This has major implications for the nature of the universe and the fate of all mankind, past and present, as God was well-known to be a staunch conservative with a questionable commitment to democratic principles.
— ettingermentum (@ettingermentum) April 5, 2023
The NYTimes‘ Peter Baker has a more sophisticated version of the same plaint; Josh Marshall claps back:
It’s actually not a win to get all the attention when you’re getting arrested and arraigned on multiple felony indictments. I don’t pretend this is a great insight. But a lot of people don’t seem to understand it. pic.twitter.com/8VCw5yirUB
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) April 5, 2023
When your 2024 plan for victory does not involve getting the most votes pic.twitter.com/iPuEucDqpL
— Don Moynihan (@donmoyn) April 5, 2023
(Some) voters are (negatively) responsive to anti-democratic policies — who could’ve imagined?!?
do you have a bomb collar that will go off if you ever say “dobbs” https://t.co/3pKKra3aTC
— ettingermentum (@ettingermentum) April 5, 2023
sab
I am hearing from nieces that rarely contact me, anxious about abortion rights and what the whack jobs in our state legislature are trying to do to our right to amend our state constitution. These are basically apolitical normies who are now freakibg out. Ohio Republicans have lost their minds and some of the voters have started to notice.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
Something a little fishy when the people who determine what topics get the most coverage in the media talk about how it’s bad that the President isn’t the one who gets the most coverage in the media.
On the other hand, maybe Biden’s just taking the old advice of Napoleon Bonaparte about not interrupting the enemy when he’s making a mistake.
Ryan
I don’t get Nate Silver’s take. Is he the next Matt Taibbi? Also too, just look at that blue checkmark.
eclare
@sab:
I hate this for them, a right we have had for 49 years taken away. But people had to vote in 2016.
eclare
@Bruce K in ATH-GR:
I really don’t want Joe taking Napoleon’s advice.
Amir Khalid
Was this ever true? Is it still true, after his administration has got so much done for the people and implemented so many popular policies? If so, why is it true?
Anyway
What a shallow, simplistic, ridiculous, pointless take by Peter Baker — on the front page of the nation’s most prestigious newspaper. Biden was doing his job – with responsibility and integrity ,you oaf!
opiejeanne
@Amir Khalid: I don’t know, but I don’t think Biden is unpopular, except in carefully chosen areas of the midwest, you know, Appleby’s with salad bars.
sab
@opiejeanne: Midwesterner here. He is still unpopular in Ohio diners, but very popular in Ohio cities
ETA I was listening to NPR today, interviewing an older gentleman from East Palestine Ohio about the toxic spill. He said that on Friday night they thought it was just a usual train derailment and fire until Sunday when they got word that toxic substances were burning.
The thought did cross my mind that where else would a train derailment and fire be usual. Republican sheeple, please wake up.
Tony Jay
@opiejeanne:
I’m pretty sure that the dominant calderas of anti-Biden feeling are situated in very specific areas of New York and Washington DC.
Frankensteinbeck
@Amir Khalid: and @opiejeanne:
Biden’s polls are still underwater. I’m not worried about it. That happens when the normies’ only knowledge of him is news stories asking if he’s a failure. When the election starts and the news feels obligated to front page Biden himself speaking I expect the squishes to all go “Oh, yeah! Fun Uncle Biden! I love that guy!”
Tony Jay
I really don’t get that Nate Silver quote, politically or grammatically. Is he trying to say that a small but significant sliver of the national vote is being convinced to come out or switch parties in opposition to ‘anti-democratic’ policies?
If so, damned funny use of the word ‘responsive’ as a negative.
SpaceUnit
The idea that Biden is unpopular is being brought to us by the same tools that insisted that we’d get a red wave in 2022. The same people who stood on their soapboxes and announced that nobody cared about the Dobbs decision and that the election was to be about inflation. Their polls were wrong.
Our corporate media have nothing left these days but their disingenuous ouija board bullshit. Ignore.
Quiltingfool
@sab: I have nieces who are worried about abortion (Missouri). These are women who would not have an abortion if they were pregnant, they are all about babies. They do not pay the slightest bit of attention to politics and I doubt they vote. Republicans have now painted a target on their backs and they know it. They are afraid that if they need pregnancy healthcare they won’t get it, and death is a real possibility.
