The Republican Party. It’s an ugly coalition, surely an un-holy alliance of hate, but this alliance is how the Republicans get to nearly 50%.
Roger Moore wrote this a week or two ago, and I have been thinking about it.
I would put it a little differently. I think they fundamentally recognize their ideas are losing popularity. They wouldn’t be trying to cheat if they thought they could win fairly.
The fascist wing of the party are the ones who think it’s more important to get their way than to have free and fair elections. The remainder of the party is a mix. Some of them are willing to give up on some facet of the party platform to try to win, and some of them still want to stick to the platform but think they’ll get their turn to implement it once the Democrats show their asses and lose.
I guess some of them also want to implement the platform and think they can weasel their way to a victory by lying about their goals. That group is less significant, though, because this is obviously a very limited strategy.
It’s hard to win reelection when you have a track record of doing stuff the electorate doesn’t like, though people like Glenn Youngkin have shown it can be effective as a short-term approach.
They have formed an unholy alliance, but it’s working. For now. Is it working because they all care about power and about winning more than they care anything else? Is it their ugly version of “Just win, baby!” ??
It may have started as a quest for power, but now it seems to be all about hate. Or maybe hate is just a means to hang on to power?
I mean, think about the religious right. So-called Christians. They have signed on to all the hate and ugliness that is the antithesis of christianity. Truly, Jesus wept.
So what’s our ultimate driving force, the thing that can bring us all together? That can allow us to drive the current iteration of Republican ugliness right into the sea? Are we partly there already? What other pieces do we need to put in place?
Something to think about maybe, on a quiet weekend afternoon? :-) Your thoughts?
Oh, and here’s a photo of the new kitty that Beautiful Plumage is bringing home today! (fluffy kitty on the right)
Black kitty and the new dog get along fine, but apparently the new dog and Marie are not doing well together, so Beautiful Plumage gets to have Marie all to herself, and no doubt will spoil Marie the way she should be spoiled by her new servant.
Open thread.
Roger Moore
I think the fundamental alliance is between the people who see hate as a means of holding onto power and those who see power as a means of implementing hate.
WaterGirl
@Roger Moore:
Hate for its own sake, and hate as a means to an end. That’s the unholy alliance.
cain
oh man, they are like the baby yoda version of Cole’s cats + baby. :-)
Suzanne
@Roger Moore: Yeah, agree. There’s multiple deadly sins….. they seem to have varying amounts of wrath, greed, lust, whatever.
In other words: ¿por que no los dos?
cain
The thing about fascism is that it can never survive long term – eventually they must all turn on each other because there must always be an ‘other’ to be the enemy and eventually that ends up being each other because they would have destroyed everyone else’s power.
Eventually, these folks will have to go against mormons, jews, hindus, and muslims have always been on their shit list. Thankfully, there has been no terrorist acts other than white terrorism.
WaterGirl
@cain: We can’t afford to wait them out, though. Too many people are at risk in the meantime. In this case, the pendulum will swing too slowly to help us.
I think we have to help it along, in a very big way, I’m just not sure how we do that.
Cathie from Canada
At its heart, the right wing is just profoundly disrespectful of democracy, aren’t they.
Its the same here in Canada now too – the disrespect.
It was great yesterday to see Biden won’t stand for it — you probably didn’t hear about it in US news, but Biden came to Ottawa yesterday for a state visit with Trudeau. He spoke to Parliament and at one point he noted that both America and Canada now have cabinets that are 50 per cent women. Everybody stood up to applaud except for the guys from the Conservative Party. Biden looked at them sitting there and said “Even if you don’t agree, guys, I’d stand up” and they DID! Applauding, too. I put up a blog post about it: Dark Brandon Comes To Ottawa cathiefromcanada.blogspot.com/2023/03/todays-news-dark-brandon-comes-to-ottawa.html
It was all over our news yesterday, and it gave Canada a picture of the disrespectful Conservatives that I hope we will never forget.
Josie
We need to find examples of people who benefit from our policies and push those out in front of the voting public every day. Also, get people registered to vote and out to vote in order to overcome voter suppression.Yeah, I use the word “vote” a lot because that is the only weapon we have.
WaterGirl
oops, forgot that I also had a photo of the kittens when they were babies.
MattF
Another factor is the almost-even split between Rs and Ds. Anyone who is sufficiently power-hungry and cynical will look at that and see power being left on the table ready for anyone sufficiently ruthless to pick up and take.
Roger Moore
@WaterGirl:
This. It’s the same thing as the “demographics will save us” argument. In the end we may win, but in the end we are all dead. We need victory in time to help the people who need help today.
Lapassionara
I tried to find out how long the “red scare” of the late ‘40’s and 50’s lasted, as I think we are currently in a similarly unhinged period, where one side of the political spectrum is focused on fighting imaginary enemies (woke, treatment for trans people, CRT, etc) and the other is trying to convince the electorate to follow a more sane and helpful path.
Some say the red scare lasted 7 years, some 10. In any event, while it was happening, many people went to jail and/or lost their livelihood. Others gave into pressure to “name names” and betray their friends. Even after McCarthy left the stage, some of his ideas persisted.
We need effective spokespeople, and we need to speak loudly and proudly on behalf of keeping legislators out of the examining room and out of the classroom. We need to organize and motivate young voters. I would like to have a lot more Ben Wiklers and Stacy Abrams.
StringOnAStick
@Cathie from Canada: That’s great to see and hear; I hope it stays in the news for a long time! I’m still a bit sad that our friends in Calgary from 20 years ago are now conspiracy theorists who say Trudeau is “fucking evil”. We hadn’t seen them or been to Canada in 8 years but wow did they change. His starting in oil industry adjacent work pretty much guaranteed that change I suppose; I’ve seen the same in every person here who went to work in that industry. Oil and gas as an industry is a wingnut factory now because their cultural dominance is threatened.
CaseyL
I like the “Fightin’ Dems” that have been highlighted here, and I think we need more of that: more public pushback, in more places, by more people.
Dems also need to state things plainly, like “the economy always tanks when the GOP is in charge,”and “the GOP takes credit for programs they voted against, like the IRA that gave you a good job.” Maybe just a flat-out “the GOP is corrupt, cruel, and anti-American.” No more of this, “Well, I’m sure there are good Republicans” nonsense, because: No, no there are not.
