I loved this image the second I saw it. I don’t know the original context for the photo, but when I saw it earlier this week it was obviously supposed to be Hillary hearing about the indictment.
The fact that both Hillary and Al Gore didn’t shrivel up with anger and bitterness after each respective election was stolen is absolute proof that we have the best people.
Speaking of all the best people, we have 25 RSVPs for tonight’s zoom at 7 pm Eastern.
Anyone else want to join us? Send me an email, and include your nym please, and I will send you a link.
If you haven’t received the zoom link I sent out, please drop me an email and I will try again.
Doors open at 6:45.
What’s everyone up to on this fine Saturday?
Even I shriveled up in anger and bitterness. Some say I am still shriveled.
@Baud: I’m just a little wrinkled, nothing a hot iron couldn’t fix.
We went to a play, “Eurydice”, at a local college. Sadly it didn’t really cut it for me, the dialog was a mess.
Dorothy A. Winsor
We’re heading for Peru, docking at Lima tomorrow. Today we saw a giant school of mackerel, followed by sea birds, and then by whales. So that was exciting.
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Are you on a cruise?
Dorothy A. Winsor
@schrodingers_cat: Yes. We boarded in Valparaiso, Chile and have been sailing up the west coast of South American. There aren’t many stops but they’re all at places we’ve never been before. Two days ago, we were in Iqueque, which is in northern Chile. We went to an abandoned saltpeter mine and then to see some geoglyphs. The desert around there was like a lunar landscape.
Apparently Biden, Obama, and Hillary had a phone call recently.
She’s very photogenic. What a gal!
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Sounds lovely. I hope you have a great trip.
Hope it is not obnoxious to repost from earlier today link to gotv phone calls for Wisconsin in the next 4 days and to an article about getting out the vote for the Wisconsin state Supreme Court election which may be of interest, eg the description of Supermarket Legends
link to article:
Link to phone bank from anywhere for Wisconsin state Supreme Court election:
I actualy love the way it is so easy to get goofy pictures of Hillary. She is pretty, and sensible, and always restrained, but she just cannot disguise the underlying enthusiasm and energy.
Dorothy A. Winsor
She handled the 2016 election outcome far better than a lot of us did
Hillary is a much better person than I am. I knew that a long time ago, when Bill was President, when she didn’t poison the entire White House Press Corpse. She had their number from the very start.
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
sounds awesome. Are you stopping at the guano islands?
Ok been thinking about this all day.
Mitch McConnell has been MIA for weeks. No reports, no videos, nuthin. Jeremy what’s his name put out some media while he was still in a hospital bed after being run over.
We seriously need to know where the Senate leader is during this time of crisis in our country. I wish people with big platforms would start fucking speculating. Where is he? Who is leading? Can we bring up some shit for a vote while he is gone FFS, and start asking when they will elect a new leader since the current one seems to be completely incapacitated?
At least Diane Feinstein shows up to work.
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Better than almost anyone else did. It would have crushed anyone else less resilient. Classy and patriotic. She would have been my role model but why bother aspiring to the impossible.
West of the Rockies
Legit questions. Did his concussion actually cross over into TBI territory? If so, his bad is it?
Brit in Chicago
“The fact that both Hillary and Al Gore didn’t shrivel up with anger and bitterness after each respective election was stolen is absolute proof that we have the best people.”
I think we should not say that the 2016 election was stolen. Yes, HRC got more votes that TFG, so he only won in virtue of the Electoral College, but that’s the system; I don’t like it, but that doesn’t mean that it’s not the law. Likewise the election was no doubt affected by Comey’s intervention but, again, people, including public officials, lying or misleading the public about a politician is part of the system we have. I don’t like that either, but the law does not forbid it. Rule of law is the fundamental value, and calling law-abiding actions “theft” muddies the waters.
What crisis are you referring to?
Repost from downstairs:
Click on the link to get to the original story.
