Nancy Pelosi: “…you have to be prepared to throw a punch, for the children.” https://t.co/8jQRguNIAs
— Christopher Cadelago (@ccadelago) March 22, 2023
It’s not bragging when you’ve actually done it…
Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s advice to women aspiring to succeed in politics or the workplace is simple: Know your motivation, and don’t be afraid to throw a punch.
The California Democrat, the first woman to serve as House speaker and one of a few in history to hold the position twice, was interviewed by Wall Street Journal Editor in Chief Emma Tucker at WSJ’s Women in the Workplace Forum on Tuesday evening at Lincoln Center in New York.
“Just have so much confidence,” she told women in attendance. “Difference of opinion is a very big strength, that’s why we need more women at the table.”…
In her remarks Tuesday, she said women’s ambitions can benefit from both solid preparation and embracing the reason they are pursuing a job or higher office.
“Know your why. Why do you want to undertake this. To be in Congress. To be in the news business, to be in entertainment, to be in the corporate world…why should you be the one that has that particular position at that time.”For her, as a mother of five children, she said she was focused on improving the lives of children nationwide, struck by a statistic that more than one in five children in the U.S. live in poverty.
When asked why anyone would want to pursue a career in politics, Mrs. Pelosi referred to Theodore Roosevelt. “When you’re in the arena, you have to be prepared to take a punch, it’s rough in the arena, and you have to be prepared to throw a punch, for the children,” she said…
If you want to get a crowd of women leaders at the White House to cheer especially loud, mention Nancy Pelosi.
— Christina Reynolds (@creynoldsnc) March 22, 2023
Praise when due never hurts, either:
On this day in 2010, we beat the odds, the special interests and the price gougers when House Democrats delivered health care for millions of Americans — and we’ll never stop fighting to protect it!! -NP #DemocratsDeliveredHealthCare pic.twitter.com/LL7q5wwc0s
— Nancy Pelosi (@TeamPelosi) March 21, 2023
Your personal stories and mobilization made the Affordable Care Act possible and helped us save it again and again from Republican sabotage.
Getting the ACA done for the people was the happiest day of my official life — I knew health care reform would save lives! -NP #ACA13 https://t.co/VBBoMFAljC
— Nancy Pelosi (@TeamPelosi) March 22, 2023
NEW from me: Pelosi on cleric who barred her from Communion: ‘That’s his problem, not mine’ —> https://t.co/ulZBhwHnir
— Jack Jenkins (@jackmjenkins) March 23, 2023
Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi issued a rare public rebuke of her home bishop on Thursday (March 23), voicing choice words for Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone and other prelates during a wide-ranging interview about the intersection of politics and her Catholic faith.
Her remarks came during an event hosted by Georgetown University’s Center on Faith and Justice as part of a “Higher Calling” series focused on the faith of politicians. When Jim Wallis, the center’s executive director, mentioned that people of faith “don’t always agree with the leaders of our church on every matter of policy,” Pelosi referenced tensions between herself and members of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops as a result of her public advocacy for abortion rights.
Without mentioning him by name, Pelosi singled out Cordileone, who oversees her home archdiocese of San Francisco. Cordileone barred Pelosi from receiving Communion in churches under his purview last year because of her stance on legalizing abortion…
Pelosi singled out Cordileone again later in the program while responding to a question about her support for LGBTQ rights. She noted the key role the bishop played in the passage of California’s Proposition 8, briefly banning in the state same-sex marriage — which church leaders have decried as outside “God’s plan for marriage and family.”
“We’ve had very, very negative anti-LGBTQ stuff coming from our archbishop,” she said, later adding: “He’s made it very clear: Maybe we’re not all God’s children. Maybe we do not have a free will.”…
The rest of the interview, which stretched nearly an hour and a half, touched on Pelosi’s personal faith and approach to politics. She noted that her mother wanted her to be a nun, but Pelosi said she was more drawn to the priesthood, particularly the officiating of the Eucharist.
“Maybe one day women will be able to do that as well,” she said. “That’s something to think about, and I was hoping the pope would too.”…
Near the end of her remarks, Pelosi made a point to highlight concerns about transgender Americans, noting that Republicans in various state legislatures have developed hundreds of bills “to attack trans families.”
Her comments come just days after the USCCB’s doctrine committee unveiled a document discouraging Catholic health care groups from performing gender-affirming medical procedures used by transgender people.
“All God’s children — they all have their own dignity and worth, their own individuality, their own authenticity,” she said, referring to transgender Americans. “That’s a beautiful thing for us to embrace: all God’s creation.”
Baud
Jesus stands with Nancy.
Baud
Via reddit, not real, but funny.
https://i.redd.it/51li1y0j0wpa1.jpg
Mousebumples
I’m so proud of all that Nancy accomplished as Speaker and Dem Leader. 👏👏
In open topic/women running for office in Wisconsin news – reminder that there’s a postcarding & music thread tonight at 745pm eastern (blog time). Last day to mail** for most will be Tuesday of next week, so the usual Tuesday night thread is moved to Monday. And then the next Tuesday is Election Day, so we’ll have a results and music thread at that time… And maybe more postcards if we can find another campaign.
So – 745pm eastern, postcard/music posts on:
~Tonight
~Monday, March 27
~Tuesday, April 4 (also election returns, maybe, though polls won’t be closed yet when the thread goes up)
I’ve got another 30 I’ve been working on to mail out today, and then I’ll start the next batch. Hope to see some of you there tonight!
**If you live in Wisconsin or a bordering state, you should have until Wednesday, March 28 to mail, if you can get a few more postcards out. 😊
Frankensteinbeck
My god. Have I ever heard ‘for the children’ before in politics when the actual meaning wasn’t ‘for the parents’?
EDIT – Only sort of on that topic, I remember reading Mary Shelley’s books and being struck by her belief that parents should measure their success by how happy their children were as adults. A woman with many, many issues, but I loved her for that.
raven
@Frankensteinbeck: It’s a new world of Gods and Monsters!
OzarkHillbilly
The f’n hubris of these fucks, thinking they are capable of knowing the infinite minds of their Gods.
Matt McIrvin
@Frankensteinbeck: Her most famous story is basically about the consequences of being a bad dad.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Frankensteinbeck:
Yup.
