SPLIT-SCREEN: At 3:35pm ET, here’s contrast the White House wants. On the left, @POTUS Biden is in Minnesota touting his legislative accomplishments. On the right, @realDonaldTrump is landing in NYC to face an indictment. pic.twitter.com/2Zf62OV33B
— Ed O'Keefe (@edokeefe) April 3, 2023
.@VP is back from Africa and headed to Georgia this coming week to highlight how the Biden-Harris Administration is investing in America and building a clean energy economy. https://t.co/oJRqdtLsLe
— Ike Irby (@IkeIrby46) April 2, 2023
NASA has named the four astronauts who will fly around the moon late next year, including the first woman and the first African American assigned to a lunar mission. The first moon crew in 50 years was introduced during a ceremony in Houston. https://t.co/DsbwKfiVoS pic.twitter.com/zb4TUWK0tS
— The Associated Press (@AP) April 3, 2023
The @NASA Artemis II crewed mission around the Moon will inspire the next generation of explorers, and show every child – in America, in Canada, and across the world – that if they can dream it, they can be it. pic.twitter.com/X8q3GLTBiQ
— President Biden (@POTUS) April 3, 2023
Below the fold — this being a full-service blog — Topic A, for Arrested…
Judge orders no cameras in court during Trump arraignment pic.twitter.com/BDAMHvp6DD
— Acyn (@Acyn) April 4, 2023
i mean yeah lol https://t.co/NtijKZH3AZ
— Brian Tyler Cohen (@briantylercohen) April 4, 2023
Then why did his attorneys negotiate no perp walk or mug shots, & why did they move to have no cameras in court?
“Sources” have been saying this for weeks. It’s obvious bullshit but the press keeps swallowing it by the shovelful https://t.co/5wO7AYeADi
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) April 4, 2023
I, for one, am shocked that media outlets that got rich off of endless Trump coverage are now endlessly covering Trump. https://t.co/NBZqHmeDW7
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@TheRealHoarse) April 3, 2023
pundits: no no i totally support indicting trump, just not on these charges, these charges do not fit a man of his stature, why sir, should he be charged on these charges any common urchin could bring suit against a gentleman, do you wish us to be a mere mobocracy sir?
— James Palmer (@BeijingPalmer) April 4, 2023
The problem is that Trump is a huge criminal, and Republicans, knowing this, supported him unreservedly for seven years anyhow, so now right-wing commentators, even nominally anti-Trump ones, need to pretend to believe this stuff to protect the rest of the party. https://t.co/cZb6imchT8
— Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) April 1, 2023
This is a good read — Errol Louis, at NYMag, “Don’t Underestimate Alvin Bragg’s Chances Against Trump”:
… Bragg is expected to argue that hush-money payments to adult actress Stormy Daniels and/or ex–Playboy Playmate Karen McDougal were made by setting up a fake retainer agreement with Trump’s ex-lawyer, Michael Cohen, who paid the cash up front and later got reimbursed by Trump’s company for nonexistent legal services. Creating phony business transactions to hide the payments could constitute the misdemeanor offense of falsifying a business record, with the intention of committing or concealing a second crime of not reporting what was, in effect, a campaign contribution. (New York election law defines a contribution as “any thing of value, made in connection with the nomination for election, or election, of any candidate.”)
This is where things get sticky for Trump. Falsifying a business record in order to commit or conceal a second crime would bump the matter up from a misdemeanor to a felony, punishable by one to four years in prison. In fact, New York courts have found that the second crime need not even be proved: Mere intent to commit or conceal a crime can be sufficient to make records falsification a felony.
And don’t forget the devastating statements made by Trump’s own Department of Justice about the hush money in the sentencing memo prepared shortly before Cohen was sent to prison. “With respect to both payments, Cohen acted with the intent to influence the 2016 presidential election. Cohen coordinated his actions with one or more members of the campaign, including through meetings and phone calls, about the fact, nature, and timing of the payments,” the memo said. “In particular, and as Cohen himself has now admitted, with respect to both payments, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1.”…
So Trump is in serious legal jeopardy, not least because his adversary, Bragg, is a dogged and meticulous litigator who has proved he can build complex white-collar cases. Years ago, as an assistant U.S. Attorney under Preet Bharara, Bragg successfully prosecuted misconduct by elected officials, including former State Senator Malcolm Smith, who ended up in prison. Bragg also prosecuted a slew of white-collar criminals as the state’s chief deputy attorney general, and he prides himself on not bringing frivolous cases.
“I’ve done cases involving multimillion-dollar money laundering by business people who were financing violent criminal enterprises,” he said during a campaign debate in 2021. “The only misdemeanor case I’ve ever tried was two men blocking patients and staff going into Planned Parenthood. I’ve been very judicious with the use of prosecutorial power.”…
Trump has lost or settled so many damaging lawsuits that it’s easy to forget that he used his businesses to cheat before and during the 2016 campaign. But that is why we have a judicial system that uses courts, prosecutors, juries, judges, and meticulous rules of evidence and procedure to discover truth and hold the powerful accountable.
Trump, an expert at distortion and distraction, is betting that the public will focus on threats, theatrics, public outrage, and personal insults rather than a formal investigation of his actions.
Don’t fall for it. Bet on Bragg.
prostratedragon
Fun math thing: A 13-sided aperiodic monotile.
eclare
Thanks for the upbeat article on Bragg!
rikyrah
Good Morning Everyone 😊😊😊
rikyrah
It’s ELECTION DAY
If you are in Wisconsin…. VOTE
IF you are in Chicago….VOTE
Baud
It’s interesting that when Trump tried to put the screws to Ukraine to manufacture dirt on Biden, no pundits were concerned that it would cause Dems to follow suit.
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
Kay
I don’t care that much if Bragg wins. There was always going to be risk in going after Trump and waiting for a slam dunk is how he got away with this stuff for 50 years. Bragg could lose. It’s competitive and adversarial- losing is part of it.
Win or lose, I’m really grateful someone finally held him accountable for something and I think it’s fitting that it’s NYC because they’re responsible for turning a blind eye to his lawbreaking for 50 years. It’s a chance for NYC law enforcement to redeem themselves.