@sab: She is pretty, and I like hearing people say so. Not that “pretty” should matter at all, but it just has always made me angry that, amongst all the other mean things people have said about her, they call her ugly so often, and I’m like…I think she’s always been very comely and still is. Plus, she’s a rare white lady who can wear basically any color and look good in it. Other than Hills and the Queen, there aren’t many of them!
@Leto: I front-paged a different call with Obama, Biden and Harris earlier this week. That was fun, too.
@HumboldtBlue: broken link
Let’s try this, then.
Here’s the article link
Could you please remove comment #22?
@Brit in Chicago: Read the Mueller Report.
@Another Scott: Yeah, that’s pretty concerning.
@Leto: That’s a good version!
@HumboldtBlue: Wow, that is really interesting!
@HumboldtBlue: Works. Thanks.
That reminded me of Erik Aukan’s Bayeux Tapestry memes on Twitter. They seem to be gone now. :-/
It really is, and something I have never noticed before.
Yes, he has seemingly disappeared, as has a Ukrainian who used the tapestry to mock the Russians in the same manner.
@HumboldtBlue: Can I be unkind and say I will remember that. Not phallically. Just wondering what I missed. Sorry to jump on your deletion
ETA Just saw higher up the thread. Like most of us late-to-the thread types, we are late
It’s entirely possible his fall was preceded by a stroke.
For anyone interested, Senator Fetterman is being featured in an interview segment with Jane Pauley on CBS Sunday Morning tomorrow. I’m very interested in what he has to say about his experience.
@Another Scott: McConnell has whips who can run things without him. Since the GOP votes against any important bill the Dems bring to the floor, it’s not like they need a legislative mastermind.
@zhena gogolia: @WaterGirl: I’d read a book series starring those three solving mysteries, or just doing something akin to that. I feel like a good writer could make an interesting series with those three.
@CaseyL: “Master… how should we vote while you’re gone?”
”Ok, so carry on with the original plan.”
GOP since 2008.
I just filed our Fed Income taxes. I moved from TaxAct to FreetaxUSA.com because TaxAct is constantly upselling and the UI has become harder for me to deal with.
I entered all the data I was going to with TaxAct a few days ago and I swore I would never use it again. Then I thought about last year and had come close to ditching it, and how this year I actively looked for alternatives but settled for TaxAct because I could just import last years data and save some time. I didn’t want to be hostage again next year so I looked again at alternatives before spending the money and filing.
As it turned out the Import from PDF function in FreeTaxUSA works really well, I didn’t lose anywhere near the data than thought I would. Then I re-entered the data and it worked so much better than TaxAct, (and I found a few entry errors but comparing the two) that I decided to file with it instead.
Listening to Beethoven, mostly.
5th and 6th symphonies last night, and the choral fantasy this afternoon. Currently listening to Alfred Brendel play some piano sonatas.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Leto: didn’t somebody actually write a novel about Barack and Joe hitting the road in Joe’s Vette to solve a mystery?
answered my own question. We just need to get in touch with Andrew Shaffer about his next book about a guest appearance by HRC. And it’s not the Vette…..
Exploring Apple Classical, Apple’s new addition to Apple Music. Its catalog is both very broad and very deep, with actually useful metadata. I’m really impressed.
Just finished a new-to-me book by a new-to-me mystery writer, “The Thursday Murder Club” (Richard Osman). A lively bunch of seniors at an old age community solve cold cases as a hobby, and then get a chance to solve a current case when someone is murdered practically on their doorstep. It’s delightful. There are two more in the series, though considering the seniors who are the main characters are in their 80s I’m not sure how much longer the series can realistically go on.
(It’s possible the book was recommended on this very blog, because I don’t remember where I heard about it.)
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yeah, two novels! They were both funny. I’m thinking add HRC to the mix and just let the good times roll. If not a Vette, maybe an electric F-150 :)
Spending my Sat afternoon enjoying the relief of hydrocodone for the pain from my septoplasty on Weds. Just ordered Thai food from a phenomenal new place down the street (MiyaOnLake, Altadena) and am gonna just chill for the evening and watch tv/movies etc. Got the most recent Snowfall episode, the final episode of the Swedish crime/thriller Chestnut Man on Netflix and the final episode of 1619 Project as options. As well as another episode of Perry Mason (season 2).