Generally speaking, sentiments which are stated about doing something “for the children” generally precede something stupid. I wish she hadn’t used that phrasing.
Children are just people. They’re no more special than any other person aside from their vulnerability due to age (and incidentally, this also applies to senior citizens as well as other people who aren’t in complete control of their lives). We have a warped political system where narrowly focusing government programs and protections on age demographics as opposed to vulnerability has provided a tool for plutocrats and theocrats to manipulate us to their advantage.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone😊😊😊
Frankensteinbeck
@Matt McIrvin:
Yep. A factor too many people miss, because movies almost always portray the monster as stupid. It goes evil because Frankenstein takes one look at it, goes, “It’s ugly, I hate it,” and literally throws it in the garbage.
Although I would argue the most important and subtlest element of the book is that the monster was predisposed to evil because it had exactly the same personality as its creator. They were both vengeful. totally self-absorbed assholes who cared about other people’s lives to the extent those lives were useful, and no more. Frankenstein gets mad at the monster for murdering because Frankenstein might get the blame.
OzarkHillbilly
The gift that keeps on giving.
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
raven
@Frankensteinbeck: Damn, I tried to post the clip
It’s a new world of Gods and Monsters.
Frankensteinbeck
@raven:
Oh, very nice! Thank you!
raven
@Frankensteinbeck: Have you seen the film with Ian McCellan, Lynn Redgrave and Brendan Fraser? Stunningly great movie that should have done much better at the box office.
Final scene.
p.a.
The “hurricane of fucking lies” modern religionists emit to bullshit over the basic agnosticism of the US Constitution is a moderately sized industry itself. When there’s money to be made and throats to be stepped on there’ll be a market.
Frankensteinbeck
@OzarkHillbilly:
Yep, that’s DDT. Incredibly low toxicity, but the stuff lasts and lasts and lasts, concentrating in animals until there’s enough to be dangerous, and still won’t go away. Ugh. And they were throwing it around. Literally bathing in it, it’s so low-toxicity. Abandoned centuries of agricultural learning we may never get back, because who needed to plant decoy crops anymore?
H.E.Wolf
I agree with your comment that children are (vulnerable) people. I also trust Pelosi’s experience, expertise, and judgment. She knows her subject material, and her audience(s), far better than I do.
ChicagoPat
Just one of love some public political figure to point out the glaringly obvious fact that the Catholic Church is the last institution on the fucking planet that should be lecturing anyone on morality.
Baud
I’m fine with focusing on children. We’re better for children and parents than the GOP and we should lean into it. Old people are disproportionately GOP anyway.
artem1s
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
Maybe it’s exactly the quote she should use. Otherwise, how can we expect Dems to seize back the meaning of words. This is what is needed and something she does very well because she has credibility she can punch back with. She’s showing the world what the phrase actually should mean and backs it up with actions that fit, instead of using it as a means to gather power and money.
Ohio Mom
@Frankensteinbeck: Nora Ephron famously said something along the lines of, A successful parent is one who raises children who as adults can pay for their own therapy.
ETA, she left her adult children gobs of money so not sure how she would apply this to herself.
Frankensteinbeck
@artem1s:
I lean to this sentiment. An appeal to protecting children will always sound morally righteous. Why not fight back by stressing that liberal policies are good for children and conservative policies awful? I’m not sure it can work in practice, but it might and it would be great. Please, let’s turn away from four decades of evangelicals convincing the rest of the country that their Hellishly abusive desire to control their children is responsible parenting.
Michael Bersin
Louder dog whistles are now standard operating procedure for right wingnut republican members of Congress:
Keep government out of our Medicare and Social Security
Ken
@OzarkHillbilly: Especially when the Bible makes it clear that God’s plan for marriage is one man, four women. Plus as many concubines as he can afford to support.
Of course that’s Genesis through Kings. Christians may prefer to look to the New Testament, where Paul tells people they should be eunuchs and not marry, unless they are unable to control their lusts.
Suzanne
@Baud:
I’m fine with it, too, because I do think that our responsibilities are slightly different when it comes to kids than to old people. Each of us who has kids took affirmative steps to creating them, we accepted that responsibility, and therefore, IMO, we owe them a good start…. Nutrition, education, housing, love, support. I believe that Social Security, Medicare, et al, are a social contract and vitally important, but I understand and think it’s reasonable when adult children don’t want to care for their parents in their old age. No one accepted that responsibility by being born. However, if you have kids, the very nature of that relationship is that you care for them until they can care for themselves. Part of that whole “borrowing the earth from our children” dynamic, rather than “inheriting it from parents”.
So I’m okay with Nancy Smash phrasing it this way. Usually when politicians say that something is “for the children”, they’re craven liars. But I think we should genuinely invest more resources in children and young people.
Baud
@Suzanne:
The nature of the obligation to care for old people is very cultural.
Baud
On a more meta level, I think our side has a bad habit of ceding whole subjects to the GOP because we view the subject itself to be conservative: national security, crime, the economy. I think it’s a political mistake, although I think we’re getting better.
Geminid
Reports are that at least 24 people were killed by tornados in Mississippi last night, mainly in the northern half of the state. I hope the Mississippi jackals made it through ok.
Jeffro
The Post has a really cool article up about how many states are considering updating their state flags.
(Utah just did theirs; it looks pretty cool)
Check it out when you get a chance! I know we have more pressing priorities here in Virginia, but I’d be thrilled if they got rid of our S.O.B.* flag and replaced it with something cooler (and PG rated!)
*(state) seal on blue (background). ;)
Baud
@Geminid:
Holy cow. That’s a lot.
Suzanne
@Baud: Agreed. SuzMom lives with me and can count on my care and protection in her old age, but she earned that by being an active parent. Suz(Bio)Dad can rot under a bridge, for all that I care.
I am of the opinion that the expectation that your kids will care for you is toxic. We have a social contract to care for old people. But I don’t assume a family contract like I do for kids.
Geminid
@Baud: Tornados seem bigger and earlier these days.
Geminid
@Baud: Mare Peltola’s slogan “Fish, Family, Freedom” is an example of seizing “conservative” issues (although they don’t talk fish so much).
