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You are here: Home / Food & Recipes / Food / Sunday Morning Open Thread: Chef José Andrés

Sunday Morning Open Thread: Chef José Andrés

by Anne Laurie|  April 2, 20236:53 am| 155 Comments

This post is in: Food, Something Good Open Thread

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"My dream is to become local everywhere, but the world is too big to do that, right?" @chefjoseandres tells us what he's learned: https://t.co/ihHrOkDW6E

— Esquire (@esquire) March 26, 2023

From Esquire, a mood-lifter for a Sunday morning:

José Andrés got his big start as a chef at Ferran Adrià’s elBulli in Spain, the original temple of molecular gastronomy. He immigrated to the U. S. from Spain in 1991. Today the José Andrés Group operates more than thirty restaurants including Jaleo, minibar, and several Bazaars, a kind of Spanish cuisine wonderland—Washington D.C. and New York get theirs this year. World Central Kitchen, the relief organization Andrés founded to help feed people in crisis, is the biggest food-aid organization in Ukraine.

Moving has been very important for me, discovering new places, realizing that the more you know, the more you know that you know nothing—especially cooking.

The rituals that go into the process of cooking and enjoying the meal are a gigantic ritual of feeling. Feeling is the most important thing we do from the moment we’re born to the moment we die. Next to breathing, it’s the thing we have to do all the time…

Luck is luck. It happens sometimes even when you don’t wish it. But everything else in life needs to be more than luck. It needs to be effort. It needs to be hard work. It needs to be repetition and error.

My favorite Spanish saying? “No le pidas peras al olmo.” Don’t ask for pears from the elm tree…

My father would invite everybody for a Sunday paella once a month or whatever and not keep track of who he invited, so it was very random who would show up. And my mother was always like, “What happens if more people show up?” And my dad would say, “Well, we add more rice to the pan.” It’s always the way. It’s always the way.

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  1. 1.

    2liberal

    April 2, 2023 at 7:02 am

    Annual “another one down the drain day”  today –  yes it’s my birthday.   Also,  Frist!!

  2. 2.

    eclare

    April 2, 2023 at 7:03 am

    What an amazing person.  I think he has a cookbook coming out soon.  I just checked, September.

  3. 3.

    eclare

    April 2, 2023 at 7:04 am

    @2liberal:   Happy Birthday! 🥳

  4. 4.

    Baud

    April 2, 2023 at 7:09 am

    @2liberal:

    🍰🎂🎁🎈

  5. 5.

    evap

    April 2, 2023 at 7:33 am

    He is one of my heros.   I have eaten in several of his restaurants in DC and they are all wonderful.  One of the great pleasures in my life is feeding my friends and family and he is an inspiration.

  6. 6.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 2, 2023 at 7:39 am

    @2liberal: Blech.

  7. 7.

    Betty Cracker

    April 2, 2023 at 7:41 am

    The composition of the image behind Andrés in the embedded tweet is so familiar. I thought maybe it was based on Salvador Dalí’s famous painting of Christopher Columbus, but I looked it up, and that’s not it. Anyway, Andrés is an angel among us humans. 

  8. 8.

    WereBear

    April 2, 2023 at 7:49 am

    @2liberal: Happy Birthday!

  9. 9.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 2, 2023 at 7:50 am

    When it comes to paella, my wife has decided to make her seafood paella for every person we know, no matter how tangentially. My tasting skills will be called upon frequently as she fine tunes each batch and I will be required to show people how to eat it. And then afterwards to properly dispose of the left overs.

    The crosses I must bear.

  10. 10.

    JPL

    April 2, 2023 at 8:06 am

    @2liberal: Happy Birthday!   Will there be cake?

  11. 11.

    zhena gogolia

    April 2, 2023 at 8:15 am

    @2liberal: Happy birthday!

    I dreamed I met Biden. I was dropping F-bombs at someone who was criticizing him at a public event, and Biden asked me if I was Irish.

  12. 12.

    Baud

    April 2, 2023 at 8:16 am

    @zhena gogolia:

    Are you Irish?

    ETA: Biden should make you press secretary.

  13. 13.

    Scuffletuffle

    April 2, 2023 at 8:21 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: are you willing to ship?

  14. 14.

    eclare

    April 2, 2023 at 8:24 am

    @Baud:   He is not afraid to drop the f-bomb himself.

  15. 15.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 2, 2023 at 8:26 am

    @Scuffletuffle: I wouldn’t want to do that to you. This is a sacrifice I must make by myself.

  16. 16.

    zhena gogolia

    April 2, 2023 at 8:32 am

    @Baud: I don’t think I am, but when a friend made me authentic Irish potato pancakes, I recognized them as the ones my mother used to make (they’re not like latkes, they’re made out of mashed potatoes, delicious). I was trying to explain all this to Biden in a note when my alarm went off.

  17. 17.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 8:33 am

    Good Morning, Everyone😊😊😊

  18. 18.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 8:34 am

    This man needs to win the Nobel Peace Prize one day….yes, as a Chef…but, he is not just a chef

  19. 19.

    Baud

    April 2, 2023 at 8:40 am

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning.

  20. 20.

    Baud

    April 2, 2023 at 8:41 am

    @zhena gogolia:

    Send him an email.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

  21. 21.

    Suzanne

    April 2, 2023 at 8:44 am

    Andres is so great. I love food.

    Finally got some sleep last night. Will have much to do today, but at least I am rested.

  22. 22.

    Betty Cracker

    April 2, 2023 at 8:44 am

    Saw a pair of Limpkins and their three adorable fluffy chicks!

    Sunday Morning Open Thread:  Chef José Andrés

    My guess is these chicks are maybe a week old. It’s rare to see them so small — we usually notice them in our swamp lagoon during their gangly adolescent phase.

  23. 23.