By framing abortion as a means for slutty women to avoid responsibility, Republicans conveniently forgot that there are women who do not choose abortion if they get pregnant, and these women will most certainly choose their own life over that of a fetus.
I am giving Republicans leeway by using the phrase “conveniently forgot” as I believe they don’t give a shit if women die. And now, Republicans can’t hide – the stench of their draconian abortion laws will cling to them and it will become very obvious they don’t give a shit about women to the most apolitical folks around.
I know we don’t see msm pay much attention to abortion (Kay is spot-on in her appraisal of media’s failures in that regard) but young women in my area don’t read NYT or Wapo or watch “old people” broadcast news. They do social media, like TicToc. And social media is lit in regards to abortion rights.
I think abortion/reproductive healthcare rights will be the thing that causes the Republican Party to go down in flames – and I’m not sure Republicans truly understand the colossal fuckup they started.
OT I am so grateful for the late night BJ post. Since my knee surgery, I can only sleep about 4 hours; I now have good stuff to read while I’m waiting for the pain meds to kick in and I can go back to sleep!
Chetan Murthy
@Quiltingfool: I was worried before the Nov election, that what you describe would not occur. I was worried that hate (of LGBTQ folks, but esp. trans folks) would override self-preservation. Boy howdy am I glad to have been wrong.
eclare
@Quiltingfool:
What a well thought out and righteous post. I hope you are right, I hate what we have to go through to get to the finish, as I know you do.
Good luck with the knee!
Baud
Betty Cracker, if your around, do you know what’s up with this?
reddit.com/gallery/12d5ex3
Quiltingfool
@eclare: I hate that women will die, children will lose their mothers, husbands will lose wives. GOP may lose power because of their abortion stance, but the cost is too high. And those GOP fuckers will never pay the price – not really.
brantl
I am startled by the number of shitbirds who can’t get how important this is to women, and the people who love them. They’re just astounded that people are actually starting to vote about what matters to them. Whocouldanode that Democrats have been the leash that keeps the Face-Eating-Leopard-Party from eating their faces?
JR
The political press hasn’t come around to the fact that 40-45 percent support is pretty much normal and has been for a generation. The days of meaningful variation in that metric have been gone for a while.
Baud
I can’t believe Andrea Mitchell is still working.
Shalimar
@Baud: The only details we know so far are what she has said on Twitter, which hasn’t been coherent. She says her 13-year-old son has been charged with a felony for sharing a meme, that her home has been deemed an unsafe environment by Florida DCF, and that DeSantis has ordered the kid taken from her. No details as to which government body took him, where he is, what he did, or what the charges are. She and her family live in Pensacola now afaik.
No one doubts that DeSantis is a vindictive peice of shit who would have ordered it all. It’s just a question of what “it” is.
Baud
@Shalimar:
Thanks.
Shalimar
@Baud: You’re welcome. For context, Jones filed a lawsuit 3 weeks ago to get her job back with backpay. So there is reason DeSantis would have revenge against her on his mind lately.
Baud
@Shalimar:
He is going after Disney. Going after an individual is no big deal for him.
ETA: The GOP really loves separating children from their parents.
Soprano2
The press seems to really believe they have no agency, they are forced to cover the news the way they do. It’s nonsensical.
New Deal democrat
@Ryan: OK, I think you are misunderstanding him here. I just read his latest batch of comments.
He is saying that mandating, enabling, or enacting policies that are wildly unpopular (Dobbs and all its sequelae, nutso pro-gun laws, e.g.) and have horrible effects on lots of peoples’ lives (e.g., active shooter drills, stockpiling birth control pills), actually turns out to motivate lots of those affected people to vote out the bastards.
in other words, in context he is using “anti-democratic” to mean “unpopular.”
Dr. Jakyll and Miss Deride
The NYT has evidently hired DougJ to write their headlines. To wit: “Trump Charges Bring Hope, Doubt, and Uncertainty to Both Parties.”
