Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

Within six months Twitter will be fully self-driving.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

Bad news for Ron DeSantis is great news for America.

Thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege.

Consistently wrong since 2002

Nothing worth doing is easy.

There are consequences to being an arrogant, sullen prick.

Fuck these fucking interesting times.

Bark louder, little dog.

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

I’m pretty sure there’s only one Jack Smith.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

Only Democrats have agency, apparently.

I know this must be bad for Joe Biden, I just don’t know how.

The worst democrat is better than the best republican.

Tick tock motherfuckers!

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

This really is a full service blog.

… riddled with inexplicable and elementary errors of law and fact

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

He really is that stupid.

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Well, at least we can stop waiting for something to happen any day now in GA.  So much for imminent!

Among other things, it seems like Fani Willis intends to give law enforcement time to prepare.

Speaking of GA, the Jack podcast last night confirmed that they weren’t just trying to steal the presidency; they were trying/hoping/planning to use the stolen data from GA to overturn the two senate wins in GA on Jan 5.

The more we learn, the worse it gets.  Even the most far-fetched of our worst fears about what Trump would try to do in his last days and what they would be willing to do in order to steal the election didn’t even go far enough when compared to the reality of all that they were doing.

Open thread.

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  1. 1.

    Obvious Russian Troll

    I think everyone has had too much schadenfreude. Puts you right to sleep, it does.

  3. 3.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    Summer loving had me a blast
    Summer loving happened so fast
    I met a girl crazy for me
    Met a boy cute as can be

    Summer days drifting away
    To-ah! Oh, the summer nights

  5. 5.

    geg6

    My head is spinning from all this news.  I’m half afraid to turn on the tv or check my phone.  It’s all so insane and I still can’t believe I’m living in this timeline.

  6. 6.

    JoyceH

    it seems like Fani Willis intends to give law enforcement time to prepare.

    Then there’s the deal where she’s asking for the lawyer for ten of the ‘persons of interest’ disqualified. That has to be ruled on, and then the people need to get new counsel. And heck, I suspect once these electors learned from the news that their lawyer hadn’t told them about an immunity offer, at least several of them jumped up and said, “Wait! Is that offer still on the table? I can make it worth your while!”

  7. 7.

    WaterGirl

    Oh yeah, lots happening around this case in GA!   Even though we didn’t get “imminent” indictments, I expect it will be worth the wait.

  8. 8.

    Trivia Man

    “The disappointment I can stand, it’s the hope that is wearing me out.”

    -John Cleese in Clockwise

    After ALL the Watergate peeps slithered away then rose from the ashes stronger than ever, I became cynical. But I still harbor hope. This is very encouraging news.

  10. 10.

    Dangerman

    Ah, Summertime.

    Time to watch Body Heat again.

    I mean, Kathleen Turner … and Ted Danson dancing … and the guilty go to the slammer in the end.

    Tick, tock motherfuckers.

  11. 11.

    Burnspbesq

    Timeline makes sense. Court has to dispose of the pending motions to disqualify before anything else happens.

  12. 12.

    Anonymous At Work

    The disqualification motion for an attorney who (1) didn’t give clients the prosecution’s offer of immunity and (2) is representing multiple clients who can and ARE accusing each other of crimes is a no-brainer.  However, the disqualification MUST have a period of time for the investigated to hire new attorneys and the new attorneys to get up to speed.  I expect that almost all will slap their clients across the face and demand to know why they were such idiots as to ignore an offer of immunity.

    A 2-person Prisoner’s Dilemma is hard enough to maintain.  Once you got over 10 people, you should consider knifing everyone in the back just to be the first to knife everyone remaining to get that plea bargain.

  14. 14.

    Burnspbesq

    Tempted to tune into Faux Noise at 8:00 to see how tonight’s host explains his/her presence. That’s going to require some high-quality tap-dancing around the truth.

  15. 15.

    Anonymous At Work

    @WaterGirl: Got a link about the use of stolen data to overturn the GA senate elections?  I just wonder how they planned to do it.  “Steal the data, leak the data, use the leak to claim fraud, and hope no one notices who stole it”?  That’s an Underpants Gnome plan.

  17. 17.

    japa21

    There are different ways to view “may provoke a significant reaction”. I know I’ll be out there prot3esting if there aren’t any significant indictments, if you know who I mean.

     

    ETA: And I think you do.

  20. 20.