@Old School: The one we have been in since Jan 6, for a start. Plus the first ever indictment of a former president and a looming sinking of the world economy by his party? The ongoing fallout from Dobbs and spiking maternal and infant mortality? I could make you a bingo card if you like!
@Pennsylvanian: Feinstein is out with shingles, I think. But yes, I think Mitch’s situation is worse than reported.
I’m into season 4 of snowfall. Excellent recommendation, thanks.
Chilling on the couch, trying to finish off a shawl for my mom and contemplating trying out the rigid heddle loom that one of my colleagues has lent me. I still don’t understand how weaving was invented first when knitting and crochet have much less complicated equipment to manipulate.
I’m gathering from this that the Bayeux Tapestry is cursed.
Watching the storm clouds peel off the Cascades and blow east after raging snow up there. Would have loved to have gone up to grab another deep powder ski day, but Covid is still kicking my ass. I made a big pot of chicken soup for obvious reasons and that’s about all the energy I’ve got for today.
@Another Scott: Thank you. He should stay home for as long as is necessary, maybe another few months for sure.
More (of the same) Tapestries for the thread!
@Kayla Rudbek: Perhaps basket-weaving came first, making cloth-weaving an easy jump?
@geg6: Cool. I’ll make sure to tune in.
So maybe the tapestry is a bit of a dick?
So I’m one of those folks that really detested HC, from my fracktivism and the reality that for most of her career she embodied the wealthy/triangulation/enable-Republican slice of the party. That’s never going away for me. That’s the disclaimer here.
And I’ve definitely come around to the “OK, she’s sort of OK” point. But I think that’s about 80/20 due to her being the 2016 designated opponent to Trumpism and the way overton windows have shifted. Obama was an inspirational figure, who’s presidency increasingly looks like a moderate failure with the HUGE asterisk that Obamacare was a kind of watershed.
But here’s the downvote-magnet bottom-line I’m taking 2 paragraphs to excuse:
the Democratic party has MUCH better people to look to, and has for a long time. In particular, a good 90% of our women candidates and representatives are better in substance (and image) than HC. And we need to look forward, or at the least stop looking back. Images of “watch/fantasize about Hillary and Barack getting revenge on Trump” are corrosive. Fixating on Trump in any way is corrosive. Both of these figures were largely naive and wrong about the particular challenges this country faced and the world faced at critical points. They are excused in that they had a huge amount of company. But they aren’t really figures to lionize right now IMO.
@Kayla Rudbek: &
Plus, just because weaving is old, doesn’t mean heddles (and associated technologies) are. See also tablet weaving, sprang, netting, backloom weaving plus I’m not sure what else for lower-tech approches to fabric(ish) materials. Nalbending too for a lower-tech knitting-ish approach.
I brought SuzMom home from the hospital and got an oxygen concentrator delivered this afternoon. I had Indian food delivered because I really don’t have neither the materials nor the mindset to make dinner. SuzMom is already being a pain in the ass about the oxygen. She is obstinate and I already had to yell at her. FFS YOU’RE NOT GOING TO GO DOWNSTAIRS AND DO LAUNDRY, SIT TF DOWN.
@Suzanne: Sounds like you have it under control.
Shingles is fun.
And I’m lying about that.
It comes on suddenly and develops in a very short time. For me and I’ve heard for most everyone, it’s very painful. There are also meds to cure it in a very short time. There is a vaccine that is supposed to kick it’s ass, and I surely hope it does, once is far, far more than enough.
@Ruckus: seeing a pic of Tony LaRussa w shingles in his eye motivated me to get the two-shot sequence last fall.
@JPL: Ehhhhh. She doesn’t want to not do what she wants, which I respect, but she’s gotta not be dumb.
She makes this big deal about being really careful on the stairs, but she fell on flat floor, when her foot got caught on the edge of her area rug. I was like, “That fucker was a real dark horse!”.
