellite ended up being deployed with the radio disabled, rendering it completely functionless.
different-church-lady
@Anonymous at Work: Once did a three day trip from the east coast to Arizona. While I was there the time changed for the rest of the country. When I got back home I was just lost about where to move my brain clock.
Betty Cracker
@Nelle: Hahaha! Great response from your son!
My sister and I gave each other the most godawful haircuts at about that age. We both had long hair, and we botched it so badly that a professional had to give us pixie-style cuts so it could grow out evenly, which exposed us to unkind comments in town! ;-)
Omnes Omnibus
So many people seem cranky this morning, Didn’t you get a good night’s sleep?
different-church-lady
@lowtechcyclist: we could always just go back to local time everywhere…
different-church-lady
@Omnes Omnibus: I did, and soon I plan to get a good morning’s sleep too.
Matt McIrvin
@lowtechcyclist: The DST period used to be shorter (and it went back to the short period after the year-round experiment in the early 70s); it was extended a bit in 1986 and then again in 2009. The most culturally significant change is probably that it now extends until just after Halloween, which means that it’s easier for the really little kids to go out trick-or-treating while it’s still light.
NotMax
Those who remember the movies on CBS shown under the titles of The Late Show and The Late, Late Show will immediately recognize the theme music used for both as being a snippet The Syncopated Clock.
Chris T.
@different-church-lady: Set all the clocks to 11:30 PM and stop them there. That way it’s always time for a drink and bed!
different-church-lady
@Ohio Mom:
odd, I had the opposite reaction. The old dates would clobber me, but I don’t take it as hard now. I’m guessing it’s because I’m not outside as much on the new dates.
Geminid
@H.E.Wolf: You may already have heard this, but former New Mexico Congresswoman Xochitl Torres Small has been nominated for Deputy Secretary of Agriculture. From Source NM:
different-church-lady
@Chris T.: You know, they give Nobel Prizes to all the wrong people.
Layer8Problem
@NotMax: I remember that! Now tell us what the Million Dollar Movie theme was on Channel 9.
different-church-lady
Oh dear. The WaPo informs me that Biden has upset the “Some Liberals” again.
Steeplejack
I don’t remember ever being bothered by the time change, probably because I often had a flexible work schedule or worked from home.
I think people are evenly divided on which is better. If I had to pick, I slightly prefer standard time for no other reason than having the sun straight up at noon. My “solar noon” today is at 1:18.
We have gained an hour on Amir Khalid, who is now 12 hours ahead of blog time. And poor NotMax has fallen an hour behind (now 6 hours back). Through no fault of his own, I hasten to add, because Hawaii stays on standard time year round.
And we have to wait two weeks for DST to start in Britain, which affects me as a Premier League viewer.
Other MJS
@H.E.Wolf: Weird that I don’t remember this. I liked the bit where schools changed their hours.
Betty Cracker
A certain MSM outlet is trying to reheat a stale nothingburger “conflict” between VP Harris and Senator Warren and is alleging widespread donor angst about the VP. No linky for the stinky, but it’s notable that these hit pieces always gravitate toward alleged conflicts between women. (Earlier pieces in the same vein feature anonymous sources alleging bad blood between the VP and Dr. J. Biden.) So dumb!
Shalimar
@SFAW: PayPal lucked into becoming the payment processor for EBay. The more I read about the group of assholes who made up the management there, the more I wish the whole place had burned down and saved us from all the future masters of the universe.
Suzanne
@Omnes Omnibus: Spawn the Youngest is fully alert and being a total PITA to her parents, who are struggling to get through their morning coffee.
Queen of Lurkers
@Math Guy: Phones do change automatically. I use Google Fi and find it really useful when traveling internationally. No matter which airport I’m at for any layover, the phone tells me the right local time, which is important because plane departures are of course in local time
Never crossed the international date line, though. So I don’t know what happens then. :)
lowtechcyclist
@Ohio Mom:
Hadn’t realized it was the GOP that stuck us with this change. First weekend in April to last weekend in October was just about perfect.
Steeplejack
@Betty Cracker:
👍 Amen!
ETtheLibrarian
@Kristine: dinto
I don’t care which it’s the switch I hate
Amir Khalid
@NotMax:
How did you manage to leave out Time is On My Side? (Also a YouTube link.)
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone😊😊😊
different-church-lady
Wait, I’ve got it… let’s just get rid of this “time” thing altogether!
Matt McIrvin
@Ohio Mom:
Against the spirit, maybe, but it seems to be a reassuring change for parents of the little ones.