    RaflW

    Since this is an open thread about politics and Republicans attempting to thwart the will of the people, Folks may want to take a moment on an already heavy news day to see what’s going on in Montana.

    Five people were arrested Monday afternoon at the Montana State Capitol during a protest after the Speaker of the House refused again to acknowledge a transgender legislator trying to speak on a bill.

    Rep. Zooey Zephyr, a Missoula Democrat, was first blocked from engaging in debate on the House floor last week after Speaker of the House Matt Regier, R-Kalispell, deemed her comments on a bill to ban gender-affirming care for trans minors as a violation of decorum.

    Zephyr last week said lawmakers who voted for legislation “should be ashamed.” She also told them, “I hope the next time there’s an invocation when you bow your heads in prayer, you see the blood on your hands.” Republicans have advanced several bills affecting trans people this session.

    More at the link above, and for those who can tolerate the musky joint, this indie journalist has excellent coverage.

    There was a very large (by MT standards, certainly!) protest on the steps of the Capitol today. My take is that MT GOP legislators maybe didn’t really learn much about the whole Tennessee kerfuffle, owing as how they’re probably in right wing info bubble land, and are activating Montana young people aplenty.

    The state ain’t gonna swing blue, but this sh*t looks bad on a national stage, at least!

  22. 22.

    RaflW

    Speaking of sh*t looking bad on a national stage, the North Dakota governor just signed a six-week abortion ban with basically NO EXCEPTIONS.

    For context, a recent NBC News poll puts support for abortion bans with no exceptions at six percent. 6% is microscopic levels of support. Tire rims and anthrax* probably gets more than 6% support as a menu item!

    It seems that plains states Republicans are trying like mad to ignore the lesson of the Kansas abortion vote last year. And they also want to – yet again – prove Joe Biden right when he said in his SOTU that Republicans want an outright ban.
     

    *see BJ lexicon for explication if this seems like a random thing to say

  23. 23.

    Anonymous At Work

    @WaterGirl: Understood.  So far, though, Republican political operatives have shown the immense technical skills needed to turn on a computer and connect to the Internet.  So, any plan to relied on manipulating the data to show “outside manipulation” without revealing who stole it…well…I’ll call those bluffs using my nieces’ allowances.

  24. 24.

    sab

    @trollhattan: My Ohio mom never got over saying that, even when she moved us to TX, NC, KY then Florida and back to Ohio.

    Glad she didn’t live to see global warming where NE Ohio really sucks in summer. And I grew up in Florida, without air conditioning.

  25. 25.

    Anonymous At Work

    @SiubhanDuinne: It actually looks good!  Needs some fruit to replace the corn syrup if possible.  As the ancient saying goes, “Revenge is a dish best served as frequently as possible.”

  26. 26.

    Chris Johnson

    @Anonymous At Work: Extreme brazenness is a strategy. I mean, it’s literally Trump’s life strategy, on levels we’ve yet to even confirm.

    I really, really think he has been broke ALL THIS time, propped up by Putin in a very long range plan that also used Jeffery Epstein in efforts to destroy the US, from within. Trump is a madman and a living lie. He’s a husk of a bullshitter of a man, and him playing President is such a joke on history that people will end up calling that what WWIII was. It was waged on Twitter, and for a time, it worked better than bombs.

  29. 29.

    Trivia Man

    @sab: here in Wisconsin I never tire of saying “At least it’s a dry cold”. As Homer J says, “It’s funny cause it’s true”

  30. 30.

    PsiFighter37

    They’re going to indict a lot of people down in Atlanta. Get the popcorn ready.

  31. 31.

    Jackie

    The rumor about Tucker Carlson getting fired is true! His Faux time slot has been renamed to: Fox News Tonight😁

    I think I’ll actually tune in for the first few minutes – while eating popcorn 🍿 and sipping a glass of wine 🍷😊

  32. 32.

    artem1s

    The more we learn, the worse it gets.

    IOW a rush to judgement could very well have meant justice denied.

  33. 33.

    WaterGirl

    @PsiFighter37: I love that it looks like the flash slates of electors are not being ignored.

    I think we need to go after every single prong of their awful plan.

    They are like hydra, with all those heads.

  34. 34.

    Jeffro

    since this is an OT: I am absolutely agonizing over whether or not to get some of the ‘Real Women of Politics’ can coozies from Sarah Huckabee’s website.

    As gag gifts or, well as gag gifts…who WOULDN’T want a Kay Ivey can coozie, to help me cover up the label of my woke beer?

