If I had to travel a lot, I’d want to have New Yorker food writer Helen Rosner on speed dial for recommendations such as this, from a 2022 article called “A Perfect Ham Sandwich at 30,000 Feet,” subtitled “One of the best things you can eat in L.A. is on the flight home.” (link):
An hour and a half before I plan to arrive at the airport, I arrive at the Apple Pan, suitcase in tow. My order never varies: a hickory burger with cheddar, a side of fries, and a slice of banana cream pie. If you find yourself in L.A., do yourself a favor by dropping by the restaurant and replicating my order to the letter. And here’s the real trick: just before you’ve finished eating, flag down one of the countermen and ask him to make a ham sandwich to go. Then—and this is key—eat it on the flight home. I try to hold out until the plane crosses the Rockies, but on particularly hungry afternoons I’ll have taken the first bite as early as Arizona.
The Apple Pan’s ham sandwich is simultaneously unremarkable and exquisite. The menu, with characteristic efficiency, describes it thus: “Our own baked ham served with mayonnaise and lettuce on choice of bread.” This undersells what is one of the world’s great straight-shooter lunches: a small mountain of thinly sliced meat, pink as rose petals, beneath a similarly lofty pile of thick-cut iceberg lettuce, the whole thing gobbed with mayonnaise. (My choice of bread is almost always rye, though there are no wrong choices.) A to-go order comes wrapped in white paper; it’s thrown into a sack alongside a plastic container of pickles, which inevitably spills some excess brine that then gets soaked up by the sandwich. When bitten into, during the inhumane ordeal of commercial air travel, this mammoth creation—both oddly nostalgic and obscenely indulgent, maybe a bit like Los Angeles itself—feels like a small, rebellious act of pleasure.
Rosner has similarly insightful recommendations for New Orleans, San Francisco and Chicago in that article. At least I assume they’re insightful, going by the vivid descriptions and her inspiring homage to the humble ham sandwich.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I’m probably about to start one of those epic blog fights to rival the old Mac vs PC days but…
mayo on a ham sandwich on rye?
I don’t know if I consider myself a ‘foodie’, but, dammit, I love bread.
There was a TikTok from yesterday, and the way the poster drooled over a sandwich that he was dueting the video with..
When I tell you that I drooled just like the guy in the TikTok….
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Traveling out of Seattle in the morning, give yourself time to stop at Beecher’s to get an egg and cheese sandwich. Concourse C. (Beecher’s flagship store is in Pike Place Market. They make cheese.)
The author is spot-on re: the Central Grocery muffuletta – I’ve had them at several places in NOLA, including Cochon Butchers (where they cure their own meats in-house). The original is still the best (although I toast mine before eating, and Central will *not* toast it for you). I go in, order 2-3 of them, and hit the road; they last my brother and me 2 days between us. So much garlicky oil, and TONS of olive salad.
From 2022, eh? Sounds like you are as far behind with your “New Yorker” mags as I.
I re-subscribed during quarantine (remember that?) and have kept it up since. In fact, it’s time to renew. However, after and maybe even during quarantine, I found my ability to concentrate enough to read my “New Yorker”, “Harpers”, “The Baffler”, “Smithsonian” and “The Week” magazines falling off considerably. I am still having issues so as a result, I have an embarrassing backlog of magazines still to read. I did have the courage to discontinue the last two, but the others make a pretty intimidating stack in our house
ETA: Thick slices of fried ham on white with yellow mustard for me, please.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: That was my immediate reaction. MAYO, with HAM??
No. No, no, no, no, no. MUSTARD is the condiment for ham. Mustard offsets the sweetness and sliminess of ham. Mayo only enhances both, and that’s nasty.
Hard pass on ham when I have the choice not to eat it. Will choke down enough to appear polite when it’s served at someone else’s house.
The most epic (not the best though) sandwich I ever had was the pastrami sandwich from the old Carnagie Deli (now closed) in the theater district in NYC. You could feed a family of 4 with the thing there was so much meat piled on it.
I have a stranger story than a perfect Ham Sandwich at 30,000 feet.
Loma Linda Is a great hospital. But, it’s Loma Linda. 7th Day Adventist. Thus, no meats …
… unless you are admitted. Then, you can have meats. I had one if the tastiest salmon dinners in recent memory one night the 4 nights I was their guest. So, looking forward to the next admission in a way.
Their main cafeteria in their new Hospital is wonderful …. but vegetarian.
ETA: Mayo works for me. Maybe that’s why getting a date is so problematic.
When we have friends fly in from the east coast, they usually arrive at LAX around noon, we drive them a few exits north on 405 take a right, and in a few blocks we arrive at Pann’s (of Pulp Fiction restaurant fame) I urge them to order the chicken and waffles, they do and it starts their SoCal visit with a smile. Pann’s staff and customer base show them LA’s incredible diversity.
@brendancalling: I *love* ham sandwiches with a lot of mayo (as long as the ham is very thin). Mustard, too (of just about any variety), but lots of mayo
It is a testament to the sad state of gender relations in this country that I saw the title and assumed that there had been some moment of egregious misogyny in the news that I had missed, probably involving Hillary Clinton.
Topic: I have no objection to mayo on ham but actually prefer both mayo and mustard. But then, I will eat mayo out of the jar with a spoon, so I’m probably a bit weird. My biggest problem with the sandwich as described is all the lettuce. I cannot abide lettuce on a sandwich because somehow it manages to add a crunchy texture while also making everything taste soggy.
I rarely eat sandwiches anymore (I’m half-assing my way towards a Keto diet), but back in the day, I got a lot of side-eye at Subway by asking for
“Turkey, Meatball, mayo and Swiss” on a sub. Frequently, I had to slowly go through the process several times as if instructing someone over the phone on how to disarm a bomb. And I’m pretty sure they never rang it up the same way twice in a row.
A picture from the Carnegie worth a thousand taste buds.
The best thing I’ve had in a while is this super easy, one pot spaghetti and meat sauce.
My one suggestion is to use a bit more spaghetti noodles than he does if you accidentally go overboard with the extra water like I did
@rikyrah: Mustard on the ham side, mayo next to the lettuce 😊
Definitely, mayo. But it needs to be Hellman’s (ducks and runs).
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I had the sandwich special at a McMenamins a month or so ago. BBQ pork, jalapeños, onion rings, and some other food items.
Sudo have a great rest of the week Balloon Juice Jackals!
@rikyrah: Both. Specifically spicy brown mustard and some Swiss cheese.
Isn’t it traditionally spelled sammich (no “t”)?
I blame DeSantis. //
OMG, the Apple Pan on Pico! In the 90’s, my office was two blocks away, and I had lunch there regularly – as well as the nearby late great Junior’s Deli. I gained weight.