Get him processed, take his plea and apply the bail factors – he’ll get out on an OR bond which he should.
rikyrah
Thanks for the article about Bragg
MagdaInBlack
I noticed that Melania is trending on twitter, so I followed that thread a bit and learned that trump is an “old school gentleman” who wants to protect his wife and children from this ugliness. That’s why she isn’t with him.
I had a good laugh at that belief.
eclare
@MagdaInBlack: My eyes almost rolled right out of my head.
Kay
If Trump is held accountable for crimes Republicans might try to overthrow an election and engineer a dictatorial/authoritarian regime. Oh, wait. They already did that when he wasn’t indicted.
Republicans are going to get really, really mad at us but that’s not a reason to abandon the rule of law.
Dangerman
Is cake allowed for breakfast on Indictment Day? Maybe I should at least wait for my mid morning snack. Hold on. Coffee Cake is still cake, right? Says so right in the name. I think we have a winner. More the coffee thing than the cake thing (435am my time because who can sleep on Indictment Day?) Also, how soon for the photoshopped mugshots to come out?
ETA: Lock them all up.
rikyrah
@Kay:
You’re so funny, Kay
LOL
Kay
I think these people who want special legal treatment of former incumbent officeholders should have to be specific. What crimes, exactly, do they believe pols should get away with? All misdemeanors and certain felonies? My sense is they think former officeholders should only be prosecuted for violent crimes but maybe not even those. What’s the special legal standard for Donald Trump? Should we codify it? I think we have to.
waspuppet
My abusive, addicted ex-wife was the same way (albeit with better politics). There was nothing she wouldn’t destroy to avoid answering the question “What did you actually do?” On some level, the past eight years have been so familiar to me.
Barbara
@Baud: Evidently a large number of people in the pundit class have utterly forgotten the entire time period between 1992 and 2001, when it was just fine to pursue a sitting president with a criminal investigation.
Betty
@Kay: Not all pols, just Republican pols, it seems.
Matt McIrvin
@Kay:
One of these articles worried aloud that a major-party Presidential candidate might be prosecuted for manslaughter because their motorcade ran over someone and killed them. That prosecution would apparently be a bad thing.
So, not even violent crimes, I guess.
Barbara
@Kay: That’s kind of what the 11th Circuit asked and rejected when it reviewed Judge Dimwit’s decree for “special handling” of search warrants for ex-presidents.
Betty Cracker
Re: the moon fly-by mission — will Mr. Hansen be the first Canadian in deep space? I assume all the Apollo era astronauts were Americans, but as my husband and I often say when an actor, public figure or casual acquaintance we’ve assumed is an American is revealed to be Canadian instead, “they walk undetected among us.”*
*We say this affectionately because we like Canadians. If it wasn’t so damn cold, we’d probably move there and GTFO of our nutty-ass country.
Cameron
@Kay: The last thing these bozos want is specific codified standards. Note that the objections are “this is unprecedented,” “it sets a bad example,” “it’s a witch hunt,” “it’s all politically motivated,” “it’s George Soros/Santos/DeSantis/whothefuckever’s payback on Donald Trump for being America’s Very Best American,” etc., etc., blah, blah, blah. AFAIK, nobody has said that what he’s accused of isn’t criminal; nobody has said he’s innocent if what he’s accused of is in fact criminal. Like the use of the word “woke,” the intent is to keep things as vague as possible. I’d say they were seeking plausible deniability, but that might imply they know what those words mean.
Van Buren
@Baud: That’s a good point. I was thinking further back in time to all the people who lauded going after Clinton-it proves we’re a nation of laws!- who are suddenly troubled that politics and jurisprudence interesect.
MisterDancer
This. I’m gonna do my As A Black Man (Patent Pending) bit again: I’ve watched a lot of people rail at how slow all this is.
That’s the system we’ve always had. The system that sees poor people, and esp. poor Black/Brown people, sucked in at the speed and rate many seem to want from Trump.
I’m not trying to make everything about Race. I’m trying to say that my experiences have informed me that you cannot expect Justice in America.
But you can buy it, which is what Trump and others have done. And if we truly want 1/6 to not happen again, we have to have better laws about how we enforce Justice. We cannot depend on a system this broken, this mercantile, to stand up to repeated assaults, as we see today.
I know that’s not what people want to hear, but I feel in my bones this is truth.
Barbara
@Cameron: Two-word response: Bill Clinton. Four word response: Bill Clinton Ken Starr. Six word response: Bill Clinton Ken Starr Fuck you.
Jeffro
omg who could even tweet that and live with themselves?
I mean, there are lies and then there are lies.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Kay:
I disagree with OR – given what DeSantis said about refusal to cooperate, he is a flight risk. Plus, he is a walking contempt charge.
Strap an ankle monitor to his leg, confine him to whatever digs he has left in New York, impose a strict gag order on him, his lawyers, campaign officials and spokesmen, and wait for the giggly bits when he breaks it.
OzarkHillbilly
I know that song, practically by heart. The things she did to me? Well, I’m a big boy, broad shoulders and all, I can carry that burden. The things she did to my sons? Nope, I’m not gonna forget and I’m not gonna forgive even if my sons have.
People wonder why I won’t even say hello to her to her at family events but my sons know, and accept.
MazeDancer
Loved the Artemis call.
Loved hearing about Alvin Bragg’s chops. Sounds like Harvard did all right by him, as opposed to many others.
Jeffro
That Beutler tweet is spot-on. All of these people (with the exception of, I think, Pompeo?) are circling the wagons and trying to protect the GOP from the consequences of its actions.
Or should I say, the consequences of their inaction re: trumpov.
Once he starts circling down the drain, the infighting should be quite a spectacle and I hope it lasts for years.
Kay
@Cameron:
Genuinely curious though. Joe Biden travels to X city and commits a crime. His two terms are up and he’s no longer President. Gets off? Depends on the crime? Trump wasn’t even President when he did these crimes so it’s also retroactive?
The other “precedent” seems much more dangerous to me- that pols wil realize is all they have to to do is declare they’re running for office and they’re in a weird lawless zone perfect for crime sprees.
Princess
The trail and verdict in the Trump thing is important; the show in NYC today isn’t, which is why the news media will focus on it all day long (watch — when he is convicted, they’ll bury it).
The big national story today is the WI court election. And even the Chicago mayoral race.
Cameron
@Betty Cracker: Canadians do love themselves some Florida, though, don’t they? I see a lot of Canadian plates on cars in my development in snowbird season.