    I think the only thing holding me back is the 99.9% possibility that they’ll keep charging my credit card monthly, just because they’re GOP scum and do that to their own people.

  35. 35.

    smith

    @JoyceH: The news about the contemplated theft and alteration of votes suggests that someone is talking. Fani may still have some significant stones yet to turn over.

  36. 36.

    Pennsylvanian

    @RaflW: Actually, tires and anthrax could conceivably get to the also legendary 27%. They are already eating horse-paste and various other snake oil products pushed by upstart quacks who make experienced quacks look away in embarrassment for them.

  39. 39.

    Jeffro

    (btw I put a link to a Tweet from ‘Jo’ in the downstairs thread – the ad for these ‘Real Women of Politics’ can coozies is just MIND. BENDING.)

  40. 40.

    sab

    Personnally, my feeling is don’t think about indictments until somebody gets indicted. Beofore that it’s just hope amf fairy dust, or late night terrors.

  42. 42.

    RandomMonster

    I know I’m just being impatient, but my heart sank slightly when I went from “prep for indictments” to “this summer”.

  43. 43.

    sab

    My pitbull is frantic. We are here in bed and you are on the internet!.?   How could you? I am so upset at your neglect that I will suck on your quilt and ruin all the feathers in it.

    ETA No, I do not have sexual relations with my pitbull. She is just clingy and likes to hang out too close.

    Pitbulls are very sweet, but they aren’t the most sensible or balanced dog on the dog block. Not labs.

  45. 45.

    jonas

    Is it normal for a DA to announce that they may issue some indictments 3-6 months down the road? I’ve never heard of anything like that before.

  46. 46.

    narya

    @Dangerman: Hard disagree on that one. I thought I sorta liked it, but then I saw “Double Indemnity” and . . . nope. Also thought that “The Big Chill” wasn’t nearly as good as “Return of the Secaucus Seven,” just had a bigger budget and more song rights. Also hated “Grand Canyon.” I don’t think I’ve seen all of his movies, but those three just annoyed me.

  50. 50.

    Bobby Thomson

    I’m not sure why she would want to give law enforcement time to prepare their violent protest.

  51. 51.

    Jeffro

    trumpov has a new anti-DeSantis ad up, and Meatball Ron may as well pack it in.

    I’m serious.  Next, please.  Christie?  Haley?  Who else wants to get their sorry enabling ass kicked by Orangemandias??

  52. 52.

    karen marie

    @Jackie: It just occurred to me – Fox may have “fired” Tucker but given he had a contract, he’s still going to be paid –  something in the neighborhood of $20 million.

  53. 53.

    Jeffro

    Anyway, Imma go grab a cold one and see how the first 10 minutes of Tucker Carlson Fox News Tonight goes…

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

  55. 55.

    Scout211

    Reposted from the dead epic thread: TFG has something to say.

    FTFNYT reports:

    In an intriguing move, former President Donald J. Trump has decided on the venue for his first public comments about Tucker Carlson’s ouster: Newsmax, one of Fox News’s major rivals. Trump will appear on the channel at 9 p.m. for an interview with the Newsmax anchor Greg Kelly.

  58. 58.

    WaterGirl

    @karen marie: I think that’s $20 million A YEAR for the remainder of his contract.

    But I also read that he was in the process of negotiating the renewal of his contract until2029.  So unless they start negotiation more than a year in advance, he won’t get more than $20, and probably less.

  60. 60.

    Ripley

    @Baud:

    “Some of you may die, but that’s a price I’m willing to pay…to own the libs.”

    “Some of you may die, but that’s a price I’m willing to let you pay…to own the libs.”  FTFY

  61. 61.

    JPL

    @Omnes Omnibus: Lots of i’s to dot.

    Now let’s home it occurs later in July since I have company coming mid-month.   It might be time to watch “Deliverance” again.

  63. 63.

    Geminid

    @jonas: It is unusual, but this will be an unusual set of indictments.

    I’m glad Ms. Willis did this. She’s under a lot of pressure from the public and the press, not to mention reported death threats. She also has to run a large office with plenty of other work. I think this will make her path easier.

  64. 64.

    JPL

    @Scout211: So you don’t have to watch, I’ll preview it for you, Tuck loves me and for Fox to fire him, is an affront to me.  the end

  65. 65.

    Jackie

    @Scout211: Hopefully CNN or MSNBC will show clips – I don’t have Newsmax nor OAN – thankfully!

    Morning Joe will be fun tomorrow!