Soprano2
@brantl: I guess they believe the anti-abortion lie that it’s only “irresponsible sluts” who get abortions. Maybe that’s why they thought most women wouldn’t care if the right to safe abortion was taken away.
Matt McIrvin
@Tony Jay: Yes, I think that’s what he’s saying. The question was, do people care when Republicans overtly try to restrict democracy or don’t they? And he’s saying they do.
It was an open question. Some of the early pushes like voter ID, that could be framed as protecting election integrity, were actually pretty popular–the median person saw them as reasonable. But now Republicans are just openly trying to restrict or neutralize voting by Democratic constituencies because they can, and not even really giving any justification that makes sense.
That said, Silver is also oddly ignoring abortion rights here.
Dr. Jakyll and Miss Deride
The NYT has evidently hired DougJ to write their headlines. To wit: “Trump Charges Bring Hope, Fear, and Uncertainty to Both Parties.”
Dr. Jakyll and Miss Deride
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Matt McIrvin
@JR: A generation, I don’t know. Looks to me like the moment it changed was the inauguration of Barack Obama. He had a honeymoon period because he had been elected as Mr. Fixit and it was obviously a historic event. But ever since then, the norm things settle down to has been a President slightly underwater in the polls with rigid partisan polarization.
But Obama was closer to 50-50 and managed to bring it up into positive territory right when it came time to reelect him (and they became positive again for a while in 2016, when he wasn’t the focus of attention any more–but it didn’t help the Democrats).
The main difference with Trump was that his “honeymoon” started lower with him barely net positive, and he didn’t accomplish that critical rise at reelection time.
Biden had a longer honeymoon than Trump, though it wasn’t spectacular. Again, he was Mr. Fixit. And now we’re in the disappointment period of him not having fixed everything and he’s about in the same place Trump was, a bit lower than Obama. But it’s all a game of inches.
The thing is, I’m not sure approval/disapproval maps to people being unwilling to turn out for him. Negative partisanship and policy-based turnout for Democrats seems to be a huge thing right now; there are issues that really matter to people and they don’t necessarily care whether the politicians they vote for put on a good show.
One dramatic difference from the Obama era was that then, Obama was personally popular with Democrats but they weren’t turning out for state and local elections, and it had this corrosive effect on Democratic control of government. That seems to have changed.
Another Scott
@SpaceUnit: +1
Presidential popularity tracks with gas prices. That’s a big reason why OPEC is cutting production – they want GQPers to win.
We can’t take anything for granted, and we can’t be complacent. Fight for every possible vote every time.
Cheers,
Scott.
New Deal democrat
@Matt McIrvin: Full disclosure: I think Silver is incredibly tin-eared, with a really low EQ. He still doesn’t get that he got played last October; that the phony “red wave” polls were aimed directly at him and his polling aggregations.
But having gone to his feed and read his comments, I think he did mean to include Dobbs. He just said it in a, well, tin-eared way.
raven
Baud
@raven:
His debates with Marianne Williamson are going to be lit!
Wanderer
@Quiltingfool: We’ll said.
bbleh
@Amir Khalid: well, most of the right people, and after all isn’t that what really matters?
@Frankensteinbeck: or at least “well I don’t exactly love Biden, but oh my gawd that other guy…!
@SpaceUnit: but it really is more than that, no? On the journalists’ part it’s maintaining access in the interest of having sources of material (however biased) and getting one’s byline on the front pages, and on the publishers’ part it’s keeping fash-curious readers from running away and losing advertising dollars as a result (plus probably avoiding nasty looks from their social circles).
zhena gogolia
@Dr. Jakyll and Miss Deride: I literally thought yesterday that “Biden Has Oval Office, but Trump Has Spotlight” was a DougJ tweet (I first saw it on his feed — he posts actual NYT headlines sometimes).
Matt McIrvin
@Quiltingfool: A lot of male politicians and pundits seem to have an ignorance of reproduction on almost a “how is babby formed?” level. They think the subject is gross; they don’t like to think about it. And I think it leads to them just ignoring the political reality too.
Baud
@Dr. Jakyll and Miss Deride:
@zhena gogolia:
Both of those are awful.