Kay
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
Lol. A big girthy one.
I want him to flee. I think that would be a lot of fun for us. Me, anyway.
Baud
@Kay:
I had the same thought yesterday. The bounty hunter reality show would draw in the most ratings ever.
Princess
Meanwhile, the Tennessee legislature is poised to expel three members who represent hundreds of thousands of votes and not one peep about how this destroys historic norms.
Baud
@Princess:
To be fair, suppressing black people is consistent with historic norms.
rikyrah
@Kay:
Who would actually offer him asylum?
Kay
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
So many of the wealthy/powerful criminals are old men that I think one could make some exceptions or new rules for processing of geriatric defendants. I think we set up the system assuming young men would be coming into the system but all of these criminals on the Right are ancient. Accomodations for walkers, diapers, long lists of prescription meds etc. I’m not inhumane and we should of course comply with the ADA.
Is “flee” the right term or do we need “waddle away slowly”?
OzarkHillbilly
@rikyrah: Russia.
ETA: Think of all the corrupt cesspool countries in the world and they are all possibilities.
different-church-lady
Happy arraignment day, fellow jackals. May there be many more!
cmorenc
I don’t get why Trump thought it necessary to pay hush money to Stormy Daniels, since in a 2011 interview for InTouch magazine, she had claimed she had a sexual affair with Donald Trump, so it wasn’t a secret. She did at first, in the runup to Trump’s 2016 campaign, deny the affair took place (before again changing her story to affirm the affair). Perhaps the hush money payment was to get her to deny the 2011 magazine story. In retrospect, Trump need not have sought to keep Daniel$ quiet, since his base of support has proved stunningly indifferent to tawdry tales about him.
Baud
Via reddit, I guess TN has lost Reba.
It’d be cool if the next country music awards was all in drag, but I don’t expect it.
Geminid
@OzarkHillbilly: The United Arab Emirates might take him. That’s a little too close to Iran, though. The Revolutionary Guard still wants revenge for the death of General Solemeini. His golf partners would be looking over their shoulders a lot.
different-church-lady
@Baud: The “norm” being broken today is “Hands off criming presidents.”
rikyrah
@Kay:
People seem to forget is that this crime is the first attempt at election manipulation and fraud.
RedDirtGirl
I was enjoying the Errol Louis article until he mentioned his respect for Peggington Noonington!
Still a good read.
SFAW
@Kay:
Shooting someone on Fifth Avenue in broad daylight? Well, maybe not all pols, on that one.
bbleh
@Dangerman: No no no, it’s Arraignment Day. Indictment Day was last week. Look, I know these holiday weeks can be confusing, but I’d guess your local congregation puts out a calendar every year, like a fridge magnet or something
We’ll be celebrating here with the traditional Arraignment Day drinks, very like Indictment Day drinks, except a different day.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Princess:
I note that the current lege leader made some bleat about “hearing” the protestors. I also note that prior expulsions in the modern era were for people who had committed felonies, and that the last multiple one was in 1866, bouncing a core group for disruptions designed to inhibit approval of the 13th-15th Amendments.
In other news, Texas has a few nasty bills percolating:
To have schools chaplains instead of school counselors;
To put up idolatrous posters of the King James Version of the 10 commandments in every classroom;
To allow the Secretary of State to invalidate election results in counties with a million residents or more, and to essentially supplant and supercede the role of district judges in election administration in those places.
Cue the Lee Greenwood drawling about be “Ah’m Praoud to be ‘Murkin, where at least Ah know Ah’m Fraaaaaaaaaeeeeeee!!!!!”
MisterDancer
I appreciate Mz. McEntire speaking up.
But I can’t abide the “I have opinions on critical topics BUT I ain’t telling y’all how to vote” approach. Human Rights are Political, and always have been.
To say that someone should have the right to do and be X, but also that you have no interest in asking people to support those rights…whew, that is some textbook privilege at work.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: Maybe he brought his golf cart from Florida and will flee in that! Imagine an ultra-low-speed pursuit through the streets of Manhattan until the golf cart runs out of juice, followed by the slow waddle toward freedom that would end with panting after 100 yards and a seat on the nearest park bench…
SFAW
@rikyrah:
Well, if DeathSantis has his way, the newly-declared
RethuglicRepublic of Florida.Baud
@MisterDancer:
Yeah, I know. But the reality is that’s how most people are.
Nelle
@rikyrah: That we know about.
OzarkHillbilly
You mistyped 20 feet.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Kay:
Usually, with those old guys (like the bloated orange mediocrity), they’ve crimed so long that they think they’re bulletproof.
I want him treated like a 16 year old black kid accused of stealing a backpack, with the legendarily harsh New York judges assessing ridiculous bonds and release terms.
Let him get a true taste of the system he helped create.
WereBear
@Betty Cracker: I live near the Canadian border, and the poutine is excellent.
rikyrah
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
Who don’t have to be qualified- educationally – as counselors.
Who don’t have to report rape or abuse of children
Jeffro
@Dangerman:
@bbleh: since I missed out on celebrating Indictment Day, I will be celebrating doubly this evening for Arraignment Day!
What’s the over/under on whether or not the Mango Menace says something threatening enough to get more charges added (or even be taken in)?
Baud
@rikyrah:
As they say, feature, not bug.
Brachiator
Trump himself broke more norms than the first 75 presidents combined. Yeah, I’m including future presidents as well as past presidents. And that president from the multiverse.
SFAW
@Betty Cracker:
Or a chase scene something like this one?
Baud
@Brachiator:
The only norm they care about is the norm where they get to get way with shit.
Cameron
@Kay: Fresh air and exercise will keep them youthful. A full day of picking up trash by the side of the highway should do the trick.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Betty Cracker:
The fat boy wheeze would be awesome.
In my ideal world, he’d get to suffer the effects of his mad dash untreated and ignored by jail medical services, in a holding cell for three weeks.
He wouldn’t even be afforded a change of clothes.
You know, like a regular slob.
Kay
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
Exactly. He should be thanking his lucky stars NYC doesn’t treat him like they treat unrepresented juveniles they randomly pick up in parks and frame for high profile crimes:
SFAW
@Baud:
You say that as if it’s a bad thing.