  66. 66.

    sab

    @schrodingers_cat: Good. You would think Ms Harris would care a lot about that.

    I really like the new Democratic tradition where VPs are expected to somewhat agree with the president and also know what is going on.  Truman didn’t know we had nukes. Pence didn’t know what year it was. Bush jr didn’t know Cheney had shot a major contributor in the face., or that he had compromised Joe Wilson the Ambassador to central African countries.

    Harris is not at all tall and not white, but she really knows what is going on and her president trusts her. And I trust him. And I trust her anyway.

  69. 69.

    Kay

    Banning medication abortion is really, really unpopular:

    Roughly two-thirds of Americans, including a majority of Republicans, oppose laws that ban access to medication abortion, in line with the Supreme Court’s move on Friday to maintain the status quo on the drug mifepristone for now. That’s according to the latest PBS NewsHour/NPR/Marist poll, which was conducted while the high court considered whether it would permit restrictions that would have dramatically diminished the availability of the drug.
    Across virtually all demographic groups, people do not support laws that prohibit access to such prescription medications. Even white evangelical Christians, who historically are more likely to support abortion restrictions, were split in this latest poll over whether or not medication abortion should be banned.

    I think people understand in an intuitive way that medication abortions are early abortions (true) and that’s where you pick up even mildy anti choice people.

    Related, I think:

    Two-thirds of Americans polled say Supreme Court justices should serve limited terms. That opinion holds broad consensus across every single demographic – political party, gender, income, education, race and geographic region of the United States.

  71. 71.

    Jeffro

    @Scout211: thanks!

    I was posting in the nearly dead thread below…Kilmeade is one enthusiastic son of a gun, that’s for sure!

    It’s been quite a while since I exposed myself to the direct effects of the Fox puke funnel, but whew: straight from Biden getting whistleblowers fired to Biden being senile to Biden being supported by, well, no one.

    And then that Vivek character who’s running for the GOP nom…he’s quite nuts as well.  Anti-ESG investing, talking about a “climate cult”

    Is projection like, literally all these guys do?  (answer: yes)

  72. 72.

    Jeffro

    also: apparently HUGE numbers of Americans are having their cars bulletproofed these days, in Biden’s Out-Of-Control Murder Massacre Crime Country.

    who knew?

  73. 73.

    schrodingers_cat

    @sab: I already have fountain pens. My own collection and my father’s collection. I didn’t want to buy dip pens that seemed really hard core. Any tips for me?

    I have some calligraphy nibs as well.

    ETA: Did you check out the link to the FC store?

  74. 74.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    George Conway @gtconway3d

    If DA Willis is putting out a red-alert all-hands-on-deck memo to law enforcement like this, you can be reasonably confident the caption on the indictment isn’t going to be “State v. Giuliani et al.” or “State v. Meadows et al.” The lead defendant will probably be someone else.

  76. 76.

    Jinchi

    Even the most far-fetched of our worst fears about what Trump would try to do in his last days and what they would be willing to do in order to steal the election didn’t even go far enough

    Well, let’s not forget that the guy kept looking for things to nuke.

  78. 78.

    smith

    @Kay: Mifepristone is the escape hatch for Republicans and evangelicals who find they need an abortion but can’t be seen going into the clinic. Of course they don’t want it to disappear.

  79. 79.

    Kay

    @smith:

    On the broader question though:

    In this latest poll, 61 percent of Americans say that federal judges should not be allowed to overturn FDA approval of prescription drugs. That is especially true among 75 percent of Democrats, 62 percent of independents and 45 percent of Republicans. Even a slight majority of white evangelical Christians — 51 percent — do not think federal judges should interfere with FDA approval.

  81. 81.

    Jackie

    Brian Kilmeade has the honor of replacing “his great friend,” Tucker tonight. He looked like he was speaking at a funeral. Which made me wonder if he’s worried about HIS job 😂

  82. 82.

    kalakal

    @schrodingers_cat: Not exactly fountain pen inks but a long time ago I used to do a lot of pen and ink drawings using Rotring Isograph technical pens, using Rotring’s own  inks. I loved those pens  but it’s not a process forgiving of mistakes

  83. 83.

    cmorenc

    We’ve never had a major Presidential candidate, let alone one who’s an ex-President to boot, running while under indictment for a felony.  Will this mean the GOP will end up still sticking with Trump, or will this end up giving Puddin’ Boots DeSantis the boost he needs to cause enough MAGAs to defect to wrest the nomination away from Trump?  Which of Trump or DeSantis would likely prove to be the easier or tougher for Biden to run against ?  Trump is sort of stuck with his 2020 turnout being his high potential water-mark – he has vanishingly little potential to grow his base, whereas as well-known and repulsive as DeSantis is to the likes of us BJers, he OTOH has room to grow with less activist folks who don’t follow politics very closely until late summer of election year 2024,  We assume the better folks get to know DeSantis, the less favorably they will view him, but then that’s what we thought about Trump nearly all the way to election day 2016.