Be clear about what Democrats have done when they have power (jobs, lower medical bills, better everything, really), and be equally clear about what the GOP does when it has power (bad economy, turning people against one another).
cain
@Roger Moore:
I agree, we can’t afford to wait them off – and I’m one of those people in their cross hairs. There will be death and worse for everyone.
Women are already target #1.
Tom Q.
@MattF: I don’t know that it’s actually an even split at this point. It may come across that way in terms of self-identification, but, in terms of how people vote, the Dems have an advantage that has been, over the past decade, widening most every year in the popular vote (as predicted by the GOP autopsy of 2012).
Key phrase there being “popular vote”. GOP equality — even slight advantage right now, in the House — is an ephemera created by the system our allegedly flawless Founder Fathers left us. The Senate (and, secondarily, the Electoral College) over-rewards citizens of smaller/rural states, and the rural/urban divide combined with gerrymandering pushes the House to a place where (currently) the GOP can be over-represented.
Which is also to say, I’m not sure “it’s working” as the front-page post puts it, is quite on point. What it’s doing is enabling the GOP to, for the moment, use these advantages to bully their way to power they shouldn’t have by political popularity. I think they sense what they’ve got is built on sand, and that’s why they’re pushing as hard as they are to lock things in while they still have the chance.
I tend to agree with the Lawrence Tribe quote, that this GOP is in revolt against the future, and the future will inevitably win. My only real worry is how much unnecessary blood is shed before that future gets here.
sdhays
@Cathie from Canada: Wow, the Conservative Party really showed its ass there! Trudeau’s got to be thinking “I’ve got to have Biden address Parliament more often!”
Raoul Paste
Low taxes for rich people is a key driver for the wealthy donors, with little regard to present-day misery, violence, or future generations.
Just as I didn’t understand their support for a party with idiotic Covid policies, which would impact the rich along with everyone else, I don’t understand their position relative to climate change.
And yes, maybe these rich assholes are planning to die off before it impacts them. Lord knows that’s the case for the former guy.
StringOnAStick
@WaterGirl: The new kitty looks like our pair of torbie girls, my favourite kitty color. Look at the gorgeous spotted belly!
CaseyL
@Raoul Paste: They are planning on using their vast wealth to built impenetrable compounds, buy up water rights, and survive climate change. They have fantasies of being feudal kings.
sdhays
Is it though? I’ll grant you that it’s working better than it should, but the last 3 national elections have been, at best, disappointing for them, despite their large structural advantages. Their current victories are related mostly to their capture of the Federal courts, which is plenty dangerous, but it definitely cost them in the last election.
Sean Robertson
As I told my husband, that title is pure clickbait (kittens!). It obviously worked. 🤣
Baud
The only way to defeat an unholy alliance is with an even unholier alliance!
JoyceH
The good news is that to counter the Unholy Alliance, we have a Holy Alliance, and we’re bigger than they are. And once the Unholys gained power, in courts and many states, they demonstrate just how horrific their policies are in practice.
The Trinity we should campaign on, from now until the Republican Party is dead and buried is – women, guns and voting.
Show, in campaign speeches and commercials, what the GOP’s ‘principles’ really mean. Feature the women who almost die because the GOP values a non-viable clump of cells more than the lives of women. Point to the elected state officials who actually proposed a death penalty for women who get abortions. Feature the doctors leaving practices or states altogether, fearful that practicing good safe medicine will put them in jail. The majority of the public is very much against the Republican position on abortion, and Republicans aren’t softening their stance, they’re doubling down on it, right down to trying to track the periods of high school girls.
Guns – they’re crazy on guns. We’ve got the kids there, the kids who grew up on ‘active shooter drills’. The GOP cares more about the ability of every lunatic to have unrestrained access to weapons of war than they care about keeping kids from being massacred in volume.
Voting! Every voting ‘integrity’ proposal they bring forward prevents more legitimate voters from being able to vote than it stops ineligibles from voting. And be sure to underscore that when they bring up their myths about voter fraud, they always always always target the cities and minority communities, never the enclaves of white privilege, where the double voting is actually going on.
Get the women and the men who genuinely care about them, get the young people and minorities, get the people who don’t want the neighborhood crackpot deciding what books their kids can read – and you have a winning coalition, probably in even the reddest states.
Raoul Paste
@Baud: Hence Baud 20XX
BritinChicago
It reminds me of what he did at the SOTU speech, somehow shaming politicians I would have thought were wholly shameless,
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StringOnAStick
@Raoul Paste: They don’t plan to die before it gets bad, they just assume their money will insulate them from any impacts, like it currently does for every other aspect of their lives, or they just don’t believe it is happening. The truly rich live in such insulated bubbles.
cain
@Baud:
So… Starscream and Megatron?
SomeRandomGuy
stinger
They are all three totes adorbs, but if I had to pick only one to take home with me, it’d be the kitten with her little paws in mitts! What a great pic!
Baud
@Raoul Paste:
Exactly. 👹
smith
@Cathie from Canada: That’s a lot like the ju-jitsu he pulled on the R’s during the SOTU when he forced them to publicly demonstrate they’re committed to sustaining Social Security.
cain
With all these anti-trans/gay bills coming out and anti-abortion bills that seriously harms women – I hope to see the press shine a greater spotlight on our VP. You know these DC assholes are ignoring her. Perhaps there needs to be an escalation. We should be demanding more coverage of what she is doing.
Suzanne
@Cathie from Canada:
That is exactly the kind of move Biden is really good at: making his enemies ridiculous. He’s got that folksy, no-malarkey affect, which belies that he has a sharp eye for presenting his opponents with opportunities to step in it.
Honestly, I think ridicule is critically important. No one wants to be on the end of it, and it makes the GOP less attractive to a few people for whom that kind of ego blow matters when they vote.
Raoul Paste
@StringOnAStick:
“ The truly rich live in insulated bubbles”
Yes, but I can’t help but think that theirs is a short-term solution. The trappings of modernity will likely fall away over time
Elizabelle
@Cathie from Canada: Had not heard about this. Thank you for writing about it.
Dark Brandon takes it across the border.
lowtechcyclist
@WaterGirl:
Not to mention, global warming won’t wait for us to get our political shit together. We’ve only got so much time before more warming than our advanced civilization can handle is already baked in, so to speak.