Betty Cracker
@WereBear: I’ve only been to Canada a few times, but I think it’s the country that best fits my spirit. The first time I tried poutine, it tasted like home.
eclare
@Baud: I’m waiting for Taylor to speak up. She *has* gotten more political, and she lives here. C’mon Taylor, harness your Swifties!
Her doc a few years ago was very good. It’s called Miss Americana.
AWOL
So is the Canadian one an Enforcer or a Top-6 winger?
eclare
@Geminid: KSA. He could be reunited with his orb.
narya
@rikyrah: LET’S GO BRANDON! I voted last week, and I am crossing all the fingers about this one and Wisconsin.
OzarkHillbilly
@Jeffro: I suspect his lawyers will have him gagged and muzzled.
Betty Cracker
@SFAW: Never seen the show, but that scene was kind of sweet.
SFAW
@OzarkHillbilly:
One can only hope. And hope that it’s a permanent condition. If I never hear his disgusting voice again — other than confessing to his various crimes while he’s being sentenced to 20 years — it will be too soon.
Baud
@eclare:
I’m rooting for the antihero!
Kay
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
Here’s the NYTimes in their usual role promoting whatever nutty invention police come up with, in this case – “wilding”
The fentanal Halloween candy. I wonder if it’s because none of them do old fashioned reporting anymore- where they’re in police stations and courts. No one could stay this naive about police if they spent any time at all in a court. I think that’s why they’re so incredibly gullible re: police. They never encounter police other than when police are feeding them whole paragraphs of dialogue over the telephone.
Kathleen
@Barbara: I’ve thought the same thing and used that example when I commented on the opinion piece in WaPo (the one that claimed it was wrong to prosecute former President)).
Geminid
Trump hired a third attorney to defend the Manhattan prosecution. Politico has an article on him. I forget his name, but he resigned his partnership in Cadwallader, Wickersham and Taft to take the case.
NotMax
Even if it’s an esoteric term, too good to pass up.
Today, on a very special episode of The Appentice….
OzarkHillbilly
@Geminid: How’s he gonna make bank off such a flimsy nothing of an indictment that the judge is gonna toss it today?
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Betty Cracker: It’s Greece for me – specifically Crete. They have everything I like – lamb, branzino, Assyrtiko, tsipouro, wild herbs, various greens, beautiful (and cheap) homes with sea views and within walking distance of beaches….
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Geminid:
How much do you want to bet that this is yet another dumbass who is doing it as a promise and/or the “publicity”?
The only way I’d rep Trump is for legit big retirement money that had already been paid over by wire.
Gin & Tonic
@Geminid: That’s a very lucrative gig to give up.
WereBear
Because it is.
Betty Cracker
I subscribe to three major Florida dailies — Miami Herald, Tampa Bay Times, Orlando Sentinel — and all are roasting DeSantis for getting played by Big Mouse. It makes him look like a chump!
SFAW
@Geminid:
I was hoping you’d tell us his name is Hugh Louis Dewey, of the law firm Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe. (h/t to Tom and Ray)
Betty Cracker
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: Never been to Greece, but my sister the world traveler loves it for the same reasons, minus lamb (she doesn’t eat mammals).
OzarkHillbilly
@SFAW:
(h/t to Tom and Ray) And the 3 Stooges.
catclub
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: Also surrender his passport.
Steve in the ATL
@Geminid:
Even though I’ve actually had a case with these guys, I’m still convinced it’s a fictional firm out of a Regency period novel.
SFAW
@OzarkHillbilly:
OK. I had forgotten that. [And I listened to “Car Talk” for a number of years, so …]
Steve in the ATL
@Betty Cracker: small D energy!
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
DeChumpis.
Baud
@Steve in the ATL:
Definitely a more sophisticated law firm name than Omnes, Steve, and Baud would be.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Betty Cracker:
All the beach nakedness is fun, too.
OzarkHillbilly
@SFAW: My wife, believe it or not, is a Stooges fanatic. We have every Curly episode and even a few Shep. No Joe, not ever.
eta: I miss Car Talk, alot. Listened to it every Saturday. Broke my heart when they announced Ray had Alzheimer’s.
Steve in the ATL
@Baud: maybe not if you my actual last name, which is Cadwalladerwickershamtaft.
WereBear
I find this miniseries promising and look forward to more episodes. :)
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: Given our potential client base, do we know anything about pet law?
Cameron
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: I’d be off to Slovenia in a hot second (my late mother’s family is from there), but LOML doesn’t want to leave Florida.
Baud
@Steve in the ATL:
🎶His name is my name too!🎶
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Steve in the ATL:
Those are the guys who send you a weirdly folded note informing you that the doting uncle who provided you an allowance of 8000 pounds a year has died and that you no longer have the funds to cover your extensive gambling debts.
James E Powell
@Geminid:
From Politico:
Ken
Ah, yes. The Penguin used that in the 1960s Batman TV series, “Hizzonner the Penguin“.
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
I happen to have an LLM in that field.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@James E Powell:
Wonder how well he knows Rudy’s Retirees (aka his pets from the SDNY FBI field office)…
zhena gogolia
@Steve in the ATL: I think they merged with Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe.
kalakal
@Baud:
I always liked Private Eye’s long established English legal team.
Sue, Grabbitt, and Runne.
Steve in the ATL
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: exactly!
kalakal
@Geminid: If he’s not getting paid up front he’s a fool
Suzanne
One of my colleagues is hoping for a great Nick Nolte-esque mugshot. That would be fabulous. LMAO.
”First crackhead president”.
jonas
@Betty Cracker:
“It’s not meat….it’s lamb!” — one of the funnier bits from My Big Fat Greek Wedding
OzarkHillbilly
@jonas: Great laff-a-minute movie.
Gin & Tonic
@James E Powell:
I know you law guys and gals will jump all over me — “every client is entitled to representation” — but, uhm, Manafort? May as well represent Idi Amin or Pol Pot.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: @Baud: early in my career, I handled a celebrity dog bite case, so clearly I am eminently qualified. Or possibly imminently—I only scored 220 on the verbal SAT.
Frankensteinbeck
Trump told the DoJ to prosecute Hillary, Obama, and Biden. They told him it doesn’t work that way.
@cmorenc:
Turns out, he paid her for the sex originally by getting her a part on a TV show. Except… he reneged. So, didn’t pay the prostitute, and then found out why that’s a bad idea and had to pay her actual money to keep her mouth shut.