After three weeks eating rehydrated chicken and rice, pasta, and oatmeal on a mountain climbing trip, we hiked out to a small village and I had a sliced beef sandwich smothered with onions, tomatoes, and fresh shredded lettuce on a hoagie bun. Top. Ten. Meal. Of. A. Lifetime.
@Keith P.: This is the correct call.
@cope: Oh no, I love Smithsonian! It’s the only magazine we get because it makes for calm and interesting reading before lights out. I’ve been reading it consistently for over 40 years.
I’ll eat sliced ham, but not in a sandwich. The texture just isn’t right.
And any meat sammie needs both mustard and mayo. In fact, just about any sammie that isn’t sweet needs both mustard and mayo.
Except maybe classic New Jersey hoagies. I think the condiment combo for those is olive oil and mayo, no mustard. I could be wrong. I need to eat one to be sure. (Closest thing to a real NJ hoagie here in Seattle is, amazingly enough, a chain sandwich shop: Jersey Mike’s.)
I value mayo the way Faye Dunaway’s Joan Crawford valued wire hangers.
Still the most WTF sandwich has to be the peanut butter, jelly and lobster atrocity which is a specialty of the house at a place in Florida.
The best one-pot meal I’ve had recently is easy baked pasta. It turns out you don’t need to pre-cook dried pasta if you’re going to bake it. You just add enough water to the sauce to rehydrate the pasta. If you’re OK with a basic tomato sauce, you don’t even need to pre-cook the sauce; you can just layer in crushed tomatoes and some dried spices, and the sauce will cook as the pasta bakes. It’s incredibly easy and fast to prepare, though it still takes an hour or so to bake.
Another vote for toasted.
Isaly’s chipped chopped ham is “hammier”. Says so on the package.
Speaking of food-related things, “The Menu” is a very odd duck of a restaurant movie (HBO/Hulu) featuring the “Queen’s Gambit” gal and Voldemort. Takes a hard turn halfway through to become an entirely different film.
Kind of an inverse “The Bear.”
The Apple Pan does make a good smash burger, but I never really understood why people in LA make such a big deal about it. It’s very good but there are numerous places that do it just as well all over the greater Los Angeles area. I do love a good ham sandwich (with mustard preferably, but I’m ok with mayo too).
Mood: “If you’re a person who puts bullshit into the world, then fuck you. (Everyone else, howyadoin?)”
For me, ham is best used in sandwiches. With mayo and mustard and tomatoes…
That’s about how this one goes as well
@Keith P.: That is *the* muffaletta in NOLA.
But I agree with earlier comments about mayo on a ham sandwich, no. Dijon mustard.
Parents behind ‘Bree’s Law’ blocked by Dunleavy administration from adapting Alaska’s teen dating violence classes for nationwide use
(Alaska Republicans working hard to be just as hateful as their lower 48 brethren)
@Almost Retired: Junior’s was THE BEST!!! When I lived on the west side it was always my fave for a killer corned beef with slaw and Russian, and of course mazo ball soup. Greenblatz up in Hollywood was my other fave. Damn, this is making me hungry…
One of the most delicious sandwiches I’ve ever had came pre-made, and pre-wrapped, from a crappy little convenience store chain.
The thing that made it delicious was that I ate it while sitting on a rocky outcrop of a mountaintop after a four mile hike. Sometimes the circumstances make the meal.
Mayonnaise?!, she screamed. Though a good Cuban hero might use it to toast the bread; that’s not spread thickly, so the actual flavor comes from the mustard. Otherwise, no mayo on meat! Favorite sandwich from a deli: pastrami or corned beef on rye with plenty mustard, sliced very thin and not piled too high. No idea why some eat those two-inch-tall things, let alone how. At home, buttery grilled cheese, maybe with ham, maybe with kosher dill slices.
On the subject of grabbing a bite, Robyn Pennachia at wonkette takes apart a silly man who wrote a silly thing about baristas. Her article comes with a useful Italian lesson.
Is this person allowed to use the internet?
Six minutes under pressure cooking time for spaghetti with sauce in the Instant Pot. I like to put some frozen pre-cooked meatballs on top before affixing the lid, they heat up right along with the pasta and sauce.
In fact, made some yummy IP mac and cheese only yesterday (7 minutes). Folded in contents of a can of tuna when its was all done and — presto! — din-din.
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@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I gotta go with the British approach: bread, butter, cheese, ham. Yeah. That’s what I’m talkin about.
Best airport food I’ve run into anywhere is in Houston. Worst is Heathrow.
I had never heard of Duke’s mayonnaise until I moved to Florida. I tried it and liked it, but nowadays I usually use hummus (preferably w/ artichoke and spinach) in lieu of any type of mayo on sandwiches. Also a slice each of onion and tomato. Funny – people like my cooking, but never ask me to make them a sandwich…..
@trollhattan: I loved the idea of The Menu, but there was something about the delivery that just missed the mark, for me. It didn’t really have me laughing all that much. I think Glass Onion and White Lotus (Season 1) are much funnier and more effective at mocking the ridiculous, pretension of the 1%. And for really making the audience squirm, the Ruben Östlund films Force Majeure and The Square were better. I tell friends to check all of those out first and skip The Menu (as well as Triangle of Sadness) unless they are absolutely out of stuff to watch. The Menu was especially disappointing since both of the main characters are such good talents, generally. It made us chuckle a couple times, but not enough for two hours of watching.
Death Panel Truck
@Josie: Duke’s is the best by far.
@rikyrah: Don’t know about assembling it all into a sandwich —a bit leery of soggy bread— but prosciutto with fruits, e.g. also cantaloupe or honeydew, is great.
@kindness: I never had the pastrami at Carnegie’s, but I had the corned beef more than once — and for several meals in a row each time! I usually put mayo on everything (it’s part of the cracker code; I don’t make the rules!) but was afraid they’d throw me out if I asked for it. It was fine with just the mustard — a really good sandwich, and I was sad to read that such an iconic place closed.
Back in the day, the best Cuban sandwich in Tampa was at Howard Avenue Market. It was a hole-in-the-wall convenience store, but man did they make a stellar pressed Cuban! It was torn down when they built the Selmon Expressway. But there are still plenty of great places to get a Cuban sandwich in Tampa, thank dog!
@UncleEbeneezer: I could not get into season one of White Lotus, but I loved season two. I finished it in a few days. I read that season three will be shot at a resort in Thailand, the scenery should be gorgeous.
@Cameron: Kewpie mayonnaise is really good. I’m not big on mayo, generally, but even I notice the difference in taste:
This is interesting, because I have just concluded a months-long search for a good ham to have at home for sandwiches, wraps, snacking, etc. I tried a lot of different sources—I even went to the Honey Baked Ham store and bought a package of slices there—and the winner surprised me. It was Primo Taglio “off the bone” ham from the deli of my substandard Safeway a couple of miles away. (“Substandard” because it’s an old, small, slightly seedy store that makes up for all of that with convenience.) Go figure. Hits the right notes of taste and saltiness level.