Betty
@Quiltingfool: Ah, so that why Republicans are so anxious to kill Tic Toc. Also why they are doing what they can to disenfranchise young voters.
suzanne
@Ryan:
I think he’s just a typical dude, who doesn’t ever have to worry about an unplanned or unhealthy pregnancy, and doesn’t grok that it’s an existential issue for women/uterus havers.
Baud
@Betty:
I fully expect Musk to use his control of Twitter to do the same thing.
lowtechcyclist
@Anyway:
It would be nice to be able to say this was atypical of him, but unfortunately it isn’t. I don’t even read the FTFNYT but I’m regularly exposed to examples of his worthless blather.
They’re the ones who put reporters like Baker and Haberman on their front page. I really believe I’ll live to see the say when very few people give a damn what the NYT says.
OverTwistWillie
@Ryan:
538’s Chicago voter archetypes piece was…. something. Like out of a 1988 Newsweek.
Jumping the shark? A cry for help? Nate’s just haggling about price at this point.
lowtechcyclist
@Baud:
Because they’re the “pro-family” party, don’t’cha know?
Princess
Some news from Tuesday that Protaseiwicz did much better than expected in rural right wing parts of WI. Of course the news media can’t figure this out but I know who those voters are — women, probably mostly fairly young women under forty or so.
Baud
The WSJ seems to get it.
OverTwistWillie
@Baud:
Big Media is going to keep pumping the cultural, economic and political miasma of 1985, because Boomers is gonna live forever.
Chief Oshkosh
@Quiltingfool:
I am an oldster and don’t use social media much at all, but I wonder if Democrats (e.g., Stacey Abrams) are explaining on social media how we got to this situation and that voting is the way out of it?
different-church-lady
“My opponent is being arrested. What can I do to distract people from that?” is… quite a take.
Apparently Baker is a lot like Trump: the only thing he thinks matters is who the spotlight is on.
p.a.
MSM apparently can’t process why a political party with ~ 50% of its followers believing the earth is 6,000 years old is reactionary!
And they’re not even getting payoffs for the fluffing…
bjacques
@Baud: that reminded me of the mountain of shit the Great State Of Florida visited on cartoonist Mike Diana 30 years ago. Jesus. He only got out from under it in 2020, says Wikipedia.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Diana
different-church-lady
@sab:
Well by now we know perfectly clearly that to the NYTs that’s “most people”.
Matt McIrvin
@Princess: This is why, if I were a Republican state legislator mulling over removing Protasiewicz through impeachment, I would think twice. It’s not a situation where their local support is so entrenched they don’t have to worry.
different-church-lady
@Baud:
When the WSJ is the only major paper willing to not-reconfirm their priors, then we’re sailing into the “there be dragons” section of the map.
OverTwistWillie
That Chicago election?
Those old fucks got old.
Chicago Democrats voted for tomorrow.
eversor
@Soprano2:
That’s not fully it. If you read the big Christian publications on this the writers and commenters are remarkably open about it at times. They don’t like sex, period. But if sex is going to happen it should be only in marriage. The New Testament condemned sex pretty hard as well with Paul even coming out and saying it was always bad but marriage made it not so bad. So the authors will come out and say that in addition to saving the babies getting rid of abortion and birth control will get rid of porn, promiscuity, and force people into chastity when not actively trying to create a child. Also the Church is the bride of Christ and marriage and sex are a union before god so any violation of this is the greatest threat to religion, civilization, and humanity. They are also aware that if you look at the younger generations not only are they not Christian, they’ve wised up and are outright hostile to Christianity. Saying you go to Church is either being a weirdo or claiming you went to a Klan rally. But they think if they can enforce Christian morality by law, get prayer back in public schools, and have Christianity in the government this can all be reversed.
Of course that’s ridiculous and a look at our history shows conclusively that people like fucking and are going to keep doing it, but they are convinced it will. But once again, like all our problems, it all stems from Christianity and is a lost cause as long as Christianity is here.
lowtechcyclist
@bjacques: Good Lord! I’d never heard of any of this, but then for most of the 1990s I was living in news deserts like Florence, SC and Bristol, VA.
different-church-lady
The whole thing is so amazing to me. It’s like we’re here in the third decade of the 21st century and the institutional media response to Dobbs was straight out of the mid-20th: “Oh, it’s not going to matter what a bunch of silly women think!”