  85. 85.

    smith

    @Kay: Good to know that a majority of Americans have their heads screwed on straight vis a vis the need for an independent, scientifically-driven FDA. But, only 45% of Republicans? How sentient do you need to be to see what a Pandora’s box would be opened if judges get to decide what drugs you are allowed to take? It’s a really low bar, but once again the Goobers don’t fail to disappoint.

  87. 87.

    Kay

    Andrew Solender
    @AndrewSolender
    ·Seven Biden-district House Republicans have told
    @Axios
    they’re voting for the GOP’s debt ceiling bill: Lawler, Bacon, Duarte, Garcia, Valadao, Williams & Schweikert.
    DCCC says they “can be certain they’ll be hearing about it” in ’24.

    Walking the plank for…. Kevin McCarthy. Eeew.

  89. 89.

    Ruckus

    @karen marie:

    If they fired him for cause – say a possible him going outside his contract, they may have the ability to fire him and not pay for the remainder. OTOH if rupert wanted him gone 20 million is pocket change and rupert would likely say, Sue me! And rupert might make it very expensive for him to win.

  90. 90.

    jonas

    @Kay: ​
      Polls are one thing. The real question is “Do you care enough about access to medical abortion to crawl over broken glass to vote against any politician who threatens to ban it?” 90% of Americans are in favor of some kind of gun control, too. Nobody gives a shit. It’s who you will crawl over broken glass to punish for their stance on gun control that matters. If Republicans are confident that they’re protected by a large enough buffer of militant anti-choicers + relatively ambivalent people who like tax cuts and pwning libs more than whatever answers they give a pollster about abortion, then we’re not going to see anything change. Some major GOP antichoicers losing an election in an otherwise easy state solely based on their abortion stance might start getting some folks’ attention. Until then, I think they figure they can probably tell women to go fuck themselves and not have much to worry about.

  91. 91.

    Jackie

    @Jackie: And Joe Scarborough has a special tonight and I applaud his lip biting attempt to keep from smirking (not 100% successful) while announcing Tucker’s unemployment news.

  92. 92.

    sab

    @schrodingers_cat: Not yet on the link. You are way ahead of me.

    My older sister is a well-respected art historian, who couldn’t draw her way out of a paper bag. I have always been a much better draftsman. When I draw something it looks like what it is. When she drew something it looked weird and yet there was something extremely interesting in what she drew.

    Jealous as hell, but I cannot deny her talent, or what is the point of talent if everyone else has it.

  93. 93.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Jinchi:

    Even the most far-fetched of our worst fears about what Trump would try to do in his last days and what they would be willing to do in order to steal the election didn’t even go far enough

    Uh, I recall predictions of martial law, SCOTUS overturning the election, and militia rebellions.  Oh, and yeah, nuking American cities in revenge.  As shocking as J6 was, it represented a perfect storm event that still failed, and it was nowhere near the worst scenario.  If it hadn’t been a surprise, it would have gone absolutely nowhere, at that.

    I still haven’t heard an answer to why the Capitol was so lightly defended, because if it had had the usual defense for if a protest was going nearby, we wouldn’t even remember J6.  A crowd would have yelled for awhile and then trudged home.

  95. 95.

    Mallard Filmore

    @kalakal: From a DailyKos posting …

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/4/24/2165690/-DA-Fani-Willis-to-announce-election-fraud-charges-which-may-provoke-a-significant-public-reaction

    From the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

     

    “Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis on Monday said she would announce this summer whether former President Donald Trump and his allies would be charged with crimes related to alleged interference in Georgia’s 2020 election.”

  96. 96.

    sab

    @Baud: That is vpbecause you have more verbal talent than you know what to do with.Mostly waste it on us. Thank you.

  98. 98.

    schrodingers_cat

    @sab: Thanks. I experiment . Not all of my art experiments work. I have figured out layering my water soluble gel crayons with oil pastels gives me some interesting textures.