    Bex

    April 2, 2023 at 8:46 am

    My favorite Andres quote:  “We need longer tables, not higher walls.”

  24. 24.

    eclare

    April 2, 2023 at 8:47 am

    @Betty Cracker:   Great photo!

    And I had to enlarge, but I spotted all three chicks.

  25. 25.

    RandomMonster

    April 2, 2023 at 8:49 am

    The man is a saint.

  26. 26.

    lowtechcyclist

    April 2, 2023 at 8:52 am

    @Bex: ​
     

    My favorite Andres quote: “We need longer tables, not higher walls.”

    Some guy named Putin has some really long tables that always appear to be very underutilized. Maybe Andres should ask him if he could borrow them. ;-)

  27. 27.

    teakay

    April 2, 2023 at 8:55 am

    @zhena gogolia: My Polish American mother would make them for my Irish American father. She learned this from her thrifty mother in law. Dusted in flour and pan fried in butter, they were a delicious way to use up leftover mashed potatoes.

  28. 28.

    MattF

    April 2, 2023 at 8:55 am

    Andrés is a local guy for me. He lives in Bethesda (I’d guess in a suburban portion), and there’s a restaurant of his a block away.

  29. 29.

    Princess

    April 2, 2023 at 8:56 am

    @zhena gogolia: My grandfather, who was a Czech Jew, was very attached to a form of potato pancake that was not a latke but more like what you describe, made with mashed potato.

  30. 30.

    mali muso

    April 2, 2023 at 9:05 am

    Chef Andres is an inspiration! I was lucky enough to see him speak at an international education conference. His genuine warmth and generosity of spirit shone through even in a large public setting.

  31. 31.

    sab

    April 2, 2023 at 9:05 am

    @Betty Cracker: As a child in Florida near the coast I missed out on so many cool inland birds.

    I do remember when a clapper rail moved into our yard and neighborhood. Clack clack clack! My third favorite bird. Most favorite is hoopoe, which I think they only have in Mideast and Africa. Second favorite pileated woodpecker. Third clapper rail. But pelicans should be on my list. Probably ahead of the woodpecker.

  32. 32.

    Betty Cracker

    April 2, 2023 at 9:06 am

    @eclare: They’re so tiny! I hope they all make it. The swamp is a harsh environment, but the Limpkin population thrives!

  33. 33.

    NotMax

    April 2, 2023 at 9:10 am

    Me likey.

    Desconstructing cooking videos (20 minute watch).

  34. 34.

    NotMax

    April 2, 2023 at 9:15 am

    @2liberal

    Have a happy.

  35. 35.

    sab

    April 2, 2023 at 9:15 am

    Woke up last night in the middle of the night and the internet was out. Due to the mythical alligators in the basement after dark I didn’t go down there where the power strip was.

    We all know the first approach to any electronic problem is reboot. At dawn, when the mythical alligators were back asleep I went down and flipped the switch to reboot everything (internet and tv cable.) It worked and my spouse thinks I am a genius.

    My pitbull won’t go into the basement day or night.

  36. 36.

    Baud

    April 2, 2023 at 9:16 am

    @sab:

    The alligators are real.

  37. 37.

    Betty Cracker

    April 2, 2023 at 9:20 am

    @sab: Limpkins do resemble rails, and it’s funny you should mention the Clapper Rail because I think I spotted one last week, but I’m not 100% sure since it flew away before I could get a better look.

    I’ve read that Limpkins are thriving in Florida recently in part due to an invasive snail species that augments their apple snail and fresh water mollusk diet. This possibly also explains why we now regularly see Snail Kites; I never used to see them this far north in the state.

    I haven’t yet seen a Hoopoe but hope to someday. Here’s a bonus Pileated Woodpecker photo since they are among your favorites:

    Sunday Morning Open Thread:  Chef José Andrés 1

  38. 38.

    2liberal

    April 2, 2023 at 9:24 am

    @OzarkHillbilly Blech — LOL

    @JPL Happy Birthday! Will there be cake? — against my diet restrictions unfortunately

    @all  —  thanks for the good wishes

  39. 39.

    sab

    April 2, 2023 at 9:27 am

    @Betty Cracker: Thank you. Pileated woodpeckers are so BIG. I only see them about once a year in the spring when the leaves are tiny. Apparently they don’t migrate but they are shy.

    Hoopoes are amazing. They fan the crest on their head and it has little black and white dots.

    Albatrossity has seen many much cooler birds in Africa, but I don’t know anything about them except photos.

  40. 40.

    Cheryl from Maryland

    April 2, 2023 at 9:28 am

    @eclare: World Central Kitchen cook books.  Already pre-ordered several of them, one for me and the rest for presents.

  41. 41.

    Geminid

    April 2, 2023 at 9:33 am

    @sab: There are a lot of trees around my house and I often hear these big woodpeckers pecking for bugs. I’m listening to one now.

    Last Spring three pileated woodpeckers flew up to a tree in sight of my porch, pecked around for a minute, and then flew off to find a buggier tree.

  42. 42.

    Salty Sam

    April 2, 2023 at 9:42 am

    I have very few personal heroes, but Chef José Andrés is at the top of the list.

  43. 43.

    Another Scott

    April 2, 2023 at 9:45 am

    @NotMax: Thanks.

    The “Folding Ideas” guy is really good.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  44. 44.

    sab

    April 2, 2023 at 9:50 am

    @Baud: We have three heavily used cat litterboxes down there and no missing cats, so I think not.

  45. 45.

    Baud

    April 2, 2023 at 10:00 am

    @sab:

    The cats are probably in league with the alligators.

  46. 46.

    narya

    April 2, 2023 at 10:02 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: What I really want is for her to show me how she makes it. I would probably do game (venison, wild turkey breast, shredded wild turkey legs, rabbit . . .) but would definitely enjoy the seafood as well (I get a fish share every month).