Gin & Tonic
A warm welcome to Finland on the occasion of its NATO membership:
Matt McIrvin
The fretting about norms is of a piece with being more concerned with masks and vaccines than with COVID-19. As long as we pretend everything is OK and don’t change our behavior, everything is fine.
Gin & Tonic
@Steve in the ATL: Who bit whom?
eclare
@Baud: Hahaha…love that song!
Bupalos
@rikyrah:
THIS. Today really is a critical day for democracy. And that has nothing to do with the stupid Trump circus we all seem fine with feeding. I kinda feel like we’re sleeping on what a huge race that SC seat in Wisconsin is. Or looking in another direction.
Denali5
@Deputin,
And I thought you had principles. Oh, I forgot, you’re a lawyer. By the way, would you represent those Tennessee lawmakers who are apparently are going to be expelled because they had the audacity to stand with protesters who (gasp) wanted some form of gun control? I would contribute to your fees, but maybe you might offer to do it gratis. Wait, you don’t practice in Tennessee. Darn.
jonas
A lot of conservative pundits are trying desperately to compare the charges against Trump to Clinton’s peccadilloes and it’s just not sticking. People can tell the difference between a private affair and public corruption, which the payoffs were. They were a violation of campaign finance law as well as business and tax law. Had Trump slept with Stormy Daniels (or even several women) and then just sort of dissembled to avoid admitting the affair, most people probably would have shrugged their shoulders. But this idea that just because you’re an ex-president, you should be able to skate on serious fraud (or theft of classified documents, or fomenting insurrection, or election interference) charges is ridiculous. That’s all the Republicans have — literally arguing out loud that Trump is, and should be, above the law.
Ideally Trump will be so preoccupied with court appearances and meetings with his legal teams over the next year and a half that he won’t really have time to campaign. Not that he won’t stop
griftingfundraising, but at least he’ll probably have to skip the Nuremberg-style rallies he so loves.Bupalos
@Matt McIrvin: I honestly don’t know how the myth of “norms” is even still in play, other than a whole lot of folks nominally on our side are in denial and think “getting back to normal” is some kind of goal. It’s denial about what that “normal” was.
Geminid
@kalakal: The guy doesn’t sound like a fool. I expect he got a hefty retainer. Trump’s got the money; he’s just used to nickeling and diming people.
Trump seems to be taking things like this more seriously now. Republican political foes say his current campaign team is a level or two above his 2020 operation.
Steve in the ATL
@Gin & Tonic: celebrity’s dog bit a townie. Allegedly
ETA: one of my friends still has me listed as “Dog Bite Lawyer to the Stars” in his cell phone. Branding!
eclare
@Geminid: What an idiot!
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: I see why I am listed first. I have no relevant qualifications.
eclare
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
Y’all go do your thang…I’ll be in Croatia.
Matt McIrvin
@Geminid: I still think that indicted or no, Trump is going to be tough to beat. The media are still clearly just totally fascinated by him and desperately want him at center stage. It’s like the circus is back in town and they’ll do anything to keep it there. He’s the one guy I could see winning the Presidency from jail.
eclare
@Betty Cracker: Thanks for the update! No one wins against Disney legal.
I am not an attorney, but I have been corporate attorney adjacent in tax. You just do not take them on.
Steve in the ATL
@Matt McIrvin: seriously? That shit may play at LGM but we are more realistic here.
Cameron
@Matt McIrvin: If we had to have a President from jail, I would far rather have had Eugene Debs.
Geminid
@Gin & Tonic: Mr. Stoltenberg, the NATO chief, says he expects that Sweden will achieve NATO membership in time for the July NATO summit. He did not say if this was contingent on Turkish President Erdogan being replaced in next month’s election. But many observers predict that after the election, Erdogan will agree to admit Sweden anyway.
OzarkHillbilly
So it’s reached Kindergarten level? (with apologies to all Kindergartners)
eclare
@OzarkHillbilly: I used to love that show. I remember a guy called whose car would not go in reverse. “Well with some careful planning, you don’t need reverse.” In those Bahstahn accents.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: all we ask is that you wear pants at least a couple of days a week.
OzarkHillbilly
@eclare: I played the same game when the starters on my Datsun p/u kept burning out and I was too poor to keep replacing them.
OzarkHillbilly
@Steve in the ATL: Boy, you guys are tuff on your employees.
Gin & Tonic
@eclare: Uh, excuuuse me. Tom and Ray were from Cambridge, not Boston.
Princess
Just voted in my precinct in Chicago. It seemed very very quiet, which is not great news for Brandon Johnson. But the ballot was very short, only two races, so maybe people moved quickly in and out. Fingers crossed. What are other people seeing? Anyone in Wisconsin?
eclare
@Gin & Tonic: My apologies to their fair city!
lowtechcyclist
@Barbara:
This, in spades.
Fixed that for ya, Eli Lake.
BC in Illinois
@rikyrah:
And even in deepest Misery, there are a lot of local school board races being run. The local “Moms for Liberty” [sic] have published a list of their preferred candidates, so we know who to vote against.
Mrs BC and I already voted a week or two ago.
Spanky
This seems a bit … unusual. Will be interesting to see what gets uncovered.
WaPo:
JPL
@OzarkHillbilly: There was a person who called in once, because they had put butter on the dash and forgot about it. Needless to say, it was a very, very bad thing.
When we lived in Dallas, I forgot eggs in the car once. They didn’t melt and leak all over though.
WereBear
@Betty Cracker: We do summer like nobody’s business, too. Shame ya’ll are so far away!
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
@Baud: Yeah is it too much to ask that the press discuss that the “norm” of not indicting an ex POTUS is attributable to the fact that no ex-POTUS except Nixon has broken the law? The norm being broken is not that Trump is being prosecuted but that he’s the only POTUS who committed crimes before, during, and after being POTUS. That’s the part that’s unprecedented. That’s the norm that was broken. That’s what the press should be focused on.
I mean the threat that if you indict ours we’ll indict yours is only a threat if POTUSes of both parties are criming. Trying to indict someone who is innocent results in…no indictment. It’s an empty threat. Someone should, like, point that out.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@eclare:
I just had a brain fart – DeSantis’ analysis of his position vis-a-vis Disney isn’t all that much different than what Blago thought about the Obama Senate seat.