Peltola’s slogan was uniquely suited to to Alaska. When I ran it by a friend who lived in the state for 10 years, her response was, “Perfect.”
BlueGuitarist
@Mousebumples:
yay for postcards to get out the vote!
What:
postcards to Get Out the Vote
Why:
We can help flip the majority on the WI Supreme Court
Postcards are an effective way to get out the vote, which will matter more in low turnout elections such as odd numbered years.
In 2019 WI Supreme Court election
D 600 thousand votes
R 606 thousand votes.
That’s half a percentage point difference.
2020 each party 1.6 million votes.
That’s a million votes not mobilized for each side.
(not the most recent one, but because odd numbered year, best comparison. More recent 2020, defeated the same R candidate).(These elections are officially nonpartisan.)
How:
Link to WaterGirl’s how to postcard post:
https://balloon-juice.com/postcards-for-wisconsin/
How to get postcards quickly:
MazeDancer has templates you can use to print your own postcards, some specific to WI Supreme Court election, some widely applicable GOTV
https://www.postcardpatriots.com/free-postcards
Also, Post Office sells prestamped postcards.
Who:
You can can write postcards
We can do it together
Candidate:
Janet Protasiewicz
When:
Postcard threads: tonight, Monday night, you don’t have to write them at that time.
mail cards by Tuesday, March 28.
Where:
wherever you are
if you’re in a state near Wisconsin, you get one more day to mail postcards.
Michael Bersin
@Baud:
“…On a more meta level, I think our side has a bad habit of ceding whole subjects to the GOP…”
Campaign consultants.
In state legislative district campaigns in Missouri over twenty years ago consultants counseled that the response to questions about abortion should be: “Abortion should be legal, safe, and rare.”
The answer should have been: “Why would anyone want the state or someone else to interfere in their personal medical decisions?”
Ken
@Jeffro: I can hardly wait for the new sovereign citizen argument that changing the state flag invalidates all state laws.
Baud
@Michael Bersin:
Eh, that seems more like a messaging issue than a substantive issue. That’s not really what I was trying to get at.
Suzanne
@Michael Bersin: Agreed. One thing that I think we’re rhetorically bad at is the reframe, or the concept of turning weakness into strength. Like you said, they say abortion is murder, and we respond with minutiae about fetal development by week and ectopic pregnancies (all of which are important, mind you….just not really rhetorically strong). The best answer is always why do you think government should be invading my personal life? Why don’t you respect my personhood? Why are you willing to use force of law to take away freedom for women?
UncleEbeneezer
UncleEbeneezer
@Geminid: I think we need to show imagery of LGBTQ kids, adults, couples etc., happy and out with the words “THIS is what ‘Freedom’ looks like”
WaterGirl
@Geminid:
All weather-related incidents these days seem bigger, stronger, earlier.
It’s almost like something has changed. Related to climate. //
Matt McIrvin
@Jeffro: Hmm. I might have simplified the Utah design a little more, but it’s a vast improvement over their old flag.
Massachusetts desperately needs a new one and a commission was appointed to come up with one a while back, but as far as I know there’s been radio silence since then. There are a lot of obvious motifs with historical weight–pine trees, red ensigns–but part of the problem is that a lot of those are already in use by other entities in the region and they probably want something that looks distinct. But our state maritime ensign is just a pine tree on a white background, and they could do worse than to simply adopt that as the state flag.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Suzanne: Coincidentally, the sorts of olds who shriek like a four year old getting a shot over any potential tax increase for school spending (“but muh fixed income”) are the same sorts of olds whose children don’t like to talk to them much.
It’s a mystery, I tells ya….
schrodingers_cat
OT: IDK whether you guys saw the deeply disturbing event that happened in India yesterday. The BJP majority in the lower house of the Parliament has used the spurious and politically motivated decision of the lower court in Gujarat to disqualify Rahul Gandhi from being a Loksabha member
I am thinking of hosting a Twitter space to figure out what we/I can do about India’s acceleration towards an openly despotic regime.
Jeffro
@Ken: Ha! No doubt about it, some will try.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
I hope there will be blowback.
NotMax
Merits a hearty “Heh!” on oddballitude alone.
:)
Quinerly
Excellent background read on Waco. I remember the standoff but either missed a lot of these details or forgot.
I can guarantee Waco meant nothing to Trump. I bet he hardly paid attention. I have to wonder who in Trump’s inner circle is advising him. I want some reporting on Trump’s circle. He’s lost a lot of people. Is this a Steven Miller or Bannon thing?
https://joycevance.substack.com/p/why-waco
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: I hope so too. Most prominent opposition leaders have issued a statement in support of Rahul Gandhi. IDK whether it will be enough. BJP and its bhaktulees are very invested in what others think of them especially the west. I wonder what we can do to pressure our lawmakers to a stand against this slide into open fascism.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@WaterGirl:
Any talk about the climate change hoax is communism. Since your words can be read in Florida and Texas, you can be charged with felony communism in both states, with your sentences to be served consecutively. You can expect to be raided by bounty hunting teams from Florida or Texas as soon as they can get to your door.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
Probably not a whole lot, given the international situation right now and India’s place in it.
OzarkHillbilly
I should say so.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
Pfft. If they really want to impress me, they’d find a way to disprove Pythagoras’s theorem.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Can you elaborate. Thanks.
I am going to see if I can talk to my representative in Congress.
Matt McIrvin
…During one of the previous rounds of talk about flag redesigns, I bothered to look up the flag of my city, Haverhill, Massachusetts.
It’s rarely seen and seems to have been the outcome of a civic fight. It actually has a basis in a pretty good flag, vexillologically speaking–a dark green ensign with a red-on-white St. George’s cross in the canton. The flag has historical colonial connections to Haverhill. The only problem is, it’s also the flag of Newbury, Massachusetts. So at some point, I think in the 1960s, Haverhill just slapped the city seal on the green field of theirs and called it a day. The wording of the resolution suggests to me that there was some spite involved.
I’ve occasionally wondered how we could fix it. I like the green ensign–you don’t see a huge number of those. Haverhill has been playing up its former status as a shoe-manufacturing center in civic symbolism, so it might be cool to either replace the city seal with a shoe, or (my preference) just get rid of the seal and replace the St. George’s cross with a red shoe, which takes it further away from the Newbury design. Some people would probably moan about removing the red cross, but it’s also a symbol favored by white supremacists these days, so eh.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Just move to a spherical surface!