My town officially schedules trick or treat for a two-hour block from 5 to 7 on the Saturday on or before Halloween. Being able to start in broad daylight on a weekend, I think, contributes to our getting absolutely insane crowds every year (we are back to pre-pandemic volume and about 100 kids typically show up in my neighborhood). The older kids come out a little later when it gets dark (which happens earlier in eastern Mass. because we are east of the center of the Eastern Time Zone), but the second hour is usually much slower.
Steeplejack
@Matt McIrvin:
“At the expense of nearly everything else.”
Dudebro libertarianism in a nutshell.
NotMax
@Layer8Problem
Easy peasy. Theme from Gone With the Wind.
Although taking into the account the library of films shown, The Ten Dollar Movie would have been a more accurate program title.
Shalimar
Observation for the day: If Trump changed his last name to Bitch, and whichever woman he chooses for the VP slot changed her name to Moan, they would be the ideal presidential ticket for the modern GOP.
different-church-lady
@Steeplejack: I mean, is “everything else” even necessary?
Steeplejack
@NotMax:
Can’t hover on a phone. You need to press and hold to see the link, which not everyone knows.
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
I’m glad they took time out from their usual habit of ignoring Harris’s work to report on her personal relationships.
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
As president, I will make this happen right after moving the US to the metric system.
NotMax
@Amir Khalid
Tempus fugit.
NotMax don’t; unlike a rolling stone he gathers moss.
:)
.
Baud
@different-church-lady:
Do we really need space and time?
OverTwistWillie
@Baud:
The COO at Norkfolk Southern was at CSX 5-6 years ago and implemented a 28 hour clock.
??…these go to eleven….
different-church-lady
@Baud: I thought you were going to move it to Canada?
Steeplejack
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
😹
rikyrah
@Baud:
Absolutely no lie told
different-church-lady
@Baud: Well, time is money, and they’ve completely fucked up money, so…
rikyrah
@Baud:
Not shocked at Thiel being involved😒
NotMax
@Steeplejack
Phones are phones and computers are computers. Neither has any business encroaching on the territory of the other.
//
Layer8Problem
@NotMax: Well that was WOR-TV; low rent, old sitcoms, and Romper Room. But up until Gone With The Wind showed up on network TV to show us all how nice the antebellum South was that tune WAS the Million Dollar Movie theme to me and always needed filmed sweeping nighttime shots of Manhattan buildings as the visual.
Matt McIrvin
@different-church-lady: “All right, this next test may involve trace amounts of time travel. So, word of advice: If you meet yourself on the testing track, DON’T MAKE EYE CONTACT! The lab boys tell me that’ll… wipe out time. Entirely, forward and backward. So do both of yourselves a favor, and just let that handsome devil go about his business.” –Cave Johnson
rikyrah
@Nelle:
😪😪🙏🏾🙏🏾😷😷🤒🤒
NotMax
@Baud
And what’s with the whole continuum mishegas? Presume a Baud administration will waste no time instituting a protinuum.
Math Guy
@Queen of Lurkers: I was trying to be funny, but the joke fell flat: should have expected that after being roused out of bed an hour early, and hadn’t even finished my 1st cup of coffee when I posted.
Ruckus
@Betty Cracker:
Remove all traces of the shit stain.
I like it!
Time.
I don’t care which way we go, one gets used to whatever time it is fairly rapidly and most adapt rather easily, even if they say it’s the worst thing in the world. Just pick one time and stop all this concept that it being dark or light is best. It gets dark and light every damn day, it’s like we are racist about time.
WaterGirl
@Nelle: Oh, no! Thank goodness you have great neighbors!
NotMax
@Layer8Problem
Cannot leave out Zacherle.
“Good night, whatever you are.”
Geminid
@Matt McIrvin: Cave Johnson? That reminds me of some local news. Actor Duane “The Rock” Johnson just bought a big estate in Orange County, 20 miles northeast of Charlottesville. It’s one of those old estates with a name: “Tivoli.”
Uncle Cosmo
(deleted, redundant – also repetitious)
zhena gogolia
@different-church-lady: You are so funny!
rikyrah
@Amir Khalid:
Amir,
Congratulations on the new housemate😏😻😻
WaterGirl
@Betty Cracker: Women. If it’s not one thing, it’s another. We are either taking our purses and going to the bathroom together, or it’s cat fights all around.
I wonder what year they think it is.
Mai Naem mobile
@Betty Cracker: I know this isn’t what you are asking for but I’ve used this brand of paste for the pri krig and the red curry and its really good. You can get it at Asian grocery stores in the frozen aisle – https://grocerythai.com/Panang-Curry-Paste,-Mae-Anong?manufacturer_id=32. You only use a little at a time so it lasts a while. I’ve also made it from scratch and its quite a bit of work with a lot of ingredients.
Matt McIrvin
@Queen of Lurkers: I used to go through this whole ritual of changing lots of clocks when DST began and ended. Now, of the clock displays I look at regularly, the only ones that don’t switch automatically are on the oven and microwave in the kitchen.