Only to those who disrespect it.
@Bupalos: Calling Obama’s presidency a “moderate failure” kinda shows how seriously we should take anything else in this comment.
No one is looking to HRC to lead the party, for God’s sake. And we are looking to a lot of younger women in the party. We do that here on Balloon Juice a lot, with our fundraising and such. But Clinton was and remains an important figure in Democratic Party history, and — as her husband and the Obamas and others noted — was without question the most qualified presidential nominee in modern history. That it was wrested away from her because of TFG and putin and their overlapping groupie mobs remains a source of frustration and rage for many of us. So yeah, we like fun memes showing Hillary having a good time, because she fucking deserves it.
As for “fixating on TFG is corrosive” — I don’t even know what the hell that means. You think he shouldn’t be indicted or prosecuted? You think we should all ignore it? He’s running for office again and still has his rabid base behind him. If he were to win, this country would go right back down the shitter, further than it did the first time. You’re God damn right I’m going to “fixate” on a threat that potent.
And calling Clinton naive is honestly too ignorant to even waste more words on than this.
Dr. Jakyll and Miss Deride
@Brit in Chicago: An FBI director breaking every rule in order to announce an investigation of only one of the two presidential candidates (knowing that the other one was also under investigation, but keeping mum about it), and then doing it again a week before the election (perfectly timed to strike a body blow to that candidate’s campaign, but not to give them the chance to reply effectively), is not “the system we have”– at least, no one ever thought it was before 2016.
The rug had it out for her!
Hope she was ok.
@Alison Rose: Yes! All of this!
Richard Osman is an interesting guy. I mainly know him as the host or panelist on a number of British comedy shows I have seen on YouTube.
@Alison Rose: thanks!
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Sounds like a great trip.
How’s your Wi Fi?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
It makes sense if you’re the kind of person who thinks Presidency is supreme and Congress a subordinate branch of government, which belief tends to co-exist with people who think Hillary Clinton–whose politics and career have been mostly focused on expanding access to health care, providing greater and earlier educational opportunities for small children and ensuring women’s rights and opportunities at home and abroad– “embodied the wealthy/triangulation/enable-Republican slice of the party.”
@Alison Rose: I definitely think (in hindsight) Obama’s presidency was a moderate failure… with that huge asterisk. How can it not be? How can we look at 2008 and 2023 and say otherwise?
The “reset” was a failure.
Yawning and waggling a finger at the invasion of Ukraine- which started in 2014 and no one even noticed thanks to the non-reaction from the U.S…. failure. Failure that is currently eating up a hundred thousand lives.
Marking time and literally laughing about the possibility of Trump winning? Failure. Not calling out the Russian interference? Failure. Splitting the difference to enable massive fossil fuel infrastructure investments that now play out for the next 50 years? Failure.
These are failures of our party and of most of us, and I include myself. But we need to be more realistic about how Trumpism and authoritarianism happens. It happens when we fail. We failed, Obama failed, Clinton failed. We need to be honest about how and correct the mistakes. The image here is a toss-off, and I understand how it connects for people.
But I’m noting how it connects for me in all the wrong ways. And just providing a little perfectly ignorable feedback.
@mrmoshpotato: She wasn’t okay…..she broke her hip and needed surgery two days ago. They let her come home today, which she is happy about….. but she’s not good at following directions!
AZTECS at the buzzer!
@HumboldtBlue: One of my nieces is there now and one a grad!
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: It also makes sense if you think foreign policy is the one area where a president has massive force. “The 1980’s called, they want their foreign policy back.” In retrospect, is this defensible?
@Suzanne: Oh. I didn’t realize this was recent.
Nice! I loved living in San Diego, brother and SIL have lived there for 35 years.
My brother and I were football season ticket holders during the Marshall Faulk years. We were at his first home game in the old Jack Murphy stadium, He ran wild against Pacific for 366 yards and six TDs. It was amazing.