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
The US wants India to be a counterweight to China, mostly.
Suzanne
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
Yuuuuuuup.
I would also like to dispense with the idea that basic-ass providing for one’s kids is generosity or something they owe back. No, that’s the obligation you took on when you had them. See also: you don’t babysit you own kid, that’s parenting.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat: Flat Earth forever!
OzarkHillbilly
@schrodingers_cat: Heh, thanx for the chuckle.
Gin & Tonic
@Matt McIrvin: Ah, a vexillology thread, very nice. Here in RI, I happen to believe we have a very nice design for the state flag – clear, simple, easy to read.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Good luck with that. BJP is too afraid of China. And completely dependent on Russia for oil. Those are the ground realities that Washington cannot change.
Suzanne
@OzarkHillbilly: So SuzUncle, at a similar age, attempted to prove that one could trisect an angle using Euclidean geometry. Apparently one cannot, but his proof was so good that his teachers had to find a math professor at Cornell or somewhere to disprove it.
SuzUncle is a smart dude, which makes it extra-weird that he lives in Florida.
schrodingers_cat
Guess who are “friends” at the Jacobin blame for Modi’s rise.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat: Leftists?
UncleEbeneezer
@OzarkHillbilly: My first reactions:
1.) Wow! So cool. You go, girls!
2.) Oh f***, every damn place that hosts this article is going to immediately become a cesspool of totally-not-racist, white dudes who barely even passed HS Trig, Well-Actually-ing their achievement in the comments.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Obama and their favorite bugbear neo-liberalism.
Matt McIrvin
@Gin & Tonic: Rhode Island’s flag is a great one, always has been. I don’t think the Wikipedia illustration is quite correct–in practice, you usually see outlines drawn around the yellow elements to give them contrast with the white background. (Just slapping yellow on white is a flag/heraldry no-no, but that’s what the outlines are for.)
Jeffro
@Matt McIrvin: It is kind of funny how many state flags are SO crowded (whether they have a seal or not) with all the various state tree/flower/bird and industries, etc.
Half of them have the state name printed on them, too. It makes playing “Statele” a lot easier, that’s for sure. =)
BlueGuitarist
@schrodingers_cat:
Just saw a reference to twitter enabling Indian government censorship of twitter
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/twitter-canada-india-rupi-kaur-jagmeet-singh-1.6787760
article has links to news reports of dozens of arrests and shutting down internet in Punjab, and also interference in foreign elections.
Geminid
@Geminid: Rep. Peltola reprises the Fish, Family, Freedom slogan on her Twitter heading. And for March, she’s doing a “Fish Madness” tournament, brackets and all.
The contest is now down to the Round of Eight: Northern Pike vs. Pink Salmon, Sockeye Salmon vs. Halibut, Coho Salmon vs. Rainbow Trout and Chinook Salmon vs. Walleye, which is considered the Cinderella of the tournament.
But Mary Peltola can be serious too. Her latest Tweet:
Baud
@schrodingers_cat: And they wonder why people don’t take the left seriously.
schrodingers_cat
@BlueGuitarist: This is nothing new. Twitter, Forcebook and YouTube always bow to the governments of the countries they operate in. And this is not the first time it has happened in India.
OzarkHillbilly
@UncleEbeneezer: Comes with the territory of being a high performing woman of color.
Cheryl from Maryland
OT, Samuel Alito owns that he is unfit for the Supreme Court with his remarks on tape: “Well, I went to a law school where I didn’t learn any law,” said Justice Alito, who went to Yale.
Omnes Omnibus
@Geminid: Well, my final lour picks are Northern Pike, Sockeye Salmon, Rainbow Trout, and Walleye. I’ve got the trout as national champ.
Kay
@Michael Bersin:
I hear this a lot – that the rhetorical approach should have been based on liberty or womens agency or (your) approach which is highlight the privacy right, but I think that ignores that a lot of the rhetoric around abortion was itself sexist, influenced by negative attitudes towards women. It had to be what it was because the whole issue was constrained and defined by the prevailing sexist attitudes (attitudes even among liberal men) at the time.
So at the time of Roe it was “a woman and her doctor” would make the decision. The physician was a check on the woman. It wouldn’t have survived court review if they had based it on womens agency or autonomy because womens agency and autonomy would not have been deemed important or desirable by most people in 1970.
Peoples attitudes about abortion track exactly with how they view women. So, Right wing women view women poorly so are more likely to support abortion bans than centrist men are- because centrist men have less negative views of women than Right wing women do.
If they think poorly of women- women are selfish, women are reckless, women are liars- they are more likely to support state bans on abortion. And that makes sense. If you believe women are inherently sinful and untrustworthy- more so than men- you would need harsh laws to constrain them.
Gin & Tonic
@Matt McIrvin: Many of the commercial RI flags have the stars and anchor outlined in dark blue, but the official design does *not* call for that, it’s specified as gold on white. Most commercial flags also have the wrong proportions – the official flag is nearly square, not the more typical 2:3 proportions.
Baud
Balloon Juice should have a flag.
UncleEbeneezer
@OzarkHillbilly: Totally. It’s just so depressing that it is so predictable.
Gin & Tonic
@Omnes Omnibus: So little love for the salt-water species…
Omnes Omnibus
@Cheryl from Maryland:
No one really learns black letter law in law school. You learn legal principles, legal reasoning, and legal research and writing.
BlueGuitarist
@Quinerly:
you’re probably right about tfg not knowing about Waco, but if he did it was probably about Koresh claiming religious right to have sex with children.
Omnes Omnibus
@Gin & Tonic:
I am from a freshwater state.
oldgold
@Cheryl from Maryland: Yes, Alito’s legal education came from misreading the Catechism
Geminid
@Baud: When this forum went down last Spring, I drifted over to the Daily Kuss. It had certain aspects that turned me off but none so much as that awful threaded comment format.
I wanted to post a flag with a snarling Jackal and the words, “Don’t Thread on Me.”