I presume Primo Taglio is their house brand. Haven’t seen it anywhere else. I wonder if it’s the same as Dietz & Watson, because they have an “off the bone” ham too. Haven’t checked on that yet.
Now I can get back to the search for a good pastrami sandwich. The deli I used to go to suddenly started making them very thin, like “two slices of baloney” thin. Whut? Nuh-uh. A pastrami sandwich should always be monstrously thick.
@NotMax: But there’s at least two inches of meat there with no idea that it’s part of a sandwich. “Mustard? What it that?”
@eclare: I enjoyed both seasons. Preferred S1 slightly because there’s only so much creepy, old-man scenarios I can take (which was such a big part of S2). Thailand should be a fun setting. We were just watching travel videos of a couple in Thailand. Looks amazing but there’s just so many tourists everywhere and so many of the hot spots are big college party scene places. We would definitely want to avoid that if we ever go there.
If you like crime/suspense series’, The Serpent on Netflix was pretty good and was shot in Thailand:
@Cameron: My sister and I spar about this all the time. She’s a Duke’s gal, whereas I am firmly on Team Hellmann’s! Duke’s has a vinegary undertone that I don’t care for. I’ll admit I am weird about vinegar though. I love vinaigrette and other condiments and foods prepared with vinegar, but I loathe pickles because they’re too vinegary, and when my husband douses French fries with vinegar, I can’t even watch — so gross!
@The Moar You Know: Yes, in recent years I’ve taken up butter instead of mayonnaise or mustard for sandwiches, obviously not peanut butter and jelly, but most everything else.
@prostratedragon: Believing that lowering wages will get you better service is, well, that’s an interesting line of reasoning of the type I suppose I should expect from the New York Post.
Hellman’s in the east is Best Foods in the west.
Why they continue to use different branding for the same thing depending on geography remains mysterious.
Whenever I see someone share a homemade mayo recipe I feel instant pity for them that Duke’s is not available in their area and they have to make their own.
@Betty Cracker: Since this is an OT, I’ve been meaning to ask you what the media says about DeSantis and his fascist policies? Do they write editorials against him or do they approve of what he is doing?
@UncleEbeneezer: Found it interesting and somewhat engaging, especially the restaurant staff. Bit of an extension of ’80s films revolving around food and restaurants: “Babette’s Feast”; “The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover”; and the hilarious “Eating Raoul” mixed in with the movie about cults of your choice.
Never has a cheeseburger been more important.
@UncleEbeneezer: I watched the first couple of episodes because I like true crime, but the constant time jumping confused me. Maybe I’ll give it another look.
@kindness: “If you can finish your meal, we’ve done something wrong.”
@UncleEbeneezer: I’ve heard of it, but never tried it. Wonder if I can run it down somewhere around here. Whole Foods? Asian grocers? Will take a look.
@UncleEbeneezer: Am suddenly pondering the combination of Kewpie on Bimbo bread, just for the naming combo.
Costco (at least the one here) carries it.
@Betty Cracker: I’m big on pickled beets and pickled okra, but regular old pickled cucumbers don’t do much for me. (Many years ago, my late parents sent me a case of pickled okra, which had printed on the box ‘XXXX Okra – They’re happy ’cause they’re pickled.’ As this reflected my own state at the time, I was delighted.)
I don’t mind malt vinegar on fries (that’s the way Brits eat them, don’t they?), but much prefer vinegar on raw fruits and vegetables.
This fucking country is irredeemably racist. This is fucking outrageous!
@Cameron: Only place I know locally is our Japanese market, but grocery stores emphasizing imported foods might. Perhaps Cost Plus or Trader Joe’s?
@NotMax: Thanks – I don’t live near a Costco, but have a friend who does. I’ll ask her to take a look.
@trollhattan: Thanks. I think there’s a Trader Joe’s not too far from me.
twbrandt (formerly tom)
@Jerry: Lagerstrom is one my fave youtube cooks. I got a kick out of the pushback he got on the recipe: “it’s not authentic!” “my gran would NEVER break the spaghetti noodles”. So what? He didn’t claim it was authentic, he said it was quick and good. Which it is.
Lots of companies do the same thing. The classic example is with supermarkets, which have consolidated nationally but keep their regional brands. You also have the same thing with, e.g. Hardees and Carl’s Jr.
@Renie: The major local dailies I read (Miami Herald, Tampa Bay Times, Orlando Sentinel) have done a pretty good job of exposing the culture war bullshit and corruption. Editorials frequently denounce Pudd’n Boots for his cruel policies and stupid posturing. Here’s a sample from this weekend’s Sentinel (paywalled, I think) editorial on the recently signed six-week abortion ban:
Mind you, the Sentinel used to be considered a conservative paper, but they’re fed up!
Small local papers, where they exist, are a mixed bag. The paper in my county is totally in the bag for Repubs.
@eclare: Oh right…I forgot about that. Yes, we got really confused too . It’s not a GREAT true-crime series, but definitely a good one. We mostly liked it for the SE Asia scenery and the retro style. But there are much better true-crime series’ out there like The Investigation (Swedish), The Staircase (US) and The Murders At White House Farm (Brittish). All three of those were way better, all-around.
@Cameron: You can get it from Amazon if there’s no Asian markets near you. And it’s stored warm (before opening) so I don’t think there’s any risk of it going bad in transit.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Only if it’s Dukes mayo.
@Death Panel Truck: This is the right answer.
Hellmans/Best Foods is my mayo.
I’ve tried a few others, including “organic,” “made with avocado oil,” and they all seem to have a fishy undertaste that is, for me, very off-putting. Back to Best Foods!
The only exception is I once had mayo blended with truffle oil. That was scrumptious.
@UncleEbeneezer: Thanks. Was going to order some stuff next month anyway; could also mean it’s carried at Whole Foods, which is very convenient for me (next door to the downtown Sarasota bus stop).
The Moar You Know
@Ohio Mom: but but but but…peanut butter AND butter AND jelly is just so damn good!
Well, that’s fine and good but if he doesn’t eat a burger and a banana cream tres leche pie at Cassell’s that’s his loss.
Kewpie is the way to go. Otherwise Hellman’s.
There is no such thing, hoagies are Philadelphian in origin, the name comes from the shipyards on Hog Island in the Philadelphia Navy Yard.
@The Moar You Know:
@eclare: You’re welcome. Those three I mentioned were all VERY hard to stop watching. The Investigation and The Staircase are both such unbelievable stories that they really feel like they must be fiction, even though they are both true stories. Acting is superb too, in all three.
James E Powell
I’m was a regular at the Apple Pan when I used to live right near there. The regular stops were there, Junior’s Deli, and Norm’s. The latter two have closed. I still make it a point to stop there when I am back in the city for any length of time.