WaterGirl
@StringOnAStick: Yes! My girl kitty has spots everywhere and I think she is just gorgeous.
Here she is standing up, so you can see her tummy.
If you click on the photo you will see a bigger version.
WaterGirl
@Sean Robertson: Maybe I need to append (and Kittens!) to all my post titles. :-)
WaterGirl
@stinger: I suspect that someone was scratching her own face!
japa21
Not disagreeing with this statement, I just want to expand on it. The religious right covers far more than “Christians”. Look at India, many Muslim countries, Israel. Countless other places. The more fundamentalist, the more evangelical people are in regard to their religion, the more they try to force it onto others. And yes, they use hate as a tool. Hate of the other, whether it be a person’s religion, race, genders, sexual orientation.
And they do as much as they can to insulate their fellow travelers, and most specially their offspring, from any countering influence. It’s almost as if they are afraid that sunshine really is a disinfectant.
I say all this as a devout Christian (sorry eversore) who also is humble enough to say I believe, but I don’t know and I am always willing to be open to others so long as they reciprocate with me. The religious right, no matter what religion, never want6s to precipitate
Omnes Omnibus
@sdhays: I come down more on this side. I think they are losing and they know it. That is why they are rushing to do as much damage as they can before they lose power. As far as what we can do goes, we can take some lessons from Biden. Keep on track. Stay optimistic. make the other side look ridiculous; it won’t get them to change, but it could make fence sitters not want to be on their side. No one wants to be a punchline to a joke.
pacem appellant
Extremely minor quibble, but xtianity is as xtians do. So while it’s nice to image that there are some xtians who are truly following in the footsteps of their savior, it’s academic, as the vast majority of personal interactions with xtians in the US are with evangelicals. And they are the jucking worst. They do not have a problem reconciling their hatred and their scripture, so I see no reason why I need to give them the benefit of the doubt.
JoyceH
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Omnes Omnibus
How do you know this?
lowtechcyclist
@Raoul Paste:
Which is crazy for them even today. There is far more money in the hands of the rich than can be invested productively, which is why crypto and NFTs, and gobbling up single-family homes as rental properties. There needs to be a balance of sorts between money in the hands of potential customers, and money in the hands of potential investors, and in the USA, it’s totally skewed towards the latter.
But even most billionaires have children and grandchildren. I’d be worried about global warming anyway, but the fact that my son could live to see the 22nd century (he’d be in his early 90s on 1/1/2101) makes the connection more emotional, more visceral than it would otherwise be.
I wonder why the same isn’t true for those incredibly rich people who are in much more of a position to move the needle of public opinion about global warming than any of us are. Do they believe their wealth will protect their grandchildren if the world warms up too much, too fast? Or do they just believe that it isn’t really happening, or the free market will magically take care of it, or what? I just don’t get it.
Barry
@cain: “The thing about fascism is that it can never survive long term – eventually they must all turn on each other because there must always be an ‘other’ to be the enemy and eventually that ends up being each other because they would have destroyed everyone else’s power.”
First, we don’t know that. Second, any such thing would be after the Apocalypse for most of us.
NotMax
The dilemma of waiting for them to stomp on their own dicks is the scantiness of magnifying glasses and tweezers,
//
Another Scott
(via Oryx)
Cheers,
Scott.
different-church-lady
Are we really sure about this?
bbleh
@sdhays: @Omnes Omnibus: Concur. It is working in some ways and in some places now, but materially less than it was 6 or 7 years ago, as shown by nearly every election since 2018 (and Youngkin’s win was by a mere 2% and followed a strong pattern of the VA Gov election as a reaction to the previous Presidential one).
This is not to say that their alliance is not unholy, or not revanchist and reactionary and in some cases overtly ethnonationalist authoritarian, or that they don’t have plenty of resources and plenty of dyed-in-the-wool supporters. But we’ve shown we can beat them, over and over, and HOW we can beat them, and we just need to keep doing that. And we DO need to keep at it; one thing they have going for them is a nearly inhuman drive, and we cannot falter because they will not. (OTOH as OO observes, we have humor on our side, and it is a devastating weapon in politics.)
If we keep it up, and they don’t manage to crash the economy (and they will try), then the odds are with us. Aux barricades!
cain
Anybody see this?
polinews.org/its-all-going-to-hell-for-fox-network-lost-their-certification-as-a-trusted-news-source…
Looks like they got downgraded from green (trustworthy) to red (caution) from some ad agency – basically they are in trouble with their advertisers.
different-church-lady
@StringOnAStick: I was planning on dying before it got bad. Increasingly it’s looking like my timing is off…
oatler
@MattF:
“Anyone who is sufficiently power-hungry and cynical will look at that and see power being left on the table ready for anyone sufficiently ruthless to pick up and take!”
from 1969 ABC promo for “Harold Robbins’ The Survivors”
Urza
Most of the factions in American Conservatism don’t actually like each other beyond money, power and votes. Finding ways to turn them against each other and crack that coalition should be the goal of every strategist.
different-church-lady
@cain:
I was gonna say, “Who’s the certification authority on that?”
Certainly it’s still the most-trusted new organization for people who don’t want the truth.
stinger
@JoyceH: I have both of these books, as well as others in each series, and can highly recommend!
bbleh
@japa21: I prefer the term “Christianist” for them, like “Islamist” terrorists: it’s all form and no substance.
different-church-lady
@cain:
Holy freakin’ god, the clickbait ads on that site make me want to scrub myself down with bleach.
Citizen Alan
@Raoul Paste: I think most of the billionaire assholes want the world to end within a generation after their own deaths. Their wealth has driven them into mad narcissism, and they can’t bear the thought that after they die, the human race will carry on without them. They want us all to die in a funeral pyre that will float them up into their own gated community of the afterlife.
Omnes Omnibus
Quite possibly this is the biggest challenge we face. Our side seem to think that we can win a victory and then we are done. This is manifestly not the case. That arc bending toward justice bends because people keep pushing. Every election in the most important one because it is the next one, and we need to just keep showing up.
different-church-lady
@lowtechcyclist:
Didn’t you see “All The Money In The World”?
WaterGirl
@bbleh: Tell that to women who no longer have the right to self-determination.
Tell that to gay people who are being threatened in a new way.
Tell that to the trans people who are being legislated out of existence.