    Chef Jose is one of my favorite people. Feeding people, especially people in crisis, is so fundamental, and he gets that. It’s also brilliant to use the cooks, the hands, the equipment, etc., that are on hand.

  47. 47.

    MagdaInBlack

    April 2, 2023 at 10:02 am

    @sab: My father taught me that coffee grounds keep alligators away, so it is possible cat litter does the same?

  48. 48.

    sab

    April 2, 2023 at 10:08 am

    @MagdaInBlack: Maybe. They think panthers? I am using cat litter to discourage woodchucks from nesting under my house. It seems to work.

  49. 49.

    BlueGuitarist

    April 2, 2023 at 10:20 am

    Have you seen the story about sheriff’s deputies driving 500 miles to kill a goat to teach a 9-year-old a lesson?


    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-03-30/goat-slaughter-shasta-county-fair

    Lesson seems to be, the cruelty is the point.

  50. 50.

    narya

    April 2, 2023 at 10:29 am

    @BlueGuitarist: I’ve seen this several times and it breaks my heart all over again, every single time I see it. I do not understand that cruelty and vindictiveness on some deep, fundamental level.

  51. 51.

    Baud

    April 2, 2023 at 10:33 am

    I hear Leslie Stahl is playing the role of Leni Riefenstahl tonight.

  52. 52.

    Jeffro

    April 2, 2023 at 10:40 am

    I’m totally stealing that Spanish saying!

    Might make it “don’t expect peaches from an apple tree”, though.

    Or, “don’t expect progress from a Republican”.

    Or both.

  53. 53.

    hueyplong

    April 2, 2023 at 10:40 am

    @Baud: Only less artfully, which I guess is a good thing.

  54. 54.

    frosty

    April 2, 2023 at 10:56 am

    @Betty Cracker: ​ Almost every eBird hotspot I go to here on the Mason-Dixon line has sightings of Pileated Woodpeckers. I’ve only seen one once, in a bush at McKee Gardens in Florida. I would have missed it except for the family excitedly looking at it.
    You’d think they’d be easy to see!​

  55. 55.

    Mike E

    April 2, 2023 at 10:59 am

    @Salty Sam: Same. Chef Jose’s go-to quick 44 sec microwave scrambled egg trick is my new favorite: combine one egg and a decent dollop of mayo in a tall glass/Pyrex mug with a little salt/pepper, beat the hell out it, microwave 30-60 secs, tumble out the souffled creation on a plate (I have it on toasted whole wheat bread), add your fave salt-free spices and/or grated cheese (he says parm but I like romano) and enjoy!

  56. 56.

    Scout211

    April 2, 2023 at 11:00 am

    @BlueGuitarist: That story was discussed here at length when it first came out last year. There is more to the story than the point of view that the article states. Many jackals were 4-Hers as children or even advisors as adults and discussed the point of view from that perspective.

    I wish I could find that thread because this article does not present the whole story.

  57. 57.

    Betty Cracker

    April 2, 2023 at 11:04 am

    @frosty: They are super shy. I see them from my house more often than anywhere else because they can’t see me. When on walks in the woods, I can usually spot them if I hear them calling or pecking and stay still, then hone in on the sound. But if they see me, off they go!

  58. 58.

    PaulB

    April 2, 2023 at 11:09 am

    @Scout211: I think this thread is the one you’re thinking of. The link was posted in reply 26 by trollhattan.

    In reply 68, commenter ian had this to say:

    That story sounds like the parents put their girl’s goat up for auction.  The bad people in this story are the parents, who did not realize their child was bonded to the kid until the auction started, and the fair people, who refused to back down after the kid decided to change her mind

    Your own take was in comment #83 on that thread:

    Kids from all over the country raise animals through 4-H programs every year. The good 4-H  leaders help the kids understand what raising an animal and showing it at the fair means. You show it and you sell it at auction. There’s often tears and sadness, but good 4-H leaders and parents have prepared their kids to say goodbye to their animals at the fair.

    Either the parents or the 4-H leaders (or both) did not adequately prepare this young girl to say goodbye to her goat because being in 4-H she should have known and been prepared. Or she should have dropped out of the program before the fair.

    I read this story earlier and it didn’t sit well with me.  There’s parts of the story that seem to be missing.

    Edited to add that my own take on this is that the politician in question was an idiot, as he damn well should have given the goat back to the girl as a gift.

  59. 59.

    BlueGuitarist

    April 2, 2023 at 11:09 am

    narya:

    @Scout211:

    thanks,

    looked for the earlier thread but didn’t find it.

    eta going to follow PaulB’s link

  60. 60.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 11:13 am

    This disability rights activist responds to someone who says that they want to immigrate to another country.

     

    Imani Barbarin, MAGC | Crutches&Spice  (@Imani_Barbarin) tweeted at 9:59 AM on Sun, Apr 02, 2023:
    By letting the pandemic run rampant, many of you will not be able to leave.

    Also, why do you think they are trying to link being trans to having autism—so they can’t leave. https://t.co/ZSiYKPfqaf
    (https://twitter.com/Imani_Barbarin/status/1642542384473939968?t=UD7yVKN2jlr0iTqQCmpwXQ&s=03)

  61. 61.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 11:14 am

    Hmmmm

    THIS… but, there’s one born every minute. I don’t fret about his rubes. Every $$ they give to Dolt45 is a $$ that can’t go to the Republican Party and their candidates.

     

    The Saturday/Sunday Show with Jonathan Capehart (@weekendcapehart) tweeted at 9:11 AM on Sun, Apr 02, 2023:
    “Has anyone actually stopped to ask why is this self-professed billionaire having to raise money 5-10 bucks at a time from the American people?” @kurtbardella tells @CapehartJ. “It’s the ultimate grift.” #SundayShow https://t.co/DgdAkVIQEc
    (https://twitter.com/weekendcapehart/status/1642530245180813313?t=GX_759Y9uZhprmZDCP99pQ&s=03)

  62. 62.

