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Wednesday Morning Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  March 15, 20239:00 am| 83 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republican Stupidity, Vice-President Harris

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Speaking of must-see tv:

We're thrilled to announce @VP Kamala Harris will return to The Late Show for an exclusive interview with @StephenAtHome on Wednesday, March 15th!

Watch on @CBS & @ParamountPlus at 11:35/10:35c. #Colbert pic.twitter.com/kGNQSj3JZH

— The Late Show (@colbertlateshow) March 10, 2023


Kamala Harris will travel to Iowa for 1st time as @VP. Her office says she “will travel to Des Moines, Iowa to meet with local leaders to discuss the fight to protect reproductive rights” on Thursday.

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) March 14, 2023

Vice President Kamala Harris will spend a week in Africa at the end of March as the United States deepens its outreach to the continent amid global competition, notably with China. https://t.co/I0MzFWY9wP

— AP Politics (@AP_Politics) March 13, 2023

VP Kamala Harris and 2nd Gentleman Douglas Emhoff “will travel to Accra, Ghana; Dar es Salaam, Tanzania; and Lusaka, Zambia from March 25 to April 2,” her office says in a statement. She’ll meet with the 3 presidents to discuss democracy, economic growth, food security, Ukraine. https://t.co/WO67snuiKO

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) March 13, 2023

Mad props, literally:

An Iraqi journalist gained fame for hurling his shoes at President George W. Bush in a news conference to show his anger at the corruption and chaos that followed the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. He is still furious https://t.co/KmkL5X7Kht

— Reuters (@Reuters) March 14, 2023

Meanwhile…

early 2023 and the animating issues for Republicans are:

1) a war in which no American troops have fought
2) an environmental disaster that has claimed no lives
3) a recession that does not exist

— post malone ergo propter malone (@PropterMalone) March 14, 2023

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83Comments

  1. 1.

    Baud

    March 15, 2023 at 9:05 am

    I appreciate all the Harris news, AL.

  2. 2.

    bbleh

    March 15, 2023 at 9:11 am

    Perhaps, but the real animating issues for Republicans are Those People mooching off My Hard-Earned Tax Dollars™, with a side of Icky-Sex People molesting The Children.

    It’s the old favorites that always get ’em out on the dance floor.

  3. 3.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 15, 2023 at 9:15 am

    I woke up from a dream in which I had just determined the Three Best Names for Geese:

    Jolene

    Mabel Lou

    Dorcas

    I haven’t changed my mind. You’re welcome

  4. 4.

    Baud

    March 15, 2023 at 9:16 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Just say no to drugs, Subaru.

  5. 5.

    eclare

    March 15, 2023 at 9:16 am

    @bbleh:   No one goes to a Billy Joel concert to hear cuts off of a new album.

  6. 6.

    montanareddog

    March 15, 2023 at 9:18 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: And the ganders?

  7. 7.

    NotMax

    March 15, 2023 at 9:20 am

    Media note. Links are to trailers on YouTube.

    While neither could be deemed a blockbuster, two films of meticulous construction new (AFAIK) to Prime to check out, each of a decidedly different tone yet both finely, even affectionately, produced. And not a screaming car chase nor cloud-scorching fireball in sight.

    Secure in being modest, a cozy, of the old school little diversion: Mrs. Harris Goes to Paris.

    While there is brief mayhem near the end, it’s something (like Chekhov’s proverbial gun) always lurking in the background and entirely in context: Dinner Rush. Must have been a continuity nightmare, seeing as it mostly takes place inside a very crowded restaurant.

  8. 8.

    Ken

    March 15, 2023 at 9:21 am

    @Baud: I do wonder where Harris finds the time to secretly run the country. Maybe she delegates her cabal duties to Hillary Clinton when she’s out of the country?

  9. 9.

    Baud

    March 15, 2023 at 9:23 am

    @Ken:

    One of the good things about being woke is that you don’t need a lot of sleep.  More time for despotism.

  10. 10.

    NotMax

    March 15, 2023 at 9:23 am

    @SiubhanDuinne

    All female geese are named Lucy, all male geese Lysander.
    :)

  11. 11.

    Geminid

    March 15, 2023 at 9:27 am

    @bbleh: Younger people don’t seem that interested in dancing to those Republican tunes. The issues you mention may seem like “Golden Oldies” before too long. It’s like they are being generated by a think tank located in Branson, Missouri.

  12. 12.