Tell that to kids who no longer have books in the school libraries.
Tell that to the teachers who live and work under the threat of being fired if they say the wrong thing.
Say that to the workers in the hospitals and clinics that are being closed as a result of Dobbs.
I could go on, but I won’t. And that doesn’t even cover the stuff that has always been fucked up. Black people murdered by police, etc.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@JoyceH: I’ve read both these book. They’re great!
StringOnAStick
@Watergirl. Ours are long hairs so the spots are not as distinct now. Your kitty is very pretty.
schrodingers_cat
@WaterGirl: She is like the spitting image of my late great boss kitteh down to the spotty belly, swirly pattern and the white chin.
StringOnAStick
@Raoul Paste: Oh yes, theirs is a short term solution. I said they were rich, I didn’t say they were scientists!
Another Scott
@Omnes Omnibus:
Not only that, they think destruction will cause them to regain power. They know how things worked in the 1930s, and how right wingers everywhere got a new lease on life after the housing bubble burst in the 2000s.
This is why many of them are so gleeful about the debt limit and why so many of them are not going to back down on it. They want US government debt to be questioned. They want interest rates to rise across-the-board. They want government at all levels to pay more interest for bonds. Because they think it will put them back in power. “Big government isn’t sustainable – the markets are telling us that. We have to cut these handouts and cut taxes…”
Are there enough of them to cause a default? Dunno. But every cycle there are more of these monsters who want it so much they can taste it…
Grr…,
Scott.
schrodingers_cat
Hive mind: Is the Instant Pot a good buy? If yes how big should it be. I look to cook for the week on the weekend, usually. My slow cooker is falling apart and I am wondering if I should upgrade it to an Instant Pot.
NotMax
@cain
Unable to produce a single tear in sympathy.
bbleh
@Omnes Omnibus: I think (a large number of) Dems certainly have been complacent in the past, and not the distant past either. But I also think Trumpism woke a lot of people up, especially (but not exclusively) younger voters, and the continuing attacks on reproductive rights, LGBT!Q rights, etc., have kept them awake. (I would even argue that, at this point, Trump is more of an asset for Dems than Reps.) And there are enough Dem politicians and operatives — again especially but not exclusively relatively younger ones — who have successfully maintained and channeled their energy.
I am considerably more optimistic about all this now than I was, say, 5 years ago.
Citizen Alan
@different-church-lady: I’m 53. Both my parents died in their mid-80s. I am literally terrified by the thought of living that long in light of what I believe life will be like on Planet Earth in the year 2050.
sab
When I first saw that photo up top I thought OMG Cole has acquired a baby L
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: No one said that the right hasn’t fucked things up, and that people haven’t been and aren’t being hurt by them right now. It will take years to try to fix what they have done. They aren’t ten feet tall and bullet proof though, and we have been making progress over the past few years. We need to keep doing so.
WaterGirl
@cain: I’m not sure the site you linked to is legitimate. I’m not seeing that anywhere else.
Are you familiar with them?
Elizabelle
@sab: LOL.
StringOnAStick
@different-church-lady: Yeah, me too. Oops.
WaterGirl
@schrodingers_cat: Interesting that they look so similar. I’m sorry you lost your kitty. It’s so hard.
Omnes Omnibus
@bbleh: I remained optimistic even five years ago primarily because I am stubborn, bloodly-minded, and “fuck them if they think they can bulldoze me and make me give up, the fuckers.”
trollhattan
If you had invasive jumping worms on your 2023 bingo card, move to the front of the class.
OTOH bass fishermen will probably be chuffed.
trollhattan
@sab: Technically, the baby jumped into his car when Cole pulled over to see why it was out, wandering the holler.
smith
I prefer the term “Christopath.”
Citizen Alan
Also, no offense, but the expression on the baby’s face indicates to me a mild fear that she’s about to become cat food.
schrodingers_cat
@WaterGirl: Its been a year and half. You even put a post in his memory. I still miss him. Looking to adopt a bonded pair.
NotMax
@schrodingers_cat
A good buy? Yes, yes and thrice yes. Life changing appliance.
Size? Depends on your individual needs and how many you usually cook for. In my case the 3 quart size is more than sufficient although may engender cutting big hunks such as a pot roast if half.
Only drawback is any size takes up a lot of counter top real estate should you choose to keep it there when not in use.
Dangerman
Republican Party: When life gives you lemons, make lemonade. Sure, it tastes like shit because they forgot the sweetener, but that’s only because they are stupid fucks. And I mean that kinda literally; I have no idea how they procreate (I mean, I know the process, as I read Balloon Juice After Dark, but seriously, a movie about them would be called “The Unfuckables” (lead character, Elliot Nasty)).
ETA: Elliot Nasty probably already taken in some random pron pick. Need a new name.
ETA2: And when I say lemons, of course I mean TFG.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: You have to know that I agree with what you’ve said there. But many classes of people – including half the women in this country and every trans person in the US – have taken a giant step backwards in the past few months.
So seeing “we are winning” felt like all of that was being dismissed.
The arc if justice isn’t moving fast enough for the physical safety and the rights of millions of people, so I’m looking to figure out what we can do to speed that up.
JoyceH
@NotMax: I got an instant pot and am ashamed to admit that I never figured it out. My air fryer, on the other hand, gets plenty of use.
WaterGirl
@schrodingers_cat: I knew it had been quite awhile, but it’s been over a year since I lost Tucker, and I’m still struggling with that, so I was guessing your loss might not be that much in the past emotionally, either.
ARoomWithAMoose
@schrodingers_cat: Been using one as both a pressure cooker and hotpot for a couple of years, works well for two adults (a 6-quart model). The controls are a bit overkill/infuriating if you’re just looking for a slow cooker/hot pot. It’s not really appropriately shaped to port to a meal at another house (eg bringing prepped mashed potatoes to a meal at a neighbors house).
WaterGirl
@Dangerman:
Republican Party: When life gives then lemons, they squeeze them into the open cuts on the hands of everyone who doesn’t vote for them.
And even on the hands of some who do!
Fixed that for you!
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: I happen to think Ukraine is winning its war right now. That doesn’t mean a parade of horribles hasn’t happened and the Ukrainians won’t be dealing with the fallout for years to come.
Another Scott
@schrodingers_cat: We have a mini-version (3 quart?). It’s fine for the two of us for one meal.