Matt McIrvin
@Suzanne: My dad insisted that one of his college math professors had successfully trisected the angle. I didn’t press for details. But it made me wonder about the quality of the program.
Kay
@Michael Bersin:
If you start thinking of abortion politics as being about how people view women not about how people view “privacy” or how people view “agency and autonomy or liberty” or even about how people view children it starts to make a lot more sense.
Anti choicers don’t do anything to help children because it isn’t about how they feel about chldren- they may dislike or like or love children, who knows. It’s about how they feel about women and they think women are sinful and bad.
ARoomWithAMoose
@Baud: “Balloon Juice should have a flag.”
Maybe a cat and a mop emblazoned on a natty old bathrobe being used as a flag.
OzarkHillbilly
QFT.
different-church-lady
@Jeffro:
In the impending civil war, state flags are going to be very important.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: Green balloons are a sort of flag.
sdhays
My standards for state flags are bottom basement: is it some disgusting homage to the Confederacy? Change it! Otherwise it’s fine.
kalakal
@Baud: Agreed. Conservatives love to talk about crime as though it only happens in blue states/cities yet the worst crime statistics. Chicago, Chicago, Chicago! They bleat but the murder rate in every Trump state is higher than in every Biden state by 40 odd %
Ditto the economy. We should be smashing them on this stuff.
I wonder if Trump laying into DeSantis over Fls terrible crime statistics, hohum economy, and awful Covid numbers will get this noticed by the msm*
*just kidding
citizen dave
Hey if anyone needs two tickets (the opposite of a “miracle” in old Grateful Dead-speak) to the Orange Man Waco event today, I have two I won’t be using. Signed up for laughs…Doors open at 1 p.m., programming starts at 2. (How many times can you hear God Bless the U.S.A.?
Watching the NCAA womens games and was wondering if the current SCOTUS would support Title IX.
LEGAL CITATION: “No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal finance assistance.”
The Supreme Court of the United States ruled in 1984 that Title IX’s non-discrimination and compliance requirements apply to any educational institution that receives federal financial assistance through grants provided directly to its students.
narya
@ARoomWithAMoose: @Baud: Mustard and arugula need to be part of the flag.
OzarkHillbilly
@citizen dave: As many times as I can say, “God has nothing to do with it.”
kalakal
@schrodingers_cat: Yes, I did see that and was shocked. They’re not even trying to hide it which is very scary
Baud
@Geminid:
I like it.
OzarkHillbilly
@narya: Don’t forget the Subaru stuck in a muddy field.
Baud
@narya:
Balloon Man needs to be on there.
different-church-lady
@OzarkHillbilly: Look, this is how state flags get so cluttered in the first place.
Baud
@different-church-lady:
We just need a bigger flag.
kalakal
@Baud:
Edwin Abbott wrote the guidebook
Ohio Mom
@Suzanne:Worth noting that Social Security supports children in dire circumstances, thinking here of The Widows and Orphans benefit (for when the family breadwinner dies) and SSI for low-income children with disabilities.
I am not sure that “Each of us who has kids took affirmative steps to creating them, we accepted that responsibility…” There are a lot of “accidents” in this world, and your wording is dangerously close to the forced birthers’ admonition that “you should have kept your legs closed if you couldn’t afford a child.”
I don’t think there has to be a competition for support among children, the elderly and the disabled (if you want to see a group forced into poverty, look at adults with disabilities. They can’t marry without losing their paltry benefits). We are a wealthy nation.
FelonyGovt
@schrodingers_cat: I did read that, and I was hoping you would comment on it. Seems like a desperate and despotic act- comparable to what Putin would do.
OzarkHillbilly
@different-church-lady: I was looking at Misery’s to confirm my memory of how bad it is. It has 24 stars in it twice. 24 in a circle around the state seal and 24 above the 2 bears. I guess they are afraid people will forget that Misery was the 24th state in the union.
Kay
If you like podcasts, If Books Could Kill is a good one. Really well done and genuinely funny. They take apart the sort of faddish, ideologically Right leaning books that centrists and Righties fall in love with.
This was their podcast on The Coddling of the American Mind:
“Light on facts and heavy on cherry picked anecdotes” could describe all these popular “this months fad among pundits” books, really.
Baud
@Kay:
Cherry picked anecdotes are the official fruit of the conservative movement.
ETA: I don’t do podcasts much like I don’t do Twitter, but I appreciate the good people doing yeoman’s work getting the truth out there and fighting back.
kalakal
@schrodingers_cat:
The ultimate tell the world over.
The same in the UK. Used in every second sentence, nearly always in a way that shows they don’t know what it means.
gwangung
@OzarkHillbilly: Love reading about black excellence in the morning…
kalakal
@ARoomWithAMoose:
With gules three pedants passant guardant
Baud
@kalakal:
Seriously, it reminds me of how the right calls everything they don’t like Communist.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
What’s with the bears?
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Kay:
Some of that was at play, sure, but NARAL got itself so wrapped around the choice messaging that they completely obliterated everything that Roe stood for by way of rights to privacy and association, so myopic dudes never had anything to hit them over the head for them to buy into as well. I remember how in the 70s and 80s the same people who shriek like toddlers watching puppies get murdered whenever there was some notion of electronic message retention by law (the Snowjob revelations) were also the people who mocked “penumbras of privacy” in a verbal sneer. I specifically recall articles and programs saying that there is no enshrined right to privacy.
Then came “safe, legal and rare”, with “rare” being the big mistake.
The biggest fuckup came with the partial birth bans, late term bans and the murder of George Tiller. Rather than engaging in an all out information war where every dollar that could be allocated talked about the real stories of why those procedures are necessary and salvific to the women involved, we had either silence or just some shrill language about choice. Against a neverending drumbeat of implications that “vindictive sluts are going to take their pregnant selves to George Tiller or some Indian butcher when they get mad at you for no good reason”, it was as if the very real women with very real crisis pregnancies didn’t exist.
The whole thing makes me sick as to how poorly all of those NARAL, ACLU Choice and Emily’s List donations were used. They should have been buying top ad pros – instead, I think the top tier folks lived well, but little was accomplished.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Massachusetts flag has a native American on it. I remember voting to change it in one of the referendum questions. Don’t know what came of it
They are going to change it but have not found a candidate for the redesign according to my friend Google.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Yep there are a lot of similarities between the two ends of the horseshoe.