It isn’t just the great burgers & fries. It’s the atmosphere. It’s a place that time forgot. I mean, look at the building. Check the photos in this LA Times article.
China, Missouri, and our precious farmland.
The internal ideological struggle within the Missouri gop prompts one to pop some popcorn, sit back, and watch the show.
The short version: the right wingnut republican controlled Missouri General Assembly passes legislation allowing foreign ownership of agricultural land, right wingnut republican Governor Hee-Haw (Mike Parson) signs the bill into law, Chinese owned corporation buys land, right wingnut former Kansas City Faux News Network affiliate morning show newsreader (Mark Alford) wins republican nomination in crowded 4th Congressional district primary with the help of an independent PAC dumping “Chinese farmland ownership voter” mail attacking one of his leading opponents who is a right wingnut (seriously) member of the General Assembly who voted to approve said bill, Alford wins the primary and the general election, Chinese spy balloon flies over the U.S. and, apparently, Whiteman AFB – home of the B-2 – in the district.
Hence, the apparent belief among the republican voter base is that the feed corn crop on Chinese corporation owned farmland in proximity to the military base somehow is a threat to operations at the base, or something.
Mark Alford (r) and Josh Hawley (r) spend their time flogging Chinese corporate ownership of Missouri farmland. Squirrel!
Yeah, you might want to ask Eric Schmitt (r) about that
Pass the popcorn.
@UncleEbeneezer: Most mayo is stored warm as it’s packaged aseptically. Once opened, you need to refrigerate because opening to air allows bacteria to the party. Although depending on how much vinegar is present, the pH may be low enough to further stave off spoilage.
@Cameron: If you’re around Chicago, check Costco or Meijer. They at least carry it, whether they’ve got it now or not. And of course Asian markets.
@The Moar You Know: Indeed, toast liberally buttered then smeared with PB&J. Heaven.
Hoagies may have originated in Philly, but reached their apotheosis at The White House in Atlantic City. I judge all hoagies by how close they come to the White House. (Frank Sinatra used to have them flown to him in Vegas by the dozens.)
Josh’s, also in Atlantic City, was a close second.
Trader Joe’s doesn’t carry Kewpie. Japanese supermarkets do as does Amazon.
I’m in the mayo contingent. Because ham is salty. That’s why I very seldom eat ham any more; I love it but I don’t like my ankles ballooning due to water retention.
And change of subject/open thread – is anyone else watching the CNN documentary series about Heaven’s Gate? I’m finding it weirdly fascinating. I remember the headlines, mass suicide and the UFO behind the Hale-Bopp comet, but didn’t know a whole lot about it. Well, there was a detail in last night’s episode that just gobsmacked me. The cult had been around since the ’70s, so was already pretty well established when Next Generation premiered, but they really got into it. They found in it a model for what they were trying to accomplish. I was thinking, yeah, I can see wanting to join that starship if you believed it was behind the comet – rational, humane, scientific, tolerant… But no. What they find to admire and try to emulate was – the BORG! Can you imagine the TNG production writing those episodes, designing the sets and the costumes, etc, and thinking ‘someone is going to want to be just like this’?
@The Moar You Know: Really? Maybe I’ll give that a try, you seem pretty passionate about this combo. I can imagine the butter cuts the stickiness of the peanut butter. Does seem like piling on the calories however.
@prostratedragon: Thanks. Chicago, alas, is suboptimal – it’s a pretty long haul from Bradenton.
I live in an Urban Area. If I’m not expecting you, I don’t open my door. I yell. I don’t know you. I am calling the police.
This was attempted murder.
@Ohio Mom: I love the combo, but, yes, calories and plenty of saturated fats to get them blood vessels jammin’
Relatedly, just today, DeSantis said he is going to send state inspectors in to ‘inspect’ the rides at Disney, and oh, hey, all this land around Disney would look great with, hmm, maybe a prison on it.
@HumboldtBlue: This is the boy.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
I heard (I think on the radio, or maybe I read it on the internets) that the average US sandwich averaged about 380 calories in the 1980s and is not upwards of 800 calories. Which, I didn’t intend this to be a buzz kill.
Best pastrami sandwich I’ve had is the pastrami Reuben at Zingermann’s deli in Ann Arbor. I haven’t had one at any of the classic NYC delis though. DC doesn’t have much in the way of good sandwich places or at least if it does I haven’t heard of them. I’ve been to Bub and Pop’s which has a good reputation and the sandwich I got there was pretty good but not anything approaching best in class. I’ve heard a place called Mangialardo’s in Southeast is good but have not had the chance to give it a try yet. If anyone has recs for DC area sandwich places – either MoCo or DC, I’d love to hear them. I don’t get into NoVa hardly ever anymore but might have opportunities at some point to make use of recs for there too.
Does anybody have more info on those national-security arrests that were supposed to come down in NY at 1:00? I just took a quick look at a couple news sites and didn’t see anything.
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@rikyrah: nazi shooter guy is going to have a real problem dodging whatever minimal charges get thrown at him – and because of the publicity, they may not be so minimal – because after seeing a black figure through his glass door and putting one in his head, he then went outside and shot the kid in the back.
Hope he has a good lawyer so he can’t appeal. Because his lousy ass is going to jail.
Realizing I risk being pied, I will put in a word for Miracle Whip. Not for sandwiches; but it is essential for my mother’s potato salad recipe.
@Cameron: Looks like Chinese agents acting against dissidents. https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/17/politics/fbi-chinese-agents/index.html
Apparently it had to do with Chinese nationals, a Chinese ‘police station’ running surveillance and harassment operations on Chinese nationals in the US, something like that.
Damn right it was.
@Bostondreams: I just saw that clip on CNN. He sounds like a petulant immature mini Trump.
Actually prefer the deli-style mayo (Wilsey’s) Costco carries over Best Foods/Hellman’s. Thicker and creamier. But they sell it only in a gallon container; no place to put the darn thing in my fridge.
@The Moar You Know: If we are talking PB and J, let me suggest PB and M. Manuka Honey is some seriously good stuff. A little pricey but its great.
@Cameron: Nada. I’ve been waiting, too🤷🏼♀️
The Moar You Know
@Bostondreams: the parks are 28% of Disney’s revenue. They could just pull up and leave but it would hurt them badly.
If it were my company I would not hesitate, I’d shut it down this week. Never pay ransom. But it’s not my company and more importantly, it’s not Iger’s either. It belongs to the shareholders and they won’t stand for that.
@UncleEbeneezer: I feel like all your film/TV recs should carry a small print warning:
Kidding! (Sort of… ;-)
Coming to this thread a little late, but:
@The Moar You Know:
I agree with you , I’d shut it down.
I got some Maille honey Dijon mustard at Amazon that is a nice change of pace.
@The Moar You Know: Earlier today, I read an account of DeSantis’s latest boast about how he’s going to make Disney pay for their defiance, and it mostly sounds like empty threats to me, but we’ll see.