Baud
@different-church-lady:
They say it because they want it to be true, and they hope to make it true by saying it.
different-church-lady
@Frankensteinbeck:
Especially if the option is the creepy uncle once again.
Kay
@New Deal democrat:
Sorry- not buying it. They’ve been ramming thru nutso gun laws since Scalia. The question is what changed? “What changed” is Dobbs. Political media don’t want to admit it because they don’t think womens autonomy and agency are important and they (insanely) think THEY are somehow the median voter. They minimized Dobbs when it happened and have been minimizing it ever since, to the extent (now) of hand waving away election results.
They missed the story. They’re still missing it.
different-church-lady
@Matt McIrvin: Quite a few years ago I suspected we were entering a phase where it was going to be impossible for any seated politician to get above water. I think society has become so cynical that politicians are just viewed negatively by default, no matter what they actually do.
Suzanne
@Baud:
I’m not sure this is true, genuinely. At least not knowingly.
I think it’s really difficult, at times, to separate out your wishes from honest assessment of facts before you. All humans see patters, and you see more of the patterns you look for. What do you look for, subconsciously? The things you’re interested in and know about.
I felt this acutely when trying to predict hat’s going to happen with DeMeatball. Like, I kind of feel like the bloom is falling off that rose and he’s going to be a big time national flop? But I can’t tell if I genuinely think that, or I just really want to think that?
Kay
Here’s a numbers person who didn’t get let his own feelings about the relative importance of issues blind him to what he’s watching:
They missed Dobbs. They can either admit that error or continue to miss it.
different-church-lady
@New Deal democrat: Not that I have any interest in defending Silver, but yeah, I would think Dobbs would be a subset component of “anti-democratic policies”, rather than exclusive of it.
bbleh
@Kay: In fairness, it appears to be breaking through to at least some of them, especially following the WI Supreme Court election. Protasiewicz (dang, almost got it right first try) made reproductive rights her MAJOR theme, and she won BIG, including in some very red counties. So maybe … mmmmaybe … they’re starting to get the message.
different-church-lady
@Kay:
Possibly. But another possibility is that they are so wired to receive republican spin that their own feelings aren’t even part of the process.
JML
It’s important to realize that Nate Silver had one good idea when it comes to political analysis (aggregating polling data to get a better view of where the electorate actually was, smoothing out any news of the day blips, and marginalizing bad samples or weak pollsters). That’s literally it. The rest of his work has been mediocre attempts to put more data analytics into 538’s political reporting along with more technocratic reporters/analysts (in theory).
But a lot of their data analytics work isn’t really all that good and relies entirely on data collected by others that they’re trying to reinterpret “better”, and their supposed technocratic and more impartial reporters and analysts are just the same kind of political reporting with a tech bro package layered on top. He’s really disappointed, but we probably should have seen this coming: his sports work was done at a time before data analytics was really being done in public and a lot of that statistical information was already out there and needed people to package it up in digestible forms. On the political side, the actual data work is different, and he and his teams aren’t doing it.
different-church-lady
@Kay:
They didn’t merely miss it. They waived it away.
Omnes Omnibus
@bbleh:
Yeah, abortion with a side of voting rights turns out to have been a pretty good message for Justice Janet.
different-church-lady
@JML:
Shorter: he made his name by ignoring opinion and focusing on data. Now he’s layering opinion on top of the data, which is counter to what made his thing work in the first place.
LiminalOwl
@Quiltingfool: Thank you, this is excellent. And best wishes for speedy healing of your knee, and no (or at least much less) pain.
Also too: since a time when you posted a link to your quilts on etsy, I go look at them periodically. Can’t buy one because the cats would destroy it, but looking at the pictures gives me great pleasure.
Kay
Checked 538’s own election coverage from election night:
Undeniable, obviously. No weasel word minimizing there!