    Betty Cracker

    April 2, 2023 at 11:17 am

    @PaulB: Agreed. The parents were at fault for entering the goat in the auction to begin with, but after belatedly realizing how devastating it would be for their kid, they did offer to reimburse for the goat. That should have been the end of the story, but it sounds like heartless jerks turned the incident into a political football.

  63. 63.

    BlueGuitarist

    April 2, 2023 at 11:20 am

    @PaulB: thanks

    I’m not sure what’s missing from the story; maybe a spider named Charlotte.

    BC: “how devastating it would be for their kid” iswydt

  64. 64.

    West of the Rockies

    April 2, 2023 at 11:34 am

    Mood lifter?  Hey, I hear that 60 Minutes interview with MTG is a real hard-hitting piece.

  65. 65.

    BlueGuitarist

    April 2, 2023 at 11:40 am

    From Political Wire, Cyrus Vance tells Chuck Todd why he didn’t bring the charges Bragg did:

    “I was asked by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Southern District to stand down on our investigation…. I was somewhat surprised after Mr. Cohen pleaded guilty that the federal government did not proceed on the areas in which it asked me to stand down.”

    link
    https://politicalwire.com/2023/04/02/exchange-of-the-day-232/

    bill Barr, totally corrupt.

  66. 66.

    Baud

    April 2, 2023 at 11:43 am

    @BlueGuitarist:

    I wish he’d name names if he’s going to make that accusation.

  67. 67.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 11:45 am

    @BlueGuitarist:

    Bill Barr, totally corrupt.

     

    Still waiting for apologies from the Village supporters of Barr, who swore that he was a ‘ regular Republican’.

  68. 68.

    brendancalling

    April 2, 2023 at 11:46 am

    @Betty Cracker: I used to see those in Vermont. They look like dinosaurs.

  69. 69.

    UncleEbeneezer

    April 2, 2023 at 11:49 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: We have a friend who hails from Andelucia, Spain and she had us over one night for paella and it ROCKED MY WORLD!  Before that, I had never really loved paella.  But this shit hit so hard that I fell in love.  We don’t see her that much anymore now that she has an infant (we weren’t really that close with her anyways) but we just made a reservation for Thursday at a restaurant called Dos Besos in Pasadena whose paella is supposedly very, very legit, according to our Spaniard friends.  Thursday is the day I finally get these nasal splints removed from my surgery and supposedly it’s very common for patients to suddenly feel like their sense of smell has gotten exponentially better/more sensitive.  I’m hoping that’s the case for me because honestly my sense of smell has been terrible for at least a decade.  We regularly go to the Huntington and my wife will be like “OMG smell that freesia/lavender/roses etc” and I’m always like “I don’t smell shit.”  If my olfactory abilities suddenly get amped up on Thursday, that paella is gonna be SO GOOD (it will be either way).  Fingers crossed.

  70. 70.

    UncleEbeneezer

    April 2, 2023 at 11:51 am

    @rikyrah: They are also trying to make being Transgender a mental illness (again) so they can’t own guns to protect themselves.  Everything about this is sick.

  71. 71.

    karen marie

    April 2, 2023 at 11:53 am

    @BlueGuitarist: Cyrus Vance isn’t covering himself in glory by exposing his rather extraordinary naivete in that admission.

  72. 72.

    trollhattan

    April 2, 2023 at 11:54 am

    @Betty Cracker: ​Follow-up article on the whole shitshow. (IDK it it’s paywalled.)

    The ghoulish deployment of law enforcement is instructive of how things can be in the rural west. I noted at the time the supposed “crime” was described as a felony by the Shasta folk, when under California statute it was at most, petty theft due to the dollar amount in question. IOW it was they who did the worse criming, and yet have not been sanctioned for that to my knowledge.

    If I were the Napa sanctuary folks I would have told those Shasta hillbilly cops to fuck right off, but I don’t doubt for a second they got the full intimidation treatment during the actual goat rodeo. Bastards.

  73. 73.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 11:59 am

    This thread:

     

    That Sarcastic Jewnicorn 𝑺𝒉𝒆/𝑯𝒆𝒓 (@carly_dani_) tweeted at 11:27 PM on Sat, Apr 01, 2023:
    There are gay and lesbian TERFs. You don’t get a get out of jail card for being a member of the community.

    Hate is hate.

     

    Barbara Lee for US Senate (D-CA) (@Needle_of_Arya) tweeted at 3:18 AM on Sun, Apr 02, 2023:
    Gay & lesbian TERFs are weird to me. I’m like, “Why the hating?”

     

    *THEE* Bougier Than Thou (@ScottyBurberry) tweeted at 5:43 AM on Sun, Apr 02, 2023:
    A lot of them have internalized homophobia and white supremacy. They exalt heteronormativity. They live for the approval of heterosexual white men. I loathe them. I think they’re emotionally-crippled clowns.
    (https://twitter.com/ScottyBurberry/status/1642477800597626880?t=4UjNetacWZ2QXKDa0-vhtw&s=03)

  74. 74.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 12:01 pm

    Barbara Lee for US Senate (D-CA) (@Needle_of_Arya) tweeted at 9:56 AM on Sun, Apr 02, 2023:
    As 2023 slides into 2024, two disturbing trends will need to be addressed:

    1) the percentage of white LGBTQ (and especially white trans/nonbinary) who prefer exclusionary white left-populism to center-left coalition building

    2) the prominence of Black conservative Gen-X rappers
    (https://twitter.com/Needle_of_Arya/status/1642541410233774080?t=mCKOWa6bAZ_Gg3RtdeP-Pw&s=03)

  75. 75.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 12:08 pm

    They try to BOTHSIDES everything

     

    Rugged Amethyst #TexasBorn #CaliBred (@groove_sdc) tweeted at 10:30 AM on Sun, Apr 02, 2023:
    It’s almost like folks are begging Republicans to prosecute Democratic Presidents out of spite.