BTW did you see BS in his latest book blaming EW for his loss in 2020.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud:
They don’t like twinks.
schrodingers_cat
@Omnes Omnibus: Whut?
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
I thought his latest book was about capitalism.
@Omnes Omnibus:
That actually makes sense for MO.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: That’s title. I just read one paragraph so not sure about the contents of the book.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Omnes Omnibus:
The important stuff I learned for the midterms, semester final exams the bar exam and my later practice came from Gilbert’s.
I can’t say that I learned diddly shit in my classes.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
I didn’t see it. Warren was a non-factor in 2020 other than taking out Bloomberg.
ETA: I suppose he might have won Iowa instead of tied if Warren wasn’t in.
BlueGuitarist
@citizen dave:
Grateful Dead Standard Time: Technical Difficulties, Please Stand By
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Here you go.
In addition to being a capitalist grifter himself he is a misogynist.
Spanky
@Baud:
The Jolly Roger?
Alison Rose
Wonder how our resident anti-Christian troll would feel about Nancy’s comments. Ahem.
BlueGuitarist
@schrodingers_cat:
Iirc for the turnpike logo mass. Took the arrow out of the pilgrim hat
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: If I ever knew, I have forgotten ( i feel like once I knew). The SoS page about the flag says nothing about them, and the only mention the Wiki page has about them is that MO is one of 2 states w/ a bear on the flag, the other being California.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
Thanks. So he’s not making the Iowa point, but making a stupid point that Warren affected Super Tuesday.
Kay
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
I disagree. It wasn’t NARAL or Emilys List who were complacent about abortion rights.
This argument assumes that the agency and autonomy women gained after the 1970’s always existed– it didn’t. No one made the agency and autonomy argument in 1972 because “agency and autonomy for women” was not a majority position. They went to the Mayo Clinic for an abortion argument because physicians were assumed credible and physicians needed autonomy and agency in making decisions for their patients. That’s the only reason Roe flew at all. If they had pegged it on womens freedom or womens bodily autonomy it wouldn’t have happened. Those issues are barely considered important now, 50 years later. In 1972 they weren’t important enough to even enter the argument, outside of feminist groups.
Spanky
@kalakal:
I kinda like it, but needs moar pedants.
Alison Rose
@OzarkHillbilly: The difference being our bear is gay.
Cameron
@Alison Rose: Oh, no. Now you’ve done it…..
Geminid
@Baud: Sanders (and his co-autbor) complained that while the “moderate” candidates- Klobuchar, Buttegieg and O’Rourke (who’d dropped out long before) endorsed Biden, the “progressive” vote remained split between Sanders and Warren. The imitation was that she should have dropped out also and endorsed Sanders.
Alison Rose
@Cameron: Did I send up the Batsignal? The Bratsignal? The Twatsignal?
FelonyGovt
@Kay: Very true. Married women didn’t get the right to have their own credit cards until what, the late 60’s?
Omnes Omnibus
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: Anyone who expected to learn practical, black letter law in law school didn’t do their homework before applying.
Eunicecycle
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: My brother’s niece (by marriage) MOVED TO SCOTLAND to get away from her over bearing parents in Virginia. So of course they went to Scotland and just showed up at her door at which point her husband told them to get out and never return.
Kay
@Geminid:
Ugh- I saw it. So whiny. I can’t believe Bernie Sanders is walking around believing that a group of people endorsing one candidate (in this case Biden) is some kind of unfair manipulation of the rules. He is just WAY too thin skinned and egotistical for presidential politics.
Cameron
@Alison Rose: I hope we don’t find out. Maybe ‘anti-Christian troll’ will slide under the radar if we’re lucky. Not offended by that person’s position, just bored.
OzarkHillbilly
@Alison Rose: Ha! Does it come in rainbow colors?
Anyway
@different-church-lady:
One flag for both Dakotas! Stealth attack to dispense with two Dakotas ..
narya
@Baud: @OzarkHillbilly: So, four quadrants, with a mop, mustard and arugula (these can go in the same quadrant), a mud-stuck vehicle, and a balloon man
ETA: and a rainbow flag in there somewhere.
Alison Rose
@OzarkHillbilly: You can actually get versions of the flag with rainbows! If you want rainbow bears, though, show up at Folsom Street Fair ;)
Eunicecycle
@Jeffro: Ohio’s flag is technically a banner (according to Sheldon Cooper’s Fun with Flags). It has an O on it, which became famous when Obama stood in front of it during a visit here and RWNJ went crazy, claiming “Obama created his own flag!
OzarkHillbilly
@Alison Rose: I really need to get a rainbow flag for my truck just to piss on the local homophobes.
Kay
@FelonyGovt:
I think Roe is underrated as a decision for just that reason. It’s very tactical and it went just as far as one could go at the time. Using a kind of medical model was very smart because they had to come up with a kind of proxy for “womens decision” that would be considered credible- so it’s women and physician, because woman ALONE is not credible enough to pass muster at that time let alone any notion of “womens agency”. She can’t even make a decision in 1972, let alone make ALL decisions.
Baud
@Kay:
I don’t know. Klobucharmemtum was cut off at the knees thanks to Establishment meddling.
Eunicecycle
@Kay: and it was assumed the doctor was a man, a pretty good assumption in that time. I had a friend at that time who refused to see a woman doctor because “they wouldn’t be as good as a man.” Ignoring the barriers a woman would have to get through to become a doctor, she might be better!
prostratedragon
@OzarkHillbilly: Exciting news, for nerdish understandings of the word. Hope it stands up, but such young kids deserve a salute for getting this far.
schrodingers_cat
@Geminid: Kay: Yeah and I love how he always finds someone else to blame for his losses.
He is not popular beyond his cult. And most Ds don’t like him all that much especially when there are other real Ds running
He has been in Congress for over 30 years he is as establishment as they get. He is no outsider.
Cheryl from Maryland
@Omnes Omnibus: My husband, a member of the VA Bar, disagrees with you.