    It was inspired by a YouTube video.

  101. 101.

    schrodingers_cat

    @kalakal: That sounds super technical and expensive. I don’t buy expensive supplies unless I know what I am doing

    I have some Pitt pens and Sakura Microns for drawing. And a couple of brush pens from Pentel, Tombow and Kuretake.

  105. 105.

    kalakal

    @schrodingers_cat: If I recall correctly the Sakura Pigma Microns are disposable technical pens. The Rotrings are refillable. No idea how they compare for quality. I loved the Rotrings because of the precision, you could draw incredibly thin, precise lines. Then along came CAD software… For my own enjoyment I carried on sketching but haven’t done any for years. I used to do a lot of the work in pencil before reaching for the ink

    Very wise of you to work out what you need before spending serious money.

  107. 107.

    Scout211

    A whole lot of nothing. He doesn’t know anything. Tucker has been good to him. Low energy and he doesn’t know anything. He is surprised. Yawn.

    “I was surprised by it” — Trump on Newsmax about Tucker Carlson’s firing pic.twitter.com/kOa3O4KwLd— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) April 25, 2023

  110. 110.

    Suzanne

    @kalakal: I have Koh-i-noor rapidograph pens in different sizes. Refillable, but a giant pain to keep clean. So glad everything we do at the office is in Revit!

  111. 111.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Trivia Man:

    After ALL the Watergate peeps slithered away then rose from the ashes stronger than ever, I became cynical.

    Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!

    Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Mitchell, Magruder, Stans, Mardian, Howard Hunt?  How were they stronger than ever afterwards? Did any of them come close to the levers of power ever again? And hell, even scumbags like Liddy and Colson who made new scumbag lives after prison, that was AFTER PRISON.  People ought to be able to start new lives, even new scumbag lives, after being locked up for an appropriate time to pay for their crime.

  112. 112.

    Jackie

    @Layer8Problem: Scarborough and Michael Steele discussed the possibility of Tucker moving to Newsmax. THAT would be a problem for Faux – unless Tucker has a contract with Faux preventing him from jumping one ship to another for “X” amount of time. It was pointed out that every time Faux fired a *star commentator,* Faux has prevailed and the *star* became irrelevant ie; Bill O’Reilly, Glen Beck, Meghan “What’s her name”…

  114. 114.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: Last Summer I served on a jury for a civil trial for a lawsuit that was filed seven years ago!!  I think a lot of people really don’t understand how slow our justice system moves, especially with Covid mucking up the works for about 18 months.

  117. 117.

    lowtechcyclist

    @narya:

    Also thought that “The Big Chill” wasn’t nearly as good as “Return of the Secaucus Seven,” just had a bigger budget and more song rights.

    I’m pretty sure I didn’t see Secaucus 7 until after seeing The Big Chill, but there were so many things wrong with ‘Chill’ that I hardly know where to start; walked out of that movie theater disgusted with having wasted both my time and the ticket price on that piece of crap.  (Just to start off with, the only remotely likable characters were the airhead and the druggie.  And the word ‘remotely’ applies.)

    Secaucus 7, OTOH, was a genuinely enjoyable flick.

  118. 118.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Baud:

    “Some of you may die, but that’s a price I’m willing to pay…to own the libs.”

    Well, they’re already into seeing people slaughtered with guns to own the libs, so what’s a few ectopic pregnancies?

    They’re the freakin’ Party of Death.  And they luuuurve those unborn babies, but once they’re born, let’s put them to work in factories.  Keep them safe from learning about discrimination, but not safe from guns or industrial machinery.  Do they even hear themselves talk?

  120. 120.

    RaflW

    @JoyceH: In theory “Abortion is permitted without gestational limits if terminating a pregnancy can ‘prevent the death or a serious health risk’ of the mother.”

    But the reality is that, like Texas and a number of other states that have imposed a lot of restrictions, will N.D. hospitals and clinicians feel like they can offer these procedures without the facility or the practitioners being investigated or wrongly charged?

  121. 121.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    I still haven’t heard an answer to why the Capitol was so lightly defended, because if it had had the usual defense for if a protest was going nearby, we wouldn’t even remember J6.  A crowd would have yelled for awhile and then trudged home.

    The usual answer seems to be “because Trump,” but that’s not sufficient.  There were a few layers in between; people had to be talked into making decisions against their usual grain.

    So yeah, I still want the details of who made what decisions in those layers, and who ordered them to do what.