NotMax
@UncleCosmo
Hey now, I’m a stickler for including (WaPo link) and (.pdf file) and suchlike.
Phones, however, are terra incognito to this old fart. Finally broke down and bought one to take along on the NYC trip. May have turned it on twice since.
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: Arthur C. Clarke’s amiable futurist travelogue Imperial Earth imagined that the whole world had been put on just four time zones, to foster better global connectivity. I think that if you’re doing that you might as well just abandon time zones entirely–the clock is going to bear little relation to people’s intuitive notions of time anyway.
In practice, when it gets that extreme, people start to just ignore official time decrees and use their own informal clock settings. I know that happens in western China.
Eunicecycle
@SFAW: I agree that Peter Thiel does nothing for anyone not named Peter Thiel; he gave us JD Vance.
lowtechcyclist
@Matt McIrvin:
Well, I was really making the point that if you want to know what it would be like to have DST in the winter as well as summer, there’s your thought experiment.
But your point about who you’re sharing your time zone with is well taken. However, it leaves me confused about some choices in that regard.
Take Indiana and Alabama, for instance. Indiana is pretty much directly north of Alabama, so you’d figure that, just going by the clock, they’d be in the same zone. But they’re not, and which way they chose is quite counterintuitive: Indiana’s mostly in Eastern time, while Alabama’s in Central.
You’d figure that Alabama would prefer being in the same time zone as Atlanta, which is practically the commercial hub of the Southeast, rather than that of Mississippi, which is a freakin’ backwater of a state. But you’d be wrong.
And you’d figure that Indiana, being right next to Chicago, would prefer being on Central time to match Chicago rather than being on Eastern time to match Cleveland and Cincinnati, let alone NYC. And again, you’d be wrong. (Yes, a tiny bit of Indiana right next to Chicago is on Central, but you’d think the whole state would want to thumb its nose at the liberal Northeast.)
Anyway, it seems that both of these states have the costs backwards.
NotMax
@WaterGirl
And negligee pillow fights.
//
Soprano2
My God, that Saagar guy is a good illustration of the arrogance of morning people who think they are better and more productive than night people. When did we decide that wanting to get up at the butt crack of dawn was virtuous? Asshole.
lowtechcyclist
@Eunicecycle:
Can’t think of a better argument for a 95% tax bracket than the existence of Peter Thiel.
evodevo
@Nelle: Yep…sounds familiar lol – welcome to the grandkids bringing norovirus/RSV/whatever and their parents haring off to the local boutique brewery and leaving them to your tender care. Been there, done that…
Layer8Problem
@NotMax: I was too late for Zacherle on the teevee, but l heard him on WPLJ-FM. He turned out to be older than I expected!
Steeplejack
@different-church-lady:
Time is how we keep everything from happening all at once, which would be inconvenient.
m.j.
There is a noon. Dust off your sextants and take a look. There is a point in,”time,” when the Earth’s rotation makes the sun seem to be at it’s highest point in the sky. This is called, “noon.”
lowtechcyclist
@Betty Cracker:
What’s the name of the restaurant?? We usually stop at La Segunda for Cubans and guava pastries, but good Thai curry beats the hell of out a Cuban sandwich any day.
So spill, dammit! ;-D
NotMax
@Layer8Problem
Long career. Born 1918, died 2016.
Had the pleasure of chatting with him (and Stanley Kramer) over drinks at the afterparty of a movie premiere. A consummate gentleman (and gentle man).
Steeplejack
@Matt McIrvin:
Oddly enough, the clock on my cheapo $30 microwave is incredibly accurate. I need to reset it only twice a year. After that it’s the clock in the doughty Kia and my modest collection of wristwatches.
Mai Naem mobile
@Betty Cracker: my sister has said since inauguration that the body language between the two signals that Jill Biden doesn’t care for Kamala Harris. OTOH, she says the body language between Michelle Obama and Jill Biden is completely different. I think its probably more that Michelle is a friendly huggy touchy kind of person while Kamala is more reserved and more of an ‘all business’ attitude.
Amir Khalid
I have no experience of daylight saving time, which we don’t have here in tropical Malaysia. (I do remember the confusion on the day Peninsular Malaysia made a one-time, permanent half-hour leap forward in the early 1980s to have the same time as Sabah and Sarawak, and create a single Malaysian Standard Time zone.) So here’s a fun fact about something else.
The guy at the shelter told us — me and my sister, who was providing transport for the day — that Scully was surrendered to them only on Friday, the day before. I was going to be there on Thursday, but that turned out to clash with a doctor’s appointment I’d completely forgotten about, so I had to reschedule to Saturday. (Which tells you how organised I am most days.) If I’d gone on Thor’s Day per the original plan, I would have completely missed seeing Scully; I’d have come home with some other cat. So It’s entirely fortuitous that this sweetheart and I wound up with each other.