Weird that the big players won’t mention the word Dobbs or (more verboten) abortion. Womens health is icky.
different-church-lady
@Kay:
Is there going to be some kind of major change to women’s anatomy before 2024 or something?
RedDirtGirl
@Baud: Here is a link to a Daily Kos article
OverTwistWillie
@Kay:
Some crank might write a letter.
Kay
@different-church-lady:
Well, she knew enough to compare with Biden’s 2020 results which is what one would do if one were looking for “what changed” instead of covering ones ass on missing the impact of Dobbs with hand waving.
Guns were an issue in 2020. Voting was an issue in 2020. Joe Biden himself put democracy on the ballot in 2020. But the Biden margins changed, so the question is what caused that?
Tony G
@Amir Khalid: Speaking as an old Boomer, my observation is that the vast majority of people have had a negative point of view about ALL politicians at least since the mid-sixties. I see no evidence that the sentiment about Biden is any different from that. Hell — I don’t like Biden all that much, but I recognize that the alternative is fascism.
different-church-lady
@Kay: Yeah, she definitely got most of that post right. But then the “predictions are hard, especially about the future” bullshit wormed its way in.
Soprano2
@eversor: Do you think it’s that they don’t like sex, or that they think anything pleasurable that isn’t religious in nature is by default sinful?
You do know it’s not just Christianity that has this kind of attitude, right? Most religions are conservative in nature,and are controlled by conservative men; they want to repress women and offload everything evil onto women. I’ve read that there is a prayer Jewish men can say that’s basically “Thank God I’m not a woman”. This is why I have not been able to join any religion, because I cannot be a part of anything that thinks I’m a secondary person. These religions can try as much as they want to have more “liberal” wings, but at heart their religious books were written thousands of years ago by people who thought women weren’t really persons who should be full citizens; they thought women were men’s possessions, only good to make babies and serve men, period. It’s hard for me to reconcile this with “God loves us all equally”.
Kathleen
@sab: oh sab I do so hope you are right. I still haven’t given up on Ohio believe it or not. If Michigan and Wisconsin can come back Ohio can too.
Kathleen
@opiejeanne: He’s unpopular with our “Journalistic Betters” in the Mainslime Media.
Argiope
@Matt McIrvin: This is absolutely true. Here in OH we had the state lawmaker (R-misogyny) who thought re-implanting ectopic pregnancies in the uterus was a thing. I have personally conversed with an R state senator who (admirably, actually) asked about the timeframe from fertilization to implantation since he’s heard competing narratives. Yet these bozos are making laws about healthcare.
Soprano2
@Kay: But Kay, don’t you know that the only “real” important voter is the blue class white voter in rural areas? *rolleyes* In the face of overwhelming evidence this isn’t true, the press still believes the “Reagan Democrat” is the “real” voter who reflects the “true position of real people”. Women aren’t a part of that, it’s one of the reasons they can’t see us, just like they kept saying Hillary was wildly unpopular because they couldn’t see the millions of women who loved her. To them these women are unimportant, almost non-people. What does the disgruntled white guy in rural Ohio think, that’s who they still believe the “average” voter is. They’re stuck in the 1980’s.
Argiope
@Omnes Omnibus: Abortion with a side of voting rights
I want that on a T-shirt.
Kathleen
@Quiltingfool: Outstanding post. Thank you and hope your knee recovers soon!
Kathleen
@Baud: And women from living and breathing.
sdhays
@Soprano2: The gerontocracy in the media is a bigger problem than the gerontocracy in the politicians. We need a media more balanced towards people who know the same about Reagan Democrats as they do about FDR Republicans.
Kay
@Soprano2:
It’s more than that, though. There’s a kind of sneer embedded when they talk about “suburban women” and Dobbs now- they too have been deemed unworthy as voters. There’s no such analysis of suburban men. The issues suburban men vote on are somehow automatically and obviously important.
In a way it doesn’t matter. They’ll just get further away from what people are actually thinking and talking about. Maybe it’s good. Most of them did a lousy job covering “issues” anyway. If they started covering abortion we’d probably get 500 interviews with anti abortion 30 year olds they found at a fundie religious retreat.