    Soprano2

    March 15, 2023 at 9:29 am

    I went to a luncheon put on by my bank for investors last Friday. The guy who did the presentation is a pretty straight shooter; he’s not infected by the Fox “News” crap. He thinks we’ll have a recession at the beginning of next year. He pointed out something interesting; almost all recessions since the 1920’s have happened in the first and last year of a president’s term. There have been no recessions in the third year of any president’s term in that time period. He didn’t know why that was, he just knew it was a fact. He also thinks crypto is pretty much a scam, because I asked him how the collapse of so much crypto would affect the markets.

  13. 13.

    Baud

    March 15, 2023 at 9:29 am

    @Geminid:

    Yeah, but we need them to actively oppose Republican tunes like John Lithgow in Footloose.

  14. 14.

    NotMax

    March 15, 2023 at 9:30 am

    @Geminid

    “TikTok? That’s what John Cameron Swayze hawked on TV, right?”

  15. 15.

    Geminid

    March 15, 2023 at 9:33 am

    @Soprano2: Did this analyst express any thoughts as to the size and duration of the projected recession?

  16. 16.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 15, 2023 at 9:33 am

    @montanareddog:

    And the ganders?

    Bernie Ganders
    Huckabee Ganders
    Michi Ganders

  17. 17.

    NotMax

    March 15, 2023 at 9:34 am

    @Soprano2

    Correlation is not causation.

    Q.E.D.

  18. 18.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 15, 2023 at 9:35 am

    @NotMax:

    You dream your dreams, I’ll dream mine  :-)

  19. 19.

    NotMax

    March 15, 2023 at 9:36 am

    @Geminid

    A recession is always a Friedman Unit away.
    //

  20. 20.

    Geminid

    March 15, 2023 at 9:36 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: I bet its a pretty morning in Stone Mountain. That’s pretty country to begin with.

  21. 21.

    Shalimar

    March 15, 2023 at 9:38 am

    @Baud: Also Republican toons like Christopher Lloyd in Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

  22. 22.

    Jeffro

    March 15, 2023 at 9:39 am

    Mr. Al-Zaidi, I’m right there with you in being still furious about the Iraq War.

    The Post had an article up a few days ago that noted where all of the nation’s $31T national debt came from.  $4-6T of that was courtesy of ol’ W’s great Mesopotamian misadventure.  I think his tax cuts were another $2.5T.  Unreal.

  23. 23.

    Soprano2

    March 15, 2023 at 9:39 am

    @Geminid: You assume that there are people who could run a think tank in Branson. I am here to assure you that there probably aren’t. They’d be in Springfield! LOL

  24. 24.

    NotMax

    March 15, 2023 at 9:39 am

    @SiubhanDuinne

    And then there’s Zeus, who throws the whole schmear into a cocked hat.
    :)
    .

  25. 25.

    Soprano2

    March 15, 2023 at 9:42 am

    @Geminid: He thinks if it happens it will be relatively shallow and not that long. I think they’re all bumfuzzled by the economy right now because it’s not behaving in a normal manner – inflation is high, interest rates are going up, but consumption is still going gangbusters and unemployment is at historic lows. I also pointed out to him that no one could have predicted in 2019 what would happen in 2020. I think he cringed a little bit when I said that.

  26. 26.

    Soprano2

    March 15, 2023 at 9:42 am

    @NotMax: Sure, but I thought it was an interesting factoid.

  27. 27.

    Betty Cracker

    March 15, 2023 at 9:43 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: Excellent geese names! A neighbor down the road keeps geese, who often charge the fence and honk angrily when I walk past. I will start calling them by these names and see if that changes their attitudes toward me.

  28. 28.

    Jeffro

    March 15, 2023 at 9:44 am

    Btw if any front-pager wants to post it, Anand Giridharadas (author of Winner Take All and The Persuaders) has a funny Tweet thread up about how awesome it is to do business with “woke” banks.  The replies are also hysterical.

    Sample:

    ”When I apply for a mortgage at my woke bank, there’s none of the usual paperwork.  They just give you a quiz about the history of redlining.  If you pass – mortgage!”

    ”One down side: the lines are long because there’s always a bunch of burly men waiting to take out their money for sex change operations”

    “Another down side: every debit card’s PIN at Woke Bank is 1619, and you can’t change it”

    LMAO

  29. 29.

    Baud

    March 15, 2023 at 9:46 am

    @Jeffro:

    Ha.  That’s great.

    ETA: Their use of woke for SVB shoes that woke has jumped the shark.

  30. 30.

    The Kropenhagen Interpretation

    March 15, 2023 at 9:49 am

    early 2023 and the animating issues for Republicans are:

    1) a war in which no American troops have fought

    2) an environmental disaster that has claimed no lives

    3) a recession that does not exist

    I’m all for the Republicans running on these issues. Once any individual voter sees Republicans are running on bullshit nightmare fantasy, they can’t easily unsee it.