I don’t use it that much because it doesn’t seem to save that much time and is more of a chore to clean up. For rice, I just use the microwave. For beans it’s fine, but one could easily just let them simmer in a pot on the stove for a few hours.
Maybe I got broken from the enthusiasm for them in my childhood when my dad would make pinto beans in his pressure cooker every Sunday. ;-)
The bigger InstantPots are BIG. Make sure you understand the size and have a place to put it. They go on sale periodically – check CamelCamelCamel.com to make sure that you’re getting a good price.
My $0.02. HTH a little.
Cheers,
Scott.
Frankensteinbeck
@Raoul Paste:
We don’t live in a meritocracy. That should be blatantly visible by now. The rich are no smarter or more logic-driven than anyone below them. So, they follow conservative policies for the same reasons the rest do: Hate, greed, religion, and ego. Hell, it is much easier for the rich to be willfully blind. So much of their life involves being insulated from their own failures already.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: I agree with that, too.
Doc Sardonic
@schrodingers_cat: Absolutely…..I have 2 of the electric pressure cookers, 1 is a non Instant Pot pressure cooker only. The other is an Instant Pot. If you cook large quantities at a time get the larger one. Mine I think is 6 quarts. Would also recommend this website, lots of tips, tricks and recipes, also has a YouTube channel.
pressureluckcooking.com/
dmsilev
@schrodingers_cat: I’ve gotten a fair amount of use from mine. I got the 6 quart size; depending on what you’re making, that’s good for anywhere from 4 to 8 servings in a batch. That works for me; dinner one night, leftovers a few days later, and rest in the freezer for days when I don’t feel like cooking.
NotMax
@JoyceH
How To Get Started With Your Instant Pot.
schrodingers_cat
@WaterGirl: You guessed right. He was literally my shadow for 19 years and quite a purrsonality.
Dangerman
@WaterGirl: Well, that’s because they clearly get off on cruelty (shit lemonade, lemons on cuts, same thing).
Personally, I hope a subset of them do riot if TFG is indicted; go for it, assholes, I’ll cover the torch costs. It will turn off The Mushy Middle (and a few if them will get their asses kicked and ho to jail).
ETA: Unfortunate typo there but kinda fits so I’m leaving it
HumboldtBlue
@Cathie from Canada:
Nice! And he also rallied all of Western Canada to his side by dissing the Maple Leafs.
raven
@schrodingers_cat: I love mine and use it all the time but it is NOT a slow cooker/crock pot.
trollhattan
The Filipkowski Twitter from Waco is a gold(?)mine. Fake military? Present, sir!”
twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1639656148507787264?cxt=HHwWgIC82Y2lncEtAAAA
Kelly
@schrodingers_cat: Mrs Kelly loves our Instant Pot. She’s a gadget junky. My friends are jealous that I buy Mrs. Kelly tools for presents. It’s worked so well for us we bought one for my 86 year old mother. It was to complicated for Mom.
raven
Back when John was a sports person he would be noting that West Liberty in in the D 2 national championship! Back in the day I played in their gym.
Kirk
@Omnes Omnibus:
Obviously we need more gardeners. These things are weeds, and every gardener knows you can’t quit pulling weeds.
mvr
@JoyceH: Can we just be a nonholy alliance?
trollhattan
Some gambler goes nuts on the Nevada side of South Lake Tahoe.
Yay, guns!
Geminid
@trollhattan: Besides helping broadcast the rally the interviewer, Christina Bobb, is one of the Trump lawyers entangled in the documents case.
Matt McIrvin
Freedom, justice, not acting like fools. That’s what I always come back to.
I know, the other side thinks or at least says that’s what they stand for too. But the bad faith comes out the moment they get any opportunity to act.
Look how the whole “anti-woke” crusade started with the presumption that our side were now the rigid and censorious ones, but the instant it got any traction in state government, they started in with book-banning and criminalizing having a trans kid.
If we abandon those principles we’re just another gang, like they are. Maybe that’s what you do to survive, but the whole idea is that it isn’t.
Baud
@mvr:
The nonholy alliance vs. the assholey alliance.
That works.
CaseyL
@schrodingers_cat: I just got mine a few weeks ago (a 3 qt, because it’s just me) , and have only cooked lentils in it so far.
I like it, but so far don’t see any reason to have one instead of (say) a stock pot, for making soups and stews. If you’re making beans (or lentils!) from scratch – i.e., from dry – then it’s handy because it gets the job done in, like, 10 minutes. For my latest soup, I was able to cook the lentils separately while the rest of the soup was simmering in its own pot.
I got a Duo model, so it does also slow cook, and I’m thinking of trying that – maybe a pot roast, though I’d have to either get a really small roast or cut one up into pieces.
mvr
@schrodingers_cat:
We enjoy our 6 Quart for making various risottos, making hardboiled eggs, pilaf, winter squash soup, lentil soup, etc. There are two of us and we do it one meal at a time. We like it a lot.
It would fit more than we put in it, maybe twice as much. But probably for a week worth of food a larger size would be more to your liking.
mvr
@Baud: It does work!
Maxim
@JoyceH: Congrats on the BookBub! Those are not the easiest thing to get. Downloaded both books.
Maxim
@schrodingers_cat: If you think you would use an air fryer, the Ninja Foodi combines pressure cooker / slow cooker / air fryer capabilities. We use ours all the time. It does take up a lot of space.
Percysowner
So we are having a high winds here in Columbus, Oh. Earlier today I walked my dog and cut the walk short because the wind spooked me. So, I’m sitting in my living room and suddenly I see pine tree branches zipping by my window. It turns out the big old pine tree in my front yard got blown over by the wind. It fell over my driveway and sidewalk. There has been a ton of rain recently and the roots just ripped out of the soft ground.
Thankfully, no one was near the tree at the time, so no person was hurt and it didn’t land on anything, so no property damage. There is a Mama squirrel running around looking desperate and my neighbor found a dead baby squirrel. At least it didn’t fall on any of my neighbors who were out walking their dogs and none of the neighborhood cats were around either. I have someone coming Monday for a $1200 to take it out. All the tree services are swamped and this guy is taking trees off houses today and tomorrow. I don’t have to leave my drive until Tuesday, my kids can do grocery runs until then,thank goodness.