For one thing, he went on about how wobbly the Disney board’s legal authority to make the changes was. I’m not a lawyer, but Big Mouse seems to have its Donald Ducks in a row most of the time, whereas DeSantis signs such poorly written legislation that FL taxpayers are on the hook for untold millions for legal defense (conveniently funneled to DeSantis cronies).
I have no idea how this will all shake out. People keep saying Disney has the best lawyering, so they’ll definitely win. Maybe. I sure want them to smack down that fascist prick. But maybe they’re mostly good at shaking down home daycare centers who have run afoul of trademarks.
@Steeplejack: Sounds good! I usually make my own.
@Betty Cracker: Fine by me!! I also couldn’t get through 5 minutes of Schitts Creek. And I started Mindhunter last night and feel like it is Meh-At-Best, even though it is totally in my wheelhouse. Much like Peaky Blinders, The Alienist, and to some extent, Perry Mason (though we are sticking with that one, mostly for the LA scenery).
I was actually going to give The Good Place another try, the other night, but it’s not currently on any of the streaming services we have and I don’t feel like paying for it. At some point I will check it out again based on so many people loving it.
@eclare: I think Disney should stay open and stand its ground. That’s not paying ransom. Disney has a strong position, and Republicans are gonna hurt themselves more than they hurt Disney.
@The Moar You Know:
My question is the thick-cut lettuce. What is thick-cut lettuce?
@Death Panel Truck: I’ve never heard of Duke’s which is weird b/c Wiki says it’s a Southern thing. Hellman’s for me. I’m convinced that most people who denigrate mayonnaise have only had Kraft (or even worse, Kraft sandwich spread).
Predicted just this some time earlier.
“Mayo on everything.” Vivian Howard of A Chef’s Life (good show on PBS) once said that “mayonnaise is the mother sauce of Southern cuisine.” Funny but true.
@Dangerman: Whew! For a paralyzing moment I thought M was going to be mayo. I can see honey working. Growing up, we sometimes stirred in a bit of Alaga syrup with the PB.
Yay for team us!
On the topic of sandwiches, the best hot sandwich I’ve had recently is the Reuben at Wexler’s Deli. The Reuben is by far my favorite hot sandwich, but it’s very difficult to get right. Very few places can get the perfect balance between the ingredients. There needs to be enough sauerkraut to balance the meat and cheese, and it’s very easy to get either too much or (more often) too little. Wexler’s gets it right.
They also seem to have mastered the dark art of grilling the sandwich perfectly. One of the huge problems with Reubens almost everywhere is heating the filling releases enough steam to turn the bread soggy in the amount of time it takes the sandwich to get to you. Wexler’s somehow avoids this problem. I don’t know if they’re cooking the fillings separately so they release the steam before getting put into the sandwich or if they’re just using enough fat when grilling the sandwich to completely waterproof the bread, but theirs just doesn’t get soggy. I was able to walk several blocks from the deli to a nearby park to eat it, and it was still grilled to perfection.
My most favorite sandwich, from a restaurant that is no more:
The Hot Vegetarian
Hearty grain bread, lightly toasted
Slather with homemade hummus w lots of garlic
Top with muenster cheese and broil till bubbly
Top with lettuce, tomato, sliced cucumber and sprouts of your choice.
Another slice of lightly toasted bread on top or eat open faced.
Mmm…served with fresh, homemade chips. Food memories are some of my favorites.
@UncleEbeneezer: I have zero room to talk — everyone loves The Wire, including people whose opinions on TV and film had never steered me wrong before, and after trying to get into it several times, I gave up. Not even the fabulous Edris Elba and Dominic West could make me enjoy that show! Sometimes a show just doesn’t click for whatever reason. Sort of like sandwich preferences!
@Betty Cracker: I have no idea how good Disney’s attorneys (Perry Mouseon?) are, but I’m sure they know who they’re dealing with. He hasn’t been shy with the fascist temper tantrums and legally dodgy payback aimed at those who offend him.
@The Moar You Know: Maybe Disney can cut a deal with DeSantis and open Deadman Wonderland.
@prostratedragon: I’ve been drizzling a little honey-maple syrup blend on my peanut butter sandwiches. I get it from the great big store in Ruckersville.
I also put butter on the sandwich bread, but I am trying to keep my weight up. Also, I think that butter is a healthy and nutritious food.
You can get Kewpie mayonnaise from Amazon.
Huey, Dewey & Mousekowitz, a legal LLC.
@cope: Agree with every word – except “The Baffler” (two words), of which* I’ve never heard.
*(“Pedantry, up with which I will not put.”)
Day old bread can help keep it firm when it’s heated, but it doesn’t keep it from getting soggy. I’m pretty sure their trick is twofold: grilling for longer (it’s noticeably darker than most Reubens) and using a lot of fat.
Ha! That’s pathetic. Release the
@UncleEbeneezer: We started watching The Good Place (it’s on Netflix) and have been really enjoying it. Schitt’s Creek was one that we watched one episode and noped out of, but then I went back a year or so later and watched a few episodes in a row and ended up loving the thing. It’s quirky for sure. :)
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
What an amazing idea. I usually have my PB with bananas. Buy why not all the above?
I reciprocated last night as someone professed their love for simple tomato and mayo sandwiches.
A young man from Ohio was offended to be in there with “a couple vegetarians.” I explained I do eat meat, but that doesn’t prevent me from enjoying a meatless meal.
Still have sandwiches like that locally at Shapiro’s Deli with all the usual suspects: pastrami, corned beef, etc etc. Personal fave being the brisket on rye with mustard, which is about three inches thick. It’s also $18.45 now, which is why I don’t get to Shapiro’s too often.
@The Moar You Know: No. Leave it open and give DeSantis the “special backstage tour” of the Small World ride. He doesn’t have the strength of mind of Jim Gordon in “The Killing Joke”, so it should take only a couple of hours marinating in “It’s a Small World” to reduce his brain to mush.
@JoyceH: Shortly after that cult suicide, my astronomy club set up telescopes in a local park so the public could look at the comet (and other stars and planets). A (roughly) 10 yo girl looked through my telescope and asked me if there was a spaceship up there. I explained that comets are mostly big, dirty snowballs and there was no spaceship hidden inside. She took one last look then said “I’m going to go look through a better telescope!”
Via reddit, interesting video, although he doesn’t name names.
@prostratedragon: I think Peanut Butter and Mayo would cause a … let’s just call it a highly unfortunate reaction.
I don’t have anything against mayo, and I don’t have a preferred brand; I don’t even have any in my home, because I use it so rarely. I’d probably put both mayo and mustard on a ham sammich . . . but a hard no to iceberg lettuce. It does NOT agree with me (or my mother), and I avoid it like the plague. I’ll take all of the cheese, though preferably something other than Swiss
ETA: Also, cucumbers and I don’t get along, even in pickled form.