  31. 31.

    Geminid

    March 15, 2023 at 9:52 am

    @Soprano2: That’s kind of encouraging. I think a mild recession would not impair Biden’s chances for reelection, especially if we start to come out of it by Summer, 2024.

    And there might not be a recession at all, or even a spell of flat economic growth. My amateur political-economic theory is that Democrats got their counter-cyclic spending in early, with the Infrastructure, CHIPS+ and “Inflation Reduction Act” legislation.

  32. 32.

    Betty Cracker

    March 15, 2023 at 9:53 am

    @Soprano2: You’re right about people being bumfuzzled about the economy because historical patterns are broken, which makes prognostication challenging. As we’ve discussed here, the same holds true in politics recently, and probably in other spheres too. The past isn’t predictive, yet poor pattern-seeking creatures that we are, we keep looking to it for clues in the Age of Uncertainty.

  33. 33.

    Jeffro

    March 15, 2023 at 9:53 am

    @Baud: “When you apply for a commercial loan at Woke Bank, you don’t even have to tell them how you plan to make money – you just mutter the letters ‘ESG’ and you’re approved!”

    ”I get a bonus 0.001% interest rate for every tree I plant!  I’m 30% of the way to reforesting the Amazon!”

    Ok, I’ll stop.  But still…mocking the shit out of the wokety-woke-woke boogeymen is fuuuuuuun! 😁

  34. 34.

    NotMax

    March 15, 2023 at 9:55 am

    @The Kropenhagen Interpretation

    Unfortunately, in their alternate universe it’s like the smoldering ruins of Seattle.

    “The media refuses to report it.”

    Predicating sense (or sensibility) to RWNJland is a fool’s errand.

  35. 35.

    Baud

    March 15, 2023 at 9:56 am

    Jesus Fucking Christ! Tony Blinken just fucking hands the GOP the keys to the castle in 2024.

    Font Wars Spread After State Department Replaces Times New Roman With Calibri

    ‘I’m banging my head against the wall;’ camps divided in fallout from government efforts to make documents easier to read.

  36. 36.

    Old School

    March 15, 2023 at 9:58 am

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WZTV) — A new Tennessee bill would allow law enforcement officers to use mechanical restraints, such as belts and handcuffs, on students with disabilities.

    …

    OKLAHOMA CITY (KOKH) — A bill that sought to end corporal punishment in schools for students with disabilities failed in a close vote in the Oklahoma House of Representatives on Tuesday.

  37. 37.

    The Kropenhagen Interpretation

    March 15, 2023 at 10:00 am

    @NotMax: All it takes is a glimpse outside the mirror universe.

  38. 38.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 15, 2023 at 10:01 am

    @Geminid:

    Yes, it’s lovely today. I have a whole bunch of birds feeding on the deck, and the shy little feral cat is wondering when I’ll put out treats for her. (She completely ignores the birds, and they ignore her right back.)

  39. 39.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 15, 2023 at 10:02 am

    @Baud: JFC indeed. Can you imagine using the word “font” when you actually mean “typeface”?

  40. 40.

    Omnes Omnibus

    March 15, 2023 at 10:02 am

    @Baud: Come on, they are just changing it from the Comic Sans that the Trump admin had been using.

  41. 41.

    NotMax

    March 15, 2023 at 10:04 am

    @Betty Cracker

    Pareidolia. Used to include a frequent coda about that phenomenon on my late blog under the heading “Pareidolia On Parade.”

    “That rust stain is the spitting image of Jesus!”
    :)
    .

  42. 42.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    March 15, 2023 at 10:04 am

    I just filled out my mail-in ballot for the April 3 local election (school board, library board, village trustee, etc). I was aided by the postcards that right wingers sent me because they narrowed down my choices. Here’s hoping the good guys win.

  43. 43.

    WaterGirl

    March 15, 2023 at 10:14 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: You must be taking the good stuff!

    I would definitely order that off the dreams menu.

  44. 44.

    WaterGirl

    March 15, 2023 at 10:15 am

    @Ken:

    I do wonder where Harris finds the time to secretly run the country.

    I can’t keep up.  I thought the current media complaint was that Harris doesn’t do anything?

  45. 45.

    WaterGirl

    March 15, 2023 at 10:18 am

    @Jeffro: Those are good.  That last one got an audible guffaw from me!

  46. 46.

    WaterGirl

    March 15, 2023 at 10:19 am

    @Jeffro: Can you post a link?  I went to her twitter feed but she has a lot going on, and it’s not clear what thread to look at.

