Tennessee Two Posts In One Day – Reappointment Hearing 3 pm ET (LIVE) by WaterGirl| April 12, 20232:58 pm| 81 CommentsThis post is in: Open ThreadsFacebookTweetEmailLooks like we’re gonna need that Tennessee category. h/t CaseyL Open thread.
Tennessee fiired up and ready to go!
This is the first time I haven’t been pissed off by a prayer at the beginning of a government meeting.
@WaterGirl: I’m fond of this blessing, personally.
The Tennessee legislature certainly taught those ……s a lesson!
Shelby County 7-0 to reinstate!
Big march with Gloria Johnson and Justin Jones in attendance.
“I believe you are called for a time such as this.”
I can’t get enough of this Republican “own goal” story. Loves me some Justins, especially since they are stylistically so different – but both extraordinarily effective. I particularly like the regularity with which Justin Jones calls out that pustulant wart of a House Speaker – Cameron Sexton – by name.
Arrested Development – Tennessee
Take me to another place, take me to another land
Make me forget all that hurts me, let me understand your plan
Take me to another place, take me to another land
Make me forget all that hurts me, let me understand your plan
@Almost Retired: I was thinking law of unintended consequences, but “own goal” is much more satisfying, I think.
Inspired by this meeting, I have a prayer of my own.
May the ignorant, motherfucking racists in the legislature in TN live to regret this moment, and live to regret the spotlight they will be living under.
Can I get an Amen?
Wow. I would follow Justin Pearson anywhere. He has the gift of inspiring leadership, in spades.
I loved not just his passion and energy, but his clear-sightedness which, happily, the Commission share (and, from what I can tell, a majority of Shelby County, which is why the state GOP is trying to dismantle it.)
The expulsion in Tennessee was shocking because it shows that the South will slide back into Jim Crow at lightning speed, given the chance. These aren’t the segregationists of the 1950s-60s; they grew up in a supposedly “more enlightened” South. Remember that, the alleged “New South”? It doesn’t exist. The Civil Rights era may as well have not happened. They are, if not the same individuals, the same malignant characters.
Hurray for Shelby County! They’ve redeemed themselves for catching me in a speed trap at the low point of a 40-mile-long downslope on the Interstate in 1980.
And yeah, Justin P. is awesome. Those State Leg. mooks should have learned by now not to mess with the son of two preachers.
No Justins No Peace
But Roberts said racism is dead.
@WaterGirl: Amen. And I may live to regret the naivety of this comment, but is this time finally the tipping point on gun issues? It obviously wasn’t the frequency of mass-shootings.
But the Republicans are seriously, seriously over-reaching on gun issues – not to mention women’s health issues. I think if they had just said “we just need to enforce the existing laws” and changed the subject, we would have returned to shrugging it off. But this feels different.
So I’ve been wondering, how can the two lawmakers get their seats back (I thought they were expelled). Found some Q&A here https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/05/what-if-tennessee-house-members-get-expelled-heres-what-we-know/70081397007/
and “Could the expelled House members run in their districts again?
Yes, they could. The Tennessee attorney general ruled so in a 1981 opinion about expelled members with felony convictions. Breaking House rules is not illegal, and does not prevent a member who was expelled from being appointed to the seat or winning election to it again.”
Which makes me wonder what will prevent the (assumed R) TN AG from making a new rule about expelled members.
@WaterGirl: Amen! I live in Crossville, TN the supposed residence of Cameron Sexton and his “new” family. The Speakers “old” family still lives here. His exwife does not speak ill of him in public but has nothing good to say either. Crossville is a former sundown town and the racism still runs deep. I am enjoying the hell out of the bright spotlight of national attention being focused on these crackers. The Tennessee Three are heroes in this household. Amen!
I really like that they told the audience they could express approval or disapproval by a thumbs up or thumbs down. That lets people participate without interrupting the speakers so everyone can still hear the proceedings.
@WaterGirl: Amen. Continuing the fine tradition of the GOP hoisting themselves on their own petard going back to the 1950’s, when they enacted the concept of no President being allowed to serve more than two terms, cleverly avoiding another FDR. And biting themselves in the ass with Eisenhower.
@CaseyL: I wondered whether Shelby County was the Shelby County of the court case that gutted the VRA, but, no, that was in Alabama.
@JCJ: I stole that for a rotating tag.
@FastEdD: How have you been doing?
@japa21: Yeah. For as long as we held a metaphorical (i.e., VRA) gun to their heads, and not one instant longer.
(Roberts knew. Dismantling civil rights is one of the reasons he’s there.)
@Matt McIrvin: Yeah, I was, not so much confused as “wait, that name sounds familiar.” But they are very different places!
@Sparkedcat: I lived in a little town in Arkansas in 1960. Jim Crow was in full force. I can’t imagine wanting to live anywhere in the south. I hope you’re managing to stay reasonably sane and happy.
@japa21: He said that, but he lied.