  123. 123.

    sdhays

    @Jeffro: If that’s true, and I’m not  assuming it is, I wonder if red states tripping over each other to arm everyone without restrictions has anything to do with that.

    Seriously, the Republican Party is the party of arming criminals.

  125. 125.

    kalakal

    @Suzanne: Oh yeah, keeping them clean, what a drag. The Rapidographs were nice as I recall, I went with the Isographs as I got a better deal on them but I don’t think there was much in it on quality.

    Autodesk do make some great software.

  126. 126.

    Jeffro

    @sdhays: I didn’t stick around for the whole segment, but I’m assuming that We Armor Cars Co. has had a 300% spike in business (3 people want their gas guzzlers armored up last month, instead of the usual 1) and so we must HEAR. ABOUT. IT. from the Fox Outrage Channel.

    That’s literally all they do: cherry-pick the world for shit that will keep their base hopped up on fear, lather, rinse, repeat.

  131. 131.

    Hob

    Did the commenter here who was calling Willis useless/incompetent/etc., last week, ever say more about what their problem was with her? I couldn’t tell if it was just a general “if Willis was any good, Trump would’ve been indicted already” thing or what.

  132. 132.

    sdhays

    @Jeffro: Yeah, that’s what I figured. But, like  I said, IF people are so worried about getting shot…maybe it’s the guns?

    Crazy, right?

  133. 133.

    Trivia Man

    @lowtechcyclist: Mea culpa – I was lazy and used “Watergate” as shorthand for the Nixon cancer in general that was allowed to fester. Had he been disgraced and impeached it is my belief that it would have been harder for Reagan, Bush, and Bush the Lesser to accelerate our slide into Trump.

    Roger Stone is who I was mainly thinking about, he was involved with CRP , later his work in the Brooks Brothers riot, his time with Manafort, and now his work paid off with Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Barret on the SCOTUS.

    I may be mistaken but my view is that a FULLY disgraced Nixon makes it harder for the later slide into today’s troubles. Ford might have held on and then no Reagan – or any number of alternate histories.

    Perhaps it would be more accurate to lay it on the failure to prosecute Iran Contra, likely made possible by the precedent set by Watergate letting the biggest fish swim free. That lack of punishment gave us Baker, Cheney, Rice Powell, Rumsfeld et al.

    As a deeper rabbit hole, Prescott Bush was key to getting Nixon into power. Had RMN been properly punished perhaps his family would not have had their later success.

    I apologize for the lazy rant.

  134. 134.

    Nelle

    @Suzanne: We recently received my MIL’S drafting set from her architecture days (MIT, class of 38? 39?, she was in the same class as IMPei).  Don’t know what kind of pens; we passed it on to our daughter.

  137. 137.

    JaySinWA

    @Jackie: I doubt either could afford Tucker, even without the baggage of Dominion and SmartMatic

    My guess is Tucker tries Vbloging, podcasting or substacking subscriptions for a while

    ETA I’m not sure NEWSMAX and OAN are smart enough to back down on the election fraud claims

    In fact Tucker may have wanted to continue the fight. That and his own insurrection attempt against the FOX CEO may be what brought him down.

  138. 138.

    frosty

    @schrodingers_cat: ​Those pencils look fantastic! I had no idea there were water-color pencils that could be worked and blended when wet. My colored pencil experience starts and ends with Col-erase.
    Have fun with them!​

  140. 140.

    frosty

    @kalakal: ​You just reminded me that I did a few of those too back in my college years. Architectural renderings. Louis Sullivan’s Guaranty Building with a Rapidograph 00. I still have it somewhere.​

  141. 141.

    frosty

    @Suzanne: ​When I retired in 2020 I cleaned out my desk and posted some engineering history on my cubicle wall:

    35mm slides – Powerpoint ca. 1985
    Slide rule – Calculator, ca. 1969
    Rapidographs – CADD, ca. 1975

    Just to show the yoots what they’d been missing.

  144. 144.

    Sure Lurkalot

    @Suzanne: I loved rapidographs! I took most of my college notes with them (in the 70’s) and as a lefty, very understandable. But yes, it was difficult to keep them running. My spouse did incredible architectural illustrations with the medium and some stipple work.

  145. 145.

    Manyakitty

    @frosty: I used a rapidograph for senior art class in high school. Enjoyed the heck out of it, stuck it in a drawer, and now who knows?

  146. 146.