  47. 47.

    zhena gogolia

    March 15, 2023 at 10:20 am

    @Baud: Me too!

  48. 48.

    WaterGirl

    March 15, 2023 at 10:20 am

    @Baud:   If everything is woke, nothing is woke.

    These people bleat about each thing in succession, until whatever the catch word is no longer means anything.

    shaking my head

    edit: Apparently I am talking to myself.  I see that there is a new post up.  I apparently need to get up earlier.

  49. 49.

    satby

    March 15, 2023 at 10:21 am

    @Jeffro: mockery is the best offense.

  50. 50.

    Frankensteinbeck

    March 15, 2023 at 10:22 am

    @NotMax:

    the smoldering ruins of Seattle.

    Don’t get me started.  They really think this is true.  They don’t even think it’s been covered up, they think it’s established, universally known fact.

  51. 51.

    zhena gogolia

    March 15, 2023 at 10:22 am

    @NotMax: We are really enjoying Mrs. Harris. Great acting all around.

  52. 52.

    rikyrah

    March 15, 2023 at 10:22 am

    Good Morning Everyone 😊😊😊

  53. 53.

    NotMax

    March 15, 2023 at 10:23 am

    WaterGirl

    I would definitely order that off the dreams menu.

    “No substitutions!”
    – Mr. Sandman’s Bar & Grille
    :)
    .

  54. 54.

    Baud

    March 15, 2023 at 10:23 am

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning.

  55. 55.

    zhena gogolia

    March 15, 2023 at 10:24 am

    @Baud: I fucking hate Calibri. My computer keeps changing my e-mail to it. Why? Why?

  56. 56.

    satby

    March 15, 2023 at 10:27 am

    @NotMax: Speaking of the *not* smoldering ruins of Seattle, going to mention again that I’ll be there from the night of the 3rd to the late afternoon of the 6th, and am cooking up a meetup with opiejeanne and Dan B. Any local jackals interested in joining us can email me at skinluvvers at g mail dot com so we can get a consensus of date and time that will work. Alas, not a weekend, so unlikely the legendary Yutsano can join us.

  57. 57.

    kalakal

    March 15, 2023 at 10:29 am

    @NotMax: Female geese should be called Lyo-Lyok

  58. 58.

    NotMax

    March 15, 2023 at 10:30 am

    @zhena gogolia

    It is enjoyable. Plays peek-a-boo with twee carefully enough not to cross over into saccharine.

  59. 59.

    Omnes Omnibus

    March 15, 2023 at 10:32 am

    @kalakal: Well played.

  60. 60.

    NotMax

    March 15, 2023 at 10:36 am

    @kalakal

    Sorry, don’t have clue #1 what that is supposed to mean.

  61. 61.

    kalakal

    March 15, 2023 at 10:44 am

    @NotMax: It’s from The Book of Merlyn by T. H. White. It’s a coda to The Once and Future King published after his death. It has a beautifully written part where Merlin transforms Arthur into a goose. Lyo-Lyok is the goose who shows him the world according to geese

  62. 62.

    schrodingers_cat

    March 15, 2023 at 10:44 am

    @Jeffro: He used to comment and pontificate about India in op-eds and even wrote a book.  But since Modi was elected in 2014  he has been quite reticent on the subject.

  63. 63.

    rikyrah

    March 15, 2023 at 10:45 am

    With the NY Supreme Court letting that second company’s lawsuit against Fox go forward, I see the same kinds of things will be found during discovery. I don’t give a crap how much sway the Murdoch family has over that company, if you cost a company 4.3 BILLION, and that’s just the basic damages their asking for, not any additional damages that the judge can give…

     

    Somebody’s gotta be the patsy for that. Someone’s gotta be held responsible for that. And, I mean, some of the ON-AIR TALENT.

  64. 64.

    schrodingers_cat

    March 15, 2023 at 10:50 am

    Okay I watched RRR and I have a lot to say. In a nutshell.

    It is an attractive glossy packaging of half-truths and lies of omission, and appropriation of the struggle of India’s indigenous tribes to sell the  Hindutva (BJP-RSS) version of the freedom struggle.

  65. 65.

    NotMax

    March 15, 2023 at 10:57 am

    @rikyrah

    They’re insured up the wazoo. Not for what the entire bill might end up being but a goodly chunk o’ change won’t come from company coffers. $4 billion will be a blow to shareholders but will not necessarily impact operations an iota.