The Dobbs reaction has been kind of organic. Voters led on it. Politicians followed. If political media never catches up it doesn’t matter that much. Turns out they’re not at all essential.
Kathleen
@zhena gogolia: It’s getting more difficult to distinguish NYT real headlines from Doug’s satire.
Kay
Clarence Thomas has a wealthy Right wing patron. The patron gives Thomas and wife lavish luxury trips several times a year with a value of about 500k annually. Thomas reported none of it:
Eventually the public wil demand that federal judges be reined in. They abuse the trust they are given. I think reform of the lifetime appointments and complete lack of accountability comes up again and eventually reforms pass.
They did it to themselves. They wouldn’t self police, so they have to be regulated.
Kay
This is true. Clarence Thomas sold this ridiculous fairy tale to media about how he and Ginny vacation in a travel trailer in Wal Mart parking lots when actually they are aboard yachts and at private islands, courtesy of their wealthy patron. Another fraud.
Kathleen
@Kay: They don’t think Black voters are relevant either. Too many of them have no emotional intelligence or self awareness.
Kay
@Kathleen:
The snottiness about suburban women voters is new though. It started with them sneering at “resistance moms” and has continued with Dobbs. There is no comparable sneering analysis of suburban male voters. Odd.
Again- I don’t care. If Republicans and media want to write off yet another bloc of voters as worthy of contempt – suburban women now- they are free to do so. I just hope Democrats ignore the chatter because they’re winning with this coalition that has formed, even if most of the coalition are the “unimportant voters” :)
Just win. Let Nate Silver and the NYTimes churn out words and ignore them.
Matt McIrvin
@JML: In 538’s punditty chat about Trump’s indictment they seem to have decided that being indicted is good or neutral for Trump on balance.
Ken
As I understand it, this means he can now commit financial fraud, shoot people on Fifth Avenue, and steal classified papers from the government, and the authorities can’t arrest him because that would be unprecedented interference with an election.
Oh. Never mind, none of that applies to those people.
bbleh
@Dr. Jakyll and Miss Deride: @zhena gogolia: @Kathleen: what seems a little weird to me is that they write stories about how TFG “has the spotlight” as though it were a phenomenon of nature when they themselves are shining it on him. I mean, these typically are not entirely stupid people, and some of the papers still do very valuable investigative reporting, but with that kind of blind spot I really gotta wonder what they’re putting in the coffee at the politics desk.
Ken
Imagine what being executed for treason will do for his poll numbers!
bbleh
@JML: @Matt McIrvin: @Ken: it’s a shame, but they really do seem to have been reduced to Deliciously Contrary Narratives.
I still look at them and RCP for individual poll results, but the aggregation and “analysis” is increasingly worthless.
artem1s
@sab:
Please remind them that the Ohio ‘Green’ party does not have their best interests in mind. And to not listen to the Greens, Berners, Libertarians, Nina Turner or Kucinich babies when they start screeching about Senator Sherrod Brown being a neoliberal, corporate shill. Or that the Dems are no different than the mainstream corporate GOP. There is no third party way in Ohio right now. Stop expecting twitter likes to save you. Get your ass out and vote. Vote Dem or learn to live in New Gilead.
New Deal democrat
@Kay: “Eventually the public wil demand that federal judges be reined in. They abuse the trust they are given. I think reform of the lifetime appointments and complete lack of accountability comes up again and eventually reforms pass.”
The Constitution actually does not give them lifetime appointments, but rather appointments “on good behavior,” subject to impeachment.
Congress has never specified what “good behavior” means, but Thomas is virtually begging them to do it.
The problem remains the nearly insurmountable requirement of a 2/3’s majority in the Senate to convict.
WaterGirl
@Baud: Holy shit.
NorthLeft
So I’m just asking here, not being an American and all, but is this Kennedy really alive or is he the one who is kind of dead?
Another Scott
@New Deal democrat: +Eleventy Billion.
The GQPers know push polling and they know Silver and other sites will grab every poll they can because “numbers are objective”. Silver knows that every poll has some house bias, and tries to correct for it, but crap with some sugar sprinkled on top is still crap that he should exclude and not try to somehow correct.