@Baud: I’m sure that will endear the strutting fascist bully to families who’ve planned a Disney vacation for months and waited in long lines to get on rides that are shut down for no good reason. Seriously, I’m starting to think Trump is the smart one!
Nonononono Mayo with ham. Mustard is always the right choice. If you have to do something like Mayo, then go with a little butter.
Can we talk good mustard? I’m a fan of Raye’s in Eastport, Maine – the last stone ground mustard in North America. If you haven’t tried it, go get some.
With all this talk of food I just had to go make my favorite butter, peanut butter and jelly on toasted white bread. Yum! I really want a reuben, too.
Disney is known for their absolutely ruthless lawyering and their fierce protection of any Disney trademark, copyright or intellectual property.
I know one Disney lawyer quite well. He had ELEVEN interviews before he was offered the job, each moving progressively higher into the C-Suite.
They have the most brilliant, vetted and experienced lawyers. Even prestigious white shoe law firms slowly back away when they see Disney coming.
DeSantis is a fool to think he can go up against Disney, even with the weight of Florida’s government behind him. Tick tock Ron.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Cameron: I’ve been trying to find any report on that too. News like this used to be easy to find on twitter, but no more.
@The Moar You Know:
The first line of defense for Disney is just to throw hundreds of lawyers into fighting whatever DeSantis tries to do. It will certainly tie him up for a couple of years, by which time his Presidential dreams will hopefully have turned into a nestful of mouse turds in his mouth.
But if I were Disney, I’d be looking for cheap land in southern Georgia. It would be expensive as hell to dismantle everything in Disney World and rebuild it elsewhere, but the more people think the jobs and tourists might go away, the less power DeSantis has.
The Hat does a good pastrami in L.A.
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
We had a backyard hang yesterday- spouse smoked St Louis style ribs and grilled chicken wings- all manner of sides plus deviled eggs with best foods and Coleman’s dry mustard and a friend brought his smoked and thin sliced pastrami. The sammiches were rye and sour dough, some added sauerkraut and others didn’t, same with mayo and cream style horseradish, but the bfd was mustard; French’s, Phillipe’s and the hands down winner was Trader Joe’s dijon. Hard to believe that rain is coming this evening after yesterday’s low 70’s and slight breeze. Spouse hid a tidbit of the pastrami and just made a wee sammich. There were no other left overs. None at all.
I couldn’t make it through an episode of Schitt’s Creek, but I’ve watched The Good Place through twice and plan to watch it again soon.
But TV and movie recommendations are chancy, and some people who like almost all the same stuff can find spots where it just doesn’t work. I think Zoolander is hilarious, but one of my sisters, who usually likes everything I like, couldn’t watch it past twenty minutes – it was ‘too stupid’. I know it’s stupid, but it’s a funny stupid! And then when I visited my other sister, she said I HAD to see Napoleon Dynamite. I watched the whole thing because she and her husband were cracking up all through it, but I was just kinda ‘…huh?’
It’s all well and good when you thrust your foul hand into an innocent plastic cup and wrench out its precious pudding. Now dare to try that sort of thing with Big Mouse……..
Not in the least!
@PJ: Disney will be in Florida long after DeSantis becomes another washed up politician.
Johnnie’s Beef (Elmwood Park and Arlington Heights, Chicago suburbs) has the best Italian beef sandwiches around. Order with hot and sweet peppers and have them dip it – Paradise!!!
If light quirky satire tickles your fancy, might want to take a peek at Trial & Error, currently streaming on Prime. Also too, Little Mosque on the Prairie, Corner Gas (the live action version) and Dead Like Me.
Press conference on Jayland Walker grand jury at 3:30. Strong rumor that it is no bill, which does not surprise me.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Baud: That’s it? That’s not very exciting.
@PJ: A while back he was huffing and puffing at the cruise lines because they wanted passengers to have vaccine passports. One of their execs pointed out to him that there were a number of Southern ports outside of Florida that would welcome them. I never heard anything more from him about that.
That’s underestimating the case by a factor of, I don’t know, maybe 500%? I mean: “expensive as hell” doesn’t do the project justice.
It’s not just the rides, shops, restaurants, exhibits, resorts, exhibition halls, “Country” plazas, and theaters.
Disney World has an entire county’s worth – maybe an entire country’s worth – of plumbing, electrical, sewage, and network infrastructure. Plus the famous underground tunnels the employees use to get around the park, and the infrastructure for that.
The mind boggles at what it would take to move Disney World to another location. It would be the biggest project ever undertaken by anyone, anywhere.
Also too, Laid (Prime and Tubi).
@eclare: I agree with you and Keith P. Mrs. steppy and I have taken a Central Grocery muffaletta aboard a flight from New Orleans to Philadelphia. I am sorry, not sorry to mention that the sammich, dripping with oil and olive salad, reeked of garlic and stunk up the entire cabin. It was horribly rude but also glorious.
@laura: That sounds delish!
@Citizen Alan: I prefer Kraft over Hellman’s and Duke’s mayo. Just goes to show sometimes that one likes best what one ate in one’s childhood. Of the others, I prefer Hellman’s over Duke’s, although what’s on sale or on BOGO usually carries the day. $7 to $8 for a jar of mayo is just offensive to me. Maybe the scarcity and expense of eggs (thanks to the Avian Flu) are to blame, but, sheesh….
@dww44: I am a Hellmann’s fan from way back, but (heresy alert) I found recently that Aldi (Burman’s) mayo is a surprisingly good alternative, and of course, quite a bit less expensive.
Making it all the more impressive when the entire resort complex lurches upward on mechanical legs, and starts marching north to its new location.
@CaseyL: Assuming they acquired the land and broke ground today, it would be a decade or more to do anything near what they have now.
Much easier and cheaper to just buy their own Florida government. There’s precedent!
Gin & Tonic
@Steeplejack: Mayonnaise is an absolute *necessity* in Ukraine. They put it on/in nearly everything.
@The Moar You Know: Yeah, Disney’s not leaving. But if DeSantis were to wreck it as a tourist destination by making people feel unsafe or just grossed out, that’d hurt Florida. Maybe not as much as it would have when Disney was almost the whole Central Florida tourism game, but it’d be a blow.
Anyway, I would guess that Disney sees DeSantis as a temporary nuisance and not as a harbinger of permanent fascist rule or at least of rule that is inconvenient to them. We’ll see if they are right.
@NotMax: Thanks for the recommendations!
@Bostondreams: Wonder if Disney could refuse to let them on their property. That would be funny
Or they could say the hell with it and sell it lock, stock and teacups to Musk, secure in the knowledge that within six months tumbleweeds would be skipping down a potholed, deserted Main Street.
Oh man. That’s a lotta ham. YUMM-O!