“This is a valuable thing you have here – you need to give up your position on woke things, bring back ‘Song of the South” and support me, or I’ll stifle your ability to do things.”
Seems to me that Georgia has a lot of empty ground in its temperate Southern parts, is purple and is now very used to catering to the needs of entertainment conglomerates.
Spanky
@Gin & Tonic:
This might become the second time Nick Nolte is mentioned in this thread.
Kathleen
@SFAW: I prefer your initial thought. DeSatan does indeed preside over the Rethuglic of Florida. In fact that moniker applies to all Red states. I like it.
SFAW
@OzarkHillbilly:
Do you mean Tom? Or has Ray also been diagnosed with it?
WereBear
@OzarkHillbilly: It’s Shemp. Because, I am also a Curly Fan.
eclare
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
Very true.
Elizabelle
@Spanky: I was wondering how that was gonna play out. Since there were no updates on his condition in the hours after the shooting.
Very strange.
Bupalos
@Matt McIrvin:
I think when we point at the media we probably need to understand that three fingers are pointing back at us. One of the ways Trump works is by making himself into an avatar of the right for the right. The other way Trump works is by making himself and avatar of the right for the left. His bet is that enough of us are lying about our preference for policy substance over entertainment or morality plays that the Trump show will never be cancelled.
Princess
@Spanky: Now we know why Hogan isn’t running for president this go-round.
SFAW
@Steve in the ATL:
Which, if I remember correctly, you shortened from “Cadwalladerwickershamtaft bergsteinowitz” (because anti-Semitism — even toward lawyers — is still a thing).
MomSense
Merry Arrestmas to one and all!
Matt McIrvin
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: Florida is a gigantic sunk cost for Disney–their property has more land area than several sovereign nations; they’re not in great financial shape at the moment and when it comes to theme parks specifically, Universal is breathing down their necks. So, no, they’re not going to pick up and leave Florida until it’s physically destroyed by the rising sea. But they do take the long-term view and if DeSantis causes them trouble, I’m sure they figure they can wait him out.
Dangerman
@Betty Cracker: Oh Mickey, he’s so fine, he’s so fine, hey Mickey (waves)
stacib
@Gin & Tonic: They were talking about this guy on MJ this morning, and to a person agree he’s the “real deal”, not like those other posers trump** had representing him. This guy got Manafort off for his charges, so I’m sure trump** is expecting exactly the same result.
OzarkHillbilly
@JPL: The episode I remember with great fondness was when an ornithologist stationed on the Farallon Islands called in to ask for help (iirc) with getting a water pump running again so he could take showers. Either Tom or Ray suggested he just go swimming, which caused me to spit my coffee all over my dashboard. I had just finished a book on the Farralons and one of their natural wonders is the once a year massing of great white sharks there. They had a lot of fun with the guy but that is the moment that stuck in my head.
SFAW
@OzarkHillbilly:
Which raises the question: how have you treated episodes with Curly Joe DeRita?
Dangerman
@stacib: There need yo be some ground rules. For example, no discussion of who or what got Trump off.
OzarkHillbilly
@SFAW: Aaaach, I couldn’t remember for certain so just thru a dart at the forgotten memories board and it landed on Ray. Thanx for the correction.
@WereBear: Another dart that missed it’s mark. I thought it might be Shemp but it has been a while since we’ve watched one of his episodes.
SFAW
@stacib:
Since I’m an old fart, perhaps my memory is failing, but wasn’t Manafort convicted? At least on some of the counts?
smith
@SFAW: He was, sentenced to 47 months in prison, but now walking free due to a pardon from TFG.
JPL
@OzarkHillbilly: I still miss that show.
SFAW
@OzarkHillbilly:
The loss of Tom was tough. The local NPR station broadcast “The Best of Car Talk” (or something like that) — replays of old shows — for a number of years after Tom’s death, but they ended that two or three years ago.
OzarkHillbilly
@stacib: Manafort went to prison. The only reason he got out is because trump pardoned/clemencied (fancy word I just made up) him.
SFAW
@smith:
Yes, I know he was pardoned. The statement to which I was responding was that the lawyer got Manafort off.
mrmoshpotato
@rikyrah:
early (done), and vote often (still batting 1.000 without committing a felony).
Dorothy A. Winsor
On the negative side, we both have covid and are confined to our cabin.
On the plus side, that gives us time to watch Trump be arrested. Though I agree that 24/7 coverage for days on end seems excessive.
The maddening thing is I was randomly tested for covid when we landed in Santiago, and was negative. So I got this on the ship
OzarkHillbilly
@SFAW: They should make a package of old Car Talk episodes and sell them. I know I’d happily plunk down $30 or so.
ARoomWithAMoose
@eclare: @Betty Cracker: I get the sense that lil’Ron’s team doesn’t realize that with Disney all the threats they’ve issued surrounding overturning a long running very stable state-private venture (Reedy Creek Improvement District) in order to be in a better position to “punish” Disney, the legal challenges pretty much write themselves, Disney’s legal team is just waiting for legislative/executive action so they have standing to sue.
Iger specifically had a statement recently where he talked about “corporate freedom of speech” in regards to the legislative “punishment” in dissolving/replacing the improvement district, that kicks things into federal courts. 1st amendment claims push things into federal courts.
Elizabelle
I would love if they could catch Manafort and Trump, on some thing new to Manafort. Back to prison for you, jailbird. Recall that Manafort was sprung to house arrest as soon as Covid raised its head, whereas no mercy was shown Michael Cohen, so: revenge is a dish best served cold.
eclare
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Oh no! And I remember you tried to get boosters! Are you feeling ok?
Kathleen
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Bummer! I hope you and Mr. DAW recover quickly!
eclare
@OzarkHillbilly: Same here.
mrmoshpotato
@Kay:
They can all suck my left nut and throw themselves into the Sun.
mrmoshpotato
@Dorothy A. Winsor: I hope you both recover quickly.
rikyrah
@Spanky:
I heard when he went on the run. Honestly, I thought that they had captured him and just did the lowkey processing of another Whyte dude. Had no idea that they killed him. I mean…Whyte mass murderers are taken into custody all the time…
rikyrah
@Matt McIrvin:
Which is why they set it up that his hand-picked stooges can’t do anything for the next 30-40 years.