Polling (with a very few exceptions like the GSS from the NORC) is broken and too many monsters try to use it to create the reality they want.
“Let’s see, on one hand, we have all these post November 2016 results that tell us one thing. On the other hand we have this new poll from MAGA America Fighting the Space Lizards Under Your Bed For America. Decisions… Let’s got with the poll!!1″
:-/
Maybe Silver would be slightly more relevant to the real world if he took DougJ’s advice for his podcast topics…
Cheers,
Scott.
sab
@Quiltingfool: Such an excellent comment. This exactly describes my niece, my daughter-in-law and my sister-in-law.
sab
@NorthLeft: He is the famous Bobby Kennedy’s son.
MisterDancer
@WaterGirl: Assuming this is even close to true? DeSantis is a monster.
sab
@artem1s: They are apolitical and probably aren’t even aware there is a Green party in Ohio. The thinking before was Republicans love babies and Democrats don’t. Dobbs changed that. Republicans apparently hate women and Democrats don’t.
WaterGirl
@MisterDancer: Absolutely a monster. It seems like the DOJ ought to be able to step in with an abuse of power like that.
MisterDancer
It’s absolutely infuriating that this poster continually pushes killing off Christianity as the solution to all of problems. It’s as dumbfounding as the people who insist racism goes away as soon as we implement a classless society, or Libertarian ideas.
Quiltingfool
@LiminalOwl: For more quilt pictures, I am Quiltykitties on Instagram…or on Pinterest: pin.it/4X9BpUT
Do your cats scratch quilts, like they would upholstered furniture? That’s a shame. My cats just liked sleeping on quilts.
Omnes Omnibus
@MisterDancer: Bigots gonna bigot.
JML
@NorthLeft: This Kennedy is the one who has sold out his family legacy for grifty anti-vaxx dollars. Which is weird, because they’re all rich AF. He got a lot of fans on the left for his environmental work and then went full-on nutjob with the anti-vaxx BS
Anyway
@JML:
I don’t understand his identification as Democrat – in what universe is he a D?
Eolirin
@JML: I think he’s a true believer, likely stemming from his environmental work. There’s a strong anti-technology bias in that community, and it’s counter productive even there, but it leaves them very open to anti-medical science and especially anti-pharmaceutical appeals.
Not that pharma has done themselves any favors in terms of credibility, which is a huge part of the problem.
Quinerly
@Baud:
Holy shit!
DOEabv
@Anyway:
RFK Jr is not-bright and crazy, but he’s not sufficiently not-bright and crazy to be a GOPer.
CaseyL
@Anyway:
RFK Jr is not-bright and crazy, but he’s not sufficiently not-bright and crazy to be a GOPer.
J R in WV
@Quiltingfool:
So much this !! Me too !!! or waiting half an hour until I’m able to take the next dose of pain meds… chronic pain sucks hard!
J R in WV
@Baud:
Fixed that for ya. Watched NBC over the air covering the DNC convention, would see a speech, followed by Ms Mitchell telling us that we didn’t see what we saw at all~!~ We saw something completely different, just ask Ms Mitchell.
Total falsehoods based upon her internal hallucinations or something. Have despised her ever since !!
J R in WV
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Quinerly
Gym Jordan has subpoenaed Mark Pomerantz, (DA in Bragg’s office who quit and wrote the book). Breitbart reporting.
Ixnay
Stole this, can’t attribute, but it’s Justice Prozacsandwich. Much like Subaru Diane…
Ruckus
@different-church-lady:
I think it is almost the rare politician who doesn’t think about who the spotlight is on. Because without that spotlight, or at the very least not a negative spotlight I’d bet it is more difficult to keep getting votes. Also we have 2 sides in our politics and they really, really aren’t just on opposite sides, they are currently as different as day and an infectious deadly disease.
Paul in KY
@Shalimar: There are beaucoup MAGA choads who live in Pensacola.
Tony G
@Anyway: My impression of RFK Junior is that he’s just another entitled, rich white guy. A dime a dozen. He has the same initials as his famous, dead father, and he’s made a career out of that.