Soprano2
@Betty Cracker: When she was 5 one of my nieces got in the closet in the middle of the night and used the buzz cut tool to give herself a buzz cut like her friend Wolfie. It was in the summer so at least she didn’t have to go to school like that. We called her our nephew Paul (her name is Paula) until it grew out.
Baud
@Mai Naem mobile:
Michelle and Jill are both first ladies, neither is a politician, and they must have gotten to know each other during Obama’s term.
lowtechcyclist
@kalakal:
Um, that’s totally backwards. The further west you are in a time zone, the later the sun rises and sets, compared to official time. DST just doubles up that effect, which was why Indiana didn’t observe DST until Mitch Daniels forced it through.
NotMax
@Layer8Problem
Perchance you remember WOR’s resident cartoon host rummy (weren’t they all?) Claude Kirchner.
Baud
@lowtechcyclist:
In the language of Republicans, he forced it down their throats.
Steeplejack
@Amir Khalid:
Sad about Scully’s implied back-story but glad that she was there only a day and ended up with you.
different-church-lady
@Steeplejack: But efficient!
Eunicecycle
@Ripley: when my husband was still working, one of his big responsibilities was to keep the clocks synched on all the systems. For various reasons they often were not. I knew when the phone rang about 12:10 am what it was; something somewhere thought it was still yesterday. And in the olden days it meant he had to physically go to work to fix it. Later he could do it from home.
Betty Cracker
@Mai Naem mobile: Thanks! I may have to order online or hit up an Asian market next time I’m in Tampa.
RaflW
I am in favor of a fourth choice (sorry, but I gotta go there): one-half hour forward of Standard time, locked in year round for the entire US. Even Hawaii and P.R. It would also align us with India, Newfoundland and several other countries (but then there are the :45s!)
As someone who relishes swimming and boating well into the warm summer evenings, going back to year-round standard time is just a no, no, no for me.
I bop around between CST (CDT) and MST (MDT) all the time, so one hour time changes spring and fall are N.B.D. for me. Given that, and the reality of political inertia, I’m gonna guess the status quo holds anyway.
Layer8Problem
@NotMax: Nope, I probably just missed his live stuff, according to Wikipedia. His middle name was “von Hindenberg”! I was however a devoted fan of Captain Jack McCarthy on WPIX.
J R in WV
@sab:
sab:
I like NotMax too, and also am not crazy about Youtube. So in my browser setings there’s a checkbox for autoplay, which I have turned off.
I still can click on anything to see and hear what is interesting to other commenters, but I get to adjust my tablet’s volume and such before I fire up some delightful Rock-a-billy tunes.
Betty Cracker
@lowtechcyclist: Link here! I had it with the mixed veggies, which were spectacular, but you can order chicken, shrimp, etc.
different-church-lady
@RaflW: I already said that. Except I said it in all-caps to indicate that it was nuts.
sab
@J R in WV: Thank you.
Betty Cracker
@Amir Khalid: May you and Agent Scully enjoy many long, happy days together!
sab
@lowtechcyclist: And JD Vance. Tax that twerp.
cliosfanboy
This Saager person is an idiot. Not everyone works the same schedule. Actually, people in the “leisure class” could probably care less. It’s people who work day shifts who could use the extra evening daylight for time to relax with family and friends.
sab
@WaterGirl: You don’t go to the bathroom together? How naive.
Bill Arnold
@m.j.:
I’m on team “high noon is 12:00” too. Not a fan of “high noon is 1:00PM”.
citizen dave
@Baud: Lifelong Hoosier here–can remember DST as a kid in the 60s/early 70s–was and is the best thing ever to have daylight until 9 and well past it in the summer–big supporter.
Then we went to NO CHANGE AT ALL–us and Arizona, for a few decades. So part of the year we’d be the same as the east, and the other part the same as Chicago/central. Kind of stupid.
Gov Mitch Daniels was a commerce/business R above all else, and I believe a big part of his reasoning was to align Indiana with NYC, east coast business, etc. Not sure it makes much different to be honest.
The vote was supertight, and I read once that the final R vote was a brand new one from SW Indiana (I think in the House), and he supported DST, and lost his next election.
Anyway, just had breakfast at 11:30 for some reason–and looking at an overnight snow coating… (though 91% of our highs this year have been above average, can’t complain).
sab
@lowtechcyclist: As a tax preparer I am delighted the skip back isn’t in April when we are already exhausted.