Alison Rose
@Baud: Eh. I’ll just say, I have a friend who worked for her as a speechwriter, and confirmed that she was a nightmare to work for. Granted, the same is probably true of a lot of politicians.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Kay:
God in Heaven, I do keep forgetting that Roe was only five years after Loving – Virginia fought tooth and nail to justify those convictions, and I really lament the lawyers and judges this country had in that era, and which the right is working overtime to resurrect.
In the swirl of litigation around that couple, a local judge issued this dumbass statement in a written opinion in late 1964, denying a motion to vacate the 1959 convictions on constitutional grounds:
These days, they’d probably nominate a fucktard like that to a federal appellate judgeship because he’d be on a Federalist Society short list.
Geminid
@Kay: My understanding is that Warren Burger knew Harry Blackmun had represented the Mayo Clinic while in private practice, so he had Blackmun consult with the doctors at Mayo in order to write a medically sound legal opinion.
I used to hear conservative legal “scholars” sneer at what they said was Roe’s deficient intellectual foundation, but I always thought it was one of the best and most practical decisions the Court handed down in the 20th century.
kalakal
@Kay: That’s always been a major problem for me with Senator Shouty McPointyfinger whenever he runs for President. Even if he were perfect in every other way he’s far, far too thin skinned. He’s a terrible diplomat
Kay
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
I think they’re going after right to counsel next. The Ohio Legislature just announced the state no longer wants to be responsible for funding to cover public defenders in state cases- they want that funded locally.
They’re prepping for the far Right SCOTUS to overturn Gideon v Wainwright.
Baud
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
I didn’t realize Malay was a separate color.
Baud
@Kay:
Easier to lock up black people, and strip them of their voting rights.
NotMax
@Alison Rose
Something about her always seems… off. As if she’s a politician designed by a committee.
Michael Bersin
@Kay:
From June 2009, reality:
Vigil for Dr. George Tiller in Columbia – June 2, 2009 – part 3
Hearing those words contributed to my understanding.
eclare
@raven: That was a really good movie. Highly recommend for anyone who thinks Brendan Fraser can’t act.
BlueGuitarist
@Geminid:
At scotus conferences to discuss cases, burger, wanting to be in the majority to assign the opinion, but not sure which side would be the majority, would often pass, so often that Brennan joked Burger’s tombstone would read, “I’ll pass for the moment”
Gin & Tonic
@Spanky: Pedants on the pennant.
Jeffro
@Eunicecycle: I actually remember that!
RWNJs are sooooo easily manipulated
different-church-lady
@schrodingers_cat: I say keep the flag and give the state back to the natives.
different-church-lady
@Spanky:
The Grumpy Roger, perhaps.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Baud:
I’m going to guess that he was generally writing his bullshit while humming that smarmy tripe “Jesus loves the little children of the world”, but didn’t want to be seen as a plagiarist.
That doesn’t even get to how wrong he was in terms of a basic 1960s high school level knowledge of historical human migration patterns. The man was an idiot in a position of grave responsibility.
As an aside, I hate that song. What it comes down to is that I really hate American fundamentalist hymnography – I find the lyrics infantile and the musical composition sterile and trite. I’m only culturally Christian anymore, but even an apostate like me knows that if you are attempting to honor your deity it should be either triumphant, lamenting or beseeching – not childish or whiny. None of the jerks doing American hymns composes like either the Catholics or the Orthodox. Even the Anglicans have some proper music.
CaseyL
@narya: I was going to say, Tunch and Lily need to be in there, too, but it wouldn’t do to leave out all the other critters, so maybe just a stylized cat and dog (crouchant)… but then things get all cluttered again. Sigh.
Omnes Omnibus
@Cheryl from Maryland: That’s fine. Don’t get me wrong, I loved law school. I far preferred it to any practice of law that I have been a part of. My experience, however, was that law school teaches law as an academic subject. One does not get a practical legal education unless one seeks out experience in clinical programs. Most do not do that. I did not. I went the prestige route which means I could research and write like a motherfucker, but I knew fuck all about anything else when I graduated. There is a reason bar review courses exist.
kalakal
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
Getting Handel & Elgar to help out was a smart move
The Lutherans had Bach which is just cheating
schrodingers_cat
@different-church-lady: Good idea!
NotMax
Hawaii state flag the only one of 50 to incorporate the flag of a foreign nation (Union Jack) in its design.
@Casey
Paw prints in place of stars within the canton.
CaseyL
@Omnes Omnibus: I worked for the Clinical Law program at UW, and loved it. The program has many clinics, all serving people who would otherwise not be able to afford counsel – in areas you wouldn’t expect, too, like Tech Law and Entrepreneurship. (Along with, of course, more traditionally-needed areas like Child Advocacy, Criminal Law, and Immigration Law.)
I think participating in clinics should be required for law students, just as internships and residencies are required for medical students. And for the same reason: practical, hands-on experience
@NotMax: Great idea! Maybe a pawprint border…
narya
@CaseyL: I’d be willing to swap in a cat and dog for the balloon man . . . or have the cat/dog holding a balloon
CaseyL
@narya: A cat and a dog, rampant, flanking the balloon.
eclare
@Ohio Mom: Very well said. Thank you.
NotMax
Arrgh. Fumble fingers fix for above.
@Casey = @CaseyL
Omnes Omnibus
@CaseyL: Ah, but internships and residencies are for people who already have their MD. It is not an exact match.
Kay
@Geminid:
Right and that’s the kind of boilerplate explanation you’re taught in law school. But I’m looking beyond that. Why did they decide on the trimester medical model at all rather than a different legal theory of agency and autonomy and liberty? I think they did that because the idea of women having a right to agency or autonomy or liberty was not a majority view in 1972.
I went to a public school where girls were not allowed to wear pants – had to wear dresses or skirts- in all but the three coldest months. It meant were really cold for the 2 slightly less freezing winter months. It was nuts to do that to little girls – cold, but also forcing little girls into dresses and skirts all the time constrains their movement. They have to be conscious of the dress flipping up. The smallest girls (in cold places) now wear dresses with pants/leggings underneath, I’ve noticed. I was at my grandaughters daycare and this is kind of the little girl uniform- dress plus pants. It’s so they can MOVE. But the rule wasn’t changed until I was in high school.
zhena gogolia
@kalakal: Bach and a fuckton of other great composers.