WereBear
@Dorothy A. Winsor: I guess you get free room service? That’s just awful 😞
rikyrah
@stacib:
The thing is……the charges from now on are going to be CRIMINAL FELONIES.
And, there will be no negotiations, IMO.
However many he’s charged with, Bragg only has to win on one.
Dolt45 has to run the gauntlet.
Win them all against Bragg.
Win them all against the Georgia DA
Win them all against the Special Counsel.
My money is on the prosecutors winning some at every level.
Quinerly
I’m laughing.
Reporters are breathlessly reporting that George Santos has arrived at the courthouse. He said he was there to support the president….then scurried down the street.
eclare
@Quinerly: Such a weird person.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@eclare: It’s not too bad. We both thought we had colds. We only realized it was covid when Mr DAW went to see the doctor in case he had bronchitis or something. The I gave myself one of the home tests we brought with us and it was emphatically positive. Took about 10 seconds for that second line to show up
The nurse will come around every day and check on us.
rikyrah
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
So sorry, DAW.
Please feel better and heal.
Geminid
@SFAW: The feds convicted Manafort, and that is what his pardon was for. Manafort was also charged by the Manhattan County DA’s office for financial crimes. This Blanche guy got him off with a double jeopardy defense. According to the Politico article on Blanche, his representation of Manafort impressed Trump.
Frankensteinbeck
@stacib:
Then he’ll be sidelined, because Trump won’t listen to competent council. Competent council will tell him not to act out like a toddler who didn’t get a cookie. I mean, it’s a better job at least than the documents case, which Trump really screwed the pooch on because he keeps insisting that the documents are his property.
eclare
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Does your cabin at least have a balcony or window?
Jackie
@Betty Cracker: Did you see this?
“Months since it took effect, Gov. Ron DeSantis’ signature law to censor books in Florida schools has found an unintended target: his own book,” the Daily Beast reports.
“In a clever bit of trolling, Florida Democrats are subjecting DeSantis’ new tome—The Courage To Be Free: Florida’s Blueprint for America’s Revival—to the rules that he and GOP lawmakers established to weed out books with allegedly inappropriate content on race, sexuality, and gender from school libraries.”
From the Political Wire.
Manyakitty
@Dorothy A. Winsor: enraging. Hope you test negative soon and feel better even sooner!
Geminid
@Frankensteinbeck: The two other attorneys are not “poseurs,” but rather are experienced New York criminal attorneys. An earlier Politico article on the two said they were looking for a third attorney to round out the team, and evidently they persuaded Blanche to join. So it’s likely this team will work together, with nobody sidelined.
JPL
@Dorothy A. Winsor: That really sucks, and I hope you have a mild case.
Get Well!
danielx
@Princess:
???
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@rikyrah:
Make that for about 80-120 years. Lilibet is two years old.
Ksmiami
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: maybe like he requested for regular people, the arresting officers can rough him up a bit..
NotMax
@rikyrah
Pet peeve pedant alert.
Gantlet.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Frankensteinbeck:
One of Trump’s many flaws is his expectation that his lawyers are there to find reasons and excuses for him to do what he wants. They’re not guiderails – instead, they are facilitators, which is why he’s so dangerous to anyone who takes him on as a client.
lowtechcyclist
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?:
Indeed! I’ve been pointing it out in online chats elsewhere, reminding them that they already tried their damnedest to pin something on Clinton and failed (unless a BJ counts), and good luck pinning something on Obama because as first Black POTUS, he knew he had to be cleaner than a hound’s tooth.
And other than yelling “Hunter Biden’s laptop, Hunter Biden’s laptop!” over and over again (OK, what’s on it? Their point is…???), they’ve got nothing on Biden either.
The vast majority of people never come anywhere remotely near committing a felony, and that’s as true for Presidents as it is for the rest of us.
NotMax
@Dorothy A. Winsor
Ain’t that a kick in the pants. Do take care.
By any chance purchased travel insurance?
Dorothy A. Winsor
@eclare:
We have a floor to ceiling window that opens from the top. This ship just came from Antarctica, so it was designed with no balconies. Viking calls these areas “Nordic balconies.” Our cabin is very nice. And we do get free room service.
On another topic, Mr DAW and I were both big Car Talk fans. I remember stumbling on the show when we first moved to Iowa and laughing my head off.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@NotMax:
We did buy travel insurance, but I don’t know if it covers this. We’re still on the trip. We just can’t leave the cabin!
SFAW
@Geminid: Thanks for the clarification/explanation.For the record, I’d be OK with the guy getting TFG off on a “double jeopardy” defense, as long as he got convicted on a bunch of stuff beforehand. Such as: sedition, terrorism, espionage.
evodevo
@Betty Cracker: Oh, you HAVE to watch Justified…based on an Elmore Leonard novel Fire in the Hole. I thought I wouldn’t like it, but I am a big fan…
SFAW
@Betty Cracker:
I only watched the first two-plus seasons (out of five, I think), but it was a pretty good show. I’ll probably resume watching it at some point.
Formerly disgruntled in Oregon
Late to the party, but can we get a guest appearance from Baby Yoda at some point? That would be sweet.
Elizabelle
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Yikes! The floating petri dish aspect strikes. Hope you both recover quickly and are free to roam again soonest.
Any idea how many other passengers have taken ill?
eclare
@Dorothy A. Winsor: So glad you can at least look outside and see the sun. I hope they take good care of you and that you recover quickly. And like you said, there is plenty of drama to keep you busy.
Oh yeah, Click and Clack cracked me up every Saturday.
Old School
@OzarkHillbilly:
They have done a number of compilations over the years. You can find them on Amazon or Audible.
There also are a number of shows in their archives.
worn
@OzarkHillbilly: Oh my goodness, I had a Honda Prelude back in college that started regularly eating alternators. Luckily I found an auto parts store up the road that was selling one with some sort of accompanying crazy warrantee. I had no money – and certainly not a lot of time for mechanical troubleshooting activities while finishing up architecture school – so I wound up replacing the damn thing every week or two (right in the store parking lot, natch). The guys in that store were not happy to see me arrive over and over, yet another dead part in hand. I must’ve availed myself of this guarantee ten or fifteen times before the sememster was over.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@evodevo:
Season Two might be my favorite of any show I have ever watched.