@Renie: Disney is actually fine working with authoritarian regimes, obviously given their worldwide business. A difference here is that American authoritarianism is obnoxious to their creative staff.
@Renie: Confess I don’t like the optics – evening news has a line of Mickey, Goofy and the Seven Dwarfs, clad in body armor and packing AR-15s, facing a crew of FHP officers. Stand your ground and all that shit.
Fear not, Carnegie Pastrami lives on at Harold’s Deli, http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/
Harold worked at Carnegie’s.
I think it practice they wouldn’t actually move very much. It would be about as cheap to build everything from scratch, and that way it would all be new, to boot. They could also fix all the minor problems with everything that they’re annoyed by but wouldn’t want to perform a major overhaul to fix.
@Geminid: Disneyworld (the Florida property) is 50, Disney Studios is 100 years old. DeRon is 44, term limited, and is not associated with any sort of political dynasty.
Disney’s lawyers will push complaints and suits into federal court where they can (some of the prepared public statements with Iger’s return hints at that).
The longer term issue for Disney (or pretty much any national corp) in Florida is how deeply the aggressively stupid and dangerous gets entrenched and on constant public display.
@Betty Cracker: Oh, man, mayonnaise on corned beef or pastrami in a Jewish deli is giving me a headache even to think about. Sacrilege!
No, they couldn’t. Or they could, but it would give DeSantis justification to shut down everything. The state has, and absolutely should have, the right to perform safety inspections of all the rides. If they decide they need to perform safety inspections more often than specified by law, or if they try to shut stuff down for vague and insufficient reasons, the lawsuits will shower down like Florida rain.
@ARoomWithAMoose: Yeah, if they can deal with Xi Jinping they can shrug off DeSantis. But if people start to feel unsafe on Disney property that is a bigger problem.
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Did they promise excitement?
@steppy: I ate lunch while perusing this tread and I am still hungry. CG muffalletas are huge (muffalotta?), about the size of a Frisby. Can easily feed 4. Local grocery down the street sells them, and also CG’s olive salad in big jars.
@Roger Moore: Yeah, if anything Disney has had too free a hand with that in the past. But if it’s obviously harassment the lawyers will have some fun.
Ay yi yi, those prices! 12 bucks for a hot dog with kraut?
(Makes a beeline for the nearest fainting couch.)
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I’ve eaten at the Apple Pan, a long time ago. If I lived within reasonable distance, I’d eat there again. Decades ago when I lived in that area there were a few places that eating was, well, heaven. Nothing gourmet, high brow, these were/are coffee shop type places, like this one that rival any place on earth for a satisfying meal. I’ve traveled a lot in Europe, and the US and west LA has some world class eateries. They don’t have waiters in tuxes and bills that rival the national debt but they are extremely good places to eat. They were 5 decades ago and they likely still are, even if they aren’t the same places. Competition can do that, make most everyone better. And they are NOTHING like fast food. They exist to make you feel guilty about eating, because noting should be, taste that good and not bad for you.
@Betty Cracker: It took us two tries on The Wire but once we got thru the first episode we were hooked. I’ve definitely gotten to the point that I don’t really judge people by their taste. And I’ve found it’s so unpredictable. Things that I assume certain friends would love, and they end up hating them and vice versa. Oh well (shrug emoji)
@Betty Cracker: What a dingus! :)
Mayo works for me. Maybe that’s why getting a date is so problematic.
You may have just solved the concept of dating. If only we’d known it was so damn simple in the first place.
@JoyceH: Exactly! And some stuff that I should love/hate on paper, I have the complete opposite reaction than I would expect for myself. There really is no accounting for taste. So when I read others’ opinions on stuff I usually take them with a big grain of salt. Of course I may silently judge them for it, but I figure we are all doing that and as long as we aren’t insulting people over it, it’s all good.
@JoyceH: Haven’t watched the CNN documentary, but there was one that was pretty good on one of the streaming services not too long ago. It was good but not must-see. Such a bizarre story and weird dude. I do love a good cult documentary. Wild, Wild Country on Netflix, is probably the best one I’ve seen so far.
That’s more meat than all the sandwiches made in one day on the ship I served on for 2 yrs. Once we were told the dinner of the day was 2 grilled meat and cheese sandwiches. (We’d been out to sea for weeks, not enough restocking of food.) And then I was in the first 10 or so in line (and no it wasn’t hogging or anything other than luck. And not much of that, read on) and I got one grilled cheese sandwich. This is the US military so the cheese is not that expensive stuff one actually likes, this is cheap yellow glop. We almost had an actual mutiny – by some of the lifers!
I’ve eaten at a Jersey Mike’s and it isn’t bad.
West LA has better though. A number of better.
Since we are talking condiments, Trader Joe’s Carolina Gold BBQ sauce makes some really killer ribs! It’s sweet with just a hint of mustard.
My fave sandwich is a pork Banh Mi with extra veggies. Luckily there is a spot that makes tasty ones and great coffee 2 blocks away from my building!
@Steeplejack: Someone here on the blog recommended Matt’s Mom’s Mustard. I finally decided to order it and try.
I do believe the heavens opened up and the Hozannas were heard when I took the first bite.
I didn’t say they should do it, but they could at least make people think they might actually do it. In the long run, they can outlast DeSantis himself, but given the rightward tilt of Florida, they may have to deal with more like him down the line.
As it’s not yet a dead thread, I’ll take and eat the same sandwich for lunch, month after month.
Years ago, it was thin sliced deli Black Forest Ham, (Santa Barbera Market), half an inch thick, a LaBaugette et Echallote croissant, with butter, Yellow Mustard, Swiss Cheese and Alfalfa sprouts. Assembly was bottom of croissant, butter, ham, mustard, cheese, sprouts. butter, top.
Later, it was Winnipeg Light Rye, butter, Black Forest Ham*, yellow mustard, old sharp cheddar, Romaine**, butter, Light Rye***.
*good deli Black Forest Ham, requires a major trip now, but a good brand, actually smoked, “wet pack” formed Black Forest Ham, dried out, (baked at 100f in the oven) slices and tastes the same.
**Romaine was swapped out for spinach, same crunch, less moisture.
***they started putting too much Caroway into the local Store baked Rye, so we switched to a local baked, fermented, 4 ingredient, “Country Bread”, (whole wheat, assorted seeds).
Sister Golden Bear
@UncleEbeneezer: Tradition. Much like Tito’s Tacos in Culver City. Which is just as much Old School in its own way.
I think they were 2 companies in the long ago and merged/one got bought out. Could be wrong. But having lived on both sides of this continent I and attest that they are the same. I used to like Miracle Whip but Best Foods/Hellman’s is now my fav.
Sister Golden Bear
Even Satan himself breaks down into blubbering fetal position when he sees Disney’s lawyers coming.
For a treat, blueberry bagels with very little butter and Laura Scudder’s peanut butter. Yummy.