NotMax
@zhena gogolia
Watching the organ waifs becoming drenched with sweat at the bellows always a crowd pleaser.
;)
Matt McIrvin
@Geminid: Sanders’ fans interpreted Warren taking out Michael Bloomberg as a stab in the back of Bernie Sanders. Everything had to be about him.
Bishop Bag
@BlueGuitarist: Duke University 4 12 1978 Jerry’s mike wasn’t Working for the first 13 minutes of the show. I Love that you phrased it Grateful Dead Standard Time. Last time I saw the Dead at El Monte Legion Stadium Phil’s Bass wasn’t working during the first set…Good Old Grateful Dead…
Also, for Omnes Omnibus and Gin & tonic. The best way I ever learned for preparing Rainbow Trout when I worked at Whiskey Creek in Bishop during the 80’s was pan fry in butter while toasting almonds in the broiler. Finish the trout by adding the almonds to the butter and then deglaze with Amaretto. It made a perfectly delicious almond flavored glaze poured over the finished trout when served!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmr3o0_92f0
KSinMA
@OzarkHillbilly:
Wow!
CaseyL
@Omnes Omnibus: True dat. Though, even as a student (hell, even as an undergrad) students can “shadow” doctors, in clinic and OR. They can’t do anything, but they can watch.
Do law schools have any requirement or elective for students to go to a courthouse and watch trials? That would be invaluable, since real trials aren’t anything like what you see on TV, much less in textbooks. In person is better than Court TV, I should think, because you get a better sense of how people are interacting.
The Lodger
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: Back when I was in choir, my rule was, “If it wasn’t written by a dead German, you shouldn’t be singing it in church.”
narya
@CaseyL: Your knowledge of all of these heraldry terms is truly impressive!
Janee
Religions have always made the rules for their members. To an outsider they look odd to ridiculous, but the believers see something else. I think some of them are chosen to demonstrate the power the religious leaders have over their followers rather than any real doctrinal meaning or symbolism, but that is just me. If a Catholic bishop wants to tell the Catholic laity they have to eat jello standing on their heads, fine by me, but don’t expect anyone else to think it is a requirement.
It really doesn’t do the reputation of Catholicism and Christianity any good to take a position that is cruel and vindictive and punishes decent people for acting decently.
Geminid
@Matt McIrvin: I thought what really got Sanders fans mad at Warren was the controversy concerning Warren’s story about the dinner where Sanders tried to dissuade Warren from running because, he said, a woman could not win.
That story came out during the week before one of the debates. There was already an angry buzzing from the Sanders hive, and then it was like the debate and its aftermath hit that hive with a 2×4. Those hard core Sanders fans were furious at Warren.
But it was Sanders who threw fuel on the fire. When Sanders was asked about that dinner- and he knew he might be- he could have defused the situation with a more gracious and diplomatic answer. A lot of politicians could have and would have, and it speaks to Sanders’ political skills that he did not.
Instead, Sanders acted like a jackass, both in his answer and then after the debate when Warren confronted him. I never liked Sanders to begin with, but I thought he really showed a part of himself that night that was very dicreditable. And his more fervent supporters followed that lead.
StringOnAStick
@Geminid: I’m always amazed at liberal allies who don’t see Sanders sexism. Or his lack of much to show for his political career. Or his thin skin. Or….
Geminid
@StringOnAStick: Sanders had a cult of personality built around him, and many of his fans can not think about him critically. And he had some very ambitious people around him who promoted his legend, and still do.
Fake Irishman
@CaseyL:
A willow tree, too close to a house, on a field of coal black.
Citizen Alan
@Geminid: I didn’t get power back until five am. Which was nightmarish enough to cause? That means my sleep apnea machine has no power and I can’t sleep at all. Five hours of sitting in the dark in a recliner was not fun.
Most of the damage and fatalities were in rolling fork ms, a Delta town which is about a 150 miles away from where I live. There was a separate tornado which struck amory, MS (45 mi away), and hit probably less than a mile from where I was living during my two years teaching in that area. No fatalities there, though.
Geminid
@Citizen Alan: Well, I’m glad it was not worse for you. It must have been a terrifying night for a lot of folks, and a sad morning. I hope the death toll doesn’t rise much higher.
lowtechcyclist
@Baud:
Aw, that would be nothing. Now if they can disprove the law of gravity, that would be a BFD!
Ruckus
@ChicagoPat:
I’m not catholic but was sent to a catholic HS. I did not want to go but mom demanded and I was 11 or 12 so I had zero say in the matter. I was less than impressed. (BTW that is the understatement of the century.) It taught me one thing very, very well. If there is a god, he/she/it surely does not believe in human religions. I knew/believed this before I attended that school, but the proof is in the pudding. And I saw, and had a lot of pudding shoved down my throat.
lowtechcyclist
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
There are some extremely whiny passages in the Bible. Just saying.
And as a born-again Christian, I have to say my attempts to honor my deity don’t fit well into any of the categories you suggest. For one thing, I really despise Christian triumphalism: given how much evil there is in the world, we’re a long way from triumph.
Not to mention, for a lot of Christianists, triumphalism tends to slide right into punching down on all those disgusting sinners out there who are hurting nobody but themselves if they’re hurting anyone at all, which they’re usually not.
To the extent that mine can be categorized, they tend to center around sheer amazement at the Lord’s continued presence in my life, and thankfulness for it.
Beseeching – not a word I would use, given its shades of meaning nowadays, but in the general sense of asking, definitely: I pray for others I know and have heard of, and for the world in general. Not much lamentation, though.
lowtechcyclist
@Ruckus:
Well at least that way, you didn’t have to scoop it up with three fingers.
Ruckus
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
I don’t get this. Because I’m an almost 74 yr old geezer and I no longer pay taxes. I did for sure pay them when I was working – up to about 1 1/2 yrs ago. So unless one is making a rather large reasonable sum from their retirement fund, a retired old fart likely won’t be paying taxes, other than sales tax and at least here in CA we don’t pay that on food.
Ruckus
@oldgold:
Been gone for a while and just saw this.
That is cold. Frozen food cold. No, Antarctic cold.
Also seems to be absolutely true.