Dorothy A. Winsor
No. As far as I know, the remaining stops are Peru, Ecuador, the Panama canal, and Cozumel. Things are spread far apart, so even though this is a long trip, there aren’t many stops. I’m disappointed about that actually
@Leto: I have a couple of the Biden-Obama books.
@Bupalos: Well, then, it’s just a real shame that this country, crying out for a good and true leader, has been denied the glory of President Bupalos, who knoweth all and wouldst solveth each and every world conundrum before afternoon tea the day after inauguration.
Blaming Obama for Ukrainians dying at the direction of putin is fucking repugnant, you pompous ass.
EVERY FUCKING PERSON was laughing about the possibility of Trump winning. Oh, wait, no. Every person except YOU, I’m sure, poor ignored Cassandra rending your garments against the White House fence while Obama kicked back with a grin and a snifter of brandy.
What, pray tell us plebes, would “calling out russian interference” have done? SPOILER ALERT fucking nothing.
Yes, yes, no one in the nation wanted anything to do with fossil fuels until Weak-Sauce Obama forced them all to bend the knee to their new hydrocarbon gods.
You know how else Trumpism and authoritarianism happens? When people stop “fixating” on the threat because it’s “corrosive” to do so, in favor of whining about 1) a former president who will not be president again, and 2) a former nominee who ain’t never gonna run for shit again because she’s had it with people’s bullshit.
“Ignorable feedback” is the most cogent thing you’ve said. I shall take thy advice, wise and learned sage Bupalos. And I’m gonna download a fuckton of happy Hillary memes instead. CORROSIVELY.
ETA To say that I don’t know your race or gender, but screeching about how LAME and NAIVE and FAILPARADE a Black man and a woman are is very much not the best look you could’ve chosen from the closet today.
Dr. Jakyll and Miss Deride
@Brachiator: I missed the chance to ask you this in the prior thread. You said there is no such thing as competent authoritarian government, and by and large that’s clearly true. But I wonder if Lee Kuan Yew would count as an exception.
@Bupalos: A Black man. Who was president.
That’s a HUGE Fucking Deal.
(Not mention managing a recovery from the Great Recession).
This are rather two rather large things that should be added to the scales.
@CaseyL: Richard Osman on WILTY
A very witty guy
I’ll never forget the first time I saw James Acaster on WILTY. He had me rolling on the floor laughing.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Bupalos: you seem to think Obama should have responded to the events of 2014 in 2012?
also, just as the President doesn’t give order to Congress, the POTUS doesn’t dictate the foreign policies of allies. The Europeans weren’t prepared to abandon Russian energy in 2014. Or in 2020, or 2021.
as to “not calling out Russian interference”, everybody who cared, knew, and a lot of people who knew didn’t care, and still don’t now that we know a helluva lot more.
@HumboldtBlue: Acaster and Bob Mortimer are my top two
@HumboldtBlue: Me at the San Diego zoo, 1957.
@Dr. Jakyll and Miss Deride:
Of course he trampled on human rights in a number of areas. Those affected had to wait and hope that he changed his views. Otherwise there was no hope for relief.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
You’re air-brushing. I’m pretty sure you know that. Yes, HC had in many ways a career long interest in education and healthcare. She is in no way a leader among Democrats within the timeframe we’re talking about on these issues, neither at the forefront of the party in policy or in effect. Which isn’t to say not effective, just that she’s never actually been a standard bearer in any real sense.
And on a host of economic and energy issues, she was firmly in the triangulation camp and on the center/right of the party. This shouldn’t be controversial, it’s only controversial now because she was the nominee and she lost to literal satan. That doesn’t make her a saint and it’s a disservice to a party that actually is waking up and becoming better to act this way.
Allright, Imna shut up. Folks involved with trying to address climate change back in 2005 will have a certain image of Hillary Clinton, complete with suggesting we were agents of Russia. That doesn’t wear off. Folks with family in Ukraine are going to have a certain (admittedly hindsighted) image of Obama and Secretary Clinton, and that doesn’t wear off.
Oh sweet mother of belly laughs, Bob Mortimer is a genius.