Matt McIrvin
@lowtechcyclist: There’s a nice illustration of this in the thread: Ohio Mom mentioned her neighborhood’s scheduled Halloween trick-or-treat hours running from 6 to 8, and (under current clock rules) the first hour is light and the second is dark.
Here in Massachusetts, I experience the same phenomenon–first hour light, second hour dark–only where I live it runs from 5 to 7. We’re both in the Eastern Time Zone but very widely separated in longitude within it.
(That early start is only possible because we don’t always do trick-or-treat on October 31; we have it on the last Saturday in October. Some other towns in the area stick to October 31 and it results in a lot of kids double-dipping.)
Baud
Time should move forward in blue states and backwards in red states.
citizen dave
@Amir Khalid: Amir, thanks for the kitten story. It was meant to be. All the best! 20+ years ago my wife found our 2 kitten littermates at a vet’s office, one of them was the obvious runt. Two females, great cats and lives.
schrodingers_cat
testing.
My earlier comment was eaten by WP.
sab
@sab: Or jump forward. Whichever way it goes, we lose an hour’s sleep.
Leto
Youtube: Margaret Atwood on the Rise of Real World Authoritarians | Offline With Jon Favreau
eclare
Test
CaseyL
@Baud:
JWST found incredibly ancient galaxies that, according to our current understanding of the universe, should not exist in that form.
Astronomers and cosmologists are wondering if, indeed, everything we think we know about the space-time continuum might be…. wrong.
TerryTime
@Amir Khalid: Congrats! She was meant to be Scully.
Steeplejack
After reading this whole thread and moving from my phone to the computer, I am prepared to rule on the issue: we should keep the standard/DST switch but shorten the DST period, along the lines suggested by @Ohio Mom above. People are going to bitch, but going all one way or the other seems too draconian.
I am pleased to see that all of my workspace devices have updated themselves: ThinkPad notebook, Asus Chromebook, Samsung tablet, Kindle. Even the cheap little SkyScan “atomic” clock, which gets updated by a radio signal from Colorado and used to be a slightly unreliable laggard. But in recent months it has been rock solid, maybe because of a slight change in positioning. 🤔
I will tackle the microwave clock later.
Doug R
@Mai Naem mobile: Michelle Obama was never a professional politician, Kamala Harris has been under the spotlight her entire career-just like Hillary Clinton it is IMPOSSIBLE for a woman politician to show emotions properly.
Plus Michelle is taller, she’s not as afraid of being a huggin’ bear.
Steeplejack
@different-church-lady:
Touché.
Doug R
@schrodingers_cat: I commented on Canadian railway engineer Sir Sanford Fleming inventing Standard time, but it disappeared as well.
TerryTime
@Baud: Isn’t that exactly what’s been happening?
Steeplejack
@J R in WV:
There’s also a toggle switch in the YouTube “command” bar that allows you to turn off autoplay.
WaterGirl
@NotMax: I could be wrong, but I think the pillow fights happen in baby doll pajamas. :-)
WaterGirl
@Amir Khalid: Meant to be, Amir, meant to be. 💕
Steeplejack
@Baud:
I think it already does, based on what we see in the news.
Kay
The antiwoke ninnies are at it again:
Just embarrassing how many “liberals” and supposedly smart people signed onto this ridiculous woke panic. I thought if there was a real crisis maybe we’d get a break and they’d shut up about it because “woke” is their only area of expertise and maybe they’d have to talk about banking or finance or regulation – something other than the imaginary threat posed by 22 year old social workers- but no, they just jam every subject into “woke” because “woke” is the only thing they know.
sab
OT and waiting for Raven. How does Artie feel if he messes with her feet? My Ponyo goes postal. Actually growls at me. Will not shake a paw.
Is this just a pitbull thing? Dozens of dogs in my life and this is a first for me.
It has become a family joke. Dog growls and husband bellows “don’t mess with her feet!”
I am not in the habit of messing with dog feet, but sometimes in family life it comes up.
eclare
@sab: I have had and currently have a pit. No issues with feet, but I do take them to the vet to get their nails trimmed, that is not something that I want to attempt.
sab
@eclare: Ditto. We go to dog groomer with our muzzle.
First dog I have had with a muzzle since Israel. There it was to prevent county council from poisoning the dogs.
delphinium
@Kay:
Um, wasn’t Peter Thiel partially behind the collapse? Also, Vanguard and BlackRock were both shareholders; hardly ‘woke’. But per Cleek’s Law, apparently ‘woke’ is whatever Republicans/ninnies say it means, updated daily.
Baud
@Kay:
The Republican debates will be a woke fest.
Frankensteinbeck
@Kay:
At least since the 80s the Republican mantra has been that everything would be great if Those People were in their place.
Cameron
@Kay: Consider the audience they play to. Ask one of the Faithful what Governor Sassy White Boots means by ‘woke ‘ and they’ll righteously reply “Why, just what he said” accompanied by the dull expression of a turtle on mescaline.