What a day!
raven
@Percysowner: That’s the front that killed 21 people in Mississippi last night.
Cheez Whiz
I think you need to take the long view to understand where Republicans are today. Start with Hoover and the crash in ’29. That culmination of Gilded Age economics drove them into the desert until Eisenhower threw them a lifeline, and Nixon took over. Nixon ultimately failed personally, but he left his brain trust burrowed deep in the Party (hi there Roger Stone and Paul Manifort!). The Party has known for a long time that their (original) Chamber of Commerce philosophy isn’t enough to keep them firmly in power over the long term, and demographics and culture since the 60’s have not been favorable. Nixon’s Silent Majority was the original “conjuring up a phantom majority” scheme to fight that, and the party has followed that template to simply continue to assert they have majority support. Karl Rove’s Latino outreach scheme was another acknowledgement of their problem.
Given this, the impact of Ronald Reagan on the Party cannot be overstated. A popular messiah who advocated for them successfully! He solved all their problems in 1 stroke without requiring them to change anything about the Party. They’ve been looking for his successor ever since (its suprising no conservative actor has copied that template, it would definitely still work). In the meantime, Nixon’s brain trust has converted the Party to shortcuts and fixes. Vote suppression, dirty tricks, focus group tested culture war chum, and the Federalist Society long term plan to corrupt the judicial branch of the government are all Nixon’s fruit.
The Republican strategy was to use Nixon’s tools and leverage the Constitution’s bias in favor of rural (slave) states to keep in the game indefinitely, and hope for a war or economic collapse that could plausibly be blamed on Democrats to get a longer term trifecta to shift Guilded Age 2.0 into high gear (if gay/trans/minority/liberal proles go to the camps or up against the wall, small price for Heaven on Earth).
Then, Trump. Bizzaro Reagan. I call him The Mule in honor of Azimov’s original Foundation trilogy, where The Mule, a telepathic mutant, blew up Hari Seldon’s millenia-long timetable to rebuild the Galactic Empire. Trump simply took control of the voter base of the Republican Party, much like how the Mule could reach in any individual’s mind and make them insanely loyal to him. Without the voter base in their control, the Party is literally powerless. The other half of the Party’s dilemma is that there’s a generation of politicians who believe the red meat fed to the base for decades is all true, and see Trump as a model to emulate and follow. You know all the usual suspects.
So this is where the party is now. There’s a huge power struggle going on for control between Trump’s side and the “establishment”, the ones who see Trump’s rejection of objective reality as a dead end that stands a good chance of breaking the Union apart, along with unleashing the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse. They’re fine with the ends, they just don’t like the risks of his means to get there.
Percysowner
@raven:
I know, I’m really lucky. I have a HUGE tree in my backyard and if that one came down, there would be real damage.
Matt McIrvin
@Cheez Whiz: I think Arnold Schwarzenegger was running a modified Reagan play. Of course he was constitutionally ineligible to be President though there was big talk about amending the Constitution just for him. But in the end, he was too liberal for the modern Republican party and now he’s making these kind of plaintive videos trying to talk right-wingers down from the clock tower.
Who else? Tim Allen has or had sufficient stature to be a Reagan but I don’t think he has the interest. Other guys like Dean Cain or Kevin Sorbo are too dumb to make it work–Reagan had a level of canniness they didn’t.
trollhattan
@Geminid: Perhaps it’s beginning to occur to her that these Republicans are not up to snuff, morally or intellectually. Bobbing for
applesmorons.Or she’ll just commit seppuku as Trump demands.
JaySinWA
@schrodingers_cat: Since you are cooking for the week, I doubt the 3 quart version will be the best size for you. I have the 6 quart size and it works fine for 2 people and is the most commonly available. There are times and purposes where I would like a larger pot (like making a big batch of stock for the freezer) or using larger containers for pot in pot style cooking.
While it claims to be a slow cooker as well, the heat distribution seems less even than a ceramic cooker.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus:
I agree with your overall point, but that’s painting with a pretty broad brush, which could be a little insulting to everyone here who has been working their asses off. Just saying.
edit: And some of us have been keeping the faith!
Another Scott
@Matt McIrvin: Speaking of which, Popehat has a thoughtful follow-up on the students behaving badly to Judge Troll at Stanford Law:
tl;dr – Shouting down an invited speaker is never the way to go. Especially at a law school.
Cheers,
Scott.
Suzanne
@Percysowner: We’ve got those same high winds here in PGH…. Lost power for a bit. Bonkers. It is LOUD.
Geminid
@trollhattan: Bobb was a news presenter for OAN, so it could be she just wants to maintain her presence in the business. And its a payday, although I don’t know how much this RightSide(?) network can pay. Bobb may not have much of a law practice.
Matt McIrvin
@Another Scott: Honestly, I don’t know that it’s never the way to go. If the Kampus Konservatives invite Milo Yiannopoulos to spout hate propaganda, maybe you do want to deplatform him by any means necessary instead of playing the good-faith debate opponent. There’s stuff that’s just beyond the pale.
WaterGirl
oops, if anyone saw a fleeting post just now, that was a scheduling mishap.
NotMax
@JaySinWA
One of the super features of the Instant Pot is not having to defrost stuff first. For example if on the spur of the moment I want to throw together something involving chicken thighs (bone in, skin on, thank you very much), simply pop them in frozen along with the other ingredients and add maybe 5 or 6 minutes extra to the cook time.
Baud
@WaterGirl:
Still getting used to the time change?
Another Scott
@WaterGirl: Hey!!
;-)
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
Beth H
@JoyceH: Very cool, thanks! Your post above was well written, I imagine your novels are too!
WaterGirl
@Baud: More complicated than that!
I had a very serious post scheduled but it would have ended up being the next post after Betty Cracker’s really fun pudding post, so the timing was all wrong for that post.
So I traded that post out for a less intense one and put up an alternate post that would have gone up tomorrow, but instead was scheduled to replace the first one.
But then Tom put up the RIP post 15 minutes before my alternate was supposed to go up, so I switched things around again, and just changed the time to 5pm super fast so my scheduled post wouldn’t step on his.