Geminid
@evodevo: Have you seen the movie The Tall T? It’s based on an Elmore Leonard story. Randolph Scott plays the protagonist, while Richard Boone plays the very bad villain
I liked it a lot, but I am a Randolph Scott fan. I especially like his response to critics of his acting ability: “I can’t act and I have 34 movies to prove it!”
Hangö Kex
@Gin & Tonic:
Indeed, earlier today (around 15:54 EET (= UTC+2)) Finland become a full member of NATO as foreign minister Haavisto handed over the final piece of paperwork to his US counterpart in Brussels. Right after that, Finland’s first official act as a member was handing over our ratification document for Sweden’s membership.
Omnes Omnibus
@Hangö Kex:
What took them so long?
Ken
@rikyrah: I thought it was more like the next 70-80 years, assuming King Charles’ grandkids have a typical life expectancy
EDIT: I see Deputinize got there first.
Manyakitty
@Hangö Kex: Excellent.
Nora
@Dorothy A. Winsor: You have my sympathies. The same thing happened to me on a Viking cruise on the Rhine last year. Only I didn’t get to stay on the ship — they put me in a car and stuck me in a hotel for 10 days (the first 7 of which I wasn’t allowed out of the room). It was not fun.
kalakal
@Ken: add then add 21 years after the last one dies. So if lillibet lives as long as her grandma & great grandma you’re looking at 120 years
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: they had to change prime ministers first
kalakal
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Oh how rotten for you. Hope it’s mild and you get well soon
delphinium
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Hope you and your husband are doing okay and recover soon so you can enjoy the rest of the cruise.
Steve in the ATL
@Dorothy A. Winsor: maybe you’ll be inspired to write a Rear Window -type book!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: Mags. Fucking. Bennett.
evodevo
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yes. The first time I saw Margo Martindale – have been a fan ever since…I will watch anything she’s in…
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Most frighteningly normal villain I’ve ever seen portrayed. She made you believe that the reason why she did her crimes was just and good.
Ixnay
@OzarkHillbilly: That was Tommy. I believe Ray is still kicking. Used the good news garage when it was still a place to rent space and borrow tools. A high point of my motoring career was being taken on a test drive by Ray in an empty lot in East Cambridge, checking the front end, and being plastered against glass in our Renault r5. Ray is like, Nah by now you’d be hearing clunking if it was CVs…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@evodevo: have you seen her segment from Paris, je t’aime? quietly heartbreaking
evodevo
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: No I haven’t…I missed that one. People say her performance was outstanding, but I am not surprised…she’s an underrated actress in my estimation…
rikyrah
@Hangö Kex:
CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
rikyrah
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
I have never been on a cruise.
Do you have access to tv? Movies? General Internet?
Hate to be indelicate, but, how do they do change the sheets? Do you have to do it yourselves?
Geminid
@rikyrah: I never thought I’d want to go on a cruise until I heard a travel agent on a local Shenendoah Valley radio station promoting a cruise to Bermuda. The ship would start out from the Port of Norfolk, and that’s just a 3 hour drive for me. The cruise would last 6 days, with 3 spent docked at Bermuda. The agent talked up all the golfing opportunities there, but I would just wander around the island.
I would need to buy some new clothes, but I need some anyway.
Captain C
@Kay:
It’ll be OJ’s White Bronco 2.0, with a coked-up Junior at the wheel, and Secret Service SUVs interspersed with the cops.
Hangö Kex
@Omnes Omnibus: Turkey delayed ratification until now: they handed the ratification document to Blinken at the NATO foreign minister summit earlier today. I suppose it was an attempt to wring out something for them (such some F-16s from the US) and an opportunity to grandstand to the home audience before an upcoming election. They are still holding Sweden’s membership hostage though. :(
Manyakitty
@Geminid: go! I took a cruise to Bermuda once and it was beautiful. Life is too short.
Hangö Kex
@Steve in the ATL: The recent election didn’t really get in the way: PM Marin’s cabinet took care of passing the necessary bills before while the parliament was still in session (which wasn’t too difficult, the application bill passed with 188-8 votes (out of 200 in the unicameral parliament), the final authorization bill with 188-7 (incidentally, most of those few who voted against didn’t make it to the new parliament in the recent election (02APR))). Which was a good idea as getting a new cabinet together will probably take a while (weeks, at least); until them Marin is still the PM, but of a caretaker cabinet which can’t do much.
Hangö Kex
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Sorry to hear about your predicament. :(
Ruckus
@Kay:
You of course know that they want their guys to be able to do all the criming they want and everyone else to be shot at sunrise for not putting milk in their coffee and whitening it up.
Ruckus
@MisterDancer:
I know that’s not what people want to hear, but I feel in my bones this is truth.
I’m going to do my As An Old White Man bit and say that I agree with you 100%.
Yes this is a democratic country but many if not most laws do have an element of “Is this person rich?” in at least the background. Here we have a man, who tried to have the government that he was the head of overthrown for his personal, illegal power, and he’s getting special treatment and showing up in a parade for his first court date for over 30 felonies. If this was you, or me, we’d already be in handcuffs and orange jumpsuits. This country believes in the rich. We know they can do plenty of wrong, but they have MONEY. And we give deference to MONEY, and especially to white money.
Ruckus
@Betty Cracker:
Do humans live there? (And yes there can be anywhere) Not all humans are nutty-ass but enough are and they live everywhere that normal humans do. Some places in a larger or smaller proportion but still, nutty-ass humans are everywhere. Having been to FL a number of times, knowing people that live there, I’d say that the nutty-ass percentage is a bit higher than average but every place that has more than 2 humans per square mile has the real possibility of having nutty-ass humans there. I call it the law of humanity. It’s only where nutty-ass out numbers non nutty-ass that it is at all weird.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@rikyrah:
We have TV though the selection is limited. We’re watching msnbc. There are movies and TV series on tap but we haven’t seen on we’re interested in. We also get the National Geographic channel which I think we’ll try.
They knock on our door twice a day to see if we need anything. This morning we asked for new towels, kleenex, and emptied wastebaskets. They’d probably change the sheets if we asked.
When they come in here, we have to wear masks and sit on a couch over by the floor to ceiling window.
The biggest pain is that we’re sharing Mr DAW’s laptop