Baud
@delphinium:
The way I heard it was that Thiel was one of the first to pull his money out, which led to the run. He is entitled, of course, to pull his money out.
Kay
@delphinium:
I wish it were just Republicans. Large chunks of the suppsedly liberal elite pundit class are also woke panic ninnies.
The NYTimes has a full time employee on the anti woke beat. He churns out woke panic content weekly.
I would bet the NYTimes has published more words on “wokeness in elite colleges and universities” than they have on the repeal of Roe. I KNOW they have paid for an published more words stoking the woke panic than they have on the gutting of regulations that led to this bak failure.
These are not serious people. They’re clowns.
Frankensteinbeck
@Kay:
‘Supposedly’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. I’d describe it more that a lot of conservative pundits really want you to believe they’re liberals. The NYTimes is a perfect example.
EDIT – Hell, I think a lot of them believe they’re liberals. Why do you think they worship those Reagan Democrats, the liberals who just happen to agree that conservatives are right on every issue and the best way to help the vulnerable is to grind them into the dirt?
sab
Sleeping in today and messing with dog’s feet. She is conflicted. Loves sleeping in, hates feet messing.
Not severe messing. Just an occassional holding a foot. Sends her postal! Weird.
ETA She loves everything about me. I am her mom. But just do not even touch her feet.
delphinium
@Baud: Yes, true, point being, from what I have read, it seemed like many of the big shareholders/investors were not necessarily liberal, i.e ‘woke’. Unsure about the percentage of smaller investors. And is wasn’t the small investors that led to this.
Kay
@Cameron:
There’s a whole group of liberal pundits who read a (single) study that teenage girls are depressed and convened a panel of anti woke pundits to diagnosis the teemagers as “harmed by woke”.
Absolute ninnies. Whatever the issue or problem is, the ninnies blame The Woke. DeSantis is just picking up the panic they started and spread and runningwith it.
The like “woke” as a subject because they have no actual subject matter expertise, so whining about kids on their lawn is something they can sell. And boy does it sell. They have been writing the same essay for 5 years now – there seems to be an unlimited market of whiny middle aged men who buy it.
eclare
@sab: No, none of my pits have ever had to be muzzled to get their nails trimmed. Sounds like Ponyo just has feet issues, all dogs are different.
The annoying thing my current pit does is that if I get up off the couch or get out of bed to use the bathroom, etc, when I come back she is in my spot (shades of Sheldon from TBBT). Then I have to move 45 pounds of dead weight to get back!
raven
@sab: She’s ok, the last time the vet just did them quickly and she didn’t blink. She’s also gotten way more comfortable with other dogs off the leash now that we are regular dog park visitors. There will be 10 doggies chasing each other all over the park and she’ll be conked out sleeping in the sun!
OverTwistWillie
Does a toaster oven need wifi? Probably not, but those IoT clocks update magically. “I had to change the clock” derp is increasingly archaic. Stupid NTP.
Does anyone still use bedside alarm clocks?
sab
@eclare: She is often over the line on acceptable behavior with her own paws. If I grab a paw then (quit clawing me you nutcase!) she is fine with that. Just don’t hold her paw casually for no reason. She hates that.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@sab: Our dogs never liked us messing with their feet either. We had one dog who would drink from a puddle but wouldn’t walk through it because that would be icky
raven
@sab: Now Lil Bit hated anyone touching her feet and she would launch over puddles to keep them dry!
sab
@eclare: Ponyo does that too, the furry bitch.
RaflW
@different-church-lady: Except it’s not nuts! Just highly unlikely.
James E Powell
@Kay:
Respectfully disagree. They are serious people. They are evil.
sab
So this feet thing is just a Ponyo thing. Every dog is weird iyn its own way.
sab
For about twenty years my city had a pitbull ban. Handful of stupid drug lords. Ban is gone and more than half of dogs in town are pitts or pittmixes. Doofuses to a dog.
Old Dan and Little Ann
My wee one enjoyed changing all the clocks around the house last night before bedtime. We get to see another week of sunrises on the way to school at least.
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
It’s just a (non-alcohol-caused) hangover from hearing about the NY Jets’ new QB.
Fucking Woody Johnson, does he only hire GMs who have figurative hard-ons for past-their-prime-and-assholes-to-boot QBs from Green Bay?
Ascap_scab
It’s not so much the time change as it is resetting all the fucking clocks.
I’m one guy living in one house and I have nine clocks thea require manual intervention. Enough.
Tony G
@Baud: The tech-bros plan to escape to their seasteading platforms in the Pacific Ocean once society crashes. They’ll be protected by their private security forces that, for some reason, will not turn against them, kill them, and take their loot.