But then I forgot to change the temporary time, so it went up. Thankfully I caught it right away, because I am not about to have 3 posts of mine go up in a row, and we have the music/postcard post at 7:45
Now I need to rethink what goes up when for my other 2 posts, since dog only knows where everything landed with my quick changes. :-)
Baud
@WaterGirl:
It’s like one of those old-timey acts where the entertainer tries to keep a bunch of plates spinning on poles so that none of them fall and crash.
different-church-lady
@Dangerman: “When we give you lemons, suck on them.”
scav
@WaterGirl: Microfooting, especially of the intricate and vanishing kind, why not!? Simply have to have the opposite dancestep to bigfooting.
different-church-lady
@NotMax:
A coffee date is always a good choice.
Another Scott
@scav: Tip toeing is too obvious.
Hmmm…
Tiny dancing? (6:17)
I had this great retort ready to publish, but Baud came and Tiny Dancered on the thread and ruined it!!
Cheers,
Scott.
Baud
@Another Scott:
Say what now?
different-church-lady
@WaterGirl: Post them all, let God sort ’em out.
lowtechcyclist
Bullies. That’s what they are. And that’s how they deserve to be called out. No decent human being chooses to side with the bullies.
These Rethuglican state legislators are bullying children, for goodness’ sake, who are dealing with knowing that they are different in ways that make them vulnerable. And enabling teachers to put them in their place, refuse to address them by the gender they identify with, which of course gives a green light to every asshole kid who wants to pick on them too.
This is how they choose to use the power of the state: to bully children.
This is as much of a no-brainer about right and wrong as Ukraine is. Anyone who stands with the bullies rather than their victims has chosen the side of evil. End of story.
Sure Lurkalot
@WaterGirl:
Very true and this is why I often (or maybe always) dislike the preface “history will judge”. Of course by then, it will be too late. And as we have come to find out, history can be very fickle. I thought history judged that fascism is evil, but here I am in America, knee deep in fascists.
Louise B.
@schrodingers_cat: The slow cooker is better at “slow cooking” than the instant pot, in my opinion – the ceramic insert stays heated more evenly than the metal insert of the instant pot. The instant pot is more versatile, with its many functions, but pressure cooking takes some getting used to. If you are cooking for the week, you’ll want the six quart version. I have both appliances, and prefer the slow cooker.
Sure Lurkalot
@different-church-lady:
When the rum runs out. Prolly be a queue.
dnfree
@schrodingers_cat:
There are two of us, my husband and I. You want the six-quart Instant Pot for sure. I have an Instant Pot cookbook (we do a fair number of soups, since I’m vegetarian), and the 6-quart filled pretty close to the brim with the recipes from the cookbook will give us six servings (two meals for each of us this week, two to freeze). A three-quart would only probably give you two meals period, because you can’t fill them to the top. And most Instant Pot recipes seem to assume the six-quart.
trollhattan
@Louise B.: Things that sold me on Instant Pot were things I did not know an Instant Pot could do: browning (a compelling reason to get a larger diameter model; risotto; polenta. Now I have risotto and polenta a LOT more than before.
A proper Japanese rice cooker still rules the rice roost, however.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Sure, fine, but remember our side is the one that frequently doesn’t show up for off year elections and often doesn’t vote for anyone below the top couple of lines on the ballot.
raven
Markquis Nowell!
trollhattan
@Another Scott: I recommend the Shorsey treatment for any paid Federalist speaker on campus. Do not fear the Federalist!
WaterGirl
@Another Scott: I don’t know, I think tiptoeing around other posts is exactly it!
karen marie
I’m sorry but what the fuck are “the alternatives”?
I’d have thought the alternatives were non-jumping worms – and last I checked they’re not aggressive – but maybe I missed reports of flying worms?
karen marie
@JoyceH: Potatoes baked in an air fryer are glorious! I do regular yellow or red potatoes in it (grease them up with oil, salt liberally). Incredible crispy skins.
Last week, instead of rice, I baked a potato to have with some home-made chili. So good!
Cheez Whiz
@Matt McIrvin: the basic problems for conservative actors becoming politicians are 1) It consumes your life and its a lot of work, and 2) you need a sugar daddy billionaire or 3 to fund it, whether the Party backs you or not.
Jay
@HumboldtBlue:
Everybody disses the Leafs, even Leaf fans.
It’s one of the things that unite us as a country, since 1967.
It’s even featured in a Canadian Classic song,
youtube.com/watch?v=Q-t8W4X8Obo
Kelly
Trump in Waco near the Branch Davidian mess is like Reagan at Neshoba County Fair near the murders of Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner.
trollhattan
@karen marie: I’ll admit to checking the date in case I had slept in all the way to April 1. I’m equally puzzled: they can eat all the fallen leaves? Have they ever looked at all our damn leaves here? We have a city service just to haul them off from November through January. Worms that mean you can leave the rake in the garage? Sign me up!
But let’s skip the whole “jumps a foot” part.
Sure Lurkalot
@schrodingers_cat: 2 person household and have 6 qt with sous vide function. It’s a very handy appliance. I use it for soups and meats like chuck roast to shred for other dishes.
it also has a slow cooking function but per Google, it doesn’t work well. I’ve never tried, I have a Dutch oven that I use for slow cooking.
Another Scott
@Baud: Did I say Baud?
I meant Another Scott, of course.
;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
scav
@WaterGirl: Or tap-dancing maybe? Comes with a bit less baggage about possibly avoiding the topics of the other posts?
schrodingers_cat
@Sure Lurkalot: According to ATK’s Gear Heads duo Instant Pot’s slow cooking function is adequate.
Thanks for all the Instant Pot responses.
trollhattan
@Kelly: I’ll go further, it’s like Reagan at Bitburg.
Frankensteinbeck
People who are heavily motivated by hate inherently do not think the people they hate’s desires should be respected. That’s why Jim Crow happened in the first place. Now, scale that up to them hating more than half the country, and the entire mainstream culture that constantly tells them their hate is wrong.
Kelly
@trollhattan: Yep, a better fit
trollhattan
@Frankensteinbeck: I’m flabbergasted at their willingness to spend money and time traveling to all these hellholes to hang out with “people just like me.”
I bore myself, frankly, but at least that’s free.
karen marie
@Kelly: I think “too complicated for mom” is doing a disservice to “mom.” My guess is mom simply didn’t need it. She’s been cooking for 70+ years, is not cooking for more than herself most of the time, so why bother reinventing the wheel. She’s probably not cooking ten pounds of dried beans a week.