    Reason 4080 why are media is failing us.
    (https://twitter.com/groove_sdc/status/1642550102534369280?t=yUIN1OChCc8VIYZbb1IhRw&s=03)

  76. 76.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 2, 2023 at 12:08 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Marathi people also make potato and/or sweet potato (not the orange kind, the one that’s off-white) pancakes. Grate the tubers and add cumin, green chilies, crushed peanuts and rock salt. Make batter and then fry.

    They are pretty awesome.

  77. 77.

    Alison Rose

    April 2, 2023 at 12:10 pm

    I love Chef José.

    I also love when soccer announcers make me laugh out loud:

    He was three yards ahead but didn’t account for Dan Burn’s leg.

    (Dan Burn being the Jolly Green Giant of Newcastle)

  78. 78.

    lowtechcyclist

    April 2, 2023 at 12:10 pm

    @Betty Cracker: ​
    To me, the kicker was this:

    Shasta District Fair officials resorted to using police resources after noting that their handling of the dispute over Cedar had become “a negative experience for the fairgrounds as this has been all over Facebook and Instagram.”

    And they thought sending police to seize the goat as if it was a drug bust was going to in any way ameliorate the negative publicity they were getting?

    Also, the state senator who made the winning bid for the goat has to be one of the dumbest politicians I’ve ever heard of. Talk about blowing an excellent opportunity to save the day here.

  79. 79.

    trollhattan

    April 2, 2023 at 12:11 pm

    @rikyrah: The author of “The Case for More Incarceration” and the justification for invading Panama, the innovator of surveilling American citizens’ phone calls en masse, the advocate for pardoning Weinberger over Iran-Contra, the defender of the Starr investigation, etc. etc. was considered to be a moderate Republican?

    Guess I missed it. TBH it took his pack-of-lies summary of the Mueller Report for me to fully understand what a sack of barber shop sweepings he truly is. Liar for Hire ought to caption any picture of Barr.

  80. 80.

    James E Powell

    April 2, 2023 at 12:14 pm

    @Baud:

    I hear Leslie Stahl is playing the role of Leni Riefenstahl tonight.

    Who watches that show anymore?

  81. 81.

    UncleEbeneezer

    April 2, 2023 at 12:14 pm

    @rikyrah: I almost lost it when a white, gay, male friend of mine started talking shit about Black Lives Matter and Transgender activism orgs, back in 2017.  He claimed they get all the attention and support nowadays, unlike regular old gay people.  He said this in West Hollywood of all places, which is probably second only to San Fransisco on the list of Gay White Man Meccas on this planet.  Like the whole damn city literally revolves around his in-group.  Privilege is a hell of a drug.

  82. 82.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 2, 2023 at 12:19 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:  There will always be members of minority groups who will want to side with the oppressors.

    Like this cringey moron here.

  83. 83.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 12:19 pm

    What are some movies where you’ve found that people either love it or hate it?

     

    I’ll begin.

     

    The Age of Innocence.

     

    I love it. From the moment I saw it in the theater, I was in love with it and think it’s one of Martin Scorsese’s best movies.

     

    Amongst my friends, they either love it or hate it.

  84. 84.

    lowtechcyclist

    April 2, 2023 at 12:19 pm

    Going back to an earlier conversation, my favorite bird is the wood thrush.

    They may be fairly ordinary in appearance, but I love their song.

  85. 85.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 2, 2023 at 12:20 pm

    @rikyrah: I love it! Daniel Day Lewis, Winona Ryder and Michelle Pfeiffer kill it.

  86. 86.

    Baud

    April 2, 2023 at 12:23 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    We go where the oppression is.

  87. 87.

    James E Powell

    April 2, 2023 at 12:23 pm

    @BlueGuitarist:

    Bill Barr is totally corrupt, no doubt, but I don’t assign very high credibility to anything Cyrus Vance Jr says to Chuck Todd.

    And what laws required Cyrus Vance Jr to ignore crimes because the government agency controlled by the person suspected of the crimes asked him to?

  88. 88.

    Sister Golden Bear

    April 2, 2023 at 12:24 pm

    @rikyrah: Bingo. It’s also anti-trans haters trying to enlist the anti-vax crowd who think vaccines can autism.

    There’s parallel efforts to depict trans people as inherently mentally ill, so we can’t own guns. Take one guess why.

    @rikyrah: All too many cis gay men, especially older ones, are transphobic (as well as misogynist, and effeminophobic).

    As are some lesbians in the same age group — which unfortunately is the main age group of my dating pool. Much of traces back to Second Wave Feminism biological essentialism.

    Sadly there’s some younger lesbians who’ve bought into it as well. A couple years ago they bombarded the SF Dyke March with nasty hate campaign for being trans inclusive (which it been from the start), although virtually none of the TERFs involved were from SF, nor CA, nor even the U.S. It mostly seemed to be Brits, Canadians and Australians telling SF queer women that they were doing lesbian “wrong.”

  89. 89.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 2, 2023 at 12:29 pm

    @rikyrah: Most of my favorite movies are in the “love it or hate it” category. And in most cases, I can absolutely see why they hate it–they’re movies with some kind of peculiar, out-there vision that can be off-putting. Most of Stanley Kubrick’s work. Gilliam’s Brazil. Very recently, Everything Everywhere All at Once. If somebody tells me they found these films unwatchable, I can’t argue with them.

  90. 90.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 12:31 pm

    @James E Powell:

     

    And what laws required Cyrus Vance Jr to ignore crimes because the government agency controlled by the person suspected of the crimes asked him to?