“We do beg your pardon for being in your garden. Gary Cheeseman was a very big lad, yeah, a very big head, sniper’s dream they used to call him.”
Henningg Wehn is very funny as well.
@raven: That is a genuinely sweet picture 😊❤️
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I think there’s a lot behind that “HAHA Russia!” attitude that obviously didn’t wear off 2 years later. Obama and the entire apparatus was under the spell of “the end of history.” As were most of us. Just manage capitalism and the democracy will come.
But there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that now and saying we were wrong and we failed.
Not “there’s nothing wrong with it.” It’s incredibly important to be able to do that.
Things I learned today:
New railroad ties are very heavy. All 27 of them.
Cheap Chicken Pot Pie cooked in the oven almost done, then removed, flipped in a bowl, stuffed with cheddar cheese from the bottom, covered, and nuked for a minute ROCKS.
In my next life, I am coming back as one of my dogs. JoJo is getting the best doggie yard in Eldorado, NM.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Smells like Team Bernie, just a little too young to have been Team Ralph
@Quinerly: I’ve often said I want to come back as one of MY cats.
And cheesy goodness makes everything better.😉
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
nirvana if they were from burlington instead of aberdeen
@Baud: I love her.
You’re fighting strawmen of your own construction.
The things that happened in 2005, or 2008, or 2012, or whenever, weren’t determined by one political actor and didn’t happen in the world that exists now. They happened back in the world and the political circumstances that existed at the time.
Green Lanternism doesn’t work.
That just came across my Twitter feed.
Cole posted this earlier.
@Baud: Oh wow! OUCH 🤗
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Baud: I love that she calls him tiny. You know he reads every one of her tweets
Exactly. A syndrome that only seems to inflict women and person of color leaders. According to a certain set, anyway.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I hope it makes him even angrier than Chrissy Teigen calling him a pussy ass bitch.
@CaseyL: Yes, it was recommended here by several people. On that basis I gave it as Christmas gifts to several relatives who said they enjoyed it.
@Suzanne: I would have thought someone with a broken hip would need rehab before coming home but obviously this is something I know nothing about. SuzMom must be a tough cookie.
Ever since I signed up for an AARP Medicare gap plan, I get two different AARP magazines. The one that is on newsprint is full of tips about aging. Apparently, area rugs are a big no-no because they can lead to falls.
I love area rugs, I have ‘em everywhere.
A ripe full day: after digging out from another ridiculous snowfall where the snow was so wet & heavy it was like snowblowing glue, I got to watch my boys from Villa take care of business against those bums from Chelsea 2-0, then go see the D&D movie (it’s fun!) and then have mass quantities of sushi. Have been in sushi coma for roughly 3 hours now.
Not a bad Saturday.
Thank you! I spent a bunch of time yesterday going through my History trying to find that.
Must’ve been a boatload of sushi. :)
@JML: Hoping Newcastle can pull off a similar feat against Man United tomorrow.
@Ohio Mom: I had to remove every area rug after my dad broke his hip. Was allowed to put a temporary bath rug down for when he stepped out of the shower – with the non-slip liner. Then had to remove until next shower.
I’ve caught my toe more than once on an area rug. I can see why they’re a potential hazard.
I admit that it’s hard to see the woman with a stock transaction tax in her platform as economically center/right of the party.
@CaseyL: Osman has been an integral part of two of the most entertaining BBC quiz shows of the past decade.
“Pointless”, which is kind of a polar opposite of “Family Feud”, where the objective is to find answers to the trivia question which were still correct but were given by as few of the people surveyed as possible. As such, it’s much harder but much more satisfying.
“Richard Osman’s House of Games”, which is one of the celebrity panel shows they like so much. But this one takes them through fairly difficult trivia, pop culture, and historical knowledge hurdles. It’s strangely cozy in that the categories are fairly standard and there are both team and individual challenges – and that they make it plain that there are no prizes other than potential bragging rights.
Oh, fuck right on off.
@Alison Rose: Late but thanks.