    Fox gross profit for the twelve months ending December 31, 2022 was $5.222B, a 8.12% increase year-over-year. Source

  66. 66.

    rikyrah

    March 15, 2023 at 11:02 am

    @Old School:

    They are just rotten, awful people

  67. 67.

    rikyrah

    March 15, 2023 at 11:03 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    I just filled out my mail-in ballot for the April 3 local election (school board, library board, village trustee, etc). I was aided by the postcards that right wingers sent me because they narrowed down my choices. Here’s hoping the good guys win.

     

    You’re in Illinois.

    Election day is April 4th.

  68. 68.

    NotMax

    March 15, 2023 at 11:06 am

    @rikyrah

    It’s Illinois.

    Vote early. And often.
    :)

  69. 69.

    Gwangung

    March 15, 2023 at 11:22 am

    @schrodingers_cat: Yeah, being slickly made allows it to be swallowed by folks who don’t know. Not surprised nobody in the West takes everything on face value.

  70. 70.

    schrodingers_cat

    March 15, 2023 at 11:23 am

    @Gwangung: Did you see it?

  71. 71.

    Steeplejack

    March 15, 2023 at 11:40 am

    @Jeffro:

    Link for Anand Giridharadas’s thread.

  72. 72.

    Jeffro

    March 15, 2023 at 11:48 am

    deleted ’cause Steeplejack got there with a link – many thanks SJ!

  73. 73.

    Jeffro

    March 15, 2023 at 11:50 am

    OMG – a trump PAC just hit Ron DeSantis…WITH AN ETHICS COMPLAINT!

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    Irony is sooooo dead

  74. 74.

    WaterGirl

    March 15, 2023 at 11:56 am

    @NotMax: Ha!

  75. 75.

    trollhattan

    March 15, 2023 at 12:17 pm

    @montanareddog: “Take a gander at Dorcus.”

  76. 76.

    trollhattan

    March 15, 2023 at 12:18 pm

    @Jeffro: Words not contained in Trump’s vocabulary: sanctimonious, ethics.

  77. 77.

    Jay C

    March 15, 2023 at 12:20 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Well, obviously VP Harris is secretly running the country AND doing nothing. At the same time!!!

    That’s what makes her so dangerous….  😜

  78. 78.

    Soprano2

    March 15, 2023 at 12:28 pm

    @Geminid: When he talked about how fast we recovered from the “Covid recession” as opposed to what happened in 2008-2012, and he speculated about what was different, I had to suppress the urge to yell out “Congress didn’t think everyone should have to suffer in 2020 like they did in 2009, so the government spent enough money to make sure we didn’t crash the economy”, or to say “Republicans forced Obama to do sequestration, that’s why that recovery took so long”. That would not have been a popular viewpoint in that room.

  79. 79.

    Jeffro

    March 15, 2023 at 12:31 pm

    @Jay C: VP Harris is secretly running the country AND doing nothing. At the same time!!!

    I’m sure she learned well from the master of sheer bumbling incompetency/ultimate supreme liberal overlord, Brandon.

  80. 80.

    oatler

    March 15, 2023 at 12:37 pm

    @kalakal:

    Memory is faint. but i think that Lyo Lyuk part is from “The Sword in the Stone” novel that White incorporated into The Once & Future King.

  81. 81.

    Jeffro

    March 15, 2023 at 12:37 pm

    Somewhat OT but with this current banking crisis (or should I say ‘crisis’) I am thinking about Biden 2024 campaign ads:

    • Joe led us competently out of the pandemic with eighty gazillion shots in arms
    • fought inflation back to 2020 (or whatever) levels
    • enacted bazillions in infrastructure spending
    • solved the supply chain crisis
    • solved the baby formula crisis
    • got us out of Afghanistan after 20 years
    • brought gas prices back down to normal after SEVERE oil company price gouging
    • helped Ukraine repel Russian aggression and re-united NATO
    • OH…AND kept a cool head in this latest banking crisis

    What else am I forgetting?  It’s like the guy has had to deal with a major crisis twice a month (which unfortunately means we have time for about forty more before the election, gulp) and CRUSHED IT every time.

    He can either frame it as “look at all the things I did” or “for the love of heaven, can ya imagine if trump had been present during _____?”  Either works equally well.

  82. 82.

    WaterGirl

    March 15, 2023 at 1:47 pm

    @Steeplejack: Thanks so much for the link!   funniest thread i have ever read, I think!

  83. 83.

    kalakal

    March 15, 2023 at 2:30 pm

    @oatler: We’re both right, she’s in both.

    A lot of The Book of Merlyn has bits from the other books. White never wanted it published in his lifetime.

    It’s been a very long time since I read the books, I loved them in my teens, and I’m a little scared to read them decades later in case I don’t like them now

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