     

    THIS!!

  91. 91.

    BlueGuitarist

    April 2, 2023 at 12:31 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Yep. but even that would be too little, too late. They should  apologize and make amends for not realizing HRC generously said half were deplorable, admit almost all republicans are corrupt, and do something useful about it.

    eta: agreeing with you and James E Powell.

  92. 92.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 12:33 pm

    @trollhattan:

    @rikyrah: The author of “The Case for More Incarceration” and the justification for invading Panama, the innovator of surveilling American citizens’ phone calls en masse, the advocate for pardoning Weinberger over Iran-Contra, the defender of the Starr investigation, etc. etc. was considered to be a moderate Republican?

     

    SEE….you and me….

    I knew that he was scum…

    But, a lot of the Village went to bat for Barr when he was nominated. Tried to gaslight us that all the concerns from folks like us weren’t that serious.

  93. 93.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 12:34 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Most of Stanley Kubrick’s work

     

    Kubrick, I agree.

    Because, I am in the I hate it category. The man’s work gives me headaches.

  94. 94.

    Baud

    April 2, 2023 at 12:35 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    I suspect that there are also some people who think they can fit in with the dominant group if they hate the same people that the dominant group hates.

  95. 95.

    Baud

    April 2, 2023 at 12:37 pm

    @trollhattan:

    @rikyrah:

    To be fair, I think people thought he was an institutionalist, more than a moderate per se.

  96. 96.

    zhena gogolia

    April 2, 2023 at 12:38 pm

    @rikyrah: I love The Age of Innocence too! It’s the only Scorsese movie I like, really. So beautifully done. I wish he’d made more like that.

  97. 97.

    prostratedragon

    April 2, 2023 at 12:38 pm

    @rikyrah: I agree about the exquisite The Age of Innocence, and wonder whether there are those who think Scorcese should stick to gangster pictures notwithstanding his broad range. Wharton was a master of taking apart the society of her day, and the movie illustrates it clearly.

    One I can suggest that does the same thing for its time, and that seems to divide people is Vertigo, an all-time favorite of mine.

  98. 98.

    zhena gogolia

    April 2, 2023 at 12:39 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Mmm sounds great.

    I love all kinds of potato pancakes.

  99. 99.

    James E Powell

    April 2, 2023 at 12:40 pm

    @rikyrah:

    I really liked Scorsese’s Age of Innocence. I didn’t expect to because I love the novel and usually that means I won’t like the movie. How often do we love both?

  100. 100.

    Alison Rose

    April 2, 2023 at 12:41 pm

    @rikyrah: Koyaanisqatsi. Though maybe it isn’t so much a “love it or hate it” thing, more like “love it or are utterly baffled as to why it exists” I guess. I fucking loved it.

  101. 101.

    zhena gogolia

    April 2, 2023 at 12:41 pm

    @prostratedragon: I love Vertigo too.

    Age of Innocence is like a Merchant-Ivory movie with a brain. (Don’t get me wrong, I love Merchant-Ivory.)

  102. 102.

    BlueGuitarist

    April 2, 2023 at 12:42 pm

    @James E Powell:

    @karen marie:

    @Baud:

    Nothing Vance has done so far suggests he’ll be courageous.
    I don’t watch those shows anymore, so I may be mistaken in the sense that Todd posed the question to Vance as a gotcha/r talking point to imply that Bragg shouldn’t have brought charges since Vance didn’t, and that Vance’s response refuted that.
    agree Vance shouldn’t have deferred to – ianal – what he had to know was akin to obstruction of Justice.
    Guessing the person from USAtty’s office who told Vance to stand down didn’t say orders came from main justice or Barr, so Vance might not be a fact witness, but the public record is extensive enough that he should be calling for Barr to be disbarred, at least. Not holding my breath.

  103. 103.

    BlueGuitarist

    April 2, 2023 at 12:45 pm

    @Alison Rose:

    @rikyrah:
    was just going to say I loved Koyanisqaatsi, but my friends hated it.

  104. 104.

    cain

    April 2, 2023 at 12:47 pm

    @zhena gogolia: ​
     

    @Baud: I don’t think I am, but when a friend made me authentic Irish potato pancakes, I recognized them as the ones my mother used to make (they’re not like latkes, they’re made out of mashed potatoes, delicious). I was trying to explain all this to Biden in a note when my alarm went off.

    You know, we also have something like that – my mom came up with something that’s probably like yours – although it’s plain mashed potatoes mixed with peas, cilantro, salt, chilli powder, cumin/coriander powder. You grill it and then add onions, yoghurt, tamarind chutney, fresh cilantro and then chaat masala. So good!

  105. 105.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    April 2, 2023 at 12:49 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Don’t forget David Lynch ;)

  106. 106.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 2, 2023 at 12:49 pm

    @zhena gogolia: I found a photo on a blog. This is not something you will find  in an Indian restaurant in the US

    @James E Powell:

    This is not a pancake, but has spicy potatoey goodness served fresh Portuguese style dinner roll and hot garlicky chutney. Is a beloved street food from Mumbai for when you get the munchies.

    Vada pav

  107. 107.

    James E Powell

    April 2, 2023 at 12:50 pm

    @cain:

    I need these recipes because every time I try to make some kind of pancake out of leftover mashed potatoes, I fail.

  108. 108.

    Sister Golden Bear

    April 2, 2023 at 12:51 pm

    @Baud:

    I suspect that there are also some people who think they can fit in with the dominant group if they hate the same people that the dominant group hates.

    Absolutely. See Milo. Also true with many other minority groups, e.g. Candice Owens, Anita Bryant (who a major force in tanking the Equal Rights Amendment), etc.