@japa21: Yes, and their expulsion had nothing to do with racism, it was about ethics in gaming journalism.
The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion
@Ken: This is why we need an upvote button.
It’s dead to him.
I’d guess everybody’s feeling the “”If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine” vibes, right?
Meanwhile, in Missouri:
This is Missouri
Ceci n est pas mon nym
It’s been well documented that Republicans don’t seem to think issues are real until they affect them personally. The Kentucky governor lost a personal friend in the bank shooting, so it sort of dawned on him that mass shootings are a problem that can even affect him, and it’s moving him to take some slight executive action.
Tipping point? I don’t know. But as the frequency increases we’ll see more and more Republicans personally affected and that may move the needle at least a tiny bit.
Sibling marriages are forever.
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
The KY governor is a Dem.
@Michael Bersin: Can I revoke my place of birth?
You have the power of cancellation.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Baud: Ah. Oh well, there goes that theory.
But there are other signs of cracks in the armor. I saw a video of a Fox reporter going against the company line and pleading during his report (from Louisville I think) for some sanity regarding AR-15s.
And Ann Coulter of all people said something not exactly pro-sanity the other day, but urging the Republican party to give a better pretense of sanity on guns and abortion.
I called Rep. Peter Merideth’s (D) office in the capitol to confirm that the exchange did take place. I mean, it was on video with audio, though I had to be certain.
I should have known better. It happened.
It’s not surprising because it is Mike Moon (r). That’s on Missourians who keep electing him.
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: One of the teachers killed in Nashville was a close friend and former colleague of the state’s Republican First Lady, so you’re were close!
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: The Governor of Kentucky, Andy Beshear, is a democrat
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Isn’t Kentucky’s governor a Democrat?
ETA: Should have guessed Baud would get there first!
O/T: I like Tammy Baldwin, I really do, and I’m happy she’s running for reëlection, but five fundraising emails in the past four hours? That’s a bit much.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
@Miss Bee: This is what boggles my mind…the reddest States will elect Democrats for Governor once it dawns on the residents that the Republican screwed up royally and the next one is going to be even worse so if we want this place to be livable lets hold our nose and vote for the Dem. Like, Louisiana and Kansas both also have Dem Governors. But…everyone in those States will always vote for Republicans for the Senate and then complain that the Federal Government is FUBAR nonstop. Wouldn’t it dawn on people, eventually, that maybe the folks you’re sending to Washington are basically minor variations on the Governor that screwed the pooch and hence the reason for the FUBAR?
Maybe for some of them this current crop is the tipping point. I mean, they aren’t offering anything constructive on any issue. It’s nihilism all the way down. Eventually maybe they’ll realize that while they don’t like Dems in general at least the Dem running for office is offering something constructive while the alternative speaks in mean spirited gibberish and seems two cans short of a six pack.
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: I think a lot of people in red states, and a lot of GQP voters in general, have no concept that legislators have any work to do. Most of what they see their own legislators do, at both the state and federal level, is performance art. And they are fine with that — it’s the essence of owning the libs.
But they do understand what people in executive positions do — someone gets to be the boss, right? And they know from personal experience that an incompetent boss can screw up the whole organization. (Not sure how they missed TFG’s incompetence, but it’s probably due to the smokescreen provided to him by RW media, a smokescreen not provided to the same extent for governors.)
Corrupt Republican house speaker Cameron Sexton became speaker because of his predecessor Glenn Casada’s alleged corruption – trial scheduled for October 2023; indicted on 20 counts theft, bribery, kickbacks, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit fraud.
Is there a list of corrupt Republican house speakers?
US House: longest serving R speaker in history Dennis Hastert, sentenced in 2016 to prison in connection with hush money payments to one of the boys he sexually abused
Ohio corrupt R House Speaker Larry Householder, speaker 2019-20, convicted March 2023 in $60 million bribery scheme.
This week former Michigan R H S Rick Johnson admitted in court to accepting bribes as pot regulator.
Last year former Michigan R H S Lee Chatfield accused by his sister-in-law of sexual assault for years when she was a teenager
there are probably more.
not just Rs; NY Sheldon Silver and IL Mike Madigan corrupt Ds.
@Baud: And Kentucky voters in their infinite wisdom gave him a GOP legislative supermajority. Hence the executive action. He can’t do anything else.
@gwangung: I hadn’t thought of that, but I laughed when I read it.
Mr. I’ll show them by putting them in their place may have some regrets. I certainly hope so!
@SiubhanDuinne: Ridiculous! Isn’t there a link to click that says “fewer emails?”
@BlueGuitarist: I knew the right hated him, but Mike Madigan is corrupt?
He sure as hell saved our butts for the years when we had R governors.
Steve in the ATL
@SiubhanDuinne: you gave out your real email address? That’s on you!
you would know better than I. Looks like trial is scheduled for April 1, 2024 so maybe it’s a joke. I should have said alleged.
my main point was that Rs are very corrupt.