And the cops sent the guy home. Don’t know if that has changed.
My thought is would he have shot the Avon lady or a white kid? Somehow I’m doubting it.
@NotMax: Just saw one about that price at 5 Guys (shakes fist at Betty Cracker). Makes 8 bucks for a 4-pack of Vienna jumbos look good. (I’m getting a burger.)
For good food in an airport, Louis Pappas on Airside C in Tampa International Airport makes the best gyro I’ve ever had. And I’ve gotten gyros there several times now, so it isn’t a fluke.
Most gyro places drench the lamb in tzatziki sauce (and probably need to), but Louis Pappas’ gyro just needs a little bit of it because the lamb itself is mouth-watering.
Their website says they’ve got several locations in central Florida: two in Tampa, plus Clearwater, Bradenton, Lakeland, and New Port Richey, so if you’re in central Florida, you don’t have to go to the airport to have one of their gyros.
Other recommendations for the greater Tampa area and central Florida:
Jimmy Hula’s has the most amazing tacos I’ve ever eaten. Just thinking about them makes me wish they had a location here in southern Maryland, but at least for now, they’re strictly central Florida. If I were rich, I’d hop a plane down there right now just for their tacos. Mmmm, the Baja, the Voodoo, the Big Island, the Kingston, the Luau…oh my god. I want one of each, right now.
Locations: Brandon and Clearwater Beach in the Tampa area; multiple locations near Orlando; one in Jacksonville, and a few along the Atlantic coast between St. Augustine and New Smyrna Beach.
Duffy’s Tavern in Holmes Beach on Anna Maria Island has the only burger I’ve ever had that I like better than the burgers I grill myself. Their Brie and Caramelized Onion Burger, specifically. Awesome.
And I’m not experienced enough to argue over who’s got the best Cuban sandwich, but we’ve always stopped at La Segunda Bakery in Ybor City, which is right off I-4 at the 21st/22nd Street exit. In addition to a very good Cuban sandwich, they have these wonderful guava pastries. I’d say “the best guava pastries I’ve ever had,” except that this is the only place I’ve ever gotten them from. If there’s anywhere in the DC area that has a clue about guavas, I haven’t heard of them.
(The DC area has wonderful restaurants featuring cuisine from all over the world, but regional cuisine from around the U.S. doesn’t seem to be one of the area’s strengths. Can I get a decent plate of crawfish étouffée without getting on a plane to New Orleans? Apparently not, dammit.)
to further reduce his brain to mush.
Updated that for you
@Ken: YES!!! My mother made the best potato salad and deviled eggs and was Team Miracle Whip all the way!
@Ruckus: I don’t know, in these our times …
Seriously, I’m starting to think Trump is the smart one!
He may be. But you are measuring up from zero so a 2 (SFB) is twice as smart as a 1 (your governor, well sort of a governor) – and a normal is 100. So yes, maybe smarter, but not smart. In the least. I mean they can seemingly both breathe on their own.
@lowtechcyclist: You can’t go wrong with La Segunda! They’ve got a new outpost on Kennedy towards Westshore now too, which is probably more convenient if you’re heading to the airport. They sell sandwiches and pastries, including guava, but they sometimes run out of loaves to sell, which is a bummer.
Also, I think you were around in an earlier thread where this came up, but there’s a place in Centro Ybor called Asiatic Street Food & Noodle Bar that makes panang curry that’s to die for!
I was, not very successfully of course, being snarky.
Maybe the wrong subject to be snarky about.
We were a Miracle Whip house and I just changed over to BF 2-3 yrs ago. If it needed a cold, white spread it was Miracle Whip. Once in, damn I can’t remember if it was Antwerp or Copenhagen while in the Navy, a buddy and I stopped at a fries stand and they offered mayo. Best fries and best mayo ever. Now I may be biased because of the food I got daily but I don’t believe so.
Round the bend, crazy as fuck, racist as all fucking get out, drugged out beyond belief. I ride the local LA Metro train a fair bit and often, middle of the day or late at night it seems there are far fewer not stoned than stoned customers. Saturday night i came back from the VA hospital – about 45-50 miles away and I’d bet good money that the volume of passengers was almost asleep and drugged about 75%, high maybe about 10%, and the rest neither. Also the time before on the train, cops came on board and asked to see everyone’s Tap card – which is how you pay, and you can purchase/refill one on the platform. About 1/3 of the people got off the train. I haven’t been checked to see if I actually used/checked in a couple of years and this was the first time actually asked for my card. I use the app, which keeps tab on your checkins. A senior rides for 35 cents for 2 hrs of check in off peak. Very cheap.
@Ruckus: About 1/3 of the people got off the train.
😅😅 Oh, the humanity!
My experience is very different, though it’s probably skewed because I tend to see a lot of kids going to school at CalArtsSGV on my train. I will agree that the ticket police have been missing in action for a long time. Hell, the police in general have been missing for a long time. My impression is they completely disappeared during COVID, reappeared briefly when Villanueva was running for reelection, and have largely disappeared since then.
Thanks, I’ll check it out.
Did anyone yet say sudo make me a sandwich?
Just found their website. Which one(s) did you get?
Sounds about right. I’ve been using metro for some time, we’ve talked about this before, it’s pretty good system, it’s growing and soon I’ll be down to 2 trains to go to the other side of the 405. And in a few years I’ll be able to take one train, one subway and end up literally in front of the VA hospital where I go as the last stop is in the front yard there. No bus, no fuss.
The Apple Pan was a staple of my teen years and I still make a point of going when I’m in LA. It’s all about the Hickory Burger.
It was a packed train, standing room only and 2 minutes later at least 1/3 empty. Likely another after effect of Covid. It didn’t use to be so casual, as in ride and never pay. It’s not very expensive to ride but they’d have a lot of extra money if everyone paid, but this was the first enforcement I’ve seen in 3 yrs.
True love is the greatest thing in the world, except for a nice MLT.
@Steeplejack: The Mittelscharf, Cherry Basalmic, Sesame Garlic and Apple Cider. Insanely full of flavor, I try to pair the flavors with the meal. Salmon had the Basalmic, Mittelscharf any German sausage, etc.
I can’t deal with hot mustards, so didn’t try any of them.
Thanks for the suggestions and for getting back to me.
@Chris T.: Never saw the xkcd before, but I know just barely enough Unix/Linux to figure out the joke. Thanks for the geeklaugh.
Got it bookmarked for the next trip down. Thanks for the reminder!
Nah, if you’re gonna do mayo, it needs to be Duke’s.
Interesting. In New England, they have a hot sub known as the ‘hot oven grinder,’ and I’d always assumed ‘hoagie’ was taking its acronym and turning it back into a word.
@lowtechcyclist: The original term for the sammich was “hoggie” after “Hog Island.” I’m not sure where the vowel shift happened, but that’s the story.