Last year I read that instant pots are the most often scrapped new appliance.
SuzieC
@Percysowner: I’m also in Columbus, aka big blue blob in the middle of Ohio. Yes, high winds today but nothing in our neighborhood (Socialist hell Clintonville) was damaged.
eclare
@Percysowner: Oh shit! So glad it didn’t hit you or your house.
Geminid
@Omnes Omnibus: The dropoff in off-year elections used to be a big problem for Virginia Democrats, but they picked up the pace since 2016. We backslid some in 2021, so the legislative elections this fall will be a critical test test for Democratic GOTV power in an off year election.
bbleh
@WaterGirl: to be clear, I’m not talking about the state of society; I’m talking about the political prospects. Trumpism — and not just Trumpism but the longer history of Republicanism — has fucked things up good for a lot of people (myself included, though not nearly as badly as many). And right now, we are living through the immediate consequences of Trumpism — notably but not exclusively the reactionary Supreme Court — and unfortunately those things are not going away quickly.
But the way to make them go away — to mitigate or eliminate the unfairness and cruelties, and to establish rights and supportive government in a lasting way — is to gain control of the political branches. And when that happens, good things DO happen — think ACA (which probably saved my life among many others), or the right to marriage, just to name a few. And that is what I think is going well.
WaterGirl
@scav: Tap dancing is good!
J R in WV
@smith:
ChristoFascists is my favorite term for them!
cain
@schrodingers_cat:
Yes – I love my instant pot – I think you already got teh air fryer right?
Here is another great thing about that instant pot – great for travel. You can cook stuff in hotel rooms since it is an electric appliance. :)
cain
@WaterGirl:
That’s why I posted here – I saw it on my twitter feed by one of those liberal influencers who always start with “BREAKING..” – most of the time I ignore it.
Spanky
More bad news. Mitch is out of rehab.
Geminid
So an hour or so ago, Reuters reported that Mitch McConnell returned home after his stay in the hospital and a rehab unit.
Ed. I guess I’m playing Jack Jouett to Spanky’s Paul Revere.
RevRick
The modern GOP is the white peoples’ party. It is built on white male supremacy. White females can get on board with the white part and minority males can get on board with the male part of that equation.
The modern Democratic Party is a coalition of coalitions. While white people can default to the GOP, those who are Democrats consciously decide to do so, and tend to be the most liberal members of the coalition. For minorities, their choices are more constrained— they can either be Democrats or choose for some odd reason to join a party that sees them as the enemy. The result is that those minorities who are Democrats tend to encompass a wider range of ideology. Democratic Party leaders thus have to straddle a broader range of opinions and cater to contending interests of the various elements. We include a greater segment of atheists and agnostics and black South Carolina church ladies.
The GOP has a single-minded focus on serving the god of white male supremacy. We have a multiplicity of interests and visions.
Wyatt Salamanca
@Another Scott:
Hi, I logged off early yesterday and just wanted to say thanks for identifying the source of that cool image on WaterGirl’s No Fucks Left To Give post from last night.
Quinerly
@trollhattan:
I was looking thru the thread too
That pic of Gaetz and MTG…ugh.
Looks like Ted Nugent is stealing the show with lines like, “I want my money back! I didn’t authorize any money to Ukraine for some homosexual weirdo!”
That thread is gold if you got the stomach for it.
MagdaInBlack
@Quinerly: I just sent the “trump or death 2024” flag on jeep one to a friend. She responded that she has been seeing some trump 2024 signs, in Lasalle County, Illinois, which is north central Illinois. Ugh, she said.
Quinerly
@MagdaInBlack:
Ugh, indeed. Did you notice from those clips all these overweight White men in the white polo shirts with red MAGA hats? I did some double takes at the the passing crowds. They are dressing like him.
MagdaInBlack
@Quinerly: I noticed. They’re such incredibly weird people.
WaterGirl
@Quinerly:
That’s creepy. I can’t decide whether it’s worse if they are doing it deliberately, or if it’s unconscious.
pacem appellant
@Omnes Omnibus: “vast majority” was hyperbole, since that is the perception of who shows up to protest social progress. Also, all the “hate” preachers are Evangelical.
“Vast plurality” doesn’t carry the same verbal force, but is the actual demographics for the last year that Pew conducted the Religious Landscape Survey in 2014. 25% of American xtians are Evangelical. The next-largest denomination is Catholics at 20%.
src: pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/
japa21
@pacem appellant:
Evangelical is not a denomination. There can be Evangelicals in almost every denomination. If only 25% see them selves as evangelicals, it’s almost like a generous minority, but not plurality.
pacem appellant
@japa21:
I cited Pew Research, the veritable gold standard of demographic research in the US. I have no desire to argue doctrinal nomenclature. For the purposes of Pew Research, Evangelical is and is understood to be a denomination of xtianity.
JoyceH
@Quinerly:
This has just been bugging me lately, and it’s not just MAGA hats, it’s baseball caps generally. Can’t baseball caps PLEASE just be over?! They’re not flattering to anyone, and they’re just goofy, but they’ve been around forever and they’re not going away. Make them go away!
WaterGirl
@pacem appellant: That matches my experience, as well.
BeautifulPlumage
I just saw this post and am sorry to say Marie doesn’t come until tomorrow. I did have to verify she wasn’t the one with “mittens”; I don’t do well with that breed!
japa21
@pacem appellant:
And in this case they are wrong.
schrodingers_cat
@cain: Yes I did buy the Instant vortex. I like it a lot. And use it at least a couple times a week.
Its great at reheating samosas and making tandoori chicken among other things.
WaterGirl
@BeautifulPlumage: I will expect to see more photos soon, then!
Mel
@WaterGirl: She’s so beautiful!
Percysowner
@SuzieC: Hey, I’m in Clintonville as well. We’re neighbors!
WaterGirl
@Mel: Thank you! She was begging for something she really wanted, but I don’t remember what that was!
Ksmiami
@Dangerman: I hope MAGATs try it… just send in the drones
Ksmiami
@Spanky: he’s in for decline sooner than later…
brantl
I think we can go with: “If you want to be for a party that is pro-all-people, rather than a party that is simply anti-quite-a-lot of people, then your only choice is the democratic party.” I think that pretty much covers it, doesn’t it?