Kent
Switching clocks the way we do it now doesn’t bother me but if we aren’t going to do it then I’d prefer permanent standard time as well. For the next couple weeks I’ll be biking to work in the dark or just barely sunrise. I have a 13 mile bike commute. With permanent DST I’d be biking to work in the pitch dark from late October until late March. As most of the school kids around here would be out on the streets walking, biking to school in the dark as well
Vancouver WA is a long ways north compared to most of the rest of the country. We are further north than Minneapolis, Halifax, or Montreal. The only major city further north is Seattle.
Another Scott
@raven: Our mutt Ellie doesn’t like being touched more than a minute or two – she’ll run off and grab a toy to pay tug if you pet her too long. It was a real breakthrough to get her to stay still long enough to be brushed – she really likes that now.
She doesn’t like her paws being touched either, but it’s mostly a continuation of the “don’t touch me, bro” stuff, I think.
She’s the only dog we’ve had that has this weird thing about going nuts when her whiskers get wet. She’ll start howling and rubbing her face on the carpet like she’s a snow plow or something. She doesn’t mind getting rained on on walks, or while sitting out in the backyard, but don’t let her her whiskers get splashed on while drinking or while she’s out on a walk!
(The vet says that’s actually not uncommon, and recommended a wide, shallow water dish to minimize whisker-splashing.)
Dog, indeed, are weird.
Cheers,
Scott.
SFAW
@Baud:
I think he also “helped” SVB by (loudly?) publicizing (to Founders Fund clientele, etc.) that he was pulling his money, and (I think?) advising them to do likewise.
sab
@sab: Pitts are lovely dogs. Sweet and kind. But idiosyncratic. Every pitt is weird in its own way,
SFAW
@Tony G:
The sooner they move to Galt’s Gulch/Trench, and completely disconnect/dissociate from the US, the better off this country will be.
Kent
It already does.
Steeplejack
@OverTwistWillie:
Alarm clock? I just use my cell phone, since I always keep it near my person. I can see maybe having an alarm clock if you’re big on banging the snooze button or you just want to open an eye and see what time it is.
eclare
@SFAW: Friend said Thiel sent his peons on CNBC and other channels on Thurs to announce that he had withdrawn his money. It was over at that point.
WaterGirl
@Baud: He is entitled, so you could have stopped there.
But then you would have had to add “prick”, so it’s complicated.
Kent
When I was a Peace Corps volunteer back in the 1980s Guatemala decided to switch to DST to keep clocks coordinated with the rest of the region. It was a disaster.
Most of rural Guatemala was campesino farmers who still operated by the sun and rarely wore watches. This is long before cell phones, so if you didn’t wear a watch you told time by the church bells. Or maybe the AM radio stations that constantly blare ranchero music around town. And it didn’t really matter anyway as you could tell time by the sun.
When the switched the clocks it because impossible to ever plan any sort of meeting or event. Guatemalans are not punctual people as a rule. But when no one knows what time it actually is it was 100x worse. If you set up a meeting with any group the first thing they would ask is “La hora de Dios or la hora del gobierno?” (God’s time or the government’s time) And then they would show up whenever they wanted anyway.
Of course DST never made any sense in the tropics anyway as the daylight hours don’t change that much and actually change 2x a year instead of just one time.
raven
@Another Scott: Give Artie’s history it’s astounding how affectionate she is. Maybe it’s because my wife is the queen of goo-goo and we both heap praise and petting on here constantly. She still has this weird thing where she has a low level growl when some people pet her at the park and it takes her a while to settle when people come in the house.
WaterGirl
The real reason to stop switching is the pets who think it’s time to eat, but it isn’t.
Eunicecycle
@eclare: my cat does that! I think it’s because it’s warm.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@WaterGirl: Or in the case of today, are surprised by a meal an hour before they were expecting it
Kent
Yes, and as a father of teen girls I can reliably say it is the exact opposite. To the extent that teen girl depression is a real thing, it is because they are beaten down by social media and conventional notions of beauty and behavior that are oppressive if you are 15. Plus the constant threat of violence and assault from male society at school and in the larger world. And the fact that adults are fucking up the planet and country beyond repair.
To the extent that “woke” has anything to to with it, it is a response to all of that and the idea that you maybe don’t have to look like Zendaya and maybe you don’t have to put up with asshole boys and men. The horror.
S Cerevisiae
Dead thread but my 2¢ on time:
agree that in summer I would rather have light from 5-9 than 4-8. Keep DST but maybe change the start date later like it used to be. The higher you are in latitude the more the time change makes sense.
Another Scott
@Kent:
+1
ScientificAmerican.com:
Having clocks aligned with the Sun as our bodies have worked with it for millions of years is probably important.