  109. 109.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 12:52 pm

    @prostratedragon:

    One I can suggest that does the same thing for its time, and that seems to divide people is Vertigo,

     

    Love it

  110. 110.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 2, 2023 at 12:55 pm

    @rikyrah: Me too.

  111. 111.

    Alison Rose

    April 2, 2023 at 12:56 pm

    @BlueGuitarist: I was so fascinated by it. I think it’s definitely an acquired taste, though, LOL

  112. 112.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 2, 2023 at 1:00 pm

    @Baud: She is not the first white TV Karen to normalize fascists.

    Judy Woodruff did a similar soft ball interview with Joni Ernst when she was running for the Iowa senate seat for the first time.

  113. 113.

    trollhattan

    April 2, 2023 at 1:00 pm

    @BlueGuitarist: ​Can/should it be watched sans mushrooms?
    Asking for a friend.

  114. 114.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 2, 2023 at 1:00 pm

    BTW did any BJers watch RRR after the Oscars?

  115. 115.

    scav

    April 2, 2023 at 1:00 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear: Suella Braverman deserves some sort of additional hissing in this catagory.

  116. 116.

    Narya

    April 2, 2023 at 1:01 pm

    @PaulB: I see what you mean, but the “lost three of her grandparents this year” is a pretty big mitigating factor for me.

  117. 117.

    Baud

    April 2, 2023 at 1:03 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    MTG is more of a known quantity though.  This seems much worse.

  118. 118.

    Narya

    April 2, 2023 at 1:04 pm

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon: haaaaaaate. Actually walked out on Blue Velvet, IIRC. Tried Twin Peaks and walked away. I know I’m in the minority.

  119. 119.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 2, 2023 at 1:04 pm

    @Baud: It is worse. These white TV Karens are much tougher on say a Nancy Pelosi or HRC. Same with that both-sidery Jon Stewart.

    Woodruff’s interview was after the pig-castrating comment.

    Our media betters are very comfortable with the Republican fascists. I wonder why that is.

  120. 120.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 1:06 pm

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon:

     

    @Matt McIrvin: Don’t forget David Lynch ;)

     

    I understand. I go movie by movie with Lynch.

    But, I will die on the hill that Twin Peaks, Season 1, was brilliant.

  121. 121.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 1:09 pm

    There is another long forgotten tv show. Only had one season. It was so ahead of its time. If it had aired 3-5 years later on CABLE (HBO, Showtime, Cinemax), it would have been legendary.

     

    PROFIT.

    With Adrian Pasdar.

    I know that I was among the 100 people in the country who actually watched it. But, it was mind-blowing.

     

    The Sopranos came out in 1999. Profit was 96..that’s why I think it was just too ahead of its time.

  122. 122.

    Narya

    April 2, 2023 at 1:10 pm

    @rikyrah: if we ever meet in meatspace I will ask you about this. I know many agree w you.

  123. 123.

    Timurid

    April 2, 2023 at 1:11 pm

    @PaulB:  The real problem is the cops who committed a home invasion and armed robbery and should really be facing prison time…

  124. 124.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 2, 2023 at 1:11 pm

    @rikyrah: That show was NUTS!

  125. 125.

    Anyway

    April 2, 2023 at 1:14 pm

    @Baud:

    To be fair, I think people thought he was an institutionalist, more than a moderate per se.

    Barr is a reactionary – not an institutionalist, definitely no moderate.

    There is a whole cottage industry of people writing OpEds and providing sound-bites when RW/ Federalist reactionaries are nominated for judiciary, DOJ positions. All of them supposedly Dems or liberal.

  126. 126.

    BlueGuitarist

    April 2, 2023 at 1:14 pm

    @rikyrah:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    intriguing!

  127. 127.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 2, 2023 at 1:15 pm

    I did not like 2001 Space Odyssey.

  128. 128.

    Baud

    April 2, 2023 at 1:15 pm

    @Anyway:

    Agree completely. I just don’t recall anyone describing Barr as a moderate.

  129. 129.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    April 2, 2023 at 1:17 pm

    @2liberal:

    Happy Birthday! 🎈🎂🎈

  130. 130.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 1:17 pm

    @2liberal:

     

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY :)

  131. 131.

    prostratedragon

    April 2, 2023 at 1:23 pm

    @Narya: Generally a fan, and in particular think that Twin Peaks, all of it, is the most amazing — collage? — bricolage? — engastration? — of popular culture and mores. For an easy start, one can count how many Billy Wilder movies or classic paintings are tagged, but there’s a bit of everything in it, while at the other end showmakers around the world have made reference to it.

  132. 132.

    StringOnAStick

    April 2, 2023 at 1:23 pm

    @Betty Cracker: We saw a smaller woodpecker with just a touch of red on its head as we were climbing uphill in our skis in a remote area; the tree was 8′ away and it was maybe that high up.  I stopped to look and it never seemed to care.  An hour later we were making the same trek uphill, and it was still there, didn’t care when we stopped to watch. Maybe it was really hungry and that tree was full of tasty bugs; I didn’t expect to see that in the depths of winter.

  133. 133.

    smith

    April 2, 2023 at 1:25 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear: They never learn that they might be allowed to attend the rallies, but they’ll never let them wear the robes.

  134. 134.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 2, 2023 at 1:27 pm

    @2liberal: Happy b-day!

  135. 135.

    Alison Rose

    April 2, 2023 at 1:29 pm

    TOON ARMY!!!! 3RD PLACE, BABY!!

  136. 136.

    BlueGuitarist

    April 2, 2023 at 1:29 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Mushrooms, herbs, spices, to taste; some (probably not most) will enjoy it straight, uh, plain. Possibly some of the time lapse work will seem trite/cliche/familiar now in a way it didn’t initially.

    @Alison Rose: same.

    Apparently better to know in advance that it isn’t a typical movie, and to check that listening to Philip Glass won’t be experienced as headache-inducing.