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Beshear is a Democrat. Lee is the GQP gov whose wife lost a friend. He’s done fuck-all.
@Steve in the ATL:
I don’t think most of us expected that using your own email address, or making a contribution via act blue express, when you contribute to a candidate would result in 1,000 – 2,000 fundraising emails a month -maybe more since I only got 3 from Tammy today.
I suggested to ActBlue that they make “don’t share my email with campaigns” the default, not something you have to know to activate when you set up an act blue page.
More complaints to the campaigns and ActBlue seem like the only way they will know there’s a downside to bombarding supporters with email.
@smith: “The Apprentice” series made TFG out to be competent, and people believed it.
“Here’s a lawsuit for you, and a lawsuit for you, and a lawsuit for you…”
Oh good. Cohen can go all Dominion on him. Get that discovery!
The Southern District of Florida would only be a proper venue if a Florida court could exercise personal jurisdiction over Cohen. Expect a motion to dismiss, or in the alternative to transfer to SDNY.
Twitter is facing up to $30 billion in fines in Germany:
And there’s more trouble for Fox in its Dominion trial:
Open thread- happy to report that the odious “gender alert” bill introduced by 2 Republican (who else?) members of the CA assembly, which would have required teachers to notify parents if their child identified as a gender that did “not align with the child’s sex listed on their birth certificate”, has been killed. My wonderful (Dem) Assemblymember Al Muratsuchi was the one who stopped it!
Another representative was expelled today from the state house. This time, in Arizona. And this time, a Republican-controlled legislature expelled a Republican.
To continue our discussion from yesterday about Senator Feinstein’s current health, today Representative Ro Khanna called for the Senator to resign.
@FelonyGovt: Something like that in CA? That’s shocking.
Glad it has gone down the drain.
@WaterGirl: Republicans, probably trying for a spot on Fox News or a way to raise wingnut $$$.
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Kentucky’s governor is a Democrat with little power due to both state houses holding a Republican super majority.
@Scout211: Politico has an article out:
It covers all the scenarios that we discussed in detail, with the addition of this:
“California is one of the 36 states that allow the governor to appoint a senator to hold the seat until the next regularly scheduled statewide election.
However, should an appointment happen too close to March 2024, experts said the Senate election could not be consolidated with the primary.”
@FelonyGovt: Makes sense.
@Scout211: Well, I call on some capable Democrat to beat Rep. Khanna next year. Then he can go to work for Fox News full time instead of part time.
@citizen dave: “Which makes me wonder what will prevent the (assumed R) TN AG from making a new rule about expelled members.”
Maybe, just maybe, having seen the national blowback from the expulsions, he’ll recon that trying to squash the two Justins later in the special elections would make matters even worse.
Speaking of which, I’m relishing that the TN GOP will have to endure the special elections. As another period when they’ll have their malfeasance brought back in front of all of TN and the nation.
Had the TN Republicans just voted for some sort of (unmerited) censure, the flap would lasted a couple days and probably not have been nearly as big a national story. But they had to grasp for the brass ring! Hahaha.
Now the second Democratic Representative has called for Feinstein to resign.
@Scout211: You know, I don’t disagree that she is not doing the job, but this looks kind of mean-spirited IMO since she’s been out since February with a case of shingles.
@FelonyGovt: DiFi stated when she was first hospitalized, she’d only be out of circulation “a few weeks.” She’s been out of the hospital for weeks and is recovering at home.
I think it’s the silence from her and her staff that’s frustrating. Plus, Biden can’t get anymore judges appointed as her vote is necessary in the Judicial Committee.
@Scout211: IThis obviously will be a hot topic until Senator Feinstein either resigns or resumes active duty in the Senate. In the meantime, I guess I can’t blame Congressmen Khanna and Phillips for burnishing their credentials by getting out front on this issue. It certainly proves something,
But Senator Feinstein isn’t going to resign because so many Representatives call on her to. It’s Feinstein’s Senate colleagues who have influence in this matter. Most of them will make their views known privately, at least at first, because they have no need to grandstand on this issue.
@Geminid: This Monday is the key date for me. That’s when the Senate comes back from recess. If Senator Feinstein can’t resume active duty by then I hope Senator Murray will visit San Francisco and bring a letter from Feinstein’s other Senate friends urging her to resign.
Monday, April 17 will be a significant day for Mitch McConnell also. His Republican colleagues want badly to see him back McConnell’s absence hasn’t hurt Republicans like Feinstein’s has hurt Democrats. It might even be good for those lazy fucks to do some of the work they rely on McConnell for.
Update: Senator Feinstein has rejected a call to resign but will step down from judiciary temporarily. So maybe the public calls to resign prompted her and her staff to take this action. I think it is a good compromise right now.
@Scout211: This is good. We need as many federal judges approved as humanly possible.
Oh, by the way… Where’s the other octogenarian with a looooong recuperation?
Mitch? Mitch? How’s the home stay going?