I kinda wonder, off and on, if time zones should be narrower. There are huge differences in sunlight between the eastern edge of Maine and the eastern edge of Minnesota at the same clock time so they shouldn’t be in the same time zone. We’re pretty good at timekeeping now – why not make time zones 30 minutes wide rather than an hour?? Kentucky and Tennessee seem to survive Ok with the current time zone boundary running roughly through the middles of the states.
Time zone map that ignores political boundaries.
Yeah, it won’t happen anytime soon, but it’s good that people are thinking about the implications of time conventions.
Cheers,
Scott.
sab
@eclare: Yay. J D Vance can never go back to California Stuck in Ohio forever. Has he consulted his California wife?
Anyway
@Matt McIrvin:
I don’t understand. How does the half-hour matter? We have regular conferences with teams in Bangalore and Germany. There’s no difference in how we set up meetings for the two — just do it at a mutually convenient time . We start at 10 am,they start at hh:30 pm.
Omnes Omnibus
@Another Scott:
Which part of Minnesota is in Eastern Time? It would be news to me, living as I do east of MN but definitely in Central Time.
Another Scott
@Omnes Omnibus: It looks, on this map, that the boundary is right next to the MN state line up there at the pointy north-eastern edge.
Maybe there’s an island that’s part of MN that’s on the ET side?? It looks like Pidgeon Point, MN is the eastern-most point and there are no obvious islands over the line.
Oh well.
Cheers,
Scott.
different-church-lady
@Baud: Time already does. You mean the clocks should too.
Geminid
@Geminid: Xochitl Torres Small, Biden’s nominee for Deputy Secretary of Agriculture, became a member of the talented House Class of 2018 after flipping the 2nd CD in Southern New Mexico. She lost reelection in 2020, and then joined the Biden administration as Assistant Secretary of Agriculture for Rural Development. She practice law, specializing in water law, and served on Senator Tom Udall’s staff as well.
Santa Fe Democrats tinkered some with the 2nd district while redistricting in 2021, and that helped Gabe Vasquez win the seat back last Nevember. Vasquez and Torres Small are both fairly young; Vasquez is 39 and Torres Small is 38.
Omnes Omnibus
@Another Scott:
This suggests that you are wrong.
Nelle
@WaterGirl: The driveway clearer just showed up with lunch. We do have good neighbors. I grew up with good neighbors, a relationship between families that has become generational. (Anyone in the Champaign, IL area, keep your eye out for Pete Shungu, trumpeter and hip hop artist, also known as Afro D. He’s the grandson of my childhood neighbors.) I learned early that being intentional about being a good neighbor makes my home mean more. And, as much as we have moved, there’s no time to waste (7 states, 2 countries).
Repatriated
@Mai Naem mobile:
@Baud:
Also, they’re in different roles and professional relationships to President Biden.
Another Scott
@Omnes Omnibus:
I said:
I don’t think we’re saying anything different. (I.e. The boundary of the Eastern time zone goes from the eastern edge of Main to the eastern edge of Minnesota (up at the tip).)
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
kalakal
@lowtechcyclist: lol! How embarassing.
I blame it on sleep deprivation
SteveinPHX
@Layer8Problem:
WPLJ got its station call sign from an old R n’ B tune, “White Port and Lemon Juice.”
WINS1010 was my fave station in the late 50s-early 60s.
Elizabelle
@Leto: Thank you for the Margaret Atwood link. Listening to it today.
SFAW
@WaterGirl:
Oh, stop it! It’s not as if the cats own you, instead of the other way around. We have four cats, and lemme tell ya, they know who’s boss!
I swear, I crack myself up sometimes.
NotMax
@OverTwistWillie
Bought Mom a new one with an extra-loud alarm last year during the visit when she made an offhand remark about sometimes not being able to hear the old one.
@Steeplejack
So used to autoplay being disabled I completely forget it’s not that way for everyone.
Jacel
That image is like Pikachu imitating Eeyore rather than another Pokemon.
O. Felix Culpa
@sab:
Sweet and kind–sadly not always. A pitty attacked my little dog without provocation in a dog park. Owner unleashed the pit, which made a beeline for my little guy from 20-30 feet away, flipped him over and grabbed him by the throat. I’m lucky my dog survived. We never went back to the dog park again, as you might imagine, and we steer well clear of pitbulls.
J R in WV
@sab:
That sounds like crazy talk, but I’m sure you report the situation accurately. Once upon a time I had a high regard for Israel, no more. If they can’t see that Bibi is a monster, they are lost.
Can anyone tell us the reasoning behind a government agency poisoning dogs? Crazy !!
lowtechcyclist
@Betty Cracker:
Thanks so much, Betty! We’ll have to try it next time we’re down.