  137. 137.

    Narya

    April 2, 2023 at 1:30 pm

    @prostratedragon: I think all of that zipped right over my head. I prefer my storytelling much simpler—a good story, well-told, with at least one character whom I can like. I realize that makes me a bit of a philistine, but I’m okay with that.

  138. 138.

    James E Powell

    April 2, 2023 at 1:40 pm

    @Narya:

    I don’t think you are in the minority. I think the majority never walked in, never watched in the first place.

  139. 139.

    BlueGuitarist

    April 2, 2023 at 1:41 pm

    on Wisconsin
    If anyone’s is up for phone banking (from anywhere) to flip Wisconsin State Supreme Court, link to mobilize with Wis Dems
    https://www.mobilize.us/wisdems/event/545075/

    R candidate raised less money but knew dark money groups would spend many millions.

  140. 140.

    James E Powell

    April 2, 2023 at 1:48 pm

    @Baud:

    Throughout the Trump administration, even before he was elected, the Village would promote & applaud the hiring of persons who were somehow going to make Trump less awful & stupid.

    None of them did because none of them wanted to. Barr was one such person.

  141. 141.

    trollhattan

    April 2, 2023 at 2:03 pm

    55 years ago today, in Washington D.C. “2001: A Space Odyssey” debuted in the Uptown Theater. (I presume it was the Cinerama theater for the area.)

    You can do it, HAL.

  142. 142.

    trollhattan

    April 2, 2023 at 2:04 pm

    @BlueGuitarist: ​
    Loved me some Philip Glass and Steve Reich back in the day.

  143. 143.

    trollhattan

    April 2, 2023 at 2:13 pm

    @rikyrah: Truth! Some of television’s most memorable characters. We had watch parties–it was revolutionary and fans figured that out right quick.

    Also not popular. The top dramas then were Murder, She Wrote and Matlock. (Matlock?!?) While Twin Peaks didn’t even reach #30. It was the era of the sitcom, so there was that headwind as well.

  144. 144.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2023 at 2:14 pm

    @James E Powell:

    Throughout the Trump administration, even before he was elected, the Village would promote & applaud the hiring of persons who were somehow going to make Trump less awful & stupid.

    None of them did because none of them wanted to. Barr was one such person.

     

    Not one lie told.

    Part of the gaslighting that the MSM participated in full force during Dolt45’s Administration.

  145. 145.

    James E Powell

    April 2, 2023 at 2:35 pm

    @trollhattan:

    We had watch parties–it was revolutionary and fans figured that out right quick.

    My girlfriend at the time would bake a pie for each episode.

  146. 146.

    trollhattan

    April 2, 2023 at 2:42 pm

    @James E Powell: My girlfriend at the time would bake a pie for each episode.

    Love that!

    I’d claim to have brought a log to each gettogether but being an apartment dweller I didn’t have ready access to a woodpile.

  147. 147.

    Another Scott

    April 2, 2023 at 3:06 pm

    @StringOnAStick: Sounds like a Downy Woodpecker. They’re shy, but not as over-the-top shy as the bigger guys.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  148. 148.

    prostratedragon

    April 2, 2023 at 3:10 pm

    @Narya: You can’t start out analyzing it. Just let it work on you. I will say that it’s antinostalgic in the end.

  149. 149.

    SmallAxe

    April 2, 2023 at 3:30 pm

    He truly is the best of us. Been going to his restaurants for years, absolutely love him and what he does in the world

  150. 150.

    SmallAxe

    April 2, 2023 at 3:33 pm

    PS: he deserves the Medal of Freedom, hoping Biden is on that

  151. 151.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 2, 2023 at 3:37 pm

    @Alison Rose: A few years ago we saw a concert showing of that with Philip Glass and his little ensemble playing the score.

  152. 152.

    dnfree

    April 2, 2023 at 4:03 pm

    @teakay: My mom made the fried mashed potato patties but I don’t think we had a name for them. She was “Pennsylvania Dutch”, e.g. German background.

  153. 153.

    Ruckus

    April 2, 2023 at 4:54 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    I wish I had any sense of smell. I’ve had zero for nearly a decade. And docs can’t find any reason. I tell them it’s my brain is useless but seeing as how I can still see, speak at least semi intelligently, etc they aren’t buying it. I’ve had more than a few scans with nothing found, which I questioned as a possible explanation, I mean if you don’t see anything on an MRI…. The only question I usually ask is, “Isn’t getting old fun?” Of course it is better than the alternative.

  154. 154.

    ColoradoGuy

    April 2, 2023 at 5:27 pm

    @trollhattan: I actually saw “2001” in the Uptown Theater a couple of weeks after it opened. Yes, it was on the Cinerama screen, huge and heavily curved. You had to sit in the exact center for the horizon not to be visibly dished-shaped. It was extremely weird looking from the leftmost and rightmost seats, so I ended up seeing it several times, but loved it even more on successive viewings.

    But I was already a photographer (Pentax Spotmatic) and a space nut (even worked for NASA a couple of summers later), so it was right up my alley. And not as dark as Dr. Strangelove, which also had amazing photography. Come to think of it, all of my favorite directors … Kubrick, Fellini, and Miyazaki all have a photographers vision, where the image is the thing. You see certain scenes and go, “Oh, I’d love that as a 16 x 20 print on my wall”.

  155. 155.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 2, 2023 at 7:18 pm

    @ColoradoGuy: That’s the problem with Disney’s aerial ride-film attraction, Soarin’. You’re basically suspended in the air looking at a hemispherical Omnimax-like screen, and it’s very nice but there’s significant distortion if you’re not in the center seats. The original film, which was a flight over California, wasn’t so bad with this but the current one, with landmarks of the world, features a bunch of vertical structures like the Eiffel Tower that make it a little too obvious.

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