    Mallard Filmore

    @frosty: 

    I finally feel like commenting and I’m talking to myself! ‘night all, off to read a book.​

    I’ve had a few threads where I have to go “Tap, tap, tap. Is this thing on?”

  147. 147.

    Burnspbesq

    @karen marie:

    It just occurred to me – Fox may have “fired” Tucker but given he had a contract, he’s still going to be paid –  something in the neighborhood of $20 million.

    He might have to litigate to get the whole thing. Fox will undoubtedly take the position that he was terminated for cause.

  148. 148.

    JaySinWA

    @Burnspbesq:  You’re fired – just ’cause. There will be blood litigation.

    My guess is maybe but far too often the golden parachutes are puncture proof gentelmen’s agreements. OTOH if Tucker bad mouths FOX, who knows what NDA they have Tucked away.

  149. 149.

    Princess

    @smith: I’m fact, she announced that that is exactly the reason why it is taking so long. Evidently a rush of people of interest decided they’d better volunteer to give testimony. I need a big-eyed, trough of popcorn emoji.

  150. 150.

    RaflW

    @prostratedragon: Arkansas ranks 46th in household income by state. And has a poverty rate 5% higher than the national average.

    But their governor sure does own them libs! Amazing.

  154. 154.

    Major Major Major Major

    My favorite thing about the Tucker news is probably the Greenwald thread I saw waxing rhapsodic about how he’s a brave man who stood against empire and that’s surely why he was fired

  155. 155.

    Roberto el oso

    @schrodingers_cat: my sister was an artist and was very into drawing with ink pens (either cartridge pens or direct from an old-fashioned inkwell). If she felt she was out of practice she would often do the initial drawing in very faint pencil, then go over that with the ink. She said that it helped to get used to the amount of pressure she needed to apply as the first application of ink needed to be lighter than further along a line, etc.

    Sorry if this is all stuff you already know but I always found the learning-by-mistakes approach really fascinating. As she was fond of saying: 15 minutes of spontaneity comes at the end of hours of rehearsal and practice.

  156. 156.

    piratedan

    circling back to the thread topic…. just trying to grasp who could end up indicted……

    1. DJT for his perfect phone call
    2. the person who proposed the “alternate” slate of electors
    3. the faux electors themselves
    4. WH staffers that facilitated and knew what was being discussed
    5. anyone that refused to report the crime that had just taken place?
    6. any sitting Senaators involved? (Se, Fainting Couch from SC comes to mind)
    7. any of the Congressional congregation who helped bring pressure to bear?
    8. any state of GA officials who helped aide and abet?
    9. any legal beagles that encouraged this coercion

    you kind of get the idea that there’s more than one name in the hopper here……

  158. 158.

    Aussie Sheila

    @Baud:

    The terrible thing is it will take an awful, unnecessary death for the politics of forced birth to finally be the anathema it should be. Why must women always have to die in order to establish their rights and dignity.

    The USSC is a menace. It is like no High Court in the common law world. I can’t believe the deference it has received from otherwise sensible liberals.

    I am clinging to the hope that Biden wins big in 2024 with coattails that will ensure the passage of a new VRA including anti gerrymandering provisions.

    Then US citizens can return to legislating, and leave litigating to its proper sphere.

  160. 160.

    evodevo

    @smith: Anti-vaxxers and the lovers of “natural” and homeopathic remedies will be overjoyed…sane people, not so much.  Anyone who disagrees should be forced to watch a historical documentary on the origins of the FDA at the beginning of the 20th century…

  161. 161.

    WaterGirl

    @smith: I was thinking something similar.  Maybe it doesn’t “count” as an abortion if it’s you and you don’t have to go to the doctor.  If even your husband and family don’t have to know.

    Just a miscarriage, nothing to see here.

  167. 167.

    linnen

    Trivia Man @133;

    Maybe Reagan or may be not, the rat-fucking groups (and the Young Republican college pipeline) were too useful to Republicans for them to abandon.  There still would have been some form of an October Surprise, likely with a situation in Iran. (I do think that Reagan would still be the front man in any candidacy.)  Any similar hearings to Iran-Contra could equally be helped or harmed depending on the media. A likely second order effect would be that the Democratic apparatus would have still formed some sort of DLC to pursue the lost “Reagan” Democrats and other crypto-Dixiecrats.  Frank Lutz and an equivalent of Gingrich would still enact some form of their Contract on America and dog-pile any Democratic President.  (Teddy Kennedy might have been in a a better position to knee-cap anybody not Teddy Kennedy.)

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